[amsat-bb] Re: AO-27 to the south

[David - KG4ZLB]

That's about what I observe too David. I am the other side of the State 
to Sebastian and find that on any pass south to north, it is switching 
to analogue between three quarters of the way up FL and the middle of 
the Country.

David
KG4ZLB



Sebastian wrote:
> Hi David.
>
> I live in the southern part of the state of Florida, and from my  
> observations, it seems AO-27 turns on when it's near the center of the  
> USA.  From looking at the footprint, that puts me in range for perhaps  
> 5 minutes, and most of Mexico for about the same amount of time.  This  
> of course is when the bird is usable for me.
>
> You can check the official AO-27 homepage, where there is a link for  
> the status of the satellite for a 24 hour period here: 
> http://www.ao27.org/AO27/index.shtml
>
> 73 de W4AS
> Sebastian
>
> On Apr 26, 2009, at 9:58 PM, David Giles wrote:
>
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[amsat-bb] Re: New version of AO-27 Schedule Lister released!!!

[David - KG4ZLB]

Greg,

I had the same problem, the main links are not working, use the first of 
the attachments at the bottom of that page (for Windows at least), that 
definitely works and gives you version 1.1


HTH

David
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George Henry wrote:
> I'm no Java whiz either (my son is the programmer, not me), but my best 
> guess is that you need to update your Java Runtime version.  The program was 
> compiled on a computer with JRE 1.6.0, so you probably need that version. 
> The Windows .exe has run fine on all 5 computers I've tested it on, and all 
> are at JRE 1.6.0.  The .jar ran fine on the Ubuntu 8.04 ("Hardy Heron") box 
> I tested it on, but I did not check the Java version on that machine.
>
> In Windows, you can check your JRE version clicking the Java icon in Control 
> Panel, or by typing
>
> java -version
>
> on the command line.
>
> 73,
>
> George, KA3HSW
>
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Greg D." 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:18 AM
> Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] New version of AO-27 Schedule Lister released!!!
>
>
>
> Hi George,
>
> I'm kind of dense when it comes to Java applications, but I can't get either 
> version to run.  The Windows version pops up an error box saying "Could not 
> find main class. Program will exit.", and the Linux (cross-platform) version 
> says all this stuff, below.  What am I doing wrong?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Greg  KO6TH
>
>
> g...@p3200:~/download/AO-27_Scheduler> java -jar AO-27Lister1.1.jar
> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsupportedClassVersionError: Bad 
> version number in .class file
> at java.lang.ClassLoader.defineClass2(Native Method)
> at java.lang.ClassLoader.defineClass(ClassLoader.java:719)
> at 
> java.security.SecureClassLoader.defineClass(SecureClassLoader.java:160)
> at java.net.URLClassLoader.defineClass(URLClassLoader.java:254)
> at java.net.URLClassLoader.access$100(URLClassLoader.java:56)
> at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:195)
> at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
> at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:188)
> at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:306)
> at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Launcher.java:268)
> at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:251)
> at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClassInternal(ClassLoader.java:319)
> g...@p3200:~/download/AO-27_Scheduler>
>
>
>
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[amsat-bb] How satellites could 'sail' home

[David - KG4ZLB]

>From "Auntie" (or the BBC for anyone not from England!) 


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[amsat-bb] Re: Equipment/Software

[David - KG4ZLB]

Hi Mike,

Well I am sure that my set-up is very similar to a lot of other op's on 
this board but here goes!

1) Radio is an Icom 910HX, Rotator is the G5500 and SatPC32 to do the 
tracking!

Why SatPC32? Because its a dedicated program that does exactly what it 
says on the tin (unlike Ham Radio Deluxe which is a jack of all trades 
and master of none, IMHO, and still has Icom issues), has  great 
customer service, all sale proceeds go to AMSAT and a lot of people on 
the BB use it so there is no shortage of help when needed (Thanks to 
Alan, WA4SCA!)

2) Interface between 910 and PC is a CI-V clone cable available on e-bay 
for less than $20

3) Interface between PC and G5500 is an LVB Tracker - why?
Again, profits to AMSAT, super after sales service, it works and works 
well and it really looks nice in my shack! If you have the money then 
sure, go buy the Yeasu alternative but you can buy an awful lot of other 
goodies with the change that an LVB will give you!

4) Because I do not have the "proper" Icom CI-V unit, I can only control 
one radio at a time with SatPC32 so when AO-51 is in Mode S, I use the 
910 for the receive side allowing SatPC 32 to calculate the doppler. For 
transmitting, say on 2m (When in Mode V/S) I use my Icom 706MKIIG and 
just leave the transmit frequency alone - works like a charm. When AO-51 
is in Mode L/S then SatPC32 can do everything I need through the 910. 
The 706 is only used when Mode S is on as it ties up the 2m band.

5) 1.2Ghz antenna is the helical antenna built and sold by Bob, W7LRD - 
its solid, performs excellently, Bob is on hand in the event of problems 
and he donates 20% of each sale to AMSAT.

6) Currently I have a BBQ dish feeding a downconverter but I spoke to 
Bob (W7LRD) about ordering a 2.4ghz helical antenna which will replace 
the BBQ dish as its rather heavy and cumbersome. but again, it works and 
as I paid $15 for it and the downconverter, I really can't complain. But 
with Dayton next week, I am saving my pennies so I will order the 
antenna when I get back.

Now one thing that I did not see on your list was pre-amps!

 Again in my opinion, you really can not do without them. A lot of 
people will steer you towards SSB Electronics or ARR as sources and yes, 
they are great pre-amps but if you are putting a station together and 
you have the 910 have a think about the much maligned Icom pre-amps - 
yes, I know they do not publish noise figures and everyone says they are 
crap etc, etc but you can not blow them up by transmitting through them, 
they do not need a separate DC feed, they are readily available and they 
do work. Last evening I had an SO-50 15 degree pass out over the 
Atlantic and I worked a station and then turned the pre-amp off 
afterwards and I could not hear him. That pre-amp made the difference 
between a successful QSO or not one at all.

Now I know that people reading this will say, "hang on, 15 degrees, why 
the big problem?" but let me explain that currently I live in an HOA 
community that does not like you painting the front door or changing the 
brand of toilet tissue without having written permission from the Board 
of very old people with far too much time on their hands. So my antennas 
are probably no more than 6 feet off of the ground within the confines 
of a pool cage. Whilst that sounds very restrictive, and to an extent it 
is, I work all of the analogue birds, the ISS and I get pictures from 
the weather sats. Last month I worked 171 stations. So it can be done.

I hope that some of the above is of use, if you want any pictures of 
what I have here then please e-mail me off the BB and I would be happy 
to send you some.

73's for now

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Mike wrote:
> Okay, I am starting to build my station after playing around with the
> portable. So far I have acquired an IC-910 with 1.2G, power supply, G-5500
> AZ/EL rotor, M2 2MCP14 and 436CP30 antennas. To finish I have the following
> questions. 
>
> 1. What radio, rotor and tracking software are you using and why? (I am
> using Orbitron right now) 
>
> 2. What interface are you using for an IC-910H and why? 
>
> 3. What interface are you using for your G-5500 rotor and why? 
>
> 4. What are you using for the radio side for 2.4G? 
>
> 5. What antenna are you using for 1.2G? 
>
> 6. What antenna are you using for 2.4G? 
>
> Thank you in advance for your time and help. 
> 73 
> Mike
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[amsat-bb] Re: Equipment/Software

[David - KG4ZLB]

Greetings,

I just wanted to update my comment about only being able to control only 
one Icom radio with SatPC32 without the proper Icom CI-V deely!
Both Tim and Stan sent me e-mails and I then entered into e-mail 
correspondence with Erich.

After visiting CellPhone Shack, (sorry "RadioShack"), I purchased a 
splitter and then connected the 706MKIIG and the 910 and changed the 
CI-V addresses in SatPC32 and yes, I now have control of both radio's 
from SatPC32 which means that I can uplink on 2m using the 706 when 
AO-51 is in v/s mode and also receive on 10m using the 706 for AO-7 in 
Mode A.

Yet another addition to my long line of recommendations for the use of 
SatPC32!

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David - KG4ZLB wrote:
> Hi Mike,
>
> Well I am sure that my set-up is very similar to a lot of other op's 
> on this board but here goes!
>
> 1) Radio is an Icom 910HX, Rotator is the G5500 and SatPC32 to do the 
> tracking!
>
> Why SatPC32? Because its a dedicated program that does exactly what it 
> says on the tin (unlike Ham Radio Deluxe which is a jack of all trades 
> and master of none, IMHO, and still has Icom issues), has  great 
> customer service, all sale proceeds go to AMSAT and a lot of people on 
> the BB use it so there is no shortage of help when needed (Thanks to 
> Alan, WA4SCA!)
>
> 2) Interface between 910 and PC is a CI-V clone cable available on 
> e-bay for less than $20
>
> 3) Interface between PC and G5500 is an LVB Tracker - why?
> Again, profits to AMSAT, super after sales service, it works and works 
> well and it really looks nice in my shack! If you have the money then 
> sure, go buy the Yeasu alternative but you can buy an awful lot of 
> other goodies with the change that an LVB will give you!
>
> 4) Because I do not have the "proper" Icom CI-V unit, I can only 
> control one radio at a time with SatPC32 so when AO-51 is in Mode S, I 
> use the 910 for the receive side allowing SatPC 32 to calculate the 
> doppler. For transmitting, say on 2m (When in Mode V/S) I use my Icom 
> 706MKIIG and just leave the transmit frequency alone - works like a 
> charm. When AO-51 is in Mode L/S then SatPC32 can do everything I need 
> through the 910. The 706 is only used when Mode S is on as it ties up 
> the 2m band.
>
> 5) 1.2Ghz antenna is the helical antenna built and sold by Bob, W7LRD 
> - its solid, performs excellently, Bob is on hand in the event of 
> problems and he donates 20% of each sale to AMSAT.
>
> 6) Currently I have a BBQ dish feeding a downconverter but I spoke to 
> Bob (W7LRD) about ordering a 2.4ghz helical antenna which will replace 
> the BBQ dish as its rather heavy and cumbersome. but again, it works 
> and as I paid $15 for it and the downconverter, I really can't 
> complain. But with Dayton next week, I am saving my pennies so I will 
> order the antenna when I get back.
>
> Now one thing that I did not see on your list was pre-amps!
>
> Again in my opinion, you really can not do without them. A lot of 
> people will steer you towards SSB Electronics or ARR as sources and 
> yes, they are great pre-amps but if you are putting a station together 
> and you have the 910 have a think about the much maligned Icom 
> pre-amps - yes, I know they do not publish noise figures and everyone 
> says they are crap etc, etc but you can not blow them up by 
> transmitting through them, they do not need a separate DC feed, they 
> are readily available and they do work. Last evening I had an SO-50 15 
> degree pass out over the Atlantic and I worked a station and then 
> turned the pre-amp off afterwards and I could not hear him. That 
> pre-amp made the difference between a successful QSO or not one at all.
>
> Now I know that people reading this will say, "hang on, 15 degrees, 
> why the big problem?" but let me explain that currently I live in an 
> HOA community that does not like you painting the front door or 
> changing the brand of toilet tissue without having written permission 
> from the Board of very old people with far too much time on their 
> hands. So my antennas are probably no more than 6 feet off of the 
> ground within the confines of a pool cage. Whilst that sounds very 
> restrictive, and to an extent it is, I work all of the analogue birds, 
> the ISS and I get pictures from the weather sats. Last month I worked 
> 171 stations. So it can be done.
>
> I hope that some of the above is of use, if you want any pictures of 
> what I have here then please e-mail me off the BB and I would be happy 
> to send you some.
>
> 73's for now
>
> David
>

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[amsat-bb] AMSAT UK Oscar News

[David - KG4ZLB]

I am not sure how many members of AMSAT NA are also members of AMSAT UK 
nor indeed, how many "UK" members subscribe to this board but I would 
like to take the opportunity of publicly thanking Dave Johnson (G4DPZ), 
Jim Heck (G3WGM) and anyone else involved in the production and 
publication of AMSAT UK "Oscar News" (Number 185, March 2009) which 
found its way down to me today here in deepest "ex-pat" 4 land.

