Re: [AFMUG] Official Annoucement - AFMUG list change

[Paul McCall via Af]

Working it... :)

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay 
Fuller via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 2:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Official Annoucement - AFMUG list change


hmmsomeone's still tweaking

the TO field isn't keeping af@afmug.com anymore after that most recent change.

i have to be an hour away from here by 9 am in the morningi shouldn't have 
drank so much caffeine.
  - Original Message - 
  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  To: CBB - Jay Fuller ; Animal Farm 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 12:59 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Official Annoucement - AFMUG list change



  oh, well, neat, check THAT out...

- Original Message - 
From: CBB - Jay Fuller via Af 
To: Animal Farm 
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Official Annoucement - AFMUG list change




11:49 am , received in my inbox at 3:51 pm...

  - Original Message - 
  From: Animal Farm 
  To: par...@cyberbroadband.net 
  Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 11:49 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Official Annoucement - AFMUG list change


  --- [ Paul McCall  wrote ]
  ---
  I am not sure what you are referring to :)  there is no such charges for 
email, at least on anything we have ever done with them (including this project)

  Paul

  -Original Message-
  From: af@afmug.com [mailto:af@afmug.com] 
  Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 12:28 PM
  To: Paul McCall
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Official Annoucement - AFMUG list change

  --- [ Seth Mattinen  wrote ]
  ---
  On 9/15/14, 9:18, Animal Farm wrote:
  >
  > Seems like $300/mo can get one heck of a VM or a dedicated server 
pretty much anywhere and gets you back to routine server admin tasks instead of 
trying to twist the amazon genie into shape.


  I really hope that no money was spent on this.

  ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Official Annoucement - AFMUG list change

[Paul McCall via Af]

...

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul 
McCall via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 2:02 AM
To: CBB - Jay Fuller; Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Official Annoucement - AFMUG list change

Working it... :)

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay 
Fuller via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 2:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Official Annoucement - AFMUG list change


hmmsomeone's still tweaking

the TO field isn't keeping af@afmug.com anymore after that most recent change.

i have to be an hour away from here by 9 am in the morningi shouldn't have 
drank so much caffeine.
  - Original Message - 
  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  To: CBB - Jay Fuller ; Animal Farm 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 12:59 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Official Annoucement - AFMUG list change



  oh, well, neat, check THAT out...

- Original Message - 
From: CBB - Jay Fuller via Af 
To: Animal Farm 
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Official Annoucement - AFMUG list change




11:49 am , received in my inbox at 3:51 pm...

  - Original Message - 
  From: Animal Farm 
  To: par...@cyberbroadband.net 
  Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 11:49 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Official Annoucement - AFMUG list change


  --- [ Paul McCall  wrote ]
  ---
  I am not sure what you are referring to :)  there is no such charges for 
email, at least on anything we have ever done with them (including this project)

  Paul

  -Original Message-
  From: af@afmug.com [mailto:af@afmug.com] 
  Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 12:28 PM
  To: Paul McCall
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Official Annoucement - AFMUG list change

  --- [ Seth Mattinen  wrote ]
  ---
  On 9/15/14, 9:18, Animal Farm wrote:
  >
  > Seems like $300/mo can get one heck of a VM or a dedicated server 
pretty much anywhere and gets you back to routine server admin tasks instead of 
trying to twist the amazon genie into shape.


  I really hope that no money was spent on this.

  ~Seth

[AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Paul McCall via Af]

Guys,

We installed some updates in the middle of the night to fix the FROM problem.  
There a couple tweaks that will be done today.  My tech on the project is now 
sleeping as we worked during the night.

PLEASE BE PATIENT.

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Paul McCall via Af]

Guys, 

We are fully aware of the extra TO:  it will NOT stay that way as soon as 
the tech wakes up... he'll be in by 1pm

Paul

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam 
Moffett via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:51 AM
To: Colin Stanners; Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments


Same way it's always been done.
 From = original sender
Reply-to = list

That way when I click reply, you won't get the message twice...just like you're 
about to get this one twice.

> I assume the issue then is how do yo indicate the original sender's 
> e-mail address?
>
> On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 7:59 AM, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
>
>> Not complaining, just a note. Can the reply-to be changed to just 
>> have AF and not the original sender as well?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>>
>> From: "Paul McCall via Af" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 7:43:02 AM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments
>>
>> Guys,
>>
>> We installed some updates in the middle of the night to fix the FROM 
>> problem. There a couple tweaks that will be done today. My tech on 
>> the project is now sleeping as we worked during the night.
>>
>> PLEASE BE PATIENT.
>>
>> Paul McCall, Pres.
>> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>> 772-564-6800 office
>> 772-473-0352 cell
>> www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/>
>> pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Paul McCall via Af]

LOL. Does anybody actually READ my posts about the status ?

Relax...  what's on TV?  How's your network doing?  Take a selfie, watch some 
funny Cat videos :)

Many tweaks will be made today :)

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof 
via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 10:38 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Now the From is

"Colin Stanners via Af" 

which I think is actually worse, since that's your name but not your email 
address, it's bound to cause problems.  Plus now we have the double replies, to 
get your actual email address to show up somewhere.

I think Mike is right, we need the standard list behavior, where From: has the 
sender's email, and both To: and Reply To: is the list address.  If that is 
something Amazon prohibits, it's an annoyance for sure and maybe a deal killer.


-Original Message-
From: Colin Stanners via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:09 AM
Cc: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

>From what I understood, the issue was that Amazon didn't let you fake
(change from af@afmug.com) the from: value, likely a spam prevention measure. 
But as Paul said, they will be more improvements when the tech comes in and I'm 
sure this can be fixed.

On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 8:48 AM, Adam Moffett 
wrote:

>
> Same way it's always been done.
> From = original sender
> Reply-to = list
>
> That way when I click reply, you won't get the message twice...just 
> like you're about to get this one twice.
>
>
>  I assume the issue then is how do yo indicate the original sender's 
> e-mail
>> address?
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 7:59 AM, Mike Hammett via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Not complaining, just a note. Can the reply-to be changed to just 
>> have AF
>>> and not the original sender as well?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>>
>>> From: "Paul McCall via Af" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 7:43:02 AM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments
>>>
>>> Guys,
>>>
>>> We installed some updates in the middle of the night to fix the FROM 
>>> problem. There a couple tweaks that will be done today. My tech on 
>>> the project is now sleeping as we worked during the night.
>>>
>>> PLEASE BE PATIENT.
>>>
>>> Paul McCall, Pres.
>>> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>> 772-564-6800 office
>>> 772-473-0352 cell
>>> www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/>
>>> pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
> 

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Paul McCall via Af]

Matt,

I looked at all the threads for the past few hours, and I see who it is coming 
from each time.

However, it does not show their email address... we can add that back into the 
body of the message I believe.  That is how we had it yesterday, but the 
upgrade "undid" that.

Thanks!

Paul

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Unless you sign your name to the email, there isn't any way of seeing who its 
from.


On 09/16/2014 03:15 PM, Ryan Ray via Af wrote:
> Looks way better now. Thanks Paul
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 16, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
>
>> *slow clap*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>>
>> From: "Curtis Brotherton via Af" >
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 3:34:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments
>>
>> I have also fixed the annoying 'Reply To' issue, where it was replying to
>> the original poster AND the list.
>>
>> It now only reply's to the list.
>> --
>> 
>> Curtis Brotherton
>> PDMNet
>> (772) 564-6800
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Jaime Solorza via Af > jaime%20solorza%20via%20af%20%3...@afmug.com %3e>>
>> Reply-to: >
>> To: Animal Farm > animal%20farm%20%3...@afmug.com %3e>>, Paul McCall <
>> pa...@pdmnet.net <mailto:paul%20mccall%20%3cpa...@pdmnet.net
>> %3e>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments
>> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 20:09:24 +
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> On Sep 16, 2014 6:43 AM, "Paul McCall via Af" 
>> <mailto:af@afmug.com >> wrote:
>>
>>> Guys,
>>>
>>> We installed some updates in the middle of the night to fix the FROM
>>> problem. There a couple tweaks that will be done today. My tech on the
>>> project is now sleeping as we worked during the night.
>>>
>>> PLEASE BE PATIENT.
>>>
>>> Paul McCall, Pres.
>>> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>> 772-564-6800 office
>>> 772-473-0352 cell
>>> www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com><http://www.pdmnet.com/>
>>> pa...@pdmnet.net <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net 
>>> <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Paul McCall via Af]

The From address  wasn’t the sender on the old list either.  

However, the old list said did say something like this...   af@afmug.com; on 
behalf of; Bill Prince   in the from.

Whereas the new list doesn’t show the .  

For the moment, I believe that we will put that back in the body soon ...   
like this... --- [ Bill Prince  wrote ]




-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

I think he means that the From address isn't actually the sender of the e-mail. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "Paul McCall via Af"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:53:09 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments 

Matt, 

I looked at all the threads for the past few hours, and I see who it is coming 
from each time. 

However, it does not show their email address... we can add that back into the 
body of the message I believe. That is how we had it yesterday, but the upgrade 
"undid" that. 

Thanks! 

Paul 

-Original Message- 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins via Af 
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:24 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments 

Unless you sign your name to the email, there isn't any way of seeing who its 
from. 


On 09/16/2014 03:15 PM, Ryan Ray via Af wrote: 
> Looks way better now. Thanks Paul 
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, September 16, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote: 
> 
>> *slow clap* 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - 
>> Mike Hammett 
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> http://www.ics-il.com 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message - 
>> 
>> From: "Curtis Brotherton via Af" > 
>> To: af@afmug.com  
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 3:34:33 PM 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments 
>> 
>> I have also fixed the annoying 'Reply To' issue, where it was replying to 
>> the original poster AND the list. 
>> 
>> It now only reply's to the list. 
>> -- 
>>  
>> Curtis Brotherton 
>> PDMNet 
>> (772) 564-6800 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- 
>> From: Jaime Solorza via Af > jaime%20solorza%20via%20af%20%3...@afmug.com %3e>> 
>> Reply-to: > 
>> To: Animal Farm > animal%20farm%20%3...@afmug.com %3e>>, Paul McCall < 
>> pa...@pdmnet.net <mailto:paul%20mccall%20%3cpa...@pdmnet.net 
>> %3e>> 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments 
>> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 20:09:24 + 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks 
>> 
>> Jaime Solorza 
>> On Sep 16, 2014 6:43 AM, "Paul McCall via Af"  
>> <mailto:af@afmug.com >> wrote: 
>> 
>>> Guys, 
>>> 
>>> We installed some updates in the middle of the night to fix the FROM 
>>> problem. There a couple tweaks that will be done today. My tech on the 
>>> project is now sleeping as we worked during the night. 
>>> 
>>> PLEASE BE PATIENT. 
>>> 
>>> Paul McCall, Pres. 
>>> PDMNet / Florida Broadband 
>>> 658 Old Dixie Highway 
>>> Vero Beach, FL 32962 
>>> 772-564-6800 office 
>>> 772-473-0352 cell 
>>> www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com><http://www.pdmnet.com/> 
>>> pa...@pdmnet.net <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net  
>>> <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net > 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG web site???

[Paul McCall via Af]

The afmug.com website is approximately the way it was before...  we actually 
fix some links and consolidated some wordpress links to make it work better.  
Admittedly, it wasn’t the highest on our list.  We will get with Chuck on it 
when time permits.

Again, as peer the web site main page, it still shows the same instructions to 
subscribe as before.  From the Home Page, Join the List is the right hand column

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 10:43 PM
To: Rick Kunze; Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG web site???

BFM!

Jaime Solorza
On Sep 16, 2014 10:14 AM, "Rick Kunze via Af"  wrote:

> There is no AFMUG web site?
>
> How do people subscribe to the list?
>
> Rk
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP AP mounting

[Paul McCall via Af]

You can buy a Cambium connectorized radio mount that you could probably work 
with for your situation

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 4:31 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP AP mounting

When I bought a 2.4 ePMP AP awhile ago, the Cambium sector antennas were out of 
stock, so I ended up buying a KP Performance sector antenna on somebody's 
recommendation.  Then that project got shelved for 3 monthsand I wish I had 
known that would happen because I would have just waited for the Cambium sector.

Here's my problem with the 3rd party antenna:  What do you mount the AP too?  
It's clearly designed to mount to the Cambium sector and not really to anything 
else.

And then what do you do with the little magnetic GPS antenna?  It fits into a 
pocket on the Cambium sector antenna that I don't have. Is it even weatherproof 
on its own?

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Paul McCall via Af]

Seth, 

I don’t disagree with what you are showing in your attachment.   However, the 
user by itself  doesn’t show as the From under Outlook or Gmail, which shows 
af@afmug.com  (on behalf of Josh Reynolds  ).  It simply 
shows the person's name as the sender (as it does now)

It is not immediately possible (or needed IMO) to show that "on behalf part" in 
the same way.   When you click Reply, it replies to AF@AFMUG.COM like it did 
before.

I think we are talking about subtle "shades" as far as that topic goes.  We 
haven’t looked at Thunderbird yet, and that may change our opinion..

One step at a time :)

Thanks for your continued input Seth!

Paul

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 11:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

On 9/16/14, 8:14 PM, Paul McCall via Af wrote:
> The From address  wasn’t the sender on the old list either.


Sure it was. The "From" header is very clearly the sender's email address. See 
attached screenshot of a random header sample.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Paul McCall via Af]

I wasn’t looking at the header info, I was only looking at what we normally see 
when using Outlook, or Gmail, or Hotmail or AOL.  Again, we will continue to 
look at the entire scope and aren’t trying to force anything down anybody's 
throat.

At this point though, to characterize the list as "broken" is a bit harsh, IMO

Respectfully, 

Paul

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 11:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

On 9/16/14, 8:14 PM, Paul McCall via Af wrote:
> However, the old list said did say something like this.@afmug.com; on 
> behalf of; Bill Prince   in the from.

Pulled a header sample for Bill; I don't agree, it looked like this (see 
attachment, no "on behalf of"). My educated opinion is that the new list is 
still broken.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Paul McCall via Af]

Thanks for the input.   The dust has not settled on it yet and we fully 
expected to deal with some of this when it went live :) 

There is a lot of thoughts, technical discussion, etc. that I could spent a lot 
of time on, but I want to be clear that we would rather focus time (at the 
moment anyways) looking at the different options on improving it.  Since we 
have had to "my mail  server is having trouble with your mail server" general 
connection issues, its not a huge deal for us to look at continued options.

Steady plodding (as the bible says), which in the tech business translates to 
persistence and patience (not necessarily in that order)

:)

Paul

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
Account) via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 3:04 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

I would argue "broken, but tolerable based on the use of SES in the middle".

The From: address should be the sender.
The Reply-To: address should be the list.

The way the headers are now you cannot see the email address of the sender at 
all.  This is wrong, but I'm not sure what they can do about it with the way it 
is currently architected.

SES being in the middle here is the problem.  SES requires a lot of specific 
items to ensure that it isn't used to send anonymous spam.  The most aggressive 
one being the requirement that each and every from address is verified on their 
amazon account.  And worse, it expects the
capitalization of those from addresses never to change, and so on.   SES in
the middle isn't the right architecture choice, but apparently it was necessary 
for some reason.

I'm expecting the realization that SES is actually charging per-message and for 
data transfer to lead to SES being pulled out of the equation one way
or another.   I have dug some and I sure don't see any way around the SES
pricing...

-forrest

On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:04 PM, Seth Mattinen via Af  wrote:

> On 9/16/14, 8:49 PM, Paul McCall via Af wrote:
>
>> At this point though, to characterize the list as "broken" is a bit 
>> harsh, IMO
>>
>
>
> I don't think I'm being harsh. The headers on this new list are 
> jumbled up in a way that's contrary to generally accepted mailing list 
> behavior. As a technical person it's plain broken; how clients 
> interpret the combination of headers with List-* headers to 
> pretty-print things for the end user is not an indication of "working".
>
> The yardstick for "fixed" vs. "broken" should not be how things appear 
> on the surface, but found in the headers. The References aren't 
> working to thread. The "From" header is wrong. The envelope sender 
> isn't the list manager. But if everyone accepts it then whatever, I won't 
> waste my energy.
>
> ~Seth
>

[AFMUG] FW: LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Paul McCall via Af]

Phoey... below, I mean to say  since we NOT had any of the  "my mail  server is 
having trouble with your mail server" general connection issues, its not a huge 
deal for us to look at continued options.  I hate it when I leave out a pretty 
important word.  

Maybe I need coffee, LOL:)

-Original Message-
From: Paul McCall 
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 8:33 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: RE: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Thanks for the input.   The dust has not settled on it yet and we fully 
expected to deal with some of this when it went live :) 

There is a lot of thoughts, technical discussion, etc. that I could spent a lot 
of time on, but I want to be clear that we would rather focus time (at the 
moment anyways) looking at the different options on improving it.  Since we 
have had to "my mail  server is having trouble with your mail server" general 
connection issues, its not a huge deal for us to look at continued options.

Steady plodding (as the bible says), which in the tech business translates to 
persistence and patience (not necessarily in that order)

:)

Paul

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
Account) via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 3:04 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

I would argue "broken, but tolerable based on the use of SES in the middle".

The From: address should be the sender.
The Reply-To: address should be the list.

The way the headers are now you cannot see the email address of the sender at 
all.  This is wrong, but I'm not sure what they can do about it with the way it 
is currently architected.

SES being in the middle here is the problem.  SES requires a lot of specific 
items to ensure that it isn't used to send anonymous spam.  The most aggressive 
one being the requirement that each and every from address is verified on their 
amazon account.  And worse, it expects the
capitalization of those from addresses never to change, and so on.   SES in
the middle isn't the right architecture choice, but apparently it was necessary 
for some reason.

I'm expecting the realization that SES is actually charging per-message and for 
data transfer to lead to SES being pulled out of the equation one way
or another.   I have dug some and I sure don't see any way around the SES
pricing...

-forrest

On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:04 PM, Seth Mattinen via Af  wrote:

> On 9/16/14, 8:49 PM, Paul McCall via Af wrote:
>
>> At this point though, to characterize the list as "broken" is a bit 
>> harsh, IMO
>>
>
>
> I don't think I'm being harsh. The headers on this new list are 
> jumbled up in a way that's contrary to generally accepted mailing list 
> behavior. As a technical person it's plain broken; how clients 
> interpret the combination of headers with List-* headers to 
> pretty-print things for the end user is not an indication of "working".
>
> The yardstick for "fixed" vs. "broken" should not be how things appear 
> on the surface, but found in the headers. The References aren't 
> working to thread. The "From" header is wrong. The envelope sender 
> isn't the list manager. But if everyone accepts it then whatever, I won't 
> waste my energy.
>
> ~Seth
>

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Paul McCall via Af]

Yes, I agree that was in the header.  I was referring to function (displayed 
FROM field and the replied TO field).  Sorry if I wasn’t clear.  That was part 
of a longer conversation that explained the context

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

I looked at the headers of an email Bill sent via the old list and here is the 
From: header:

From: Bill Prince 



-Original Message-
From: Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 10:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

The From address  wasn’t the sender on the old list either.

However, the old list said did say something like this...   af@afmug.com; on 
behalf of; Bill Prince   in the from.

