Re: Virtualization software on Linux

2007-09-20 Thread Amit Aronovitch
On 9/18/07, Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amit Aronovitch wrote: Note that (some? most new ones?) of these laptops come with Home versions of windows Vista on a recovery partition. This is bundled (cannot be bought without), and cannot be upgraded to a different license.

Re: Virtualization software on Linux

2007-09-20 Thread Erez D
just fyi not all core-2 due processors have a vt extension i have a hp pavilion dv2xxx it has core-2 due processor (T5300), support 64 bit but doesn't have a vt extension ... erez.

Re: Virtualization software on Linux

2007-09-20 Thread Ilya Konstantinov
On 9/18/07, Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can para-virtualize 3d acceleration but at this time this is more academic then useful, so yes, turning off the 3D (or any visual effects for that matter) produces a great performance boost. 3D virtualization is already available in

Re: Virtualization software on Linux

2007-09-20 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
Ilya Konstantinov wrote: On 9/18/07, *Gilad Ben-Yossef* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can para-virtualize 3d acceleration but at this time this is more academic then useful, so yes, turning off the 3D (or any visual effects for that matter) produces a great

Re: Virtualization software on Linux

2007-09-18 Thread Amit Aronovitch
Note that (some? most new ones?) of these laptops come with Home versions of windows Vista on a recovery partition. This is bundled (cannot be bought without), and cannot be upgraded to a different license. By EULA, *you are not allowed* to use this (or any other Home) version with virtualization

Re: Virtualization software on Linux

2007-09-18 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
Amit Aronovitch wrote: Note that (some? most new ones?) of these laptops come with Home versions of windows Vista on a recovery partition. This is bundled (cannot be bought without), and cannot be upgraded to a different license. By EULA, *you are not allowed* to use this (or any other Home)

Re: Virtualization software on Linux

2007-09-18 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 08/07/2007, Eran Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, I haven't been active lately on the mailing list but I am watching it. I have a question regarding virtualization software on Linux. I plan on getting a new laptop. Unfortunately I still need access to Windows for some

Re: Virtualization software on Linux

2007-07-11 Thread Alex Behar
Hey guys, linux-vserver is a pretty sweet implementation, as it introduces virtually no latency since the vserver runs in a hacked up version of chroot(). There are however some limitations with that approach. Security-wise, it gives the attackers access to (almost) the whole range of

Re: Virtualization software on Linux

2007-07-11 Thread Ravid Baruch Naali
Hi, I'm running Xen using Intel's Conroe which is an alias for the dual core CPU with VT enabled, on my PC I don't know if there is any laptop with it and how expensive is it. I'm using openSUSE 10.2 as my distro which has an O.K. user interface for the installation and a good documentation.

Re: Virtualization software on Linux

2007-07-11 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
Eran Sandler wrote: I prefer Linux but if the performance is worse than what I will get with comparable hardware on Mac + Parallels I'll go with a Mac. Get a laptop with CoreDuo CPU with Intel VT-x and run Linux + kvm. XP/200 or Vista run fine (enough memory provided). Gilad

Re: Virtualization software on Linux

2007-07-11 Thread Eran Sandler
Thanks for the info. The one thing I'm worried about is Visual Studio 2005 which is quite heavy. If that will work well on a KVMed environment that would be more than fine for me :-) On 7/11/07, Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eran Sandler wrote: I prefer Linux but if the

Re: Virtualization software on Linux

2007-07-10 Thread Ghiora Drori
Hi, I have KVM working on an AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ Runs Windows XP Ubuntu and Gentoo as Guests. As long as I do not go to a kernel above 2.6.16 in the Linux guests. Getting the networking to work with a bridge was kind of tricky but now its OK. Performance is very good

Re: Virtualization software on Linux

2007-07-10 Thread Alex Behar
: Hetz Ben Hamo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 3:27 PM To: Eran Sandler Cc: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Virtualization software on Linux Hi, I didn't understand, you're planning to buy a Mac book or Mac book pro? or Dell/Lenovo/HP/Acer/Asus etc.. laptop

Re: Virtualization software on Linux

2007-07-09 Thread Dan Kenigsberg
On Mon, Jul 09, 2007 at 08:40:08AM +0300, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: On Mon, Jul 09, 2007 at 08:15:14AM +0300, Eran Sandler wrote: Qemu Qemu is much to slow for running Windows under Linux. It's a great product if you need a vitrual X86 processor, for example, I did some software

Re: Virtualization software on Linux

2007-07-09 Thread Amos Shapira
On 09/07/07, Dan Kenigsberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: occasional VisualDev. I guess that with modern systems which have the vt cpu extension, kvm+qemu would be a free, open, and competitive choice. That's what my hunch also tells me (based on not much of personal experience but generally

Re: Virtualization software on Linux

2007-07-09 Thread Chaim Keren Tzion
I ran WindowsXP/Centos/Solaris etc. in VMWare for a long time on an amd64 host. It worked fine with the exception of USB device support (scanner, camera etc). It did have a lot of resource overhead though. I kept a dual boot windows partition around for certain hardware that didn't work well

