Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with godfather's name
Sebastiao Squiggles. Yep, looks like the guy had another sip of vinho with each line! (This is the reason I tell my math students not to squish their work...they will mess it up)! If I had to take a guess, Sebastiao Alexandre something something Lopes I can see Lianor Clara. I'm really don't think Sebastiao's 2nd name is Alexandre, but I can see the "xandre" or "xondre" which makes me think Alexandre, but I don't think it's right. More people need to take a look. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 7:26 PM wrote: > I need help with Sebastião's godfather. I can see that his first name was > also Sebastião but the rest is just a bunch of squiggles.This is my 2nd > great grandfather and I would like to have his godfather's complete name if > possible. > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829_item1/P57.html > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote help. Sao Pedro, Santa Maria
Margin note 1,starts on lower left, goes up to the upper right, then back down to the lower left and then up and over the upper right!!! Gads! It says that the referenced individual, Manuel Soares Coelho, had a Catholic marriage on the 24 July 1000 800 90 5 with Maria Umbelina de Jesus, native of the same, daughter of Manuel da Fonte and Jacinta Umbelina and then it references where to find the marriage and is signed by the person on 7 Oct 1997. Note 2 says the marriage was dissolved by the death of the conjugate, Maria Umbelina de Jesus, on the 30 and 1 of March 1000 900 and 5 of the same parish and then I *think* it says where to find it (this is getting squishy), and I see the date of 7 Oct 1997 (date they made the note). Then #3 says there was a Catholic marriage on 17 May 1000 900 and 6 with Bernardina Umbelina de Fontes, native of the same, daughter of Manuel Joaquim de Fontes and Jacinta Umbelina, and where the record can be found. None of this explains them making the note in 1997 though. Maybe there was property and this is when it got settled Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 5:37 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy < azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1870-1879/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1870-1879_item1/P86.html > > > > I can read and understand it all with the exception of what happened on > October 7, 1997? It’s on both the left and again on the right side of the > body of the document. Manoel, starts on bottom left and goes on to top > right. Side notes on the right hand page. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Sam (Mazatlán, MX) > > > > > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient_term=icon> > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient_term=link> > <#m_2545790598338204074_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marianna - Baptism?
Debbie, It's not that unusual. John Raposo knows a lot about the history and may be able to shed some light on it. Some sources say the Portuguese started the slave trade, some say the Dutch. Regardless, the Portuguese were involved in it. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 8:54 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca < jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote: > So unusual. Is this basically unheard of or is there some history on > slavery in Portugal. I understand the baptism being offered to a slave. > I just don’t understand if slave means slavery as we know it. Can anyone > explain? > Debbie > > > > On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 4:19 PM Richard Francis Pimentel < > richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> *Yes,** it does say slave of. This baptism is not of an infant but an >> adult.* >> >> >> >> *Rick* >> >> *Richard Francis Pimentel* >> >> *Epping, NH* >> >> >> >> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande, Bretanha, and >> Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores* >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com *On Behalf Of * >> leonor.bert...@gmail.com >> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 26, 2019 4:04 PM >> *To:* Azores Genealogy >> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marianna - Baptism? >> >> >> >> This is not my ancestor but I'm curious as to what it means. I see this >> as a baptism for Marianna (bottom of the page), instead of daughter of, I >> think I see "escrava de", "slave of" is that correct? And does this say >> that the priest had to get special permission to perform this baptism? Any >> idea if this would have been a baby or an adult? >> >> >> >> >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1815-1823/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1815-1823_item1/P99.html >> >> >> >> TIA >> >> Leonor >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rosais, Sao Jorge, Jose Teixeira de Quadros, 1789-1875
Yeah, but you know how they kinda clip off the endings when they speak. So that's why I was wondering if it was supposed to be a closer spelling to Latin. But then again, they probably would have needed to spell out the Latin, regardless of how they may have clipped it off in speech. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 2:49 PM Rosemarie Capodicci wrote: > Latin would have been longer, Josephus and can't remember what Joam is but > it's longer! > > Rosemarie > rcap...@gmail.com > Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, > Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily > > > On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 2:47 PM Cheri Mello wrote: > >> Maybe it was a closer spelling to Latin?? >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 2:45 PM Rosemarie Capodicci >> wrote: >> >>> Donna, you will find that Joao/Joam, Sao/Sam (for Sam Jorge) and just >>> about any name ending in "O" can be written with an "M" in the earlier time >>> periods. The Priests also had a bad habit, in myh opinion, of writing >>> Jorge and Jose in English--George & Jozeph/Joseph. Who knows why! >>> >>> Rosemarie >>> rcap...@gmail.com >>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, >>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 1:27 PM DonnaO wrote: >>> >>>> Thank you Bill, I just wanted confirmation that Joam and João are the >>>> same name. You've been very helpful! -Donna >>>> >>>> On Monday, March 25, 2019 at 12:13:48 AM UTC-7, bsei...@gmail.com >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I believe the baptism you found is the one you are looking for. I see >>>>> it as Jose, son of Joam Teixeira de Quadros and Maria do Rosario. He >>>>> would >>>>> have turned 90 3 months before he died and the priest said 89 years old >>>>> more or less. >>>>> >>>>> Joam and João are the same name (Portuguese equivalent to John). Joam >>>>> is just an older spelling. It is always João today, but could have been >>>>> Joam through the about the mid-19th century. >>>>> >>>>> Bill Seidler >>>>> >>>>> On Sunday, March 24, 2019 at 10:54:35 PM UTC-7, DonnaO wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, Please help with info in the Obit of Jose Teixeria de Quadros >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-O-1870-1879/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-O-1870-1879_item1/P44.html >>>>>> Top right, NO. 15. My question is: who is his father (??Joam, Joao, >>>>>> Joaquin??} >>>>>> >>>>>> This obit is for 3X great grandfather, Jose Teixeria de Quadros, aged >>>>>> 89, who died in 1875, widow of Maria de Sao Joao. Parents are ?? Teixeira >>>>>> de Quadros & Maria do Rosario. >>>>>> >>>>>> Need help reading the Obitos of Jose Teixeria de Quadros because >>>>>> marriage records are missing for his first marriage and no parents noted >>>>>> in >>>>>> his second marriage record, and the names Joam and Joao are so similiar. >>>>>> It >>>>>> may a handwriting question. >>>>>> Counting back from 1875, I have check Baptism records from 1784-1792 >>>>>> and found 1 that could be Jose Teixeria de Quadros’ parents, but the >>>>>> father’s name is Joam, instead I would expect the name to be Joao.( >>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1784-1800/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1784-1800_item1/P10.html >>>>>> ) >>>>>> >>>>>> In addition, Is there any other distinguishing information in the >>>>>> obit that might be important to note? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you in advance for your thoughts. -Donna >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiv
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rosais, Sao Jorge, Jose Teixeira de Quadros, 1789-1875
Maybe it was a closer spelling to Latin?? Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 2:45 PM Rosemarie Capodicci wrote: > Donna, you will find that Joao/Joam, Sao/Sam (for Sam Jorge) and just > about any name ending in "O" can be written with an "M" in the earlier time > periods. The Priests also had a bad habit, in myh opinion, of writing > Jorge and Jose in English--George & Jozeph/Joseph. Who knows why! > > Rosemarie > rcap...@gmail.com > Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, > Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily > > > On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 1:27 PM DonnaO wrote: > >> Thank you Bill, I just wanted confirmation that Joam and João are the >> same name. You've been very helpful! -Donna >> >> On Monday, March 25, 2019 at 12:13:48 AM UTC-7, bsei...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> I believe the baptism you found is the one you are looking for. I see >>> it as Jose, son of Joam Teixeira de Quadros and Maria do Rosario. He would >>> have turned 90 3 months before he died and the priest said 89 years old >>> more or less. >>> >>> Joam and João are the same name (Portuguese equivalent to John). Joam >>> is just an older spelling. It is always João today, but could have been >>> Joam through the about the mid-19th century. >>> >>> Bill Seidler >>> >>> On Sunday, March 24, 2019 at 10:54:35 PM UTC-7, DonnaO wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, Please help with info in the Obit of Jose Teixeria de Quadros >>>> >>>> >>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-O-1870-1879/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-O-1870-1879_item1/P44.html >>>> Top right, NO. 15. My question is: who is his father (??Joam, Joao, >>>> Joaquin??} >>>> >>>> This obit is for 3X great grandfather, Jose Teixeria de Quadros, aged >>>> 89, who died in 1875, widow of Maria de Sao Joao. Parents are ?? Teixeira >>>> de Quadros & Maria do Rosario. >>>> >>>> Need help reading the Obitos of Jose Teixeria de Quadros because >>>> marriage records are missing for his first marriage and no parents noted in >>>> his second marriage record, and the names Joam and Joao are so similiar. It >>>> may a handwriting question. >>>> Counting back from 1875, I have check Baptism records from 1784-1792 >>>> and found 1 that could be Jose Teixeria de Quadros’ parents, but the >>>> father’s name is Joam, instead I would expect the name to be Joao.( >>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1784-1800/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1784-1800_item1/P10.html >>>> ) >>>> >>>> In addition, Is there any other distinguishing information in the obit >>>> that might be important to note? >>>> >>>> Thank you in advance for your thoughts. -Donna >>>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Genealogy Conference deadline is 2 months away
(Cross posted to the Azores, Madeira, and Island Routes lists) The Portuguese Genealogy Conference and Research Trip will be held in Salt Lake City, Utah from June 25-28, 2019. The deadline to register and book your hotel room is May 24th, only 2 months away. Rosemarie and I still have room for conference attendees. The Plaza Hotel was getting low on rooms (assigned to our block), although the hotel had plenty (as of a month ago). So if you are seriously thinking of going, you may want to book sooner rather than later. The conference is $90 USD for 4 days of classes, computer lab time, and one-on-one assistance. Most conferences you only get classes and few might have some computer lab. Rosemarie and I want you to really put what you are learning to work! So that is why we have the evenings open to help you. The registration packet link is below. It's still version 1. There is a version 2 that I'm waiting to be posted (Kathy Cardoza, the webmaster, has a life too, so she'll get to it when she gets to it). The only difference is that Rosemarie and I had a discussion and we decided instead of lumping up the DNA on mainly one day that we would spread it out over the course of the conference. The hours are mostly the same: (Monday - Dessert Social/Welcome/Meet & Greet in the evening for those flying it that day) Tuesday 9 - 5 Wednesday 8 - 5 (sorry for the early start!) Thursday 9:30 - 5 (Group photo at 9 a.m.) Friday 9 - 3:30 or so After dinner (and after 3:30 on Friday) will be the one-on-ones and research assistance. Saturday, Rosemarie and I are both available. I think Rosemarie will be leaving about lunch time I think I leave a couple hours later. Here's the link to the registration packet. http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/2019slcazoresconfv12.pdf Looking forward to seeing you in Salt Lake City! Cheri Mello and Rosemarie Capodicci Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA Sale through March 31, 2019
(Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and Island Routes lists) I went to Family Tree DNA's Administrator conference in Houston, Texas, this past weekend. I will posting a few summaries throughout this week about what took place. Typically, this conference is held in November, and typically, they start the Holiday sale then or a couple of weeks after. The conference had to be moved to March and the holidays are definitely NOT around the corner, but they did a mini sale anyways. It is good for the following products only, though March 31, 2019 at 11:59 pm PDT. All prices in United States Dollars (USD) Family Finder: Regularly $79 with $30 off. Use code: GGC19FF Y-DNA 37: Regularly $149 with $50 off. Use code: GGC19Y37 Y-DNA 67: Regularly $248 with $70 off. Use code; GGC19Y67 Y-DNA 111: Regularly $339 with $70 off. Use code: GGCY111 Big-Y 700: Regularly $649 with $200 off. Use code: GGC19BIGY (Note: If you did BigY-500, the upgrade price is $179). MtDNA Full Sequence: Regularly $199 with $50 off. Use code: GGC19MTFULL If you are an existing customer, log into your account, look towards the upper right corner where your name is, and click on Add-ons and Upgrades to select a different type of DNA testing. If you are ordering for a relative who has never tested before, or yourself (if you have never tested before), order through the Group Project here: Azores: https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=AzoresIslands Madeira: https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=MadeiraPortugal Cape Verde: https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=CapeVerde Feel free to ask any questions you may have. Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Administrator (volunteer) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Could use a little advice
Rosie, Can you provide the name, dates (or ranges) and location for each event? I am at a conference so hopefully Kathy Cardoza or someone can provide the link to the "how to" on the Azores GenWeb. Cheri On Mar 24, 2019 3:12 PM, "Rosie Paiva" wrote: > Hello there, > I am researching my family as well as my husbands family and I have to say > my family has me a little stumped but my husbands is a complete mystery. > Here is a little information as to what I'm working with here: First my > husband thought his grandfather was born somewhere on Saint Michaels > however after reading his obituary we discovered he was Actually born in > New Bedford Mass and left to the Azores and started his family and then > returned around 1956 with a wife and 8 children, and they purchased a > family tenement in 1957 which the family still owns. We did find his great > grandparents marriage record and there immigration however we can not track > to much after the birth of his grandfather. I have searched up and down > ancestry and I am defiantly struggling. I have names but no death dates and > I am guessing birthyear based on marriage records. His 2nd great > grandparents apparently have some very common names because the records > compiled are miles long. If anyone has any insight on where I can catch a > trail I would really appreciate it Thank you. The Family Name I am tracking > is Pacheco which I know is common But I have as many name as I could get > for now. > Rosemarie Paiva > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age of Padrinho
I don't know of a minimum age, but I've seen a 13 year old. I don't remember ever seeing a 5 year old. If someone has one, I am sure they will speak up. Cheri On Mar 24, 2019 3:11 PM, "Ângela Loura" wrote: > Yes, that's possible. > > escreveu no dia domingo, 24/03/2019 à(s) 19:45: > >> Is there a minimum age for a Padrinho. >> >> The record shows the padrinho is the son of the baptized baby's father >> (the baby's half-brother). >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR- >> VL-MANADAS-B-1844-1860/SJR-VL-MANADAS-B-1844-1860_item1/P83.html >> >> I just found this boy's baptism and he would have just turned 13 years >> old (born March 1841) when becoming padrinho to his half-sister. >> >> Bill Seidler >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] List of Seminary students
Debbie, All your posts related to this thread have now been deleted. You have to wait for Google Groups to resync it or whatever it does. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 2:13 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca < jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote: > I did delete the shared file from my google drive so no one can download > it from there. > > Can you delete my entire post from this thread? Apparently I can’t delete > myself. > > Debbie > > > > > On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 12:08 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca < > jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Cheri, >> >> Please tell me how to delete my post with the list. I had no idea I was >> breaking rules. >> >> Debbie >> jessdebmendo...@gmail.com >> >> On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 9:37 AM Cheri Mello wrote: >> >>> NO, it IS the list of students and it may NOT be shared via this list. >>> Please obtain the list from the Azores GenWeb (and read the directions on >>> how to find the student list in that file). >>> Thank you, >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] List of Seminary students
NO, it IS the list of students and it may NOT be shared via this list. Please obtain the list from the Azores GenWeb (and read the directions on how to find the student list in that file). Thank you, Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] List of Seminary students
List Members, Do NOT share the file through the list. We do NOT have permission from the Seminary to share the file in that way. Permission was granted to the Azores GenWeb ONLY. Please download it from there. I needed to delete the message with the attached file. Every response with the file attached will be deleted. Sorry, but I have to do the right thing, and as the Listowner, I'm the one that they come down on. Thank you for understanding, Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 5:34 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy < azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: > I’m having trouble trying to download the file. The download turns out to > be a link to google and then nothing appears. Can anyone tell me how to > download the actual file? I’m using a pc and windows 10. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Sam (Mazatlán, MX) > > > > *From: *'Kathy Cardoza' via Azores Genealogy > *Sent: *Friday, March 22, 2019 6:59 AM > *To: *azores@googlegroups.com > *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] List of Seminary students > > > > Everyone should take Cheri's advice and download this file to your own > computer. > > > > Kathy > > Sent from my iPad > > ~~~ > > Visit the Azores GenWeb Project: > >http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/ > > ~~~ > > > > > On Mar 21, 2019, at 6:02 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: > > I would VERY QUICKLY download this to your computer and keep it somewhere > before it disappears. The Azorean Government has been having a lot of talk > about privacy, and this document violates it. Cheri > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 5:56 PM Rosemarie Capodicci > wrote: > > Kathy, thanks for putting it on your site, that way I can't forget how to > access the site! LOL > > > > Rosemarie > > rcap...@gmail.com > > Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, > > Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 4:45 PM 'Kathy Cardoza' via Azores Genealogy < > azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > There has been a new link added to the Azores GenWeb. It is a list of > seminary students that attended seminary in Angra from 1862 until 2013. > Information > includes the student name, their freguesia, their parents, the age they > were admitted to the seminary, the date admitted, and any observations. > > > > The link is titled, "Alunos do Seminário Episcopal de Angra de 1862 – 2013 > <https://www.dropbox.com/s/ux0hq8xg419f7m1/Alunos%20do%20Semin%C3%A1rio%20Episcopal%20de%20Angra%20de%201862%20-%202013-c%C3%B3pia.xls?dl=0> > *” *and can be found on this page: > http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/general-info/links.html > > > > > > When you connect to the linked file, look at the bottom of the page and > click on the middle tab, "Registo da BPARAH-2”, for the list of students. > The students are not only from Terceira, but could be from any of the > islands. The page is searchable by using Control+F for Windows, or > Command+F for Macs. > > > > Kathy Cardoza > > Coordinator, Azores GenWeb > > ~~~ > > Visit the Azores GenWeb Project: > >http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/ > > ~~~ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- > You received this