A really excellent job.

73

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[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award #500

[David - KG4ZLB]

My two cents worth.

I fully agree with Tim's original response in that the numbers should be 
as accurate as possible and not drawn "lottery style".

I also think that Bruce should maybe have not said anything at all as 
the potential implosion and current bickering about this could have been 
avoided by Bruce not saying anything and we would all have been 
blissfully unaware and got on with life :-D

Nate's comments about volunteering (as well as Barry's comments about 
the same at the AMSAT Forum at Dayton this past weekend) bring up 
another issue though.
Has the volunteer page on the website been fixed yet and for the (at 
least) three members (including myself) that's I know of, who have 
offered our services over the last 6 or so months, had our information 
stored?; will it be actioned and how many others have volunteered to 
help but heard nothing in return or been the victim of the websites 
broken links.

Yes I know the website is maintained by a volunteer, sort of a a catch 
22 isn't it?

73

David
KG4ZLB

Nate Duehr wrote:
>
> I didn't see any volunteers to do the job.  Or in the more modern
> vernacular:  "Step up, or step off." 
>
> Volunteer organizations exist because people volunteer.  Not because
> they complain about the organization or the processes the organization
> uses.  If all it took was votes to run a country...  or AMSAT... or
> anything... 
>
> How many members in AMSAT?  How many working on for for AMSAT?  In a
> volunteer organization, you either complain about stuff, or fix it
> yourself... there's really only two choices when it comes down to it.
>
>
>
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[amsat-bb] Re: iss 9k6 today?

[David - KG4ZLB]

Its 1200 baud, that was a typo!

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Mr Jeffrey L Ross wrote:
> hi folks, in the latest sat report 141 they are reporting that the ISS 
> downlink/uplink is 9k6. is this true, see they did just change the digi to 
> rs0iss-3. it was rs0iss-4.
> I hit it the other day at 1k2 (1200baud) kc8gkf-5
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[amsat-bb] Russia 'to save its ISS modules'

[David - KG4ZLB]

Click this! <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8064060.stm>

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[amsat-bb] Re: unknown packet signal information

[David - KG4ZLB]

Is NO-44 (PCSAT) working again then?

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David J wrote:
> Tim and Mike,
> Thanks for letting me know it was NO-44. I wasn't tracking it nor setup 
> to demodulate the mode either. 
>
> Dave
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[amsat-bb] Kenwood TM-D710A - help needed!

[David - KG4ZLB]

Hi everyone,

If anyone in the group is using one of these radio's to send and receive 
ISS and PCSAT packet, could they spare me some time with a couple of 
e-mails (off board) in helping me set my radio up for this?

Thanks in advance

David
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[amsat-bb] Re: Kenwood TM-D710A - help needed!

[David - KG4ZLB]

Many thanks to Jim (KQ6EA) and Kim (AC7YY) for responding with help!

David
KG4ZLB



David - KG4ZLB wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> If anyone in the group is using one of these radio's to send and 
> receive ISS and PCSAT packet, could they spare me some time with a 
> couple of e-mails (off board) in helping me set my radio up for this?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> David
> KG4ZLB
>
>
> David
> KG4ZLB
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[amsat-bb] Re: DJ-G7T programming cable question

[David - KG4ZLB]

Whether or not a question is raised after someone has actually tried to work it 
out for themselves or not is immaterial. 

If this reflector, which lets face it is concerned with some fairly high level 
stuff in comparison to normal ham radio operations), is going to go the way of 
responding to a perfectly reasonable question with the reply of "read the 
**g manual", then newcomers and interested observers are going to beat a 
hasty retreat thinking that AMSAT is elitist. 

We must not be seen to be typical of the 'those that know' wanting to protect 
their playground mentality.

I have asked some downright stupidly basic questions on here over the years and 
have always been responded to with friendliness and professionalism even though 
I have often had a mental picture of my "helpers" banging their heads against a 
wall in frustration. But on the back of that I have been able to help with 
other people's issues where the same question has arisen.

If questions offend then use a combination of filters and the delete key.

My 2 peso's worth.

David KG4ZLB



Justin Pinnix wrote:
> Well, there's a guy on eHam who responds to every question with "that's a
> stupid question" or "go look it up".  That just doubles the amount of noise
> :-)
>
> I'm all for experimenting as well, but randomly plugging unknown devices
> together is a good way to blow something up.  What if the programming cable
> is putting out +-12v (EIA RS-232) but the radio only wants to see +5
> (CMOS/TTL)?
>
> 73 de AJ4MJ
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:
>
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[amsat-bb] Re: DJ-G7T programming cable question

[David - KG4ZLB]

No, don't agree.

Man has to eat and will learn or be taught to fish or die!

If man can not program his radio and can not work it out for himself and 
can't get a reply on a board such as this then he will go and maybe 
never come back and that's another satellite operator we may have lost.

But he will still eat :-D

David
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Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:
> Surely we should encourage people to think for themselves and at least 
> try to sort their own issues.
> What are they going to do when the more experienced are no longer here.
>
> Isn't "Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to 
> fish; and you have fed him for a lifetime" relevent here?
>
>
> David - KG4ZLB wrote:
>

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[amsat-bb] Re: Full Duplex HT's

[David - KG4ZLB]

A couple or three years ago there was an influx of h/t's into the UK via 
e-bay with origins in China - I believe they were marketed under the 
name JingTong (I kid you not)

If I recall correctly, they were so bad and caused so much interference 
that eventually the Regulatory Authority stepped in and ordered a ban on 
the sale of these things.

I was going to point out that they also did not have the CE mark 
(meaning they were not type approved in Europe) but to be honest that 
really does not make a jot of difference - anything can come in the UK, 
its only when it causes so much of a problem and enough people kick up a 
stink that matters are retrospectively actioned by which time its too 
little, too late!

You just have to love "light touch" regulation!

But I am with Clint here. Steer well clear.

73's David KG4ZLB



Howard Kowall wrote:
> Hello to all
> Just a follow up to the posting of full duplex handhelds
> Came across this ht,that a local ham ordered
> He was not sure if it was full duplex or not
> I will see if I can download a manual to see
> Just for a point of interest.
> I once had a VHF of a similar ht didn't work to good in the ham band
> And not sure if theses are type approved or FCC approved
> just a little head scratched for all of you out there
> Howard
> VE4ISP
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[amsat-bb] AO-51 V/S

[David - KG4ZLB]

Luc,

Sorry. In the heat of battle this morning I totally didn't recognise 
your call sign but thanks for the mode V/S contact on AO-51 just a short 
while ago!

73

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[amsat-bb] Re: 2.4 Antennas

[David - KG4ZLB]

Yes, having just had a nightmare week of S band downlink, I am curious 
as to how 20% is calculated!

If its 20% of the overall pass of the bird then you are doing very well 
methinks!



Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:
> If you remove the 80% that doesn't work..
>
> Douglas Anoman wrote:
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[amsat-bb] Re: 2.4 Antennas

[David - KG4ZLB]

If I had followed that logic last week then the 20% that was left would 
have been an N connector!

:-D



Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:
> My assumption was that 20% of the antenna worked, and therefore 
> removing the 80% that doen't work will leave him with a perfect 100% 
> working antenna.
>
>
> David - KG4ZLB wrote:
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[amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 Off U/S

[David - KG4ZLB]

According to the website, 435.150 is currently the downlink for 1.2 
uplink on the B side (Mode L/U) - I had a great 80 degree pass last 
evening which was showing great promise as the bird approached but I 
assume that it was terminated for telemetry collection reasons!

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Luc Leblanc wrote:
> On the 1300Z pass over FN36 there was no signal on 435.300mhz but the data 
> channel 435.150mhz was on!
>
>
> "-"
>
>
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[amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 L/U

[David - KG4ZLB]

Listening on the 22:24utc pass of AO-51 just now and for the second day 
running, the sudden distinct change in sound reception tells me that the 
analogue signal is being switched over to digital for TLM collection 
just as it gets to me in Florida.

If this is so then could we have a schedule of what passes TLM is going 
to be collected please - we only get a few days to work mode L and I am 
0 for 2  and I can not be bothered to waste time if the published 
schedule is not going to be adhered too!

If its just not working in L/U then forget the rant!

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n...@bellsouth.net wrote:
> Thanks for this Drew. I have just seen that designation on the AO-51 
> information page (the one linked to the status page on the AMSAT site) for 
> the first time, although I've made countless visits to that page over the 
> past year.
>
> For those who will operating Field Day from remote/portable sites and using 
> antennas like the Elk or Arrow, you may wish to check out this PDF, which I 
> found on the Cushcraft Web site:
>
> http://www.cushcraft.com/comm/support/pdf/Antenna-Polarization-14B32.pdf
>
> After reading it, I believe that AO-51 could prove to be more challenging to 
> work than usual this weekend, given a TX output in the SO-50 neighborhood and 
> the antenna mismatch many of us will be dealing with (i.e., linear polarized 
> antenna at the ground station vs. circularly polarized at the satellite).
>
> If I misread the document and have drawn inaccurate conclusions, I hope 
> someone will post a correction. However, it seems to me like this provides 
> all the more reason for us to focus on AO-7, FO-29 and VO-52 if we can.
>
> Thanks to all,
>
> Tim - N3TL
> -- Original message from "Andrew Glasbrenner" 
> : -- 
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[amsat-bb] Re: Field Day Call Signs

[David - KG4ZLB]

W4F from Naples, Florida Tim!

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n...@bellsouth.net wrote:
> Hey everyone,
>
> How about posting the call sign you'll be using over Field Day weekend for 
> satellite contacts?
>
> Here, I'll be providing the satellite station for the combined FD effort of 
> the Athens Amateur Radio Club and the Northeast Georgia ARC, and they have 
> obtained the special 1x1 call W4G for Field Day.
>
> I know many of us will be using club calls over Field Day, and I'm interested 
> in know "who will be who" this weekend.
>
> I'm also interested in CW contacts on AO-7, FO-29 and VO-52, so I hope those 
> of you who will be working those three will bring a key or paddle along. If 
> you do, please listen for W4G a few kHz below the middles of theses 
> satellites' passbands.
>
> 73 to all, and enjoy Field Day!
>
> Tim - N3TL
> Athens, Ga. - EM84ha
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[amsat-bb] AO-51 L/U

[David - KG4ZLB]

On the most recent pass (08:10 edt) was the bird in TLM mode? I heard 
nothing throughout the pass until the bird was way down over Mexico (and 
the angle would have been low for the command stations) when there was a 
definite change in the received audio - I am assuming that the command 
station then returned the bird to analogue mode before it was out of 
their footprint.

Can someone confirm?

