[Cooker] Re: [i18n] something wrong with curl
Combelles, Christophe (MED, ALTEN) wrote: When running urpmi, the output of "curl" is not correct : (...) ETA = 4521k, vitesse = 0:00:04 - ETA should not be a size, but a time - speed (vitesse) should not be a time, but a rate Is it only in french ? Given the thread so far, what are the chances that urpmi is expecting data in a different order than curl is sending it??? Direct run with output to console does not always mean a return passback\response from an indirect call is understood right when an app is indirectly called If changing so that curl works messes up wget, the probability is that each uses different data order for passthrough response than the other when called or that the format parsed is different than what is sent (urpmi may not be understanding curl right cuz it is trying to handle passed data like wget passes data-- possible???). Given that urpmi says curl has failed but that a direct connect with curl succeeds, and given that wget works with urpmi fine but urpmi has problems with curl even on club library access, I think modular INTER-relations (data handling) should be looked at. This is what a bundler of a software set I would buy from does, handles intermodular relations mostly. My brother makes a living fixing old masonry where the mortar was faulty and the walls are now crumbling (with physical structures) and does so in ways that let historic building meet historic codes (outside looks same, fix is stronger inside than ever), my skill lies in the area of seeing modular interrelation patterns of fault in computer systems by seeing patterns of breakage. Problem here might not be curl, might be that what urpmi thinks curl is sending is not what curl means. cc cooker as outside poster to that list from this email address John Danielson.
[Cooker] Email preferences:
The column headers for Reporter and Assignee in the email action prefs (online) are reversed: I am never an assignee, or fixer, I can only due to peculiarities of mental ability analyze patterns and deduce functionally what is behind patterns. So, I turned off the prefs under Assignee. I got MYSELF excluded from any bug I report by doing this, so have no followup context for same-- unless I browse for it, and then only if it had the bug number in subject so cooker had it. If what I said about the scanner and printer bugs helped, I would like to know what did and did not help so I can tune my bug submissions. They should be #1240 and #1242. Is it possible to get those threads echoed\repeated to me at the reply-to email address?? The first letter SHOULD be a capital J, how that happened is a long story but suffice to say there is a valid email box at netscape.net that is never picked up due to password database corruption. Also, the link to the cooker maillist archives seems to have disappeared from the cooker page Echoed as a suggestion set for wish list: Please make the stock KDM login the default boot login again, we do not need things so dumbed down as the XP-pseudo imitation login would have it(if Halt were changed to Halt\Off and Reboot were left alone or changed to Restart or Warm Boot, much of the longer lasting confusion would evaporate, English folks do not think of stop as turn off). Keystroke for keystroke(or mouse click for mouse click) is not needed if the similarity is enough that people who used Windows can use it. It was, as-was, the most intuitive part of KDE and Mandy for this EX-Windows user-- whose favorite was 98 SE and not 2000 or XP. I have used both 2000 and XP, and have set XP to classic mode for many folks because they wanted the older look back. John Danielson.
Re: [Cooker] /dev/dvd , ide-scsi, devfs
rcc wrote: the /dev/dvd link is missing /etc/devfs/dvd.conf points to an ide cd device but there's only a generic device at the target dir. Same is true for rdvd.conf and, in my case, hdc.conf. The desired cd device is at scsi as the my ide dvdrom is now scsi. BTW, how do I turn that feature off? Kernel append only has the burner for ide-scsi. ah, and the nvidia line in modules.devfs is obsolete: NVdriver is now simply nvidia - Mark Mark, is this a combo drive, DVD and CD-RW??? Or a DVD burner??? My Mandrake uses my CD-RW subtype burner as SCSI also, but it does work-- for reading, sound CD play, and burning. I just told Mandrake 9.0 to use /dev/scd0 instead of /dev/cdrom for data reads. Kscd thinks it has a SCSI CD-ROM for audio play. Burning will only happen in SCSI mode, was easiest to leave it that way all the time and that way Supermount and devfsd also work. Ditto for cooker, with a takeoff point from beta2. With a combo drive, it is again easiest to run it as SCSI emulation on all the time AFAIK. I think, could be wrong and YMMV, that one or the other would be easiest to standardize on-- and burning software needs SCSI emulation on. My TDK behaves this way, my HP did also, and unfortunately I do not have the funds for Cendyne DV-RW right now (I spent money for more RAM instead). John. John Danielson. -- Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/
Re: [Cooker] VAIO support
B Lauber wrote: Sorry, I don't think I was clear last time. It's not that there is no APM support for VAIO -- it's that it's broken. When the system recovers from a suspend, everything will lock after 3-5 seconds (before this, the keyboard and mouse will work perfectly.) I have included the write-up of my syslog that I promised. It may not be exact -- I had to copy it manually since the system freezes before it is written to the hd: This is what my syslog reads when returning from a system suspend: apmd[985]: System Suspend apmd[985]: apmd_call_proxy: executing: '/etc/sysconfig/apm-scripts/apmd_proxy' 'resume' usb: Initializing USB controller (usb-uhci): succeeded kernel: mice: PS/2 mouse common for all mice network: Setting network parameters: succeeded apmd[985]: apmd_call_proxy: + Initializing USB controller (usb-uhci): [ OK ]^M Setting network parameters: [ OK ]^M Bringing up loopback interface: network: Bringing up loopback interface: succeeded kernel: 8139too Fast Ethernet driver 0.9.25 kernel: PCI: Enabling device 00:10.0 ( -> 0003) kernel: PCI: Found IRQ 10 for device 00:10.0 kernel: IRQ routing conflict for 00:07.5, have irq 5, want irq 10 kernel: IRQ routing conflict for 00:07.6, have irq 5, want irq 10 kernel: PCI: Sharing IRQ 10 with 00:0a.1 kernel: PCI: Setting latency timer of device 00:10.0 to 64 ** If I enter a suspend while the system is first booting up , everything will work perfectly (keyboard works, mouse works, etc) until... well, here's the print-up: Mounting local filesystems: [ OK ] Checking loopback filesystems:[ OK ] Mounting loopback filesystems:[ OK ] Loading keymap: us[ OK ] Loading compose keys: compose.latin.inc [ OK ] The BackSpace key sends: ^? [ OK ] Enabling swap space: [ OK ] Initializing firewire controller (ohci1394): [ OK ] Building Window Manager Sessions [ OK ] insmod: Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters. You may find more information in syslog or the output from dmesg Once again, I want to reiterate that I know for a fact that this problem did not exist in Mandrake 8.0. If anyone has any idea why this problem formed between 8.0 and 8.2 (I never tested 8.1), that would be great. As for now, I'm going to do more research into the problem -- Chao From: Adam Williamson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Cooker] VAIO support Date: 25 Jan 2003 20:09:17 + On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 17:06, B Lauber wrote: > Sony claims that VAIO systems are not designed for Linux, but I know for a > fact that my system worked just fine w/ Mandrake 8.0. If I can see anything > in 9.1, I would like to see a modification for APM so that my system is able > to suspend again. Just add "acpi=off" to the append line in lilo.conf (or the configuration file for whatever bootloader you use :>). Then you'll get APM. > Here's what I know as of now: the confusion that causes the system to > lock has something to do w/ the keyboard and the system's fan (I have a > battery that causes the fan to studder at times; whenever it studders, the > keyboard studders as well. Furthermore, when the system recovers from a > suspend, it will work for about 5 seconds until the fan reactivates.). My > guess is that the keyboard is wrongly detected and registered because > between Mandrake versions 8.0 and 8.2 it has lost support for the windows > keys (in 8.0, pushing the windows key would make the K menu pop up). > I will have more information soon -- I'm going to put 8.0 back onto my > system and check the irq's of the keyboard and such. ACPI works very well on my C1XD; suspend doesn't seem to work, however. (At least not with "cat 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep", which is the only method I've heard of to invoke a suspend under ACPI. -- adamw Sorry, I don't think I was clear last time. It's not that there is no APM support for VAIO -- it's that it's broken. When the system recovers from a suspend, everything will lock after 3-5 seconds (before this, the keyboard and mouse will work perfectly.) I have included the writup of my syslog that I promised. It may not be exact -- I had to copy it manually since the system freezez before it is written to the hd: apmd[985]: System Suspend apmd[985]: apmd_call_proxy: executing: '/etc/sysconfig/apm-scripts/apmd_proxy' 'resume' usb: Initializing USB controller (usb-uhci): succeeded kernel: mice: PS/2 mouse common for all mice network: Setting network parameters: succeeded apmd[985]: apmd_call_proxy: + Initializing USB controller (usb-uhci): [ OK ]^M Setting network parameters: [ OK ]^M Bringi
Re: Serial ATA support or not... Was:Re: [Cooker] Corrections/Addonto lspci database...