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] List of Seminary students
I would VERY QUICKLY download this to your computer and keep it somewhere before it disappears. The Azorean Government has been having a lot of talk about privacy, and this document violates it. Cheri Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 5:56 PM Rosemarie Capodicci wrote: > Kathy, thanks for putting it on your site, that way I can't forget how to > access the site! LOL > > Rosemarie > rcap...@gmail.com > Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, > Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily > > > On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 4:45 PM 'Kathy Cardoza' via Azores Genealogy < > azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> There has been a new link added to the Azores GenWeb. It is a list of >> seminary students that attended seminary in Angra from 1862 until 2013. >> Information >> includes the student name, their freguesia, their parents, the age they >> were admitted to the seminary, the date admitted, and any observations. >> >> The link is titled, "Alunos do Seminário Episcopal de Angra de 1862 – >> 2013 >> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/ux0hq8xg419f7m1/Alunos%20do%20Semin%C3%A1rio%20Episcopal%20de%20Angra%20de%201862%20-%202013-c%C3%B3pia.xls?dl=0> >> *”* and can be found on this page: >> http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/general-info/links.html >> >> >> When you connect to the linked file, look at the bottom of the page and >> click on the middle tab, "Registo da BPARAH-2”, for the list of students. >> The students are not only from Terceira, but could be from any of the >> islands. The page is searchable by using Control+F for Windows, or >> Command+F for Macs. >> >> Kathy Cardoza >> Coordinator, Azores GenWeb >> ~~~ >> Visit the Azores GenWeb Project: >>http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/ >> ~~~ >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Paternal Grandfather's name
Hi Leonor, I'm going to respond on a thread that you started and not Mario's. On your paternal side, from the mainlandYou are in a gap between the records and what is online, I believe. You are going to have to pay to get your dad's birth, as the 1920s births would list the grandparents. And from there you could go back in time. If you still have your Portuguese identity card, you can order the record yourself. I think it's here (looks like the redesigned the web site): https://eportugal.gov.pt/ If you no longer have your card, see if Joao Ventura, the archivist who lives on Terceira can get it for you: heroi99 at yahoo.com On the ancestress who has no father (or no parents)...I can see your tree on FTDNA. I'm not sure who you are referring to, as I'd need a name. I can see Monica de Jesus with no parents listed. I don't know if that means you are going to come back around to work her line or she's an exposta. If she is the exposta, put "Pai Incognito" for her dad and Mae Incognita for her mom. That's what us researchers do for our expostos or pai incognito lines. Then there's no assumption on anyone's part. :) Cheri Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 9:36 AM Leonor Bertoni wrote: > Thanks Margaret. It could be but I have another record that is clearer, I > will have to find it. > > Leonor > > On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 at 12:10, Margaret Vicente > wrote: > >> Leonor, >> >> I'me reading it as "Jose Joaquim Tronelho" >> >> Margaret >> >> On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 4:06 PM wrote: >> >>> Can someone make out the paternal grandfather's last name? I see João >>> Joaquim ??? >>> >>> >>> >>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1897-1899/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1897-1899_item1/P130.html >>> >>> TIA >>> >>> Leonor >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> >> >> -- >> Margaret M Vicente >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Paternal Grandfather's name
Leonor, There's only 1 Leonor in the Azores DNA project on Familly Tree DNA and it's not you. I know who that other Leonor is. You need to join the Azores DNA Project on FTDNA so I can help you and explain to you want you need to do next, who to contact, etc. Cheri Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 8:57 PM JR wrote: > Ok, I think I understand. You want to try and make links using DNA matches > because you don't know one part of your tree. Do your known ancestors > include anyone from Vila Franca? If you post them I may be able to help > with that. > > JR > > On Wednesday, March 20, 2019 at 11:17:40 PM UTC-4, Leonor Bertoni wrote: >> >> Hi, right now, I’m just pulling baptismal records of all my ancestors. >> This is while I’m reading some books on ancestry and trying to figure out >> where to go from here. For example, my maternal grandparents and my great >> grandparents never left the island. Once I have their baptismal, marriage >> and death records (and those of their decendants), what do I do? Am I done >> with them? Is there something else I can search? It seems like so little. >> My grandfather died at sea. I know nothing about life as a fishermanmy >> great grandmother was a foundling so I’m pretty much done my tree on her >> side. My father’s side I know absolutely nothing about. What I’ve been >> trying to do is connect with my DNA matches, and that seems to take me >> everywhere! I may be doing this all wrong but, for now, it’s the only way I >> know how, lol. >> >> On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 11:05 PM JR wrote: >> >>> Leonor, I am confused about who you are researching. Is it that you >>> don't know? You seem to be all over the place when searching. >>> >>> JR >>> >>> On Tuesday, March 19, 2019 at 4:06:36 PM UTC-4, leonor@gmail.com >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Can someone make out the paternal grandfather's last name? I see João >>>> Joaquim ??? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1897-1899/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1897-1899_item1/P130.html >>>> >>>> TIA >>>> >>>> Leonor >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogias das Quatro Ilhas: Faial, Pico, Flores, Corvo
Repost for Lucas Dutra, dutra.astro at gmail.com Hi everyone, I am Lucas and I am a descendant of Van Hurtere (Dutra or D'Utra) family and I would like to buy this book [Genealogias das Quatro Ilhas: Faial, Pico, Flores, Corvo], or find in PDF if it is possible. I'm trying to discover all my family's ancestry Does anyone knows how to find the book? Or, if someone here is from "Dutra family" contact me, I have a WhatsApp group for find our descendants Thanks, I expect someone read this after all this time -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Genealogical Conference, Salt Lake City, Utah, Tuesday, June 25 - Friday, June 28, 2019
Debbie, We try to do it about every 18 months or so. It depends on the availability at the host hotel (number of hotel rooms available for our group and if the lecture room is available). So the next one would probably be in the fall of 2020 (first week of Sept or so). Then spring of 2022 (typically 2nd week of April if it works out with the hotel). Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 8:35 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca < jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Cherie, > > How often do you do the Utah class? My passion for Jesse’s ancestry > wouldn’t make sense if I miss the birth of his new descendant. :) > > Can I sign up at the last minute? If the little guy comes early I may be > able to sneak away. He is due on June 24th. This Grammy wants to be in > two places at once! > > Debbie > > > > On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 4:55 PM Cheri Mello wrote: > >> It was posted about a month ago. Maybe you missed it or AOL ate it. LOL >> Here it is: https://t2m.io/YfiGdr8C >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> >> On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 4:38 PM ':' via Azores Genealogy < >> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi Cherie, >>> >>> Hope all is going well. I was just looking for a registration form for >>> the Salt Lake Conference in June. I didn't see any. I'd like to register, >>> please. >>> >>> Ate logo, >>> >>> Marie Pleasant seekg...@aol.com >>> >>> In a message dated 7/12/2018 2:05:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, >>> gfsche...@gmail.com writes: >>> >>> The Portuguese Genealogical Conference & Research Trip will be held >>> again in Salt Lake City, Utah from Tuesday, June 25 – Friday, June 28, >>> 2019. I still need to contact the Family History Library in Salt Lake to >>> arrange the computer lab. So no class itinerary or registration is out yet. >>> >>> However, you can block out the dates and reserve your room at the Salt >>> Lake Plaza Hotel (800) 366-3684 or (801) 521-0130. Tell them you are >>> with the Portuguese (or you may have to tell them Azores). The rooms are >>> around $95 USD a night (I will get the price when I get back home). There's >>> a block of 30 rooms. Half are the standard rooms at the $95 ish rate >>> and the other half are the deluxe at about $105. So early bird gets the >>> worm. If the front desk is having a hard time finding the conference, ask >>> for Rich Williams, the sales manager and he will get you in. >>> >>> Cheri Mello & Rosemarie Capodicci >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] das dores
Yes, I've seen "das Dores." Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 4:34 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy < azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Here’s a new one. The baby’s name is Maria das dores, Maria of pain? > Really! > > > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1880-1889/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1880-1889_item1/P108.html > (bottom right) > > > > Sam (Mazatlán, MX) > > > > > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient_term=icon> > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient_term=link> > <#m_1095975049060504408_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Birth date help
Liz, Since it's taken out of context, it doesn't make sense. Post the record so people can take a look. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 2:46 PM Elizabeth Migliori wrote: > What does it mean when it says that they were born on the predicted day? > Does that mean they were born and baptized on the same day? > > Thx > Liz > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Joao Bernardo - Are these the same parents?
Chronological order (all children are listed as legitimate): 1) Joao, born 17 June 1897, s/o Joao Bernardo (s/o Jacinto Bernardo and Jacinta Rosa) and Maria dos Anjos (d/o Manuel Cabral and Maria Isabel). 2) Joao, born 8 Sep 1902, s/o Joao Bernardo (s/o Jacinto Bernardo and Jacinta de Jesus Raposo) and Maria Luisa (d/o Manuel dos Santos Calheta and Jacinta Emilia) 3) Maria #2, b. 8 Mar 1903, d/o Joao Bernardo (s/o Jacinto Bernardo and Jacinta de Jesus) and Maria dos Santos (d/o Jose Cabral and Maria Ricarda) It takes 9 months to have a baby, so there's no way kid #2 and kid #3 are from the same Joao Bernardo. That's only 6 months apart. Kid #1 doesn't have maternal grandparents that match the other kids. Where is Maria #1? This is going to be tedious, but you need to go record by record recording every single kid born to every Joao Bernardo you can find. You might be able to shortcut it a little by checking marriages for every single Joao Bernardo. I've seen freguesia who would have, say, a Joao Bernardo, a son name Joao Bernardo, and uncle named Joao Bernardo, a cousin named Joao Bernardo, and at some point it gets crazy and they start using nicknames or tacking on a second surname. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 3:32 PM 'Kathy Cardoza' via Azores Genealogy < azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: > I don’t think having 3 sons with the same name is normal, but it certainly > is possible. I have a family with two sons that had exactly the same > nameManuel Pereira Rosa. Both lived and immigrated into California. So, > it does happen. One of those naming traditions/rules that gets broken > occasionally. > > Kathy > > Sent from my iPad > ~~~ > Visit the Azores GenWeb Project: >http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/ > ~~~ > > > On Mar 18, 2019, at 12:38 PM, leonor.bert...@gmail.com wrote: > > Hello everyone, > While I know that it is very common for a couple to have multiple > daughters with the same name, I have never come across more that one son > with the same name, unless one died before the other was born. Below I have > 3 couples where the father's name is João Bernardo, they are different > couples (different wives). The paternal grandparents look to be the same. > The paternal grandmother's name changes but the first name stays > consistent, to make matters worse, two of the mothers seem to be sisters. > Is having 3 sons with the same name normal? Counting the 3 Joãos, this > couple would have had 8 kids, not enough to run out of names! > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1900-1905/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1900-1905_item1/P502.html > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1900-1905/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1900-1905_item1/P425.html > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1897-1899/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1897-1899_item1/P90.html > > Leonor > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] #33 name
Liz, It may just be the priest/scribe. I reach Sao Miguel and I haven't seen it very much. Guess that priest wasn't assigned to my ancestor's church. :) Cheri Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 6:25 PM Liz Migliori wrote: > Thank you > Odd I’ve not seen it before. But very heavily used on my search in Sao > Miguel > > > Thx again > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 18, 2019, at 3:09 PM, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy < > azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Liz, I think it is “Un párvulo” – A child. > > > > Sam (Mazatlán, MX) > > > > *From: *Elizabeth Migliori > *Sent: *Monday, March 18, 2019 2:46 PM > *To: *azores@googlegroups.com > *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] #33 name > > > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1870-1879/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1870-1879_item1/P220.html > > > > Can someone tell me what is the name on left side # 33. Have not come > across it before but now several in Sao miguel. > > > > Thanks > > Liz > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > > > > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient_term=icon> > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient_term=link> > <#m_4510111688656297673_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: my GGgrandfather
The CITCEM hosted on UMinho is probably *mostly* accurate. Since it was created by a team of sociology students, you need to cross check with the CCA. We all make mistakes. Who knows if it's 70% accurate or 80% accurate or ?? Someone would have to redo the whole thing, keeping track of the errors. Cheri Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 10:20 AM Mike wrote: > I don't know how accurate the Minho site is but it shows a whole host of > ancestors, but for now I'm just glad he's finally nailed down with his > immediate family. > > On Monday, March 18, 2019 at 8:30:11 AM UTC-3, Mike wrote: >> >> It has taken almost 4 years, but with some help from a couple of people I >> finally know for sure what village, correct BD, his parents and >> grandparents. his siblings Antonio S Pereira is from Cedros, Faial. What >> finally helped was finding his last will attached to the title abstract of >> my grandmothers house, he listed a sister I didn't know about. >> Her name was the last clue needed. >> Mike >> Cedros, Salao, Faial, Piedade, Pico >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] my GGgrandfather
Hunt every piece of evidence you can find. You don't know where that clue is. I've had someone find their freguesia literally carved in stone, on the back of the tombstone, although it was translated into English! It too, took me 4 years and 25 documents before I found it! Congratulations! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 4:30 AM Mike wrote: > It has taken almost 4 years, but with some help from a couple of people I > finally know for sure what village, correct BD, his parents and > grandparents. his siblings Antonio S Pereira is from Cedros, Faial. What > finally helped was finding his last will attached to the title abstract of > my grandmothers house, he listed a sister I didn't know about. > Her name was the last clue needed. > Mike > Cedros, Salao, Faial, Piedade, Pico > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] How to transfer your DNA to Family Tree DNA
Ally, Not sure I understand what you mean. You just follow the steps :) Cheri Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 9:13 PM Ms AVA wrote: > Cheri - May I use your STEPS to TRANSFER with my matches on Ancestry? I'm > happy to give your credit. > > ALLY Vieira Anselmo/Pinheiro Nunes > Sao Miguel & Faial > > > On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 12:56 PM Cheri Mello wrote: > >> Here's how to transfer your DNA to Family Tree DNA (FTDNA). It's free to >> transfer and the matching is free. To unlock FTDNA's tools is $19 USD. >> >> Yes, I know I have 3 Step 1s. Pick the company you tested with out of >> Step and and go to Step 2. Step 4 is only for AncestryDNA testers. >> >> 1) Download the raw data from Ancestry DNA: >> >> https://support.ancestry.com/s/article/Downloading-Raw-DNA-Data-1460089696533 >> >> 1) Download the raw data from My Heritage: >> >> >> https://faq.myheritage.com/DNA/Manage-DNA-/951697461/How-do-I-download-my-raw-DNA-data-file-from-MyHeritage.htm >> >> >> >> 1) Down the raw data from 23 and Me (v.3, v.4, v.5): >> >> >> https://customercare.23andme.com/hc/en-us/articles/212196868-Accessing-and-Downloading-Your-Raw-Data >> >> >> >> 2) While waiting for the file to be compiled and emailed, create an >> account on FTDNA: >> https://www.familytreedna.com/autosomal-transfer >> >> 3) Download the raw data file that is in the email. Hopefully, it >> downloads to the Download folder or the Desktop. >> >> >> >> 4) AncestryDNA changed their chip again and it's incompatible. Use this >> converter tool: >> http://www.mapmy23.com/tools/ancestry_ftdna_fix.php >> >> >> >> 5) Upload the raw data to the FTDNA page. Then join the Azores DNA >> project. >> >> i) Log into the FTDNA page with the kit number and password. >> >> ii) Across the top is says: myFTDNA, DNA Tests, ProjectsPoint at >> Projects. When the drop down menu appears, click "Join a project." >> >> iii) If the Azores Islands appears on the top, click the link and scroll >> down to the JOIN button at the end. >> >> iv) If the Azores Islands is not suggested, scroll down to where it says >> "Search by Surname" and type: azores. >> >> v) When Azores Islands appears, click the link and follow >> the directions. >> >> Thanks, Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer), Azores DNA Project >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mello 1909-2003 Azores
There's a Madeira Google Group as well: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/madeira-genealogy The Madeira Islands are a different archipelago than the Azores Islands. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 3:16 PM Karen LeFord wrote: > > Cheri > Thanks for your response. Morte was my mothers maiden name which she hated > because of the translation. I did find that Morte on Documents on a Madiera > web site. With Grandpa Morte baptism. I will post that asap maybe someone > could translate the entire doc. > Thank you > Karen LeFord > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 17, 2019, at 1:16 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: > > Hi Karen, > > You need a name, date, and specific place. Not just the island. Everything > in the Azores is organized on the town (freguesia) level. > > The Madeira Islands, of which there are two (Madeira and Porto Santo) is a > different archipelago than the Azores Islands, of which there are 9 (Santa > Maria, Sao Miguel, Terceira, Graciosa, Sao Jorge, Pico, Faial, Flores, and > Corvo). > > I'm not clear on who you are researching or what time period (date). You > are researching someone on Madeira, but going to the Azores. Morte means > death. That's not a surname that's used over there, unless it's some kinda > of strange nickname. > Cheri > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mello 1909-2003 Azores
Glad someone has seen the surname Morte. That's new for me. Thanks!! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 3:00 PM JR wrote: > Morte is a name that can be found in Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel Island. Such > as Martins Morte and Oliveira Morte. But it may exist in other locations. > > JR > > On Sunday, March 17, 2019 at 1:09:29 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: >> >> (Starting this thread over, as it wasn't a fresh thread and it'll mess up >> the system in the archives later) >> >> Repost for Karen LeFord, karenleford at gmail.com >> >> Looking for connections to family in the Azores. Very new to this shared >> email. All 4 of my grandparents come from different Islands in the Azores. >> Surnames: Morte, Silva, Leal (Lial), Perry, Carvalho, >> Cunha are some. There was a Irene Lorraine Mello who married my great >> Uncle Frank Morte, which appears they married before coming to California. >> Trying to track the Morte name. I did find some documents in Portuguese >> showing them on Madeira my grandfather Peter Morte baptism. I would like >> find a location of that. As i will be visiting the Azores in June 2019. Any >> help appreciated >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA's St. Patrick's Day sale ending March 17 (no need to be Irish)
(Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and IslandRoutes lists) Today is the last day to get $20 USD off of Family Finder at Family Tree DNA (regularly $79 USD and on sale for $59 USD. Add $12.95 S to each kit). For a NEW customer (you have never tested or you are testing someone who has never tested with FTDNA) order here: Azores: https://t2m.io/wLGukUji Madeira: https://t2m.io/X2qQzwPS If you are an EXISTING FTDNA customer, log into your page with your kit number and code, and order that way. The past 4 or so years, FTDNA has also had a DNA sale in honor of DNA Day - the discovery of DNA. This year, DNA Day is April 25th, so they *could* have a small sale around that weekend. Just because they have in the past does not mean that they will this year. Also, I have no advance knowledge of what types of DNA tests they will put on sale. Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer) Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mello 1909-2003 Azores
Hi Karen, You need a name, date, and specific place. Not just the island. Everything in the Azores is organized on the town (freguesia) level. The Madeira Islands, of which there are two (Madeira and Porto Santo) is a different archipelago than the Azores Islands, of which there are 9 (Santa Maria, Sao Miguel, Terceira, Graciosa, Sao Jorge, Pico, Faial, Flores, and Corvo). I'm not clear on who you are researching or what time period (date). You are researching someone on Madeira, but going to the Azores. Morte means death. That's not a surname that's used over there, unless it's some kinda of strange nickname. Cheri -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Mello 1909-2003 Azores
(Starting this thread over, as it wasn't a fresh thread and it'll mess up the system in the archives later) Repost for Karen LeFord, karenleford at gmail.com Looking for connections to family in the Azores. Very new to this shared email. All 4 of my grandparents come from different Islands in the Azores. Surnames: Morte, Silva, Leal (Lial), Perry, Carvalho, Cunha are some. There was a Irene Lorraine Mello who married my great Uncle Frank Morte, which appears they married before coming to California. Trying to track the Morte name. I did find some documents in Portuguese showing them on Madeira my grandfather Peter Morte baptism. I would like find a location of that. As i will be visiting the Azores in June 2019. Any help appreciated -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Assistance - Graciosa - Pedro do Conde Sodre
I'm not sure if this is the case here. Did this baby die? I'm pretty sure it's a term though. In my American research, when I've seen a baby referred to as a "creature" the baby died. It appeared to have birth defects. I don't know that would be the case in the Azores though. I've seen babies called "creatures." Cheri Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 2:38 AM wrote: > I noticed a Pedro Conde de Sodré in a family tree on familysearch.org > whose wife was Catharina Antunes de Miranda. It says that he was born Abt. > 1605 and she Abt. 1610 and that they married Abt. 1630. That would be 98 > years before the marriage you posted. > > Since CCA is down I couldn't try to determine the veracity of the > familysearch.org information, but I thought it might interest you so I'm > passing it along. > https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LYK7-WZD > > Bill Seidler > > > On Saturday, March 16, 2019 at 11:35:39 PM UTC-7, want2beunique wrote: >> >> Thank you Bill! >> >> This helps tremendously. This may not be THE Pedro I need, but I've >> captured his information for later incorporation in my tree. >> >> I looked at the last part with "critatura" and came up with the same. >> Strange way to refer to a baby. >> >> Thanks again! >> >> Bill >> >> [image: Inline image] >> >> >> On Saturday, March 16, 2019, 5:22:29 PM PDT, bsei...@gmail.com < >> bsei...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> I think Pedro's wife is D. Barbara de Mello. Specifically what I see is >> ...e D. Agada--DIGO--D. Barbara de Mello. (He initially wrote Agada, then >> corrected himself to Barbara) >> >> You translated the date of birth: 10 Sep 1728. It later says he was >> baptized in this parish of NS da Guadalupe on day 18 of the same month and >> year. Padrinhos: Manuel Fernandes Balieiro, married with D. Antonia ? de >> Jesus, parishioners of Matriz da Santa Cruz; and Agada Novaes?, daughter of >> Alferes Antonio ? Picanço?, resident of parish of Apostolo São Mattheus. >> Witnesses were the same Alfares Antonio Pereira Picanço (I can read it >> better her) and Manuel de Conde, brother of the father of this >> criatura??(I'm sure this a word that references the baby, but I am >> reluctant to translate it as creature) >> >> Bill Seidler >> >> On Saturday, March 16, 2019 at 1:37:21 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote: >> >> Debbie, >> >> The records are the spelling rules before 1911. The translators use the >> modern spellings. So that is why you see the discrepancies. >> >> The number one: um, hum, and hu (with the tilde over the u) is one that >> confuses the translator. Many others exist too. >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> >> On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 1:33 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca < >> jessdeb...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> I find it helpful to just type your partial translation into google >> translate: >> >> Manoel son of Pedro do Conde Sodre and of [Agada Mejeo?] Of Dona Barbara >> de Mello Parochiano of [?] Living on the Victory Road on the 10th of >> September, one thousand seven hundred and twenty eight, and [foy?] >> Parochial of Our Lady of Guadalupe on the [...] month and year in ... >> >> Simple, but helpful most of the time. It has me looking harder for the >> spelling of what you are unsure of because it doesn’t recognize those >> either. >> >> Debbie >> >> >> On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 12:15 PM 'Bill Boyd' via Azores Genealogy < >> azo...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >> Hello! >> >> I have a partial translation for this baptism (bottom right) >> >> >> http://culturacores.azores. gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA- >> SC-GUADALUPE-B-1717-1730/GRA- SC-GUADALUPE-B-1717-1730_ item1/P154.html >> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1717-1730/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1717-1730_item1/P154.html> >> >> Partial translation: >> Manoel filho de Pedro do Conde Sodre e de [Agada Mejeo?] de Dona Barbara >> de Mello Parochiano de [?] moradora no Caminho da Victoria nos ao em os >> dez de Setembro de mil sete centos vinte oito, e [foy?] Parochial de Nossa >> Senora de Guadalupe em os [?] de mes e anno em ... >> >> The wife's name should be (according to oth
[AZORES-Genealogy] How to start a new subject, topic, or thread on any List-serv or Group
Here's how to start a new subject, topic, or thread on any list-serv or group. We will use this group as an example. 1) Go to your email client and click button for Compose or New Email or what have you. 2) In the To or Address box, put: azores@googlegroups.com 3) In the Subject, put your subject, as you would any email. I do suggest trying to put the 3 key pieces in the subject, if applicable. Name, date (or range) and place. Many people are still working and scan the subject heading for their area. "Help Me" or "I'm New" or "Translate This" will miss a good chunk of the reading audience as they are busy. But you put "Silva, 1860-1880s, Sao Miguel island" and you've just made the busy people stop and look at your email. 4) In the body, put what you know, what research you've done, what you need help with, etc. Hope this helps those who are new to list-servs and groups :) Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Assistance - Graciosa - Pedro do Conde Sodre
Debbie, The records are the spelling rules before 1911. The translators use the modern spellings. So that is why you see the discrepancies. The number one: um, hum, and hu (with the tilde over the u) is one that confuses the translator. Many others exist too. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 1:33 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca < jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > I find it helpful to just type your partial translation into google > translate: > > Manoel son of Pedro do Conde Sodre and of [Agada Mejeo?] Of Dona Barbara > de Mello Parochiano of [?] Living on the Victory Road on the 10th of > September, one thousand seven hundred and twenty eight, and [foy?] > Parochial of Our Lady of Guadalupe on the [...] month and year in ... > > Simple, but helpful most of the time. It has me looking harder for the > spelling of what you are unsure of because it doesn’t recognize those > either. > > Debbie > > > On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 12:15 PM 'Bill Boyd' via Azores Genealogy < > azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> Hello! >> >> I have a partial translation for this baptism (bottom right) >> > > >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1717-1730/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1717-1730_item1/P154.html >> >> Partial translation: >> Manoel filho de Pedro do Conde Sodre e de [Agada Mejeo?] de Dona Barbara >> de Mello Parochiano de [?] moradora no Caminho da Victoria nos ao em os >> dez de Setembro de mil sete centos vinte oito, e [foy?] Parochial de Nossa >> Senora de Guadalupe em os [?] de mes e anno em ... >> >> The wife's name should be (according to other sources) Catarina Antunes >> de Miranda. What is the name of Pedro's spouse and what are the words >> before her name? Also, I couldn't determine Manoel's birth date. >> >> I'm starting to explore earlier records hoping to find a connection from >> the Azores to the mainland. We are planning a trip to Portugal in the >> Summer and I would really love to find where either the Conde line or the >> da Silva de Vasconcellos originated. Any assistance is greatly appreciated! >> >> Bill Boyd >> Sacramento, California >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] How to transfer your DNA to Family Tree DNA
Here's how to transfer your DNA to Family Tree DNA (FTDNA). It's free to transfer and the matching is free. To unlock FTDNA's tools is $19 USD. Yes, I know I have 3 Step 1s. Pick the company you tested with out of Step and and go to Step 2. Step 4 is only for AncestryDNA testers. 1) Download the raw data from Ancestry DNA: https://support.ancestry.com/s/article/Downloading-Raw-DNA-Data-1460089696533 1) Download the raw data from My Heritage: https://faq.myheritage.com/DNA/Manage-DNA-/951697461/How-do-I-download-my-raw-DNA-data-file-from-MyHeritage.htm 1) Down the raw data from 23 and Me (v.3, v.4, v.5): https://customercare.23andme.com/hc/en-us/articles/212196868-Accessing-and-Downloading-Your-Raw-Data 2) While waiting for the file to be compiled and emailed, create an account on FTDNA: https://www.familytreedna.com/autosomal-transfer 3) Download the raw data file that is in the email. Hopefully, it downloads to the Download folder or the Desktop. 4) AncestryDNA changed their chip again and it's incompatible. Use this converter tool: http://www.mapmy23.com/tools/ancestry_ftdna_fix.php 5) Upload the raw data to the FTDNA page. Then join the Azores DNA project. i) Log into the FTDNA page with the kit number and password. ii) Across the top is says: myFTDNA, DNA Tests, ProjectsPoint at Projects. When the drop down menu appears, click "Join a project." iii) If the Azores Islands appears on the top, click the link and scroll down to the JOIN button at the end. iv) If the Azores Islands is not suggested, scroll down to where it says "Search by Surname" and type: azores. v) When Azores Islands appears, click the link and follow the directions. Thanks, Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer), Azores DNA Project Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Students of the Seminary of Angra, 1862-2013
There's something like 2700+ people in that seminary file. I don't think all became priests. I found a 3rd cousin listed and he's not a priest. There was a note after his name that said he was absent. Ooooh, another link for us to explore. Maybe Kathy Cardoza can figure out how to link it to the Azores GenWeb for us! I had searched an ancestor name and freguesia which caused me to pick up that seminary document. Cheri Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 8:36 AM Margaret Vicente wrote: > Thank you Cheri, > > I have more than a dozen in the family. Did find the more recent ones. > > As an FYI, and in further checking it seems the Seminary has gone > digital. Here's the link > > http://seminariodeangra.pt/biblioteca/ > > > > On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 11:22 AM Mary Bordi wrote: > >> Ever since I found the obit of a parish priest I have had a great >> interest in knowing more about them. He had been in seminary before the >> years covered by this document but from his obit I learned who his parents >> were and his village of birth. That got me to wondering about all of them! >> >> Mary >> >> >> On Saturday, March 16, 2019, wrote: >> >>> Wow, Cheri. What a find! >>> >>> I found my great great Uncle who was admitted when he was 19 years old. >>> >>> He later became Monsignor Azevedo and was the founder of St Elizabeth's >>> church in Sacramento, CA! >>> >>> I had walked by this place in Angra and wondered if there were any >>> records. >>> >>> Thank you!! >>> >>> Lisa Caetano Harley >>> >>> On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 6:54:31 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote: >>>> >>>> I somehow tripped across this in an Internet search. >>>> >>>> The title says it's a list of students from the Seminary in Angra, from >>>> 1862-2013. They are all boys, some as young as 10. Not everyone becomes a >>>> priest. It lists the name of the student, where they are from, their >>>> parents, and age. There's an admission date, so just subtract for an >>>> approximate birth. It is an Excel document. Do a Ctrl+F (or Cmd+F for Mac) >>>> and search by FREGUESIA. >>>> >>>> >>>> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t=j==s=web=11=2ahUKEwi-svDfpoXhAhVQip4KHQqAC9QQFjAKegQIBhAC=https%3A%2F%2Fseminario-episcopal-de-angra.webnode.pt%2F_files%2F20757-52d3953d1e%2FAlunos%2520do%2520Semin%25C3%25A1rio%2520Episcopal%2520de%2520Angra%2520de%25201862%2520-%25202013.xls=AOvVaw272mMggzifpSsVMJ91XT-F >>>> >>>> Good luck and happy hunting! >>>> Cheri Mello >>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > > -- > Margaret M Vicente > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tracking My Grandparents lost without a trace
Hi Mario or Billy, You are looking a church records. They are done by date. If it's a baptism, they are going by baptism date. So they are chronological. It may take more than 2 days to get used to it though. Silva/Silvia and things like that, you'll get use to it. If you know your dad was Mariano and was born 14 Apr 1914, you can get his baptism which will provide his parents and his grandparents and from there, you can use the online records. You need to know the exact village your dad came from. If he came from the city of Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel, you'll need to know the church as they have a few. Once you get the 3 piece of information (name, date, and place -village and/or church), you can pay Joao Ventura to retrieve the record for you. He takes PayPal. His email is heroi99 at yahoo.com After that, we can show you the format that the records follow for the 3 time periods. It's on the Azores GenWeb here: http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/finding-your-portuguese/finding-your-portuguese-9/ And if you learn better in person than reading and figuring it out on your own, you are in luck. We are having a Portuguese Genealogy Conference in June in Salt Lake City. That information is here: http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/2019slcazoresconfv12.pdf Good luck, Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 8:15 PM Billy Shear wrote: > I've wasted two days, going through Birth records,Passport records > Baptismal records looking over the Centro de Conhecimento. All such a waste > of time. I don't understand their system, nothing is files by dates(like > year,month,day) they start with first names. So in my case. His first name > was Manuel and my Grandmother is Maria, page after page so disappointing. I > think I'll just forget about trying to find out were they came from and > just visit the Island. I would think someone would come up with a better > system. To make things worst their last name was changed from DaSilva to > Silvia when they come from Sao Miguel, Ponta Delgarda to the USA,so much > for accuracy. So half my cousins are Silva and the other half are Silvia. > My father was born there and his first name was Mariano, now that's a > different name. I found a few pages with that first name however it does > not go to April 14,1914. I hope when I get there it will be some what > easier. > > Thank for any help > Mario Silvia > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Students of the Seminary of Angra, 1862-2013
The last year is 2012, but the file is named 2013. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 7:11 PM Mary Bordi wrote: > I haven’t looked it this yet but it sounds like a great resource! > > Mary > > On Friday, March 15, 2019, Cheri Mello wrote: > >> I somehow tripped across this in an Internet search. >> >> The title says it's a list of students from the Seminary in Angra, from >> 1862-2013. They are all boys, some as young as 10. Not everyone becomes a >> priest. It lists the name of the student, where they are from, their >> parents, and age. There's an admission date, so just subtract for an >> approximate birth. It is an Excel document. Do a Ctrl+F (or Cmd+F for Mac) >> and search by FREGUESIA. >> >> >> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t=j==s=web=11=2ahUKEwi-svDfpoXhAhVQip4KHQqAC9QQFjAKegQIBhAC=https%3A%2F%2Fseminario-episcopal-de-angra.webnode.pt%2F_files%2F20757-52d3953d1e%2FAlunos%2520do%2520Semin%25C3%25A1rio%2520Episcopal%2520de%2520Angra%2520de%25201862%2520-%25202013.xls=AOvVaw272mMggzifpSsVMJ91XT-F >> >> Good luck and happy hunting! >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Students of the Seminary of Angra, 1862-2013
I somehow tripped across this in an Internet search. The title says it's a list of students from the Seminary in Angra, from 1862-2013. They are all boys, some as young as 10. Not everyone becomes a priest. It lists the name of the student, where they are from, their parents, and age. There's an admission date, so just subtract for an approximate birth. It is an Excel document. Do a Ctrl+F (or Cmd+F for Mac) and search by FREGUESIA. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t=j==s=web=11=2ahUKEwi-svDfpoXhAhVQip4KHQqAC9QQFjAKegQIBhAC=https%3A%2F%2Fseminario-episcopal-de-angra.webnode.pt%2F_files%2F20757-52d3953d1e%2FAlunos%2520do%2520Semin%25C3%25A1rio%2520Episcopal%2520de%2520Angra%2520de%25201862%2520-%25202013.xls=AOvVaw272mMggzifpSsVMJ91XT-F Good luck and happy hunting! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] visiting the Azores in May
Deb, If you know where you are going, rent a car. Or you can go to the taxi stand, ask for an English speaking driver, tell him where you want to go. Ask him how long it will take to get there and back, and an hour (or whatever to sightsee). If he says 4 hours, ask him what he makes in 4 hours and pay him that. Many people on this list have kept the names and numbers of specific taxi drivers who kinda double as tour guides. I'm sure they will speak up. I don't know which freguesias your ancestors were from. Sao Miguel is the largest island, 40 miles or so by 10 miles or so. If your ancestors are from the western end of the island, stay in Ponta Delgada. If they are from the northern side, you may want to say in Ribeira Grande. So it just depends. Others with Pico and Faial connections will probably have recommendations. Good luck and enjoy! Cheri Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 4:47 PM 'Deb McCabe' via Azores Genealogy < azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Four of us are visiting the Azores in May for two weeks. Any > recommendations on where to stay on Sao Miguel, Pico, or Faial? I would > appreciate your opinion on whether to rent a car or to hire a driver on > each island. Any names for either? > > I want to go to the villages where my ancestors lived. We also want to > enjoy the food and do some walks/hikes. Anything you would recommend? > > I would appreciate any thoughts you can share. > > Deb > > > *When I searched for ancestors, I found friends!* > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco Jose Cordeiro