Many thanks

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[amsat-bb] Re: NASA Kills Ulysses

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I know it would be expensive but on the "if you spread your net wide 
enough" view of thinking, could we not approach commercial satellite 
projects prior to launch and bung a transponder on them only to be used 
when the primary mission fails? OK, so you might win some, might lose 
some and I know it would be expensive but it seems better than the 
situation we have now, plus we could be potentially building in some 
long term birds that would replace the current ageing fleet. It would be 
a long term view, but it would be something!

Presumably this has been brought up before but no harm in re-hashing it 
for any new ideas especially with the BoD voting soon to happen! :-D

73

David

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STeve Andre' wrote:
> About the only thing we could do is use them as training guides for
> receiving weak signals.  Satellities are not designed to qsy, or do
> anything other than they actual function(s), specified long before
> they were ever built.  Add more to a bird increases complexity, and
> also failures.
>
> I'll bet they turned it off to free up that frequency for something
> else.  If that is the case then we can't even really try monitoring.
>
> I've often wondered about the ham community using old systems
> but except for really rare cases, they are just too specific to do
> anything for us.
>
> --STeve Andre'
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>
> On Wednesday 01 July 2009 12:13:19 w7...@comcast.net wrote:
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[amsat-bb] Re: Unused sats

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All good points but forget the HEO's for now - we just need a good 
source of regularly launched easy sats in LEO to augment the few working 
birds we have and replace what we have to as they fall out of the sky or 
just stop working.

God forbid they all got hit by debris and all failed but if that 
happened, what would we do ? Still be harping on about AO-40 and whining 
on about getting another HEO up there!

It will happen (maybe not in my lifetime :-D ) but the LEO's must be 
maintained as that is where we get our source of newcomers from, the new 
AMSAT members who will not fork out the thick end of a large amount of 
wedge for an HEO that might or might not get up there!

Just my two rupees worth

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Howie wrote:
> While the opportunity to ride share on a GEO sat is probably our best chance
> at a HEO transponder, it is still a very slim chance in my opinion. I have
> worked in the commercial satellite industry for over 25 years and the most
> valuable piece of real estate in existence is located in the Clark Belt.
> Commercial satellites are very much a "for profit" business and every watt
> of power and ounce of weight has a dollar value beyond comprehension. Even
> if we offered to pay our share of weight and power, it would not be enough
> because the loss of return on investment for the non revenue generating
> "hitch hiker" must be factored in as well. I now work for a subsidiary of
> the second largest satellite operator in the world who is expanding their
> business to offer "hosted payloads" to customers who want to orbit
> specialized payloads without having to launch their own satellite. One of my
> co-workers was invited to participate in a meeting of the group working on
> this offering. When I found out, I suggested he bring up the idea of
> launching a very small amateur payload as a demonstration of the great
> utility that can be achieved with a very small, cost effective payload. He
> did and the response was "You mean for free ?" He was never invited back. If
> we want to get on a commercial sat, we need to have something to "sell",
> i.e. a good reason for them to orbit something that may help them generate
> revenues in the near future. I can say with reasonable confidence that an
> analog bent pipe transponder will not be very interesting. Something along
> the lines of the Advanced Communications Package might. Even though I was
> not a big fan, the P-25 over satellite might be another good one if we could
> prove a good scenario. If we want a ride into HEO, we need to earn it.
>
> Howie AB2S
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[amsat-bb] Re: The Moon is our Future

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On the contrary, we need more LEO's to augment and replace the existing 
aged fleet.

Whilst AMSAT works on the HEO's lets put some of our efforts towards the 
Universities who seem to regularly put up 2/70 satellites!

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Jack K. wrote:
> I heard the same things when the first HEOs went up. It takes to much 
> money, it takes to much specialized equipment, it takes to much 
> knowledge, it is for elitists only... The bottom line is a LOT of hams 
> used them and it took some ingenuity, some new equipment, and yes we 
> all had to learn now things to use them. the bottom line is they 
> worked and worked well... My suggestion is quit looking at pitfalls 
> and problems as reasons not to do something, but as opportunities to 
> learn to accomplish new things (or improved communications anyway) and 
> move forward... We can put up all the leos we want, but until someone 
> makes something like B. Bruninga's cell concept work, we are only 
> going to have more of the same, We don't need more of the same!
>
> DE - KD1PE
>
>
> - Original Message - From: 
> To: ; "'Joe'" ; "'MM'" 
> Cc: "'Jack K.'" ; ; 
> 
> Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 8:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: The Moon is our Future
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[amsat-bb] Re: The Moon is our Future

[David - KG4ZLB]

Just a question but if you do not think the US got to the Moon in 1969 
and neither do you think they will get back to the Moon in 2012, how do 
you propose seeing an amateur repeater on the Moon?

Get the crew of the ISS to toss out a repeater, like SuitSat, but throw 
it really, really hard in the general direction of the Moon and hope it 
lands?

I don't understand your logic.

73 David
KG4ZLB




kd8...@aol.com wrote:
> Don't want to get a whole new thing started here but - I don't think we ever 
> went to the moon in 1969 and I don't think we will ever goto the moon - in 
> 2012 or whenever they proposed a "return" to the moon
>
> I would love to see an amatuer repeater on the moon thou - from my 
> understanding EME is expensive to do, so I think it would leave most of us 
> out 
>
> Where as and bringing things back around - LEOs are realitive low cost to use 
> to the normal everyday day 
>
> I will put my two cents in for more LEOs - :-) 
>
> Hey are there any geosynchinze amatuer sats up? 
>
> LeRoy, KD8BXP
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[amsat-bb] Re: The Moon is our Future

[David - KG4ZLB]

OK, I just love conspiracy theories  :-D

Are you really Michael Moore ?

:-D




kd8...@aol.com wrote:
> I don't think man will ever walk on the moon. And I really didn't want to 
> start a whole thing on this - 
> Someone said that a man would have to roll out an antenna for a amatuer 
> project - I just don't think that will ever happen 
> A small robotic rover could do it but then you are talking expensive unless 
> nasa was willing to give "us" time on a rover that was going to do 
> experiments for nasa
>
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[amsat-bb] Re: Antenna Question

[David - KG4ZLB]

How can you upload a web page if you have your "dog on it" ? Move the 
dog first then try! ;-)

Happy 4th all!

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Joel Black wrote:
> Happy Independence Day.
>
>
>
> Doggonit, I cannot upload to my webpage (something else yet to figure 
> out).  
>
>
>
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[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Forum videos from Dayton Hamvention

[David - KG4ZLB]

Yes indeed. Richard's presentation at the AMSAT forum was a much shorter 
version of the one he gave at the Banquet the night before and it would 
be great to have that in the archives.

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Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) wrote:
> Hi Steve!
>
>   
>
> Thanks for your work with the camcorder at Dayton!  During the
> AMSAT Forum, I had asked if videos would be made available in
> some form - and it's nice that they have.  I will look at them when
> I return home tomorrow, and have access to broadband.
>
> A question... regarding Richard Garriott, you uploaded one video of
> Richard speaking during the AMSAT Forum at the HamVention:
>
>   
>
> Is there any chance of posting Richard's talk at the AMSAT/TAPR
> Banquet the night before the AMSAT Forum?   I thought I saw you
> with the camcorder there as well.  That talk was longer, and would
> be a great addition to what Richard said at the Forum.
>
> 73!
>
>
>
>
> Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
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[amsat-bb] Re: Richard Garriott on BBC Newsnight tonight

[David - KG4ZLB]

And in Florida!

David
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Jim Jerzycke wrote:
> Oh? Works fine here in California
> Jim  KQ6EA
>
> --- On Mon, 7/6/09, Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF  wrote:
>
> From: Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF 
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Richard Garriott on BBC Newsnight tonight
> To: m5...@yahoo.co.uk
> Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org
> Date: Monday, July 6, 2009, 2:52 PM
>
> But only if youre ISP is in Britain.
>
>
> m5...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
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[amsat-bb] Re: IF you had a choice...

[David - KG4ZLB]

Hi Norman,

This is a topic that surfaces every so often and is not an easy one to 
answer.

So my two penneth worth is this!

If you are only interested in VHF and above, Satellites and terrestrial 
work - the 910 every time.

If you want a shack in a box that can do (primarily) HF, then the TS 
wins the day!

The reason I say "primarily" is that the TS exhibits a "birdie" right in 
the downlink frequency for SO-50 which renders use of that bird more or 
less impossible on that radio.

Its like trying to compare apples with oranges.

For sat work (for me) the 910.

For HF work, the Icom 756 Pro series. :-D

Others will give you different answers of course but the main factor for 
me if I was buying a radio now would be the SO-50 "birdie" issue. It may 
only affect one bird but there are not that many left up there and no 
plans to get any more up!

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Norman W Osborne wrote:
> Greetings to all.
> I am looking for owners and potential owners of the
> Icom 910H or Kenwood TS-2000.
>
> Opinions and thoughts of each radio appreciated.
>
> 73
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[amsat-bb] Re: IF you had a choice...

[David - KG4ZLB]

Drew just e-mailed me about my comment:
/
"It may only affect one bird but there are not that many left up there 
and no plans to get any more up! "/

and that that might be misleading!

I am happy to correct my statement by saying that what I was referring 
to was the easy sats, the FM voice, 2m up 70cm down or 70cm up 2m down, 
that everyone cuts their teeth on!

Drew has pointed out that Sumbandilla is V/U FM, CAS is V/U FM and 
transponder both, and Kiwisat is U/V FM and transponder.

According to the AMSAT website, Sumbandilla and Kiwisat are both 
awaiting a launch date and I have just heard that the other one is not 
up there either but all are slated for this year.

On the basis that they actually make it to orbit (and that's a big 
*"if"* of course, no sure thing in the launch business!), there will be 
AO-51, SO-50, AO-27, AO-7, ISS, and the three to come. Throw in FO-29 
and VO-52 (not strictly FM easy sats being as they are SSB birds) and we 
might have 10 usable voice birds.

Take out the two "birdie" issue satellites from the *current* 7 usable 
easy sats and the TS can not work nearly 30% of the available easy sats.

Factor in that AO-7 is getting old, ISS is rarely in cross band mode, 
and that brings the figures down to 5 working birds, three (or 60%) of 
which the TS *can* work.

If Kenwood have fixed the problem (and I haven't heard that they have or 
how they could retrospectively) and you want to get into serious 
satellite work, don't hamper yourself with a radio that will not do the job.

I am sure someone will say that my math is wrong but you get the point.

(Standing by with helmet and flak jacket on :-D )

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David - KG4ZLB wrote:
> Hi Norman,
>
> This is a topic that surfaces every so often and is not an easy one to 
> answer.
>
> So my two penneth worth is this!
>
> If you are only interested in VHF and above, Satellites and 
> terrestrial work - the 910 every time.
>
> If you want a shack in a box that can do (primarily) HF, then the TS 
> wins the day!
>
> The reason I say "primarily" is that the TS exhibits a "birdie" right 
> in the downlink frequency for SO-50 which renders use of that bird 
> more or less impossible on that radio.
>
> Its like trying to compare apples with oranges.
>
> For sat work (for me) the 910.
>
> For HF work, the Icom 756 Pro series. :-D
>
> Others will give you different answers of course but the main factor 
> for me if I was buying a radio now would be the SO-50 "birdie" issue. 
> It may only affect one bird but there are not that many left up there 
> and no plans to get any more up!
>
> 73
>

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[amsat-bb] Re: IF you had a choice...

