Stus-List Using a hammer drill to remove corroded fastener
When I removed the spinnaker car T-track I had much the same problem. I started with a test to see if any of the fasteners ( 5/16 SS ) would come out by hand with a screwdriver, no such luck. The next step was getting a bit of penetrating oil to seep in, repeated applications over a few weeks. I noticed that the slot size and the screwdriver blade was not a good match, ended up visiting a few hardware stores until I could get a blade that needed a light tap to firmly fit into the screw. With two people, one person holding the screwdriver in and the second using a wrench to turn it, we tested the screws again. Nothing would budge. I used a high heat gun to warm up the screw and area, then a can of cold blast to chill just the screw to create some thermal shock and get some penetrating oil in. No success either. So I used a hand impact driver and three pound hammer to remove the 27 screws. Most were so tight that even when 5 - 6 full turns out they would not move with a screwdriver. I did also notice that none of the penetrating oil ever did get to were it would help. Ended up clamping a visegrip around the screws once they were far enough out and rotating that with two hands. Amazingly none broke. You mention adding a T-track for a whisker pole. At least on the 30-1 there is not much adjustment required in board for a whisker pole, normally goes out above the lifelines and level with the clew. You may get away with a simple ring. Using a spinnaker and pole does require adjustment. I found that T-track to be pretty stiff once the pole had loaded up so I switched it to a captive ball track. Mike Brown Windburn CC 30-1 Message: 1 Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2013 19:59:14 -0400 From: John Russo johnrussob...@optonline.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Using a hammer drill to remove corroded fastener Message-ID: 001b01ce90a5$75050570$5f0f1050$@optonline.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Pete, Stainless screw corrosion to aluminum mast is probably the culprit. Heat the screw with Napa torch until it is ret hot which breaks the corrosion then let it cool a bit and then hit with a impact wrench and proper bit. Generally will do it. John Arpeggio CC 32 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of kelly petew Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 10:14 AM To: cnc-list Subject: Stus-List Using a hammer drill to remove corroded fastener I want to add a T track slide to my mast for a whisker pole. The mast tracking is in place, but I can't break the bottom fastener, in order to install the T-Track. Likely, corrosion b/t the fastener and mast is the issue. Has anyone had any experience - good or bad - using a hammer drill to break the corrosion bond?? thanks. Pete W. CC30 MKII ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Where to put the solar vent 29-2
The PO put a large solar vent in the small opening hatch in the center of the cabin top. Works really well in this location but it blocks the hatch opening handle and you cannot open this hatch anymore. I want to move the vent to a location on the starboard side and behind the mast and just in front of the deck organizer. This would allow me to restore the hatch plastic and be able to open the hatch. This project is on the never ending to do list. Best regards, Bob Hickson, P. Eng, RHI, CEA CC 29-2 Flying Colours Frenchman's Bay Yacht Club Pickering, ON (416) 919-2297 bobhick...@rogers.com __/) -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com Sent: August-04-13 12:00 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: CnC-List Digest, Vol 91, Issue 10 Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to cnc-list@cnc-list.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com You can reach the person managing the list at cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of CnC-List digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Using a hammer drill to remove corroded fastener (John Russo) 2. Re: Jake (Josh Muckley) 3. Re: head replacement (Ron Kaye) 4. Re: where to put the solar fan (Chuck S) 5. Crow vent size (Curtis) 6. Re: where to put the solar fan (Edd Schillay) 7. Re: Crow vent size (Chuck S) 8. Using a hammer drill to remove corroded fastener (Kim Brown) 9. Re: where to put the solar fan (Steve Thomas) -- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2013 19:59:14 -0400 From: John Russo johnrussob...@optonline.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Using a hammer drill to remove corroded fastener Message-ID: 001b01ce90a5$75050570$5f0f1050$@optonline.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Pete, Stainless screw corrosion to aluminum mast is probably the culprit. Heat the screw with Napa torch until it is ret hot which breaks the corrosion then let it cool a bit and then hit with a impact wrench and proper bit. Generally will do it. John Arpeggio CC 32 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of kelly petew Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 10:14 AM To: cnc-list Subject: Stus-List Using a hammer drill to remove corroded fastener I want to add a T track slide to my mast for a whisker pole. The mast tracking is in place, but I can't break the bottom fastener, in order to install the T-Track. Likely, corrosion b/t the fastener and mast is the issue. Has anyone had any experience - good or bad - using a hammer drill to break the corrosion bond?? thanks. Pete W. CC30 MKII -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130803/d7 16d2a4/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 21:16:02 -0400 From: Josh Muckley muckl...