Re: Virtualization software on Linux

2007-07-09 Thread Baruch Even
* Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070709 11:13]: On 09/07/07, Dan Kenigsberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: occasional VisualDev. I guess that with modern systems which have the vt cpu extension, kvm+qemu would be a free, open, and competitive choice. That's what my hunch also tells me (based

Re: Virtualization software on Linux

2007-07-09 Thread Baruch Even
* Chaim Keren Tzion [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070709 11:36]: On Monday 09 July 2007 08:32:03 Amos Shapira wrote: To give context for my question - I've just bought a Dell desktop based on Intel Core 2 Duo and installed Debian Etch (amd64) on it, A bit off topic but why try to install amd64 on an

Re: Virtualization software on Linux

2007-07-09 Thread Amos Shapira
On 09/07/07, Chaim Keren Tzion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are going to do other, linux, virtualization, I would like to recommend vserver. I have a P4 dev machine with 1GB RAM and I run 7 virtual machines on it simultaneously, 24/7. It runs a debian host and debian and centos clients. (On

Re: Virtualization software on Linux

2007-07-09 Thread Amos Shapira
On 09/07/07, Baruch Even [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want nice guis and the like VMware is probably the way. If you are willing to run a script then it should be as easy as: sudo apt-get install kvm module-assistant kvm-source qemu sudo m-a auto-install kvm qemu-img -f qcow2 disk.img 10G

Re: Virtualization software on Linux

2007-07-09 Thread Baruch Even
* Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070709 11:56]: On 09/07/07, Baruch Even [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want nice guis and the like VMware is probably the way. If you are willing to run a script then it should be as easy as: sudo apt-get install kvm module-assistant kvm-source qemu sudo

Virtualization software on Linux

2007-07-08 Thread Eran Sandler
Hello all, I haven't been active lately on the mailing list but I am watching it. I have a question regarding virtualization software on Linux. I plan on getting a new laptop. Unfortunately I still need access to Windows for some development purposes and I need to know the performance

Re: Virtualization software on Linux

2007-07-08 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
of your new processor. Thanks, Hetz On 7/8/07, Eran Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, I haven't been active lately on the mailing list but I am watching it. I have a question regarding virtualization software on Linux. I plan on getting a new laptop. Unfortunately I still need

RE: Virtualization software on Linux

2007-07-08 Thread Eran Sandler
; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Virtualization software on Linux Hi, I didn't understand, you're planning to buy a Mac book or Mac book pro? or Dell/Lenovo/HP/Acer/Asus etc.. laptop? Parallels or VMWare Fusion (both for Mac) use the virtualized extensions of the processor (if I recall correctly, all

Re: Virtualization software on Linux

2007-07-08 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Eran Sandler wrote: 1) Thinkpad T61 running Ubuntu and VmWare 5 with XP + Visual Studio 2005 + MSSQL + IIS 2) Macbook Pro (similar specs to the T61) running MacOSX + Parallels and a virtual machine with the same configuration. I prefer Linux but if the performance is worse than what I will

Re: Virtualization software on Linux

2007-07-08 Thread Eran Sandler
T61 with 1440x960 resolution with an nVidia card and 2gigs of RAM costs about the same as the 2.2Ghz MBP, so price wise that's not the issue here. I wish there was some specific measurement that was done on a MBP running Linux + VmWare (with bootcamp) as opposed to Parallels on MacOS X. :-) On

Re: [Haifux] Re: Virtualization software on Linux

2007-07-08 Thread Eran Sandler
Thanks for the info. I'll take that into consideration as well. But my primary goal is to have a Windows free Host and hopefully keep Windows only as a Guest OS with (hopefully) good enough performance. Eran On 7/8/07, Bilbo Bugginz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/8/07, Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL

Re: Virtualization software on Linux

2007-07-08 Thread Amos Shapira
On 08/07/07, Eran Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course I would rather have a laptop running Ubuntu or some other Linux variant and have a virtualization software such as VmWare (or something else that is really fast) running instead of using Mac, but I would do anything in my power to

Re: Virtualization software on Linux

2007-07-08 Thread Eran Sandler
Amos, there are a couple of other contenders that are similar to VmWare. Parallels also has a Linux version. VirtualBox - which was even GPLed a while back Qemu I haven't tested VirtualBox yet but Parallels and VmWare are the ones with the best performance (at least that I know of). Eran On

Re: Virtualization software on Linux

2007-07-08 Thread Amos Shapira
On 09/07/07, Eran Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amos, there are a couple of other contenders that are similar to VmWare. Parallels also has a Linux version. VirtualBox - which was even GPLed a while back Qemu I haven't tested VirtualBox yet but Parallels and VmWare are the ones with the

Re: Virtualization software on Linux

2007-07-08 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
On Mon, Jul 09, 2007 at 08:15:14AM +0300, Eran Sandler wrote: Qemu Qemu is much to slow for running Windows under Linux. It's a great product if you need a vitrual X86 processor, for example, I did some software development for a handheld device using it. It also runs DOS programs quite well if