If he is struggling with the issue then he is not for repeal of DOMA.
Most people are for civil union with equal rights. What they are not
for is calling it marriage.
On 12/23/2010 10:03 AM, Tommy News wrote:
President Obama has stated that he is struggling with this issue, and
that he is open to evolving and changing his personal opinion.
The President favors full civil union equality with equal rights and
benefits for same sex couples, and the repeal of DOMA.
On 12/23/10, GregfromBoston<[email protected]> wrote:
You oppose the repeal of DOMA, which discriminates against legally
married same sex couples who only want equal Federal marriage
benefits
such as social security and joint tax returns, etc.
---------------------------------------
So does President Obama, as did Clinton before him
Are they, "homophobic Reich wingnut fascists" too?
On Dec 23, 9:52 am, Tommy News<[email protected]> wrote:
Lil Keithie Kieth
I am very sorry that you are such a homophobic Reich wingnut fascist.
To repeat again,
Don't you believe that when you called me "Asshole" "Moonbat"
"Marxist" "Socialist"
"Young Tommy" "Lil Tom Tom" "Ignorant" etc. you were being hateful,
smearing and hurting me, and lying?
I believe you are telling lies again.You have demonstrated again and
again that you do NOT hold "beliefs of equality for all" as you falsely
claim.
You oppose the repeal of DADT, which has ruined thousands of lives and
careers.
You oppose the repeal of DOMA, which discriminates against legally
married same sex couples who only want equal Federal marriage benefits
such as social security and joint tax returns, etc.
You oppose Civil Marriage Equality for same sex couples. Civil Unions
and domestic partnerships are lesser, unequal contracts with fewer
benefits and rights.
You oppose UAFA, and favor tearing loving same sex families apart
through deportation.
You appear to falsely believe that being gay is a choice and a
lifestyle, which it is not.
You believe that all gays are flamboyant chaps wearing cross dressing
exhibitionist sex fiends, which most are not. Most dress better and
more conservatively than you do. Many are chaste and celebate.
You, Keith, by your own admissions, are a prejudiced misguided
misinformed homophobic Reich wingnut bigot with a dirty mind. Yes, you
are.
On 12/23/10, Keith In Tampa<[email protected]> wrote:
LilMarxistMoonbatTommyTomTomForNews,
How, or why would you make such a slanderous statement as that? Can
you
point to something that would make you say such a hateful lie and a
smear
against my person?
Either point to a post, with the quote, or make an apology. One or the
other,
KeithInTampa
On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Tommy News<[email protected]>
wrote:
Keith does not champion gays as equals.
He sees them as second class citizens.
On 12/22/10, Mark<[email protected]> wrote:
Tommy,
Where is the need to champion ANY group when you champion all as
equals
??
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Tommy News<[email protected]>
wrote:
Keith-
Although you flippantly state that "Yea, I am an arrogant asshole",
you are in fact a misguided homophobe, as you have demonstrated
clearly in your anti-gay statements in these groups.
I suggest that you make youself a New Year's resolution to become an
ally, champion, and advocate for your oppressed gay friends and
group
members, as other Republicans have done.
Merry Christmas.
On 12/20/10, Keith In Tampa<[email protected]> wrote:
Hey Wayne!
How do ya think stereotypes get started? Any truth to them?
Hey Vince!
Well, the last thing I wanted to come across as, was
condescending!
Yea,
I
am an arrogant asshole, but usually a pretty friendly asshole!
Nope,
not
pacifying anyone, ya wanna hear the truth? Come on over and I
will
shed
the light for ya!
Good to see ya, and Merry Christmas!
KeithInDC
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 9:03 PM, vince brackney
<[email protected]>wrote:
You know it isn't really worth the effort to get Keith to see the
other
side of the coin. Nothing more condescending than someone who
claims
they
are not prejudice and then make the statements that he does. It
like
saying
I have gay friends so I am not a hater, when really they are just
pacifying
us.
He is really saying these things based on his experience of years
ago,
and
I suspect that was before DADT was even in existence. He has
opinion
just
like everyone else. And everyone has the right to his or hers own
opinion.
I
just wish it wasn't aired in this group.
I am very thankful for the straight friends I do have that are
truly
not
prejudice and except me for who I am. Wish we had more of them in
the
world.
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 7:26 PM, wayne berry
<[email protected]>
wrote:
oh god, keith, i love ya! but do not tell me that you really
can't
see
the
forest for the trees?
heterosexuality represents 90% of the population. in fact if i
am
not
carrying a CD by madonna in my rainbow colored purse, no one
ever
suspects
i'm gay! no one suspects my husband is bisexual even when he
says
judas
priest is his favorite metal band! because most people are
straight,
the
assumption both gays AND straights operate under is that when
you
meet
a
man
you recognize that odds are pretty good he likes the ladies -
you
got
a
9
in
10 chance and rarely will you be wrong. except when you ARE
wrong.
stereotypes exist because in any group you can name there are
often
people
who fit certain ideas that are recognized - some jews ARE cheap,
some
white
people ARE incredibly "uptight", some gays DO prefer flowers to
football...
but within any stereotype there are plenty enough dissonances to
reveal
a
stereotype for what it is... a careless and casual painting of a
large
group
of people as being all the same, when indeed none of us are.
no one has to say they are straight because there are so many of
you
that
you can scarcely imagine people who are not like you.
my jobs in kitchens are not as regimented as the military, yet
there's
still a certain amount of macho involved in the job! but here is
the
thing... in all but the most antiseptic atmospheres, someone is
gonna
ask
you about your life outside the job. and there is nothing that
sounds
worse
than saying you don't have a girlfriend or a wife or even just
some
girl
you
bang now and again, than saying, "oh, i'm sorry i don't talk
about
personal
stuff like that." or weirder if you constantly avoid the
question.
