have you actually read his book, or anything about him? This really sounds
like the Fox News version of his life. Or does saying that make me a
progressive statist too? I really want to know if you'll apply the term to
someone who left Canada because they didn't like the nanny state :)

On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Jerry Barnes <critic...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> "Because it damn well treats people better than the botched abortion on
> toast
> that is the current system."
>
> I don't want myths.  I want NUMBERS.
>
>
> "Again if you cannot show any demonstrable evidence then you're just
> blowing
> it out your butt."
>
> Fine.  I am blowing it out my butt.  Just like that myth about "treats
> people better".
>
>
>
> "So then what is different than what Alinsky suggested for people to
> collectively
> get the same amount of impact as someone with an income of 20 million plus
> a year. What is wrong about that? Or do you think that we ought to be ruled
> by the rich?"
>
> We ARE ruled by the rich.
>
> And it's not so much Alinsky's goal as his tactics and ethics.
>
>
>
> "I do not know you. I do not care to. So frankly it is not your business
> one way or another."
>
> Fair enough.  If I could though, I'd buy you a beer (if you drink beer, but
> you're probably the wine type).  Seems like you need one.
>
>
> Anyway, I'll share a personal issue I have:  I was told that if Obama wins
> this year, it will be my fault.  Is that not a huge cross to bear?
>
> J
>
> -
>
> When a new generation arises and the democracy falls into the hands of the
> grandchildren of its founders, they have become so accustomed to freedom
> and equality that they no longer value them, and begin to aim at
> pre-eminence; and it is chiefly those of ample fortune who fall into this
> error. So when they begin to lust for power and cannot attain it through
> themselves or their own good qualities, they ruin their estates, tempting
> and corrupting the people in every possible way. And hence when by their
> foolish thirst for reputation they have created among the masses an
> appetite for gifts and the habit of receiving them, democracy in its turn
> is abolished and changes into a rule of force and violence. For the people,
> having grown accustomed to feed at the expense of others and to depend for
> their livelihood on the property of others, as soon as they find a leader
> who is enterprising but is excluded from the houses of office by his
> penury, institute the rule of violence; and now uniting their forces
> massacre, banish, and plunder, until they degenerate again into perfect
> savages and find once more a master and monarch. - Polybius
>
>
> 

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