OK, maybe if "Matt's" nephew is still on this list, he can say something and we can stop playing this game of "Matt." Too bad no one remembers the lady from America who came looking for family :( Rats. Get the Y-DNA test that fits your budget. The more markers, and providing that the Genetic Distance isn't much, the better. There's nothing wrong with starting out with 37 and upgrading later as the budget allows. For a 37 marker match, I'm finding that the Genetic Distance (GD) needs to be 0,1,2, for a Y67, the GD (Genetic Distance) needs to be 0, 1, 2, 3 or 4. I don't have a whole lot of people at Y111 who have figured it out, but my guess would be that they need a GD of 0-5. (There aren't as many "fast moving" markers in that final panel for me to say the GD could be 0-6. Yet. As more people take Y-DNA testing and figure out the matches, then I can say with more confidence what the GD should be). Try for a brother-in-law (cunhado) first. You may be able to talk them into Family Finder later. More data to play with. Cheri Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 6:34 PM wrote: > Wow! Cheri there is so much information in your answer but presented so > well that even I can get it. Thank you so much. > > I actually did an archive search and found that Matt's nephew joined this > group before I did and posted this in May 2012: > > *Francis Joseph was born in 1833, some where in the Azores. His Father > was carpenter named Antonio. We don’t know the name of his Mother. > Francis left the Azores as a young boy and* > *spent some years on whaling ships before “jumping ship” in New Zealand. > He was then 34 years old and spent the next 50 years living here. He never > became a naturalised citizen of New Zealand. In 1883, at the age of 50 > years he married an English woman in New Plymouth, Taranaki, New Zealand > and they had 3 children. Francis died there in August 1917 aged 84 years. > We do not know which island he came from and if anyone in the room has any > connection or knowledge of him or his family I’d be very grateful to hear > from you. He is my Gt Grandfather.* > *My Uncle who knows less than I do told me that about 30 years ago a lady > from America came looking for our family. Perhaps we have some American > relatives?* > > So in 2012 he was from "somewhere in the Azores". Based on the common > matches I think Graciosa is much more likely. There are several matches > that specifically list Praia, Graciosa. One of the common matches I have > confirmed descends from Francisco's father Antonio Jose Cordeiro, but from > his second wife (not Francisco's mother). > > I did notice that Matt did YDNA testing. If I can get one of my > brothers-in-law to do DNA testing which would be the appropriate test? My > brothers-in-law and their sons are also direct male descendants of > Francisco Jose. > > Thanks again. > Bill > > > On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 5:46:27 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote: >> >> Hi Bill (and those following along), >> >> I can answer with some specifics and not reveal the Match's name (who >> will now be called Matt for Match). >> >> Bill thinks that Matt may be a half 1C2R. (Say, you and your 1st cousin >> are cousins because of Grandma and Grandpa Silva. That's a 1C (1st Cousin). >> If you were a HALF 1C, then you come from one ancestor only (let's say >> Grandpa) because he married twice - one of you would come from one spouse >> and the other would come from the other spouse. That's how you get a 1/2 >> cousin. Which doesn't matter in the real world, but it does with the DNA >> numbers). >> >> So the shared centiMorgans (cMs - a genetic unit of measure) with Matt is >> 108 cMs with the longest block being 47 cMs! That's a really good block! >> >> From the DNA Geek's Probability chart, on the DNA Painter website: >> https://dnapainter.com/tools/sharedcmv4 >> >> >> [image: image.png] >> There's lots of "half" probabilities going on up there in that chart. >> >> Now for the longest block, from The Shared CentiMorgan Project: >> https://thegeneticgenealogist.com/2015/06/01/the-shared-cm-project-longest-shared-segment/ >> [image: image.png] >> >> Blaine Bettinger doesn't have the statistics on a Half 1C2R. On average, >> it would be a little less, but would be within range. (Blaine gets these >> stats by people submitting them to him and he publishes these charts for us >> to use). >> >> Matt is the grandson of the ancestor in question. He's done a Y-DNA test >> as well (yo
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco Jose Cordeiro
Bill, Email me offlist with your wife's kit number and the name of her DNA match. OR screen shot the match and block out the name of the match. OR contact the match and ask permission to post their name and picture, but be sure to explain to them that you are removing their name and picture from the security of the FTDNA web site and are posting it on the the World Wide Web and anyone with Internet access will be able to find out that they have DNA tested. Be sure that they understand that by your action, they cannot hold anyone else liable for the knowledge that they DNA tested is out there. And then send me that permission to post his/her name and picture. It's hard to help the Austrialians and New Zealanders in that time period. I don't know what resources they have for that time period. Instead of trying to prove that is guy is the match's guy, prove that he's not. Maria dies first (her obit does NOT say he's "ausente") so look for his death in that parish. Maria's obit also says she left 2 children. You need to reconcile that as well. I'd look for children of Maria and this Francisco for 5 years after Oct 1855 just to be really sure. And be really sure that you don't have 2 Francisco Joses married to 2 Maria Isabels in that same freguesia. I would think it would be very difficult to lie on a confession roll as well. The priest would find out. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 12:34 AM wrote: > This is just a shot in the dark looking for any help. My wife has a close > DNA match in New Zealand. He is the grandson of Francis Joseph. A mariner > that jumped ship in New Zealand in the 1860s, reported that he was widowed > when he married in New Zealand in the 1880s, was from the Azores and had a > father named Antonio that was a carpenter. Francis Joseph did work as a > cooper for his company in New Zealand. I got this information from member > of this list who is also a DNA match to my wife and a nephew of the closer > match. We are studying the possibility that Francisco Jose Cordeiro and > Francis Joseph might be the same person hoping to prove or disprove it. > > Their names and ages roughly line up. I do not know if Francisco's father > Antonio was a carpenter on Graciosa, but his son and grandson were both > carpenters. There is a Francis Joseph listed as a cooper on the Whaling > Ship Seconet on a voyage from 1955 to 1860 (a carpenter could easily be a > cooper) but unfortunately the database does not give an age or home. This > vessel did go to the South Pacific. > > I am trying to trace Francisco Jose Cordeiro and looking for any insight. > I am especially trying to figure out if he could have been absent from the > Azores from mid/late 1860s and on in spite of his wife's obit saying they > are still married. > > > Here is his baptism in 1828 in Sao Mateus da Praia, Graciosa > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1826-1833/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1826-1833_item1/P30.html > > Here is his marriage on Sao Miguel Island in July 1849: > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1841-1854/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1841-1854_item1/P121.html > > Here is his son Manuel's baptism in his home parish on Graciosa 5 months > later: > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1841-1855/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1841-1855_item1/P179.html > > Here is his second son Joao's baptism in Urzelina, Sao Jorge in 1852 (Note > that Urzelina is where his wife lived the two years prior to marriage > according to her marriage): > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1841-1855/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1841-1855_item1/P82.html > > That son died after just 40 days: > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1841-1858/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1841-1858_item1/P41.html > > Here is his 3d son (second named Joao) baptism in Oct 1855 (note: he was > born Jun 1854, about 15 months prior) > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1855-1860/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1855-1860_item1/P14.html > > This marriage lists Francisco Jose Cordeiro as father of the groom and is > a carpenter in 1882: > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-C-1880-1889/SJR-VL-URZELINA-C-1880-1889_item1/P24.html > > This obit says Maria Isabel is "casada com Francisco Jose Cordeiro" in 1901 > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1900-1911/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1900-1911_item1/P14.html > > The only Urzelina confessional roll available for the time in question is > 1888. It does not list Fran
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Confusing Birth Dates
Good question. I'm guessing it could go either way. You could record the actual birthday and in your note/memo field, explain the discrepancy. Or you could record what is on the paper and put the real birthday in your memo/note field. If someone is going to duplicate your work, they would go looking for the date on the paper. In my discrepancy case, I've recorded the date on the certificate in my program with notes written in my memo field. I bet half the people would do it the other way. Go with whatever you feel. Cheri Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 8:03 AM wrote: > Hello all, > Both my brother and my aunt were registered 2 years after they were born. > They were born a month apart, my parents couldn't get married because dad > was in the army and stationed elsewhere and they did not want to register a > baby out of wedlock. My grandfather was away at sea when my aunt was born. > My father returned home but my grandfather died at sea when my aunt was 4 > months old. Long story short, the kids were 2 years old when they were > finally registered but because there would be a fine if kids where not > registered within the first year of birth, the kids were registered as if > they were a year old instead of 2 years old, so their birth day and month > is correct, but on paper, they are a year younger than what they really > are. My question is, how would you register their birthday? Would you > register their actual birthday or their on paper birthday with a note > saying explaining the discrepancy? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] A few new books on the CCA
The general guideline that USED TO be followed was that the books from the Civil Registries that were over 100 years old would be sent to the archives on years divisible by 5. So that batch ending in 1905 was sent over in 2005. The next batch (1906-1910) should have been sent in 2010. And so forth and so on. When I went to Sao Miguel last summer (2018) and asked for books between 1906-1915, I was told that the arquives was full and they weren't accepting any more books. George Pacheco went there after me and found they did have some books for a few parishes (I think it was the council of Ponta Delgada). Maybe they figured out how to make more room and are accepting the records from the Civil Registries again. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 2:56 PM Leonor Bertoni wrote: > H, the 1906 - 1911 baptisms were realeased some time ago. When I first > started in January, only 1905 and before was available. Sometime in > February 1906 - 1911 became available. It only goes to March 1911, I was > hoping this was the rest on 1911. > > On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 5:49 PM Rosemarie Capodicci > wrote: > >> Cheri, are these some of the books that were not originally filmed by Sao >> Miguel?? If so, this is great for Sao Miguel researchers! All the way to >> 1911, wha whooo. >> >> Rosemarie >> rcap...@gmail.com >> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, >> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 2:35 PM Cheri Mello wrote: >> >>> For those who don't subscribe to the Tombo.pt alerts, here's today's >>> announcement about more available books from the CCA (in English): >>> https://tombo.pt/en/content/new-parish-books-in-20190310 >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] A few new books on the CCA
Rosemarie, Did you click the link? There's some Pico or something too. I only glanced down the list and then posted it. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 2:49 PM Rosemarie Capodicci wrote: > Cheri, are these some of the books that were not originally filmed by Sao > Miguel?? If so, this is great for Sao Miguel researchers! All the way to > 1911, wha whooo. > > Rosemarie > rcap...@gmail.com > Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, > Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily > > > On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 2:35 PM Cheri Mello wrote: > >> For those who don't subscribe to the Tombo.pt alerts, here's today's >> announcement about more available books from the CCA (in English): >> https://tombo.pt/en/content/new-parish-books-in-20190310 >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] A few new books on the CCA
For those who don't subscribe to the Tombo.pt alerts, here's today's announcement about more available books from the CCA (in English): https://tombo.pt/en/content/new-parish-books-in-20190310 Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Birth information
Gayle, Good to know Reunion has a Baptism event. For programs that allows people to "create" their own event, people need to be careful. When a Gedcom is created, some of those created events aren't Gedcom compliant and create havoc when imported. My genealogy program has no event for dispensation. I need that when researching Portuguese lines. So I created one, but looked at the Gedcom codes and assigned it to "EVEN" for "event" so when it imports to another person, it will come through in some kind of format that makes sense. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 10:13 AM 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy < azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Cheri, > > Reunion has a baptism event but also allows you to create a custom event > which you can name yourself. > > Gayle > > On Mar 8, 2019, at 9:41 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: > > Legacy (v. 9) has a Christening event/tag. RootsMagic has a Baptism > event/tag/fact. I don't know what Family Tree Maker has. Or Reunion. Since > a couple of them have a baptism or christening, I would think that the > others do too. It's a workaround. Or the "about" or "circa" or "before" as > well. > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > > On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 9:00 PM JR wrote: > >> Yes, the problem is most genealogy programs do not allow users to create >> a primary field that is not a 'birthdate'. I use the same about >> field/designation you just outlined. Since the 'abt' (about) date is exact, >> it makes the reader wonder why the author would use an exact date and still >> use the approximation designation in the birthdate field. The reader is >> then forced to turn to the notes section and/or, 'other events' fields for >> the answer. It works for me. And if I was writing a booklet about my >> Portuguese ancestry, I would simply put an explanation in the forward or >> index, to that effect. >> >> JR >> >> On Friday, March 8, 2019 at 9:52:25 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: >>> >>> Hi Walt, >>> >>> My genealogy program has a Baptism tag (some program calls them events). >>> So I enter the baptism date into the baptism field and leave it at that. >>> The first time period doesn't record the birth dates. Cheri >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 6:20 PM Comcast wrote: >>> >>>> I usually put Bef mar 25, 1678. Then at know to look before that date. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mar 8, 2019, at 5:50 PM, Walter Teixeira wrote: >>>> >>>> Cheri, >>>> >>>> I know you must have this information at the tip of your tongue and it >>>> would take me a lot longer to try and find it in one of your helping aids. >>>> During the time period where the birth date is not given in the baptism >>>> record and you only have the baptism date, what do most people do about the >>>> birth date? >>>> Example: >>>> Baptism Date: 25 March 1678 >>>> Birth Date: about 25 March 1678or about March 1678 >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Walt >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Avo incognito, Avo occulto; difference?
Sam, Those that grew up in the Azores or are more familiar with the history would have to chime in on how a child of an "adulterer" would be viewed over there. Cheri Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 8:56 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy < azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Interesting how they recorded this stuff. Cheri, or anyone, do you know > if there was a stigma attached to the child or to the parents for that > matter? I found it somewhat surprising that in the record I found it > stated that the husband had been “away for over 300 days” Certainly > leaves no doubt that the baby wasn’t his. So many scenarios in my mind for > when/if the husband returns. What happens to the baby? Mom keeps it, it > goes in the roda, dad keeps it. I did find one record where the mom wasn’t > listed, only the dad. > > > > Sam (Mazatlán, MX) > > > > *From: *Cheri Mello > *Sent: *Friday, March 8, 2019 12:15 PM > *To: *Azores Genealogy > *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Avo incognito, Avo occulto; difference? > > > > The "adulterer" term isn't used as in today's definition. Basically, one > (or both) parties were married. I have one record in my family where > Francisco was single, Maria was married to So-and-So. Francisco and Maria > had a baby. Francisco was listed as the adulterer. By today's definition, > Maria was the adultress and Francisco having relations with a married woman > isn't a nice thing, but I can't think of a "proper" word for that in the > English language. I know lots of name-calling terms for that, but I don't > think there's a proper word for a single man who has a relationship with a > married woman. > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 11:09 AM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca < > jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > While they both translate to hidden, as in refuse to name; oculto > definition includes not known. Could that be the difference? > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 9:31 AM Leonor Bertoni > wrote: > > Hi Sam, > > I have wondered about all these terms as well. I have found that when the > priest says "adulterina" he usually also mentions a father. Someone once > told me that it meant that the baby was conceived before marriage or the > couple were not married at all. > > > > On Fri, 8 Mar 2019 at 12:12, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy < > azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Happy Friday morning everyone; > > > > As I’ve been extracting baptisms/births, I have noticed that the same > priest during the same time period will sometimes use Avo incognito and > other times use Avo occult and on occasion simply state that it is > “natural de” and the mother’s name with no mention at all of the father. > On only one occasion, so far, has it been stated that the mother is > “adulterina” (may not have spelled that correctly) > > > > Does anyone know why it is recorded in these various ways. I understand > that if you are single you are not an “adulterine” but; other than that, > what are the differences? > > > > Thanks for educating me,. > > > > Sam (Mazatlán, MX) > > > > > > [image: > https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif] > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient_term=icon> > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient_term=link> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@goog
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Birth information
Legacy (v. 9) has a Christening event/tag. RootsMagic has a Baptism event/tag/fact. I don't know what Family Tree Maker has. Or Reunion. Since a couple of them have a baptism or christening, I would think that the others do too. It's a workaround. Or the "about" or "circa" or "before" as well. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 9:00 PM JR wrote: > Yes, the problem is most genealogy programs do not allow users to create a > primary field that is not a 'birthdate'. I use the same about > field/designation you just outlined. Since the 'abt' (about) date is exact, > it makes the reader wonder why the author would use an exact date and still > use the approximation designation in the birthdate field. The reader is > then forced to turn to the notes section and/or, 'other events' fields for > the answer. It works for me. And if I was writing a booklet about my > Portuguese ancestry, I would simply put an explanation in the forward or > index, to that effect. > > JR > > On Friday, March 8, 2019 at 9:52:25 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: >> >> Hi Walt, >> >> My genealogy program has a Baptism tag (some program calls them events). >> So I enter the baptism date into the baptism field and leave it at that. >> The first time period doesn't record the birth dates. Cheri >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 6:20 PM Comcast wrote: >> >>> I usually put Bef mar 25, 1678. Then at know to look before that date. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mar 8, 2019, at 5:50 PM, Walter Teixeira wrote: >>> >>> Cheri, >>> >>> I know you must have this information at the tip of your tongue and it >>> would take me a lot longer to try and find it in one of your helping aids. >>> During the time period where the birth date is not given in the baptism >>> record and you only have the baptism date, what do most people do about the >>> birth date? >>> Example: >>> Baptism Date: 25 March 1678 >>> Birth Date: about 25 March 1678or about March 1678 >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Walt >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Birth information
Hi Walt, My genealogy program has a Baptism tag (some program calls them events). So I enter the baptism date into the baptism field and leave it at that. The first time period doesn't record the birth dates. Cheri Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 6:20 PM Comcast wrote: > I usually put Bef mar 25, 1678. Then at know to look before that date. > > > > On Mar 8, 2019, at 5:50 PM, Walter Teixeira wrote: > > Cheri, > > I know you must have this information at the tip of your tongue and it > would take me a lot longer to try and find it in one of your helping aids. > During the time period where the birth date is not given in the baptism > record and you only have the baptism date, what do most people do about the > birth date? > Example: > Baptism Date: 25 March 1678 > Birth Date: about 25 March 1678or about March 1678 > > Thanks, > > Walt > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Avo incognito, Avo occulto; difference?