when
there is no penalty for telling the truth you are much less a
freak
when
you
answer truthfully, "well, no i don't have a wife or a
girlfriend...
i'm
gay
and i have a husband/boyfriend... ' or even, "i'm not seeing
anyone
'special' right now, but i'm doing OK, if ya catch my drift."
i mean on one hand being gay informs a lot of my life (my tastes
are
somewhat different from yours, observably, aren't they?) but in
the
most
mundane aspects of life - the need for personal connection, the
need
to
eat,
the need to have some sort of meaning in your work? it's the
same
for
a
straight guy as a gay guy.
i really can't understand your need to cling to a fairly
outdated
concept
of what a gay man is when you are the moderator of a group that
gives
you
every evidence of a gay men who are far from those stereotypical
pictures.
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Keith In Tampa
<[email protected]>wrote:
Hello Mustang! Good to see ya!
First, I knew, when I wrote my initial missive, that there
would
be
at
least one thinking, "common sense" kinda guy (<Grin!!>
asshole!!)
who
would
call me on my last missive! Touche'!
It is in fact a hard concept that I was attempting to frame,
and
you
are correct....Sort of.
Yes, as I stated, the military cultivates a "Macho" image, and
it
is
hard
to not separate the Macho Man who is the ladies' man. This is
in
direct
conflict with my statement that the military does not allow for
those
who
wear their sexual identity on their sleeve.
There are a number of men in the military who do in fact play
the
"cassanova" role. I will admit that to a degree, this is a
double
standard
and in conflict with my premise.
Having said that, in my 53 years, I have yet to meet a
Heterosexual,
who
identifies himself as a, "Heterosexual". That his whole life
revolves
around being, "Heterosexual". His politics; his social life;
his
mannerisms; his diet; his wardrobe; his decor; his passions,
likes,
dislikes, hatreds, loves, and yes, sexual appetite, are all
defined
by
his
"Straightness".
Please point this/these individual(s) out to me.
Therein lies the distinction, and no, nothing about the repeal
of
DADT
will change the rejection by the United States Military on this
one
major
issue, of Gay men or women who choose to defend our Nation.
Just
like
their
straight counterparts, they cannot and will not be able to
broadcast
their
sexual proclivities, as is done so much in the Gay community,
and
maybe
in
some Heterosexual social circles; (Like the Nudist/Swapping
crews).
KeithInDC
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 12:33 AM, Mustang
<[email protected]
wrote:
Keith,
While I agree with many, if not most, things you say we
disagree
on
a
couple. This being one of them.
"The military does not allow for ANYONE, and this will include
heterosexuals as well as homosexuals, to wear their sexuality
openly,
or to
broadcast their sexual likes or dislikes publicly.
"
Heterosexuals already do wear their sexuality preference
openly.
Are you saying that everyone will suddenly be forbidden any
opportunity
to display or even have pictures of their family and friends?
No
one
will
be allowed to admit they write, call, or discuss any
communications
with
their wives, husbands, girlfriends or boyfriends? No one will
be
allowed to
talk about how things are going at home or plans after
discharge?
While on
leave, no one can invite a male or female military friend to
spend
the
Holidays with a spouse, or to openly have two Dads or two
Moms?
The Israeli military has not gone to hell in a hand basket.
They
have
no problem with both genders or gay people being drafted and
then
working
cohesively. It's the same as acceptance of blacks and women
was
decades
ago. Much ado about nothing. I am certain our military will
be
able
to
keep their minds focused on the tasks assigned. Anyone who is
qualified
should have the right to apply to defend our nation. Absolute
100%
heterosexuality should not be a requirement. Nothing will
change.
Mustang
Bigotry disguised as morality is still bigotry just as an
outhouse
with
marble columns is still an outhouse. - D.A. Ridgely (whomever
he
is)
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No question, I see this issue from a different perspective
than I
believe most do here in HP.
I don't see the DADT repeal as being all that significant, and
although
I agree with Rob and his assessment, I also think that there
is
a
major
component to all of this, that Rob, or anyone else in the
group
has
touched
upon.
The military does not allow for ANYONE, and this will include
heterosexuals as well as homosexuals, to wear their sexuality
openly,
or to
broadcast their sexual likes or dislikes publicly. In other
words,
NO
ONE
in the military can be or will be identified by their sexual
proclivities or
sexual identification, which is a common factor in the Gay
community.
This
is where so many in the Gay community are mistaken.
The military will boot out a service member who is an admitted
adulterer. Service members who are into any type of
sado-masochistic activities and make them public will be
summarily
discharged. Those service members who are into "swinging" and
have
multiple
sexual partners, and who make that aspect of their lives
public,
will
be
shown the door and discharged. All branches of the service
will
not
condone any member who bases his or her lifestyle upon their
sexual
identiy.
Nothng has changed.
Just as important, the military does in fact have and embrace
a
"Macho"
image. This is requisite for combat. Yes, there are women in
the
service
but not in combat arms. The lifestyle is tough, rugged and
most
of
the
time
uncomfortable. The stereotypical Gay male will not be
condoned.
The
combat
units of the Army and Marines are all male and all the males
talk
about
doing their girl friends as they charge the enemy with cigars
hanging
out
their mouths; not penises. This is the image that our
military
cultivates. It is good for morale, it is good for unit
cohesiveness,
and
most importantly, it is but one component of what makes our
military
the
mightiest in the world. Again, this image is not going to
change.
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