--- On Mon, 9/28/09, Russ Williams wrote: [...]
> "kristnaska kaverno" estas la plej preciza kaj nemiskomprenebla?! > Cxu vi sxercas? Neniel. > Mi dubas ke mi komprenus tiun kristotrogon aux artecan scenon kun > tia kristotrogo se oni parolus pri "kaverno". Laux mia sperto vidi > multajn tiajn artajxon kaj laux mia kompreno de la originala biblia > rakonto, ne temas pri ia kaverno (subtera kavo, groto, ktp). Jen kiom grandaj estas la diferencoj internaciaj. Mi certe ne rekonus la celatan sencon en la "kripo"; vi ne rekonus ĝin en "kaverno". Do, "kristnaskejo" ŝajnas esti preferinda. Tamen la kaverno ja estas en la pramalnova tradicio kristana, kiun oni klare vidas sur ĉiu Kristnaska ikono ortodoksa. Kp la ateston de la "Katolika enciklopedio": About 150 we find St. Justin Martyr referring (Dialogue with Trypho 78) to the Savior's birth as having taken place in a cave near the village of Bethlehem; such cave stables are not rare in Palestine. (Cf. Massie in Hast., Dict. of the Bible, III, 234; Expository Times, May, 1903, 384; Bonaccorsi, "Il Natale", Rome, 1903, 16-20.) The tradition of the birth in a cave was widely accepted, as we see from Origen's words about a century later: "In Bethlehem the cave is pointed out where He was born, and the manger in the cave where He was wrapped in swaddling clothes, and the rumor is in those places and among foreigners of theFaith that indeed Jesus was born in this cave". (Against Celsus I.51) It is reproduced also in the apocryphal gospels (Pseudo-Matt., xiii, ap. Bonaccorsi, op. cit., 159-163; Protevang. of James, xvii sqq., Bonaccorsi, 155-159; Gospel of the Infancy, II-IV, Bonaccorsi, 163-164). Over the traditional spot of the Nativity stands a church (St. Mary of the Nativity), surrounded on the northwest and southwest by the convents of the Latins (Franciscans), Greeks, and Armenians, respectively. The building is, apart from additions and modifications made by Justinian (527-565), substantially the work of Constantine (about 330). Underneath that most ancient and venerable monument of Christianity, a favorite resort of pilgrims throughout the centuries, is the grotto of the Nativity. The Nativity chapel, running in the same general direction as the church (east to west), is situated under the choir; at the eastern end is a silver star with the inscription: Hic de Virgine Maria Jesus Christus natus est and near the chapel of the Crib (see Bonaccorsi, op. cit., 77-113). Other grottoes to the north and north-west connected with that of the Nativity are associated, mostly by recent traditions (c. fifteenth century), with the narratives of Matthew 2, mainly, and with the memory of the great scholar St. Jerome and his company of pious and learned friends (Sanders, Etudes sur S. Je'rome, Paris, 1903, 29f.). http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02533a.htm -- Sergio