The "adulterer" term isn't used as in today's definition. Basically, one (or both) parties were married. I have one record in my family where Francisco was single, Maria was married to So-and-So. Francisco and Maria had a baby. Francisco was listed as the adulterer. By today's definition, Maria was the adultress and Francisco having relations with a married woman isn't a nice thing, but I can't think of a "proper" word for that in the English language. I know lots of name-calling terms for that, but I don't think there's a proper word for a single man who has a relationship with a married woman. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 11:09 AM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca < jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote: > While they both translate to hidden, as in refuse to name; oculto > definition includes not known. Could that be the difference? > > > > On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 9:31 AM Leonor Bertoni > wrote: > >> Hi Sam, >> I have wondered about all these terms as well. I have found that when the >> priest says "adulterina" he usually also mentions a father. Someone once >> told me that it meant that the baby was conceived before marriage or the >> couple were not married at all. >> >> On Fri, 8 Mar 2019 at 12:12, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy < >> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >>> Happy Friday morning everyone; >>> >>> >>> >>> As I’ve been extracting baptisms/births, I have noticed that the same >>> priest during the same time period will sometimes use Avo incognito and >>> other times use Avo occult and on occasion simply state that it is >>> “natural de” and the mother’s name with no mention at all of the father. >>> On only one occasion, so far, has it been stated that the mother is >>> “adulterina” (may not have spelled that correctly) >>> >>> >>> >>> Does anyone know why it is recorded in these various ways. I understand >>> that if you are single you are not an “adulterine” but; other than that, >>> what are the differences? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks for educating me,. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient_term=icon> >>> Virus-free. >>> www.avast.com >>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient_term=link> >>> <#m_-3322470399855527942_m_4665026750750709863_m_5430085544783651279_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] José Xavier Soares & Henrique Machado Silveira
Hi Patty C, We're a do-it-yourself list (well, we help you learn how), but if you prefer a researcher, there's a list on the Azores GenWeb here: http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/researchers-available-for.html Good luck, Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 10:38 AM Patty Carlin wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm looking for someone who can help me (for a fee) research my > grandparents & their families from the Azores. > > My mother's father, Henrique Machado Silveira, born in 1887 left Horta for > the US in 1902/03. His parents were Manuel Machado Silveira and Maria > Isabel Matos (we think). > > My mother's maternal grandfather, José Xavier P Soares, was born in 1858 > -- we think on São Miguel. His wife's name was Marguerite (Dias?) and > their oldest child, Frank, was born in the Azores. The family then moved > to the USA and their next two children were born in Massachusetts. > > I've done as much research as I can on ancestry.com. > > Thanks >Patty > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] US Naturalization pre-1906
Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel covers about 1/3 of the island. It's a fairly large area. Sit down with your grandfather and go to the Azores GenWeb here: http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/maps-churches-and-villages/sao-miguel/ Read every freguesia and church that belongs to Ponta Delgada. Maybe it will jog his memory if you say it. And get his DNA. He was born about 1930-31, so he has DNA in him back to about 1730-31. You'll want to use it to verify your paper trail and to overcome those "pai incognito" lines. There are many people from the Ponta Delgada council and we're still in survey/census mode, trying to collect as much data as we can. Order here: https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=AzoresIslands You want the Family Finder test. You will eventually want to add on Y-DNA 37, 67, or 111 and mtDNA (Full Sequence). It may go on sale towards the end of April (in honor of the day DNA was founded). If one DNA company has a St. Patrick's Day sale, the others might follow suit, so the price may drop about $20 USD. I suggest you use Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) because they use cheek swabs (looks like giant Q-tips). It's much easier for senior citizens than the saliva/spit tube samples. Good luck. I hope you jog his memory. Cheri Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 9:34 PM Justin Brown wrote: > Hello Cherri and Mara, I have basically every record you can have from the > US except for the immigration records. All census records, marriage > records, WW1 draft records, birth records of children, Family pictures, US > Directories, Names/Dates etc...They all say São Miguel(St.Michael) > Some census say Western Islands but I know that is a stand in for the > Azores. The island of origin wasn't a mystery though, as I know I'm of > Michalense descent but my grandfather who is almost 88 couldn't remember > the Conselho or Freguesia his family is from. Finally I found a > naturalization record that says Ponta Delgada, St Michael, Western > Islands(Azores). So now I am looking through the records from the > Azores(Ican speak, read, and write in Portuguese relatively well) to find > baptism and parental marriage records. I'm visiting São Miguel in a few > months for the second time and really want to find the exact place so I can > visit. Thank you for your responses they help a lot. I'm guess I'm just > glad it isn't Ponta Delgada the municipality as that covers almost have the > island or am I misreading and that is what you mean? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] US Naturalization pre-1906
Justin B, Pre-1906, post 1906, it doesn't matter. If they are using the name of the council it could be the city proper or somewhere within that council. My ancestor naturalized in 1956 and she gave the council, not the freguesia (village). It took me 4 years and 25 documents before I found the one with the freguesia (this was all done B.C. - before computers!) What do you know about your ancestor so far? What documents have you found? Cheri Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 11:32 AM Justin Brown wrote: > For people who became Naturalized US Citizens pre-1906 if it says they > were born in Ponta Delgada was it just a generalized thing or are they > actually from Ponta Delgada. Was it just a stand in because it is the > capital or is it specific. Thank you for any responses. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tarrabazana/Tarrabagna
And Google translate makes it a drunk person with a vessel on his head. Oh my! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 9:09 PM Margaret Vicente wrote: > Re Tarrobesana / Tarrobazana > > > > You may may wish to break it down in two words TARRO + BEZANA and you > shall find that according to Dicinario da Lingua Portugesa: > > > > tar·ro > > (origem controversa) > > substantivo masculino > > 1. Vaso em que os pastores recolhem o leite que vão ordenhando. > > > > 2. [Portugal: Alentejo] Recipiente de cortiça usado sobretudo para > transportar alimentos.Ver imagem > > > > 3. [Portugal: Beira] Conjunto de sedimentos que um líquido deixa no fundo > da vasilha. > > > > *be·za·na* > (origem obscura) > > *substantivo feminino* > > [Portugal, Informal] Estado de pessoa embriagada. = BEBEDEIRA, BUBA, > EMBRIAGUEZ, NARSA > > Confrontar: besana. > > > *"bezana"*, in Dicionário Priberam da Língua Portuguesa [em linha], > 2008-2013, https://dicionario.priberam.org/bezana [consultado em > 03-03-2019]. > > *"besana"*, in Dicionário Priberam da Língua Portuguesa [em linha], > 2008-2013, https://dicionario.priberam.org/besana [consultado em > 03-03-2019]. > > > > > > > > > > *From: *JR > *Sent: *March 2, 2019 6:37 PM > *To: *Azores Genealogy > *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tarrabazana/Tarrabagna > > > > I am beginning to wonder if Tarrabasana is really some kind of work and > not a nickname. > > > > JR > > On Saturday, March 2, 2019 at 3:33:23 PM UTC-5, Leonor Bertoni wrote: > > Thanks everyone. This came up as a suggestion from google for me but I > think that first letter is definitely a T. I will keep looking for more > records to see if anything else comes up. > > > > On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 2:30 PM Cheri Mello wrote: > > For those who need it in English: > > > > female noun > > Long pipe to shoot arrows, stones, etc. with the blow. = ESGARAVATANA, > SARBACANA, SARABATANA, ZARABATANA > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 11:11 AM JR wrote: > > Close: > > > sa·ra·ba·ca·na > (alteração de sarabatana) > > substantivo feminino > > Tubo comprido para atirar setas, pedras, etc. com o sopro. = ESGARAVATANA, > SARBACANA, SARABATANA, ZARABATANA > > "sarabacana", > > JR > > > > On Friday, March 1, 2019 at 9:41:52 AM UTC-5, Leonor Bertoni wrote: > > Sorry, record No. 33, again. > > > > On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 09:38, wrote: > > So, there is now a new version of this name. In this record it looks like > Tarrabasana. I am wondering if it is actually Tarragona, as in Tarragona, > Spain. I am 26% Spanish. > > > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881_item1/P20.html > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Genealogical Conference, Salt Lake City, Utah, Tuesday, June 25 - Friday, June 28, 2019
It was posted about a month ago. Maybe you missed it or AOL ate it. LOL Here it is: https://t2m.io/YfiGdr8C Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 4:38 PM ':' via Azores Genealogy < azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Hi Cherie, > > Hope all is going well. I was just looking for a registration form for > the Salt Lake Conference in June. I didn't see any. I'd like to register, > please. > > Ate logo, > > Marie Pleasant seekg...@aol.com > > In a message dated 7/12/2018 2:05:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, > gfsche...@gmail.com writes: > > The Portuguese Genealogical Conference & Research Trip will be held again > in Salt Lake City, Utah from Tuesday, June 25 – Friday, June 28, 2019. I > still need to contact the Family History Library in Salt Lake to arrange > the computer lab. So no class itinerary or registration is out yet. > > However, you can block out the dates and reserve your room at the Salt > Lake Plaza Hotel (800) 366-3684 or (801) 521-0130. Tell them you are with > the Portuguese (or you may have to tell them Azores). The rooms are around > $95 USD a night (I will get the price when I get back home). There's a > block of 30 rooms. Half are the standard rooms at the $95 ish rate and > the other half are the deluxe at about $105. So early bird gets the worm. > If the front desk is having a hard time finding the conference, ask for > Rich Williams, the sales manager and he will get you in. > > Cheri Mello & Rosemarie Capodicci > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tarrabazana/Tarrabagna
For those who need it in English: female noun Long pipe to shoot arrows, stones, etc. with the blow. = ESGARAVATANA, SARBACANA, SARABATANA, ZARABATANA Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 11:11 AM JR wrote: > Close: > > sa·ra·ba·ca·na > (alteração de sarabatana) > > substantivo feminino > > Tubo comprido para atirar setas, pedras, etc. com o sopro. = ESGARAVATANA, > SARBACANA, SARABATANA, ZARABATANA > > "sarabacana", > > JR > > On Friday, March 1, 2019 at 9:41:52 AM UTC-5, Leonor Bertoni wrote: >> >> Sorry, record No. 33, again. >> >> On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 09:38, wrote: >> >>> So, there is now a new version of this name. In this record it looks >>> like Tarrabasana. I am wondering if it is actually Tarragona, as in >>> Tarragona, Spain. I am 26% Spanish. >>> >>> >>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881_item1/P20.html >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] July 1900 disaster Santa Maria?
Hope no one reads this while drinking their morning coffee or having a meal. Sanitation (or lack thereof) could be a cause. I was researching a non-Portuguese line in Kentucky in the 1850s. And they had death records! First the 2 or 3 year old dies. Two weeks later, mom dies and the 8 year old dies only 2 days after the mom. Cause of death: Flux. Old term for dysentery. I had to look that one up too. Really bad diarrhea. I could only imagine the mom, who washed the diapers and other clothes, then went to cook or peel potatoes or something. Or even kissed or touched the other child with infected hands. Wiped his nose. Anything. Hand washing wasn't a thing back then. And I'm guessing it was the same all over the world. I saw a PBS show where a doctor was trying to figure out all these people dying in one location and then a random person several miles away. Who it turned out was in the core area (lack of sanitation) and picked up the illness. The stuff we didn't know back then. Simple hand washing to prevent a lot of illness. Terribly sad. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 10:14 AM Richard Francis Pimentel < richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com> wrote: > *I would agree with what others have suggested in that some sort of > illness was going around. Remember this is the time before immunizations > and drugs which we have today. So when we get something today it is no big > deal. I have come across many records where several members of the same > family would die within a short period of time. Young children seem to be > the most vulnerable to an illness.* > > > > *Rick* > > *Richard Francis Pimentel* > > *Epping, NH* > > > > > > > > > > *From:* 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy [mailto: > azores@googlegroups.com] > *Sent:* Friday, March 1, 2019 7:51 PM > *To:* genealogy > *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] July 1900 disaster Santa Maria? > > > > I’m doing obits right now and I have two siblings, one 11 months and the > other 15 days old that died 9 days apart in July of 1900. (July 20 and 29 > th) So sad. Out of curiosity, does anyone know of some disaster that > occurred around that time on Santa Maria island? Sickness, earthquake, ?? > > > > Sam (Mazatlán, MX) > > > > > > > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient_term=icon> > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient_term=link> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Another surname question: Santos and dos Santos
Santos is the surname. "dos" the prefix. Literally: dos= of the (plural) Santos= Saints. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 5:37 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy < azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: > If one uses the back-slashes for the surname both Santos and dos /Santos/ > would show up with only Santos as the surname. They are two distinctly > different surnames, are they not> > > > > Sam (Mazatlán, MX) > > > > > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient_term=icon> > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient_term=link> > <#m_20895340604626589_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] July 1900 disaster Santa Maria?
Could be a contagious illness as well. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 4:51 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy < azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: > I’m doing obits right now and I have two siblings, one 11 months and the > other 15 days old that died 9 days apart in July of 1900. (July 20 and 29 > th) So sad. Out of curiosity, does anyone know of some disaster that > occurred around that time on Santa Maria island? Sickness, earthquake, ?? > > > > Sam (Mazatlán, MX) > > > > > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient_term=icon> > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient_term=link> > <#m_-994498222584328034_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] I am trying to get my search for ancestors from Flores, Azores
They may both be siblings of Bob G's Maria. If his Maria was born on 31 Dec 1889, the baptism should appear in January of 1890. Unless he's off a year. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 4:49 PM Hughes Roselyn wrote: > Robert, > > This could be the link for your grandmother Maria > > > http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-FAJAGRANDE-B-1861-1889/FLR-LF-FAJAGRANDE-B-1861-1889_item1/P410.html > The following is a rough translation: > > On the first day of the month of January in the year 1889 in this church > parochial of Sao Jose of Faja Grande council of Lajas of the island of > Flores, Diocese of Angra baptised an individual of the female sex who was > given the name Maria, who was born at 6 hours in the afternoon on the 29 > day of December of the year 1888 the legitimate daughter of Francisco > Rodrigues Coelho, worker native of the village of Nossa Senhora da Remedias > da Fajazinha same council and diocese as this one, and of Maria Fernandes > de Coracao de Jesus, domestic, native of this village where they were > received and are parishioners living on the Rua de Assumadad of this > village, the paternal granddaughter of Jose Rodrigues Coelho and of Maria > de Freitas and maternal of Manuel de Freitas Fernandes and Policena de > Jesus. For Godfather Joao Ignacio de Freitas, single worker and Godmother > Maria Emila de Gloria single . > > and the following link could be her brother. > > > http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-FAJAGRANDE-B-1890-1910/FLR-LF-FAJAGRANDE-B-1890-1910_item1/P205.html > > Hope this helps. Good luck, > Roselyn > Researching Terceira, Sao Jorge, Pico > > On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 5:41 PM Rosemarie Capodicci > wrote: > >> Robert, >> You have a lot of good info. You really need to go to the AzoresGenWeb >> site here: http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/ and read all of the "how >> too" helps. There is a book that has Flores marriages for the Concelho >> (county) of Lages. That would include Faja Grande. >> I've found a marrriag of Francisco Rodrigues, age 27, son of Jose >> Rodrigues Coelho & Maria de Freitas on 1880.07.08 to a Maria Emilia >> Fernandes do Coracao de Jesus, age 15, daughter of Manuel de Freitas >> Fernandes & Policena Emilia do Coracao de Jesus. This is probably the right >> couple and you should to to the actual church baptisms to look for a Maria >> born about the time your grandmom gave as her birthdate. >> There is much more info on the AzoresGenWeb site to help you with your >> grandfather's side. You will need the island and the village to pursue his >> line. >> Good Luck, >> >> >> Rosemarie >> rcap...@gmail.com >> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, >> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 2:34 PM Robert Gonsalves >> wrote: >> >>> I am having a difficult time trying to find the correct place to search >>> for information about my paternal grandparents. I do know that my >>> grandmother Maria, Gloria Rodrigues (name from manifest) born 31 December >>> 18.89 in Faja Grande, Flores, Azores. Her father's name is listed as >>> Francisco Rodrigues Coehlo. She had a brother named Frank R. Freitas, the >>> name he went by here in the United States. There is confusion about the >>> last names. Her brother Frank (Francisco) had a last name of Freitas and >>> was born in 1902. Their father's name is listed the same on both >>> manifests. They had a sister named Clara but I can't find anything about >>> here. I have no information pertaining to my paternal great grandmother's >>> name. >>> >>> My grandmother was married to Joseph Antonio Goncalves here in the >>> united states. I am not sure of which island he came from. He had a >>> brother Antonio Joseph Goncalves. >>> >>> My grandparents immigrated to the US in year 1911 where my grandmother >>> worked as a domestic and my grandfather was a farm laborer. They were >>> married in 1913 and had two children, Adeline and Morris. My grandfather >>> passed away on 31 January, 1919 as a result of the flue epidemic. Also my >>> grandmother's sister Clara who was married to my grandfather's brother >>> Antonio Joseph Goncalves also passed away on 1 February, 1919. >>> >>> Later, my grandmother and her then brother-in-law Antonio Joseph were >>> married on 12 Septemb
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name patterns in genealogy programs
Sam, maybe you missed Rick's response. You put backslashes around the \surname\. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 4:41 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy < azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Rosemarie; Unfortunately, the FamilyTree program only has a “name” field > with one blank line. Unless, there is a way I am not aware of, entirely > possible, to change it to “Given” and “Surname” fields. If any FamilyTree > users out there know of a way to do that, I would sure appreciate you > sharing. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Sam (Mazatlán, MX) > > > > *From: *Rosemarie Capodicci > *Sent: *Friday, March 1, 2019 4:32 PM > *To: *azores@googlegroups.com > *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name patterns in genealogy programs > > > > Sam, > > I use Legacy but when I am in the "Given " name field, I write it as Maria > da Gloria de and then Sousa in the "Surname" Field. When it prints out it > comes out Maria da Gloria de Sousa all in a row. I would think that FTM > does the same? > > > > Rosemarie > > rcap...@gmail.com > > Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, > > Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 3:02 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy < > azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Hi all; I’ve been trying to see if I can follow Cheri’s procedure in my > familytreemaker program. That is First name/names followed by de/da/do and > surname only in surname field. So far, I only see one space for inputting > the name and it is for the full name. Am I missing something? Is there a > work around? > > > > Thanks all, > > > > Sam (Mazatlán, MX) > > > > > > [image: > https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif] > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient_term=icon> > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient_term=link> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name patterns in genealogy programs
I believe Rick is correct. I'm not a FTM user, but I don't think that program asks for Given Names and then Last Name. I think it just asks for Name and does the American thing of assuming the very last name is the surname. It doesn't work that way in all countries. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 4:07 PM Richard Francis Pimentel < richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com> wrote: > *That is the same method I use in TMG. Sorting and searching by last name > is much easier without the de’s, da’s, do’s, and dos’s, and of course it > prints out in the right order. In FTM the last time I used it you had to > use I think back-slashes at each end of the last name for example: Maria da > Gloria de \Sousa\. Then the program would treat Sousa as the last name * > > > > *Rick* > > *Richard Francis Pimentel* > > *Epping, NH* > > > > *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Rosemarie Capodicci > *Sent:* Friday, March 1, 2019 6:32 PM > *To:* azores@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name patterns in genealogy programs > > > > Sam, > > I use Legacy but when I am in the "Given " name field, I write it as Maria > da Gloria de and then Sousa in the "Surname" Field. When it prints out it > comes out Maria da Gloria de Sousa all in a row. I would think that FTM > does the same? > > > > Rosemarie > > rcap...@gmail.com > > Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, > > Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 3:02 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy < > azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Hi all; I’ve been trying to see if I can follow Cheri’s procedure in my > familytreemaker program. That is First name/names followed by de/da/do and > surname only in surname field. So far, I only see one space for inputting > the name and it is for the full name. Am I missing something? Is there a > work around? > > > > Thanks all, > > > > Sam (Mazatlán, MX) > > > > > > > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient_term=icon> > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient_term=link> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tarrabazana/Tarrabagna
