"I am not in favor of gay marriage" - Barack Obama. He has NEVER supported the repeal of DOMA, and that includes yesterday, when asked point blank if he was "intellectually consistent". He isn't, and 3 huminas and a struggle doesn't change that.
And you skipped Clinton completely. I reckon you're not a homophobic fascist so long as there is a D next to your name. On Dec 23, 10:03 am, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > President Obama has stated that he is struggling with this issue, and > that he is open to evolving and changing his personal opinion. > The President favors full civil union equality with equal rights and > benefits for same sex couples, and the repeal of DOMA. > > On 12/23/10, GregfromBoston <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > You oppose the repeal of DOMA, which discriminates against legally > > married same sex couples who only want equal Federal marriage > > benefits > > such as social security and joint tax returns, etc. > > --------------------------------------- > > > So does President Obama, as did Clinton before him > > > Are they, "homophobic Reich wingnut fascists" too? > > > On Dec 23, 9:52 am, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Lil Keithie Kieth > > >> I am very sorry that you are such a homophobic Reich wingnut fascist. > > >> To repeat again, > > >> Don't you believe that when you called me "Asshole" "Moonbat" > >> "Marxist" "Socialist" > >> "Young Tommy" "Lil Tom Tom" "Ignorant" etc. you were being hateful, > >> smearing and hurting me, and lying? > > >> I believe you are telling lies again.You have demonstrated again and > >> again that you do NOT hold "beliefs of equality for all" as you falsely > >> claim. > > >> You oppose the repeal of DADT, which has ruined thousands of lives and > >> careers. > > >> You oppose the repeal of DOMA, which discriminates against legally > >> married same sex couples who only want equal Federal marriage benefits > >> such as social security and joint tax returns, etc. > > >> You oppose Civil Marriage Equality for same sex couples. Civil Unions > >> and domestic partnerships are lesser, unequal contracts with fewer > >> benefits and rights. > > >> You oppose UAFA, and favor tearing loving same sex families apart > >> through deportation. > > >> You appear to falsely believe that being gay is a choice and a > >> lifestyle, which it is not. > > >> You believe that all gays are flamboyant chaps wearing cross dressing > >> exhibitionist sex fiends, which most are not. Most dress better and > >> more conservatively than you do. Many are chaste and celebate. > > >> You, Keith, by your own admissions, are a prejudiced misguided > >> misinformed homophobic Reich wingnut bigot with a dirty mind. Yes, you > >> are. > > >> On 12/23/10, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > LilMarxistMoonbatTommyTomTomForNews, > > >> > How, or why would you make such a slanderous statement as that? Can > >> > you > >> > point to something that would make you say such a hateful lie and a > >> > smear > >> > against my person? > > >> > Either point to a post, with the quote, or make an apology. One or the > >> > other, > > >> > KeithInTampa > > >> > On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]> > >> > wrote: > > >> >> Keith does not champion gays as equals. > >> >> He sees them as second class citizens. > > >> >> On 12/22/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > Tommy, > > >> >> > Where is the need to champion ANY group when you champion all as > >> >> > equals > >> >> ?? > > >> >> > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]> > >> >> wrote: > > >> >> >> Keith- > > >> >> >> Although you flippantly state that "Yea, I am an arrogant asshole", > >> >> >> you are in fact a misguided homophobe, as you have demonstrated > >> >> >> clearly in your anti-gay statements in these groups. > > >> >> >> I suggest that you make youself a New Year's resolution to become an > >> >> >> ally, champion, and advocate for your oppressed gay friends and > >> >> >> group > >> >> >> members, as other Republicans have done. > > >> >> >> Merry Christmas. > > >> >> >> On 12/20/10, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> > Hey Wayne! > > >> >> >> > How do ya think stereotypes get started? Any truth to them? > > >> >> >> > Hey Vince! > > >> >> >> > Well, the last thing I wanted to come across as, was > >> >> >> > condescending! > >> >> >> > Yea, > >> >> >> I > >> >> >> > am an arrogant asshole, but usually a pretty friendly asshole! > >> >> >> > Nope, > >> >> >> > not > >> >> >> > pacifying anyone, ya wanna hear the truth? Come on over and I > >> >> >> > will > >> >> >> > shed > >> >> >> > the light for ya! > > >> >> >> > Good to see ya, and Merry Christmas! > > >> >> >> > KeithInDC > > >> >> >> > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 9:03 PM, vince brackney > >> >> >> > <[email protected]>wrote: > > >> >> >> >> You know it isn't really worth the effort to get Keith to see the > >> >> other > >> >> >> >> side of the coin. Nothing more condescending than someone who > >> >> >> >> claims > >> >> >> they > >> >> >> >> are not prejudice and then make the statements that he does. It > >> >> >> >> like > >> >> >> >> saying > >> >> >> >> I have gay friends so I am not a hater, when really they are just > >> >> >> >> pacifying > >> >> >> >> us. > > >> >> >> >> He is really saying these things based on his experience of years > >> >> ago, > >> >> >> and > >> >> >> >> I suspect that was