Whereas the new list doesn’t show the .

For the moment, I believe that we will put that back in the body soon ... 
like this... --- [ Bill Prince  wrote ]




-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

I think he means that the From address isn't actually the sender of the e-mail.




- 
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



- Original Message -

From: "Paul McCall via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:53:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Matt,

I looked at all the threads for the past few hours, and I see who it is 
coming from each time.

However, it does not show their email address... we can add that back into 
the body of the message I believe. That is how we had it yesterday, but the 
upgrade "undid" that.

Thanks!

Paul

-Original Message- 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Unless you sign your name to the email, there isn't any way of seeing who 
its from.


On 09/16/2014 03:15 PM, Ryan Ray via Af wrote:
> Looks way better now. Thanks Paul
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 16, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
>
>> *slow clap*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> - 
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>>
>> From: "Curtis Brotherton via Af" >
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 3:34:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments
>>
>> I have also fixed the annoying 'Reply To' issue, where it was replying to
>> the original poster AND the list.
>>
>> It now only reply's to the list.
>> -- 
>> 
>> Curtis Brotherton
>> PDMNet
>> (772) 564-6800
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message- 
>> From: Jaime Solorza via Af > jaime%20solorza%20via%20af%20%3...@afmug.com %3e>>
>> Reply-to: >
>> To: Animal Farm > animal%20farm%20%3...@afmug.com %3e>>, Paul McCall <
>> pa...@pdmnet.net 
>> <mailto:paul%20mccall%20%3cpa...@pdmnet.net
>> %3e>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments
>> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 20:09:24 +
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> On Sep 16, 2014 6:43 AM, "Paul McCall via Af" > 
>> <mailto:af@afmug.com >> wrote:
>>
>>> Guys,
>>>
>>> We installed some updates in the middle of the night to fix the FROM
>>> problem. There a couple tweaks that will be done today. My tech on the
>>> project is now sleeping as we worked during the night.
>>>
>>> PLEASE BE PATIENT.
>>>
>>> Paul McCall, Pres.
>>> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>> 772-564-6800 office
>>> 772-473-0352 cell
>>> www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com><http://www.pdmnet.com/>
>>> pa...@pdmnet.net <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net 
>>> <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Paul McCall via Af]

What is WLM ?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Not sure what you mean by "displayed FROM field".

My email client (WLM) displays what's in the header, I would assume that's 
typical.  What else would it display?

I was responding to your statement that the From address wasn't the sender on 
the old list either.  It was.


-Original Message----- 
From: Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 8:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Yes, I agree that was in the header.  I was referring to function (displayed 
FROM field and the replied TO field).  Sorry if I wasn’t clear.  That was 
part of a longer conversation that explained the context

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

I looked at the headers of an email Bill sent via the old list and here is 
the From: header:

From: Bill Prince 



-Original Message-----
From: Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 10:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

The From address  wasn’t the sender on the old list either.

However, the old list said did say something like this...   af@afmug.com; on
behalf of; Bill Prince   in the from.

Whereas the new list doesn’t show the .

For the moment, I believe that we will put that back in the body soon ...
like this... --- [ Bill Prince  wrote ]




-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

I think he means that the From address isn't actually the sender of the 
e-mail.




- 
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



- Original Message -----

From: "Paul McCall via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:53:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Matt,

I looked at all the threads for the past few hours, and I see who it is
coming from each time.

However, it does not show their email address... we can add that back into
the body of the message I believe. That is how we had it yesterday, but the
upgrade "undid" that.

Thanks!

Paul

-Original Message- 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Unless you sign your name to the email, there isn't any way of seeing who
its from.


On 09/16/2014 03:15 PM, Ryan Ray via Af wrote:
> Looks way better now. Thanks Paul
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 16, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
>
>> *slow clap*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> - 
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>>
>> From: "Curtis Brotherton via Af" >
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 3:34:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments
>>
>> I have also fixed the annoying 'Reply To' issue, where it was replying to
>> the original poster AND the list.
>>
>> It now only reply's to the list.
>> -- 
>> 
>> Curtis Brotherton
>> PDMNet
>> (772) 564-6800
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message- 
>> From: Jaime Solorza via Af > jaime%20solorza%20via%20af%20%3...@afmug.com %3e>>
>> Reply-to: >
>> To: Animal Farm > animal%20farm%20%3...@afmug.com %3e>>, Paul McCall <
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>> <mailto:paul%20mccall%20%3cpa...@pdmnet.net
>> %3e>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments
>> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 20:09:24 +
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> On Sep 16, 2014 6:43 AM, "Paul McCall via Af" > 
>> <mailto:af@afmug.com >> wrote:
>>
>>> Guys,
>>>
>>> We installed some updates in the middle of the night to fix the FROM
>>> problem. There a couple tweaks that will be done today. My tech on the
>>> project is now sleeping as we worked during the night.
>>>
>>> PLEASE BE PATIENT.
>>>
>>> Paul McCall, Pres.
>>> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>> 772-564-6800 office
>>> 772-473-0352 cell
>>> www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com><http://www.pdmnet.com/>
>>> pa...@pdmnet.net <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net 
>>> <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Paul McCall via Af]

I googled it right after I clicked send.  "Google is your friend" is what I 
always tell my guys :)

Chuck, in your opinion, is WLM acting normally or acceptably as far as the list 
is concerned ?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Windows Live Mail.  It was what replaced Outlook Express.
I like it for most things.  But nothing is very good at gracefully handling my 
40 GB mail archive.

-Original Message-----
From: Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 7:53 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

What is WLM ?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Not sure what you mean by "displayed FROM field".

My email client (WLM) displays what's in the header, I would assume that's 
typical.  What else would it display?

I was responding to your statement that the From address wasn't the sender on 
the old list either.  It was.


-----Original Message- 
From: Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 8:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Yes, I agree that was in the header.  I was referring to function (displayed
FROM field and the replied TO field).  Sorry if I wasn’t clear.  That was
part of a longer conversation that explained the context

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

I looked at the headers of an email Bill sent via the old list and here is
the From: header:

From: Bill Prince 



-----Original Message-
From: Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 10:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

The From address  wasn’t the sender on the old list either.

However, the old list said did say something like this...   af@afmug.com; on
behalf of; Bill Prince   in the from.

Whereas the new list doesn’t show the .

For the moment, I believe that we will put that back in the body soon ...
like this... --- [ Bill Prince  wrote ]




-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

I think he means that the From address isn't actually the sender of the
e-mail.




- 
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



----- Original Message -

From: "Paul McCall via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:53:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Matt,

I looked at all the threads for the past few hours, and I see who it is
coming from each time.

However, it does not show their email address... we can add that back into
the body of the message I believe. That is how we had it yesterday, but the
upgrade "undid" that.

Thanks!

Paul

-Original Message- 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Unless you sign your name to the email, there isn't any way of seeing who
its from.


On 09/16/2014 03:15 PM, Ryan Ray via Af wrote:
> Looks way better now. Thanks Paul
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 16, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
>
>> *slow clap*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> - 
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>>
>> From: "Curtis Brotherton via Af" >
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 3:34:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments
>>
>> I have also fixed the annoying 'Reply To' issue, where it was replying to
>> the original poster AND the list.
>>
>> It now only reply's to the list.
>> -- 
>> 
>> Curtis Brotherton
>> PDMNet
>> (772) 564-6800
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message- 
>> From: Jaime Solorza via Af > jaime%20solorza%20via%20af%20%3...@afmug.com %3e>>
>> Reply-to: >
>> To: Animal Farm > animal%20farm%20%3...@afmug.com %3e>>, Paul McCall <
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>> <mailto:paul%20mccall%20%3cpa...@pdmnet.net
>> %3e>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments
&

Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

[Paul McCall via Af]

Yes, OK...  That's what I expected at this point :)

Was just trying to answer all the inquiries to make sure functionality was 
there.  Any other "issue" is out on the table, so back to work :)

-Paul

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Looks good to me.  But I did take a look at the message source and the actual 
true sender is not there like it used to be.

-Original Message-----
From: Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 8:02 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

I googled it right after I clicked send.  "Google is your friend" is what I 
always tell my guys :)

Chuck, in your opinion, is WLM acting normally or acceptably as far as the list 
is concerned ?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Windows Live Mail.  It was what replaced Outlook Express.
I like it for most things.  But nothing is very good at gracefully handling my 
40 GB mail archive.

-Original Message-----
From: Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 7:53 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

What is WLM ?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Not sure what you mean by "displayed FROM field".

My email client (WLM) displays what's in the header, I would assume that's 
typical.  What else would it display?

I was responding to your statement that the From address wasn't the sender on 
the old list either.  It was.


-----Original Message- 
From: Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 8:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Yes, I agree that was in the header.  I was referring to function (displayed
FROM field and the replied TO field).  Sorry if I wasn’t clear.  That was
part of a longer conversation that explained the context

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

I looked at the headers of an email Bill sent via the old list and here is
the From: header:

From: Bill Prince 



-Original Message-
From: Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 10:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

The From address  wasn’t the sender on the old list either.

However, the old list said did say something like this...   af@afmug.com; on
behalf of; Bill Prince   in the from.

Whereas the new list doesn’t show the .

For the moment, I believe that we will put that back in the body soon ...
like this... --- [ Bill Prince  wrote ]




-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

I think he means that the From address isn't actually the sender of the
e-mail.




- 
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



- Original Message -

From: "Paul McCall via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:53:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Matt,

I looked at all the threads for the past few hours, and I see who it is
coming from each time.

However, it does not show their email address... we can add that back into
the body of the message I believe. That is how we had it yesterday, but the
upgrade "undid" that.

Thanks!

Paul

-Original Message- 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments

Unless you sign your name to the email, there isn't any way of seeing who
its from.


On 09/16/2014 03:15 PM, Ryan Ray via Af wrote:
> Looks way better now. Thanks Paul
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 16, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
>
>> *slow clap*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> - 
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>>
>> From: "Curtis Brotherton via Af" >
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 3:34:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST: Overnight adjustments
>>
>> I have also fixed the annoying 'Repl

[AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

[Paul McCall via Af]

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

[Paul McCall via Af]

You guys crack me up!

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 12:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

I don't like fried pickles.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of James Howard via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

It seems to be bordering on libelous for someone to accuse us of not being able 
to stay on topic.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE


m. fried pickles.

- Original Message -
From: Jay Weekley via Af
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE


I like pickles. Does anyone else?

Adam Moffett via Af wrote:
>
> Test messages here never get ignored. Expect at least 4 replies saying 
> whether you passed or failed and possibly a hijack that turns the test 
> thread into some other conversation.
> (maybe this one is the hijack)
>
>>
>> Paul McCall, Pres.
>> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>> 772-564-6800 office
>> 772-473-0352 cell
>> www.pdmnet.com
>> pa...@pdmnet.net> ilto:pa...@pdmnet.net%3e>
>>
>
>
>


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Re: [AFMUG] registration

[Paul McCall via Af]

Just send an email to:   af-subscr...@afmug.com



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory 
Conaway via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 9:49 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] registration

How do I get a new user to register with the forum now?

 

Rory

Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

[Paul McCall via Af]

James,

OK, you responded, thus you must want a job with PDMNet / Florida Broadband !

 The pay isn't great, but the work hours are long :)   And, when most people 
have two feet of snow, we have two feet in the sand on the beach :)

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James 
Howard via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

There you go telling us what to do again!

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul 
McCall via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

IGNORE - unless you want a job

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof 
via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

I was thinking if the connection is using TLS, then connection caching wouldn't 
work anyway. But it seems I was misreading that Postfix document, it seems to 
say Postfix would not re-use the connection, but another MTA with a different 
software architecture maybe could.


-Original Message-
From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 7:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

Yes, TLS, and it has been this way since like.. ever. More years than I can 
remember anyway. What is/was Beehive running on, Qmail? Looking through my 
logs, coming from Beehive it was TLS as well. Coming from WISPA is TLS, too. 
What MTA is WISPA running?

The Postfix TLS/connection caching thing could be the problem. Maybe they're 
trying to hold the session open to deliver more messages? That seems like a 
Postfix problem to me. But that doesn't make sense because in all (normal) 
instances (WISPA, Beehive AF, Amazon AF), messages are coming in for each 
recipient (me and Mike are on the same lists) separately. Separate message ID 
and SMTP session for each recipient per message. The only thing different with 
Amazon is they seem to "forget"
to send a QUIT once in a while which Exim on my end says violates RFC, so 
whichever Amazon outbound MX it happens to be at the moment gets connection 
rate limited for bad commands.

I see tons and tons of connection rate limiting 'because of notquit:
command-timeout' in my log all from obvious spam hosts, besides the Amazon SES 
hosts anyway. So I do not want to ignore bad commands for obvious reasons.

I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong. But other messages for other Amazon 
services is doing the same thing. It's not just this list. It's Amazon. Maybe 
they're dropping the connection early without sending a QUIT because they are 
configured for impatience? I don't know.

On 9/17/2014 5:48 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
> George, are the SMTP connections to your mailserver using TLS? The 
> reason I ask has to do with SMTP connection caching.
> http://www.postfix.org/CONNECTION_CACHE_README.html
>
>
> -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) 
> via Af
> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 5:34 PM
> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
>
> In my case, it's not exactly greylisting, but something is happening 
> on Amazon's end that causing them to terminate SMTP sessions too early 
> or something like that. Overloading perhaps? Them not sending QUIT 
> seems to be the issue. RFCs say that's how you end a session. So 
> whatever, delayed. Meh. I'm not changing my end because we already get 
> enough crap. And because this is Exim & SpamAssassin on cPanel/WHM, 
> almost everything happens at the initial SMTP connection: RBL checks, 
> host rate limit checks, etc. As I said before, this wasn't happening 
> when AF was on Beehive's servers and it's not happening with the WISPA lists.
>
> I'm not trying to be bitchy or nitpicky, just trying to help Paul and 
> Curtis understand what's happening from my POV.
>
> On 9/17/2014 5:20 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
>> Received here at 11:59:41.
>>
>> Jay, I would look for something specific to your situation.
>>
>> Either Amazon just doesn't like you, or if you are doing greylisting, 
>> I would look at that as a possible cause.
>>
>> Greylisting defers delivery on purpose, forces the sending MTA to 
>> queue the message, and usually relies on the next attempt looking 
>> exactly the same including source IP. Amazon may not use the same 
>> source IP, it may come from a pool of MTAs. Big systems that do 
>> greylisting may incorporate a mechanism to learn what IP ranges 
>> belong to 

Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

[Paul McCall via Af]

Bill,

Since you responded, you want a job too?

Paul

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill 
Prince via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

bp

On 9/18/2014 8:21 AM, James Howard via Af wrote:
> I don't want a job!   I'd like to retire.. unfortunately the lottery 
> ticket I bought this weekend didn't pan out so I'm kind of stuck.  I think 
> Florida is a nice place to visit but I can't see myself living there.  
> Besides, I don't know how far down your sand goes but there are lots of 
> winters when we have WAY more than 2 feet of snow!  The winter before last I 
> got the plow truck stuck when I was plowing our front sidewalk.  The snow was 
> over the windows on both sides of the truck and I had a pile about 5 feet 
> high in front that I was trying to push.
>
> You just can't have that kind of fun on sand!
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
> Paul McCall via Af
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 10:10 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
>
> James,
>
> OK, you responded, thus you must want a job with PDMNet / Florida Broadband !
>
> The pay isn't great, but the work hours are long :) And, when most 
> people have two feet of snow, we have two feet in the sand on the 
> beach :)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
> James Howard via Af
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:06 AM
> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
>
> There you go telling us what to do again!
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
> Paul McCall via Af
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:51 AM
> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
>
> IGNORE - unless you want a job
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
> Ken Hohhof via Af
> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:06 PM
> To: 
> af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug
> .com%3e>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
>
> I was thinking if the connection is using TLS, then connection caching 
> wouldn't work anyway. But it seems I was misreading that Postfix document, it 
> seems to say Postfix would not re-use the connection, but another MTA with a 
> different software architecture maybe could.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 7:57 PM
> To: 
> af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug
> .com%3e>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
>
> Yes, TLS, and it has been this way since like.. ever. More years than I can 
> remember anyway. What is/was Beehive running on, Qmail? Looking through my 
> logs, coming from Beehive it was TLS as well. Coming from WISPA is TLS, too. 
> What MTA is WISPA running?
>
> The Postfix TLS/connection caching thing could be the problem. Maybe they're 
> trying to hold the session open to deliver more messages? That seems like a 
> Postfix problem to me. But that doesn't make sense because in all (normal) 
> instances (WISPA, Beehive AF, Amazon AF), messages are coming in for each 
> recipient (me and Mike are on the same lists) separately. Separate message ID 
> and SMTP session for each recipient per message. The only thing different 
> with Amazon is they seem to "forget"
> to send a QUIT once in a while which Exim on my end says violates RFC, so 
> whichever Amazon outbound MX it happens to be at the moment gets connection 
> rate limited for bad commands.
>
> I see tons and tons of connection rate limiting 'because of notquit:
> command-timeout' in my log all from obvious spam hosts, besides the Amazon 
> SES hosts anyway. So I do not want to ignore bad commands for obvious reasons.
>
> I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong. But other messages for other Amazon 
> services is doing the same thing. It's not just this list. It's Amazon. Maybe 
> they're dropping the connection early without sending a QUIT because they are 
> configured for impatience? I don't know.
>
> On 9/17/2014 5:48 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
>> George, are the SMTP connections to your mailserver using TLS? The 
>> reason I ask has to do with SMTP connection caching.
>> http://www.postfix.org/CONNECTION_CACHE_README.html
>>
>>
>> -Original Me

Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

[Paul McCall via Af]

We are looking at that right now :)

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James 
Howard via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

I also tried inserting an image inline.  My message never came through either.  
I'm guessing it's not related to the email client but I'm using Outlook 2010.

Yes, I've watched B&W tv (and Pleasantville also).  I don't remember ever not 
having a color tv when I was growing up but we did have a B&W also.  I think we 
hooked our first pong (or whatever) video game to it.

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken 
Hohhof via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 1:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

I just tried sending another test email with an inline image. It disappeared 
into some kind of email Bermuda Triangle. Of course the only way to send such 
an email is to use HTML format. But if I do that without the inline image, it 
just gets converted to plain text and sent out to the list. Kind of like 
watching a color program on an old monochrome TV.
Discard chrominance, forward luminance. OK, how many people here other than 
Chuck have even seen a B&W TV? Remember the movie Pleasantville?