Thomas Backlund wrote: Viestissä Sunnuntai 26. Tammikuuta 2003 00:21, John Danielson, II kirjoitti: Some of the new VIA and Intel mainboards that support 3+ GIG CPUs allow for these drives, but they right now are future tech given the mech. prices for about 90% of the public. We do not need to heavily worry about these particular busses right now, IMHO, but in 2 years when R&D costs of mfrs. are somewhat paid for, they may start to become very popular in things like backup appliances and high-end cluster storage units, especially for those heavily into animated high quality graphics. John. Well actually the SATA disks are not so far away... Here in Finland they are taking pre-orders for Seagate SATA disks now... and Maxtor Maxline disks should show up next month (don't know their price...) as for the Seagate Barracuda V 120GB, the price is: IDE: 178,- Euro SATA: 276,- Euro but you can also buy an SATA to UATA adapter for 58,- Euro, and hook up any IDE disk you want... It may be aiming too high to aim for a full support in 9.1 since they have to be tested... but after that Release the SATA disks should have found their way to the stores... Well, that's just my opinion... --- Thomas ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.iki.fi/~tmb/ ** That is interesting, and for those with the need for extreme speed, yes. For me, I will spend about $100.00 US for 100GB Western Digital JB series( 8MB buffer, 7200 RPM, ATA/100) and say that is all I need and then some for my P4\1.8GHz box(which says it runs at about 3600 Bogomips, but will also be a 2.53 GHz by then) for the next year or so. As it has a 40 GB in a swap tray, a 60 that will be joining it in a companion swap tray, and an 80 GB JB series that ran me all of $85.00 US three months ago, I think a price increase of 2.5X is not in the cards for the common man yet. Yes, first models are available from Manufacturers, like fiber channels were available 2 plus years ago. Those who work for Digital Domain or Image&Light Magic or work heavily with Crystal Space 3D need those kinds of HDs, yes. And when they drop to about 3\4 of current price I will want one of teh S\ATAs to go on the Intel PEBT2 motherboard I am hankering for(wanting badly)-- 8 months to a year for that, would be my guess. ATA's have halved in price per Gig, almost, in the last year. 120 GB JB series WD HDs are commonly available for about $130.00 USD over here, and can be had as low as $110.00 USD at qty 10-pack or more. For 9.2, this is something to look at seriously, but would shelve until then in a wishlist folder or email archive for wishlist work. Idea valid, yes(very much so), but would have to say urgency is kinda low. John.
Re: [Cooker] Corrections/Addon to lspci database...
Thomas Backlund wrote: Viestissä Lauantai 25. Tammikuuta 2003 22:44, Pixel kirjoitti: Thomas Backlund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: given network added to the pcitable: 0x10b70x9201 "3c59x" "3Com Corporation|3c920 Tornado" (this is format we use for pci devices, please give it that way if possible :) 01:0b.0 RAID bus controller: Silicon Image: Sil3112 Serial ATA (rev 01) ... as the kernel also know about: SiI3112 Serial ATA: IDE controller at PCI slot 01:0b.0 SiI3112 Serial ATA: chipset revision 1 SiI3112 Serial ATA: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later what is this module? thanks! well actually it seems to be built in ide support, from /usr/src/linux/drivers/ide/pci/siimage.c but if that would be built as a module, it should have the name siimage, shouldn't it... --- Thomas ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.iki.fi/~tmb/ ** While Serial ATA is in a sense for Hard Drives and is tuned for storage media, it will not take standard IDE or ATA connections-- in fact, the bussing standards for it are not finalized yet(they are in the same state of completion as is dual-channel DDR RAM, which has initial offerings available but no finalized standards are fully in place for that yet, either). What the bus does is very high pumped speed HD access via a serial connect-- the throughput is comparable to firewire plus 10% or so, and the data flow is serial with separate dedicated control lines on the same connector. Typically it is run inside the FSB area of a mainboard, and to a degree will imitate ATA. It is intended for HDs with 10,000 to 15,000 or higher rotational speeds and thus very low average seek times. Silicon Image, Promise, and HighPoint Technology are touting these. The earliest drives for this are in the price range of Maxtor's fiber channel drives, as the same basic mechs are needed for both S\ATA and fiber channel to support the high speed access. What is being discussed now is the degree to which one will be able to hot-swap these drives like SCSI drives can so be swapped. It is proposed, and most agree, that it will be as hot-swappable as SCSI or USB or Firewire. The connector Pics I have seen are smaller, 10-16 wire connectors. They are not pure fiber connect. Some of the new VIA and Intel mainboards that support 3+ GIG CPUs allow for these drives, but they right now are future tech given the mech. prices for about 90% of the public. We do not need to heavily worry about these particular busses right now, IMHO, but in 2 years when R&D costs of mfrs. are somewhat paid for, they may start to become very popular in things like backup appliances and high-end cluster storage units, especially for those heavily into animated high quality graphics. John.
Re: [Cooker] Re: [Contrib-Rpm] chrony-1.19-1mdk
Ben Reser wrote: On Fri, Jan 24, 2003 at 10:39:45PM -0700, Vincent Danen wrote: Agreed. Or, even better, split ntp into two packages... ntp-client and ntp-server. You only need ntpdate and /etc/ntp/step-tickers to set the time from a remote ntp server... running the full-blown ntpd is silly. For instance, on a local network of 10 machines, only one machine needs to run ntpd, and get the time from an external NTP server. The other 9 machines just need to run ntpdate on boot or at a desired interval... they don't all need to run ntpd. According to the ntp people ntpdate is deprecated. They basically tell you to use ntpd with certain options which isn't really a good replacement for it. Note the disclaimer on the top of this page: http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~ntp/ntp_spool/html/ntpdate.html I run ntpd as they recommend, but sync(by calling ntpd from webmin using the hardware->time server choice) via the Webmin interface. Webmin writes a decent call to ntpd. I tend to sync once a month, and that keeps me within 10 sec of real. For standalone boxes like mine in the US, http://nist.time.gov/ is webbable also, with a javascripted time display that self-syncs to nist. on pane one, you choose time zone, pane two shows time to second. Good for general use. John. -- Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1037] [Installation] beta2 fails to get xwindowsworking
[Bug 1037] wrote: https://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1037 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-01-25 02:36 --- This workaround works - but begs the question, how is it that linux loses track of its cdrom? I've seen that problem before under 8.1 --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] description: I've tried to install 9.1b2 twice tonight on my ibm x21 laptop. Everything goes fine, except that xwindows won't start after install completes. After the install, it boots only to console (even when I tell it to default to gnome). When I say startx, it complains that things are not properly setup. Setup never queries me about the display. When I su and try to run drakconf to configure the display, it asks for cd1 again, but when I put it in, it doesn't recognize it. When I try running xf86config to set things up, it goes through everything ok, but when I run startx, it gives an execsv error about x. Sorry, the part during install is Not losing track of drive, in fact there is a file that got stuck in ISO for CD1 that is just plain wrong. That is why reregistering it after install with the urpmi.update for source cdrom1 works (with that CD in drive, urpmi reads the CD itself to see what is on it and updates its database accordingly, THEN it can find what is on it correctly). There are two files on CD ISOs from Mandrake that do this, hdlist and synthesis. on an ISO set, there can be two of these on CD1, one set for the whole CD set (which the installer reads at the beginning), and another for just the CD1. With betas and last minute changes, ISO contents can change and get moved from CD to CD. That is the how it can happen that a CD1 cannot be found and the drive drivers can be fine. Another way is to acidentally burn so that the wrong volume label gets burned, but in my case I know for a fact that the CD-ROM drive worked and the burning was correct to what was in the ISO and the ISOs came from main mirrors and md5summed right before burning in addition to all the above. And I had the same basic thing happen to me. in my case, after install I did this to get into the KDE GUI: tried the approach you did, same result; then did this oddball set of things: invoked 'gdm' and got an error telling me X was running , after about 30 seconds at 3500+ bogomips (1793 actual MHz P4 box), and did I want to try that using a different display-- I told it yes. And X came up with KDE loading. After playing a bit, I updated cooker to two days ago, and now system comes up sweet as a fresh cucumber from the midwest-- or in Dolphin, as I multiboot cooker and Dolphin. Each is on a separate HD. The only way each can see part of the other is if I manually mount a partition. KDE 3.1 is sweetly implemented for a test release, and this is an early one which is even more exciting. John. John.
