That is pretty funny!  I assume I am in the rabbit hole alone when I make 
some of these connections.  Good on you for connecting as the Casseroll has 
been out of prod for 7 years or so IIRC.  I was comparing the 49cm 2010 
Mustard Casseroll (my favorite version and just found NOS after 12 years) 
Geo with this version of the 50cm Roadini:

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/ROADINI-500-Geo.jpg?7649874663519573416

That is the link currently posted on Riv but I suspect based on some of the 
tire info that it is an earlier iteration, so the 2022 model may be 
diverging from that link and the 15 year old Casseroll design to something 
just a little further from a road bike in its latest version.

On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 5:13:18 PM UTC-6 andyree...@gmail.com wrote:
cjus...@gmail.com, sorry I don't know your name, but while staring at the 
finished build as one does, one of my first thoughts was, this looks a LOT 
like a Casseroll! I've never ridden one but am delighted that someone else 
made that connection. I would 100% agree with that description for the 
Roadini: "A versatile (light) touring machine with roadie influences." 

I also should've clarified that the 2022 Roadini model is the one I have a 
harder time calling a road bike. To me it's a new-age sport tourer. Lot's 
of bags don't even need brazeons or racks these days and I think the 
Roadini would carry them in stride. 
On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 4:53:25 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
I think of the Roadini as a Rivendell road bike, as in "this is how Riv 
distills Rivness into a TIG-welded caliper-brake frame designed to be a 
little shorter than other Rivs, and will probably use dropbsrs and 
skinny-ish tires." It's not a "road bike" as the current market understands 
that term. 

Joe Bernard 

On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 2:24:41 PM UTC-8 andyree...@gmail.com wrote:
Patrick, 

You pretty much hit the nail on the head! It sounds like my experience with 
the Roadini is similar to your Ram experience (which is ironic because I 
like the way the Ram rides). The memory that was conjured up while riding 
the Roadini was when I was a kid at a local playground and tried a handicap 
swingset that was freshly installed. And I thought, hey this is pretty 
cool, but I do feel 50x safer than would personally like to feel...I'm 
gonna go back to jumping out of trees on a rope swing. This feels 
insensitive typing it out and I don't mean to be, and I don't think my 
experience with the Roadini makes it a worse bike than my Waterford 1200, 
they're just two totally different beasts...but they're both called road 
bikes... 

Now there are roads 40 miles or so from my front door where I would MUCH 
prefer the Roadini to my Waterford, and the opportunity cost of selling the 
Roadini is that I'll likely forego riding those roads. But where I'm at 
right now, I'd rather enjoy those 40 miles on a bike that feels lively and 
a little dangerous and either skip, walk, or say a prayer to the pinch flat 
gods and overcome that short section of sketch. If I were a sleep-deprived 
rando rider enjoying long stretches of rough country road, the Roadini and 
I would get along like peas and carrots, but that ain't me right now. 

This is a can o worms I'm opening, but I'll say it anyway, maybe Rivendell 
shouldn't be calling the Roadini a "road" bike. It's definitely THEIR 
version of one but none of their models except for maybe the Roadeo fit 
into the industries' categories. I think Country bike and Hilibike are 
beautiful categorical solutions, so perhaps the Homer and Roadini deserve 
their own as well. Food for thought. 

Andrew
On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 11:09:01 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
That's frame and fork and headset, folks.

On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 10:07 AM Patrick Moore <bert...@gmail.com> wrote:
..  1970s *tout 531* Libertas [5.9 lb 60 X 56 c-c with steel Campy hs!!] 
with 38 mm tires for a road-like pavement gofast combined with tires and 
gearing sufficient for firm-dirt explorations.

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Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum

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