I think of the Roadini as a Rivendell road bike, as in "this is how Riv 
distills Rivness into a TIG-welded caliper-brake frame designed to be a 
little shorter than other Rivs, and will probably use dropbsrs and 
skinny-ish tires." It's not a "road bike" as the current market understands 
that term. 

Joe Bernard 

On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 2:24:41 PM UTC-8 andyree...@gmail.com wrote:

> Patrick, 
>
> You pretty much hit the nail on the head! It sounds like my experience 
> with the Roadini is similar to your Ram experience (which is ironic because 
> I like the way the Ram rides). The memory that was conjured up while riding 
> the Roadini was when I was a kid at a local playground and tried a handicap 
> swingset that was freshly installed. And I thought, hey this is pretty 
> cool, but I do feel 50x safer than would personally like to feel...I'm 
> gonna go back to jumping out of trees on a rope swing. This feels 
> insensitive typing it out and I don't mean to be, and I don't think my 
> experience with the Roadini makes it a worse bike than my Waterford 1200, 
> they're just two totally different beasts...but they're both called road 
> bikes... 
>
> Now there are roads 40 miles or so from my front door where I would MUCH 
> prefer the Roadini to my Waterford, and the opportunity cost of selling the 
> Roadini is that I'll likely forego riding those roads. But where I'm at 
> right now, I'd rather enjoy those 40 miles on a bike that feels lively and 
> a little dangerous and either skip, walk, or say a prayer to the pinch flat 
> gods and overcome that short section of sketch. If I were a sleep-deprived 
> rando rider enjoying long stretches of rough country road, the Roadini and 
> I would get along like peas and carrots, but that ain't me right now. 
>
> This is a can o worms I'm opening, but I'll say it anyway, maybe Rivendell 
> shouldn't be calling the Roadini a "road" bike. It's definitely THEIR 
> version of one but none of their models except for maybe the Roadeo fit 
> into the industries' categories. I think Country bike and Hilibike are 
> beautiful categorical solutions, so perhaps the Homer and Roadini deserve 
> their own as well. Food for thought. 
>
> Andrew
> On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 11:09:01 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> That's frame and fork and headset, folks.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 10:07 AM Patrick Moore <bert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ..  1970s *tout 531* Libertas [5.9 lb 60 X 56 c-c with steel Campy 
>>> hs!!] with 38 mm tires for a road-like pavement gofast combined with tires 
>>> and gearing sufficient for firm-dirt explorations.
>>>
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>>

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