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1062] [drakxtools] New: No ip over 1394
[Bug 1062] wrote: https://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1062 Product: drakxtools Component: DrakConnect Summary: No ip over 1394 Version: 9.1-0.13mdk Platform: PC URL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] OS/Version: All Status: UNCONFIRMED Severity: major Priority: P1 AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DrakConnect doesn't list eth1394 as a driver, and expert mode crashes when I try it. This is after I have done insmod eth1394.o.gz and re booted. Actually, this option should be offered during the install, automatically, so those of us who are relying on our firewire cards to connect two windows machines will be able to network our new Linux install to, say, our winxp machine. (My case). Even though my Linux bootup screen says eth0 is "OK", my winxp machine can't tell it's there. xp says "1394 Connection A network cable is unplugged." The Linux machine is dual booted with winme which does work with ip over 1394, Internet and everything. Linux needs to do ip over 1394 "out of the box", firewire has been around for some time now. And I can't find ANY documentation on the eth1394 module anywhere. Any ideas? --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. Firewire support is still being finalized, as is USB 2.0 which is being also finalized as far as things ever are in the Linux world. Kernel developers are working on this still, it is not fully and completely a part of any stock distro exept as one might consider LFS or Gentoo a stock thing (you compile from source and tweak right now to get ieee1394 support going right if you also have USB or especially USB 2.0 also, among other things). This is a linux-wide issue, not just a Mandrake one. I do not think that even a USB 2.0 direct-connect cable works in Linux commonly yet. At a guess, we will need to wait for things from 2.5 development branch of kernel to be back-ported(patched back into the 2.4 branch) if that is feasible, or for 2.6 to come out in late 2003 to early 2004. Software driver support for classes of things tends to take longer than for pinpoint drivers-- and for what the other operating system you use has, the base support is already there. For Linux, sorry to say not yet. Linux was first designed for servers and older boxes, those tend to use NICs instead of direct-connects, and for that reason Linux has supported a bunch of NICs for a very long time. The consumer variants of things have been not heavily worked on compared to LAN and server technology classes of devices. For now, the following direct connects are feasible and fairly easily accomplished: 1. Null modem serial port connects, with or without modems involved (modem to modem and serial port to serial port with special cabling are both possible); 2. NIC to NIC connects with a crossover cable between them, and; 3. Parallel (ieee1284 type, two way Parallel) cable connects. Of those three, Gigabit NIC to NIC would be fastest and would be faster than firewire also in terms of what you could do with data that also needs to be stored even in a caching way when transferred. Next fastest would be about as fast as actual USB 1.1, and that would still be a NIC-to-NIC connection (Intel eepro100s work, as do some 3COMs, VERY well, for this and for LAN use). Cheapest is a tossup between 1 and 2, for Linux. John.
Re: [Cooker] urpmi is broken in latex cooker
Kim Schulz wrote: On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 17:05:45 -0500 Charles A Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 22:43:50 +0100 Kim Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What is wrong? Same here. urpmi-4.2-11 caused it. You can revert to -10 or wait for -12 and manually install it. It works if you use --wget It works VERY, VERY well with wget, and I think wget also has more flexibility in how and when it times out(I know wget can resume fetches, though I do not know if this has been integrated into urpmi's calling of it-- it also can do single file ftp sessions, and this it looks like it is doing(wget call for each rpm chosen, as single RPMs). I did my first update from beta2 isos to what was then current with an urpmi.update --wget Cooker_main followed by an urpmi --wget --auto-select --media Cooker_main and it figured out things very nicely for me. It grabbed about 200 MB of files and proceeded to dep analyze, then install properly. In fact, with a media name variation, this is how I always update even in Dolphin if I do not want pinpoint updating of an app plus deps. John.
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1023] [Installation] New: unable to go back tothe start of the installation
Pixel wrote:
"John Danielson, II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
anyway, most things should be accessible in the "summary" step, isn't
that enough?
IF that is documented, YES. Tell people to fix via summary what seems still
broken(and make that statement prominently early in install, that install has
changed and summary (or Advanced Setup, see below) now gets you where there is
no advanced button earlier)-- like printers, etc. People will not guess that--
if the box were titled Advanced Setup, they might catch on easier that the
buttons WORK (except for the sound aspect, and this inconsistency might throw
some folks for a loop ("It's the only thing there that I cannot get to the
config of by clicking on, WHY???").
the ergonomy of the "summary" step will (should?) change :)
not everything is decided yet, remarks will be welcome, even if not
everything is possible. I think (hope?:) I took into account most
remarks i've received!
BTW, would the folks in charge of documentation contact me??? I have some time
free and could help with that better than coding details in languages I either
knew and have forgotten most of the details of or have not learned. I also
have threads in the Club in documentation and translation areas working (on
this topic, documentation for end users), and a tiny website if anyone wishes
to see what the perspective behind this request is adn who in general I am.
please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(there may be some other way, but at least i know this one works :)
Thank you, will contact her and yes, you do very well at integrating
comments\remarks\ideas into reality. :)
John.
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Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1054] [rpmdrake] New: Mandrake Update hangs ifSource is bad
[Bug 1054] wrote: https://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1054 Product: rpmdrake Component: MandrakeUpdate Summary: Mandrake Update hangs if Source is bad Version: 2.0-27mdk Platform: All OS/Version: All Status: UNCONFIRMED Severity: normal Priority: P1 AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED] When a Mandrake Update mirror entry is not valid, Mandrake Update will hang forever with the dialog "Please wait, contacting mirror to update packages." The only way to recover is (novice method) kill the window or (expert method) ps for the urpmi process and kill it. The Log Messages within the Mdk Control Center only says "MandrakeUpdate[3081]: launched command: /usr/sbin/urpmi.update update_source" Console messages are equally terse, hanging with the status message: retrieving description file of "update_source"... There are two things. First is that urpmi.update cannot recover if the update source URL is bad. It fails just the same way if invoked from the command-line. The second is that mirror URLs retrieved from the Choose A Mirror interface are not reliable. It's trial and error to select a working mirror as an Update Source, then that Source can become invalid some time later. SUGGESTION: Why _commit_ to an Update Source at all? Why not present the user with the Mirror List EACH TIME he/she invokes Mandrake Update? If fetching the Mirror List should fail, there can be one in cache. Then the user would choose one (or more?) from the List and press a button to retrieve the Description File. Any mirror that delivers a proper Description File is the mirror we use to retrieve files. If this fails, however, the user would be alerted and invited to try another mirror from the list. Repeat until success. The interface could get specific about failures w/o too much trouble, informing the user that the Mirror is full (try later), or else it doesn't respond (network down?), or the path is missing and requires administrator's attention. full console trace: mcc pid 3052 examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.Installation CD 1 (x86) (cdrom1).cz] examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.Installation CD 2 (x86) (cdrom2).cz] examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.International CD (x86) (cdrom3).cz] examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.update_source.cz] examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.Installation CD 1 (x86) (cdrom1).cz] examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.Installation CD 2 (x86) (cdrom2).cz] examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.International CD (x86) (cdrom3).cz] retrieving description file of "update_source"... --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. Yes, it looks like urpmi cannot subparse 500 series ftp info messages or echo to a dialog (either would work, if a 15 line scrollable ftp status dialog or child pane\Xwindow would be doable). I found 3\4 of the failures, when followed by immediate ftp linkups, showed 530-- mirror at capacity for this class of user-- errors. Not dead mirror, not bad URL per se, rather mirror busy for anonymous access. so, typically in that case switched to another CONTINENT for downloading. I now, in my Software Manager in 9.0, install instead of update, and list by upgradability-- if the upgradability list would also show source, oe could pick from an upgradability list more intelligently and eliminate the use of the auto-updater module in MCC except for security updates. This would save dev time, lots of it. One or the other needs doing, imho. John.