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Jake Message-ID: ca+zacrb8lj3pkd06u9txjo3jebxpxbpgfqhfee_dztvsp11...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Nice aerial photos here: http://offshorepix.smugmug.com/search/?q=41231c=mediascope=albumscopevalu e=30687428_qcHJc2#i=0 Josh On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Jake Brodersen captain_j...@cox.netwrote: Gary, ** ** Spinsheet did mention that we were ?dressed for success?. It all came true. The admiral is very particular about looking good on the race course, no matter how we sail. ** ** Jake ** ** *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Gary Nylander *Sent:* Friday, August 02, 2013 9:52 AM *To:* CandC List *Subject:* Stus-List Jake ** ** There's a great picture of Jake and his crew gracing Midnight Mistress on page 8 of the new SpinSheet blurb. Nice shirts, Jake. Did you get the ''best dressed award along with your first in class? Gary ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- When security matters. http://www.secure-my-email.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130803/1b 007d34/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 23:33:03 -0400 From: Ron Kaye ronkaye...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List head replacement Message-ID:
Stus-List My 29 mk11 for sale
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Re: Stus-List Waste fitting stuck
Screwdriver or punch in a hole or slot as close to the perimeter as possible. Hit it with a hammer to loosen the screw plug. RIch. On 2013-08-05, at 15:08, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote: The aluminum waste deck fitting is stuck. Even with a good spanner wrench I could not budge it. I sprayed PB Blaster on it. If the O ring is good, the Blaster may not penetrate. I thought of drilling holes, inserting bolts and using a breaker bar and buying a new cap. Other less drastic ideas? -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Replacing the Overhead Panels on a 37+
Listers, I've purchased a bunch of lights (LED under-kitchen-cabinet ones) to be mounted in those overhead panels much like Ken Heaton has on his boat. But, I'd prefer to go with something white instead of the teak-like ones that Ken has. Does anyone have a good suggestion on what kind of material would be best? I want something lightweight so it can stay up with velcro, but not too flimsy so I can mount these lights in them. 1/4 star board? Any other suggestions? Also, I know Ken already sent around a photo of the aft cabin during our whose-boat-design-is-better chest-thumping email chain, but I had to include a photo of mine too, with, of course, a custom blanket :-) https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15162917/Personal/blanket.jpg All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Replacing the Overhead Panels on a 37+
Edd, 1/4 inch Starboard is too heavy. Some thinner ABS: http://www.interstateplastics.com/White-Abs-Extruded-Sheet-ABSWE.php?sku=ABSWEvid=201208020903-3pdim2=12dim3=12thickness=0.125qty=1 Or plexiglass and paint the top white. Joel 35/3 The Office Annapolis On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Edd Schillay e...@schillay.com wrote: Listers, I've purchased a bunch of lights (LED under-kitchen-cabinet ones) to be mounted in those overhead panels much like Ken Heaton has on his boat. But, I'd prefer to go with something white instead of the teak-like ones that Ken has. Does anyone have a good suggestion on what kind of material would be best? I want something lightweight so it can stay up with velcro, but not too flimsy so I can mount these lights in them. 1/4 star board? Any other suggestions? Also, I know Ken already sent around a photo of the aft cabin during our whose-boat-design-is-better chest-thumping email chain, but I had to include a photo of mine too, with, of course, a custom blanket :-) https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15162917/Personal/blanket.jpg All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Websitehttp://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Waste fitting stuck
Sell the boat... On 8/5/13, Knowles Rich r...@sailpower.ca wrote: Screwdriver or punch in a hole or slot as close to the perimeter as possible. Hit it with a hammer to loosen the screw plug. RIch. On 2013-08-05, at 15:08, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote: The aluminum waste deck fitting is stuck. Even with a good spanner wrench I could not budge it. I sprayed PB Blaster on it. If the O ring is good, the Blaster may not penetrate. I thought of drilling holes, inserting bolts and using a breaker bar and buying a new cap. Other less drastic ideas? -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- “The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Waste fitting stuck
