"specific evidence please. Not rhetoric like "selling out job creation for
votes from the green movement."

Aside from common sense, what do you need?  You think they made a document
and posted it on the net?  Is there a recording somewhere?  Please.
 Sometimes, one has to connect the dots.  However, if you do a google
search for "Obama pipeline Green movement", you can find plenty of stuff
about this (particularly on the Hill website).  I will give you this tidbit
from one of the articles.  Take it however you want:

Sierra Club Executive Director Michael Brune recently said that approval of
the pipeline would hurt the group’s ability to mobilize members on Obama’s
behalf.

He also warned that it would have a “big impact” on his group’s allocation
of campaign resources between congressional races and the White House
contest.




"So Jerry the next time a Republican politician makes a deal that a portion
of the republican electorate supports, are you going to call that corrupt?"

Sure.  I despise them all, regardless of party.  As I have stated many
times.  Republicans suck.   They just suck less than Democrats.  While I am
a registered Republican, I follow Friedman's philosophy.

I am a Republican with a capital 'R,' and a libertarian with a small 'l.' I
have a party membership as a Republican, not because they have any
principles. But because that's the way I am the most useful and have the
most influence. My philosophy is clearly libertarian. - Milton Friedman



"Next you say you have not done the research. Its arguing from ignorance
rather from knowledge. If you have not done the research why the hell
should your comments have any validity. "

I sure did say I have not researched the accusations and I said I had no
problem *believing* the accusations.  As to my comments, the only validity
they have are the the same validity that *anyone* posting on some random
internet group has:  none.


"For that matter why should anyone even respect those opinions if they are
based on self-admitted ignorance"

They shouldn't.  And they should not respect the opinons of the so called
"knowledgeable" without verification, especially sense so many of the
"knowledgeable" are ignorant, even with the facts.


"Moreover just because someone from the political opposition has done
something similar in your perception (again opinion not fact so far), that
does not mean that a false equivalence is a legitimate argument."

But is sure does bring the hypocrisy of other posters out, which is very
enjoyable.


J

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I bring reason to your ears, and, in language as plain as ABC, hold up
truth to your eyes. - Thomas Paine

If he makes the right decision young people will be there to support him
moving a public agenda forward and creating a clean energy economy - Maura
Cowley, co-director of the youth-focused Energy Action Coalition, on the
Keystone Pipel

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