[David - KG4ZLB]

you have old teeth :-D



Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:
> I cut my teeth on Oscar 6 and 7, 2M UP, 10M DOWN, SSB.
>
>
> David - KG4ZLB wrote:
> easy sats, the FM voice, 2m up 70cm down or 70cm up 2m down,
>

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[amsat-bb] Evidence of moon landings....!

[David - KG4ZLB]

..but there again, the BBC could also be in on this supposed 
hoax.yawn!

See for yourself <http://foxyurl.com/oUk>.

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[amsat-bb] Re: Evidence of moon landings....!

[David - KG4ZLB]

See


  Moon astronauts urge Mars mission

here! <http://foxyurl.com/p4w>

Rumours that Stephen Spielberg has been signed up to provide the special 
effects are currently unsubstantiated but obviously the BBC are already 
on board.

:-P

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[amsat-bb] Doug's (KD8CAO/P) recent road trip!

[David - KG4ZLB]

All,

I wanted to publicly thank Doug for going on the road recently and 
activating grids that we might not see again for some time and more 
especially for the QSL cards which he sent subsequently. Mine arrived 
today, a card for each contact with full 6 character grid square 
locators and County information -  great for those of us that chase 
these additional bits of information.

Many thanks Doug!

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[amsat-bb] Re: FUNcube a UK Linear Transponder Satellite

[David - KG4ZLB]

/*"*//*It is anticipated FUNcube will be launched into a Sun Synchronous 
Low Earth Orbit about 600-700km above the earth using one of the many 
launch opportunities that exist for Cubesat missions."*/

*_Many_* launch opportunities ???

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David Johnson wrote:
> Hi,
>
> AMSAT-UK has announced a new amateur satellite project – FUNcube – that
> features a 435 to 145 MHz Linear Transponder for SSB/CW operation. The
> project has received major initial funding from the Radio Communications
> Foundation (RCF) and is expected be developed in collaboration with
> ISIS-Innovative Solutions in Space BV.
>
> FUNcube is an educational single cubesat project with the goal of
> enthusing and educating young people about radio, space, physics and
> electronics.
>
> It will support the educational Science, Technology, Engineering, Maths
> (STEM) initiatives and provide an additional resource for the GB4FUN
> Mobile Communications Centre.
>
> The target audience consists of primary and secondary school pupils and
> FUNcube will feature a 145 MHz telemetry beacon that will provide a
> strong signal for the pupils to receive.
>
> It is planned to develop a simple receiver board that can be connected
> to the USB port of a laptop to display telemetry in an interesting way.
>
> The satellite will contain a materials science experiment, from which
> the school students can receive telemetry data which they can compare to
> the results they obtained from similar reference experiments in the
> classroom.
>
> FUNcube is the first cubesat designed to benefit this group and is
> expected to be the first UK cubesat to reach space.
>
> More details can be found at:
>
> http://www.uk.amsat.org/content/view/696/68/
>
> 73
> Dave, G4DPZ
> AMSAT-UK 1267
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[amsat-bb] Castor and Pollux (trivia)

[David - KG4ZLB]

/Trivia time!/

In Greek and Roman mythology Pollux was immortal whilst his brother, 
Castor was not (due to having different fathers you see; bit of an early 
social comment there!)

Presumably the builders of these cubesats by making them so heavy are 
trying to emulate the immortality of at least one of the brothers!

/Trivia time #2/

In the 1997 film "Face Off", the baddies played by Nicolas Cage and 
Alessandro Nivola ("who he?") are brothers named Castor and Pollux Troy 
(Damn good film too by Nic Cage standards!)

/Trivia time #3/

There is a US company called Castor and Pollux that makes pet foods 
etc.- (not sure what the connection is here; maybe if your dog eats 
their products he will live to a ripe old age!)

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Ivan Galysh wrote:
> The hemispheres are about 1/2 inch thick solid aluminum. It's built to 
> be heavy.
>
> Ivan
>
>
> Joe wrote:
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[amsat-bb] Space Shuttle

[David - KG4ZLB]

Space Shuttle at 8500 feet and travelling at 1650mph as the sonic boom 
hit my house - made the dog bark!

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[amsat-bb] Re: Kudos from K4DLG

[David - KG4ZLB]

I too have tried to help Dave with his BB problem including sending his 
message of help directly to the List Administrator - on the basis that 
you have had to post a message for him Tim, I guess the problem still 
exists (unfortunately!)

David
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n...@bellsouth.net wrote:
> Hey everyone,
>
> Dave, K4DLG, has asked me to post the following because he is unable to get 
> posts through to the BB.
>
> >From Dave:
> 
>
> I just want to take a moment to thank a number of folks that have 
> been adding much enjoyment to my satellite operations lately.
>
> Wednesday I found an envelope in my mailbox with a  bunch of QSLs 
> from Jim (ND9M) confirming QSOs in 13 different grid squares with 6 
> of them "new ones" for me along the East coast from Delaware to 
> Florida.  I recently logged 5 new squares with contacts with Patrick 
> (WD9EWK) in AZ and UT.  A few weeks ago I received some QSLs from 
> Doug (KD8CAO) providing me some new contacts into upper MI.  In 
> addition there has been Gail (KB0RZD) adding to my collection in the 
> midwest with many new grids, and John (K8YSE) with his trip to DE 
> helping those that needed DE for WAS or just for an additional grid 
> worked.  Rob (KD4ZGW) is always "popping up" somewhere in the US and 
> always willing to provide a contact to anyone making the trip.  Last 
> year Allen (N5AFV) provided me with some great contacts to some very 
> wet grid squares while operating /MM from a cruise ship.  There have 
> been others which I have missed, but none the less their efforts are 
> appreciated.
>
> These guys armed with their laptops, GPS units, handheld antennas, 
> radios, and maps take off into remote country and areas to provide us 
> with the enjoyment of working a new grid.  Then when they return they 
> have to face a pile of QSL requests from folks like me wanting to 
> confirm our new contacts.  They spend a lot of time and money with 
> nothing in return except the thanks from those of us that have 
> benefited from their efforts.
>
> There have been other posts recently publicly thanking these guys but 
> I just wanted to chime in and add my thanks for some great contacts 
> with some great guys!
>
> I just took a break from writing this note to go work AO-27.  I 
> didn't expect much because of the short pass and the fact that it was 
> a low pass to the East of me, however, much to my surprise and good 
> fortune I made a contact with Nick (KB1RVT) working from FN54!  Thanks 
> Nick, you made my day!
>
> Guys, I just want to add my sincere thanks and appreciation to your 
> efforts and desire to help enhance the amateur radio hobby for a 
> great many of us that enjoy working the "birds"!
>
> I hope someday the conditions will allow me to pack up a radio and 
> trek off into some area where I also can provide some contacts in a 
> new area and provide some QSLs for others.  However, in the meantime, 
> thanks to those of you that are currently   spending time to better 
> the hobby for all of us!
>
> Thanks!
>
> 73,
> Dave - K4DLG
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[amsat-bb] Re: FUNcube on Front Cover of Electronics Weekly magazine

[David - KG4ZLB]

We can only hope that the "RCF funding problem" recorded in the just 
published RSGB Board Minutes do not negatively impact upon this endeavour!

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Trevor . wrote:
> AMSAT-UK's FUNcube satellite project features on the front cover of the 
> August 12-18 edition of Electronics Weekly magazine 
>
> The printed edition of the magazine will be dropping through letterboxes 
> during Wednesday morning and you can read the digital version of Electronics 
> Weekly magazine online or download the pages in PDF format at 
>
> http://cde.cerosmedia.com/1D4a803d8814a11352.cde 
>
> The full FUNcube article titled 'Bringing FUN back to the classroom' by Steve 
> Bush is on page 8 and contains an interview with Graham Shirville G3VZV. 
>
> FUNcube is an educational single cubesat project with the goal of enthusing 
> and educating young people about radio, space, physics and electronics. It 
> has received major initial funding from the Radio Communications Foundation 
> (RCF). 
>
> It will support the educational Science, Technology, Engineering, Maths 
> (STEM) initiatives and provide an additional resource for the GB4FUN Mobile 
> Communications Centre.
>
> The target audience consists of primary and secondary school pupils and 
> FUNcube will feature a 145 MHz telemetry beacon that will provide a strong 
> signal for the pupils to receive. 
>
> It is planned to develop a simple receiver board that can be connected to the 
> USB port of a laptop to display telemetry in an interesting way.
>
> The satellite will contain a materials science experiment, from which the 
> school students can receive telemetry data which they can compare to the 
> results they obtained from similar reference experiments in the classroom. 
>
> FUNcube will carry a UHF to VHF linear transponder that will have up to 1 
> watt and which can be used by Radio Amateurs worldwide for SSB and CW 
> communications. Measuring just 10 * 10 * 10 cm, and with a mass of less than 
> 1kg, it will be the smallest ever satellite to carry a linear transponder and 
> the choice of frequencies will enable Radio Amateurs to use their existing 
> VO-52 or DO-64 station.
>
> A key feature of the satellite is the absence of an On-Board Computer. For 
> reliability and maximum power efficiency, the design has been kept as 
> straight-forward as possible with satellite control being achieved using 
> simple commands. 
>
> FUNcube contact: Graham Shirville G3VZV Tel: +44 (0)7713 665725 
>
> Electronics Weekly Magazine 
> http://www.electronicsweekly.com/ 
>
> Radio Communications Foundation 
> http://www.commsfoundation.org/ 
>
> GB4FUN 
> http://www.gb4fun.org.uk/ 
>
> AMSAT-UK 
> http://www.uk.amsat.org/ 
>
> FUNcube a UK Linear Transponder Satellite 
> http://www.southgatearc.org/news/july2009/funcube.htm 
>
> AMSAT-UK Space Colloquium videos 
> http://www.southgatearc.org/news/august2009/amsat_colloquium_videos.htm 
>
> AMSAT-UK publish a colour A4 newsletter, OSCAR News, full of satellite 
> information. 
> You can join online at https://secure.amsat.org.uk/subs_form/ 
> 
> 73 Trevor M5AKA
>
>
>
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[amsat-bb] AO-51 V/S

[David - KG4ZLB]

Great pass at 22:43, thanks to John (K8YSE) and Al (W8KHP) for the 
contacts - its been a while since I worked mode V/S.

Thanks to the team for scheduling these modes.

73

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[amsat-bb] Re: New ICOM VHF / UHF / SHF Radio

[David - KG4ZLB]

*/(Also posted on the 9100 BB)/*

I thinks its a "pretty" radio (for what that's worth!), the screen could 
have been in colour and a fish finder might have been nice.

It looks like the display on a 746 so in that regard its a bit of a 
throwback.

It's a TS2000 clone(ish)

Would I buy one? Maybe, but only after it had been checked out to ensure 
no "TS" like birdies.

Of course its a shack in a box and more so now that they have stuffed 
1.2 into it - I am a bit concerned that these types of radios are jack 
of all trades and masters of none which is where I believe the TS falls 
down.

I gather that the 1.2 module is different to the 1.2 unit that goes in 
the 910 so no saving there; I can't take the one from my 910 - I think 
that's just plain wrong of Icom to expect us to buy yet another unit 
when I am sure the existing one could have been made to fit. That is 
just wrong, wrong, wrong!

This is going to be expensive and I want some other suckers with more 
money than sense, err...sorry, I meant enthusiasts ( :-D ) to find out 
where the glitches are, get Icom to fix them and bring out the 
IC-9100MKII before I would contemplate buying one!

Just my tuppence!