Re: USB disk drive problems - was Re: [Cooker] kernel panic debugging
Chmouel Boudjnah wrote: Owen Savill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: 3) There is a kernel patch for the SanDisk USB disk caddies but this does not appear to have been incorporated into the Mandrake kernel. look weird, i don't have such beast to test, but if you point me to it i will maybe integrated. Might be very useful to look at the code for that-- SanDisk can use memory cards as virtual disks. Some IBM Microdisks work on a similar theme driver-wise, as there are both PCMCIA and memory card reader adapters for same. Essentially, SanDisk has what they call\classify as a virtual drive adapter, but it is mostly an IC memory module reader for one of their module lines. Large IC cards with 256 MB and up were made for high-density digital cameras, and it was convenient to have readers that handled them as HDs for older PCs that were USB capable but not USB 2.0 capable. In the US, about 5 variants of this theme exist (IC card as virtual HD, reversing the SWAP idea for portability of data convenience). Take a pocket sized reader, floppy or CD with drivers, and high capacity card to any USB capable box, install drivers, run and carry decent sized chunks of data in tiny package about size of a CD Business card to any box that will take the data and has USB capable O/S. Some of these run at USB 2.0 rates. John. -- Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 955] [Installation] wheel mouse boundaries notreleased after wheel test
[Bug 955] wrote: https://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=955 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-01-24 15:32 --- No, it's a very common PS/2 mouse : Logitech cordless wheel mouse M/N : M-RG45 P/N : 850612-1000 But I don't think it depends on the mouse type. --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] description: - Start install with a wheel mouse - choose "standard wheel mouse" at mouse choice, click next - test your buttons and click "next" --> even at the next step, the mouse cannot be driven outside the dark blue area. expected behaviour : the mouse boundaries should be limited only for the wheel test, but should be released for the next dialog. It is NOT only a logitech thing-- Microsoft Wheel Mouse Optical (Glidepoint chip), USB and PS\2 multimodal with a PS\2 physical connect does this also. This mouse behaves as a: [root@ root]# cat /etc/sysconfig/mouse MOUSETYPE=imps2 XMOUSETYPE=IMPS/2 FULLNAME="PS/2|Generic PS2 Wheel Mouse" XEMU3=no WHEEL=yes device=psaux [root@ root]# and thusly works, but as a glidepoint it races when hooked to PS\2 port (psaux) but works as a USB-- in 9.0, and in 91. beta2 post-install ( but has bounding box probs IN install after mouse test, and since the summary box is in that bounding area, is this a high priority thing??? simply map within test box bounds after mouse test for dialogs???). Basicly, looks like mouse settings are not being taken\accepted\then USED by installer, or this is a bounding box persistence problem per se and not relevant to the mouse driver-- way back when, some folks forced a full screen bounding box reset after small dialogs locked mice cursors to small areas in a couple other operating systems-- I think this might be a lack of remapping the mousable area frame size as part of a successful test exit, and it persists until a larger screen area is refreshed\repainted than the old area (it was called bounding box focus retention in one operating system, and persisted when folks either forgot to force a new box the size of the window or full screen as appropriate in a submodule exit, or forgot to define a default large enough and return to that default after a module exit, or changed the default and forgot to revert it by multiusing one variable). I am getting similar things with MCC in beta2, not mouse boundaries, but refresh\repaint area resets not happening until the full right pane is forced to repaint with a menu event like a choice to see logs or not. I have had to in some cases unembed MCC submodules to get them to run (KDE desktop). This latter thing might be programmatically related, so I include here. Some modules in MCC stick with the wait logo and label displayed and no GUI action I can derive will open them-- boot floppy is one such in MCC in KDE. John.
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1023] [Installation] New: unable to go back tothe start of the installation
Pixel wrote:
"Combelles, Christophe (MED, ALTEN)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
I agree, it seems like a regression since 9.0
And there are "next" and "back" buttons.
So we expect the "back" button to be able to bring us back to the beginning.
(though it doesn't seem to work on 9.1b2).
So why shouldn't it be possible to jump directly to a particular step ?
because some people decided that it was too powerful?
anyway, most things should be accessible in the "summary" step, isn't
that enough?
IF that is documented, YES. Tell people to fix via summary what seems
still broken(and make that statement prominently early in install, that
install has changed and summary (or Advanced Setup, see below) now gets
you where there is no advanced button earlier)-- like printers, etc.
People will not guess that-- if the box were titled Advanced Setup, they
might catch on easier that the buttons WORK (except for the sound
aspect, and this inconsistency might throw some folks for a loop ("It's
the only thing there that I cannot get to the config of by clicking on,
WHY???").
BTW, would the folks in charge of documentation contact me??? I have
some time free and could help with that better than coding details in
languages I either knew and have forgotten most of the details of or
have not learned. I also have threads in the Club in documentation and
translation areas working (on this topic, documentation for end users),
and a tiny website if anyone wishes to see what the perspective behind
this request is adn who in general I am.
John.
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1037] [Installation] New: beta2 fails to get xwindowsworking
[Bug 1037] wrote: https://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1037 Product: Installation Component: Installation Summary: beta2 fails to get xwindows working Version: 1.771 Platform: PC OS/Version: All Status: UNCONFIRMED Severity: blocker Priority: P2 AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've tried to install 9.1b2 twice tonight on my ibm x21 laptop. Everything goes fine, except that xwindows won't start after install completes. After the install, it boots only to console (even when I tell it to default to gnome). When I say startx, it complains that things are not properly setup. Setup never queries me about the display. When I su and try to run drakconf to configure the display, it asks for cd1 again, but when I put it in, it doesn't recognize it. When I try running xf86config to set things up, it goes through everything ok, but when I run startx, it gives an execsv error about x. --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. Stick CD1 back in, and in console: su - root (root password) urpmi.update cdrom1 then when it finishes go do what you did before with XFdrake if needed. CD1 will now be figured out. My understanding, this will be fixed in the Beta3 release. That will be the next set of frozen ISOs. John.
Re: [Cooker] 9.1 Beta 2
Teletchéa Stéphane wrote: Le jeu 23/01/2003 à 14:23, Robert Fox a écrit : On Thu, 2003-01-23 at 12:08, Warly wrote: Shouldn't we agree on making compromise and selecting some applications instead of including everything ? As an example shouldn't we agree on making xcdroast, or k3b, the mandrake default burner, and convince everybody to test it and make it good enough for everyone, instead of having 5 of them ? Well said!!! I think we should use a voting system (like the RPM package voting in the MandrakeClub) which narrows down the top apps like e-mail, browser, news reader, text editor, etc. Having a default application and maybe one alternative (second runner up) would help reduce confusion for newbies and make the distro more manageable size wise. The third and fourth tier softwares could then be available from a "Mandrake Updateable" website (kinda like the PLF and Texstar's stuff) using RPMDRAKE. This would be awesome! Great idea Warly! I think i agree for almost what i said, but i would remind you some stuff : as a scientist, i use specific applications which are not very useful in day-to-day usage (xmgrace, pybliographic, xdrawchem), so they will not collect enough votes. But these are mandatory for me and some others ... I think these applications should stay in the downloadable isos. For day-to-day applications, i think it could be a great idea to have two applications for each task (may be one for kde, the other for gnome). Other applications could be available via Mandrake Club if desired. It could be a good way to enrich the club's lack of attract (except for charity reasons) : here is a good way to improve the Club's attracting value. Stef *~~* Linux 2.4.19-16mdk #1 Fri Sep 20 18:15:05 CEST 2002 1:00pm up 13 days, 52 min, 3 users, load average: 1.00, 1.02, 1.02 I hate to say this, but in fact Lindows in version 3.0 is doing most of what we are doing in the Club as far as apckages, but giving one year access for those that buy systems with Lindows on, then selling at $99.00 per year for access after that. Essentially, $99.00 per user or machine per year would pay for a huge hunk of bandwidth. Am willing to stay at silver membership (cannot afford higher right now) but would suggest going to a level that cuts out the lowest level or where the lowest level cuts out library access for non-core upgrades and additional tested packages, starts at about $100.00 per year, and give 3-6 months access with a boxed set purchase. At that income\user point, most of the apps we are culling could be libraried on club mirrors and at that level, Mandrake could get a professional data librarian to track the main mirror(which in essence is why Lindows went to the software library concept, they run a limited number of very high speed and high capacity mirrors, and library memberships pay for a lot of the pure data handling costs (as opposed to dev costs). While I do not mean to suggest a me-too thing here, I do think the general principle holds water, with RPM and mirror content management a librarian kind of thing that the club could fund if done right. Down the line, we might build a Scientific ISO, a Media ISO, and use the category chunking to advantage as a library management thing-- if we get enough call to build an ISO, and enough users then download to pay for the cost of generating a valid tested ISO, then we could also sell same pre-burned as add-on packages. I am going to propose this also on the Club, see if can get a bunch of feedback. If you want, will echo that to AOLM NG also, see what the response is. John.