The aluminum waste deck fitting is stuck. Even with a good spanner wrench I could not budge it. I sprayed PB Blaster on it. If the O ring is good, the Blaster may not penetrate. I thought of drilling holes, inserting bolts and using a breaker bar and buying a new cap. Other less drastic ideas? -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Waste fitting stuck
Got a picture? What happens with the spanner? Bend/break/slip out? Josh -- When privacy matters. http://www.secure-my-email.com On Aug 5, 2013 2:10 PM, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote: The aluminum waste deck fitting is stuck. Even with a good spanner wrench I could not budge it. I sprayed PB Blaster on it. If the O ring is good, the Blaster may not penetrate. I thought of drilling holes, inserting bolts and using a breaker bar and buying a new cap. Other less drastic ideas? -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Waste fitting stuck
Bent one side of the spanner. It slips out unless there is a lot of pressure (a foot) on it. There was nothing unusual looking, so I did not take a photo. On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Josh Muckley muckl...@gmail.com wrote: Got a picture? What happens with the spanner? Bend/break/slip out? Josh -- When privacy matters. http://www.secure-my-email.com On Aug 5, 2013 2:10 PM, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote: The aluminum waste deck fitting is stuck. Even with a good spanner wrench I could not budge it. I sprayed PB Blaster on it. If the O ring is good, the Blaster may not penetrate. I thought of drilling holes, inserting bolts and using a breaker bar and buying a new cap. Other less drastic ideas? -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Waste fitting stuck
Joel - Bigger hammer? I don't mean to be flippant, but sometimes just banging the living heck out of something with a hammer really works. I keep a huge (like the biggest I have ever seen) flat blade screwdriver on board. I've had deck fittings stick, and the spanner wrench just jumps out of the holes. I've stuck that big screwdriver in the slot, and clamped a crescent wrench down as tight as I can, and start tapping on the end of the wrench with a hammer. Start with light taps, and then when you get really frustrated just whale away. Wal Joel Aronson wrote: The aluminum waste deck fitting is stuck. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 41 re-engine
Ray The motor is out, comes out the main hatch easily. ThankPaul ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Waste fitting stuck
Wal, Simple, yet effective! May give it a try. On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Wally Bryant w...@wbryant.com wrote: Joel - Bigger hammer? I don't mean to be flippant, but sometimes just banging the living heck out of something with a hammer really works. I keep a huge (like the biggest I have ever seen) flat blade screwdriver on board. I've had deck fittings stick, and the spanner wrench just jumps out of the holes. I've stuck that big screwdriver in the slot, and clamped a crescent wrench down as tight as I can, and start tapping on the end of the wrench with a hammer. Start with light taps, and then when you get really frustrated just whale away. Wal Joel Aronson wrote: The aluminum waste deck fitting is stuck. __**_ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Waste fitting stuck
I have found two of the same sized allen wrenches to be a really effective alternative to a spanner. Choose the size of allen wrench that fits the holes tightly. Short legs in the holes, long legs together and resting on the opposite short leg. Wire tire together for added stability. Add a long screwdriver or other pry instrument and you are set. Josh -- When privacy matters. http://www.secure-my-email.com On Aug 5, 2013 3:10 PM, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote: Bent one side of the spanner. It slips out unless there is a lot of pressure (a foot) on it. There was nothing unusual looking, so I did not take a photo. On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Josh Muckley muckl...@gmail.com wrote: Got a picture? What happens with the spanner? Bend/break/slip out? Josh -- When privacy matters. http://www.secure-my-email.com On Aug 5, 2013 2:10 PM, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote: The aluminum waste deck fitting is stuck. Even with a good spanner wrench I could not budge it. I sprayed PB Blaster on it. If the O ring is good, the Blaster may not penetrate. I thought of drilling holes, inserting bolts and using a breaker bar and buying a new cap. Other less drastic ideas? -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Waste fitting stuck
Joel, After you get done flogging on the fitting it will probably be a chunk of junk metal. You might save yourself aggravation by R/R the fitting. If its corroded now it isn't going to get better. Might be time to replace the hose since your are in the area. It's probably that ribbed hose that saves some of the crap during pump out anyway. Good luck. Ray Shibe ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 41 re-engine