-Original Message-
From: Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

That would be Gino (off the top of my head). Anyone heard from Gino in the last 
few days?

bp

On 9/18/2014 10:25 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
> At least your email came through, minus the image.
> When I have tried to send emails with inline images, the whole email 
> has just silently disappeared into the void.
> I was wondering what was going to happen with the people who have 
> images (like logos) in their signatures.
>
> -Original Message- From: Bill Prince via Af
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:06 PM
> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
>
> Friggin, fraggin no HTML got me again...
>
> bp
>
> On 9/18/2014 9:44 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
>> bp
>>
>> On 9/18/2014 8:21 AM, James Howard via Af wrote:
>>> I don't want a job! I'd like to retire.. unfortunately the 
>>> lottery ticket I bought this weekend didn't pan out so I'm kind of 
>>> stuck. I think Florida is a nice place to visit but I can't see 
>>> myself living there. Besides, I don't know how far down your sand 
>>> goes but there are lots of winters when we have WAY more than 2 feet 
>>> of snow! The winter before last I got the plow truck stuck when I 
>>> was plowing our front sidewalk. The snow was over the windows on 
>>> both sides of the truck and I had a pile about 5 feet high in front 
>>> that I was trying to push.
>>>
>>> You just can't have that kind of fun on sand!
>>>
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Paul McCall via Af
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 10:10 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
>>>
>>> James,
>>>
>>> OK, you responded, thus you must want a job with PDMNet / Florida 
>>> Broadband !
>>>
>>> The pay isn't great, but the work hours are long :) And, when most 
>>> people have two feet of snow, we have two feet in the sand on the 
>>> beach :)
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
>>> James Howard via Af
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:06 AM
>>> To: 
>>> af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afm
>>> ug.com%3e>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
>>>
>>> There you go telling us what to do again!
>>>
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Paul McCall via Af
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:51 AM
>>> To: 
>>> af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afm
>>> ug.com%3e>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE
>>>
>>> IGNORE - unless you want a job
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
>>> Ken Hohhof via Af
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:06 PM
>>> To:
>>> af@afmug.com<mailto:

[AFMUG] TESTING: PLEASE IGNORE - Yeah Right !

[Paul McCall via Af]

Inserting a graphic...

[file:/Sbserver/MainData/pdmnet/Business%20Development/Marketing/Nader/Logos/PDMNet/logo.jpg]

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] TESTING: PLEASE IGNORE - Yeah Right !

[Paul McCall via Af]

Just a learning curve on Mailman filters… we wanted to still filter out obvious 
bad stuff if possible, yet let normal good stuff through.

I know we are NOT the content police but if we could possibly reduce Spammers 
doing bad things, we wanted to.

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof 
via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TESTING: PLEASE IGNORE - Yeah Right !

Well, aren’t you special.  And big!

From: Paul McCall via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 1:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] TESTING: PLEASE IGNORE - Yeah Right !

Inserting a graphic…

[file:/Sbserver/MainData/pdmnet/Business%20Development/Marketing/Nader/Logos/PDMNet/logo.jpg]

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>

Re: [AFMUG] TESTING: PLEASE IGNORE - Yeah Right !

[Paul McCall via Af]

What kind of image was that Ryan?

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Ray 
via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 3:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TESTING: PLEASE IGNORE - Yeah Right !

[X]

On Thursday, September 18, 2014, Bill Prince via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Don't need to shout Paul.


bp
On 9/18/2014 11:46 AM, Paul McCall via Af wrote:
Inserting a graphic…

[file:/Sbserver/MainData/pdmnet/Business%20Development/Marketing/Nader/Logos/PDMNet/logo.jpg]

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/>
pa...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] battery tester

[Paul McCall via Af]

They are part of the Taliban language set I think

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh 
Reynolds via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 3:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] battery tester

I'm very intrigued by these unusual characters I'm seeing in Randy's emails.

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
On 09/18/2014 11:32 AM, Randy Cosby via Af wrote:
Sorry if I wasn't clear.� I meant the "automotive type battery 
testers."�� I'm looking for something more appropriate for solar batteries.
On 9/18/2014 1:20 PM, David via Af wrote:
Automotive batteries would degrade rapidly depending on what region your in.
We use only AGM for our area.
On 09/18/2014 02:06 PM, Randy Cosby via Af wrote:
Does anyone have a recommended battery tester for AGM and Gel batteries at 
solar sites?� I have batteries from 100AH to 225AH.� Most of the automotive 
models seem to be concerned with cold cranking amps, pretty irrelevant for us.


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Re: [AFMUG] battery tester

[Paul McCall via Af]

まあ、少なくともそのこと和食

Paul ☺

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James 
Howard via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] battery tester

It doesn’t appear to like double spaces. Apparently takes much longer for the 
message to come through as well. I guess this tells us which side of the 
discussion Paul was on about 2 spaces after a period!

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill 
Prince via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 3:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] battery tester

What� happens� if� you� only� use� double� spaces?

bp
On 9/18/2014 1:33 PM, Randy Cosby via Af wrote:
Weird, Does this just happen on double� spaces?
On 9/18/2014 2:31 PM, Randy Cosby via Af wrote:
Nope, PC -� Thunderbird.
On 9/18/2014 2:22 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
You must be on a Mac.� Those things always seem to be inserting weird 
characters.


bp
On 9/18/2014 12:32 PM, Randy Cosby via Af wrote:
Sorry if I wasn't clear.� I meant the "automotive type battery 
testers."�� I'm looking for something more appropriate for solar batteries.
On 9/18/2014 1:20 PM, David via Af wrote:
Automotive batteries would degrade rapidly depending on what region your in.
We use only AGM for our area.
On 09/18/2014 02:06 PM, Randy Cosby via Af wrote:
Does anyone have a recommended battery tester for AGM and Gel batteries at 
solar sites?� I have batteries from 100AH to 225AH.� Most of the automotive 
models seem to be concerned with cold cranking amps, pretty irrelevant for us.

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Re: [AFMUG] New toy

[Paul McCall via Af]

Awesome Jaime,

How much ?  which model?

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime 
Solorza via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 10:35 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] New toy


We picked this up in Dallas at Hilti shop for 1k.  Brand new!!!  Drove 10 ft 
grounding rod in less than a minute.  My trusty fence pole driver will always 
be in my work truck just in case.

Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] New toy

[Paul McCall via Af]

So, you paid $ 1000 for it ?  that’s a great price. This was new?   If so,  I 
would like to buy one at the same price.

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime 
Solorza via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:17 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New toy


TE 700 AVR.   Sales guy started at 1500.00.   Boss said too much
Dropped to 1200.00. Boss offered 1000.00!   Today was its maiden voyage  lots 
of power

Jaime Solorza
On Sep 18, 2014 8:50 PM, "Paul McCall via Af" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Awesome Jaime,

How much ?  which model?

From: Af 
[mailto:af-bounces+paulm<mailto:af-bounces%2Bpaulm>=pdmnet@afmug.com<mailto:pdmnet@afmug.com>]
 On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 10:35 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] New toy


We picked this up in Dallas at Hilti shop for 1k.  Brand new!!!  Drove 10 ft 
grounding rod in less than a minute.  My trusty fence pole driver will always 
be in my work truck just in case.

Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny

[Paul McCall via Af]

Ouch!

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory 
Conaway via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 9:37 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Friday Funny

This guy brings his best mate home, unannounced, for dinner at 6:30, after work.

His wife screams her head off while his friend sits open mouthed and listens to 
the tirade...
"My bloody hair & makeup are not done, the house is a f** mess, the dishes 
aren't done.
Can't you see I'm still in my f** pyjamas and I can't be bothered with 
cooking tonight!
Why the f*** did you bring him home unannounced you stupid idiot?"

"Because he's thinking of getting married."

Rory

Re: [AFMUG] empty messages

[Paul McCall via Af]

--- [ Paul McCall  wrote ]:
---
We see it and are diagnosing it :)

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tyler 
Treat via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 3:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] empty messages

--- [ Tyler Treat  wrote ]:
---
mine are empty in Office365 and normal on iphone
weird.

From: Af  on behalf of Bill 
Prince via Af 
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 2:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] empty messages

--- [ Bill Prince  wrote ]:
---
Hrrrmmm.  Not empty ones.  But new messages all have the "From" posted on the 
first line.  That's an improvement!

bp

On 9/19/2014 12:42 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:
> --- [ "Rory Conaway"  wrote ]:
> ---
> I'm getting a boatload of empty messages.  Just letting you know.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On 
> Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af
> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 12:28 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.
>
> --- [ Chris Wright  wrote ]:
> ---
>

Re: [AFMUG] Can you fix it Paul?!?!?!?

[Paul McCall via Af]

--- [ Paul McCall  wrote ]:
---
ABSOLUTELY !!! :)

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James 
Howard via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 3:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Can you fix it Paul?!?!?!?

--- [ James Howard  wrote ]:
---
All the other stuff that was being complained about didn't bother me at all 
(mostly because I was on vacation and it just caused a few hundred more 
messages to end up in my inbox instead of being moved by the rules).  This 
issue with the messages either coming in empty for some people or having the 
actual message in attachments is awful though!   

Seriously though, thanks for all the work that you're doing on getting the list 
moved over and up to snuff!

James Howard
LiteWire Internet Services, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] TVWS Alive or Dead? Was: Re: Dear Cambium

[Paul McCall via Af]

AP cost ?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt 
Jenkins via Af
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 8:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TVWS Alive or Dead? Was: Re: Dear Cambium

I think its 350 each + Antenna.

Matthew Jenkins
SmarterBroadband
m...@sbbinc.net
530.272.4000

On 09/20/2014 05:23 PM, Jason McKemie via Af wrote:
> What is the CPE cost on the Runcom gear?
>
> On Saturday, September 20, 2014, Matt Jenkins via Af  > wrote:
>
> You don't need WiMAX/LTE voodoo for TVWS. Sure there are some
> advantages but there are also disadvantages. What you do need is a
> tight enough spectral mask and the TX power.
>
> Runcom already had a WiMAX product that operated from 700mhz to
> 5ghz built on an SDR designed to use 5mhz or 6mhz channels and
> supported channel bonding. They were able to modify their existing
> product to work within TVWS frequencies. Using 5mhz channels (or
> 10mhz for channel bonding) they were able to meet the spectral
> mask requirements for TVWS. Their product already had a call home
> feature for a central management system. I wouldn't be surprised
> if they leveraged most of that design to work with the database.
> They didn't have to bring an entirely new product to market.
>
> One of the other major consideration is TX power. Fixed stations
> can transmit 30dbm and have a 6db antenna (36db EIRP). There isn't
> a lot of antenna gain available without getting very large. So
> radios need to have very high TX power built in. If Cambium were
> to build a 450 product they would need to reevaluate their stance
> on TX power. I would want to see a radio with at least 28db of TX
> power available.
>
> 900mhz, even in clean spectrum, still doesn't provide the coverage
> a lot of this county needs to reach the rural areas. TVWS can go
> as low as 470mhz. Even the upper channels around 600mhz have
> significantly more foliage penetration than that of 900mhz.
>
> I would like to see a DSSS product whereby an AP can TX on two or
> four combined channels and RX on a different single channel.
>
>
>
> Matthew Jenkins
> SmarterBroadband
> m...@sbbinc.net
> 530.272.4000
>
> On 09/20/2014 12:43 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
>
> I’m not sure why TVWS has to be based on WiMAX or LTE. Seems
> to me you need 4 things:
> - comply with the spectral mask including guardbands
> - work with the spectrum database
> - bond non-adjacent 6 MHz channels (preferably more than 2)
> - connectorized for an external antenna
> It will be interesting how close the FCC rules for 3550-3650
> follow TVWS.  If they are similar, and Cambium modifies their
> 3650 version of PMP450, that might be the critical mass for
> them to look at a TVWS version.  That assumes they could meet
> the spectrum mask and do channel bonding.  I don’t think
> there’s any obvious reason to an outsider why that would not
> be possible.
> I know, you’re going to say that you need the WiMAX/LTE
> voodoo.  But do you?  If you are just trying to go through
> trees, and you can operate at a frequency where the trees
> become translucent to RF, isn’t that enough voodoo?  We’re not
> trying to do mobile voice+data with call handoffs and
> multipath from urban clutter.  Let’s face it, if 900 MHz had
> enough spectrum for wider channels and wasn’t all polluted
> from FHSS mesh stuff like smartgrid, it would be fine without
> any magical supersauce from the cellular world.
> Maybe I’m wrong about the spectral mask, if the adjacent
> channel interference requirement is too tight to meet with DSP
> techniques alone.  But with an SDR platform you’d certainly
> have an advantage over trying to do it with a WiFi chipset.
> Maybe Ubiquiti’s airPrism technology is an attempt to move in
> that direction, although that seems to be on the rcv side.
> *From:* Mike Hammett via Af 
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 20, 2014 2:11 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] TVWS Alive or Dead? Was: Re: Dear Cambium
> It's not great, but not as bad as you think. Only the NE most
> portion of your network doesn't have at least two channels
> available. That's all Runcom needs.
>
> It's not significantly more expensive than the PMP platform
> and delivers more (throughput and range) than PMP in 900.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> 
>  omputingSolutionsDeKalb>

Re: [AFMUG] List buggies that bug me

[Paul McCall via Af]

We are still looking at that issue :)

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sam Lambie 
via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 8:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List buggies that bug me

Happens to me as well on iphone. 

Sucks. 

Sam Lambie
Wireless Internet Technician
www.taosnet.com
575.758.7598

> On Sep 23, 2014, at 6:00 AM, David Milholen via Af  wrote:
> 
> Threads are not consolidating as threads but instead splattered up and down 
> list.
>  I am sure this is a thunderbird issue and not a filter issue with the list.
> 
>  
> -- 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] routing to/from 169.254.0.0

[Paul McCall via Af]

You guys are making this hard I think

Hang a 168.254.x.x IP on the Tik interface.
Telnet from the Tik to the Canopy radio
Change its IP through telnet   ip -1   123.123.123.50 (or whatever)
Change its netmask through telnet   netmask -1 255.255.255.0 (or whatever)
Change its gateway through telnet  netgateway 123.123.123.1 (or whatever)

reboot through telnet reset

Paul



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill 
Prince via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:58 AM
To: Motorola III
Subject: [AFMUG] routing to/from 169.254.0.0


Is there a way to route to/from a Cambium radio that is on the default IP 
(169.254.1.1) through a Mikrotik?  I think the issue is that the default 
configuration does not have a gateway.  So it doesn't know the way back.

I put the interface on the MT on 169.254.1.3/16, but don't get replies unless I 
go directly from the MT.

--
bp

Re: [AFMUG] routing to/from 169.254.0.0

[Paul McCall via Af]

Yeah, I love all the Mikrotik “tricks” to accomplish these type things, but 
sometimes I struggle at always being successful.

In this case, telneting directly from the tik takes about one minute (OK, two 
if you take your time) and then you are done

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike 
Hammett via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 2:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] routing to/from 169.254.0.0

When you're accessing an IP address on another subnet and the gateway isn't 
properly set, you need to use SRCNAT and DSTNAT.


Someone earlier said to set the 169.254.x.x IP on the MT and to then telnet 
from the MT. That's the least complicated way.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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From: "Bill Prince via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 1:13:44 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] routing to/from 169.254.0.0
For some reason, that's not working either.

Got the PTP650 on ether9  on the MT.  Ether9 gets IP 169.254.1.3/16.

I created a reachable address on the local interface (192.168.222.199).

Then I added the dst-nat:

/ip firewall nat add chain=dstnat action=dst-nat dst-address=192.168.222.199 
to-address=169.254.1.1

I ping the 192.168.222.199 address from a PC on the local network, but nothing 
happens.  Torching the port on the MT shows nothing happening on any IP on that 
port (except discovery).

bp
On 9/23/2014 10:18 AM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote:

OMG Bill. You *have* to learn how to DST-NAT.  Great for programming Canopy 
radios and best get-me-out-of-this-jam rescue trick EVVVER.  Access any device 
on any MT router anywhere—even when not routable.  No VPN required.  No need 
for Telnet tunneling.



First put the SM on a MT interface and assign 169.254.1.2/16



Two variants to pick from:



Add a new [reachable_address] on the MT that you don't need for anything else 
then:

/ip fire nat add chain=dstnat action=dst-nat 
dst-address=[reachable_address] to-address=169.254.1.1

   Then http://[reachable_address] to get to the SM



Or use an existing MT address and map from an unused port like this:

/ip fire nat add chain=dstnat action=dst-nat 
dst-address=[reachable_address] dst-port=8169 to-address=169.254.1.1 to-port=80

   Then http://[reachable_address]:8169 to get  to the SM





PC

Blaze Broadband





> -Original Message-

> From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+pconlin=blazebroadband@afmug.com] On Behalf

> Of Bill Prince via Af

> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 12:44 PM

> To: af@afmug.com

> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] routing to/from 169.254.0.0

>

> I think netmap will do what I need.  I "think" I can netmap the

> 169.254.1.1 IP address to an unused IP on my local network.  Not sure how 
> netmap

> actually works, but I'll give it a rip.

>

> bp

>

> On 9/23/2014 9:11 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:

> > Doesn't work if I change the MT address to 169.254.1.3/24 either.

> > Packets go out, but don't come back.

> >

> > bp

> >

> > On 9/23/2014 9:05 AM, Larry Smith via Af wrote:

> >> On Tue September 23 2014 10:58, Bill Prince via Af wrote:

> >>> Is there a way to route to/from a Cambium radio that is on the

> >>> default IP (169.254.1.1) through a Mikrotik?  I think the issue is

> >>> that the default configuration does not have a gateway.  So it

> >>> doesn't know the way back.

> >>>

> >>> I put the interface on the MT on 169.254.1.3/16, but don't get

> >>> replies unless I go directly from the MT.

> >> Believe the Cambium default is 169.254.1.1/24 (255.255.255.0 netmask)

> >> and your /16 (255.255.0.0) is broadcasting on the wrong address for

> >> the radio to "see" you.

> >>

> >

> >

Re: [AFMUG] Not bad for a 24 mile ptmp link

[Paul McCall via Af]

We had one like that Craig.  26.9 miles - 5700BH20 - started with P8s in 2003.  
 later upgraded to P10s on 2011, recently upgrade to something else.

It was at 310 ft at one end and 260 ft at the other.  VERY strong link... -62  
and never any problems.  Oh, the good ol' days

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig 
House via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Not bad for a 24 mile ptmp link

-56 23 plus miles  Been this way for 7 years.  Never even touched it.

[AFMUG] Standoff question, rule of thumb, etc.

[Paul McCall via Af]

Over the years we have employed different philosophies on mounting sectors to 
towers.  Our reference point was the Moto 100 series connectorized radios with 
sectors.  We started out with 18" standoffs on a Rohn 25G tower, because some 
"smart guy" suggested that was what we needed.  Another smart guy suggested 
24", so some of them were done like that.  Then, someone else suggested that we 
really didn't need standoffs at all, that they could be mounted each on a leg 
of the tower and we would be fine.  (we always ran 3   120 sector/AP 
configuration per tower in 2.4 Ghz).  As far as difference that we could 
measure, we found no difference in AP to SM performance when we measured at any 
distance of connection.  Maybe we were missing something, but anyway, we 
settled on mounting them directly on the tower leg.

Moving forward to today.  We have been installing the ePMP 2.4 series instead 
of 100 series 2.4s.The installation techs mounted them back to back, with 
North/South on one frequency (Front/Back Frequency Reuse configuration) and 
East/West on the other frequency.  One of the 4 sectors had to have a custom 
mounting bar made to replace the short stubby one that comes with the sector, 
thus allowing the 2 sectors (North and East at 90 degree offset) to be put on 
one leg right near each other.  Again, this is Frequency Re-use a bit of a 
different scenario.