OK Leonor. It's difficult to tell when someone "wonders out loud" in an email. We just have to pretty much take the writing at face value. I just didn't want you wandering down a path that may be false if what you wrote was taken at face value. Cheri Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 3:01 PM Leonor Bertoni wrote: > Cheri, I have learned not to make assumptions, lol. I was just wondering > out loud but until I have some sort of paper trail I will not have any > faith in my thoughts as they are just that, thoughts and wonderings. > > On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:55 PM Cheri Mello wrote: > >> If you are using the DNA ethnicity estimates to assume your grandfather >> was Spanish and from Taragona, that's a dangerous assumption. DNA ethnicity >> ESTIMATES are just that - ESTIMATES. They are kinda in the toddler stage of >> life. My dad, who is 50% Portuguese was classified as a good chunk of >> French for a very long time. He has 0% French (even on his "American" >> side). It's evolved; I think he's now classified as 38% Ibeiran now. >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 9:43 AM Leonor Bertoni >> wrote: >> >>> I do not! BUT it is safe to assume that it is my father’s father as I do >>> not know who he is. My paternal grandmother was a Lady of the night”, my >>> entire life I believed my paternal grandfather to be “incognito” as it says >>> on my birth certificate, but recently found my brother’s birth certificate >>> that shows the paternal grandfather’s name as João Afonso de Oliveira. I >>> don’t believe he was really my grandfather. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:33 PM Cheri Mello wrote: >>> >>>> If you are 26% Spanish, then you have one grandparent who is from >>>> Spain. You know who that grandparent is? >>>> >>>> Cheri Mello >>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila >>>> >>> >>> Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 9:19 AM Leonor Bertoni >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I do not have my immigrant yet, I just know that I’m 26% Spanish, this >>>>> could be from my dad’s side as he was from the mainland. I honestly don’t >>>>> know but it will be fun investigating! >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:01 PM Cheri Mello >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Z and S can sound the same in Portuguese. And it's a 5 syllable word. >>>>>> I'm wondering how "b" becomes "g" and a syllable gets dropped if your >>>>>> theory is correct. You have your immigrant ancestor from Spain to Lagoa >>>>>> and >>>>>> know he settled there? >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheri Mello >>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 6:41 AM Leonor Bertoni < >>>>>> leonor.bert...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Sorry, record No. 33, again. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 09:38, wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, there is now a new version of this name. In this record it >>>>>>>> looks like Tarrabasana. I am wondering if it is actually Tarragona, as >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> Tarragona, Spain. I am 26% Spanish. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881_item1/P20.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>&
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s"
Trindade is not her surname. It's part of her given name. Many women take a devotional name as their middle name. The 2nd time period (1860 or so - 1911 or so) the women didn't have surnames. So if they didn't have surnames, I don't force one. It didn't happen there and I"m not going to put my American way of research onto a Portuguese naming custom. Here's an article from the Azores GenWeb on Naming Practices: http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/research-aids-m---z/naming-practices-of-the.html Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 10:32 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy < azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Curious and hoping to learn, Cheri. Why do you leave the female surname > blank if it is given? (Trindade). I leave it blank unless one is listed > in the record but; put it in when it shows in the record.. > > > > Thanks , > > > > Sam (Mazatlán, MX) > > > > *From: *Cheri Mello > *Sent: *Friday, March 1, 2019 11:16 AM > *To: *Azores Genealogy > *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s" > > > > Yes, most of us now just use the modern spelling. It's a headache down the > road when you get a few thousand people. Say the marriage says Manoel da > Souza and Marianna da Trindade, I enter Manuel da Sousa and Mariana da > Trindade and I put in the marriage note field "married as Manoel da Souza > and Marianna da Trindade." > > > > De Da DoYeah, if we all used them, then the majority of Portuguese > names would begin with the letter D! The De Da Do is really a surname > prefix. In the above example I would enter the names like this: > > Given: Manuel da > > Surname: Sousa > > and for her: > > Given: Mariana da Trindade > > Surname: > > > > Her surname is left blank. I can search by first name in my fully featured > genealogy program, so it's not a problem at all. > > > > > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 10:07 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy < > azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > In your opinion, should I record all names with the “modern” spelling for > ease of searching or will that only cause more confusion down the line? > Also, I’m thinking of eliminating the “de”, “da”, “do” since it seems to > cause problems for my computer program, Familytree, when searching for > people with several surnames. Opinions? > > > > Sam (Mazatlán, MX) > > > > *From: *Leonor Bertoni > *Sent: *Friday, March 1, 2019 10:37 AM > *To: *azores@googlegroups.com > *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s" > > > > Funny enough, the other day my 23 year old daughter turned to her brother > and said “do you know what is the best thing about mãe doing all this > ancestry stuff? When we take over, we won’t have to deal with all this > frustration” I silently smirked knowing that for them, for now, ignorance > is bliss, but one day they will see what frustration really is! > > > > On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:32 PM Cheri Mello wrote: > > About 1910-1911 they changed the "z" to an "s" (although we have people > writing the records who weren't the best of spellers). There's been a more > recent change too, but that won't affect what we are researching. Let our > grandkids deal with that one! LOL > > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 9:25 AM Leonor Bertoni > wrote: > > I think the more modern spelling is with an “s” instead of “z”. I’ve seen > Joze, Thereza, Roza and even the parish church was Nossa Senhora do Rozario > where as today it is Nossa Senhora do Rosario. Interestingly enough, the > Spanish kept the “z”, Souza, Dominguez, etc. > > > > On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:08 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy < > azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Cheri; Speaking of “z” and “s” , I think I’ve seen Sousa and Souza along > with several other changes in spelling in the various records. Is it a > function of time frame, the particular priest or am I mis-remembering > this. I know Jacintha and Jacinta as well as Theresa and Teresa but; I > think I’ve also see Tereza. Am I wrong? > > > > Thanks for sharing your knowledge, > > > > Sam (Mazatlán, MX) > > >
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s"
Yes, most of us now just use the modern spelling. It's a headache down the road when you get a few thousand people. Say the marriage says Manoel da Souza and Marianna da Trindade, I enter Manuel da Sousa and Mariana da Trindade and I put in the marriage note field "married as Manoel da Souza and Marianna da Trindade." De Da DoYeah, if we all used them, then the majority of Portuguese names would begin with the letter D! The De Da Do is really a surname prefix. In the above example I would enter the names like this: Given: Manuel da Surname: Sousa and for her: Given: Mariana da Trindade Surname: Her surname is left blank. I can search by first name in my fully featured genealogy program, so it's not a problem at all. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 10:07 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy < azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: > In your opinion, should I record all names with the “modern” spelling for > ease of searching or will that only cause more confusion down the line? > Also, I’m thinking of eliminating the “de”, “da”, “do” since it seems to > cause problems for my computer program, Familytree, when searching for > people with several surnames. Opinions? > > > > Sam (Mazatlán, MX) > > > > *From: *Leonor Bertoni > *Sent: *Friday, March 1, 2019 10:37 AM > *To: *azores@googlegroups.com > *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s" > > > > Funny enough, the other day my 23 year old daughter turned to her brother > and said “do you know what is the best thing about mãe doing all this > ancestry stuff? When we take over, we won’t have to deal with all this > frustration” I silently smirked knowing that for them, for now, ignorance > is bliss, but one day they will see what frustration really is! > > > > On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:32 PM Cheri Mello wrote: > > About 1910-1911 they changed the "z" to an "s" (although we have people > writing the records who weren't the best of spellers). There's been a more > recent change too, but that won't affect what we are researching. Let our > grandkids deal with that one! LOL > > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 9:25 AM Leonor Bertoni > wrote: > > I think the more modern spelling is with an “s” instead of “z”. I’ve seen > Joze, Thereza, Roza and even the parish church was Nossa Senhora do Rozario > where as today it is Nossa Senhora do Rosario. Interestingly enough, the > Spanish kept the “z”, Souza, Dominguez, etc. > > > > On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:08 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy < > azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Cheri; Speaking of “z” and “s” , I think I’ve seen Sousa and Souza along > with several other changes in spelling in the various records. Is it a > function of time frame, the particular priest or am I mis-remembering > this. I know Jacintha and Jacinta as well as Theresa and Teresa but; I > think I’ve also see Tereza. Am I wrong? > > > > Thanks for sharing your knowledge, > > > > Sam (Mazatlán, MX) > > > > > > [image: > https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif] > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient_term=icon> > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient_term=link> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tarrabazana/Tarrabagna
If you are using the DNA ethnicity estimates to assume your grandfather was Spanish and from Taragona, that's a dangerous assumption. DNA ethnicity ESTIMATES are just that - ESTIMATES. They are kinda in the toddler stage of life. My dad, who is 50% Portuguese was classified as a good chunk of French for a very long time. He has 0% French (even on his "American" side). It's evolved; I think he's now classified as 38% Ibeiran now. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 9:43 AM Leonor Bertoni wrote: > I do not! BUT it is safe to assume that it is my father’s father as I do > not know who he is. My paternal grandmother was a Lady of the night”, my > entire life I believed my paternal grandfather to be “incognito” as it says > on my birth certificate, but recently found my brother’s birth certificate > that shows the paternal grandfather’s name as João Afonso de Oliveira. I > don’t believe he was really my grandfather. > > > On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:33 PM Cheri Mello wrote: > >> If you are 26% Spanish, then you have one grandparent who is from Spain. >> You know who that grandparent is? >> >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila >> > > Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 9:19 AM Leonor Bertoni >> wrote: >> >>> I do not have my immigrant yet, I just know that I’m 26% Spanish, this >>> could be from my dad’s side as he was from the mainland. I honestly don’t >>> know but it will be fun investigating! >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:01 PM Cheri Mello wrote: >>> >>>> Z and S can sound the same in Portuguese. And it's a 5 syllable word. >>>> I'm wondering how "b" becomes "g" and a syllable gets dropped if your >>>> theory is correct. You have your immigrant ancestor from Spain to Lagoa and >>>> know he settled there? >>>> >>>> Cheri Mello >>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 6:41 AM Leonor Bertoni >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Sorry, record No. 33, again. >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 09:38, wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> So, there is now a new version of this name. In this record it looks >>>>>> like Tarrabasana. I am wondering if it is actually Tarragona, as in >>>>>> Tarragona, Spain. I am 26% Spanish. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881_item1/P20.html >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tarrabazana/Tarrabagna
If you are 26% Spanish, then you have one grandparent who is from Spain. You know who that grandparent is? Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 9:19 AM Leonor Bertoni wrote: > I do not have my immigrant yet, I just know that I’m 26% Spanish, this > could be from my dad’s side as he was from the mainland. I honestly don’t > know but it will be fun investigating! > > On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:01 PM Cheri Mello wrote: > >> Z and S can sound the same in Portuguese. And it's a 5 syllable word. I'm >> wondering how "b" becomes "g" and a syllable gets dropped if your theory is >> correct. You have your immigrant ancestor from Spain to Lagoa and know he >> settled there? >> >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 6:41 AM Leonor Bertoni >> wrote: >> >>> Sorry, record No. 33, again. >>> >>> On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 09:38, wrote: >>> >>>> So, there is now a new version of this name. In this record it looks >>>> like Tarrabasana. I am wondering if it is actually Tarragona, as in >>>> Tarragona, Spain. I am 26% Spanish. >>>> >>>> >>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881_item1/P20.html >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s"
About 1910-1911 they changed the "z" to an "s" (although we have people writing the records who weren't the best of spellers). There's been a more recent change too, but that won't affect what we are researching. Let our grandkids deal with that one! LOL Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 9:25 AM Leonor Bertoni wrote: > I think the more modern spelling is with an “s” instead of “z”. I’ve seen > Joze, Thereza, Roza and even the parish church was Nossa Senhora do Rozario > where as today it is Nossa Senhora do Rosario. Interestingly enough, the > Spanish kept the “z”, Souza, Dominguez, etc. > > On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:08 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy < > azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> Cheri; Speaking of “z” and “s” , I think I’ve seen Sousa and Souza >> along with several other changes in spelling in the various records. Is it >> a function of time frame, the particular priest or am I mis-remembering >> this. I know Jacintha and Jacinta as well as Theresa and Teresa but; I >> think I’ve also see Tereza. Am I wrong? >> >> >> >> Thanks for sharing your knowledge, >> >> >> >> Sam (Mazatlán, MX) >> >> >> >> >> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient_term=icon> >> Virus-free. >> www.avast.com >> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient_term=link> >> >> <#m_-134977212048750775_m_8770794249288033938_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation?
It is record # 10. (Info in a separate thread and not attached to this thread). Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 9:01 AM Ray B wrote: > I went back to the website and found the record again for my great > grandfather's baptism. It is: > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-SANTOAMARO-B-1860-1869/SJR-VL-SANTOAMARO-B-1860-1869_item1/P13.html > > I hope someone can help with this translation his name was Domingos. > Father and mother were Tomas and Marianne. > > Thanks in advance, > > Ray B. (Dutra) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tarrabazana/Tarrabagna
Z and S can sound the same in Portuguese. And it's a 5 syllable word. I'm wondering how "b" becomes "g" and a syllable gets dropped if your theory is correct. You have your immigrant ancestor from Spain to Lagoa and know he settled there? Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 6:41 AM Leonor Bertoni wrote: > Sorry, record No. 33, again. > > On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 09:38, wrote: > >> So, there is now a new version of this name. In this record it looks like >> Tarrabasana. I am wondering if it is actually Tarragona, as in Tarragona, >> Spain. I am 26% Spanish. >> >> >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881_item1/P20.html >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] meaning of: contrecido por
CCA = Centro de *Conheci*mento dos Açores. Center of Knowledge of the Azores. Conhecer is to know and mento makes it an noun? I know Conhecimento means knowledge. So I picked up on your conhecido as being from that verb or root word. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 4:45 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy < azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Cheri; Thank you for clearing this up for me! “h” not “re” makes all the > difference! LOL! Makes much more sense! > > > > Sam (Mazatlán, MX) > > > > *From: *Cheri Mello > *Sent: *Thursday, February 28, 2019 5:07 PM > *To: *Azores Genealogy > *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] meaning of: contrecido por > > > > conhecido = known. So Manuel de Souza Tavares (also) known by Manuel de > Souza Falção. Basically the English "also known as." > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 3:58 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy < > azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Hello all, This is a new one on me. Nuber 26, Eugenia, bottom left page, > about half way down. It seems to be saying that the legitimate father is: > Manoel de Souza Tavares “contrecido por” (contested by?} Manoel de Souza > Falcaó. Say what? > > > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P124.html > > > > > Sam (Mazatlán, MX) > > > > > > [image: > https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif] > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient_term=icon> > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient_term=link> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] meaning of: contrecido por
conhecido = known. So Manuel de Souza Tavares (also) known by Manuel de Souza Falção. Basically the English "also known as." Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 3:58 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy < azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Hello all, This is a new one on me. Nuber 26, Eugenia, bottom left page, > about half way down. It seems to be saying that the legitimate father is: > Manoel de Souza Tavares “contrecido por” (contested by?} Manoel de Souza > Falcaó. Say what? > > > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P124.html > > > > > Sam (Mazatlán, MX) > > > > > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient_term=icon> > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient_term=link> > <#m_-5318309187010574883_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with maternal grandfather’s name
Go find this Manuel Pacheco "Tarrabazana" marriage and all his kids. See how the name gets spelled in all those records. It may be a misspelling or perhaps the priest was hard-of-hearing or the scribe couldn't read the notes and took a guess at Tarrabazana. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 8:57 AM Leonor Bertoni wrote: > The ENTIRE Internet has nothing on Tarrabagana or Tarrabazana, very > frustrating. > > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 11:53 AM Gustavo MARTINS > wrote: > >> I read the same: Tarrabazana, and I’ve never seen that name before. It >> doesn’t sound like a Portuguese name. Maybe Italian, Spanish??... >> >> > Em 28 de fev de 2019, à(s) 05:08, leonor.bert...@gmail.com escreveu: >> > >> > Hi! Record No. 33, maternal grandfather's name, I can make out Manoel >> Pacheco, but the last name looks like Tarrabazana, I have searched it on >> google but nothing comes up. Anyone? If it is Tarrabazana, does anyone know >> anything about this name? >> > >> > >> > >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1889-1897/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1889-1897_item1/P172.html >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joâo Borges and Anna da Cunha (early 17th century)
Which Lajes? There are a few different Lajes' in the Azores. Let us know the island. Thanks! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 8:18 AM Diego Santos wrote: > Dear Members, > > I come from Joâo Borges and Anna da Cunha through their son Miguel da > Cunha, married at Lajes in 1682 with Izabel Lucas. They had another son, > Antonio Mendes, married with Francisca Fernandes. They both many > descendants in Brazil, Uruguay and Argentina. > Any information about them would be very welcomed! > > Diego > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] A DNA Success Story
Endogamy isn't as simple as "cousins marrying." Many people completely misunderstand that explanation. They find that their John Smith marries his first cousin, Jane Jones, and they state "I have endogamy in my tree!" Uh, no they don't. They have a cousin marriage. Those of us who come from truly endogamous populations have to keep explaining this over and over. Endogamy is when a person has MANY ancestors marrying cousins, causing one to be related to various cousins in multiple ways. Any good, fully-featured genealogy program would show this for endogamy: [image: image.png] That's just ONE cousin example. I could pick another cousin (not the sibling, not her first cousin), but basically close my eyes and blindly pick another cousin and get something similar. A cousin marriage would have just shown the 4C1R and clicking the Progenitors button to locate the couple in my program would show they are first cousins. So I now state that it's being related to "multiple people in multiple ways." It seems to be a thing in genealogy now where people want to be something else. Many Americans try to claim Cherokee (as if there is no other tribe in America). And now with DNA, people are trying to claim endogamy. When Kalani Mondoy, the Hawaiian Polynesian DNA Admin, and I go to DNA meetings or man DNA education tables, we generally have to go over the difference between a "cousin marriage" and what really is endogamy. We wish people would quit using "cousin marriage" as the definition for endogamy. It's not a cousin marriage. As I mentioned, "robust tree" is how genetic genealogists refer to researching their family genealogy. It's the collateral lines and bringing them FORWARD. When I first got into genealogy in the early 90s, I took a class. We were taught that proper genealogy was to research your ancestral couple (name, date, place and birth, marriage, death), get ALL their kids (same pieces of information), and then get ALL the grandkids (same pieces of information). So basically come forward to the 1st cousin level from an ancestral couple. With DNA connecting us to more of our 2nd, 3rd, and beyond cousins, we are having to bring our trees a little further forward in time, trying to collect the great and even 2 greats of our ancestral couple. Coming forward in time with as many lines as you can is a robust tree. It's not the number lines or the amount of people. It's bringing as many of your lines forward in time as you can. Pedigree collapse is when you find you don't have to research a particular line because you have already researched it because it's being repeated due to cousins marrying. So you don't need to research it back in time. It's already done. Pedigree collapse is researching BACKWARDS. You're kinda morphing pedigree collapse into robust tree and confusing the terms :) Time to start a new thread! This one is completely off topic! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pico Index - Joao Vieira - Sao Roque