Paul, What year is your 41? My only existing access is via the starboard lazerette though I'm guessing removing the forward bulkhead to the battery box would be another way. Ray On Mon, Aug 05, 2013 at 03:30 PM, Paul G. Parsons wrote: Ray The motor is out, comes out the main hatch easily. ThankPaul ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 41 re-engine
Paul, Do you have any pictures? Ray On Mon, Aug 05, 2013 at 03:30 PM, Paul G. Parsons wrote: Ray The motor is out, comes out the main hatch easily. ThankPaul ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Waste fitting stuck
Ray, You're right, but I may get away with a new cap for the rest of the season. On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:40 PM, RAYMOND SHIBE rsh...@optonline.net wrote: Joel, After you get done flogging on the fitting it will probably be a chunk of junk metal. You might save yourself aggravation by R/R the fitting. If its corroded now it isn't going to get better. Might be time to replace the hose since your are in the area. It's probably that ribbed hose that saves some of the crap during pump out anyway. Good luck. Ray Shibe ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Primary winches for MkII 27'
Hi Listers, I'm seriously considering replacing the current (I assume factory standard) Barient single-speed winches. I'm not at the boat at the moment, I think they are 16s. Anyway, I am looking at the Anderson 28ST (two speed, self tailers). Is the 28 too big, too small, what do you have on your 27? Cheers, Paul. Orange Crush 1974 27MkII ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Waste fitting stuck
Joel, I'd drill the holes, insert bolts and use the breaker bar. When you install the new cap, coat the threads with TefGel. Dennis C. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 5, 2013, at 1:08 PM, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote: The aluminum waste deck fitting is stuck. Even with a good spanner wrench I could not budge it. I sprayed PB Blaster on it. If the O ring is good, the Blaster may not penetrate. I thought of drilling holes, inserting bolts and using a breaker bar and buying a new cap. Other less drastic ideas? -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Waste fitting stuck
Didn't have a big enough hammer so that's next. Joel Aronson On Aug 5, 2013, at 6:12 PM, Dennis C. capt...@yahoo.com wrote: Joel, I'd drill the holes, insert bolts and use the breaker bar. When you install the new cap, coat the threads with TefGel. Dennis C. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 5, 2013, at 1:08 PM, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote: The aluminum waste deck fitting is stuck. Even with a good spanner wrench I could not budge it. I sprayed PB Blaster on it. If the O ring is good, the Blaster may not penetrate. I thought of drilling holes, inserting bolts and using a breaker bar and buying a new cap. Other less drastic ideas? -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Primary winches for MkII 27'
Your current winches are probably Barient 18s, at least that is what was original on my boat. I looked long and hard at the Anderson 28st winches and I agree that they are a good fit for the CC27. A Barient 19st is pretty much an 18 that is self tailing, but almost impossible to find now. In the end I bought a couple of used Barient 21-30st winches but only because they were way cheaper than a new pair of Andersons. I have not found the larger diameter to be of any particular advantage, and there seems to be a greater tendency for over-rides, but self tailing was the feature I was after and I like them for that. Steve Thomas 1978 CC27 MKIII -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Paul Baker Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 5:03 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Primary winches for MkII 27' Hi Listers, I'm seriously considering replacing the current (I assume factory standard) Barient single-speed winches. I'm not at the boat at the moment, I think they are 16s. Anyway, I am looking at the Anderson 28ST (two speed, self tailers). Is the 28 too big, too small, what do you have on your 27? Cheers, Paul. Orange Crush 1974 27MkII ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Primary winches for MkII 27'
My 25 has Barient 22 2-speed primaries. 16s seem pretty small for your 27. One speed 16s were the winches on the Rhodes 19 daysailors I used to sail out of Burnham Harbor in Chicago. The Power ratio for the Barient 22 is reportedly 39, and the chart I have shows the Harken, Lewmar, and Anderson 40ST as the appropriate replacement. Barient 21s have a power ratio of 30, and suggested replacement is Harken and Lewmar 30 or Anderson 28. Barient 17s can be replaced by Harken or Lewmar 16s, and Barient 18s by a Lewmar 24 (can't say I've ever seen one of these). The Arco website seems to suggest a power ratio of around 30 for a boat your size, so the Anderson 28ST may be appropriate. Rick Brass Washington, NC -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul Baker Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 5:03 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Primary winches for MkII 27' Hi Listers, I'm seriously considering replacing the current (I assume factory standard) Barient single-speed winches. I'm not at the boat at the moment, I think they are 16s. Anyway, I am looking at the Anderson 28ST (two speed, self tailers). Is the 28 too big, too small, what do you have on your 27? Cheers, Paul. Orange Crush 1974 27MkII ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Primary winches for MkII 27'