David
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[amsat-bb] AO-51 mode change

[David - KG4ZLB]

To any Command Team members:

I have a great pass at just after 7.00pm edt this evening, that's only 
23:00 utc - so will AO-51 remain in its current config until 00:00utc 
and be commanded by someone else on the planet?

I just don't want to set everything up for Mode S to find that its 
stopped an hour earlier than scheduled!

Thanks

David

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[amsat-bb] Re: Don't Fly SuitSat2 to ISS

[David - KG4ZLB]

On top of that, it is inherently difficult, nay almost impossible, to 
become an AMSAT Volunteer - trust me, I have been trying for over a year 
now and have just about given up!

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Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:
> I think one of the problems volunteers face, which seems to have not been 
> addresses, is one of geography.
>
> The US is a big country. The existing volunteers are widespread.
> I work better as a member of a team rather than as an induvidual. I need a 
> "normal" work environment. I'm inherently 
> lazy and don't have the motovation to reliably work from home.
> I don't know of any active Amsat volunteers within, say, 30 miles of me, that 
> I can team up with.
> Find me a project within 30 miles of Xenia, Ohio, in which I have some 
> experience, and i will happily join the team.
>
>
> Bob Bruninga wrote:
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[amsat-bb] Re: Don't Fly SuitSat2 to ISS

[David - KG4ZLB]

Hi Dave,

Once upon a time in a galaxy far, far away, I completed the website 
Volunteer form only to hit submit and find the link was broken, I tried 
again and got the same result so I reported the broken link and then 
passed all my Volunteer details on to an AMSAT Board member. That really 
must have been about a year ago. I could probably offer (315) Telemetry 
Retrieval, (520) Help with the AMSAT Journal, and also the following 
headings as per the Volunteer web page:-

550
552
557
580
590
595
600
610
620
630

My Operating interests are:

400
410
440 - (I was part of a team that produced a successful ARISS school contact)
480
499

I come from an Investment Banking background so on that basis I could 
offer accounting/bookkeeping services. I can also offer (limited) web 
design or web maintenance skills etc.

When I got back from Dayton this year I spoke with Patrick (WD9EWK) 
about becoming an Area Coordinator (552) and he provided me with the 
name of the Board Member to whom I should address my request. That 
e-mail went out on June 19th to two senior members plus Patrick - no 
response.

Ho hum!

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n4csi...@bellsouth.net wrote:
> Good morning David,
>I've heard this same issue brought up in the past by other members. 
> Personally speaking, I've been able to plug into several areas in 
> which to volunteer. What exactly did you indicate that you would like 
> to volunteer to do?
>
> Dave, AA4KN
>
> - Original Message - From: "David - KG4ZLB" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 10:23 AM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Don't Fly SuitSat2 to ISS
>
>
>
>

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[amsat-bb] Re: WD9EWK cards arrived today!!!!!!

[David - KG4ZLB]

I guess the Post Office doesn't work quite as quickly down here 
(difference of two weeks!) but thanks Patrick!

And Al, your card for the V/S contact arrived yesterday and mine to you 
will be in the mail today!

73

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Allen Vinegar wrote:
> Thanks Patrick, mine arrived today! Quite impressed with your personal 
> postage stamp!!!
>
> 73,
> Al W8KHP
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[amsat-bb] Re: 1.2 ghz antenna?

[David - KG4ZLB]

Norman,

A shameless plug for Bob, W7LRD's helical antennas (1.2 and 2.4ghz) - 
great value, work superbly and brilliant after sales help!

Quite a few on this list are owners of these antennas.

Hope that helps.

David
KG4ZLB

Norman W Osborne wrote:
> Hello to all,
> After reading some of the postings on the bbs discussing AO-51 1.2 ghz mode,
> I am wondering what
> antennas are being used, commercial and homebrew.
>
> 73,
> Norman
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[amsat-bb] Re: 1.2 ghz antenna?

[David - KG4ZLB]

Nigel,

I don't think Bob has a website up at the moment but no doubt he will 
read this thread and respond to any interested people.

As an aside, he also donates 20% (I think its 20%) of every sale to AMSAT.

I can send you pictures of mine if that helps (?)

73

David
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Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:
> URL?
>
> David - KG4ZLB wrote:
>

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[amsat-bb] Re: G5500

[David - KG4ZLB]

Randy,

No;
Yes;
Yes!

:-D

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Randy wrote:
> Does the G5500 come with any rotor cable?
> Or just the connectors and we have to buy cable and install the connectors?
>
> Randy - N2CUA
>
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[amsat-bb] Re: Alinco DJ-G7T Pro/Con reviews

[David - KG4ZLB]

Or of course the venerable Icom W32A, still a great radio!

David
KG4ZLB

Andrew Glasbrenner wrote:
> I have one of the first 100 released at Dayton, and have not done any 
> firmware upgrades yet. It is useless as a full duplex satellite radio, as 
> the amount of desense is greater than the satellite downlink most of the 
> time. Neat radio otherwise, and I've used the 1.2 GHz with my hamfest buddy 
> quite often.
>
> If you can find a FT-530 Yaesu used, they are the best full duplex satellite 
> HT I've ever used. A used Kenwood D7 would be almost as good, plus you could 
> use it for APRS while not on the satellites, or for use with the ISS. You 
> can always go the two radio route as well. A simple 2m HT and a small 435 
> scanner or HT can be had for very little!
>
> Good Luck,
> Drew KO4MA
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: 
> To: "amsat-bb" 
> Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 7:39 PM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Alinco DJ-G7T Pro/Con reviews
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[amsat-bb] Volunteering and things!

[David - KG4ZLB]

All,

After careful consideration concerning this thread it seems we have 
three distinct areas that need to be, or are being, addressed.

Perhaps we could get some definitive answers as to where we/AMSAT stand 
on them as in some cases nothing further has been heard.

1) *The website* - my understanding is that this will become a Wiki 
style affair and that someone has already volunteered to start it

Is this correct? Is this happening? Who is doing this?

2) *The Satellite Status page* - I was asked to supply information to 
correct any inaccuracy's just before the idea was hatched to use the 
dcarr Live Oscar Satellite Status site as a feeder. Again I understand 
that this has been approved by David Carr, KD5QGR and is awaiting 
implementation.

Is this correct? Is this happening? Who is doing this?

3) *The volunteer page* - clearly the thing is broken and clearly people 
do not know this until after they have filled in the form.
So would it not be an idea to state clearly on the home page of the 
website that the site is undergoing some sort of revamp? In that way 
viewers know the we know that the issues are being addressed.

Secondly, on the Satellite Status page, again some sort of wording 
should be appended referring to the ongoing upgrade of the site, also 
mentioning the future amalgamation of information from David Carr's site 
and provide a direct link to it? Maybe David would be kind enough to 
reciprocate with a direct link back to the AMSAT home page so that 
viewers can return easily.

Lastly the Volunteer page, again some words on it saying that it is not 
functioning, do not waste half an hour filling it in only to hit send 
and find its buggered. If interested e-mail Gould or someone else so 
designated.

I fear that without some positive short term damage limitation on the 
website, these threads are just going to keep popping up. The Volunteer 
page issue is now so old its got grey hairs!

Even if no body steps forward to volunteer to change anything at all, if 
the correct wording is applied to the website then people know where to 
go for the answers and information that they need and we/AMSAT don't 
look incompetent.

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Glen Zook wrote:
> I thought long and hard before replying to you.  Unfortunately, it is the 
> fault of the organization when the systems do not work.  On purpose?  Of 
> course not.  But, it still is within the control of the organization and 
> therefore it definitely is the fault of the organization.
>
> There is a "Catch 22".  There is a need for volunteers but the prime method 
> of volunteering is not available.  Why?  Because there are not enough 
> volunteers to "fix" the method of volunteering.
>
> Yes, there are other ways of eventually having someone's volunteering to help 
> being recognized.  However, most individuals are not going to go through a 
> trial and error means of finding the "correct" means of offering their 
> services.  Frankly, this is just not going to happen.
>
> I have submitted an article for publication in The AMSAT Journal on this very 
> problem.  Hopefully it will be published in the next edition and, again, 
> hopefully it will help alleviate, at least in some small way, the problems 
> that presently exist.
>
> Glen, K9STH
> AMSAT 239 / LM 463
>
> Website:  http://k9sth.com
>
>
> --- On Wed, 9/9/09, myoung  wrote:
>
> So if someone wants to volunteer and they use the volunteer function of the 
> AMSAT website and it doesn't work and someone doesn't get in touch with 
> you...   IT IS AMSAT's FAULT? Is that it?
>  
> So if you order something from the AMSAT website or any website and the item 
> never arrives...  YOU JUST FORGET IT?
>  
> This is a mindset of failure!   A HORRENDOUS COP OUT FOLKS!!!
>  
> The AMSAT  office has a phone.  The number is on the website, please use it!
>  
> Do you really want to volunteer?  PROVE IT!  AND FOLLOW THRU!  PROMISES DON'T 
> GET THINGS DONE!
>
>
>   
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[amsat-bb] Re: [Bod] Fwd: Volunteering and things!

[David - KG4ZLB]

Excellent, now we all know where we are with all this and further gripes 
in the bb can cease!

(I still think there should be some notes made on the website so that 
visitors and non-bb participants know what's going on!)

David
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Gould Smith wrote:
> 1) Absolutely not
> Anyone can setup a Wiki and it can be used by whatever group wants 
> to.  AMSAT is not switching to a Wiki
>  
> 2) There are a number of options on the table.  AMSAT is working on 
> deciding who will be responsible.
> Rick is looking into the amount of work necessary and his available 
> time to implement including David Carr's site into the page. We expect 
> to have a link to David's site in the interim.
>  
> 3) The volunteer page - there is a mitigation plan in place, to change 
> the email address of where the information goes. The change has been 
> requested.
>  
> 73,
> Gould
>  
>  
> - Original Message -

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[amsat-bb] Re: ao51

[David - KG4ZLB]

Nothing heard in EL96 (SW Florida either), I tried all mode combinations 
just to make sure!

David
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Perry Yantis wrote:
> just listened for AO51 but heard nothing.
>
> 2301 gmt 9/10/09
>
> Perry WB8OTH
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[amsat-bb] Re: Shuttle landing

[David - KG4ZLB]

*The landing of the shuttle Discovery at the Kennedy Space Center has 
been delayed for at least a day due to bad weather in Florida.*

Thunderstorms and strong winds meant that the US space agency NASA  
skipped both Thursday landing possibilities.

The shuttle, which is returning from a mission to the International 
Space Station (ISS), will have to orbit the earth for a 14th day.

The new landing slot is at 1754 (2154 GMT) on Friday.

However the weather forecast for Friday is worse, and Saturday is only a 
little better.

NASA says if necessary it will consider the possibility of using a 
runway at Edwards Air Force Base in California.



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[amsat-bb] 2.4 antenna

[David - KG4ZLB]

I will re-post this from August 31st concerning 1.2 and 2.4 ghz antennas!

David
KG4ZLB



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Subject:Re: [amsat-bb] 1.2 ghz antenna?
Date:   Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:28:13 -0400
From:   David - KG4ZLB 
Reply-To:   kg4...@gmail.com
Organization:   www.kg4zlb.com
To: AMSAT-BB@amsat.org
References: <4fa78c6b0908311419h9c094dahe2f3018fad240...@mail.gmail.com>



Norman,

A shameless plug for Bob, W7LRD's helical antennas (1.2 and 2.4ghz) - 
great value, work superbly and brilliant after sales help!