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 1028] [harddrake] New: My disc writer doesn't appearin Harddrake hardware list
[Bug 1028] wrote: https://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1028 Product: harddrake Component: harddrake Summary: My disc writer doesn't appear in Harddrake hardware list Version: 9.1-0.12mdk Platform: PC OS/Version: All Status: UNCONFIRMED Severity: normal Priority: P2 AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Connected on the second IDE plug, as a slave. It is an Hewlett Packard one, and I can mount it. what kind of information do you need? --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. Ok, can you tell us the model as well as the firmware rev from Windows??? HP has this habit of reissuing and revising firmware patches for older burners\writer\readers. I had an 8100i a while back, that had been firmware revised to be mmc2 compatible, and later a 9100n that I could burn to as a generic mmc2 and which no specific driver was known for in the hardware list. In quite a few cases, HP has had various others private label things for them. Most of the 9000 series responds to mmc2 compatible commands except where a firmware flash build error or burn error occurred. I ignored such as an analyst, as they met the base specs for mmc2 close to standard enough to be group-classed as mmc2 or mmc3 compatible. Both Stomp Click-N-Burn 2.0, based on licensed Veritas algorithms, and Easy CD Creator can burn to them, and Linux could also do so at about 1\2 rated capacity and ran them at full rotational speed at which speed they vibrated the computer case quite loudly. As Veritas knows very well how to talk to their firmware, maybe someone could talk to them about adapting their Linux HP driver solutions used for their software for burning with Mandrake over the long haul??? Right now Veritas is concentrating on backup solutions in re Linux, but most of their backup solutions can use CD-R or CD-RW as backup media-- they work closely with HP in regard to HP drives for backup, have for a long time. I now use TDK, because their drives more fully meet the mmc standard sets, does not step its rotational and burn speeds radically until over the 20X mark. I can say this, the packet to packet rates on a TDK 40x12x40x can be set to 20x and vary from 43x to 18x from one packet chunk to next and still not make coasters. The average overall ISO burn comes out to about 115% of rated speed chosen, and this brand is the only brand I can burn 90%+reliable ISO sets at 20X on B- media while my system is doing other things. I usually run burns with burnproof on. gCombust works fine with this drive over the 6+ months I have had it (TDK VeloCD 40x12x40x, which cost me far less than half the price of my older HP 9100 series). I have burned about 70 ISO sets of 3 CDs each with it. I THINK it is burning in a standards emulation mode in Linux, but emulates very well. It also is an unknown as to specific model, and TDK also tends to stick new capacities in firmware applied to older mech designs. John.
Re: [Cooker] Chanintech Apogee(7VJL) on board lan does not work
John Allen wrote: On Thursday 23 January 2003 12:19, Chmouel Boudjnah wrote: John Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: The via-rhine driver loads fine, and ifstatus says there is a link heartbeat, but no traffic ever goes through the interface. via-rhine works fine, are you sure you have your network properly configured ? Maybe it is just the Chaintech 7VJL then. (I have installed a 3Com card and it works fine). I have also tried the VIA driver from Chaintech, and the one directly from VIA, same result. It does however work perfectly under Windows XP. I hopefully will be getting another 7VJL, and if works on that I can just send the current one back. Thanks. Under THOSE circumstances, you might also see if the BIOS has the embedded LAN turned off. Linux can detect things that the computer BIOS will not flow data to, then users wonder why the heck data traffic cannot happen until they either use an add-on card or check the BIOS (sometimes in peripherals, sometimes advanced setup, sometimes PNP area). I have also had Linux not like defaulted resources that conflict but which windows treats as non-dedicated and uses with less efficiency if conflicted. I lost LAN, then sound, then both, and finally after telling my BIOS to reconfigure itself yet AGAIN (actually time 6, and a BIOS Flash) most conflicts were resolved and things worked in Linux. Chaintechs do this, some Soyo boards that are modern do this, Intel boards that are modern do this. The south bridges mitigate such things to a large degree, and I know this because of two things that area growing-in-frequency pattern: the BIOSs are coded to stack SB routed traffic first if must, and Windows uses SB drivers that turn conflicts over to the SB of modern boards rather than direct access. Internal to Windows the SB stacked IRQs are separated out, that is why you can see Windows using IRQs 16-20 internally these days-- this sacrifices efficiency per stream for compatibility with modern boards that in essence use the SB as a very good resource conflict mitigator for media and LAN data streaming, and they typically chunk USB into that, and firewire-- the combo of IRQ plus port set is used to determine what resource is wanted, not primarily just IRQ any more or IRQ foremost with I\O port second, they are used TOGETHER now. Over the long haul, linux will have to recognize changes that have descended into chipware and firmware. Thumbnail Linguistic XREF\Perspective: SOUTH BRIDGE is secondary chipset controller of resource flows, paired with North Bridge, or primary chipset controller. In England, it is called a southbridge by some, in the US two words are used for this chipset chip. In Europe, closest equiv. I can think of in English is Ancillary main chipset controller, or multimedia controller (while north bridge would be the main chipset controller). I would like to be enlightened as to how you folks differentiate the chips in a now-dual main-chipset board structure, so we can understand each other better. John.
Re: [Cooker] beta 2 review up
Charlie wrote: Before I started mucking around trying to make the system recognize the CD drives all that was in the append line of lilo.conf was: "devfs=mount hdd=ide-scsi" which is correct. That's my Mitsumi CR-4804 TE CD-RW. Harddrake still claimed that the CD-ROM drive (Liteon LTN 403L) was a scsi drive. and showed the CD-RW not at all. Plus I kept seeing this or something like it in the logs: Jan 21 13:04:02 localhost kernel: ide-scsi: hdc: unsupported command in request queue (0) Jan 21 14:31:18 localhost last message repeated 14 times Jan 21 14:42:38 localhost last message repeated 36 times Jan 21 14:53:40 localhost last message repeated 36 times which makes sense when the thing is mis-identified. Yes, this does make sense this way. Plus, I learn things this way, too (make suggestions given my level of knowledge, see why things work different by looking at replies and taking correction and amplification into account) ... :) Thanks. if there, remove, reboot 2-3 times and see if reappears. If is from a boot module, reboot should trigger recreate, if not then it might stay away. I chased every file I could think of all day trying to make things work correctly, then re-installed 9.1beta2 on a new 40 GB drive that had nothing on it at all. Same thing. The addition of hdc=ide-cdrom (thanks Pixel!) seems to have improved things. I'll report back after I reboot again since I just installed the latest initscripts. My fingers are crossed. grub.menu ditto. grub can grab data from lilo.conf if invoked\linked in after lilo was used for boot loader. John. Thanks John. If I think I can contrib, will try. Welcome for what little I could do.
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 986] [kdebase] New: 9.1beta2 gdm dialog in racewith shutdown/reboot
[Bug 986] wrote: https://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=986 Product: kdebase Component: kdebase Summary: 9.1beta2 gdm dialog in race with shutdown/reboot Version: 3.1-0.rc6.19mdk Platform: PC OS/Version: All Status: UNCONFIRMED Severity: major Priority: P2 AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm not sure where to submit this. It happens in both KDE and GNOME in 9.1beta2. If I select either "shutdown" or "reboot" from the KDE/GNOME Logout dialog, the graphical login prompt comes back up anyway and stays there. If I do a CTRL-ALT-BSP, the shutdown or reboot proceeds normally. However, I doubt that Joe Sixpack is going to know to do something like that. --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. Correct, now at the bottom of the graphical login screen the system button has the reboot and halt options, and those work anytime the graphical login is invoked(click system button, choose action). It looks like the mortar(scripts) processing the halt and reboot calls are not passing them to the gdm right so that things just continue toward the reboot or halt (German for American English shutdown). Essentially, desktop is shutting down, but the graphical login thing is now being just called, not an entry point into its appropriate action points as if the shutdown from desktop were being fully honored and acted upon. John.