Gustavo, Everything regarding Azores genealogical research is on the Azores GenWeb. We try to make it a one-stop shop for our research needs: http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/ Bookmark or save that site. Point at the Maps, Databases, and pick your island. If you have a file you would like donated to the Azores GenWeb, contact the webmaster, Kathy Cardoza at kmacardoza at mac.com If you find a link to an index that would be a helpful finding aid, copy the URL and send it to Kathy as well. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 9:23 AM Gustavo MARTINS wrote: > Hello, Fawn! > > Where can I find this Pico Index? I have a lot of ancestors who come from > that Island. > Would you send me the file, if possible? > Thanks in advance. > > Gustavo Martins > Santa Catarina - Brasil > > > > > > Em 25 de fev de 2019, à(s) 00:34, Fawn Silva <2sil...@gmail.com> escreveu: > > I have a question abt an entry on the AZ Gen Web Pico Index. I appreciate > all the work that has been done in putting together these wonderful indexes > and how much time and effort they have saved me & so many others. Thank > you so much to all who have done this. > > My question is concerning Joao Vieira's daughter, Agueda's baptism > record. The Pico index has Joao's name as Joao Vieira do Rocio (e o Joao > Vieira Bezerra) for this baptism but when I went to the CCA to verify, > there is no mention of the e o Joao Vieira Bezerra in the document. > > I know that Joao Vieira's father's name is Antonio Vieira Bezerra from > Joao's marriage record and also that there is another Joao Vieira Bezerra > who is married to Margarida Pereira who is having children baptized during > this same time period. > > Just wondering abt this e o Joao name mentioned in the index. Thank you > for any thoughts on this. > > Fawn Silva > St. Louis, MO > > Third baptism down on left side > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-C-1593-1675/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-C-1593-1675_item1/P36.html > > > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=icon> > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=link> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pico Index - Joao Vieira - Sao Roque
Rocio is not in the surname section of James Guill's "A History of the Azores Islands." Which means it doesn't exist or he never encountered it in his research. You may need to collect all the siblings of Agueda to solve this one. Cheri Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 12:30 AM wrote: > I still think Agueda's baptism has the father as Joao Vieira "do Rocio" as > the indexer wrote. I am not the most knowledgeable on Portuguese > names--but "do Rocio" makes no sense to me and I can't think of what else > it might be. > > CITCEM has both of these Joao you reference as "Joao Vieira Bezerra". > > The one married to Apolonia Dias, born 25 Nov 1899 to parents Antonio > Vieira Bezerra and Barbara Manuel. > The other one married to Margarida Pereira, born 13 May 1607, to parents > Gonçalo Martins Vieira Bezerra and Merênciana Cerqueira > > Bill > > On Sunday, February 24, 2019 at 8:09:36 PM UTC-8, bsei...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> Fawn, >> >> The index you posted is for a baptism, but the record you posted is a >> marriage. Here is the baptism the index entry you posted references: >> >> >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-B-1622-1670/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-B-1622-1670_item1/P40.html >> >> >> I think the indexer transcribed exactly what it looks like, then >> attempted to clarify the identity with info that was not in the record >> (which the indexer rightfully put in parentheses) >> >> >> Bill Seidler >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sunday, February 24, 2019 at 7:34:34 PM UTC-8, 2si...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> I have a question abt an entry on the AZ Gen Web Pico Index. I >>> appreciate all the work that has been done in putting together these >>> wonderful indexes and how much time and effort they have saved me & so many >>> others. Thank you so much to all who have done this. >>> >>> My question is concerning Joao Vieira's daughter, Agueda's baptism >>> record. The Pico index has Joao's name as Joao Vieira do Rocio (e o Joao >>> Vieira Bezerra) for this baptism but when I went to the CCA to verify, >>> there is no mention of the e o Joao Vieira Bezerra in the document. >>> >>> I know that Joao Vieira's father's name is Antonio Vieira Bezerra from >>> Joao's marriage record and also that there is another Joao Vieira Bezerra >>> who is married to Margarida Pereira who is having children baptized during >>> this same time period. >>> >>> Just wondering abt this e o Joao name mentioned in the index. Thank you >>> for any thoughts on this. >>> >>> Fawn Silva >>> St. Louis, MO >>> >>> Third baptism down on left side >>> >>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-C-1593-1675/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-C-1593-1675_item1/P36.html >>> >>> >>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=icon> >>> Virus-free. >>> www.avast.com >>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=link> >>> <#m_6861094456356665861_a6e26023-25ef-4fa3-816d-ff1a296c755d@googlegroups.com_CAKTtVed8f7JRJ9rcidD8=FL-2jBOu_dObPA7NU9z7puAXZLjSQ@mail.gmail.com_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family of Francisco da Souza and Iria de Mello
Fernando, Thanks for the chart. I will print it out and figure out which Bartholomeu that I've merged to goof it all up. Glad you are straightening me out. Cheri Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 12:44 PM wrote: > Ok here is what I have for Bartholomeu > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family of Francisco da Souza and Iria de Mello
Shirley A, Francisco & Iria marry in 1708 and have Marianna in 1723. That's 15 years after marriage. Not sure that I follow you. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 2:10 PM Shirley Allegre wrote: > That would put them married 47 years. WOW > Shirley in CA > - Original Message - > From: > To: "Azores Genealogy" > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2019 7:05 PM > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family of Francisco da Souza and Iria de > Mello > > > I found Marianna’s birth record. She was born on 7 Apr 1725. I just didn’t > go back far enough so a big thanks for her parents marriage record. The > records for Francisco and Iria births are not available. So I went on to > Bartholomeu Barbosa and Maria Sousa and I found one record so far for > their > marriage: 30 Mar 1678. Does anyone have another record? In the meantime > I’ll > keep searching. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help Jose Rodrigues Coelho obit 1815AltaresTerceria
Doreen, On list-servs (aka mailing lists, such as this one). you can put in a request and I can remove the post. Cheri Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 10:51 AM wrote: > Philippe, I will contact you privately. In case I have made an error I do > not want to propagate it through a social media outlet. Can not pull back > the info once it is out there even if it is wrong. I’m in the middle of > partitioning some farmland and doing taxes so I will get it to you as I can > . > > Doreen > > > > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *Philippe GARNIER > *Sent: *Sunday, February 24, 2019 8:33 AM > *To: *azores@googlegroups.com > *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help Jose Rodrigues Coelho obit > 1815AltaresTerceria > > > > 8th febreuary 1815, 75 years, make will. > > > > Philippe Garnier > > Paris - France > > > http://philippegarnier112.wixsite.com/familiasilhaterceira/copie-de-familias-da-ilha-terceira > > > > Le dim. 24 févr. 2019 à 01:49, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy < > azores@googlegroups.com> a écrit : > > Doreen; I would love to see the info. you have on this line. It “may” > intersect with my Coelho’s. > > > > Sam (Mazatlán, MX) > > > > *From: *doreencaet...@gmail.com > *Sent: *Saturday, February 23, 2019 11:15 AM > *To: *azores@googlegroups.com > *Subject: *RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help Jose Rodrigues Coelho obit 1815 > AltaresTerceria > > > > Sandra, Are you still interested in getting info on this person? I have > several of their children as well as several generations back. > > Doreen > > > > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *Sandra Valine Dauer > *Sent: *Saturday, February 16, 2019 2:03 PM > *To: *azores@googlegroups.com > *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Help Jose Rodrigues Coelho obit 1815 > AltaresTerceria > > > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-O-1814-1840/TER-AH-ALTARES-O-1814-1840_item1/P6.html > > 3rd record on the right please confirm death date: 8th or 18th, age 70? > or Burial? Will? Thank you > > > > > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=icon> > > Virus-free. *www.avast.com* > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=icon> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to *azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com*. > Visit this group at *https://groups.google.com/group/azores*. > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=icon> > > > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=icon> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to *azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com*. > Visit this group at *https://groups.google.com/group/azores*. > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=icon> > > > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=icon> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to *azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com*. > Visit this group at *https://groups.google.com/group/azores*. > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=icon> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to *azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com*. > Visit this group at *https://groups.google.com/group/azores*. > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=icon> > > > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=icon> &g
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] A question about following the correct lineage
Mary B, They could be related. Or what was considered a wealthy family. If anything happened to the parents, they knew that the godparents would be financially able to take care of them. Or sometimes it was a prominent family that they had an affiliation with. So many scenarios to chose from. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 9:59 AM Mary Bordi wrote: > I’m having the same problem with the Joao Bernardo da Silvas in Norte > Grande, Sao Jorge. Several of the Joaos married Marias and had their own > Joao Bernardos. In trying to connect with Ancestry DNA matches with these > names in their trees I have come to the conclusion that there was more than > one Joao Bernardo da Silva family. And they were probably related. > > I neglected to put the direct links to the archive documents in my tree so > now I need to go back and look up all the documents by date. > > And on the godparent subject...one couple in my Rosais Sequeira family > used the same couple for godparents for all their children. And to me that > brings up the question of why...might there have been a family > relationship? More research needed! > > I need more time! > > Mary > > On Sunday, February 24, 2019, Cheri Mello wrote: > >> Sam, >> >> Yes, you kinda have to go with an educated guess. Then try to prove it >> with DNA. >> >> I come from a Miguel Correia in the Sao Miguel Arcanjo in Vila Franca. >> Son of Manuel Correia married to a Maria de Souza in the very early 1700s. >> I found Miguel's baptism and then I went about finding his siblings. It >> takes 9 months to make a baby. Miguel was born May 8 of 1709. OK, go back >> to July of 1708. So I started scrolling the mircofilm (this was B.C. - >> Before Computers). So I landed in July and scrolled back in time until I >> found another baby. Let's say the baby was born in December 1707 to make >> this example easy to follow. OK December (12) minus 9 months = March. >> Scroll, scroll, scoll. This is a Matriz and it's large. Stop and see if I'm >> in March. Nope, I'm in July and low and behold, Manuel Correia and Maria de >> Sousa are having a baby. There's no way a couple can have a baby in July >> and then present a baby in December for baptism. So I went back looking at >> every single record for ALL babies born to ANY Manuel Correia and Maria de >> Sousa. I took took them all home (the printed copies - this was B.C >> remember). The couple of times that the babies were born too close >> together, I knew it belonged to the other family. Then I looked at the >> godparents. One set of godparents seemed to appear over and over again. So >> I sorted the families based on godparents. Then I checked the births and it >> fits. So one Manuel Correia family has one set of godparents for their kids >> and the other Manuel Correia family has the mishmash godparents. Am I >> right? I have no idea. It's kinda of an educated guess. Because it's the >> very early 1700s, it's a little too far back for autosomal (Family Finder >> DNA). My dad's DNA should go back to about the 1730s and this line is about >> 25 years before that. So I'd have to find a male Correia and Y-DNA test >> them and then find a male Correia from the other Manuel and Y-DNA test and >> hope they aren't 1st cousins or something. And if they are? I may be back >> to my educated guess. >> >> When I have some time, I really should work this line more forwards and >> look for ALL siblings of both Manuel Correias and Maria de Sousas. And >> cross check for godparents. >> >> So long story short - if the records are old you are stuck with an >> educated guess. If the records are 1800s, DNA could possibly answer the >> question for you. >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 8:41 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy < >> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >>> Ok, this question is complicated to ask, let alone to figure out the >>> answer but; here goes… With so many people of the same name marrying so >>> many people of the same name *and* with the priests sometimes writing >>> Francisco Tavares Monteiro and sometime Francisco Monteiro Tavares, s*ome >>> periods of time and some* *records* listing the grandparents and *some >>> not*; how the heck is one *ever sure* of following the correct/same >
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] A question about following the correct lineage
Sam, Yes, you kinda have to go with an educated guess. Then try to prove it with DNA. I come from a Miguel Correia in the Sao Miguel Arcanjo in Vila Franca. Son of Manuel Correia married to a Maria de Souza in the very early 1700s. I found Miguel's baptism and then I went about finding his siblings. It takes 9 months to make a baby. Miguel was born May 8 of 1709. OK, go back to July of 1708. So I started scrolling the mircofilm (this was B.C. - Before Computers). So I landed in July and scrolled back in time until I found another baby. Let's say the baby was born in December 1707 to make this example easy to follow. OK December (12) minus 9 months = March. Scroll, scroll, scoll. This is a Matriz and it's large. Stop and see if I'm in March. Nope, I'm in July and low and behold, Manuel Correia and Maria de Sousa are having a baby. There's no way a couple can have a baby in July and then present a baby in December for baptism. So I went back looking at every single record for ALL babies born to ANY Manuel Correia and Maria de Sousa. I took took them all home (the printed copies - this was B.C remember). The couple of times that the babies were born too close together, I knew it belonged to the other family. Then I looked at the godparents. One set of godparents seemed to appear over and over again. So I sorted the families based on godparents. Then I checked the births and it fits. So one Manuel Correia family has one set of godparents for their kids and the other Manuel Correia family has the mishmash godparents. Am I right? I have no idea. It's kinda of an educated guess. Because it's the very early 1700s, it's a little too far back for autosomal (Family Finder DNA). My dad's DNA should go back to about the 1730s and this line is about 25 years before that. So I'd have to find a male Correia and Y-DNA test them and then find a male Correia from the other Manuel and Y-DNA test and hope they aren't 1st cousins or something. And if they are? I may be back to my educated guess. When I have some time, I really should work this line more forwards and look for ALL siblings of both Manuel Correias and Maria de Sousas. And cross check for godparents. So long story short - if the records are old you are stuck with an educated guess. If the records are 1800s, DNA could possibly answer the question for you. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 8:41 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy < azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Ok, this question is complicated to ask, let alone to figure out the > answer but; here goes… With so many people of the same name marrying so > many people of the same name *and* with the priests sometimes writing > Francisco Tavares Monteiro and sometime Francisco Monteiro Tavares, s*ome > periods of time and some* *records* listing the grandparents and *some > not*; how the heck is one *ever sure* of following the correct/same > line? Is it all just an educated guess? > > > > Thanks for your thoughts and expertise. > > > > Sam (Mazatlán, MX) > > > > > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient_term=icon> > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient_term=link> > <#m_7566595363435123336_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family of Francisco da Souza and Iria de Mello
Yes, Bartolomeu Barbosa & Maria de Sousa married 30 Mar 1678, but I have a Francisco b. 18 Feb 1663 (Bartholomeu would be 5 which is impossible). I've merged the wrong people together or I have made a really big typo on the year. On Maria de Sousa, I have her as both Maria de Sousa and Maria de Sousa Lima with a note saying Canto has her as Maria de Lima. This is the screwed up work that I have, but it's gotta be wrong. I think part of this came from Rodrigo Rodrigues' work as well. [image: image.png] [image: image.png] [image: image.png] Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 7:40 PM wrote: > I found Marianna’s birth record. She was born on 7 Apr 1725. I just didn’t > go back far enough so a big thanks for her parents marriage record. The > records for Francisco and Iria births are not available. So I went on to > Bartholomeu Barbosa and Maria Sousa and I found one record so far for their > marriage: 30 Mar 1678. Does anyone have another record? In the meantime > I’ll keep searching. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family of Francisco da Souza and Iria de Mello
There could very well be 2 Bartolomeu Barbosas and 2 Maria de Sousas. My merging problem goes back to the 90s when I first attempted to merge Shirley's database into mine. I was new at doing it and I merged it about 4 times. So here I am 20 some years later, still cleaning up the problem. Ugh! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 11:24 AM wrote: > Ok I’ll look into that. Perhaps there are two Bartolomeu Barbosa and Maria > de Sousa marriage records during that time? One Barbosa and one pedreiro. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family of Francisco da Souza and Iria de Mello
I have a merge error in my database. Too many of these guys floating around. That's what I get for having Souza, Sousa. I'm still working on standardizing names. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 11:08 AM JR wrote: > I think it help if you gather some baptisms for both Francisco's to > ensure that a mistake was not made. It will help resolve any ambiguity, one > way or the other. > > JR > > On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 1:59:23 PM UTC-5, JR wrote: >> >> I just checked my files and rechecked the original records and found >> there are two Francisco de Sousa's, both recorded with same parental names; >> that is Bartolomeu Barbosa pedreiro and Maria de Sousa. So perhaps an error >> exists somewhere. >> >> Francisco de Sousa Vieira cc Iria de Melo, June 17- 1708 >> >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743_item1/P34.html >> >> This marriage makes no reference to 'pedreiros'; and I can't find a trace >> of Vieira in the lineage of Bartolomeu Barbosa (pedreiro) and Maria de Sousa >> >> Francisco Barbosa cc Maria Ferreira de Lima, April 27- 1704. >> >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705_item1/P143.html >> >> It is interesting that this marriage references, the fathers on both >> sides as being pedreiros, and that makes sense because they come from a >> line of pedreiros. >> >> JR >> >> On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 1:02:17 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: >>> >>> I called Shirley. She'll call me back after breakfast. >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 10:00 AM wrote: >>> >>>> That’s great! Thanks for the marriage record. I agree the key is Iria >>>> as it’s not a very common name. I will search for Marianna’s with a >>>> Francisco regardless of last name and Iria. Yes, please let me know if you >>>> have this lineage in your tree, that would be awesome. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>> >>> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family of Francisco da Souza and Iria de Mello
OK, Shirley has nothing further on your Francisco Whomever and Iria de Mello. However, there are lots of Vila Franca researchers on the list, so give them some time to take a look. Cheri Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 10:01 AM Cheri Mello wrote: > I called Shirley. She'll call me back after breakfast. > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > > On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 10:00 AM wrote: > >> That’s great! Thanks for the marriage record. I agree the key is Iria as >> it’s not a very common name. I will search for Marianna’s with a Francisco >> regardless of last name and Iria. Yes, please let me know if you have this >> lineage in your tree, that would be awesome. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family of Francisco da Souza and Iria de Mello
I called Shirley. She'll call me back after breakfast. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 10:00 AM wrote: > That’s great! Thanks for the marriage record. I agree the key is Iria as > it’s not a very common name. I will search for Marianna’s with a Francisco > regardless of last name and Iria. Yes, please let me know if you have this > lineage in your tree, that would be awesome. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family of Francisco da Souza and Iria de Mello
Hi Fernando, I think you are looking for Marianna under the wrong name. Francisco marries under the name of Francisco de Souza Vieira (top right): http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743_item1/P34.html I descend from Francisco's brother (I think. I've got a merging problem). And Iria was a typo in my computer (which I fixed). Try looking again for your Marianna with a father of Francisco Vieira or Francisco Vieira Sousa or Francisco Sousa Vieira. Or better yet, a Marianna born to a Francisco Anybody with an Iria (those "I"s can look weird). Maybe he used Francisco Barboza at Marianna's baptism. I would think the key would be Iria. I'm going to call my cousin Shirley Allegre and tell her to log in and read your post. Who knows if she has more on your family. Cheri Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 8:00 AM wrote: > I’m searching for information on Francisco da Souza and Iria de Mello and > their daughter Marianna do Corpo Santo de Mello. Marianna married Joao da > Costa on May 18, 1755 in Vila Franca, Sao Miguel (Matriz). On her marriage > records it says she is from (or baptized in?) Matriz, but I can’t find her > birth record. Her husband Joao was born in 1735, so I was loooking around > that date. I also searched for the marriage record of Francisco and Iria > but no luck (in Matriz, but without Marianna’s birth record I can’t assume > the parents were married there). If anyone has any information I would > appreciate it. > Thanks Fernando > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Record Help
