cjust...@gmail.com, sorry I don't know your name, but while staring at the 
finished build as one does, one of my first thoughts was, this looks a LOT 
like a Casseroll! I've never ridden one but am delighted that someone else 
made that connection. I would 100% agree with that description for the 
Roadini: "A versatile (light) touring machine with roadie influences." 

I also should've clarified that the 2022 Roadini model is the one I have a 
harder time calling a road bike. To me it's a new-age sport tourer. Lot's 
of bags don't even need brazeons or racks these days and I think the 
Roadini would carry them in stride. 
On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 4:53:25 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I think of the Roadini as a Rivendell road bike, as in "this is how Riv 
> distills Rivness into a TIG-welded caliper-brake frame designed to be a 
> little shorter than other Rivs, and will probably use dropbsrs and 
> skinny-ish tires." It's not a "road bike" as the current market understands 
> that term. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 2:24:41 PM UTC-8 andyree...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Patrick, 
>>
>> You pretty much hit the nail on the head! It sounds like my experience 
>> with the Roadini is similar to your Ram experience (which is ironic because 
>> I like the way the Ram rides). The memory that was conjured up while riding 
>> the Roadini was when I was a kid at a local playground and tried a handicap 
>> swingset that was freshly installed. And I thought, hey this is pretty 
>> cool, but I do feel 50x safer than would personally like to feel...I'm 
>> gonna go back to jumping out of trees on a rope swing. This feels 
>> insensitive typing it out and I don't mean to be, and I don't think my 
>> experience with the Roadini makes it a worse bike than my Waterford 1200, 
>> they're just two totally different beasts...but they're both called road 
>> bikes... 
>>
>> Now there are roads 40 miles or so from my front door where I would MUCH 
>> prefer the Roadini to my Waterford, and the opportunity cost of selling the 
>> Roadini is that I'll likely forego riding those roads. But where I'm at 
>> right now, I'd rather enjoy those 40 miles on a bike that feels lively and 
>> a little dangerous and either skip, walk, or say a prayer to the pinch flat 
>> gods and overcome that short section of sketch. If I were a sleep-deprived 
>> rando rider enjoying long stretches of rough country road, the Roadini and 
>> I would get along like peas and carrots, but that ain't me right now. 
>>
>> This is a can o worms I'm opening, but I'll say it anyway, maybe 
>> Rivendell shouldn't be calling the Roadini a "road" bike. It's definitely 
>> THEIR version of one but none of their models except for maybe the Roadeo 
>> fit into the industries' categories. I think Country bike and Hilibike are 
>> beautiful categorical solutions, so perhaps the Homer and Roadini deserve 
>> their own as well. Food for thought. 
>>
>> Andrew
>> On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 11:09:01 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> That's frame and fork and headset, folks.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 10:07 AM Patrick Moore <bert...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ..  1970s *tout 531* Libertas [5.9 lb 60 X 56 c-c with steel Campy 
>>>> hs!!] with 38 mm tires for a road-like pavement gofast combined with tires 
>>>> and gearing sufficient for firm-dirt explorations.
>>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Patrick Moore
>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
>>>

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