Re: [Cooker] beta 2 review up
Charlie wrote: On Tuesday 21 January 2003 06:14 pm, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 01:09, Pixel wrote: Pixel - I'm not sure this is your / DrakX's fault =). I noticed Cooker starting doing this on my machine a few days back. I have a DVD-ROM / CD-ROM (no writing functions) as /dev/hdc on this machine, and a CDRW drive as /dev/hdd. Up until recently this was correctly setup by Cooker, with /dev/hdc left alone and the CDRW put through ide-scsi as /dev/scd0. However, just recently, for some reason, both of my drives are being run through the ide-scsi emulation, so now the DVD-ROM comes up as /dev/scd0 and the CDRW is /dev/scd1. I think it may be some kind of kernel bug - I think it started happening the last time I upgraded the kernel. Is anyone else in the same situation (with some CDRW drives and some not-RW drives) with the same issue? Unfortunately I don't know how ide-scsi is configured so I don't know where to start looking for the problem...:/ :-( try booting with "hdc=ide-scsi hdd=ide-cdrom" (or maybe hdd=ide-cd) Er, do you mean the other way around? As I said, it's hdc that's meant to stay as an IDE device, and hdd that's meant to be scsi-fied :). If you do, I'll try that out next time I reboot, and report back. I just did (both ways hdc=ide-cd and hdc=ide-cdrom) and there's no difference. Interesting thing though, now I get a red "failed" at the devfs mounting local filesystems "no medium found" warning. Floppy drive tries to run at boot now too. I have no access to any removable media now at all. The floppy may have been part of it previously. Yep, I just checked the copy of mtab I saved and what's at /etc/mtab now, the same exactly. What to look for now? check your lilo.conf or boot config module in MCC for an append request for hdc, i.e.: hdc=ide-scsi if there, remove, reboot 2-3 times and see if reappears. If is from a boot module, reboot should trigger recreate, if not then it might stay away. grub.menu ditto. grub can grab data from lilo.conf if invoked\linked in after lilo was used for boot loader. John. -- Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 974] [mount] New: fat32 filesytem mounted as world-writable
Dan Scott wrote: I agree with your evaluation, Pixel. Rationale: -- Worrying about a largely theoretical Linux virus seems pretty pointless. Let's think about the user base that we're targeting: * absolute beginners (the same ones likely to use autologin and msec 0): will want to browse through their FAT32 filesystem to load and edit their MS Word documents, then reboot into Windows for some other application where they may also load the same document in MS Word again, until they become accustomed to Linux and break ties with Windows. These users are quite unlikely to quickly figure out how to change the mount permissions, and not particularly likely to understand why they were prevented from writing to those files in the first place... if it's FAT32, in Windows they can delete pretty much anything they like. * power users: familiar with at least one desktop environment, able to find drakconf and change the permissions to lock themselves out of FAT32 partitions if they so desire (or able to browse the HOWTOs and learn enough to edit /etc/fstab to do the right thing) * LPIC-certified sysadmins: able to tweak /etc/fstab to their heart's content Just to get my own biases out of the way, I'm LPIC-1 certified, but (shh) probably closer to a power user than sysadmin. I would expect this kind of setting to be determined by msec, and/or easily tweakable through drakconf. Dan On Tue, 2003-01-21 at 20:05, Pixel wrote: "[Bug 974]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: The value of umask(=0) makes many system files on the FAT32 partition writable by a non-root linux user. This is very undesirable and risky. In the extreme case, a well-designed linux virus can easily damage the windows system files !! The proper solution to this is to change the umask value to 022 so that only root has write access to the FAT32 system. umask=0 is what people want AFAIK... cooker people, WYT? @resolution=invalid @product=Installation I agree with Dan in part. What I do to cope with this in part is: First, share only data files- that leaves older macro viruses, they tend to mostly corrupt files that are of the file type that the macro was written for, and the types I shared get scanned on open by NAV anyway. Actually, now I use only apps that run in Win4Lin 4.0. And they are writing data to directories that are actually on Ext3FS files systems. My /home is now huge, about 20 Gig. Secondly, I could in Windows simply select all files in a directory, remove the read only that previous versions of Mandrake marked said files, and edited to my content thereafter. Windows users with Linux multiboot who run ISOs or file sets in SAO or TAO with fixate to CD-RW also quickly catch on to the need to do this when transferring those to other boxes that need to be able to operate them. I do this 5-10 times a week-- not complaining, saying that Windows users will usually know how to fix with 3 mouse clicks in Windows. Thirdly, I tend to use RAV desktop AV in LINUX to check my pseudo FAT32 file subsystem encapsulated in four subtrees of my ext3 /home part, once a week or so(did this with my Windows true FAT32s before)-- and found nothing, nada for the month I have been doing so(this month from end of December 2002). 90% of Windows viruses primarily propagate from box to box by email, and while a novice might THINK something that said it was a Word doc trashed his machine, it was an executable encapsulation inside the doc that unarchived and acted. So, email AV scanning will break at entry for almost any known viruses. AND, RAV desktop for Linux has every def. that RAV fro mail servers has and every def. that the RAV for Windows has. AND, Windows viruses cannot trash Linux apps except those few that were ported with identical compromises built in and retained from other operating systems source apps. Documenting this triune strat might just help quell such things, and if Mandrake can partner to include a year of RAV desktop in PowerPack or PowerSuite that would probably complete a non-recoding full solution. John.
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 939] [Installation] Unable to configure Video server
[Bug 939] wrote: https://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=939 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-01-22 03:15 --- Valid for 9.1 beta 2 --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] description: 9.1 beta 2 - At Summary step of installation, video **NOT** configured so I attempted to do it manually. Found monitor (Dell P991), found adapter (GEForce DDR2), selected XFree 4.whatever. Configuration complains: "Server SVGA is not available. (should be in /mnt/usr/X11R6/bin/XFree86) I don't know if this is due to installer not starting network, or excessively tight security. (I'm seeing messages from lpinfo bitching about unable to connect to server: connection refused.) Booting to command line prompt, startx command fails Re: booting to command prompt, startx fails: Confirm existence, BUT, add this: booting into x by calling gdm works, ie I left X running (it was up, though in radically a wrong video mode with a"live" mouse cursor but no input accepted as a CLI entry would give with a failsafe after clicking on the console area), and just invoked gdm. A kdm call failed also, must have been an x-kdm related problem and not a pure X start problem. So, with a gdm call following a reboot after install first time session without telling the boot config wizard to boot into. Prelim primary drilldown hypothesis, kdm or linking to kdm from X broken as to video settings, kdm not coming up in 1024x768(as set by installer) and therefore not interacting right to the input, or not failsafe mode delineation for kdm's linkings that it will use. Lesser prob. possibility-- Geforce card was linked to default nv11 driver, possible that new kdm is optuned for the nVidia mfr drivers(kdm breaking against scripting and/or driver itself). I cannot drill further without comparison data. Data needed: Is anyone who is NOT using an nVidia card experiencing this??? John.
Re: [Cooker] diskdrake prob followed by maint session problem withsolution
Thomas Backlund wrote: From: "John Danielson, II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Any system that has EVER had a file system with Windows or DOS on it has the following part structure. Part #s 1-4 can be primary. Part #5 is always an extended part table to hold logical drives. Parts 6 and up can be logicals. | | And Windows allows for 4 primaries, not 3. So a mixed system or a | migrators system will have a mess. | You have misread the partition tables, or how it works... Windows/dos (or actually the partitioning scheme) does allow for 4 primaries, BUT the extended partition counts as one primary. You dot believe me? If so, it's easy to test ... 1. Create 4 primary partitions. (make sure you leave some empty space on the disk, for example 4 x 1GB partitions on a 10 GB disk leaves you with 6 GB of free space on the disk...) 2. Now try to make a extended partition... IT WON'T WORK 3. Remove one of the primary partitions. Now you can create an extended partition that uses the free space on the disk, that also allows you to make logical partitions... Thomas OK, point made, because I did that(I had thought the extended part table was a special case). However, some of what I was trying to say is that what linux sees as how Windows numbers things is that the extended table is always one up from that last created Primary, also. therfore, what happens when a windows tool is used to make Ext3 or Ext2 is that: If primary 1 and 2 exist, then extended part table is 3, first logical is 5, etc. If primary 1 exists, then extended part table is 2 and the logicals start at 5. diskdrake numbers it 4-- so long as only and forever Diskdrake works on parts, this is fine, but when it errors it does need something else to work on it to fix or the /etc/fstab manually revised after an e2fsck failure at boot. If a Windows or DOS based tool, including Ranish, sees a single primary, an extended numbered 4 and a logical numbered 5 it will says the chain is invalid. most GUI'd Windows tools will then invalidate the drive insofar as access is concerned. Linux Logical parts can live within a Win95 Ext'd LBA defined if they themselves each bound on CHS boundaries. User cannot calc those boundaries, new current HD have variable sectors per track-- either diskdrake talks to drive controller or it needs to use nearest pure cylinder bound less than user assigned space (calcing with avg. sectors\track will give a CHS bound, good enough). What does w newbie do when asking fro size of part??? 8,000,000 Kbytes is roughly 8Gig-- so he says 8,000 MB. Asks for that. PM 8.0 lets you drag, and shows you valid CHS boundary increments. Nice-- if use then part numbers change versus what /etc/fstab was written to reflect, things get mashed AGAIN until manual edit performed. Windows based tools that are backward compatible do this, and I also get different sized parts out of what diskdrake tells me while the windows tools tell exactly what the bound is by changing the size dynamically to show the revised size bounded to CHS. Newbie favors this info level, WILL use these tools if was a Windows power user tired of paying for Windows junk that crashes and has security holes that Linux does not (prime business motivator, and where Mandrake tends to get support funds, and where I KNOW RedHat gets support and training income). Easiest fix is to unhook the mount link by commenting it, then reboot and try to fix. Diskdrake erred, so newbie is GONNA try something else. Newbie likes GUIs-- is he gonna go for a CLI based thing that has no visual feedback and little validate before write?? No, he is not-- is he gonna pay for something obviously broken??? Half won't-- our market increase potential for Linux Mandrake as a whole just halved itself. I gotta sell Windows users on this thing, and if must say here is how you do this with windows tools to handle a diskdrake prob, they are not gonna use diskdrake, tell friends they can't cuz its broke, and the FUD starts, and Mandrake's rep suffers. The core user tools HAVE to be clear, clearly doced, with fallback recovery procedures in that doc-- procedures tuned for EASY. Two major areas picking up Linux use in my area-- Small businesses and end users, and both need things they can do for themselves, not things having to pay someone for tech support. I have a school district interested in the LTSP, but if a Parapro cannot maintain a HD with GUI'd Linux tools he is gonna use GUI'D windows tools that the district has on hand. Resulting conflicts between Mandrake's tools and other tools that can make valid Ext3 parts that linux can use will result in increased resistance to Linux rather than a ground swell, and where schools go there go our kids here for the most part -- another resistance to overcome. John.