Quite a few on this list are owners of these antennas.

Hope that helps.

David
KG4ZLB

Norman W Osborne wrote:
> Hello to all,
> After reading some of the postings on the bbs discussing AO-51 1.2 ghz mode,
> I am wondering what
> antennas are being used, commercial and homebrew.
>
> 73,
> Norman
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[amsat-bb] Re: 2.4 antenna

[David - KG4ZLB]

Frank,

w7...@comcast.net

Hope that helps!

David

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Franklyn A. Ballentine, jr wrote:
> Thanks!!
> How do I get in touch with Bob?
>
> Thanks again,
> Frank
> KB1QZH
>
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 12:02 PM, David - KG4ZLB  
> wrote:
>   
>
>   

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[amsat-bb] Re: ic-910 switching help

[David - KG4ZLB]

Andy,

You need to use SatPC32ISS, not the regular SatPC32

David
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andy thomas wrote:
> I know this is an old chestnut, but when in satpc32 and with both frequencies 
> set on the iss simplex 145.825, satpc32 shows the up/downlink doppler but 
> switches the 70cm tx subband. How do I configure so that the up and down 
> links can be in the same band?
>
> immediate problem is packet on the iss (in between pollux!)
>
> I found out it couldn't be done in HRD so i am evaluating satpc32.
>
> 73 de andy g0sfj 
>
>
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[amsat-bb] Euro news

[David - KG4ZLB]

  Dutch authorities propose rebanding D-STAR into 70cm satellite band

Information received from the Netherlands this week indicated a growing 
threat to frequencies allocated and used by the Amateur Satellite Service.

Worldwide, including the Netherlands, amateur use of frequencies in many 
portions of the 70cm band are allocated as secondary users.

The threat arises from proposals to move the output frequency band of 
terrestrial D-STAR repeaters from the 439-440 MHz range down to 437-438 
MHz.

Dutch regulators have halted amateur D-STAR repeater licensing in that 
country because they plan to reallocate 439.500 MHz and upward to the 
Differential GPS (DGPS) service.

Despite protest from Dutch amateur radio operators, amateur clubs in the 
surrounding countries, and regulators in nearby countries, it seems as 
if the Dutch authorities are still planning on this frequency 
re-allocation to favor DGPS operation in violation of ITU allocations.

If completed this reallocation of the terrestrial D-STAR repeater 
outputs would place them right in the downlink band of the Amateur 
Satellite Service. This would have immediate operational impact on 
European amateur satellite stations. Longer term it may open the door 
for future infringement on satellite operations in other countries.




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[amsat-bb] Re: Sunbandilasat launch

[David - KG4ZLB]

Yes, and bearing in mind that the launch is scheduled to be only a few 
minutes away, there is an awful lot of activity at the base of the 
rocket (i.e where the really hot bit comes from!)

David

g0...@aol.com wrote:
> Something seems to be happening today at:
>  
> _http://www.tv-tsenki.com/live.php_ (http://www.tv-tsenki.com/live.php) 
>  
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[amsat-bb] Re: Sunbandilasat launch

[David - KG4ZLB]

Mind you there seems to be conflicting reports about launch time; SARC 
report 14:55 utc (which has passed) and AMSAT - SA report 16:55 - so you 
pays yer money and yer takes yer choice!

By the looks of things they are still trying to find the blue touch 
paper and a big enough match so my guess is for 16:55 (12:55 edt)

David

David - KG4ZLB wrote:
> Yes, and bearing in mind that the launch is scheduled to be only a few 
> minutes away, there is an awful lot of activity at the base of the 
> rocket (i.e where the really hot bit comes from!)
>
> David
>
> g0...@aol.com wrote:
>

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[amsat-bb] Re: Sunbandilasat launch

[David - KG4ZLB]

And a sweet little Thomas the Tank Engine whistling in the background!

:-D



Andrew Glasbrenner wrote:
> I love the fact you can hear the crickets, the cameraman walking 
> around in the gravel, and all the clanking and groaning of machinery 
> in that video feed!
>
> 73, Drew KO4MA
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[amsat-bb] Re: Sunbandilasat launch

[David - KG4ZLB]

:-D

It always amazes me that the Russians carry a rocket on the back of a 
train to the launch site, then launch it on time and then land the crew 
on hard ground in what seems to be a very amateur and haphazard fashion 
yet it seems to work very well.

Here, if a bird farts in the wrong direction within 30 miles of Kennedy 
Space Center, the whole launch is scrubbed!

Maybe we should just get the Russians to do it for us!

David

Bill Ress wrote:
> Now be kind! AMSAT-NA may want to send up another satellite on that 
> steam engine in the near future.
>
> Regards...Bill - N6GHz
>
> David - KG4ZLB wrote:
>
>

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[amsat-bb] For sale

[David - KG4ZLB]

Offered here first before going to flea-bay!

*Icom W32A* c/w stock antenna, battery and wall charger

Speaker mic

Leather case

AA battery box


*Arrow 146/437-10* c/w roll-up tote bag

Adaptor to fit the Arrow to the W32A


Shipped anywhere in the lower 48 for $385.

Paypal OK.

Reason for sale? I am just not using any of this stuff and its just too 
damn hot to go outside anyway! :-D

73

David

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[amsat-bb] Icom W32A for sale

[David - KG4ZLB]

Icom W32A dual band, full duplex h/t, comes complete with stock antenna, 
battery and wall charger. Battery holds full charge, no sign of wear.

Some wear on the top row of buttons but otherwise in perfect condition, 
screen unscratched (its been kept in the case) full 5w output in "Hi" 
position.

Extras:

Icom speaker mic
Icom Leatherette case
Icom AA battery box
Icom CP12L cigarette lighter charger

No original manual but I can print a copy and include it.

$275 including shipping to anywhere in the lower 48.
 

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[amsat-bb] Re: http://oscar.dcarr.org/ Site

[David - KG4ZLB]

And in English this means.?


> Need PHP session logins
>
>
> --
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> Airways Technical Officer Grade 4
> Surveillance - RADAR ADS-B
> Amateur Radio Callsign VK4TEC
> email: vk4...@tech-software.net
> web: www.tech-software.net
> - Original Message - 
> From: "David Carr" 
> To: "Danny Casier" 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 5:46 AM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: http://oscar.dcarr.org/ Site
>
>
>   
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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[amsat-bb] Re: All Satellites

[David - KG4ZLB]

I hate to say it but you may be right - the sky is now full of 
"beep-beep" sats!

David KG4ZLB



Rocky Jones wrote:
> The hamsat bands are slowly being converted into "cheap" telemetry bands...
>
> Robert WB5MZO
>
>   
> 
> _
> Bing™  brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place.   Try it 
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[amsat-bb] Launch coverage!

[David - KG4ZLB]

I was intrigued yesterday to see in capsule footage of the launch of the 
Soyuz (with the "Space Clown") from Russia!

Does anyone know if NASA plans to broadcast footage from inside the 
Shuttle, maybe a split screen showing the traditional launch and the 
other side showing the crew during lift off?

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[amsat-bb] Re: Launch coverage!

[David - KG4ZLB]

Well I suppose that's a start but it would be good to see it "live"; I 
guess NASA is not as confident as the Russians that a launch will be 
successful so they delay any inside shots! 

David
KG4ZLB

Joe Fitzgerald wrote:
>
>
> I have seen split screens on NASA TV, usually a day or two after 
> launch.  A quick you-tube search revealed this.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WdQHQY0xJs
> -Joe
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[amsat-bb] Can we get them to fix AO-40 first then?

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  Rogue satellites to be cleared from Earth's orbit by German robots

German-built robots are to be sent into Earth's orbit to repair 'dead 
satellites' or push them into outer space, according to a report in 
Sunday's Guardian newspaper.

Robots that rescue failing satellites and push 'dead' ones into outer 
space should be ready in four years, it has emerged. Experts described 
the development by German scientists as a crucial step in preventing a 
disaster in the Earth's crowded orbit.

Last year it was reported that critical levels of debris circling the 
Earth were threatening astronauts' lives and the future of the 
multibillion-pound satellite communications industry. But senior figures 
at the German Aerospace Centre (DLR) told the /Observer/ they have been 
given the go-ahead to tackle a crisis that will come to a head in the 
next five to 10 years as more orbiting objects run out of fuel.

Their robots will dock with failing satellites to carry out repairs or 
push them into "graveyard orbits", freeing vital space in geostationary 
orbit. This is the narrow band 22,000 miles above the Earth in which 
orbiting objects appear fixed at the same point. More than 200 dead 
satellites litter this orbit. Within 10 years that number could increase 
fivefold, the International Association for the Advancement of Space 
Safety has warned.

You can read the full article / 'Rogue satellites to be cleared from 
Earth's orbit by German robots'/ at:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/oct/11/space-robots-clear-rogue-satellites

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[amsat-bb] Re: FM satellite operations again again over Europe

[David - KG4ZLB]

Perhaps these could be translated into Spanish!

David
KG4ZLB



Eric Knaps, ON4HF wrote:
> Hello all,
> I found these nice rules from VK3JED:
>
>  1. First and foremost is to listen before and while (if possible)
>  transmitting, to ensure your transmissions don't drown out a weaker
>  station who may be on the edge of a pass or running QRP. Satellites
>  should be an alligator free zone. It is strongly recommended that you
>  set your station up so you can monitor the downlink while
>  transmitting, so you can hear how well you are accessing the satellite
>  and whether you accidentally clobbered someone else. Similarly, if you
>  can't hear the transponder, don't transmit. Do something else more
>  productive, such as realign your receiving antenna to improve
>  reception.
>   2. Be brief. Because the traffic levels can be quite high, contest style
>  (callsign/signal report/next station) operation is the most
>  appropriate for most situations. Many stations also exchange QTH and
>  first names, which is OK if time permits. If transponder activity is
>  low, you can have a brief chat, but the opportunities for this are
>  becoming rare now.
>   3. Take turns. If you've just worked a handful of stations, be polite and
>  hand the transponder over to someone else so they can work a few.
>  There may be an opportunity to call back in later during the pass and
>  work some different stations as the satellite passes over different
>  areas, and others will appreciate your courtesy.
>   4. When calling, a simple announcement (e.g. "This is VK3JED listening
>  SUNSAT" or even "VK3JED listening") will suffice, like it does on a
>  terrestrial repeater. Anyone within transponder range will hear your
>  call. A short CQ call ("CQ SUNSAT, this is VK3JED") is OK too. Long CQ
>  calls waste transponder time and frustrate everyone listening. Save
>  the long CQs for HF, where they're appropriate. Only call CQ when
>  there's a distinct lack of activity, such as at the very start of a
>  pass and sometimes late in the pass after everyone else has finished.
>  A well placed CQ call late in a pass might alert someone ahead of the
>  satellite that a pass has just commenced over their QTH.
>   5. Wait your turn. If a QSO is in progress, wait until it finishes before
>  putting in your call. Butting in too soon is rude and wastes precious
>  transponder time as the stations involved in the QSO have to repeat
>  themselves due to your QRM.
>   6. Don't tune up! Believe it or not, there are stations who test their
>  satellite access by dropping a carrier over the top of everyone and
>  perhaps announcing "Hello hello". Simply putting out a call at the
>  appropriate time will provide all the signal checks you need (and get
>  you a worthwhile contact! :) ), without annoying everyone else on the
>  transponder. If you're really that doubtful about your equipment,
>  perhaps connect your dummy load, test in the shack and try again
>  another day, rather than disrupting everyone else. If you just want to
>  hear your voice, well a tape recorder or a pair of walkie talkies will
>  do just as well...
>   7. Reward good operation. If you're answering a call, why not reward the
>  good operators and put the alligators last on your list of priorities.
>  If all satellite users favour good operators, perhaps everyone will
>  learn that good ops have the highest QSO rates and earn the most
>  satellite awards. :-) Peer pressure is a powerful motivating force, as
>  any teenager will know (but probably not admit to! :-) ).
>   8. Use the minimum power necessary. While power levels are not critical
>  on FM satellites (unlike linear transponders where an excessively
>  strong signal can affect other QSOs on the transponder), using the
>  minimum power necessary allows you to easier tell if you're 'doubling'
>  with someone else. For the South African SUNSAT satellite, you
>  shouldn't need more than 5 watts into a basic (1/2 wave handheld or
>  turnstile) antenna, perhaps a bit more if the antenna is setup for
>  terrestrial operation, to overcome radiation pattern limitations. As
>  an example of good operation, recently one station who had multiple
>  beams wound his power back to 20 mW. The signal into the bird was full
>  quieting, but it was still possible to tell if someone else was
>  underneath his signal. If he had run 100W, he couldn't have known if
>  he'd stepped on anyone else, 

[amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 L/U

[David - KG4ZLB]

So does that mean we get L/U from this evening? I hope so as the last 
few passes have been bad for me so a chance for Mode L would be 
gratefully received!