Anyway, today in working with Cambium, they told us we need to have at least 3 
ft of vertical separation between each radio on the same frequency, so North 
and East could be at one level (dif. Frequencies) and South and West would be 
vertically separated.  Alrighty then :) .  so we have 6 towers to go move 
things around on.  We are going to some test tomorrow on the first tower to see 
exactly how much separation yields us how much F/B isolation.  Using ePMP 
eDetect feature, that should be pretty easy to see.

OKso here is where I want opinions.  Really I'd like "expert advice", but I 
will settle for opinions :)

How far "should" these sectors be "stood off" from the tower, if at all?   I am 
not expecting to be able to measure any difference with the F/B ratio data, so 
its back to this is "all theory".Is the standoff question a front to back 
issue at all, or a "we want the metal" sector away from the metal tower a 
little bit?

Paul





Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] Standoff question, rule of thumb, etc.

[Paul McCall via Af]

Yeah, my question was just about the stand-offs only

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter 
Kranz via Af
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 2:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Standoff question, rule of thumb, etc.

"have at least 3 ft of vertical separation between each radio on the same 
frequency"

Notice they are saying vertical here.. standoffs are not involved.. They are 
trying to ensure that one radio in RX mode does not see the TX energy of the 
other radio.. if they are sync'd these rules should not be necessary..

Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun

[Paul McCall via Af]

I met Doc a couple years ago at a music conference  He still plays regularly, 
has a beautiful, much younger wife and is still quite the character !

[https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/t31.0-8/p417x417/471835_3947161194611_1355780645_o.jpg]

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill 
Prince via Af
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 6:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun

Probably.  Wasn't he the band master for Johny Carson?


bp
On 9/26/2014 2:48 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
He has to be near 90.  He still plays the trumpet?  Or is he a bandleader?

From: Jaime Solorza via Af
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 4:32 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun


Damn.  Thats awesome.Heard he joined Ides of March on Vehicle last year
If u can take some pics.

Jaime Solorza
On Sep 26, 2014 12:09 PM, "Chuck McCown via Af" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Going to see Doc Severinsen play tonight.

Anybody gonna top that!

Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun

[Paul McCall via Af]

Double C’s are part of my daily warm-up Chuck.

But, there are some guys that are just amazing… Doc being on my short list of 
trumpet players in that list… Maynard Ferguson and Harry James are the other 
biggies.

Glad that you got to hear Doc !

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck 
McCown via Af
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 12:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun

Yes?  Made my lips bleed in empathy.  I only hit a double high C scale one time 
in my life.

From: Jeremy Grip via Af
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 5:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun

Still hittin’ double-high C’s?? ( Sorry--old trumpet player here).

Jeremy Grip

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime 
Solorza via Af
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 7:21 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun


Yep.  Hope you hear him play McArthurs Park.He is close to 90 by now

Jaime Solorza
On Sep 26, 2014 4:14 PM, "Bill Prince via Af" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Probably.  Wasn't he the band master for Johny Carson?

bp
On 9/26/2014 2:48 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
He has to be near 90.  He still plays the trumpet?  Or is he a bandleader?

From: Jaime Solorza via Af
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 4:32 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun


Damn.  Thats awesome.Heard he joined Ides of March on Vehicle last year
If u can take some pics.

Jaime Solorza
On Sep 26, 2014 12:09 PM, "Chuck McCown via Af" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Going to see Doc Severinsen play tonight.

Anybody gonna top that!

Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun

[Paul McCall via Af]

Yes, that one…   I just did my warmups for tonight and recorded it for you on 
my Mac with Quicktime, but I don’t think the MIME attachment type allows for 
attachments to the list.  If not, I will send it to your personal

I will try that later …   headed out the door  for the gig!

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck 
McCown via Af
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 6:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun

I am talking about two octaves above the C on the staff.  Is that what you are 
talking about?

Cause that is pretty danged high.   Three full octaves above the C below the 
staff.  If so, impressive indeed.  I was only reliable over two octaves.

I have also heard Maynard Ferguson in concert.

From: Paul McCall via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 3:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun

Double C’s are part of my daily warm-up Chuck.

But, there are some guys that are just amazing… Doc being on my short list of 
trumpet players in that list… Maynard Ferguson and Harry James are the other 
biggies.

Glad that you got to hear Doc !

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck 
McCown via Af
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 12:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun

Yes?  Made my lips bleed in empathy.  I only hit a double high C scale one time 
in my life.

From: Jeremy Grip via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 5:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun

Still hittin’ double-high C’s?? ( Sorry--old trumpet player here).

Jeremy Grip

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime 
Solorza via Af
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 7:21 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun


Yep.  Hope you hear him play McArthurs Park.He is close to 90 by now

Jaime Solorza
On Sep 26, 2014 4:14 PM, "Bill Prince via Af" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Probably.  Wasn't he the band master for Johny Carson?

bp
On 9/26/2014 2:48 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
He has to be near 90.  He still plays the trumpet?  Or is he a bandleader?

From: Jaime Solorza via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 4:32 PM
To: Animal Farm<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun


Damn.  Thats awesome.Heard he joined Ides of March on Vehicle last year
If u can take some pics.

Jaime Solorza
On Sep 26, 2014 12:09 PM, "Chuck McCown via Af" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Going to see Doc Severinsen play tonight.

Anybody gonna top that!

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 in 3.55?

[Paul McCall via Af]

I would say that is likely Jeremy.

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy 
Grip via Af
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 8:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] PMP450 in 3.55?

I notice looking at PMP450 specs that there are two separate units in 3GHz, one 
for 3300-3600 and one for 3550-3800. Does that mean we’re liable to be able to 
utilize the lower 100 when (if?) we get shared 3550-3650 on that platform?  
They’d be able to implement robust compliant DFS on it—it’s an SDR, right?

Jeremy Grip
North Branch Networks, LLC

Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun

[Paul McCall via Af]

For you Chuck... attempting to attach an .m4a file for you

From: Af [af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] on behalf of Jeremy Grip via 
Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 8:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun

MF! MF! MF! (never heard him live, alas)………..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47uuEYv-C7o



From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck 
McCown via Af
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 6:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun

I am talking about two octaves above the C on the staff.  Is that what you are 
talking about?

Cause that is pretty danged high.   Three full octaves above the C below the 
staff.  If so, impressive indeed.  I was only reliable over two octaves.

I have also heard Maynard Ferguson in concert.

From: Paul McCall via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 3:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun

Double C’s are part of my daily warm-up Chuck.

But, there are some guys that are just amazing… Doc being on my short list of 
trumpet players in that list… Maynard Ferguson and Harry James are the other 
biggies.

Glad that you got to hear Doc !

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck 
McCown via Af
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 12:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun

Yes?  Made my lips bleed in empathy.  I only hit a double high C scale one time 
in my life.

From: Jeremy Grip via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 5:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun

Still hittin’ double-high C’s?? ( Sorry--old trumpet player here).

Jeremy Grip

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime 
Solorza via Af
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 7:21 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun


Yep.  Hope you hear him play McArthurs Park.He is close to 90 by now

Jaime Solorza
On Sep 26, 2014 4:14 PM, "Bill Prince via Af" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Probably.  Wasn't he the band master for Johny Carson?

bp
On 9/26/2014 2:48 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
He has to be near 90.  He still plays the trumpet?  Or is he a bandleader?

From: Jaime Solorza via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 4:32 PM
To: Animal Farm<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun


Damn.  Thats awesome.Heard he joined Ides of March on Vehicle last year
If u can take some pics.

Jaime Solorza
On Sep 26, 2014 12:09 PM, "Chuck McCown via Af" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Going to see Doc Severinsen play tonight.

Anybody gonna top that!

Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun

[Paul McCall via Af]

OK, that didn't work... I should complain to the list sysop !  :)

Will send it your wbmfg address.

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul 
McCall via Af
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 9:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun

For you Chuck... attempting to attach an .m4a file for you

From: Af [af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] on behalf of Jeremy Grip via 
Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 8:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun
MF! MF! MF! (never heard him live, alas)...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47uuEYv-C7o



From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck 
McCown via Af
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 6:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun

I am talking about two octaves above the C on the staff.  Is that what you are 
talking about?

Cause that is pretty danged high.   Three full octaves above the C below the 
staff.  If so, impressive indeed.  I was only reliable over two octaves.

I have also heard Maynard Ferguson in concert.

From: Paul McCall via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 3:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun

Double C's are part of my daily warm-up Chuck.

But, there are some guys that are just amazing... Doc being on my short list of 
trumpet players in that list... Maynard Ferguson and Harry James are the other 
biggies.

Glad that you got to hear Doc !

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck 
McCown via Af
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 12:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun

Yes?  Made my lips bleed in empathy.  I only hit a double high C scale one time 
in my life.

From: Jeremy Grip via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 5:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun

Still hittin' double-high C's?? ( Sorry--old trumpet player here).

Jeremy Grip

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime 
Solorza via Af
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 7:21 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun


Yep.  Hope you hear him play McArthurs Park.He is close to 90 by now

Jaime Solorza
On Sep 26, 2014 4:14 PM, "Bill Prince via Af" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Probably.  Wasn't he the band master for Johny Carson?

bp
On 9/26/2014 2:48 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
He has to be near 90.  He still plays the trumpet?  Or is he a bandleader?

From: Jaime Solorza via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 4:32 PM
To: Animal Farm<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun


Damn.  Thats awesome.Heard he joined Ides of March on Vehicle last year
If u can take some pics.

Jaime Solorza
On Sep 26, 2014 12:09 PM, "Chuck McCown via Af" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Going to see Doc Severinsen play tonight.

Anybody gonna top that!

Re: [AFMUG] missing part on Canopy SM

[Paul McCall via Af]

Gerard is correct.  An SM will function without it, though it makes the 
Ethernet less than protected from basic transient surges (even little ones).

I would suggest replacing it

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gerard 
Dupont III via Af
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] missing part on Canopy SM

It's a Transient Voltage Suppressor. I haven't tested others, but I know 100 
will function just fine without it. In a pinch I remove them to fix ethernet 
errors. I think this is the right part number if you wanted to replace it. 
RCLAMP0504FCT

Gerard


On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 10:19 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Anybody know what that little 6-leaded SMD is between the RJ45 jack and the 
Ethernet transformer on the PCB of a Canopy SM?  We bought a used SM that 
doesn't work (it lights up and seems to be trying) and that part is missing. I 
don't think it's optional.  But is its absence causing the problems?  Or just 
an indication that a tech didn't finish repairing it and mistakenly marked it 
as tested and good?

If it's a surge protection component, it seems too small to do much good.

Re: [AFMUG] missing part on Canopy SM

[Paul McCall via Af]

Could be that when the part came off, a trace went with it

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof 
via Af
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] missing part on Canopy SM

So the missing part doesn’t explain why it doesn’t work.  It came with a 
guarantee, so I’ll send it back to the seller.

From: Paul McCall via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 9:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] missing part on Canopy SM

Gerard is correct.  An SM will function without it, though it makes the 
Ethernet less than protected from basic transient surges (even little ones).

I would suggest replacing it

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gerard 
Dupont III via Af
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] missing part on Canopy SM

It's a Transient Voltage Suppressor. I haven't tested others, but I know 100 
will function just fine without it. In a pinch I remove them to fix ethernet 
errors. I think this is the right part number if you wanted to replace it. 
RCLAMP0504FCT

Gerard


On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 10:19 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Anybody know what that little 6-leaded SMD is between the RJ45 jack and the 
Ethernet transformer on the PCB of a Canopy SM?  We bought a used SM that 
doesn't work (it lights up and seems to be trying) and that part is missing. I 
don't think it's optional.  But is its absence causing the problems?  Or just 
an indication that a tech didn't finish repairing it and mistakenly marked it 
as tested and good?

If it's a surge protection component, it seems too small to do much good.

Re: [AFMUG] missing part on Canopy SM

[Paul McCall via Af]

Ken,

If that part was damaged (and then removed on purpose) there could be damage to 
the Ethernet Transceiver itself or a few of the other parts that support the 
transceiver.  Obviously, send it back.  For grins, you might try setting your 
computer interface to 10Mbit just to see what it does

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof 
via Af
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 12:13 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] missing part on Canopy SM

Could be, but it looks like it was cleanly desoldered.  Seeing up close is not 
one of my superpowers though, not for quite awhile now.

I was just trying to configure it at the office.  Ethernet bounces up and down, 
and LEDs don’t seem to go through the regular sequence.  I did once get into it 
at 192.168.1.1 which is strange because it was supposed to be defaulted, NAT 
was enabled.

Strange.


From: Paul McCall via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] missing part on Canopy SM

Could be that when the part came off, a trace went with it

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof 
via Af
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] missing part on Canopy SM

So the missing part doesn’t explain why it doesn’t work.  It came with a 
guarantee, so I’ll send it back to the seller.

From: Paul McCall via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 9:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] missing part on Canopy SM

Gerard is correct.  An SM will function without it, though it makes the 
Ethernet less than protected from basic transient surges (even little ones).

I would suggest replacing it

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gerard 
Dupont III via Af
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] missing part on Canopy SM

It's a Transient Voltage Suppressor. I haven't tested others, but I know 100 
will function just fine without it. In a pinch I remove them to fix ethernet 
errors. I think this is the right part number if you wanted to replace it. 
RCLAMP0504FCT

Gerard


On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 10:19 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Anybody know what that little 6-leaded SMD is between the RJ45 jack and the 
Ethernet transformer on the PCB of a Canopy SM?  We bought a used SM that 
doesn't work (it lights up and seems to be trying) and that part is missing. I 
don't think it's optional.  But is its absence causing the problems?  Or just 
an indication that a tech didn't finish repairing it and mistakenly marked it 
as tested and good?

If it's a surge protection component, it seems too small to do much good.

Re: [AFMUG] Gear in Tower - Grounded or Isolated?

[Paul McCall via Af]

Great question Gino.  I hope we get some good input.
 My opinion is that you have to be completed isolated or extremely properly 
grounded.  Both can be complicated, but the second way being the most 
complicated

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino 
Villarini via Af
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 7:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Gear in Tower - Grounded or Isolated?

I remember the good old days that most of our network was based on Canopy 
Classic:

The radios were isolated form the tower, minor lightning issues..

Nowadays its has turned into a big issue for us, radios and MW getting zapped! 
Were do I start?

Should I go back to the Isolation model and have all gear in tower isolated 
from the tower in any way possible?



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr

Re: [AFMUG] Gear in Tower - Grounded or Isolated?

[Paul McCall via Af]

Gino, we used to take radiator house, pull the wire out of it, slit it, and 
used that to isolate the physical mounting of the sectors. I am not sure why we 
stopped, but no longer do that.

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino 
Villarini via Af
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 8:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gear in Tower - Grounded or Isolated?

I do think too that isolating its easier and should be the way to go... DC 
plant, fiber up.  Problem would be mounts and tower attachments... thinking of 
using PVC conduit?



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Sunday, September 28, 2014 at 7:48 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gear in Tower - Grounded or Isolated?

Great question Gino.  I hope we get some good input.
 My opinion is that you have to be completed isolated or extremely properly 
grounded.  Both can be complicated, but the second way being the most 
complicated

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino 
Villarini via Af
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 7:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Gear in Tower - Grounded or Isolated?

I remember the good old days that most of our network was based on Canopy 
Classic:

The radios were isolated form the tower, minor lightning issues..

Nowadays its has turned into a big issue for us, radios and MW getting zapped! 
Were do I start?

Should I go back to the Isolation model and have all gear in tower isolated 
from the tower in any way possible?



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr

Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun

[Paul McCall via Af]

Thanks Chuck!  That’s really cool that you used to play also.

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck 
McCown via Af
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 12:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun

That was awesome.  I am envious.

From: Paul McCall via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 7:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun

OK, that didn’t work… I should complain to the list sysop !  ☺

Will send it your wbmfg address.

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul 
McCall via Af
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 9:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun

For you Chuck... attempting to attach an .m4a file for you

From: Af [af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] on behalf of Jeremy Grip via 
Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 8:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun
MF! MF! MF! (never heard him live, alas)………..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47uuEYv-C7o



From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck 
McCown via Af
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 6:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun

I am talking about two octaves above the C on the staff.  Is that what you are 
talking about?

Cause that is pretty danged high.   Three full octaves above the C below the 
staff.  If so, impressive indeed.  I was only reliable over two octaves.

I have also heard Maynard Ferguson in concert.

From: Paul McCall via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 3:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun

Double C’s are part of my daily warm-up Chuck.

But, there are some guys that are just amazing… Doc being on my short list of 
trumpet players in that list… Maynard Ferguson and Harry James are the other 
biggies.

Glad that you got to hear Doc !

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck 
McCown via Af
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 12:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun

Yes?  Made my lips bleed in empathy.  I only hit a double high C scale one time 
in my life.

From: Jeremy Grip via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 5:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun

Still hittin’ double-high C’s?? ( Sorry--old trumpet player here).

Jeremy Grip

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime 
Solorza via Af
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 7:21 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun


Yep.  Hope you hear him play McArthurs Park.He is close to 90 by now

Jaime Solorza
On Sep 26, 2014 4:14 PM, "Bill Prince via Af" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Probably.  Wasn't he the band master for Johny Carson?

bp
On 9/26/2014 2:48 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
He has to be near 90.  He still plays the trumpet?  Or is he a bandleader?

From: Jaime Solorza via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 4:32 PM
To: Animal Farm<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun


Damn.  Thats awesome.Heard he joined Ides of March on Vehicle last year
If u can take some pics.

Jaime Solorza
On Sep 26, 2014 12:09 PM, "Chuck McCown via Af" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Going to see Doc Severinsen play tonight.

Anybody gonna top that!

Re: [AFMUG] standard 900 MHz Canopy channels

[Paul McCall via Af]

Ken,

We run 906, 915, 924 on all towers except one.  That one has 924 plastered with 
signal all around it, for 7 years like that.

On that tower, we do run 906, 914, 922 and it has been running that way since 
2007

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof 
via Af
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 1:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] standard 900 MHz Canopy channels

I have always assumed the standard channels are 906, 915 and 924.

But I keep getting competitors going on 906 and 922.  I understand they are 
probably trying to avoid high power licensed stuff like paging around 930. 
But if I go on 915, I find it overlaps with 922 and bad juju ensues. 
Especially when this is a newcomer and they have no subs yet and don't match 
your timing and don't care because ... they don't have subs yet and aren't 
suffering the effects of the interference.  I have found that a hot interferer 
on 922 will pretty much blow you off the air if you try to use 915, unless the 
timing parameters match, even though that's only 1 MHz of overlap.

So are the default channels actually 906, 914 and 922 in the real world? 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Wireless Scan

[Paul McCall via Af]

Wireless, Monitor should show you that.

Tools, eDetect will show you the signal strength of anything on the channel by 
MAC only.  Might help you get close… ePMP MACs start with 00:04.


From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike 
Hammett via Af
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 11:29 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP Wireless Scan

Is there any way for an ePMP radio to scan the air and tell you what SSIDs it 
sees? I'm trying to align two backhauls that when pointed roughly the same 
direction...  can't see each other. I don't want to just move it slightly and 
wait for the web interface to show it connected...  or not.