Not quite the same size, but my 26 has had Lewmar 16ST's on the combing for about 4 seasons now. I sail with a 135 on a roller furler. Sheets are Yale PhD.Works perfectly according to my foresail trimmer.Definitely don't need a 2 speed unless you're not very good at tacking. SamCC 26 LiquoriceGhost Lake Alberta From: Paul BakerSent: Monday, August 5, 2013 3:03 PMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comReply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.comSubject: Stus-List Primary winches for MkII 27'Hi Listers,I'm seriously considering replacing the current (I assume factory standard) Barient single-speed winches. I'm not at the boat at the moment, I think they are 16s. Anyway, I am looking at the Anderson 28ST (two speed, self tailers). Is the 28 too big, too small, what do you have on your 27?Cheers,Paul.Orange Crush1974 27MkII___This List is provided by the CC Photo Albumhttp://www.cncphotoalbum.comCnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Waste fitting stuck
Joel, When was the last time you pumped out??? Jake From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 3:09 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Waste fitting stuck Bent one side of the spanner. It slips out unless there is a lot of pressure (a foot) on it. There was nothing unusual looking, so I did not take a photo. On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Josh Muckley muckl...@gmail.com wrote: Got a picture? What happens with the spanner? Bend/break/slip out? Josh -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Waste fitting stuck
The fall. I opened the y valve to make sure it was not overflowing. Joel Aronson On Aug 5, 2013, at 8:21 PM, Jake Brodersen captain_j...@cox.net wrote: Joel, When was the last time you pumped out??? Jake *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.comcnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Joel Aronson *Sent:* Monday, August 05, 2013 3:09 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Waste fitting stuck Bent one side of the spanner. It slips out unless there is a lot of pressure (a foot) on it. There was nothing unusual looking, so I did not take a photo. On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Josh Muckley muckl...@gmail.com wrote: Got a picture? What happens with the spanner? Bend/break/slip out? Josh -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Primary winches for MkII 27'
Sam - You're lucky to have a foresail trimmer, my foresail trimmer is the same guy that is doing the main sail trim, and the helming, and operating the engine, and hoisting the sails, and getting the boat to and from the dock, i.e. me. I don't have an autohelm, nor even a wheel brake, so something easy to operate is my primary need as I almost exclusively single-hand (quite literally). Rick - it sounds like you've sailed some nicely over-winched boats, my 24' had Barient 12s if I recall correctly, and they were fine on a boat that size. Steve - they must have put bigger winches on later boats, I checked today and they are definitely 16s on there. I might pull the trigger on a pair of shiny stainless Andersons if they physically fit, I have to get the measurements. It's only money *sigh*. Cheers, Paul. On 13-08-05 04:46 PM, sam.c.sal...@gmail.com wrote: Not quite the same size, but my 26 has had Lewmar 16ST's on the combing for about 4 seasons now. I sail with a 135 on a roller furler. Sheets are Yale PhD. ?Works perfectly according to my foresail trimmer. Definitely don't need a 2 speed unless you're not very good at tacking. Sam CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta *From: *Paul Baker *Sent: *Monday, August 5, 2013 3:03 PM *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Reply To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject: *Stus-List Primary winches for MkII 27' Hi Listers, I'm seriously considering replacing the current (I assume factory standard) Barient single-speed winches. I'm not at the boat at the moment, I think they are 16s. Anyway, I am looking at the Anderson 28ST (two speed, self tailers). Is the 28 too big, too small, what do you have on your 27? Cheers, Paul. Orange Crush 1974 27MkII ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Primary winches for MkII 27'