David
KG4ZLB

Andrew Glasbrenner wrote:
> I had to leave the L/U repeater off and the BBS on after getting WOD 
> files this morning. I'll get it switched back first pass this evening.
>
> 73, Drew KO4MA
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[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Symposium News Posted to the Web

[David - KG4ZLB]

Fred,

I am going to be in Cape Cod this coming weekend; are you saying don't 
bother to bring a 70cm radio?

73

David
KG4ZLB

Sanford, Fred wrote:
> I hope that AMSAT NA does not use an 70cm uplink, because that band is not 
> available for transmitting in all areas of the US.  I live near Cape Cod, MA 
> and 70cm is not available for transmitting because of PAVE PAWS.
>
> Fred - KA1CQD
>
> -Original Message-
> From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On 
> Behalf Of Rocky Jones
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:58 AM
> To: n...@bellsouth.net; luclebla...@videotron.ca; Amsat BB
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> http://www.qsl.net/pe1rah/HAMSAT.htm
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> I am just trying to figure out why AMSAT NA is not taking advantage of work 
> already done.
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[amsat-bb] Re: L/U repeater back on

[David - KG4ZLB]

Sounding good, I just had a 30 degree pass up the middle of the Gulf of 
Mexico and spoke with John (K8YSE) and Jeff (K7WIN) - great to have it 
back in this mode for a while!

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Andrew Glasbrenner wrote:
> L/U repeater is back on now. Sorry about switching back and forth twice, 
> I had to go back and fix something. 435.150 is at 450mw, and 435.300 is 
> at 630mw. Friday morning we'll probably switch back to digital for a 
> pass, then to JOTA configuration that evening.
>
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[amsat-bb] Re: On the possibility of imaging AO-40 with earth bound telescopes...

[David - KG4ZLB]

Can't we just ask one of the guys on the ISS to lean out of the window, 
take a quick pic with his Canon Snappy as it comes round and then e-mail 
it to us ? :-D

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Tim - N3TL wrote:
> Please see Page 19 of the May-June 2008 issue of The AMSAT Journal. 
>
> Patrick Seitzer, WA4DSR, provided a photo of AO-40 taken by the University of 
> Michigan's Curtis-Schmidt Telescope at Cerro Tololo Inter-American 
> Observatory in Chile. Following is information from a University of Michigan 
> Web page about the telescope:
>
> "The Curtis-Schmidt telescope is a 0.61 meter aperture f/3.5 Schmidt 
> telescope located at the Cerro Tololo Inter-American Observatory, about 500 
> km north of Santiago, Chile. This telescope was originally installed at the 
> University of Michigan's Portage Lake Observatory in 1950, and moved to the 
> much clearer skies of north central Chile in 1966. 
> It is named for Heber D. Curtis, Director of the University of Michigan 
> Observatories from 1930 until 1942. 
> The telescope is dedicated to optical studies of artificial space debris for 
> NASA's Orbital Debris Program Office at the Johnson Space Center. Projects 
> include optical surveys for debris and follow-up observations to determine 
> orbits and photometric properties of recently discovered debris."
>  
> If you find the Journal photo, you'll see a field with dozens of blurred 
> stars and one sharp litttle white dot, which is AO-40.  I believe it's safe 
> to say that obtaining an image with the detail necessary to try assess damage 
> is impossible.
>  
> 73 to all,
>
> Tim - N3TL
>
>
>
>
> 
> From: Mark VandeWettering 
> To: amsat-bb@amsat.org
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:57:40 AM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] On the possibility of imaging AO-40 with earth bound 
> telescopes...
>
>   
>
> It's not going to work.  AO-40 just isn't big enough.  For fun,
> let's worth through
> some of the details.
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
> Table 1. Nominal Orbit Parameters for AO-40
> Orbit Parameter Value
> Semimajor Axis (km) 36,245
> Perigee Height (km) 1,042
> Apogee Height (km) 58,691
> Eccentricity 0.797
> Inclination (deg) 6.04
> Period (hours) 19.1
>
> Let's look at a couple of potential telescopes.  The short tube
> refractor that you linked to has an 80 mm (roughly 3 inch) aperature.
> According to the Rayleigh criterion, that scope should be able to
> resolve angles as small as about 1.5 arc seconds.At perigee, the
> resolving power is 1042000 * tan(1.5 arc seconds), or about 7.5 meters
> (or 25 feet).To increase the resolution by a factor of 2, you need
> to to double the  aperature.  To get resolutions down to 1/2 a foot,
> you need an aperature 50x larger, or 150 inches.
>
> This doesn't take into account any effects of atmosphere either.
> it's actually fairly rare to get sub arcsecond resolution from any
> earthbound telescope without using adaptive optics..  This limits the
> practicality of high resolution imaging.
>
> Impressive photos of the space shuttle, ISS and HST have been taken
> using amateur equipment, but these objects are both closer and an
> order of magnitude larger than AO-40.  While we might be able to
> measure spin rate and the like by measuring the brightness curve,
> actual imaging of the satellite isn't likely.
>
> 73 Mark K6HX
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[amsat-bb] Re: What Are Others Using

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Seconded!

Buy the licence, donate to AMSAT - easy!

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Elan Portnoy wrote:
> SatPC32 works great on the linear birds. Takes a little tuning to get on the 
> right freq, but works nicely after setup.
>
>
>
> --- On Thu, 10/15/09, Joel Black  wrote:
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[amsat-bb] Re: LuSat Silent

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Your right John except for the the last "hi".

It ID's as // /"LUSAT HI HI"/

I will have a listen for it as it always presents a strong signal.


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John Marranca, Jr wrote:
> I heard LuSAT the other night...I believe.  It may have drifted off
> frequency significantly.  I thought that it was a problem with HRD not
> tracking...but when I hit F2 for Manual Tune, I QSYd UP...and found
> its strong CW being sent.  Next pass, try hunting around for it.
>
> Maybe I'm wrong, but I can swear I heard it ID as LUSAT hihihi.
>
> I know I'll be listening later.
>
> John KB2HSH
>
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[amsat-bb] Re: Ares

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Not yet it hasn't!

Weather problems.



rwmcgw...@gmail.com wrote:
> Launch at 9:49 am edt
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[amsat-bb] Re: Ares

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Here! <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ares_I-X>




Andrew Rich wrote:
> What is ARES and what is on it ?
>
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[amsat-bb] Re: w32a won't transmit

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Turn the full duplex to semi!

Try that first.

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Gary Lockhart wrote:
> W32A Owners,
> I have a new to me radio that  I can receive on  and I  beleive  is set-up  
> correctly.  Full crossband  duplex  is turned on, autorepeater is turned off, 
>  squelch  is open  and  receive  band is  set  as main.  What  am  I doing  
> wrong?
> Thanks in advance, Gary  AB3ID 
>
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[amsat-bb] Arrow tote bag F S

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I have the 30" Arrow tubular style bag for sale; never used.

Arrow want $24 plus $12 shipping.

Yours for $20.00 shipped to the lower 48 only.

Paypal OK

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[amsat-bb] AO-51 SSTV

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Evening All,

I would be interested to know if anyone received my SSTV image 
transmitted on the most recent AO-51 pass (23:40 utc)

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[amsat-bb] Re: Icom 9100 release date?

[David - KG4ZLB]

Although there has been some talk about various models being 
discontinued, both the 910 and the756ProII are still very much evident 
on the Icom America website!

The 9100 is billed as a satellite transceiver (I mean it does has a 
little button on it marked "satellite", so it must beyes?) but in 
essence its a TS2000 clone (a shack in a box) and my fear is that 
because it has so many features packed in to it, its only going to be as 
good as its weakest component.

I will wait for those operators with vastly deeper pockets than mine to 
give it a thorough shakedown before I would consider trading in my 
trusty 910 - after all, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it!"

Sometimes I think we are a bit guilty of being "rig tarts" (quaint 
English saying meaning to be enamoured of the next shiny box that comes 
along to the detriment of our existing gear!)


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Howard Kowall wrote:
> Hello
> I believe it's the IC756 ProIII that has been discontinued not the 746pro
> and Is the 9100 actually a Satellite transceiver.
> I havent seen any proof of full duplex operation and doppler control
> thanks
> Howard
> VE4ISP
>
>
>
> - Original Message - 
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> Subject: [amsat-bb] Icom 9100 release date?
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[amsat-bb] Re: SO-67 28Nov2009 1340-1345z

[David - KG4ZLB]

Nothing heard over US on 15:14 utc (10:14 local) but that might be 
operator (me) error (?)

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OZ1MY wrote:
> Hi John,
> It was not on during the pass over Europe either.
> That should have been with start 1027 UTC.
> Hope for tomorrow.
>
> Have a nice weekend.
> 73 OZ1MY
> Ib
> - Original Message - 
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> Subject: [amsat-bb] SO-67 28Nov2009 1340-1345z
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[amsat-bb] Re: Tonight's launch from cape.

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Dave,

 From what I can see, the launch details are Dec 3 @ 8:23-8:43 pm - 
Delta 4 - WGS SV 3, so if that's edt, its a bit early yet* :-D

*73*
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David H. Jordan wrote:
> Does anyone know if the rocket launched from the cape tonight?
>
> Dave, AA4KN
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[amsat-bb] Re: Software to run a ts-200 and LVB

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SatPC32

Don't bother with HRD if all you want it for is satellite work. HRD's 
satellite function is a bolt on to the whole suite; SatPC32 is the tool 
for the job, has the most excellent back-up service from its creator and 
is of benefit to AMSAT.

Nuff said!

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racer5039 wrote:
> I am having a really hard time getting HRD to run with Windows 7 or Vista.
> Is there something else out there that will run the 200 and the LVB tracker?
> HRD was working real well til the last couple of updated but I'm ready to try 
> something else.
>
> Thanks
> Marv.
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[amsat-bb] Re: RS-38?