I want to run a scan, see it complete and tell me what it found.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

[AFMUG] Powering a PTP250

[Paul McCall via Af]

Is there an easy way to power up (and run) a PTP250 other than the built in 
power supply ?   I don't mind getting creative if need be.

Paul

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net

[AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered

[Paul McCall via Af]

Guys,

As some of you are aware, PDMNet's behind the scenes management of the AFMUG 
list as a service to Chuck McCown and his companies, involves hosting on an 
Amazon server.  Some very good things have come from that decision so far... no 
mail delivery issues (no server issues, no blacklisting or greylisting issues 
etc. to our knowledge).  The EC2 / SES platform is very robust, though overly 
complex at first blush.  A lot more time went to getting this setup that we 
anticipated, but that's life.   It costs a little more to use this platform, (I 
know.. I know) but long term, I think we will be happy with it.

One of the differences is the way the headers are handled.  Out of the box, 
Amazon required us to "munge" the headers in such a way that we could customize 
them to meet Amazon's strict mass-emailing rules.  This causes some differences 
in the way the mail is delivered, causing a few of you who use a different type 
of threading than most of us, some grief.  We are way PAST the discussion about 
what is "right" etc.  Respectfully, lets move on from that "debate".

The only way that Amazon provides to do things in a more conventional email 
header fashion is to use their API.  We knew this was an option when we brought 
the list live, but also anticipated a bit of a learning curve.  And, indeed it 
was!

We have gotten comfortable with the API and have been running it on our test 
Mailman list internally.  Basically the API allows us / requires us to process 
each AFMUG subscriber as an authenticated / confirmed email address.  S 
In order to use the API, we need to authenticate all the current users of the 
list.   We can send a batch through the API to generate the confirmation email 
to everyone, but before I did it, I wanted to give you a heads up.  NEW 
subscribers will first join the mailman AFMUG group and once confirmed, will 
then get an Amazon confirmation immediately thereafter.  Unsubscribing will 
also remove you from an authenticated user for the list.

Assuming that we haven't overlooked something (and, I am sure you guys will let 
me know that, LOL ) I would like to give a 48 hour notice that we will make the 
change, and you will get the Amazon email after that window.

All in favor ?   All opposed?

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered

[Paul McCall via Af]

Just reply to the authentication request...   that's all

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered

What will we need to do? Unsubscribe/resubscribe or just reply to the 
authentication(s)?



bp
On 9/29/2014 6:20 PM, Paul McCall via Af wrote:
Guys,

As some of you are aware, PDMNet's behind the scenes management of the AFMUG 
list as a service to Chuck McCown and his companies, involves hosting on an 
Amazon server.  Some very good things have come from that decision so far... no 
mail delivery issues (no server issues, no blacklisting or greylisting issues 
etc. to our knowledge).  The EC2 / SES platform is very robust, though overly 
complex at first blush.  A lot more time went to getting this setup that we 
anticipated, but that's life.   It costs a little more to use this platform, (I 
know.. I know) but long term, I think we will be happy with it.

One of the differences is the way the headers are handled.  Out of the box, 
Amazon required us to "munge" the headers in such a way that we could customize 
them to meet Amazon's strict mass-emailing rules.  This causes some differences 
in the way the mail is delivered, causing a few of you who use a different type 
of threading than most of us, some grief.  We are way PAST the discussion about 
what is "right" etc.  Respectfully, lets move on from that "debate".

The only way that Amazon provides to do things in a more conventional email 
header fashion is to use their API.  We knew this was an option when we brought 
the list live, but also anticipated a bit of a learning curve.  And, indeed it 
was!

We have gotten comfortable with the API and have been running it on our test 
Mailman list internally.  Basically the API allows us / requires us to process 
each AFMUG subscriber as an authenticated / confirmed email address.  S 
In order to use the API, we need to authenticate all the current users of the 
list.   We can send a batch through the API to generate the confirmation email 
to everyone, but before I did it, I wanted to give you a heads up.  NEW 
subscribers will first join the mailman AFMUG group and once confirmed, will 
then get an Amazon confirmation immediately thereafter.  Unsubscribing will 
also remove you from an authenticated user for the list.

Assuming that we haven't overlooked something (and, I am sure you guys will let 
me know that, LOL ) I would like to give a 48 hour notice that we will make the 
change, and you will get the Amazon email after that window.

All in favor ?   All opposed?

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>

Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered

[Paul McCall via Af]

Of course, your mail client, SPAM filter, may put the request in a folder... 
Gmail seems to pick some random other folder to put the request in... 
indiscriminately

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered

What will we need to do? Unsubscribe/resubscribe or just reply to the 
authentication(s)?



bp
On 9/29/2014 6:20 PM, Paul McCall via Af wrote:
Guys,

As some of you are aware, PDMNet's behind the scenes management of the AFMUG 
list as a service to Chuck McCown and his companies, involves hosting on an 
Amazon server.  Some very good things have come from that decision so far... no 
mail delivery issues (no server issues, no blacklisting or greylisting issues 
etc. to our knowledge).  The EC2 / SES platform is very robust, though overly 
complex at first blush.  A lot more time went to getting this setup that we 
anticipated, but that's life.   It costs a little more to use this platform, (I 
know.. I know) but long term, I think we will be happy with it.

One of the differences is the way the headers are handled.  Out of the box, 
Amazon required us to "munge" the headers in such a way that we could customize 
them to meet Amazon's strict mass-emailing rules.  This causes some differences 
in the way the mail is delivered, causing a few of you who use a different type 
of threading than most of us, some grief.  We are way PAST the discussion about 
what is "right" etc.  Respectfully, lets move on from that "debate".

The only way that Amazon provides to do things in a more conventional email 
header fashion is to use their API.  We knew this was an option when we brought 
the list live, but also anticipated a bit of a learning curve.  And, indeed it 
was!

We have gotten comfortable with the API and have been running it on our test 
Mailman list internally.  Basically the API allows us / requires us to process 
each AFMUG subscriber as an authenticated / confirmed email address.  S 
In order to use the API, we need to authenticate all the current users of the 
list.   We can send a batch through the API to generate the confirmation email 
to everyone, but before I did it, I wanted to give you a heads up.  NEW 
subscribers will first join the mailman AFMUG group and once confirmed, will 
then get an Amazon confirmation immediately thereafter.  Unsubscribing will 
also remove you from an authenticated user for the list.

Assuming that we haven't overlooked something (and, I am sure you guys will let 
me know that, LOL ) I would like to give a 48 hour notice that we will make the 
change, and you will get the Amazon email after that window.

All in favor ?   All opposed?

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>

Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered

[Paul McCall via Af]

Only if you’re doing it right !  ☺

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 9:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered

will my leg hurt when its over

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 8:37 PM, Paul McCall via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Of course, your mail client, SPAM filter, may put the request in a folder… 
Gmail seems to pick some random other folder to put the request in… 
indiscriminately

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered

What will we need to do? Unsubscribe/resubscribe or just reply to the 
authentication(s)?


bp
On 9/29/2014 6:20 PM, Paul McCall via Af wrote:
Guys,

As some of you are aware, PDMNet’s behind the scenes management of the AFMUG 
list as a service to Chuck McCown and his companies, involves hosting on an 
Amazon server.  Some very good things have come from that decision so far… no 
mail delivery issues (no server issues, no blacklisting or greylisting issues 
etc. to our knowledge).  The EC2 / SES platform is very robust, though overly 
complex at first blush.  A lot more time went to getting this setup that we 
anticipated, but that’s life.   It costs a little more to use this platform, (I 
know.. I know) but long term, I think we will be happy with it.

One of the differences is the way the headers are handled.  Out of the box, 
Amazon required us to “munge” the headers in such a way that we could customize 
them to meet Amazon’s strict mass-emailing rules.  This causes some differences 
in the way the mail is delivered, causing a few of you who use a different type 
of threading than most of us, some grief.  We are way PAST the discussion about 
what is “right” etc.  Respectfully, lets move on from that “debate”.

The only way that Amazon provides to do things in a more conventional email 
header fashion is to use their API.  We knew this was an option when we brought 
the list live, but also anticipated a bit of a learning curve.  And, indeed it 
was!

We have gotten comfortable with the API and have been running it on our test 
Mailman list internally.  Basically the API allows us / requires us to process 
each AFMUG subscriber as an authenticated / confirmed email address.  S…. 
In order to use the API, we need to authenticate all the current users of the 
list.   We can send a batch through the API to generate the confirmation email 
to everyone, but before I did it, I wanted to give you a heads up.  NEW 
subscribers will first join the mailman AFMUG group and once confirmed, will 
then get an Amazon confirmation immediately thereafter.  Unsubscribing will 
also remove you from an authenticated user for the list.

Assuming that we haven’t overlooked something (and, I am sure you guys will let 
me know that, LOL ) I would like to give a 48 hour notice that we will make the 
change, and you will get the Amazon email after that window.

All in favor ?   All opposed?

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>





--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered

[Paul McCall via Af]

In the header, yes, it will show the actual sender for the From line

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie via Af
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 10:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered

Sounds good, will this show the sender of each email in the "from" line, or is 
that a separate matter entirely?

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 8:20 PM, Paul McCall via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Guys,

As some of you are aware, PDMNet’s behind the scenes management of the AFMUG 
list as a service to Chuck McCown and his companies, involves hosting on an 
Amazon server.  Some very good things have come from that decision so far… no 
mail delivery issues (no server issues, no blacklisting or greylisting issues 
etc. to our knowledge).  The EC2 / SES platform is very robust, though overly 
complex at first blush.  A lot more time went to getting this setup that we 
anticipated, but that’s life.   It costs a little more to use this platform, (I 
know.. I know) but long term, I think we will be happy with it.

One of the differences is the way the headers are handled.  Out of the box, 
Amazon required us to “munge” the headers in such a way that we could customize 
them to meet Amazon’s strict mass-emailing rules.  This causes some differences 
in the way the mail is delivered, causing a few of you who use a different type 
of threading than most of us, some grief.  We are way PAST the discussion about 
what is “right” etc.  Respectfully, lets move on from that “debate”.

The only way that Amazon provides to do things in a more conventional email 
header fashion is to use their API.  We knew this was an option when we brought 
the list live, but also anticipated a bit of a learning curve.  And, indeed it 
was!

We have gotten comfortable with the API and have been running it on our test 
Mailman list internally.  Basically the API allows us / requires us to process 
each AFMUG subscriber as an authenticated / confirmed email address.  S…. 
In order to use the API, we need to authenticate all the current users of the 
list.   We can send a batch through the API to generate the confirmation email 
to everyone, but before I did it, I wanted to give you a heads up.  NEW 
subscribers will first join the mailman AFMUG group and once confirmed, will 
then get an Amazon confirmation immediately thereafter.  Unsubscribing will 
also remove you from an authenticated user for the list.

Assuming that we haven’t overlooked something (and, I am sure you guys will let 
me know that, LOL ) I would like to give a 48 hour notice that we will make the 
change, and you will get the Amazon email after that window.

All in favor ?   All opposed?

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>

[AFMUG] Legal FCC document about deed restrictions and "antennas"

[Paul McCall via Af]

A couple years ago (like maybe 2010??) , the FCC issued a "clarifying document" 
about the rights of a homeowner vs. the rights of a deed restricted area.  
Something to the effect of "it's legal to enact guidelines for visual esthetic 
reasons at a property, such as shielding from view from the street whenever 
possible, etc. but if the homeowner has to have a small dish on their roof 
because there is no other way, then they have the right to do so"

It was a clarifying document to the original telco act of 1996.  I had it 
stored locally, but cant find it anymore :(

??

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] Legal FCC document about deed restrictions and "antennas"

[Paul McCall via Af]

Yeah, that's it

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Hardy, Tim via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:11 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Legal FCC document about deed restrictions and "antennas"

OTARD?

http://www.fcc.gov/guides/over-air-reception-devices-rule

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Legal FCC document about deed restrictions and "antennas"

A couple years ago (like maybe 2010??) , the FCC issued a "clarifying document" 
about the rights of a homeowner vs. the rights of a deed restricted area.  
Something to the effect of "it's legal to enact guidelines for visual esthetic 
reasons at a property, such as shielding from view from the street whenever 
possible, etc. but if the homeowner has to have a small dish on their roof 
because there is no other way, then they have the right to do so"

It was a clarifying document to the original telco act of 1996.  I had it 
stored locally, but cant find it anymore :(

??

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 in 5.1 - 5.3 ???

[Paul McCall via Af]

Rory,

Can you define "better filtering" from a practical perspective?

What frequency have you compared, 450 to ePMP?  With interference or something? 
 

The reason I ask that is we are taking down 2.4 PMP100 and replacing a lot of 
those with ePMP, which is working well except where we have a 2.4 competitor, 
which has proved most challenging.

Is there anybody that has tried both ePMP in 2.4 and 450 in 2.4 side by side 
(not at the same time of course) in that type of interference environment and 
found that ePMP performed worse ?

Paul

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 12:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 in 5.1 - 5.3 ???

The PMP450 has far better filtering than the ePMP.  

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2014 8:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 in 5.1 - 5.3 ???

Maybe the PMP450 is more kosher?

bp

On 10/2/2014 8:46 AM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote:
> How they managed to do it in the Epmp and PTP650 while not in the
> PMP450 baffles me�.
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> President
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> www.aeronetpr.com
> @aeronetpr
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 10/2/14, 11:25 AM, "Matt via Af"  wrote:
>
>>> I believe a second HW model is planned for 4.9 � 5.3, different 
>>> filtering.
>> Just what we needed, another part number to find room for in the 
>> service vehicles.  Too bad they could not have done this on same 
>> hardware.
>>
>>
>>> From: Gino Villarini via Af
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 4:23 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] PMP450 in 5.1 - 5.3 ???
>>>
>>> Are there any plans for this? Is the HW capable?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>> President
>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>> www.aeronetpr.com
>>> @aeronetpr
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] DNS server for guys who dont want to be gurus

[Paul McCall via Af]

SimpleDNS  works great  - 5+ years no issues -- SIMPLE

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett via Af
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 1:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DNS server for guys who dont want to be gurus

BIND is your friend.

i'd also set iptables to only allow queries from your network.



On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 11:20 AM, That One Guy via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Is there a good, simple package for locally hosted DNS Servers for people like 
me who dont want to get too far into managing the linux at a granular level? we 
are used to the webmin interface. It would be nice if it had the option to set 
up client accounts for some clients to manage their own DNS but not view 
others, but thats in no way a deal breaker

--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] DNS server for guys who dont want to be gurus

[Paul McCall via Af]

I think a couple of us has mentioned SimpleDNS – 2 minute install – just works ☺

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird via Af
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 9:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DNS server for guys who dont want to be gurus

Yeah.  RHEL/CentOS backport security patches.  To quote myself from a previous 
email in this thread:

CentOS doesn't have the latest and greatest packages because it's upstream is 
RHEL.  This is the nature of "enterprise linux."  They don't have major package 
revisions during the entire lifecycle of any given major version (ie, 
RHEL5/6/7) and they backport security fixes and patches.

On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 9:30 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
I would disagree, didn’t Steve say the latest he updated to was 9.8.2?
https://kb.isc.org/article/AA-00913/0/BIND-9-Security-Vulnerability-Matrix.html

ISC shows 9.8.8 EOL as of September 2014, so 9.8.2 is quite a few versions old. 
 With all the DNS amplification attacks and these zero day exploits coming out 
all the time, I’d want to be pretty current, plus I believe 9.10 gives you RRL 
in your toolbox to deal with attacks although I’ll admit I haven’t had time to 
experiment with it.


From: Mike Hammett via Af
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 6:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DNS server for guys who dont want to be gurus

The server based distributions like CentOS\RHEL and Debian generally are close 
to current regarding security updates even if they don't have the latest 
version.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: "Ken Hohhof via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2014 5:30:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DNS server for guys who dont want to be gurus
You need a named.conf that defines the slave zones and the IP address of the 
master.

But first step is to download/compile/install the latest version of BIND, it’s 
actually quite easy.  I doubt you can get the version you want via yum update 
because CentOS is based on RHEL which is always a few steps behind.  Given the 
DNS attacks, you want the latest BIND.  You might then want to lock out the 
package from being updated by yum.


From: That One Guy via Af
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 4:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DNS server for guys who dont want to be gurus

So Im at a new Centos with webmin fresh bind install.
We have one master, one slave server
I have never set up bind, this was done before me.
If I were to take down the old slave server and bring this one up on its IP 
will the master update this one, or is there a config I need to move over. Im 
more comfotable doing the slave first.
These are all webmin, but the original is ubuntu and the new is centos

On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Paul Stewart via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
I always install CentOS bare bones …. “minimal server” is what the installation 
will call it.  This way you can install whatever you like after installation 
and not worry about removing many dozen packages you don’t need…

Just my preference anyways….

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of That One Guy via Af
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 2:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DNS server for guys who dont want to be gurus

2 questions in this
1. when running through the current centos installation, what do i select for 
the server type, for powercode it says select basic server
2. is there a guide for building dedicated centos servers based on server 
purpose? I assume there are packages I dont need to install if its only got 
this purpose

On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Paul Stewart via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
CentOS+BIND+Webmin ☺  I can’t remember but Usermin might be the part you’re 
looking for specific to users updating their own DNS…..



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of That One Guy via Af
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 1:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] DNS server for guys who dont want to be gurus

Is there a good, simple package for locally hosted DNS Servers for people like 
me who dont want to get too far into managing the linux at a granular level? we 
are used to the webmin interface. It would be nice if it had the option to set 
up client accounts for some clients to manage their own DNS but not view 
others, but thats in no way a deal breaker

--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925



--
All parts should go together without forcin

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 in 5.1 - 5.3 ???

[Paul McCall via Af]

I would suspect that they would be Gino, since the 5.4/5.7 is all covered with 
one SM.

Paul

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini via Af
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 8:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 in 5.1 - 5.3 ???

Can you make the SMs wideband?



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr






On 10/3/14, 8:08 AM, "Matt Mangriotis via Af"  wrote:

>We are actively working on new hardware for the PMP 450 platform that 
>will support this band.  We expect it to become available in Q2, 2015.
>
>Matt
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard via 
>Af
>Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 2:02 PM
>To: af@afmug.com
>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 in 5.1 - 5.3 ???
>
>I don't believe that's the case anymore... with firmware 2.2, ePMP is 
>letting me set it up to 30dBm EIRP, which is the max that anything is 
>allowed in the DFS bands.
>
>
>From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Kurt Fankhauser via Af 
>[af@afmug.com]
>Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 11:43 AM
>To: af@afmug.com
>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 in 5.1 - 5.3 ???
>
>epmp has alot lower powet in dfs than 450
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>Kurt Fankhauser
>Wavelinc Communications
>P.O. Box 126
>Bucyrus, OH 44820
>http://www.wavelinc.com
>tel. 419-562-6405
>fax. 419-617-0110
>
>> On Oct 2, 2014, at 11:46 AM, Gino Villarini via Af  wrote:
>>
>> How they managed to do it in the Epmp and PTP650 while not in the
>> PMP450 baffles meŠ.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> President
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> www.aeronetpr.com
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/2/14, 11:25 AM, "Matt via Af"  wrote:
>>
 I believe a second HW model is planned for 4.9 ­ 5.3, different 
 filtering.
>>>
>>> Just what we needed, another part number to find room for in the 
>>> service vehicles.  Too bad they could not have done this on same 
>>> hardware.
>>>
>>>

 From: Gino Villarini via Af
 Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 4:23 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] PMP450 in 5.1 - 5.3 ???