Whatever you decide to buy, self tailers are the next best investment after new sails! sam :-) 403-617-6280 From: Paul BakerSent: Monday, August 5, 2013 6:55 PMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comReply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.comSubject: Re: Stus-List Primary winches for MkII 27' Sam - You're lucky to have a foresail trimmer, my foresail trimmer is the same guy that is doing the main sail trim, and the helming, and operating the engine, and hoisting the sails, and getting the boat to and from the dock, i.e. me. I don't have an autohelm, nor even a wheel brake, so something easy to operate is my primary need as I almost exclusively single-hand (quite literally). Rick - it sounds like you've sailed some nicely over-winched boats, my 24' had Barient 12s if I recall correctly, and they were fine on a boat that size. Steve - they must have put bigger winches on later boats, I checked today and they are definitely 16s on there. I might pull the trigger on a pair of shiny stainless Andersons if they physically fit, I have to get the measurements. It's only money *sigh*. Cheers, Paul. On 13-08-05 04:46 PM, sam.c.sal...@gmail.com wrote: Not quite the same size, but my 26 has had Lewmar 16ST's on the combing for about 4 seasons now. I sail with a 135 on a roller furler. Sheets are Yale PhD. Works perfectly according to my foresail trimmer. Definitely don't need a 2 speed unless you're not very good at tacking. Sam CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta From: Paul Baker Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 3:03 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Primary winches for MkII 27' Hi Listers, I'm seriously considering replacing the current (I assume factory standard) Barient single-speed winches. I'm not at the boat at the moment, I think they are 16s. Anyway, I am looking at the Anderson 28ST (two speed, self tailers). Is the 28 too big, too small, what do you have on your 27? Cheers, Paul. Orange Crush 1974 27MkII ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List CC 35, additional water tank
On my CC 35, I have one fresh water tank under the port settee. It holds 28 gallons. The boat specs say she carries 40 gallons. I wonder if there was another tank under the dinette. Has anyone installed extra water tanks, and if so, what was the source? We want to take her for an extended cruise south this winter and would like to carry more water. Richard Bernstein LUNA 1984 CC 35 Lake Champlain, Vermont ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Fw: Replacing the Overhead Panels on a 37+
Edd I replaced all of my overhead panels with FRP. It’s used for shower stalls and comes in 4’ X 8’ sheets. It is extremely white so much so I had to paint all of the head liner with Interlux Brightside blu-glow white. Pictures available is you want. Mike S/V Persuasion CC 37 Keel/CB Long Sault From: Edd Schillay Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 2:19 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Replacing the Overhead Panels on a 37+ Listers, I've purchased a bunch of lights (LED under-kitchen-cabinet ones) to be mounted in those overhead panels much like Ken Heaton has on his boat. But, I'd prefer to go with something white instead of the teak-like ones that Ken has. Does anyone have a good suggestion on what kind of material would be best? I want something lightweight so it can stay up with velcro, but not too flimsy so I can mount these lights in them. 1/4 star board? Any other suggestions? Also, I know Ken already sent around a photo of the aft cabin during our whose-boat-design-is-better chest-thumping email chain, but I had to include a photo of mine too, with, of course, a custom blanket :-) https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15162917/Personal/blanket.jpg All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Replacing the Overhead Panels on a 37+
Edd: I just saw something used for outdoor signsa honey combed very light white plastic board. Sold in 4 x 8' sheets for about $25 at a sign supply shop... Ron C. _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G Street Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 4:34 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Replacing the Overhead Panels on a 37+ Edd -- how about 1/4 white Plexiglas (acrylic)? Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Aug 5, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Edd Schillay e...@schillay.com wrote: Listers, I've purchased a bunch of lights (LED under-kitchen-cabinet ones) to be mounted in those overhead panels much like Ken Heaton has on his boat. But, I'd prefer to go with something white instead of the teak-like ones that Ken has. Does anyone have a good suggestion on what kind of material would be best? I want something lightweight so it can stay up with velcro, but not too flimsy so I can mount these lights in them. 1/4 star board? Any other suggestions? Also, I know Ken already sent around a photo of the aft cabin during our whose-boat-design-is-better chest-thumping email chain, but I had to include a photo of mine too, with, of course, a custom blanket :-) https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15162917/Personal/blanket.jpg ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Yanmar starting
Hey everyone. My Yanmar 1GM10 is slowly getting more and more difficult to start. With full battery charge, good ground and contact, I'm finding the only way to get the starter to spin is to give quick taps to the start button. If I hold it, it just saps the power system and everything shuts down briefly. Is this a sign of the starter becoming weak? Brent D CC 27-5 Lake Winnipeg Sent from my iPhone ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Fw: Replacing the Overhead Panels on a 37+