Re: [Cooker] diskdrake prob followed by maint session problem withsolution
Pixel wrote: "John Danielson, II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: The commented line is what I had to pull to get the machine to boot past an ext2 fsck that said it could not find a superblock when I tried to boot the machine into Linux. [...] I was trying to use Diskdrake from the GUI when this happened, as any newbie would. so, as far as i understand, the bug is: when creating a partition on a live system with diskdrake, it writes the partition table, it writes the fstab, *but* it doesn't manage to format the partition because it wants to reboot first. is that it? if that's the pb, I thought it was fixed, *unless* you did resize a partition first. Summary: Write part table as Ext2Fs when Ext3FS type chosen. Fails to format-- errors and says it has to do so after reboot. Then wants to write fstab anyway. No resize. No extended part table anything else can recognize of common available tools a newbie would have handy. NOT FIXED! John. -- Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/
Re: [Cooker] diskdrake prob followed by maint session problem with solution
Pixel wrote: "John Danielson, II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Any system that has EVER had a file system with Windows or DOS on it has the following part structure. Part #s 1-4 can be primary. Part #5 is always an extended part table to hold logical drives. Parts 6 and up can be logicals. it really seems like we can't agree on terminology or ??? % fdisk -l /dev/sda [...] Device BootStart EndBlocks Id System /dev/sda1 1 2 16033+ 83 Linux /dev/sda2 * 3 263 2096482+ 83 Linux /dev/sda3 264 276104422+ 83 Linux /dev/sda4 277 1106 9755 Extended /dev/sda5 277 340514048+ 83 Linux /dev/sda6 341 353104391 82 Linux swap ... /dev/sda11 1013 1106755023+ 83 Linux parts #5-#11 are included in #4 And Windows allows for 4 primaries, not 3. So a mixed system or a migrators system will have a mess. You are using SCSI, me IDE also. fdisk -l /dev/hda Disk /dev/hda: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 9729 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes Device BootStart EndBlocks Id System /dev/hda1 * 1 1021 8201151 83 Linux /dev/hda2 1022 9729 69947010f Win95 Ext'd (LBA) /dev/hda5 1022 1071401593+ 82 Linux swap /dev/hda6 2960 3980 8201151 83 Linux /dev/hda7 1072 2959 15165297 83 Linux /dev/hda8 3981 5313 10707291 83 Linux /dev/hda9 5314 8513 25703968+ 83 Linux /dev/hda10 8514 8901 3116578+ 83 Linux /dev/hda11 8902 9729 6650878+ 83 Linux Partition table entries are not in disk order [root@ root]# fdisk -l /dev/hdb omitting empty partition (5) Disk /dev/hdb: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 4865 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes Device BootStart EndBlocks Id System /dev/hdb1 * 1 648 5205028+ 83 Linux /dev/hdb2 649 698401625 82 Linux swap /dev/hdb3 699 4865 33471396f Win95 Ext'd (LBA) /dev/hdb5 700 1606 7285414+ 83 Linux /dev/hdb6 1607 2368 6120702 83 Linux /dev/hdb7 2369 4865 20057121 83 Linux [root@ root]# fdisk -l /dev/hdd Disk /dev/hdd: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 7297 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes Device BootStart EndBlocks Id System /dev/hdd1 1 1021 8201151b Win95 FAT32 [root@ root]# where anything based on DOS or Windows sticks the extended is based on how many Primaries there are: What fdisk saw on theHD after diskdrake was done as I described was: hda1 / hda4 Extended hda5 /cookermirror (type unknown) as in /etc/fstab but hda5 was unformatted and marked as Ext2 when I told Diskdrake to use Ext3 here is the /etc/fstab [root@ root]# cat /etc/fstab /dev/hdb1 / ext3 defaults 1 1 # /dev/hda5 /Cookermirror ext3 noauto 1 2 none /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0 /dev/hdb7 /home ext3 defaults 1 2 none /mnt/cdrom supermount dev=/dev/scd0,fs=auto,ro,--,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,umask=0 0 0 none /mnt/floppy supermount dev=/dev/fd0,fs=auto,--,iocharset=iso8859-1,sync,codepage=850,umask=0 0 0 /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hd auto user,iocharset=iso8859-1,kudzu,codepage=850,noauto,umask=0,exec 0 0 /dev/hda1 /newslash ext3 defaults 1 2 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 none /tmp tmpfs defaults 0 0 /dev/hdb6 /usr ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/hdb5 /var ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/hdb2 swap swap defaults 0 0 [root@ root]# The commented line is what I had to pull to get the machine to boot past an ext2 fsck that said it could not find a superblock when I tried to boot the machine into Linux. BTW, Supermount WORKS on this P4 box, even in stock Mandrake 9.0. I was trying to use Diskdrake from the GUI when this happened, as any newbie would. John.
Re: [Cooker] diskdrake prob followed by maint session problem withsolution
Pixel wrote: "John Danielson, II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Something that just happened to me made me think that documenting a particular recovery process would help many people: How to get your /etc/fstab file edited from a floppy boot when your partitioning is set up to have a separate /usr part: Go into maintenance shell, as the e2fsck fails due to it thinking from the /etc/fstab that a partition is /dev/hda5 when it is /dev/hda6 (or some such radically wrong number, part 5 should always be the extended part table). [...] Just a thought, but could flesh out the procedure if wanted for newbie to know how to edit /etc/fstab from what a floppy boot drops to when an unrecoverable bad superblock error is triggered by diskdrake assigning /dev/hda5 to first extended part and not allowing for the extended part table(and then erroring as it is created, but still offering to write the /etc/fstab, which I did let it do last night at 1 AM). diskdrake defaults optional things like /cookermirror to extended\logical type, but fails to set up an exclusion of part 5 for the extended part table and writes a /dev/hda5 entry in /etc/fstab for the new part if it is the first logical created on a physical disk-- sheesh. Then it decides the extended part table has a bad superblock because is trying to use it as a partition that can be read to and written to directly. i'm missing something. what is this "part 5 being special"? Any system that has EVER had a file system with Windows or DOS on it has the following part structure. Part #s 1-4 can be primary. Part #5 is always an extended part table to hold logical drives. Parts 6 and up can be logicals. Anyone with a multiboot box which has windows, or who never wiped the HD to retain data they wanted to still use with that data on FAT or FAT32 parts will end up using partition managers based on what they have. Things like PM 8, PM 7, anything based on a FAT O/S host, will indeed renumber a part 5 to 6 and encapsulate it in a part 5 that is a table showing start and end points of the logical drives within the extended partition. Relevance to us??? We have one HECK of a lot of migrators who like the GUI of Mandrake better than RedHat or others. Even Ranish Part does this, when you tell it you want a logical part it builds an extended shell for the logical, then builds the logical inside it. Diskdrake does not, and this is a migration issue not a pure Linux only issue-- but how many of us are discussing growth, the need for revenue, and the need to meet the needs of migrators to get more users??? Diskdrake offers a preference, and lists logical and primary. When I try to build a second part on a drive with one primary part, and the part name is one I type in, the following happens: 1. Part shows in display of parts as second part in line (fine, but I did not tell ti what kind, I let it default to whatever). I have told it type Ext3FS. 2. When I then tell it to format, it says you have to reboot before you can do this. 3. When it asks if you want the changes written to /etc/fstab, what will a newbie do??? Say ok, let it do that, probably-- nothing obvious tells him not to, he does not know the reason for or consequences of the failure to format. 4. Now, we have a problem-- the part table has a begin and end mark for an Ext type part (but everything I can use other than Diskdrake says it is actually a marked as type EXt2 in the part table itself on HD, not an Ext3 and /etc/fstab got written as if the part was there and valid as a type Ext3 as part 5(it assumed logical type, used part 5)). 5. So, newbie then gets out his faithful floppy bootable toolkit, the one he knows how to use-- the one that has DOS based Part tools in it. 6. He looks at his part, sees his tools not only think is wrong type, but that they will not format it, because no extended part table surrounds it. None of those tools have the ability to slightly relocate the existing part, encapsulate in an extended table, and make the table unnumbered, they all number it 5 in the master part table and do a chain pointer to begin of extended part table as begin of part 5 which to their eyes has no data except that table for logicals. So, he wipes it and reboots and runs into this catch 22 where fstab is now out if sync, or he creates the part in an extended as a logical and then the extended table start point ends up being primary 5 in the resulting part table, but Linux at boot is looking still for a data part in 5 because the fstab got written for a part that no longer exists. 7. Linux runs Ext2fs, Ext2fs fails because the extended part TABLE has no superblock and therefore it MUST be invalid. 8. Boot fails, newbie is caught in the catch 22 I proposed a document solution to get out of. 9. I, as a migrating newbie, lost about 300 hours of time (and about 5 GIG of data 6 times) figuring out what the heck w
[Cooker] diskdrake prob followed by maint session problem with solution
Soemthing that just happened to me made me think that documenting a particular recovery process would help many people: How to get your /etc/fstab file editted from a floppy boot when your partitioning is set up to have a seperate /usr part: Go into maintenance shell, as the e2fsck fails due to it thinking from the /etc/fstab that a partition is /dev/hda5 when it is /dev/hda6 (or some such radically wrong number, part 5 should always be the extended part table). type /bin/cat /etc/fstab find which part has /usr and mount it now type /usr/vi /etc/fstab OR type /usr/emacs-nox /etc/fstab comment out the offending part spec. POINT, you might be dropped in a maint shell and have a situation where your file editors are in /usr and /usr is not mounted and you need to figure out what part /usr is on to mount it. SUGGESTION: Stick an editor in /bin and document which one it is(vi would work, if man were accessible easily from a / only mounting in a maint shell). Most newbies do not know what usually is in the part of the / subtree on / part by default and quite a few read the NGs and are told to separate out /usr. I am also printing this for myself. Just a thought, but could flesh out the procedure if wanted for newbie to know how to edit /etc/fstab from what a floppy boot drops to when an unrecoverable bad superblock error is triggered by diskdrake assigning /dev/hda5 to first extended part and not allowing for the extended part table(and then erroring as it is created, but still offering to write the /etc/fstab, which I did let it do last night at 1 AM). diskdrake defaults optional things like /cookermirror to extended\logical type, but fails to set up an exclusion of part 5 for the extended part table and writes a /dev/hda5 entry in /etc/fstab for the new part if it is the first logical created on a physical disk-- sheesh. Then it decides the extended part table has a bad superblock because is trying to use it as a partition that can be read to and written to directly. John.