before DADT was even in existence. He has > >> >> >> >> opinion > >> >> >> just > >> >> >> >> like everyone else. And everyone has the right to his or hers own > >> >> >> opinion. > >> >> >> >> I > >> >> >> >> just wish it wasn't aired in this group. > > >> >> >> >> I am very thankful for the straight friends I do have that are > >> >> >> >> truly > >> >> >> >> not > >> >> >> >> prejudice and except me for who I am. Wish we had more of them in > >> >> >> >> the > >> >> >> >> world. > > >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 7:26 PM, wayne berry > >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> > >> >> >> wrote: > > >> >> >> >>> oh god, keith, i love ya! but do not tell me that you really > >> >> >> >>> can't > >> >> see > >> >> >> >>> the > >> >> >> >>> forest for the trees? > >> >> >> >>> heterosexuality represents 90% of the population. in fact if i > >> >> >> >>> am > >> >> not > >> >> >> >>> carrying a CD by madonna in my rainbow colored purse, no one > >> >> >> >>> ever > >> >> >> >>> suspects > >> >> >> >>> i'm gay! no one suspects my husband is bisexual even when he > >> >> >> >>> says > >> >> >> >>> judas > >> >> >> >>> priest is his favorite metal band! because most people are > >> >> >> >>> straight, > >> >> >> the > >> >> >> >>> assumption both gays AND straights operate under is that when > >> >> >> >>> you > >> >> meet > >> >> >> a > >> >> >> >>> man > >> >> >> >>> you recognize that odds are pretty good he likes the ladies - > >> >> >> >>> you > >> >> got > >> >> >> >>> a > >> >> >> 9 > >> >> >> >>> in > >> >> >> >>> 10 chance and rarely will you be wrong. except when you ARE > >> >> >> >>> wrong. > >> >> >> >>> stereotypes exist because in any group you can name there are > >> >> >> >>> often > >> >> >> >>> people > >> >> >> >>> who fit certain ideas that are recognized - some jews ARE cheap, > >> >> some > >> >> >> >>> white > >> >> >> >>> people ARE incredibly "uptight", some gays DO prefer flowers to > >> >> >> >>> football... > >> >> >> >>> but within any stereotype there are plenty enough dissonances to > >> >> >> >>> reveal > >> >> >> a > >> >> >> >>> stereotype for what it is... a careless and casual painting of a > >> >> large > >> >> >> >>> group > >> >> >> >>> of people as being all the same, when indeed none of us are. > >> >> >> >>> no one has to say they are straight because there are so many of > >> >> >> >>> you > >> >> >> that > >> >> >> >>> you can scarcely imagine people who are not like you. > >> >> >> >>> my jobs in kitchens are not as regimented as the military, yet > >> >> there's > >> >> >> >>> still a certain amount of macho involved in the job! but here is > >> >> >> >>> the > >> >> >> >>> thing... in all but the most antiseptic atmospheres, someone is > >> >> gonna > >> >> >> ask > >> >> >> >>> you about your life outside the job. and there is nothing that > >> >> sounds > >> >> >> >>> worse > >> >> >> >>> than saying you don't have a girlfriend or a wife or even just > >> >> >> >>> some > >> >> >> girl > >> >> >> >>> you > >> >> >> >>> bang now and again, than saying, "oh, i'm sorry i don't talk > >> >> >> >>> about > >> >> >> >>> personal > >> >> >> >>> stuff like that." or weirder if you constantly avoid the > >> >> >> >>> question. > >> >> >> >>> when > >> >> >> >>> there is no penalty for telling the truth you are much less a > >> >> >> >>> freak > >> >> >> when > >> >> >> >>> you > >> >> >> >>> answer truthfully, "well, no i don't have a wife or a > >> >> >> >>> girlfriend... > >> >> >> >>> i'm > >> >> >> >>> gay > >> >> >> >>> and i have a husband/boyfriend... ' or even, "i'm not seeing > >> >> >> >>> anyone > >> >> >> >>> 'special' right now, but i'm doing OK, if ya catch my drift." > >> >> >> >>> i mean on one hand being gay informs a lot of my life (my tastes > >> >> >> >>> are > >> >> >> >>> somewhat different from yours, observably, aren't they?) but in > >> >> >> >>> the > >> >> >> most > >> >> >> >>> mundane aspects of life - the need for personal connection, the > >> >> >> >>> need > >> >> >> >>> to > >> >> >> >>> eat, > >> >> >> >>> the need to have some sort of meaning in your work? it's the > >> >> >> >>> same > >> >> for > >> >> >> >>> a > >> >> >> >>> straight guy as a gay guy. > >> >> >> >>> i really can't understand your need to cling to a fairly > >> >> >> >>> outdated > >> >> >> concept > >> >> >> >>> of what a gay man is when you are the moderator of a group that > >> >> gives > >> >> >> you > >> >> >> >>> every evidence of a gay men who are far from those stereotypical > >> >> >> >>> pictures. > > >> >> >> >>> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Keith In Tampa > >> >> >> >>> <[email protected]>wrote: > > >> >> >> >>>> Hello Mustang! Good to see ya! > > >> >> >> >>>> First, I knew, when I wrote my initial missive, that there > >> >> >> >>>> would > >> >> >> >>>> be > >> >> >> >>>> at > >> >> >> >>>> least one thinking, "common sense" kinda guy (<Grin!!> > >> >> >> >>>> asshole!!) > >> >> >> >>>> who > >> >> >> >>>> would > >> >> >> >>>> call me on my last missive! Touche'! > > >> >> >> >>>> It is in fact a hard concept that I was attempting to frame, > >> >> >> >>>> and > >> >> >> >>>> you > >> >> >> >>>> are correct....Sort of. > > >> >> >> >>>> Yes, as I stated, the military cultivates a "Macho" image, and > >> >> >> >>>> it > >> >> is > >> >> >> >>>> hard > >> >> >> >>>> to not separate the Macho Man who is > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. 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