Mike, Would live to see pics -- thanks. All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.332.1671 | Fax 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 5 On Aug 5, 2013, at 9:20 PM, Persuasion persuasio...@gmail.com wrote: Edd I replaced all of my overhead panels with FRP. It’s used for shower stalls and comes in 4’ X 8’ sheets. It is extremely white so much so I had to paint all of the head liner with Interlux Brightside blu-glow white. Pictures available is you want. Mike S/V Persuasion CC 37 Keel/CB Long Sault From: Edd Schillay Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 2:19 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Replacing the Overhead Panels on a 37+ Listers, I've purchased a bunch of lights (LED under-kitchen-cabinet ones) to be mounted in those overhead panels much like Ken Heaton has on his boat. But, I'd prefer to go with something white instead of the teak-like ones that Ken has. Does anyone have a good suggestion on what kind of material would be best? I want something lightweight so it can stay up with velcro, but not too flimsy so I can mount these lights in them. 1/4 star board? Any other suggestions? Also, I know Ken already sent around a photo of the aft cabin during our whose-boat-design-is-better chest-thumping email chain, but I had to include a photo of mine too, with, of course, a custom blanket :-) https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15162917/Personal/blanket.jpg All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 35, additional water tank
Mine is under the starboard berth. Joel Aronson On Aug 5, 2013, at 9:12 PM, Richard H. Bernstein richard.h.bernst...@uvm.edu wrote: On my CC 35, I have one fresh water tank under the port settee. It holds 28 gallons. The boat specs say she carries 40 gallons. I wonder if there was another tank under the dinette. Has anyone installed extra water tanks, and if so, what was the source? We want to take her for an extended cruise south this winter and would like to carry more water. Richard Bernstein LUNA 1984 CC 35 Lake Champlain, Vermont ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List [Bulk] Yanmar starting
It s more than likely the switch itself,they have a bad habit of becoming flaky Check the ,connections on the switch .try shorting ( bypass the switch)the wires at the switch and see if the starter works better DDrake 73 JH CC 26 On 2013-08-05, at 9:38 PM, Brent Driedger bren...@highspeedcrow.ca wrote: Hey everyone. My Yanmar 1GM10 is slowly getting more and more difficult to start. With full battery charge, good ground and contact, I'm finding the only way to get the starter to spin is to give quick taps to the start button. If I hold it, it just saps the power system and everything shuts down briefly. Is this a sign of the starter becoming weak? Brent D CC 27-5 Lake Winnipeg Sent from my iPhone ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 35, additional water tank
As is ours. I think it is larger than the port tank too but forget those details. It's an '86 35/3 Ron On Aug 5, 2013, at 10:03 PM, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote: Mine is under the starboard berth. Joel Aronson On Aug 5, 2013, at 9:12 PM, Richard H. Bernstein richard.h.bernst...@uvm.edu wrote: On my CC 35, I have one fresh water tank under the port settee. It holds 28 gallons. The boat specs say she carries 40 gallons. I wonder if there was another tank under the dinette. Has anyone installed extra water tanks, and if so, what was the source? We want to take her for an extended cruise south this winter and would like to carry more water. Richard Bernstein LUNA 1984 CC 35 Lake Champlain, Vermont ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Yanmar starting
Yes, probably the starter. It could be a couple of repairable things though. I think the most likely is the brushes and commutator. Brushes are pretty easy to replace and the commutator can be polished up. The circuit between the brushes and commutator needs to be solid for the solenoid to have enough current to pull the fork that throws the drive gear into the flywheel. If you want to save a buck or are in dire need you can disassemble and repair the starter but for the time and effort required it is probably better to have it rebuilt or replaced. The wife and I were in a foreign Spanish port when the starter on the boat we were chartering failed. We managed to disassemble the whole starter and cleaned out all the carbon dust and dirt. We cleaned the commutator with the only thing we had, balsamic vinegar. The brushes were worn and needed replaced but the cleaning managed to get us started. You might also check the quality of the connections and wires powering your starter. Josh -- When privacy matters. http://www.secure-my-email.com On Aug 5, 2013 9:38 PM, Brent Driedger bren...@highspeedcrow.ca wrote: Hey everyone. My Yanmar 1GM10 is slowly getting more and more difficult to start. With full battery charge, good ground and contact, I'm finding the only way to get the starter to spin is to give quick taps to the start button. If I hold it, it just saps the power system and everything shuts down briefly. Is this a sign of the starter becoming weak? Brent D CC 27-5 Lake Winnipeg Sent from my iPhone ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Primary winches for MkII 27'
