"and a pragmatist. He was all about building coalitions, and VISTA (a US government agency) used to use his book to train their volunteers."
I'll give you that he was a pragmatist. But, so were Stalin and Mao. "I know the right has been demonizing him because of the Chicago-organizer link to Obama, but that has about as much validity as Freedom fries had back in the day." Who cares about the link to Obama? It's more about the lack of ethics and morals that concern me and that ideal being propagated for others to use. "have you actually read his book, or anything about him? " Already answered. Anyway, just to find more about his character, you can read a 1972 Playboy interview. In it, he describes a system where he could use fraud to get a meal for the price of a cup of coffee. He then talks about teaching this trick to dozens of students. The kicker is, he then describes how irate he became when the restaurants changed their receipts, thus making it impossible for him and his cronies to keep stealing from them. He was actually angry that the restaurants wanted to protect their work. "This really sounds like the Fox News version of his life. " I wouldn't know. I haven't watched Fox News in months (and didn't watch it much then) and don't plan on watching them in the future. I have decided that they are just another arm of the progressive news establishment. Their job is to push those not on board with the program to acceptable alternatives. For example, if we can't convince Americans that Obama is great, we'll have to make them think Romney is great. "Or does saying that make me a progressive statist too? " I don't know. From your posts, I would definitely put you as less than conservative. "I really want to know if you'll apply the term to someone who left Canada because they didn't like the nanny state :)" Which is really ironic considering how things have changed lately. J - You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. When half of the people get an idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. - Adrian Pierce Rogers ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:345931 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
