Odd, I thought people used IRC because they didn't want to have to play
with web pages loading and refreshing. The server list is now a web page,
MOTD's now web pages, why not just toss the IRCd and force everyone onto
web based chat?
Does anyone remember when Undernet was a real IRC net independent of the
world wide web? I see a trend, and it's initials are MS and AOL!
stoney`
At 06:11 PM 8/21/01 +1200, you wrote:
>On Mon, 20 Aug 2001 18:15:20 +0200 (CEST) you wrote:
>A brief aside in response to some messages I saw earlier about how necessary
>remote MOTD is: I would suggest undernet provides a space on their webserver
>where admins can put their policies. Things like bot policies belong on a
>webserver, not in an ircd, so rather than bloat the ircd with such things as
>caching MOTDs, it would be better to put them where the belong, i.e. on a
>webpage or the like.
>
> >
> > things like these only work if you make error-messages equal wether a
> > server is linked or not. The only thing the patch has accomplished now is
> > that you can't do a remote MOTD. It does not add any protection as you can
> > easily see if a server is linked or not because the error message differs.
> >
> > It's nice to have ideas but just removing everything that might be
> > possibly a problem without putting much thought in how you remove it is
> > totally worthless. Personally I'm not really a fan of the approach that
> > has been used in pl14/pl15. We're obviously overdoing it.
> >
> > BLMet / Admin Flanders.Be.Eu.Undernet.Org
> >
> > Dirk Moerenhout ///// System Administrator ///// Planet Internet NV
> >
> > On Mon, 20 Aug 2001, Andrew Miller wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > On Mon, 20 Aug 2001 11:04:10 +1200 you wrote:
> > >
> > > > [10:59] <BlakJ|Wrk> ./motd paris*
> > > > [10:59] <BlakJ|Wrk> Permission Denied: You're not an IRC operator
> > > >
> > > > Any reason why motd was part of the pl14/15 mods?
> > > > Remote MOTD would be useful to guests I should think.
> > > We did the same with ircd-hybrid-7. One of the ideas of
> > > server hiding is that you should not be able to determine
> > > whether a server has disconnected from the network
> > > temporarily so you cannot watch who splits off, and knowing
> > > what server split off, deduce what server the people who
> > > split off are on. Of course, you could just put a client on
> > > every server to determine what server split, but it is at
> > > least significantly more difficult to work out what server
> > > people are on and hence DoS that server.
> > > Obviously, if you allow remote MOTD and a server splits off,
> > > unless you cache the MOTD for every server on the network,
> > > you must disable remote MOTD or you could just do a remote
> > > MOTD to decide if a server has split off.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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