 Are there any plans for this? Is the HW capable?



 Gino A. Villarini
 President
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 www.aeronetpr.com
 @aeronetpr
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] DNS server for guys who dont want to be gurus

[Paul McCall via Af]

One time cost

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett via Af
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 11:13 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DNS server for guys who dont want to be gurus


simpleDNS looks cheap.  Is that a one time cost or do they do something 
recurring like annual renewals?
My predecessor had our DNS setup on SimpleDNS. I have never changed it because 
it really just always works. I have not had a SINGLE issue with it. Easy GUI. 
Simple. I will be moving to linux when I get a good VM server going but I am 
very impressed with SimpleDNS.

-Ty

On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Paul McCall via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
I think a couple of us has mentioned SimpleDNS – 2 minute install – just works ☺

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Josh Baird via Af
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 9:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DNS server for guys who dont want to be gurus

Yeah.  RHEL/CentOS backport security patches.  To quote myself from a previous 
email in this thread:

CentOS doesn't have the latest and greatest packages because it's upstream is 
RHEL.  This is the nature of "enterprise linux."  They don't have major package 
revisions during the entire lifecycle of any given major version (ie, 
RHEL5/6/7) and they backport security fixes and patches.

On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 9:30 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
I would disagree, didn’t Steve say the latest he updated to was 9.8.2?
https://kb.isc.org/article/AA-00913/0/BIND-9-Security-Vulnerability-Matrix.html

ISC shows 9.8.8 EOL as of September 2014, so 9.8.2 is quite a few versions old. 
 With all the DNS amplification attacks and these zero day exploits coming out 
all the time, I’d want to be pretty current, plus I believe 9.10 gives you RRL 
in your toolbox to deal with attacks although I’ll admit I haven’t had time to 
experiment with it.


From: Mike Hammett via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 6:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DNS server for guys who dont want to be gurus

The server based distributions like CentOS\RHEL and Debian generally are close 
to current regarding security updates even if they don't have the latest 
version.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: "Ken Hohhof via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2014 5:30:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DNS server for guys who dont want to be gurus
You need a named.conf that defines the slave zones and the IP address of the 
master.

But first step is to download/compile/install the latest version of BIND, it’s 
actually quite easy.  I doubt you can get the version you want via yum update 
because CentOS is based on RHEL which is always a few steps behind.  Given the 
DNS attacks, you want the latest BIND.  You might then want to lock out the 
package from being updated by yum.


From: That One Guy via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 4:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DNS server for guys who dont want to be gurus

So Im at a new Centos with webmin fresh bind install.
We have one master, one slave server
I have never set up bind, this was done before me.
If I were to take down the old slave server and bring this one up on its IP 
will the master update this one, or is there a config I need to move over. Im 
more comfotable doing the slave first.
These are all webmin, but the original is ubuntu and the new is centos

On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Paul Stewart via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
I always install CentOS bare bones …. “minimal server” is what the installation 
will call it.  This way you can install whatever you like after installation 
and not worry about removing many dozen packages you don’t need…

Just my preference anyways….

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of That One Guy via Af
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 2:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DNS server for guys who dont want to be gurus

2 questions in this
1. when running through the current centos installation, what do i select for 
the server type, for powercode it says select basic server
2. is there a guide for building dedicated centos servers based on server 
purpose? I assume there are packages I dont need to install if its only got 
this purpose

On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Paul Stewart via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
CentOS+BIND+Webmin ☺  I can’t remember but Usermin might be the part you’re 
looking for specific to users updating their own DNS…..



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>

[AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?

[Paul McCall via Af]

We are thinking of raising our prices on our residential  basic plan.  Some of 
our customers have been on the same priced plan for 7 years (or more).  Around 
$ 45 / month for "up to 5Mbit/1Mbit".  Probably 25% of those customers, we are 
the only "good" source for Internet.  The rest have varying levels of DSL or 
cable options.

Thinking of bumping those customers to $ 49.  Maybe a little more, haven't 
decided.

How do you handle price changes and/or on your customers on "rolling contracts" 
?

Paul

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?

[Paul McCall via Af]

Very good input from all of you!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 4:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?

Everyone seems to expect our prices will go down, it’s the Internet after all, 
everything is supposed to get cheaper until it’s free, right?  We haven’t 
raised prices in 10 years, and we are feeling some pressure to lower prices 
about 10%, I guess that’s from competition though and it sounds like you don’t 
have too much of that problem.

JAB has people here expecting $40/$50/$60 for 5M/10M/15M speed.  They do have 
an equipment fee and a support plan in the fine print though.

One school of thought is you gotta have added fees, otherwise you just look 
more expensive in a comparison.  (And people do compare prices, even if the 
other guys can’t get them service.)  Another school of thought is, if you do a 
price increase, make it big enough you don’t have another one in a year.  
Although that never seems to stop the cable companies.  Another school of 
thought is to make it look like you are giving them something for the price 
increase, that’s the game the cablecos play, more content.  Not sure what you 
could give away though, if you are already at 5M and unlimited usage.  I guess 
as long as you are saying “up to”, you could raise the number.

From: Paul McCall via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 3:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?

We are thinking of raising our prices on our residential  basic plan.  Some of 
our customers have been on the same priced plan for 7 years (or more).  Around 
$ 45 / month for “up to 5Mbit/1Mbit”.  Probably 25% of those customers, we are 
the only “good” source for Internet.  The rest have varying levels of DSL or 
cable options.

Thinking of bumping those customers to $ 49.  Maybe a little more, haven’t 
decided.

How do you handle price changes and/or on your customers on “rolling contracts” 
?

Paul

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>

Re: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?

[Paul McCall via Af]

We are overhauling ☺   some 450, mostly ePMP. Definitely, will give them a 
little more of something… either sustained or burst speed.  Maybe free month to 
try a higher plan as well.

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler via Af
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 5:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?

Yeah I wouldn't raise prices on a 900SM customer. Get ready to overhaul the 
network with faster options before charging more. But definitely charge more as 
opposed to going cheaper. Markets may vary...

Jon

On Oct 4, 2014, at 4:54 PM, Paul McCall via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Very good input from all of you!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 4:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?

Everyone seems to expect our prices will go down, it’s the Internet after all, 
everything is supposed to get cheaper until it’s free, right?  We haven’t 
raised prices in 10 years, and we are feeling some pressure to lower prices 
about 10%, I guess that’s from competition though and it sounds like you don’t 
have too much of that problem.

JAB has people here expecting $40/$50/$60 for 5M/10M/15M speed.  They do have 
an equipment fee and a support plan in the fine print though.

One school of thought is you gotta have added fees, otherwise you just look 
more expensive in a comparison.  (And people do compare prices, even if the 
other guys can’t get them service.)  Another school of thought is, if you do a 
price increase, make it big enough you don’t have another one in a year.  
Although that never seems to stop the cable companies.  Another school of 
thought is to make it look like you are giving them something for the price 
increase, that’s the game the cablecos play, more content.  Not sure what you 
could give away though, if you are already at 5M and unlimited usage.  I guess 
as long as you are saying “up to”, you could raise the number.

From: Paul McCall via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 3:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?

We are thinking of raising our prices on our residential  basic plan.  Some of 
our customers have been on the same priced plan for 7 years (or more).  Around 
$ 45 / month for “up to 5Mbit/1Mbit”.  Probably 25% of those customers, we are 
the only “good” source for Internet.  The rest have varying levels of DSL or 
cable options.

Thinking of bumping those customers to $ 49.  Maybe a little more, haven’t 
decided.

How do you handle price changes and/or on your customers on “rolling contracts” 
?

Paul

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>

Re: [AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity

[Paul McCall via Af]

Why not use a Mikrotik router with the POE out option ?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
Account) via Af
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2014 5:44 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity

That's sort of the thought process I was headed towards.   With my preference 
to not entering that already way too crowded market.   There are already three 
vendors that I know of in that space, and I don't feel like trying to compete 
with the vendors that have way more volume than I could attain.

On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Keefe John via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
The only way to make this price doable is if it is a router too like Netonix's 
new device.

Keefe


On 10/5/2014 4:08 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote:
Following up on the previous email about product ideas, I have an idea for a 
product which at least I think would be really cool, but I also think would 
likely be a big flop, just because of the apparent cost sensitivity of installs.

It seems to me that it would be nice to replace the power injector at customer 
sites with more of an intelligent device.   One that provides functionality 
like traffic metering, cable diagnostics, customer-location speed tests, and so 
on.   The unit would have jacks for the radio, the customer equipment, and 
power.   It would also have a display which shows real-time usage data for the 
customer to be able to determine for themselves what their current internet 
consumption is. There are a lot of natural outgrowths from this such as 
watchdog reset of the radio itself, automatic problem notification to the WISP, 
etc.   My goal would be to instrument this as much as possible.

If you think of this as a 'smart power meter' for internet, with diagnostic 
tools built in, then you've got the basic idea.  This is not intended to 
replace the customer router/nat device, and will only be a Layer 2 device as 
far as traffic goes.  There will likely be some limited traffic shaping 
possible based on the underlying ethernet swtich chipset.

Unfortunately, these can't be a $20 device.   $75 might be doable for higher 
volumes, but $100 is more in the comfort zone for the volumes I typically move. 
 Of course, this is a CPE device and I'm not even sure how many I'd sell so 
these prices are guesses at best - but more likely to go down instead of up.

Although I suspect most people would love to have one of these at each install, 
I have a hard time believing that most people would swallow adding even $75 to 
the cost of each install, let alone the $100 which might be the price I'd have 
to hit for lower volume.   Is this a fair assumption?  Would you add such a 
device to each install?

Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz Survey - Request for Info

[Paul McCall via Af]

Did it

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis via Af
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 10:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 900 MHz Survey - Request for Info

As some of you may already be aware, we are conducting some inquiries 
surrounding the 900 MHz band in order to properly address concerns in using 
this band, and help provide us the information needed to develop the product 
that you need to deliver service to your customers.  The survey is just over 20 
questions, and is located here: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/XNS38W6

Please help us help you!

Any information we gather will help us to make sure we're developing the right 
product for your needs, and this info will not be used for any commercial or 
solicitation purposes.  It's optional to fill in the contact info at the end, 
but I encourage you to do so, in case further exploration of a few of the 
responses could help even more.

The survey will stay open for about 2 weeks, so try to get to it soon.

Let me know if you have any questions or problems accessing the survey.

Thanks,

Matt Mangriotis
Senior Product Manager
Cambium Networks
3800 Golf Road, Suite 360
Rolling Meadows, IL 60008

www.cambiumnetworks.com
O: 847-439-6379
M: 630-308-9394
E: m...@cambiumnetworks.com
[CN_logo_horizontal_blueIcon_blackName]

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[Paul McCall via Af]

+1

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 11:21 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

Rack mount 24 port sync over power injector.  Possibly with surge protection.


On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af 
 wrote:
> It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to 
> the list.
>
> With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for 
> me to decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux.
>
> We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost 
> all of them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of 
> products we complete just because they help fill out our product offering 
> instead of
> expecting a lot of revenue from them.   A couple of these have appeared on
> the website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the 
> voltmeter/shunt input modules.
>
> So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux could
> build which would help you in your WISP.   I'm particularly looking for
> products which if they existed would go at every one of your tower 
> sites, or even better at every customer location.  I know these product ideas 
> exist
> out there, and I'd love to hear them.   Feel free to throw ideas out which
> are outside of the narrow niche that you think of PacketFlux fitting into.
>
> One final note  - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower 
> device which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc 
> conversion, battery charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power 
> injection, fiber
> conversion, etc..   I've heard those loud and clear and am aware of that
> desire.   There's work being done in-house toward something like that, but
> there are many hurdles left to make it a reality.  If there's a 
> simplified version of this which would fit a specific, widespread, 
> need I'd love to hear about it, but the idea of a device you put into 
> your rack and it handles everything needed at a tower site is still quite a 
> ways off for us.
>
> So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a couple and 
> run with them.
>
> -forrest
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz Survey - Request for Info

[Paul McCall via Af]

Or even 450 throughput

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 2:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz Survey - Request for Info

How about one wide channel that takes up the whole band.  Then you could get 
430 type of throughput.  Be great for areas with 50 customers that can all be 
served from one AP.

From: That One Guy via Af
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 12:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz Survey - Request for Info

smaller channels, higher throughput ala UBNT, and unicorn farts

On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Adam Moffett via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Survey doneI'm going to address a question you didn't ask in the survey:

There are two things I hate about 900mhz:  First is the lower capacity, and a 
lot of the survey questions were pertinent to that.  The second is there is a 
ton of interference and that makes it unreliable.  I think it would be nice if 
a product could deliver higher capacity in 900mhz, but I also think it would be 
nice if we could get some rock solid IP connectivity without line of sight, 
even if it was at a low speed.  I won't presume to tell Cambium how to do that, 
but maybe your next product could have an option for very small channels, or 
FHSS, or maybe tx and rx on different channels so I can avoid listening on a 
noisy channel at the tower but still transmit on it.

I'd love to have more options in the toolbox to make a NLOS link keep on 
chugging along for telemetry, or remote desktop, or a single camera, or 
whatever.



As some of you may already be aware, we are conducting some inquiries 
surrounding the 900 MHz band in order to properly address concerns in using 
this band, and help provide us the information needed to develop the product 
that you need to deliver service to your customers.  The survey is just over 20 
questions, and is located here: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/XNS38W6

Please help us help you!

Any information we gather will help us to make sure we’re developing the right 
product for your needs, and this info will not be used for any commercial or 
solicitation purposes.  It’s optional to fill in the contact info at the end, 
but I encourage you to do so, in case further exploration of a few of the 
responses could help even more.

The survey will stay open for about 2 weeks, so try to get to it soon.

Let me know if you have any questions or problems accessing the survey.

Thanks,

Matt Mangriotis
Senior Product Manager
Cambium Networks
3800 Golf Road, Suite 360
Rolling Meadows, IL 60008

www.cambiumnetworks.com
O: 847-439-6379
M: 630-308-9394
E: m...@cambiumnetworks.com
[CN_logo_horizontal_blueIcon_blackName]





--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925

[AFMUG] how to use (2) CMM Micro and one GPS antenna ??

[Paul McCall via Af]

I have to hook up a CMM to a tower that already has a CMM on it, like today.   
There is a "timing" 6 pin connector on the CMM.  Can that be used to bridge the 
sync to the 2nd CMM?  If so, how would that be wired, and what setting would I 
make in the CMM(s) so that it would know to use it

Paul

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] how to use (2) CMM Micro and one GPS antenna ??

[Paul McCall via Af]

And then it just magically "works"  somehow?  No definition of which one is 
slave and master etc. ?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber 
Broadcasting) via Af
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 4:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] how to use (2) CMM Micro and one GPS antenna ??

IIRC, it needs to be a roll-over cable. Pin 1 to 6 and 2 to 3. 2 & 3 if you 
care about the GPS data, otherwise just 1 to 6 and 6 to 1.

On 10/6/2014 3:48 PM, Paul McCall via Af wrote:
I have to hook up a CMM to a tower that already has a CMM on it, like 
today.�� There is a �timing� 6 pin connector on the CMM.� Can that be 
used to bridge the sync to the 2nd CMM?� If so, how would that be wired, and 
what setting would I make in the CMM(s) so that it would know to use it
�
Paul
�
Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
�

Re: [AFMUG] how to use (2) CMM Micro and one GPS antenna ??

[Paul McCall via Af]

Thank you

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett via Af
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 5:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] how to use (2) CMM Micro and one GPS antenna ??

it's in the cmm3.0 manual on page 48 the cambium site.





On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Paul McCall via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
I have to hook up a CMM to a tower that already has a CMM on it, like today.   
There is a “timing” 6 pin connector on the CMM.  Can that be used to bridge the 
sync to the 2nd CMM?  If so, how would that be wired, and what setting would I 
make in the CMM(s) so that it would know to use it

Paul

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[Paul McCall via Af]

Even a 12+4 would be great

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele via Af
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 9:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Cc: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

A sync injecter with 28 ports 24 sync injected ports + 4 POE ports for BH's 
that would keep things much cleaner at tower sites

—
Sent from Mailbox


On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 9:23 PM, Mathew Howard via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
+1 to that.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Reynolds via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 7:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas
You know what I really need more than anything else?

I need a DC-terminal POE pass-through for 8-16 devices, where I can toggle 
between UBNT 24v passive poe, 48-56v, and maybe 56V 1A per-port. Maybe two 
models, an "8 device" and a "16 device" model (16/32 ports).

Also will want a rack-mount version with 24 devices (48 ports), so make that 
maybe 3 models.

This way I can use whatever switch I want, yet still have full control over 
each device. It should be able to send syslog messages/traps, and that's pretty 
much it.

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
On 10/05/2014 12:19 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote:
It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to the list.

With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for me to 
decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux.

We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost all of 
them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of products we complete 
just because they help fill out our product offering instead of expecting a lot 
of revenue from them.   A couple of these have appeared on the website recently 
- I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the voltmeter/shunt input modules.

So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux could 
build which would help you in your WISP.   I'm particularly looking for 
products which if they existed would go at every one of your tower sites, or 
even better at every customer location.  I know these product ideas exist out 
there, and I'd love to hear them.   Feel free to throw ideas out which are 
outside of the narrow niche that you think of PacketFlux fitting into.

One final note  - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower device which 
includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc conversion, battery 
charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power injection, fiber 
conversion, etc..   I've heard those loud and clear and am aware of that 
desire.   There's work being done in-house toward something like that, but 
there are many hurdles left to make it a reality.  If there's a simplified 
version of this which would fit a specific, widespread, need I'd love to hear 
about it, but the idea of a device you put into your rack and it handles 
everything needed at a tower site is still quite a ways off for us.

So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a couple and run with 
them.

-forrest

[AFMUG] Problem with Sync and link speed on 310 foot run with ePMP APs

[Paul McCall via Af]

Just wanted to give a heads up on our experience with our first run at trying 
ePMPs at this distance of cable run.

We mounted 4  5 Ghz and 4 2.4 Ghz   ePMP APs today (a retrofit from 100 series 
APs).   We have an existing CMM Micro that has been at the tower for 5 or 6 
years.  We needed more ports with Sync so we attempted to use a Gigabit 
Syncinjector for the additional ports we needed.  We put the 2.4 Ghz radios on 
the CMM and put the 5 Ghz on the SyncInjector.

The CMM and the "LAN facing" ports on the Syncinjector, powered by the same 5 
AMP/24v power supply that we use for CTM's,  plugged into a 2011 Mikrotik 
router.

