Gilberto:
Ok, I believe you. But then when you are in your Bahai paradigm, and
read that the Buddha is identified with being a Manifestation, but the
teachings of real live Buddhists in the world don't seem to be
consistent with the Bahai teachings, I'm not sure what you do. Do you
bracket
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:18:57 -0800, Patti Goebel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto:
Ok, I believe you. But then when you are in your Bahai paradigm, and
read that the Buddha is identified with being a Manifestation, but the
teachings of real live Buddhists in the world don't seem to be
If that's the case, why would God have let the message get distorted
in this way?
Dear Gilberto,
You believe the same thing has happened to Christianity and Judaism, don't
you?
warmest, Susan
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On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:59:25 -0600, Susan Maneck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If that's the case, why would God have let the message [of Buddhism] get
distorted
in this way?
Dear Gilberto,
You believe the same thing has happened to Christianity and Judaism, don't
you?
I was asking from
But in the Kitab I-Iqan is the section which has often been quoted to me:
How could God, when once the Day-star of the beauty of Jesus had
disappeared from the sight of His people, and ascended unto the fourth
heaven, cause His holy Book, His most great testimony amongst His
creatures, to
I am personally open to the
idea that Buddha may have been a prophet, But I wouldn't insist on it
the way that the Bahais do.
Dear Gilberto,
We believe it because Abdu'l-Baha said so.
So don't have any reason to believe that
the current Buddhist scriptures are distorted.
Buddha appeared in
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:50:20 -0800, Patti Goebel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But in the Kitab I-Iqan is the section which has often been quoted to me:
How could God, when once the Day-star of the beauty of Jesus had
disappeared from the sight of His people, and ascended unto the fourth
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:29:38 -0600, Susan Maneck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am personally open to the
idea that Buddha may have been a prophet, But I wouldn't insist on it
the way that the Bahais do.
Dear Gilberto,
We believe it because Abdu'l-Baha said so.
Fair enough.
So don't
Well, Jesus didn't write any of the New Testament himself either.
No, but at least the NT material was written within a generation of His
passing. Here we are talking about two centuries later.
What would be left to [Buddhists] to cling to from the setting of the
day-star of [Sidhartha Gautama]
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:09:44 -0500 (EST), Iskandar Hai, M.D.
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On Sun, 30 Jan 2005, Gilberto Simpson wrote:
And it just begs the question:
What would be left to [Buddhists] to cling to from the setting of the
day-star of [Sidhartha Gautama] until the rise of the
Gilberto:
Ok, I believe you. But then when you are in your Bahai paradigm, and
read that the Buddha is identified with being a Manifestation, but the
teachings of real live Buddhists in the world don't seem to be
consistent with the Bahai teachings, I'm not sure what you do. Do you
bracket the
Mark, are you refering to this meaing of historicism? Most recently,
Historicism has been used by post-modernist thinkers to describe the view
that there is no absolute truth about deep philosophical questions that
should stand for all time.
I just realized that the definition you provided for
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In a message dated 1/23/2005 2:25:12 AM Central Standard Time,
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Gilberto:
It seems like the Bahai faith
divides humanity up in different periods or dispensations. And during
a given period,
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Islam isn't just an Arab religion. Even before the time of the Bab,
Islam spread to Persia, crossed the Sahara and went into
In a message dated 1/23/2005 1:59:19 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Gilberto:That is factually incorrect. By alot."My people are hydroponic"
I'll grant you Indonesia for sure.
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Gilberto:
That is factually incorrect. By alot.
My people are hydroponic
I'll grant you Indonesia for
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Gilberto,
I wrote:
All the perennialisms I have observed are deductive systems. They begin
with certain first principles and read them into various religious and
spiritual systems. That is what I meant by triumphalist.
You replied:
That seems really odd to me. I would tend to think of
All the perennialisms I have observed are deductive systems. They begin with certain first principles and read them into various religious and spiritual systems. That is what I meant by triumphalist.You replied:That seems really odd to me. I would tend to think of triumphalism more as an attitude
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:25:30 -0600, Mark A. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto,
I wrote:
All the perennialisms I have observed are deductive systems. They begin
with certain first principles and read them into various religious and
spiritual systems. That is what I meant by
Mark: In arguing for equality, all perennialists whose works I have read have imposed a certain "essence" on the different religions or spiritualities.
JS: Mark, I love the clarity of your writing, and the distinction you makebetween perennialism and Baha'i Progressive Revelation, and how the
Mark, I love the clarity of your writing, and the distinction you make
between perennialism and Baha'i Progressive Revelation, and how the former
and not the latter, is triumphalistic.
Thank you. I don't personally think that progressive Revelation is
triumphalistic. However, it can be, and
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:02:18 -0800 (PST), JS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mark: In arguing for equality, all perennialists whose works I have read
have
imposed a certain essence on the different religions or
spiritualities.
