> which brings me back to kakki, i really can see joni opening up to her &
> stephen...having met both of them & how warm & engaging & genuine they
both
> are...

Thanks, Kate.  Just want to clarify that my comments have only stemmed from
my own experience and from what a couple other friends on the list have
experienced speaking with her.  I would never betray here anything personal
told to me by the couple of people I've met who are her friends.  The
discussion about her "arrogance" and "bitterness" has been a long-running
thread on the list for years and I've always had the position that we should
look beyond what is behind it.  It's just my two cents and not meant to
offend anyone.

> ps, through the wall would make a great song title! sorta like the book
> through the looking glass

I agree!

Kakki

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