The CMM works flawlessly, providing 100Mbit connections and sync .  The 
SyncInjector... not so much.  Initially, the symptoms were that 1 of the APs 
would only connect 10 Mbit and 1 different one would not get Sync.We tried 
swapping know good (successful on the CMM) cables, changing ports on the 
SyncInjector to make sure we didn't have cable or AP related issues etc.  
Eventually, we lost ability to do Sync on any of the APs, and 2 of the 4 will 
only do 10 Mbit.  Tried it with both 100Mbit and Gbit ports on the 2011, in 
auto or static Speed/Duplex configs.  No go.   The cables being used were both 
Best-Tronics and Toughcable Carrier.  All the toughcables were premade to the 
300 feet and tested inhouse at Gigabit speeds (TIK to TIK tests)

Going to have to climb again tomorrow with a second CMM to swapout for the 
SyncInjector.

We normally have very good luck with SyncInjectors but at 300 feet distance 
with the Gigabit models, we couldn't make it work in this application.  Cambium 
had "advised us" that there may be abnormal challenges with 300 ft. of cable on 
the ePMP.

Paul

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] Problem with Sync and link speed on 310 foot run with ePMP APs

[Paul McCall via Af]

Forrest,

I will see if I can get the guys to try that just for grins, before we swap to 
a CMM.  They were pretty tired today.  they were on the tower for 9 hours.

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
Account) via Af
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 5:15 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Problem with Sync and link speed on 310 foot run with ePMP 
APs


I'd be curious if your experience was the same with say a cambium gigabit 
injector in there.  Not quite Apples to apples but closer than a gigabit vs non 
gigabit injector.

Midspan gigabit injectors definitely add some signal loss due to the Ethernet 
magnetics in the path.   At least a couple dB.

I've also noticed that certain surge suppressors are even more picky with the 
gigabit injectors.  Not sure why.
On Oct 7, 2014 2:30 PM, "Paul McCall via Af" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Just wanted to give a heads up on our experience with our first run at trying 
ePMPs at this distance of cable run.

We mounted 4  5 Ghz and 4 2.4 Ghz   ePMP APs today (a retrofit from 100 series 
APs).   We have an existing CMM Micro that has been at the tower for 5 or 6 
years.  We needed more ports with Sync so we attempted to use a Gigabit 
Syncinjector for the additional ports we needed.  We put the 2.4 Ghz radios on 
the CMM and put the 5 Ghz on the SyncInjector.

The CMM and the “LAN facing” ports on the Syncinjector, powered by the same 5 
AMP/24v power supply that we use for CTM’s,  plugged into a 2011 Mikrotik 
router.

The CMM works flawlessly, providing 100Mbit connections and sync .  The 
SyncInjector… not so much.  Initially, the symptoms were that 1 of the APs 
would only connect 10 Mbit and 1 different one would not get Sync.We tried 
swapping know good (successful on the CMM) cables, changing ports on the 
SyncInjector to make sure we didn’t have cable or AP related issues etc.  
Eventually, we lost ability to do Sync on any of the APs, and 2 of the 4 will 
only do 10 Mbit.  Tried it with both 100Mbit and Gbit ports on the 2011, in 
auto or static Speed/Duplex configs.  No go.   The cables being used were both 
Best-Tronics and Toughcable Carrier.  All the toughcables were premade to the 
300 feet and tested inhouse at Gigabit speeds (TIK to TIK tests)

Going to have to climb again tomorrow with a second CMM to swapout for the 
SyncInjector.

We normally have very good luck with SyncInjectors but at 300 feet distance 
with the Gigabit models, we couldn’t make it work in this application.  Cambium 
had “advised us” that there may be abnormal challenges with 300 ft. of cable on 
the ePMP.

Paul

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>

Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare

[Paul McCall via Af]

My personal went up 60%

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard via Af
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 12:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare

Only 10%?!  I was talking to an insurance agent.  He said that on the personal 
policies they didn't see anything less than a 200% increase for this year.

If anyone believed that this was supposed to lower costs or actually provide 
better health care they should probably be looking for some bridges they can 
buy.  I hear there are some really good deals out there!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson via Af
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 10:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] ObamaCare

Hi...

I'm not sure exactly how this ObamaCare thing was supposed to "save
everyone money" and provider "better health care". We just received our
group health insurance premium notice for the upcoming year, and our
rates will go up by 10% starting 2015.

On top of that, everyone is now paying a 3% ObamaCare tax on their
personal income taxes. This doesn't really seem like much of a savings
to me... :(

Travis


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Re: [AFMUG] New ePMP Beta Software 2.3-RC10 available!

[Paul McCall via Af]

What is the perceived application for the SM operating in standard WiFi mode ?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sriram Chaturvedi via Af
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 7:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] New ePMP Beta Software 2.3-RC10 available!

Folks,

ePMP Beta software 2.3-RC10 is now available for download here: 
https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/epmp

System Release 2.3 adds the following features:

* 5 MHz and 10 MHz channel bandwidth support

o   Max number of subscribers is limited to 30 for 5MHz and 60 for 10 MHz

* SM Wi-Fi mode support (Only 20 MHz and 40 MHz channel bandwidths)

o   SM can operate in standard Wi-Fi mode

* Broadcast Traffic Shaping (Limiting)

o   Ability to limit the number of broadcast packets per second

* Multicast VLAN and Prioritization

o   Multicast VLAN support with prioritization

o   Ability to leave/join multicast groups and limit number of multicast groups 
to up to 5 groups

o   Support for IGMPv3 snooping

* CLI access via ssh (default credentials: admin/admin)

* Option to set SM Max Tx power manually

Please post any feedback on the ePMP Beta Forum!
http://epmpbeta.community.cambiumnetworks.com/

Thanks,
Sriram

Re: [AFMUG] New ePMP Beta Software 2.3-RC10 available!

[Paul McCall via Af]

Got it! Makes sense

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele via Af
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 10:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Cc: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New ePMP Beta Software 2.3-RC10 available!

If you turn Airmax off on your UBNT AP's you can slowly swap all CPE's to Epmp 
then change AP to Epmp that is what wifi mode is for

—
Sent from Mailbox<https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox>


On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:29 PM, Paul McCall via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
What is the perceived application for the SM operating in standard WiFi mode ?


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sriram Chaturvedi via Af
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 7:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] New ePMP Beta Software 2.3-RC10 available!


Folks,

ePMP Beta software 2.3-RC10 is now available for download here: 
https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/epmp

System Release 2.3 adds the following features:

• 5 MHz and 10 MHz channel bandwidth support

o   Max number of subscribers is limited to 30 for 5MHz and 60 for 10 MHz

• SM Wi-Fi mode support (Only 20 MHz and 40 MHz channel bandwidths)

o   SM can operate in standard Wi-Fi mode

• Broadcast Traffic Shaping (Limiting)

o   Ability to limit the number of broadcast packets per second

• Multicast VLAN and Prioritization

o   Multicast VLAN support with prioritization

o   Ability to leave/join multicast groups and limit number of multicast groups 
to up to 5 groups

o   Support for IGMPv3 snooping

• CLI access via ssh (default credentials: admin/admin)

• Option to set SM Max Tx power manually

Please post any feedback on the ePMP Beta Forum!
http://epmpbeta.community.cambiumnetworks.com/


Thanks,
Sriram

Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare

[Paul McCall via Af]

Jeremy,

I am glad this worked out well for you financially.  Most people have been very 
unhappy with the effect of this, and in then we ALL pay for any costs that are 
lowered, subsidized etc.   Financially for this country as a whole, today and 
in the future, Obamacare is a disaster.  There is NO free lunch system that 
doesn’t cost everyone the same money, plus bureaucratic and administration 
costs to get the results.  It just doesn’t work that way.  Insurance company 
profits are at an al- time high.  TPA’s profits are at an all-time high.

Glad I’m making decent money doing what I do …   blessed and grateful

Paul


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy via Af
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 10:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare

We pay about the same as we did but our deductible is lower, our out of pocket 
max is lower, and they covered our pregnancy.  We switched during the first 
trimester because we didn't have maternity coverage (no self-insured plans in 
our state had it), and Obamacare made pregnancy not count as a pre-existing 
condition.  It saved us about $7,000-$8,000 this year.  The craziest part is 
that we actually stayed with the same provider, Select Health (IHC).  It was 
just the difference between them providing maternity and not providing 
maternity.  We have been very happy with our Obamacare.

On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Glen Waldrop via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Further the subsidies have been deemed unconstitutional, so they're forcing us 
to pay insurance with the promise of subsidies that they are now going to take 
away.

Bait and switch.

The whole thing has been a screwup from day one.

It is actually cheaper for me to pay out of pocket than pay for this insurance, 
but the fines will get you either way.


- Original Message -
From: Rory Conaway via Af
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare

And so did the quality and options of your care.  I know that 2 of my doctors 
retired early and the other one doesn’t take Obamacare.   Fortunately I don’t 
have to use it.

Here is my question though, doesn’t the fact that the federal government wasted 
a couple billion dollars of your taxes on websites that don’t work, companies 
that are paying workers to do nothing, and companies that are friends with the 
First Lady with no bid process in place?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Sean Heskett via Af
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 5:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare

Please don't forget that this whole "obamacare" thing was "invented" by the 
American Heratage Foundation which is a republican think tank.  And the 
republicans tried to squash "Hillarycare" with it in the 1990's.

Be careful what you ask for because you just might get it.

Also, so far in the states that set up their own exchanges medical costs and 
premiums have been going down...mine sure did :)

2cents

Sean

On Wednesday, October 8, 2014, Travis Johnson via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Hi...

I'm not sure exactly how this ObamaCare thing was supposed to "save everyone 
money" and provider "better health care". We just received our group health 
insurance premium notice for the upcoming year, and our rates will go up by 10% 
starting 2015.

On top of that, everyone is now paying a 3% ObamaCare tax on their personal 
income taxes. This doesn't really seem like much of a savings to me... :(

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] New ePMP Beta Software 2.3-RC10 available!

[Paul McCall via Af]

That might be a bit tricky to coordinate all the variables.  It’s quite easy to 
change all the SMs via SNMP , so I would imagine getting all the ePMP SMs 
online with WiFI, then issuing an SNMP command to them to change to normal mode 
and reboot, then change the APs then everything would come up.

That’s how we are going to do it to upgrade the few UBNT towers that we have

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve D via Af
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 12:34 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New ePMP Beta Software 2.3-RC10 available!

For these situations where someone might want two configurations, it would be 
nice to be able to pre-load configurations and if the sm can't connect to an AP 
for a set amount of time, it loads the other config and tries that, and goes 
back and forth until it locks on.

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Sriram Chaturvedi via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Shayne,

It doesn’t do that automatically. You have to explicitly configure the SM to 
operate in Standard WiFi mode (from the Quick Start or Configuration->Radio 
page) to connect to an AP operating standard 802.11.

Thanks,
Sriram

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Shayne Lebrun via Af
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 8:15 AM

To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New ePMP Beta Software 2.3-RC10 available!

Is the basic idea that you’re using an SSID and wpa2 anyway, so when the ePMP 
tries to connect, it then identifies the AP as 802.11 or CanopyMagicSauce and 
connects accordingly?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 11:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New ePMP Beta Software 2.3-RC10 available!

Got it! Makes sense

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele via Af
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 10:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Cc: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New ePMP Beta Software 2.3-RC10 available!

If you turn Airmax off on your UBNT AP's you can slowly swap all CPE's to Epmp 
then change AP to Epmp that is what wifi mode is for

—
Sent from Mailbox<https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox>


On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:29 PM, Paul McCall via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
What is the perceived application for the SM operating in standard WiFi mode ?


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sriram Chaturvedi via Af
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 7:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] New ePMP Beta Software 2.3-RC10 available!


Folks,

ePMP Beta software 2.3-RC10 is now available for download here: 
https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/epmp

System Release 2.3 adds the following features:

• 5 MHz and 10 MHz channel bandwidth support

o   Max number of subscribers is limited to 30 for 5MHz and 60 for 10 MHz

• SM Wi-Fi mode support (Only 20 MHz and 40 MHz channel bandwidths)

o   SM can operate in standard Wi-Fi mode

• Broadcast Traffic Shaping (Limiting)

o   Ability to limit the number of broadcast packets per second

• Multicast VLAN and Prioritization

o   Multicast VLAN support with prioritization

o   Ability to leave/join multicast groups and limit number of multicast groups 
to up to 5 groups

o   Support for IGMPv3 snooping

• CLI access via ssh (default credentials: admin/admin)

• Option to set SM Max Tx power manually

Please post any feedback on the ePMP Beta Forum!
http://epmpbeta.community.cambiumnetworks.com/


Thanks,
Sriram

Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare

[Paul McCall via Af]

+1

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 4:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare

It can’t if it’s constantly chipped apart from the bottom up.  Between 
continued growth of the welfare state, unchecked immigration and growth of an 
uneducated population, and lawlessness from the President on down, Capitalism 
won’t survive.  Unfortunately, if it fails, then so does the country and as 
evidenced by the unchecked growth of evil philosophies such as radical Islam, 
dictatorships masquerading as Communism, and Communist countries with no moral 
or ethical foundation, complete anarchy worldwide.  Capitalism funds and drives 
the United States to continue to be a leader in the world.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 12:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare

While capitalism may have built the greatest country in the world, some think 
capitalism cannot sustain the greatest country in the world.

Chris Wright
Velociter Wireless

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare

Collin, socialized medicine or socialized anything doesn’t work.  What happened 
to the idea that Capitalism built the greatest country and the greatest health 
care in the world.  Why does everybody forget that and keep wanting to go back 
to the failed systems in Europe, Socialism, Communism.

Costs go up because of attorney’s and the technology behind our health care.  
If you want cheap health care, get rid of MRI machines, genome cancer 
treatments, laser surgeries, AiDs drugs, Hepatitis drug research, etc…  If all 
you want is an aspirin and a hug, you keep holding to the idea that socialized 
medicine is a great idea.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:41 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare

Amen brother Conlin.

The way I see it, the biggest problem is that ObamaCare didn't go far enough.  
We really, really need to have a system that gets a handle on the costs.  The 
cost to US citizens is more than double the cost to other developed countries.

Just peruse this: 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/26/charts-health-care-costs-americans_n_2957266.html

bp
On 10/9/2014 5:12 AM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote:
What did people expect?  Insurance companies are the house.  They always make 
money.  By accepting pre-existing conditions everyone else’s premiums go up.  
By definition.  The only way health insurance can work is if it is universal 
(code for mandatory).  Can’t have people who can do math, like Chuck, opting 
out.  Or healthy people saying no.  Everyone in.  Everyone pays.  Spreads out 
the costs.

ObamaCare was never about controlling costs.  It was about increasing coverage. 
 More coverage costs more.  Why are people surprised at this?  If you want to 
control costs you have to redesign the way money flows.  Our system of 
providers and insurance companies is *designed* to maximize heath costs.  It is 
a positive feedback loop.  What is needed is a single payer system, like 
Canada, where one paying party can have maximum leverage to minimize costs and 
who has limited ability to raise taxes.  It is a proper (negative) feedback 
system that has inheritably more control.  Canada, for the record, is not 
privatized health care like the VHA.  In fact it is the opposite.  The 
Government of Canada purchases all its healthcare from private entities, like 
Medicare.  A fact yet to be discovered by the media in the USA.

It is hard to understand why the Republican’s hate ObamaCare since it was 
mostly their idea.  Well, other than ObamaCare was championed by Obama and I 
guess that is enough reason.  The basic concept to use the free market and let 
industry to its thing is normally what Republican’s want.  Not to mention its 
inherent ability to make more money for insurance companies and private 
industry.  Sure, they are upset that it is being used as a wealth distribution 
system that makes people with money pay more and people without pay less.  Ok, 
so that is two reasons they hate it.

The mistake made, was not implementing a single payer system simultaneously 
with universal coverage.  The CBO calculated the saving from the former would 
pay for the later resulting in no increase in out-of-pocket costs.  Then the 
other benefits of such a privatized system would start to kick in and the open 
market competition for services will drive costs down.  With health care 
general health would improve and costs would go down even more.

Unfortunately the Government is dysfunctional and has zero chance of overcoming 
the trillions of dollars companies are making off 

[AFMUG] FS: 6 month warranty - 2400SM P10s, 2450APs, LOTS of other stuff

[Paul McCall via Af]

** PLEASE REPLY OFFLIST 

We have 150 P10 2400SMs, recently pulled from working service from PDMNet's 
network - $ 75 each (minimum qty 10).   OR best offer on the whole lot.

We also have about 20 P10 2450APs (stock - integrated) and about 25 P10 2450APs 
- $ 350 each (minimum qty 3)  OR best offer on the whole lot.

6 month warranty on all of PDMNet's used gear - buy with confidence!

Also,  we have about 20 or so L-COM 120 degree 2.4 Ghz sectors in OK condition, 
working, but sold AS-IS (non-DOA). $ 75 each (minimum qty 3) OR best offer on 
the whole lot.


(4) 3630APC NEW in box - $ 1890 each !! - 6 month warranty

Sale prices are good until 8/30/14 or current inventory is sold

4  NEW3630APCBC 3.65 320 series Access Point
   $ 1890 each OBO

1  NEW5480APC  5.4 Ghz 430 series Access Point  
$ 1350 each OBO
3  Used5780APC 5.7 Ghz 430 series Access Point  
   $   950 each OBO

1  NEW9000APDDF 900 Mhz P10 Access Point - 
Integrated with filter$ 685 each OBO
7  Used9000APCDD 900 Mhz P10 Access Point - 
Connectorized   $ 285 each OBO
12Used9000APCBC 900 Mhz P9 Access Point - 
Connectorized $ 245 each OBO
100  Used9000SMCBC900 Mhz P9 Subscriber Modules - New 
Pigtail  $   45 each OBO

100  NEW5700SMG5.7Ghz P11 Subscriber Modules
 $65 each  OBO
100  Used5700SMG5.7Ghz P11 Subscriber Modules   
  $50 each OBO
6  NEW5750APDD   5.7Ghz P10 Access Point
 $   445 each OBO
6  NEW5751APG 5.7Ghz P11 Access Point - AES 
Encryption $   595 each OBO
2  NEW5750APG 5.7Ghz P11 Access Point - 
Connectorized   $   495 each OBO
7  NEW5750APBC   5.7Ghz P9 Access Point 
  $   225 each OBO
4  NEW5700BH20DD  5.7Ghz P10 20 Mbit Backhaul   
  $   300 each OBO
2  NEW5700BHC20G  5.7Ghz P11 20 Mbit Backhaul 
connectorized $   300 each OBO

100  NEW5400SMDD  5.7Ghz P10 Subscriber Modules 
$65 each OBO
3  NEW5450APDD   5.4Ghz P10 Access Point
 $   495 each OBO

Not everything we have in surplus stock is listed here.  If you are looking for 
something, please ask.  We have it on the shelves.

** PLEASE REPLY OFFLIST 

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net







Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net

[AFMUG] Downtilt tool

[Paul McCall via Af]

We have upgraded a bunch of towers to ePMP (2.4) are finding we are going to 
really be more exacting with our downtilts to avoid spectrum overlap... more 
than we did with 100 series, because of the SNR requirements.  I assume 2.4 450 
would have similar requirements.

So, I want to map out my down-tilt plans .  Is there a good online tool for 
this?