My 27 Mk III has Barient 18 primary and Barient 10 halyard winches. I too have been pondering replacements. From: sam.c.sal...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 5:59 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Primary winches for MkII 27' Whatever you decide to buy, self tailers are the next best investment after new sails! sam :-) 403-617-6280 From: Paul Baker Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 6:55 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Primary winches for MkII 27' Sam - You're lucky to have a foresail trimmer, my foresail trimmer is the same guy that is doing the main sail trim, and the helming, and operating the engine, and hoisting the sails, and getting the boat to and from the dock, i.e. me. I don't have an autohelm, nor even a wheel brake, so something easy to operate is my primary need as I almost exclusively single-hand (quite literally). Rick - it sounds like you've sailed some nicely over-winched boats, my 24' had Barient 12s if I recall correctly, and they were fine on a boat that size. Steve - they must have put bigger winches on later boats, I checked today and they are definitely 16s on there. I might pull the trigger on a pair of shiny stainless Andersons if they physically fit, I have to get the measurements. It's only money *sigh*. Cheers, Paul. On 13-08-05 04:46 PM, sam.c.sal...@gmail.com wrote: Not quite the same size, but my 26 has had Lewmar 16ST's on the combing for about 4 seasons now. I sail with a 135 on a roller furler. Sheets are Yale PhD. Works perfectly according to my foresail trimmer.Definitely don't need a 2 speed unless you're not very good at tacking. SamCC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta From: Paul Baker Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 3:03 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Primary winches for MkII 27' Hi Listers, I'm seriously considering replacing the current (I assume factory standard) Barient single-speed winches. I'm not at the boat at the moment, I think they are 16s. Anyway, I am looking at the Anderson 28ST (two speed, self tailers). Is the 28 too big, too small, what do you have on your 27? Cheers, Paul. Orange Crush 1974 27MkII ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Primary winches for MkII 27'
Well, in a moment of madness, I've just ordered a pair of all stainless Anderson 28ST. No-one tell the missus what I just spent! On 13-08-05 09:04 PM, Peter Fell wrote: My 27 Mk III has Barient 18 primary and Barient 10 halyard winches. I too have been pondering replacements. *From:* sam.c.sal...@gmail.com mailto:sam.c.sal...@gmail.com *Sent:* Monday, August 05, 2013 5:59 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Primary winches for MkII 27' Whatever you decide to buy, self tailers are the next best investment after new sails! sam :-) 403-617-6280 *From: *Paul Baker *Sent: *Monday, August 5, 2013 6:55 PM *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Reply To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Primary winches for MkII 27' Sam - You're lucky to have a foresail trimmer, my foresail trimmer is the same guy that is doing the main sail trim, and the helming, and operating the engine, and hoisting the sails, and getting the boat to and from the dock, i.e. me. I don't have an autohelm, nor even a wheel brake, so something easy to operate is my primary need as I almost exclusively single-hand (quite literally). Rick - it sounds like you've sailed some nicely over-winched boats, my 24' had Barient 12s if I recall correctly, and they were fine on a boat that size. Steve - they must have put bigger winches on later boats, I checked today and they are definitely 16s on there. I might pull the trigger on a pair of shiny stainless Andersons if they physically fit, I have to get the measurements. It's only money *sigh*. Cheers, Paul. On 13-08-05 04:46 PM, sam.c.sal...@gmail.com wrote: Not quite the same size, but my 26 has had Lewmar 16ST's on the combing for about 4 seasons now. I sail with a 135 on a roller furler. Sheets are Yale PhD. ?Works perfectly according to my foresail trimmer. Definitely don't need a 2 speed unless you're not very good at tacking. Sam CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta *From: *Paul Baker *Sent: *Monday, August 5, 2013 3:03 PM *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Reply To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject: *Stus-List Primary winches for MkII 27' Hi Listers, I'm seriously considering replacing the current (I assume factory standard) Barient single-speed winches. I'm not at the boat at the moment, I think they are 16s. Anyway, I am looking at the Anderson 28ST (two speed, self tailers). Is the 28 too big, too small, what do you have on your 27? Cheers, Paul. Orange Crush 1974 27MkII ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
