>Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 16:37:19 -0400
>To: Dirk Moerenhout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>From: Py Fivestones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [Coder-Com] MOTD
>
>Well admins and coders, are you happy with the way this network is going?
>Below is one admin who isn't. Are there any coders here who are not
>pleased with the fruits of their recent labor? It's up to you who can, to
>do something to reverse this lame trend. p116 can be the start of the
>return of Undernet to a good and proper IRC net. Your actions or lack
>there of will seal this network's fate.
>stoney`
>
>At 06:15 PM 8/20/01 +0200, you wrote:
>>Euhrm
>>
>>*** Permission Denied: You're not an IRC operator
>>*** asfwefwef* No such server
>>
>>things like these only work if you make error-messages equal wether a
>>server is linked or not. The only thing the patch has accomplished now is
>>that you can't do a remote MOTD. It does not add any protection as you can
>>easily see if a server is linked or not because the error message differs.
>>
>>It's nice to have ideas but just removing everything that might be
>>possibly a problem without putting much thought in how you remove it is
>>totally worthless. Personally I'm not really a fan of the approach that
>>has been used in pl14/pl15. We're obviously overdoing it.
>>
>>BLMet / Admin Flanders.Be.Eu.Undernet.Org
>>
>>Dirk Moerenhout ///// System Administrator ///// Planet Internet NV
>>
>>On Mon, 20 Aug 2001, Andrew Miller wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > On Mon, 20 Aug 2001 11:04:10 +1200 you wrote:
>> >
>> > > [10:59] <BlakJ|Wrk> ./motd paris*
>> > > [10:59] <BlakJ|Wrk> Permission Denied: You're not an IRC operator
>> > >
>> > > Any reason why motd was part of the pl14/15 mods?
>> > > Remote MOTD would be useful to guests I should think.
>> > We did the same with ircd-hybrid-7. One of the ideas of
>> > server hiding is that you should not be able to determine
>> > whether a server has disconnected from the network
>> > temporarily so you cannot watch who splits off, and knowing
>> > what server split off, deduce what server the people who
>> > split off are on. Of course, you could just put a client on
>> > every server to determine what server split, but it is at
>> > least significantly more difficult to work out what server
>> > people are on and hence DoS that server.
>> > Obviously, if you allow remote MOTD and a server splits off,
>> > unless you cache the MOTD for every server on the network,
>> > you must disable remote MOTD or you could just do a remote
>> > MOTD to decide if a server has split off.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
>Py Fivestones
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