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] Downtilt tool

[Paul McCall via Af]

Adam,

That’s what I was thinking also.  That would be handy

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett via Af
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 11:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Downtilt tool


That's the method I've generally used.  You can further calculate based on the 
vertical beamwidth where the outer edge of the -3db coverage circle would land, 
and where the inner edge would land.  Then you can attempt to visualize it.

I feel like somebody once linked to an online map tool that would show you a 
simple visualization of where your sector would cover.   I can't think of who 
or when now.
Trig?  Tangent?
How far out do you want to focus the main lobe?
Take the tower height, divided by that distance (both in the same units) and do 
the arctan of that.

So if the tower was 200 feet, and you want to target a spot 2 miles away,
arctan(200/10560)=1 degree



From: Paul McCall via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:13 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Downtilt tool

We have upgraded a bunch of towers to ePMP (2.4) are finding we are going to 
really be more exacting with our downtilts to avoid spectrum overlap… more than 
we did with 100 series, because of the SNR requirements.  I assume 2.4 450 
would have similar requirements.

So, I want to map out my down-tilt plans .  Is there a good online tool for 
this?

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>

Re: [AFMUG] SM Isolation question

[Paul McCall via Af]

We don’t have that exact scenario, but you could monitor or throttle through a 
router (Mikrotik) or use the SM QOS to help mitigate that (somewhat)

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson via Af
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 4:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SM Isolation question

The other issue is p2p traffic between two people on the same AP and if you 
are doing bandwidth shaping in your router, even at the tower, you will never 
see these packets. Or in the case the original poster asked about, that 
customer could keep a high-def window open of all their video cameras at the 
other location, using 3-4Mbps of constant traffic, and you would never see it.

Travis

On 10/15/2014 1:48 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote:
> When you forward SM-to-SM traffic upstream, there's nothing the router 
> can do about it. Put the two locations on different IP subnets so that 
> traffic between the two has to be routed. Or turn off SM isolation.
>
> I leave SM isolation off because I'm not that paranoid. The biggest 
> risk is broadcast/multicast crap flying around. So use the SM uplink 
> broadcast/multicast rate limiting. This is one of the best features of 
> Canopy, IMO.
>
> On 10/15/2014 2:23 PM, Christopher Tyler via Af wrote:
>> We have a customer that has two SM's on the same AP at separate 
>> physical locations (home and office). The have a DVR at each location 
>> that they want to view. Everything is configured properly on their
>> end to view the DVR's on port 80 through their routers.   Problem is 
>> that we have SM isolation turned on with option 2 to forward packets 
>> upstream and they want to see the home when at the office and the 
>> office when at home.
>>
>> So I set up a mangle rule in my Mikortik to mark the packets with a 
>> routing mark based on the SRC and DST addresses, and then used a 
>> static route for anything what that mark and send it back to the AP 
>> port. It doesn't work, what am I doing wrong, any suggestions short 
>> of disabling SM isolation?
>>
>>
>
>

[AFMUG] FS: Lots of stuff :)

[Paul McCall via Af]

** PLEASE REPLY OFFLIST 

We will have approximately 50 P10 2400SMs available on Wednesday, being pulled 
from working service from PDMNet's network on Tuesday- $ 75 each (minimum qty 
10).   OR best offer on the whole lot.

We also have about 20 P10 2450APs (stock - integrated) and about 30 P10 2450APs 
connectorized - $ 300 each (minimum qty 3)  OR best offer on the whole lot.

6 month warranty on all of PDMNet's used gear - buy with confidence!

Also,  we have about 25 or so L-COM 120 degree 2.4 Ghz sectors in OK condition, 
working, but sold AS-IS (non-DOA). $ 75 each (minimum qty 3) OR best offer on 
the whole lot.


(4) 3630APC NEW in box - $ 1890 each !! - 6 month warranty

Sale prices are good until 10/30/14 or current inventory is sold

4  NEW3630APCBC 3.65 320 series Access Point
   $ 1890 each OBO

1  NEW5480APC  5.4 Ghz 430 series Access Point  
$ 1350 each OBO
3  Used5780APC 5.7 Ghz 430 series Access Point  
   $   950 each OBO

1  NEW9000APDDF 900 Mhz P10 Access Point - 
Integrated with filter$ 685 each OBO
7  Used9000APCDD 900 Mhz P10 Access Point - 
Connectorized   $ 285 each OBO
12Used9000APCBC 900 Mhz P9 Access Point - 
Connectorized $ 245 each OBO
100  Used9000SMCBC900 Mhz P9 Subscriber Modules - New 
Pigtail  $   45 each OBO

100  NEW5700SMG5.7Ghz P11 Subscriber Modules
 $65 each  OBO
100  Used5700SMG5.7Ghz P11 Subscriber Modules   
  $50 each OBO
6  NEW5750APDD   5.7Ghz P10 Access Point
 $   445 each OBO
6  NEW5751APG 5.7Ghz P11 Access Point - AES 
Encryption $   595 each OBO
2  NEW5750APG 5.7Ghz P11 Access Point - 
Connectorized   $   495 each OBO
7  NEW5750APBC   5.7Ghz P9 Access Point 
  $   225 each OBO
4  NEW5700BH20DD  5.7Ghz P10 20 Mbit Backhaul   
  $   300 each OBO
2  NEW5700BHC20G  5.7Ghz P11 20 Mbit Backhaul 
connectorized $   300 each OBO

100  NEW5400SMDD  5.7Ghz P10 Subscriber Modules 
$65 each OBO
3  NEW5450APDD   5.4Ghz P10 Access Point
 $   495 each OBO

Not everything we have in surplus stock is listed here.  If you are looking for 
something, please ask.  We have it on the shelves.

** PLEASE REPLY OFFLIST 

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net







Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

[Paul McCall via Af]

Kurt,

I have some comments inline.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser via Af
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 2:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

I started the spring deploying 450 in 2.4ghz, 5ghz, and 3.65ghz and then middle 
of the summer deciding i had to"try" some ePMP because the cost was so low I 
couldn't resist I can say now that I am fairly certain I will probably 
stick with the 450. There are many small reasons that when I considered them 
all i came to this conclusion. Here are my reasons:

1. ePMP latency starts to go up quickly once you have more than 10 clients on 
an AP. Once you get over 20 clients the latency is pretty much 25-30 ms. 
Cambium was honest about this at the road tour and they noted if you want the 
best latency to stick with the 450.  The BIGGEST factor on ePMP (or any 802.11) 
is quality installs EVERY time.  You cannot have borderline customers (lots of 
retransmissions in the stats) or you will really hurt the APs ability to do its 
thing.  This is not new to 802.11, but very different from regular Canopy gear. 
You have to raise your standards of what is acceptable from a SNR and link test 
capability. Our standard is evolving on this, but if we have a radio performing 
at less than 50% of maximum capacity, we don’t accept it.  We do whatever it 
takes to get better LOS (or NLOS).
2. Sync between the two platforms is not there yet. If you have adjacent towers 
on the different platforms that can see each other you won't have sync.  Sync 
is coming Cambium has promised.
3. No remote spectrum analyzer for clients. This is HUGE for when the clients 
fire up their wireless camera and baby monitors and trash the whole spectrum.  
Agreed.  Remote SA is needed.  eDedect does a pretty good job and picking 
things up and we use Mikrotik routers inside the home to help diagnose 
Scan/Snoop whats going on inside the home.  This has been HUGE for us.
4.No burst bucket on CPE's.  Agreed.  Though we manage burst / sustained at the 
head-end
5.EPMP Interface is SLOWWW. Cambium explained at the tour they were offloading 
alot of processing power to the PC you are viewing the interface with and i 
can't be taking a quad core machine up a tower to work on these radios and do 
site surveys. I am working with a Panasonic Toughbook and takes FOREVER to log 
into the EPMP radios.  Agreed.  If the PCs would cache the Java libraries that 
come down to the PC, I think they would solve the problem.  I have suggested 
that o Cambium.
6. Fore some reason site surveys are a PITA with ePMP. Think its a combination 
of many factors here... slow interface one of them...  hmmm… not had an issue… 
our installers say they are easy.  The LEDs’ get you very close, then someone 
else tweaks them (another tech onsite or remotely from the office.  But, yes, 
the interface could be quicker.
7. EPMP in 5ghz DFS band has really low power output. Something like 13-14db. 
This has fixed in later firmware versions.  When using an omni antenna you 
can't get maximum legal EIRP out of the ePMP.
8. 450 link tests and SM modulation is pretty stable and predictable. EPMP 
seems like its all over the place. I don't think I have yet seen EPMP linktest 
get full up or down outside of a lab environment.  We have customers getting 
110Mbit aggregate on their link test in the field (UDP of course).



There might be other reasons but I'm pretty tired and was heading for bed.


Kurt Fankhauser

Wavelinc Communications

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

http://www.wavelinc.com

tel. 419-562-6405

fax. 419-617-0110

On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 5:05 PM, TJ Trout via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

I haven't been keeping real up to date on current generation ptmp offerings but 
we have a new site going up and I need to decide pretty quickly on some 
equipment. For the guys who have been using both 450 and epmp do you have any 
pros and cons ? Any reason to spend the extra money when epmp seems to have the 
same if not better performance , sync, etc?

My gut says 450 is going to be my best long term solution but with all of the 
positive epmp feedback it's hard to justify the extra money?

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

[Paul McCall via Af]

For us, the biggest issue is the replacement cost of the 450.  NOT the initial 
cost, that is what it is, but we are in the lightning capital of the world.  
Sometimes we can repair everything that gets hit and sometimes on a direct 
strike, we can’t repair any of it.  On most towers, we deploy 5 Ghz and 2.4 
Ghz, so 8 APs each.  Some are only one frequency band, so then there are only 
4.  Say those 4 APs are supporting 50 customers at $ 45 each… $ 2250 / month. 
(most towers are a less than that and some are more).  So, if I lose $ 8K in 
APs ($ 2000 x 4) in one evening, I am looking at least 4 months of lost revenue 
just to replace those APs (not counting labor, etc.)  We have had commercial, 
well-grounded towers that get hit twice in a season, so that’s 8 months 
(probably more like 10 months loss in real business terms) per year.  That 
makes NO sense to play that game.

And, again, a lot of towers have two frequency bands, thus 8 APs.  We have had 
4 commercial towers out of 18 with total losses this year on the APs.  
Thankfully, the used market on 100 series APs is very low cost, so not nearly 
as big of an impact.

So, with ePMP APs (while maybe not as good as 450APs) I can at least cut my 
losses by 80%.  That’s a big deal !

Unfortunately, that reality forces my hands.

Paul


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini via Af
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 5:27 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

So it's Roy against the world of sync 😀

Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini



On Oct 19, 2014, at 5:20 PM, Rory Conaway via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Yea, I covered that in one of my articles.  I just didn’t see everyone sitting 
around the campfire singing Kumbya.  Another reason I don’t worry about GPS.   
My next article covers my main reason.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds via Af
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 1:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

LOL :)

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
On 10/19/2014 08:13 AM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:
I’m assuming all 12 WISPs cooperate with each other?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 5:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

Entirely not true spoken by a WISP that has up until this point used Mikrotik 
and Ubiquiti in rural and suburban markets with 12 WISP competitors.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: "Mark Radabaugh via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 3:52:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons
And now your completely out of spectrum and can't deploy anything new.  I 
suppose the good part for you is nobody else can do anything given the amount 
of noise your making.

Mark

On 10/18/14, 1:27 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote:
You just hit the nail on the head why we have never considered deploying 450 
(and similar) in the past:

By the time "you" (relative term) have the cashflow to pay for those sectors, 
"we" (another relative term, for people deploying UBNT or similar) have already 
thrown up 4-6 shielded sectors and at least 10 clients per. If we don't think 
we can hit a decent sub density or at least make the site a valuable repeater, 
then we don't go there.

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
On 10/18/2014 09:01 AM, Kurt Fankhauser via Af wrote:
I prefer sectors too but math doesnt always work out. I'll put the omni in to 
get the site up and once the customers are there change it to sectors. The 450 
platform is very easy to drop sectors in and have the existing clients link 
right up. I have a couple sites with existing customers i am dropping a two 
sector 450 system in with 120 segree KP antennas. cant afford any more sectors 
than that per site right now...

Sent from my iPhone

Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110

On Oct 18, 2014, at 11:21 AM, Mike Hammett via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
I've noticed a lot of PMP operators are deploying omnis (presumably because 
they can't afford 4 APs. Give me TDMA Atheros with sectors over omnis on 
anything any day.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: "Kurt Fankhauser via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:38:14 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons
TJ,

No difference between the 3 different frequencies bands (other than NLOS range) 
as far as the product itself they are all the same animal. 2.

Re: [AFMUG] DFS issues

[Paul McCall via Af]

Craig,

We have a bunch of the 5.2 APs P9  in the warehouse if you need any.

Paul, PDMNet
772-564-6800

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig House via Af
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 11:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] DFS issues

We are starting to see a lot more DFS detections on 5.2 AP's.  We never used to 
have this problem.  Recent upgrades to firmware seem to be making this a more 
sensitive detection.  I have one tower tonight with 6 new FSK sectors that are 
on abcabc layout.  The sectors in this layout have radar detection on this 
tower at various times in the last 20 minutes on both sector c radios and on 
the second sector B.  I am also seeing this happen on towers where we have 
recently replaced connectorized AP's due to lightining damage where it was not 
a problem before.  we are running 13.1.3 on all of these radios.  What are my 
options here.  I cant just stop using 5.2 for APs???

Craig

Re: [AFMUG] List Admin

[Paul McCall via Af]

Nate... send to me...  my admin is out , so it might be a couple hours

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke via Af
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 10:03 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] List Admin

Who do we talk to about some Technical questions about the list? Trying to get 
a user subscribed, but it says they're already subscribed.  No list email seems 
to be coming in for them though.

Nate

Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered

[Paul McCall via Af]

Nope… we had a couple hiccups, so pushed it ...  other projects in the mix

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 7:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered

I thought that email on the 29th was the 48 hour notice. Apparently not the 
case?


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL>

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From: "Paul McCall via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 2:38:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered
In the header, yes, it will show the actual sender for the From line

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie via Af
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 10:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered

Sounds good, will this show the sender of each email in the "from" line, or is 
that a separate matter entirely?

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 8:20 PM, Paul McCall via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Guys,

As some of you are aware, PDMNet’s behind the scenes management of the AFMUG 
list as a service to Chuck McCown and his companies, involves hosting on an 
Amazon server.  Some very good things have come from that decision so far… no 
mail delivery issues (no server issues, no blacklisting or greylisting issues 
etc. to our knowledge).  The EC2 / SES platform is very robust, though overly 
complex at first blush.  A lot more time went to getting this setup that we 
anticipated, but that’s life.   It costs a little more to use this platform, (I 
know.. I know) but long term, I think we will be happy with it.

One of the differences is the way the headers are handled.  Out of the box, 
Amazon required us to “munge” the headers in such a way that we could customize 
them to meet Amazon’s strict mass-emailing rules.  This causes some differences 
in the way the mail is delivered, causing a few of you who use a different type 
of threading than most of us, some grief.  We are way PAST the discussion about 
what is “right” etc.  Respectfully, lets move on from that “debate”.

The only way that Amazon provides to do things in a more conventional email 
header fashion is to use their API.  We knew this was an option when we brought 
the list live, but also anticipated a bit of a learning curve.  And, indeed it 
was!

We have gotten comfortable with the API and have been running it on our test 
Mailman list internally.  Basically the API allows us / requires us to process 
each AFMUG subscriber as an authenticated / confirmed email address.  S…. 
In order to use the API, we need to authenticate all the current users of the 
list.   We can send a batch through the API to generate the confirmation email 
to everyone, but before I did it, I wanted to give you a heads up.  NEW 
subscribers will first join the mailman AFMUG group and once confirmed, will 
then get an Amazon confirmation immediately thereafter.  Unsubscribing will 
also remove you from an authenticated user for the list.

Assuming that we haven’t overlooked something (and, I am sure you guys will let 
me know that, LOL ) I would like to give a 48 hour notice that we will make the 
change, and you will get the Amazon email after that window.

All in favor ?   All opposed?

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com<http://www.pdmnet.com/>
pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>

[AFMUG] PTP450 3.65

[Paul McCall via Af]

Anybody using these yet?  Results?

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net

[AFMUG] Questions on Cambium ePMP 2.4 90/120 degree sector

[Paul McCall via Af]

We have done a 50+ unit ePMP forklift yesterday/today and are having some 
issues right at the edge of the 90 degree sector coverage.  We have the sectors 
installed at 0,90,180, 270 degrees  - very precisely - we had great landmarks 
to use for a guide at each degree)

(week signals right at these spots - 40 to 50 degree, 130 to 140 degree, 220 to 
230 degree, and 310 to 320 degree areas), starting at about the 3 mile point 
and moving outward.

My understanding is that this same sector can be used as a 120 degree sector as 
well (I guess with an extra 3dB or rolloff), so I am surprised that we are 
seeing these issues on the fringe of 90 degree coverage.

Anybody else having issues like this?

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 3.65

[Paul McCall via Af]

I want to make sure we are on the same page.  Not asking about the PMP450 3.65  
  I am asking about the PTP450 3.65



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh via Af
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 12:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 3.65



I do have a 450 on a KP Omni with 44 customers on it.   Seems to work

quite well so far.   The longest is at 2.9 miles, most are inside 1 mile.



This is a very space constrained tower with a propensity for getting hit by 
lightning.



At some point it will likely be converted to 4 sectors.



Mark







On 10/22/14, 11:53 AM, Matt via Af wrote:

>> Anybody using these yet?  Results?

> Expensive.  Works great.  Omni results in less then half range if you

> go that way though.





--

Mark Radabaugh

Amplex



m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021

Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 3.65

[Paul McCall via Af]

I was hoping it might be usable to replace a UBNT 3.65 link at 18 miles that is 
getting me only about 35 to 40Mbit of throughput.  60 to 70 Mbit would be a 
help.  Not sure if that is a reasonable expectation

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh via Af
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 12:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 3.65

Sorry - didn't catch the extra P

I have one 5.4 version running.   It's actually better on throughput that I was 
expecting but we have seen long delays in getting it to establish a link even 
with excellent signal strength.

Mark

On 10/22/14, 12:27 PM, Paul McCall via Af wrote:

I want to make sure we are on the same page.  Not asking about the PMP450 3.65  
  I am asking about the PTP450 3.65



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh via Af
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 12:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 3.65



I do have a 450 on a KP Omni with 44 customers on it.   Seems to work

quite well so far.   The longest is at 2.9 miles, most are inside 1 mile.



This is a very space constrained tower with a propensity for getting hit by 
lightning.



At some point it will likely be converted to 4 sectors.



Mark







On 10/22/14, 11:53 AM, Matt via Af wrote:

>> Anybody using these yet?  Results?

> Expensive.  Works great.  Omni results in less then half range if you

> go that way though.





--

Mark Radabaugh

Amplex



m...@amplex.net<mailto:m...@amplex.net>  419.837.5015 x 1021






--

Mark Radabaugh

Amplex



m...@amplex.net<mailto:m...@amplex.net>  419.837.5015 x 1021