Then if anything their sin would be in overgeneralizing or in not
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:03:15 -0600, Mark A. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto,
At 02:52 PM 1/22/2005, you wrote:
Then if anything their sin would be in overgeneralizing or in not seeing
the particularities and differences of various religions but that is still
very different from
Hi, Gilberto,
At 03:24 PM 1/22/2005, you wrote:
Here's what I'm not sure you are seeing.
I understand your point about historical or longitudinal particularism versus
cultural particularism. However, neither perspective has much to do with why I
am calling the perennialisms I have studied
MARK:One of the best antidotes for triumphalism is historicism which is opposed by most perennialists whose works I have read.JS:
Mark,are you refering to this meaing of historicism? "Most recently, Historicism has been used by post-modernist thinkers to describe the view that there is no
Gilberto,
At 05:21 PM 1/22/2005, you wrote:
In fact, in the case of perennialism one is explicitly asserting equality.
One can only assert equality if one has a basis for doing so (like equality
before the law).
Regards, Mark A. Foster http://markfoster.net [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sacred cows
G:
At the worst, what perennialists might be doing is romanticizing thepast. Talking about the noble savage and all that. But from theperspective of "progressive revelation" the past is being demonizedand those people of the past are considered savages, withoutbothering to consider them
Are you also saying that Baha'i Progressive Revelation is essentially
historicist?
Historicism has different definitions. I am using the term as it was defined in
the history courses I took in graduate school. (My Ph.D. minor was history.)
For instance:
the view that concepts, beliefs,
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:25:08 -0600, Mark A. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi, Gilberto,
At 03:24 PM 1/22/2005, you wrote:
Mark:
I understand your point about historical or longitudinal particularism versus
cultural particularism. However, neither perspective has much to do with why
I
In a message dated 1/22/2005 8:49:14 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Gilberot:But unless you have a time machine,that justification doesn't do you any good.PeaceGilberto
Its the only way to look at it. The past is studiable because it is the past. Once can barely keep up
In a message dated 12/26/2004 9:40:52 A.M. Central Standard Time,
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That
message was, of course, written almost 4 1/2 years ago. At that time, I would
have agreed with Terry. (In fact, we discussed it.) I don't know what his
views are now.
I'm wondering about
In a message dated 12/26/2004 9:40:52 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That
message was, of course, written almost 4 1/2 years ago. At that time, I would
have agreed with Terry. (In fact, we discussed it.) I don't know what his
views are now.
Dear Mark,
As I
Gilberto,
At 07:11 PM 1/21/2005, you wrote:
Which research?
Here is some of it:
http://www.salsabil.org/papers/maryami.htm
Regards, Mark A. Foster http://markfoster.net [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sacred cows make the tastiest hamburger. Abbie Hoffman
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:29:15 -0600, Mark A. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Susan,
At 07:03 PM 1/21/2005, you wrote:
I suspect if he were acquianted with Vahid Brown's research on this
question he would change his mind.
Yes, all versions of perennialism I am familiar with (Huxley's,
Do you think the triumphalism is an intrinsic consequence of any
particular ideology or is it just an attitude which may or may not be
present in a person.
I think there are some ideologies which feed that attitude.
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Gilberto,
At 09:19 PM 1/21/2005, you wrote:
Do you think the triumphalism is an intrinsic consequence of any particular
ideology or is it just an attitude which may or may not be present in a
person.
All the perennialisms I have observed are deductive systems. They begin with
certain first
Which research?
Dear Gilberto,
Vahid's done some interesting stuff on the background of perennial thought
which I think we have discussed before. However, Mark Sedgwick someone beat
him to the punch as far getting this something published:
http://www.aucegypt.edu/faculty/sedgwick/trad/book.htm
Hi, Gilberto,
At 09:51 AM 12/25/2004, you wrote:
The question is in the subject line. Wouldn't the passage below endorse the
idea that there are some perennial commandments, and guidelines to human
behavior across the manifestations? And the important thing is to follow that
spiritual core.
On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 10:50:19 -0600, Mark A. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi, Gilberto,
At 09:51 AM 12/25/2004, you wrote:
The question is in the subject line. Wouldn't the passage below endorse the
idea that there are some perennial commandments, and guidelines to human
behavior across
Gilberto,
I wrote:
The difference between the philosophia perennis and my understanding of the
Baha'i view is not necessarily seen the result, but in the cause.
You replied:
I'm not sure I follow?
In other words, there are eternal teachings, but the explanations given for it
in the Baha'i
On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 18:28:53 -0600, Mark A. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto,
I wrote:
The difference between the philosophia perennis and my understanding of
the Baha'i view is not necessarily seen the result, but in the cause.
You replied:
I'm not sure I follow?
In other
Hi, Gilberto,
At 08:24 PM 12/25/2004, you wrote:
Ok, maybe I'm just totally wrong but I have the impression that you are
saddling them with unnecessary baggage. I mean, I would tend to be rather
mellow about the term perennialism be more inclusive in how I use it.
Well, perennialism is only a
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