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Mmm...agreed; lighten up a bit Nigel, New Year and all that! :-D



Elan Portnoy wrote:
> Now that I know where to find them, perhaps I will sign up. 
>
> I never asked anyone to download them for me--perhaps you should read my post 
> more carefully--or ask someone else to read it to you.
>
>
> --- On Fri, 1/1/10, Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF  wrote:
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[amsat-bb] Re: RS-38?

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I take your point but there might surely be better ways of phrasing it!  
I thought your reply was a little...how shall I put it... abrupt!

In actual fact, if you filtered out the sort of postings that you are 
referring to, there wouldn't be much traffic left on the AMSAT bb !

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Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:
> It's not a case of "lighten up".
> How often have you seen the Amsat or ARRL keps bulletin and noticed a severe 
> lack of the satellite you were looking for.
> Why not get them yourself and get the satellites you need, not those someone 
> else thought you should have.
>
> We should be teaching people to be reasonably self sufficient not teaching 
> them to expect someone else to do it.
>
> http://www.space-track.org/perl/login.pl
>
>
> On 02-Jan-10 00:40, David - KG4ZLB wrote:
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[amsat-bb] Re: probably simple

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Bob,

I concur with Alan regarding SatPC32.

I used AO-7 the other evening for the first time in a couple of months 
and my up and down links were spot on first time!

David
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Alan P. Biddle wrote:
> Bob,
>
> SATPC32?  
>
> As long as the spacecraft systems are good, and AO-7 will wander a bit, I
> can always find myself.  A quick tweak requiring a few seconds, and I am in
> business.
>
> Alan
> WA4SCA
>  
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Bob- W7LRD
> Sent: 06 January, 2010 14:44
> To: amsat-bb@amsat.org
> Subject: [amsat-bb] probably simple
>
>
>
> Happy New Year all 
>
> This is probably simple, however, I need a quick and simple way of
> determining my uplink frequency given a specific downlink frequency. 
> Usually I will just send a few dits to find myself.  When trying to work a
> sked footprint edge to edge I need to be at the right frequency at the right
> time, without hunting around for myself.  I am refering to AO-7 
>
> 73 Bob W7LRD 
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[amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship

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It's not altogether surprising that this topic is being discussed but 
really folks, lets look at the facts!

The whole issue revolves around just a few members/posters who 
continually try and push the boundaries on what is a large list with 
respected and influential members all over the World.

We all know who they are; the ones that immediately post a facetious 
reply to a newbie question, the ones that post one line,or worse still, 
one word answers that are ambiguous at best and downright rude at worst; 
the ones that take childish delight in trying to elicit the maximum 
controversy with seemingly innocuous postings. We know who they are and 
they know who they are and the laws of defamation restrict me in naming 
them!

There is a delete key on your keyboard; there are message filters built 
in to your e-mail client and if you really get offended then there is 
always the "un-subscribe" route.

But if anyone on the list ever gets to having to be warned by AMSAT 
about their conduct on the BB or worse still, be faced with 
suspension/expulsion from the list then shame on you!

For the most part we are all responsible adults involved in a fairly 
expensive hobby (note "hobby") that is both highly technical and to most 
people, quite complicated. If anyone feels that they can do a better job 
than anyone on the current Board then by all means file a motion of no 
confidence and see how many fully paid up members back you.

Put up or shut up.

That we have even had to come to an Acceptable Use Policy for this board 
should make certain members/posters question whether they should even be 
members.

Rant over

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[amsat-bb] FO-29

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So nice to hear FO-29 booming again on this last pass at 00:46, really 
strong and loud - congrats to the team on getting this one back in 
shape, very much appreciated!


And hi to VE4EMU who obliged me with a contact although I lost you 
completely after the exchange!


A couple of others on as well!

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[amsat-bb] FS - 23cm M2 antenna

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I have an M2 23CM22EZ antenna for sale, 16dbd gain, 28dB front to back.

It will take 600 watts (!), and survive 100mph winds, overall length is 
63 inches which is about 5 and bit feet in old money.


And that was where the problem was; 5 and a bit feet was just too long 
for my available space so I ended up buying one of Bob's (W7LRD) most 
excellent helicals.


So its never been in the air, just gathering dust in my garage.

Looking at HRO, it seems that maybe M2 have superseded this model with 
the 23CM22EZA which retails for a whopping $185!


Any interest on here before I fleaBay it at the weekend!

Let me know off board; I have photographs that I can send you!

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[amsat-bb] Re: FS - 23cm M2 antenna - sold!

[David - KG4ZLB]

_*SOLD!*_






On 2/3/2010 12:32, David - KG4ZLB wrote:

I have an M2 23CM22EZ antenna for sale, 16dbd gain, 28dB front to back.

It will take 600 watts (!), and survive 100mph winds, overall length 
is 63 inches which is about 5 and bit feet in old money.


And that was where the problem was; 5 and a bit feet was just too long 
for my available space so I ended up buying one of Bob's (W7LRD) most 
excellent helicals.


So its never been in the air, just gathering dust in my garage.

Looking at HRO, it seems that maybe M2 have superseded this model with 
the 23CM22EZA which retails for a whopping $185!


Any interest on here before I fleaBay it at the weekend!

Let me know off board; I have photographs that I can send you!

73




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[amsat-bb] Re: First time on HO68

[David - KG4ZLB]

I too used HO-68 for the first time last night and found it incredibly 
difficult to hold the repeater open for any decent length of time 
despite having a good high pass. I question the sense in trying to run 
digital and voice at the same time on the same frequency (although that 
question is for minds much cleverer than mine(!); maybe that's where my 
access problems were emanating from (?).


When I did get in though, the signal was very strong so congrats to the 
team on that!


Thanks to W4AS and WA4NVM for providing me with my first two contacts on 
this satellite - I hope the SSB mode is a bit easier to work!


73

David
KG4ZLB
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On 2/5/2010 10:43, John Geiger wrote:

I was on HO68 for the first time last night, and had a blast. Congrats to the 
satellite team for a very well operating satellite-the downlink signal was very 
strong here.  I look forward to getting on this one again.

What was all of the packet I was hearing on it?  Is that other amateurs using 
packet through it, or some other type of user with packet?

73s John AA5JG
EM04to




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[amsat-bb] Re: n3fjp logging + eqso + ADIF format - please help

[David - KG4ZLB]

For  uploads from N3FJP to eQSL:

AO-51; Band = 2 (if its in V/U); Mode = FM; Prop_Mode = SAT

Of course this changes as AO-51's operating mode changes.

L/U for instance would be Band = 23

73

David
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On 2/7/2010 20:19, Michae J. Wolthuis wrote:

I really like n3fjp logging that everyone here recommended.  I have not been
able to get eqso to upload though.  It keeps telling me bad mode.



Can anyone who is using this software and eqso tell me what are you entering
for your AO-51 contacts in Band and Mode?  I tried 2, 2M and SAT J in Band
and tried SAT, FM and FM (SAT) in Mode to no avail.  Maybe I need to enable
a field or something?  I have read the whole manual from the website and it
doesn't really talk about entering satellite contacts.



Thanks for any help, I really want to get my whole log uploaded to eqso.



Thanks,

Mike

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[amsat-bb] Re: shuttle launch coming up the coast?

[David - KG4ZLB]

I believe after launch it heads out eastwards towards Europe which is 
why one of the emergency landing sites is in Spain.


From here (EL96 - the other side of Florida) I get some great views at 
night as it launches but once it starts heading out I quickly lose it.


I may be wrong of course but someone else can provide the detail I am sure!

73

David
KG4ZLB



On 2/7/2010 20:30, Tyler Harpster wrote:

The rescheduled shuttle launch is for early Monday morning.

Is there any way of finding out what direction  they are heading during
launch?  It would be pretty cool to see it from the eastern seaboard if it
came up that way.

Thanks
KM3G,  Tyler
Shrewsbury, PA

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[amsat-bb] Re: How to correctly log multiple grids?

[David - KG4ZLB]

Two entries. Separate them by 1 min in the time field!

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On 3/1/2010 19:55, Michae J. Wolthuis wrote:

Can anyone tell me when Jim (ND9M) says he is in EM00/01 how do I best enter
that in N3FJP's Amateur Contact Log program?  Currently I have been putting
in the grid exactly as EM00/01 but I don't know if that works with eQSO or
LoTW or is even appropriate.  Should I be making two entries?



Also, If Jim says Portable I put it in as ND9M/P or if someone says handheld
I put callsign/H is that the appropriate logging method for eQSO and LoTW or
should I just put ND9M?



Thanks Jim for the grids again tonight!



73s

Mike

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[amsat-bb] Re: FS ICOM W2E

[David - KG4ZLB]

I never realised you were a "trucker" Dave!

:-D

David
KG4ZLB

On 3/7/2010 17:45, Dave Aitch wrote:

UK Only please.

Works OK but only with DC in the top connector.

DC lead, got a headset too. I used to use it /M with a
19" whip when out and about trucking. Worked great.

Don't do trucking anymore, so its surplus to me.

Lets haggle.

Cheers,  Dave. G1OCN.
AMSAT UK 5766.


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[amsat-bb] Re: fun with preamps

[David - KG4ZLB]

Bob,

I have been running both the Icom pre-amps with my 910 for some time now!

I do not need S/N ratio's or fancy tests to know that without them I 
would have missed many a contact;


True, they are not brilliant (Icom does not even publish figures for 
them)  but they work and unless I feel like chucking the thick end of a 
large amount of green at something else, they will continue to work.


And a large plus is that you can tx through them without fear of 
goobering them up and they operate through the coax so no messy power 
line runs with the coax!


Just my 2 cents worth of course!

David
KG4ZLB



On 3/15/2010 20:31, i8cvs wrote:

- Original Message -
From: "Bob- W7LRD"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 12:28 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] fun with preamps


   
Smeter=0, preamp on Smeter=7. Signals "appear" better after backing down the

volume with the preamp. I have 8-10 feet of LMR400uf from antenna to preamp,
50 feet of LMR400 to shack. I suppose I was expecting more "dramatic"
results, I realize the AG-25 isn't the greatest and best, but it works well
with the 910. Are these real world results for what I have. S7 noise level
seems a bit high.
   
Hi Bob, W7LRD


No preamp noise Smeter=0, preamp on Smeter=7 means very small. Step 1
without preamplifier tune your receiver in SSB or CW on a very weak carrier
like a beacon and rotate your antenna into a null until you can barely hear
a bit at about 1000 Hz over the noise. Step 2 now connect your preamplifier
and see by hears if the Signal to Noise ratio S/N improves or not. If you
can hear better the 1000 Hz bit your preamplier is useful othervise S meter
= 7 means only or mostly the amplified preamplifier noise.
Your test can be more accurate if instead to use your hears you connect an
analog AC voltmeter at the audio output of your receiver.More is  the swing
of the AC voltmeter and better is the preamplifier i.e. lover is it's Noise
Figure.

Have fun.

73" de

i8CVS Domenico



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[amsat-bb] Re: Arecibo

[David - KG4ZLB]

Nothing heard on SSB but as soon as they switched to CW the signal came 
in very loud!


David
KG4ZLB
EL96



On 4/17/2010 15:28, Edward Cole wrote:

At 10:31 AM 4/17/2010, Edward Cole wrote:
   
Briefly heard voice on 432.044.500 about 1920 when Moon was 24.5

deg.elevation; maybe the Moon traversed a sidelobe of my yagi?  I
checked with KL7XJ who is also trying to hear Arecibo to see if he
might have been transmitting - he was not.  No other 432 SSB stations
within 70-miles so that rules out QRM.


73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45
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