Fernando P, Start a new post with a new subject line. Right now, only people who are willing to translate are reading your post. You want people researching in the Sao Miguel Arcanjo church of Vila Franca to read your post. I suggest something like: Family of Francisco da Souza and Iria de Mello from Vila Franca, early 1700s. Post what you have on the family and that you are after Marianna's birth. Someone may have it. Cheri Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 11:27 AM wrote: > Thanks for checking. I looked for her birth record in Matriz but couldn’t > find it so I thought maybe there was more info in the marriage record. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Record Help
Both records refer to a Marianna. Can you please specify the right or the left? Cheri Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 4:58 PM wrote: > I’m trying to find Marianna’s place of birth. I think it’s Matriz, but not > 100% sure. Can someone transcribe the last part of this record that has her > parents and church. > Thanks Fernando > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1743-1763/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1743-1763_item1/P106.html > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] The difference between Y-DNA and mtDNA mutations
(Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and Island Routes lists) A project member had a question about mutations or differences and genetic distance on Y and mtDNA. Basically the question had to do with how Y-DNA mutates versus mtDNA. Here's my analogy (complete with a Sao Miguel slant): You have a green banana and a green pineapple. In a couple of days, your banana is turning yellow. Give it a couple of more days, and it will start to freckle. That pineapple though? It's still green. It needs more like a couple of weeks for it to start to ripen. Y-DNA is the banana ripening. It ripens relatively quickly compared to the pineapple. Y-DNA has mutations that happen on a more frequent basis. Some might happen only in a couple of hundred of years. MtDNA is the pineapple ripening. It takes a looong time for it to ripen. The mtDNA mutations happen much, much less frequently. They mutate more on a period of every couple of THOUSANDS of years. So to have a perfect match on mtDNA and not find the common ancestor would not be unusual. It mutates so slowly. It makes it more difficult to find matches. People want instant gratification so they don't test mtDNA. Therefore, the mtDNA portion of most of the Azores and Madeira DNA Projects is more in a census or survey mode. There's been a few mtDNA matches, but they have been on smaller Azorean islands. We are still working on building this up. As more and more people test, we will be able to figure out about half of our mtDNA matches - due to their nature of mutating so slowly. The other half may be so far back (thousands of years) that we may not be able to find it with the paper trail. Hope this analogy helps! Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with John Manteiga
I don't know where Bates College is. It's not in California. If he was a freshman in 1954, he'd be born 1936, give or take a year. Building off of Bill's work, there's a John Manteiga b. 24 June 1936 and died 22 July 2005 in North Attleboro, Massachusetts. His father was Antonio S. Manteiga and his mother was Mary Cabral. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 7:03 PM Leonor Bertoni wrote: > Hi, > Bates College in America (Sorry). I do not know when he was born, I think > he attended Bates College from 1954 to maybe 1956, I think he was a > freshman in '54. He was born in the US. In Canada you can start college at > about 18, not sure what the US is like. > > On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 at 21:59, Cheri Mello wrote: > >> Bates College where? America? Canada? Maybe England? Approximately when >> was this John Manteiga born and where (if you know it)? >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 6:39 PM wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> I connected with a distant cousin who has been telling me some family >>> stories. I have been able to confirm these stories with Portuguese >>> newspaper articles. However, she said she thought we had a cousin by the >>> name of John Manteiga who played college basketball (this was a story her >>> mom told her). Today, I did a couple of searches and did find a John >>> Manteiga that played basketball when he attended Bates College in 1953, I >>> even found that he was married to a Jane Willard. For the life of me, I >>> cannot find anything else on him. Do any of you know or have any >>> suggestions on how I can find out his "bio", I would like to know his >>> parents's names to see if he is the son of the John Manteiga in my tree. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with John Manteiga
Bates College where? America? Canada? Maybe England? Approximately when was this John Manteiga born and where (if you know it)? Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 6:39 PM wrote: > Hello, > I connected with a distant cousin who has been telling me some family > stories. I have been able to confirm these stories with Portuguese > newspaper articles. However, she said she thought we had a cousin by the > name of John Manteiga who played college basketball (this was a story her > mom told her). Today, I did a couple of searches and did find a John > Manteiga that played basketball when he attended Bates College in 1953, I > even found that he was married to a Jane Willard. For the life of me, I > cannot find anything else on him. Do any of you know or have any > suggestions on how I can find out his "bio", I would like to know his > parents's names to see if he is the son of the John Manteiga in my tree. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help 1640 marriage Domingos Goncalves e Catharina Rodrigues Altares Terceira
On the 14 day of FEBRUARY 1640, the church guy is Domingos Martins Franco, then Domingo Goncalves son of your Pedro Ennes and Barbara Dias, ja defuntOS (both deceased). You got the rest right. The last witness was Francisco de Andrade da Serra. Cheri Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 5:43 PM Sandra Valine Dauer wrote: > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-PV-LAJES-C-1635-1661/TER-PV-LAJES-C-1635-1661_item1/P15.html > Request full review and corrections to my rough translation Thank you > Sandra Valine Dauer > On the 14 day of January 1640..? Domingos Martins Franco..? (HE) Domingos > Goncalves son of Pedro Ennes e Barbara Diaz or Dias, deceased with (SHE) > Catharina Rodrigues daughter of de Diego Goncalves and his wife Marianna > Rodrigues living and from Sao Pedro dos Biscoitos do Ponto da Cruz (is this > the old way writing the village of Biscoitos ?) Sao Pedro is the parish > church Testaments present Joao Dias, Martinho da Costa, Francisco > d'Andrada da ?Terra?. All from this village as written here > Signed Agostinho Paim da ?Carreira? > Thank you > > > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=icon> > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=link> > <#m_2194436807674868574_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with side note: Manoel, s of Jose Joaquimde Moura and Jacintha Umbelina, Santa Maria
Here it is. You can also check the web board/forum/ archives too: <> Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 8:48 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy < azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Bill; Thank you for this information. I never received an email from > Cheri about this one. I checked my spam folder but; it’s not in there > either. If you still have Cheri’s email can you please forward it to me? > I would love to have the names that Cheri provided. > > > > Cheri if you still have that information handy, I would really appreciate > it if you could resend it. > > > > Many thanks to both of you, > > > > Sam (Mazatlán, MX) > > > > *From: *bsei2...@gmail.com > *Sent: *Saturday, February 16, 2019 8:17 PM > *To: *Azores Genealogy > *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with side note: Manoel, s of Jose > Joaquimde Moura and Jacintha Umbelina, Santa Maria > > > > I once again give my vote of confidence to Cheri. > > > > I see that he married on 27 April 1928 and agree that she was 27 years old > and with all the names Cheri provided. > > > > It seems that his missed attempts to cross Ts results in dotted vowels > after the Ts (see vinTE seTE, mil nove cenTOS, vinTE oiTO, and then again > in her age vinTE seTE annos) > > > > Bill Seidler > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > > > > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient_term=icon> > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient_term=link> > <#m_-4544495458993983688_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help Jose Rodrigues Coelho obit 1815 Altares Terceria
Leonor, I hope you got your husband's 97-year-old grandma's DNA! Her DNA can get you back to about the 1720s! (About 200 years before her birth). If she can't make saliva (many older people cannot), use Family Tree DNA or My Heritage DNA. Both use a giant Q-tip swab that you rub inside the cheek. Even if you don't know how to use the DNA with your paper trail genealogy, trust me, you will want it. Cheri Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 8:29 AM Leonor Bertoni wrote: > Gustavo, my brother did mention that there was a new change but I couldn't > remember when it was that he said it happened. > Cheri, thank you. My biggest fear is that one day when I am old, I will > forget all my English words and only be able to communicate in Portuguese, > but nobody will understand me, lol. I'm actually only half kidding. This > happened to my husband's grandmother, she's 97. When I first met her, I > could communicate with her, but now not I or my husband can speak to her > because she no longer remembers her English (she's Italian). > > > On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 at 10:38, Gustavo Martins > wrote: > >> Leonor, actually there is a new change. But I totally agree that the most >> important thing is to get to understand each other, just like me trying to >> communicate in English! lol! >> >> Cheri, I admire your interest for our language. I’m sure you’re gonna >> make it! >> >> >> For those interested, you can find some info on this page (in Portuguese): >> >> http://www.brasil.gov.br/noticias/educacao-e-ciencia/2014/12/acordo-ortografico-so-entrara-em-vigor-em-2016?TSPD_101_R0=0a7749661c6935f1e8127aebd73ac6b0j3891d79cb15c69535c00bc836a6108282a9212ab20005644430efad0f9845f51c7032110bc31b05d7e8bbf2e72b8d45d5782b9956ddb0838e786020a28000424388df9aedb4661d27ab35bb4e83fbde1d5aac9baa39568045d4887844f5d5045637b571f886e >> >> Envoyé de mon iPhone >> >> Le 16 févr. 2019 à 23:03, Leonor Bertoni a >> écrit : >> >> The Portuguese language has changed over the years. The last change was >> in 1990 (I think), threw me for a loop, I still revert to writing the words >> the way I learned, I never know which way is right sometimes, I figure as >> long as they understand what I'm saying, we're good, lol. >> >> On Sat, 16 Feb 2019 at 20:07, Cheri Mello wrote: >> >>> I'm learning future tense. We haven't got to past tense yet. Although I >>> do have a vague idea from taking Spanish in high school. >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 5:06 PM Gustavo MARTINS >>> wrote: >>> >>>> exactly! In the past form (like made) >>>> >>>> Em 16 de fev de 2019, à(s) 21:43, Cheri Mello >>>> escreveu: >>>> >>>> I know the translation is something like "to make a will" and has to do >>>> with the verb "fazer," I believe. >>>> Cheri Mello >>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 3:40 PM Gustavo Martins >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> As a native speaker I read: “Fes testamento”, which is an orthography >>>>> mistake, commonly seen. The correct way would be “fez testamento” >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Gustavo Martins >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Envoyé de mon iPhone >>>>> >>>>> Le 16 févr. 2019 à 20:33, Cheri Mello a écrit : >>>>> >>>>> Typically, the death records state if they was a will or not (in the >>>>> 2nd and 3rd time periods). So we have to do with what happened >>>>> historically >>>>> in the Azores, not what is happening right now in our lifetimes. >>>>> >>>>> This looks like "foi testamento" to me (for there "was a will.") >>>>> [image: image.png] >>>>> Cheri Mello >>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>>>>
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Vitorino Medeiros/Monica deJesus Rosario, Lagoa, Sao Miguel
It's the Arquivos site. The archive in Ponta Delgada said it was like a card catalog for all the islands. I don't think so. It does have Sao Miguel island stuff though: http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/ Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 7:22 PM JR wrote: > Leonor, since you made reference to a possible inheritance, there is a > section on the Azores site that allows one to research names regarding > property and inventories. But the site address escapes me now. Perhaps > someone who knows can post the address. > > JR > > On Thursday, February 14, 2019 at 12:52:25 PM UTC-5, Mara wrote: >> >> Sorry, didn’t read that detail, which speaks for itself. If the priest >> wrote it in the record that saves you having to search any further. The >> accuracy I was referring to was with regard to variations in the >> Grandparents names of the baptized. >> >> >> >> Yes, to my knowledge the Roda Publica was set up in the City Halls, thus >> “public”. Initially they were left at door steps and churches. A few >> convents had Roda’s but as the Church was overwhelmed the City took over. >> Books were created and each child was given a number. You will find >> examples of this in Sao Sebastiao, Matriz, Ponta Delgada, birth records, >> expostos. >> >> >> >> >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1874-1874/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1874-1874_item1/P4.html >> >> >> >> Sorry, can’t comment on family lure, which usually held some truth but if >> the records do not state the child was claimed then the mother would not >> have been able to take it back without the proper authorization. Which >> would then be appended to the child’s birth record. >> >> >> >> To answer you questions ‘would the Camara have any records of this >> abandoned child at someone’s door step” - the answer is dependent of >> the time period as noted above. >> >> >> >> Regarding name changes; I have seen records where the same exposto >> started off as ‘ da Camara ‘ to Camara Costa, to Costa Camara, to >> Carvalho. This to me shows the personal difficulty of this individual had >> in identifying with his own given/adopted surname. >> >> >> >> There was no official document that could firm up surnames as the Church >> only kept first name basis records. Surnames at certain points were up to >> the families or individuals to take them on. When Civil registry took over >> late 18th Century then the rules changed and every born child was >> registered with a full name and surname [s]. >> >> >> >> Hope this helps, >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Margaret >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From: *Leonor Bertoni >> *Sent: *February 14, 2019 11:59 AM >> *To: *azo...@googlegroups.com >> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Vitorino Medeiros/Monica >> deJesus Rosario, Lagoa, Sao Miguel >> >> >> >> That's awesome! Thank you very much. I do not think that Monica had any >> type of identification as the baptismal record says "sem traser signal >> algum" but, as you said, it may not be accurate. For future reference, when >> they say "roda publica nesta freguesia", was the roda in the Camara? >> >> >> >> One more question, my aunt's husband was also abandoned but he was left >> on a wet nurse's doorstep. The story is that he, Carlos, was the son of a >> rich man whom his his mom worked for. It is said that later she went and >> took him back (when he was 2). I found Carlos' baptismal record and >> marriage record where it shows his last name, which we assume is his >> mother's name. However, later on it is said that Carlos' real father passed >> away and his children found Carlos to give him some inheritance. At that >> point, he changed his last name to match his father's. As we know, stories >> change and grow. Would the Camara have any records of this abandoned child >> since he was left at someone's doorstep? For any legal name change, he >> would also have to go through the Camara, correct? I am also aware that he >> may have just changed his name on his children's records as they were being >> registered. >> >> >> >> Thank you in advance. >> >> >> >> Leonor >> >> >> >> On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 at 11:12, Margaret Vicente >> wrote: >&g
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with side note: Manoel, s of Jose Joaquim de Moura and Jacintha Umbelina, Santa Maria
He married on the 20 something of April 1000 900 20 and 1?? with Maria Soares de Moura, she's 27 (I think), she's a native of Santa Barbara, daughter of Jose Figuerido and Maria de Moura. The note was made 27 April 1928, so I would think that they married in 1928, not 1921. Hopefully someone else can get more out of it. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 5:48 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy < azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Hi all; Once again, I can read the body but; no clue as to what the side > note is saying. I can see a couple of names in there but; can’t figure out > what they are referring to. > > > > Left page side note. > > > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P33.html > > > > Thanks for your help, > > > > Sam (Mazatlán, MX) > > > > > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient_term=icon> > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient_term=link> > <#m_-4550395548079642500_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help Jose Rodrigues Coelho obit 1815 Altares Terceria
I'm learning future tense. We haven't got to past tense yet. Although I do have a vague idea from taking Spanish in high school. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 5:06 PM Gustavo MARTINS wrote: > exactly! In the past form (like made) > > Em 16 de fev de 2019, à(s) 21:43, Cheri Mello > escreveu: > > I know the translation is something like "to make a will" and has to do > with the verb "fazer," I believe. > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > > On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 3:40 PM Gustavo Martins > wrote: > >> As a native speaker I read: “Fes testamento”, which is an orthography >> mistake, commonly seen. The correct way would be “fez testamento” >> >> >> Gustavo Martins >> >> >> >> >> >> Envoyé de mon iPhone >> >> Le 16 févr. 2019 à 20:33, Cheri Mello a écrit : >> >> Typically, the death records state if they was a will or not (in the 2nd >> and 3rd time periods). So we have to do with what happened historically in >> the Azores, not what is happening right now in our lifetimes. >> >> This looks like "foi testamento" to me (for there "was a will.") >> [image: image.png] >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> >> On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 2:19 PM Leonor Bertoni >> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> I see February 8, 1815. Jose Rodrigues Coelho was married to Benedita do >>> Esperito Santo. He was 75 years old, farmer (I think). I don't see anything >>> about a will and have never seen it in my searches but I haven't been doing >>> this very long. My personal experience growing up in Sao Miguel is that >>> there is not need for a will because the law says that whatever someone >>> owns, when s/he dies, is divided in half. Half goes to the wife and the >>> other half is divided between the kids, if any. Normally, nothing gets >>> distributed until the last person dies. >>> >>> On Sat, 16 Feb 2019 at 17:03, Sandra Valine Dauer >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-O-1814-1840/TER-AH-ALTARES-O-1814-1840_item1/P6.html >>>> 3rd record on the right please confirm death date: 8th or 18th, age >>>> 70? or Burial? Will? Thank you >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=icon> >>>> Virus-free. >>>> www.avast.com >>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=link> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help Jose Rodrigues Coelho obit 1815 Altares Terceria
I know the translation is something like "to make a will" and has to do with the verb "fazer," I believe. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 3:40 PM Gustavo Martins wrote: > As a native speaker I read: “Fes testamento”, which is an orthography > mistake, commonly seen. The correct way would be “fez testamento” > > > Gustavo Martins > > > > > > Envoyé de mon iPhone > > Le 16 févr. 2019 à 20:33, Cheri Mello a écrit : > > Typically, the death records state if they was a will or not (in the 2nd > and 3rd time periods). So we have to do with what happened historically in > the Azores, not what is happening right now in our lifetimes. > > This looks like "foi testamento" to me (for there "was a will.") > [image: image.png] > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > > On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 2:19 PM Leonor Bertoni > wrote: > >> Hi, >> I see February 8, 1815. Jose Rodrigues Coelho was married to Benedita do >> Esperito Santo. He was 75 years old, farmer (I think). I don't see anything >> about a will and have never seen it in my searches but I haven't been doing >> this very long. My personal experience growing up in Sao Miguel is that >> there is not need for a will because the law says that whatever someone >> owns, when s/he dies, is divided in half. Half goes to the wife and the >> other half is divided between the kids, if any. Normally, nothing gets >> distributed until the last person dies. >> >> On Sat, 16 Feb 2019 at 17:03, Sandra Valine Dauer >> wrote: >> >>> >>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-O-1814-1840/TER-AH-ALTARES-O-1814-1840_item1/P6.html >>> 3rd record on the right please confirm death date: 8th or 18th, age 70? >>> or Burial? Will? Thank you >>> >>> >>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=icon> >>> Virus-free. >>> www.avast.com >>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=link> >>> <#m_3966334921310967341_m_-1227230069603800862_m_-1962055066957025400_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help Jose Rodrigues Coelho obit 1815 Altares Terceria
Thanks, I see the "por" now and was so caught up into looking for the word "testamento" that I just transformed the word into "foi." You know how your brain plays tricks and makes you see what you want to see! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 2:54 PM Leonor Bertoni wrote: > I see Por testatmento foi sepultado, by his will he was buried (meaning it > was what he wanted). It looks like he died in Altares but wanted to be > buried in S. Roque where he was born. Sorry, I was speaking historically. > > On Sat, 16 Feb 2019 at 17:33, Cheri Mello wrote: > >> Typically, the death records state if they was a will or not (in the 2nd >> and 3rd time periods). So we have to do with what happened historically in >> the Azores, not what is happening right now in our lifetimes. >> >> This looks like "foi testamento" to me (for there "was a will.") >> [image: image.png] >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> >> On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 2:19 PM Leonor Bertoni >> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> I see February 8, 1815. Jose Rodrigues Coelho was married to Benedita do >>> Esperito Santo. He was 75 years old, farmer (I think). I don't see anything >>> about a will and have never seen it in my searches but I haven't been doing >>> this very long. My personal experience growing up in Sao Miguel is that >>> there is not need for a will because the law says that whatever someone >>> owns, when s/he dies, is divided in half. Half goes to the wife and the >>> other half is divided between the kids, if any. Normally, nothing gets >>> distributed until the last person dies. >>> >>> On Sat, 16 Feb 2019 at 17:03, Sandra Valine Dauer >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-O-1814-1840/TER-AH-ALTARES-O-1814-1840_item1/P6.html >>>> 3rd record on the right please confirm death date: 8th or 18th, age >>>> 70? or Burial? Will? Thank you >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=icon> >>>> Virus-free. >>>> www.avast.com >>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=link> >>>> <#m_8404003330600931566_m_-2035272067429125038_m_-1227230069603800862_m_-1962055066957025400_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