Re: [Cooker] install : automatic logon should be told "not recommended"
Pixel wrote: "John Danielson, II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: (which is what the login to KDE does) but DO go to the X-gui'd login. The first 10 installs I made of Mandrake got wiped because the video settings for X were scragged and I did not know how NOT to autoad KDE. in the old recommended mode, it was that way when it was decided "safe" to have X without asking. Just perspective. Wish list for longer term-- ask if the user has used Linux before first thing in install, then do certain things like forced\defaulted gui'd login but not a force\default to desktop if answer is no, and be more verbose about choices and logic for choosing if no or offer to show a tutorial (and recommend seeing it) before installing. the current trend is to remove the "recommended" install and have the option to choose expert choices in the dialog boxes (using the "Advanced" button). alas, this change impacts quite a lot of things... hopefully in the end there will be both freedom-of-choice and ease :-/ Actually, usually was able to get to the login if the X login was used-- it was a VESA video mode login. The problems I had came when the desktop manager did a mode and resolution shift (or X did) that caused a different pick from the refresh table, and the acceptable monitor ranges were out of bounds-- in one case, 2 KHz out of range for horizontal sync totally TRASHED display as the system load progressed and desktop inited. Since one can get to console from the X login screen a few ways, one does not need the option to autoload a desktop at all in the installer, IMHO. Simply set the X login to a lower res and color depth that is VESA if the video test failed-- branch past that setting of res only IF the video test suceeded. most video cards still in use can handle 640x480x256 (8 Bit) color, so poke a default like that, overwrite\replace after video test suceeds. No video test, default to fail action. A lot of pre-1996 monitors have a lack of a good versatile 800x600x16 bit mode set, and those things last so long if well treated that there are lots of them handed down and in use. Doing just that would eliminate the hardest thing for many newbies to grasp and work around-- video failure during boot(as THEY see it, boot ends when desktop is up and running). I agree about the recommended part, but the basic assumptions need to be filled in if the advanced button is not selected and choices not completed through any needed choice testing. Default minimal until better tested, insofar as video goes. I would myself just change recommended to basic or SAFER. John.
Re: [Cooker] install : automatic logon should be told "not recommended"
J. Greenlees wrote: Pixel wrote: Christophe Combelles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Matter of ergonomics : The automatic logon is not a very secure feature. [...] Either : Add the string "(not recommended)" just after the string "do you want to use this feature", to give the good advice, Or better : replace the two buttons "YES" and "NO" with two radio buttons "yes" and "no". The radion button enabled by default should be "no". And add a standard "next" button. So the user which does not understand this feature will just click on "next" and won't have this feature enabled, which is a good choice. i agree the ergonomics of this box is no good. but i do not agree this is that unsafe. i'd agree to add "(not recommended)" iff the user has a password-secured bootloader. and in that case, it's even better not to propose autologin :) for people new to linux from windows, the automatic login is what windows gives them. for single user home use it may not be as much a risk, which is where linux will have to get people from windows to expand user base. would definitely put a "not recommended for business/company/corporate computers" tag in. though most network admins should know that anyway. been discussing in a forum about linux/ windows, most windows users won't switch until point and click ui is all they have to deal with. maybe a single cd version set up for complete new users that gives them the mushroom treatment windows users are used to from ms. no options to speak of during install, no choice in ui, and set to runlevel 5 after install with automatic login. this would allow un-informed windows users to check Mandrake out in a way they are used to being treated. ;) (though I would recommend against completely removing their windows partitions during the install, even though windows would demand that any other partitions be rebuilt. As a Windows user from 3.0 up, AND as a Linux user for a couple years, I can tell you that what Windows users are used to is a graphical login, but do not need an autologin straight into a desktop for the most part in order to be comfortable. My Mandrake and Redhat installs do NOT go to a desktop autoload (which is what the login to KDE does) but DO go to the X-gui'd login. The first 10 installs I made of Mandrake got wiped because the video settings for X were scragged and I did not know how NOT to autoad KDE. Just perspective. Wish list for longer term-- ask if the user has used Linux before first thing in install, then do certain things like forced\defaulted gui'd login but not a force\default to desktop if answer is no, and be more verbose about choices and logic for choosing if no or offer to show a tutorial (and recommend seeing it) before installing. John.
Re: [Cooker] gcombust - wrong written amount bad directories in image
Lyall Pearce wrote: I like using gcombust but ever since mdk 8 (it used to work in mkd 7.2), it has not quite functioned correctly. The progress window of a burn is off. (1mb of 5.8mb instead of 10mb of 580mb for example) It does not affect the operation of the program, it just detracts from the whole experience - particularly if you are showing someone how you burn CDs. I checked the rpms and there do not seem to be any updates I have found. gcombust-0.1.52-1mdk mkisofs-1.15-0.a32.1mdk cdrecord-1.11-0.a32.amdk Thanks for any help. ...Lyall Yes, my gCombust does similar things. The third digit (1s digit) of the MBs burn of is missing, and the second digit (10s digit) of the total is missing-- but only on the dialog=type child window. The lower layer messages in the message pane in the main window show the right figures when things are complete. And the burns are great. This happens in both KDE and Gnome on my box. John.
Re: [Cooker] Prepare for the onslaught.
Buchan Milne wrote: On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, [iso-8859-1] G?tz Waschk wrote: Do we really want a distro that will install on fewer machines than Windows XP, Redhat 8.1, SuSE 8.2, Lycoris, Lindows and Solaris 9 Intel??? No, but you still can install from network or hd. True, but chances are that if a user has a CD-ROM drive that won't read a 700MB ISO, hd install may not be that easy (first have to download the files which can't be read from the CD, or the whole tree, in both cases assuming there is sufficient space on the hard disk). But if this problem is easily solvable, it should be done. Warly??? What says Mandrakesoft? (Or is there anyone else not convinced 700MB ISOs are a bad idea?) (Of course, for betas which ship only one ISO, 700MB ISOs are probably ok, since the user probably had to download the ISO anyway, and could do an HD install from the ISO, in fact I plan on doing that today if I have time. But beta testers are usually better customers than boxed-set buyers) Buchan Buchan: There are three ways around this that I can think of: Any burner can also read, and read CDs as big as it can burn, and read every format it can burn. The last three times I stuck Mandrake into a box, it was by using the burner to read the CDs it had burnt many days before. Any DVD player can read CDs also. A floppy boot image could be modified so all files from CD were batch-copied to HD, as a tree. Then the boot from the revised floppy image cut to floppy will bypass the pure boot issue totally. Pentium class machines, which Mandrake is tuned to, yes??, generally are recent enough to have recent HDs. If, then, they cannot boot to CD at all, the user will probably find he has either a dirty CD media, a dirty CD laser lens head, a dirty reflecting mirror inside drive, a bad cable, or a bad stick of RAM in the box, or that the jumpering of CD or HD is wrong-- 99% of Pentium class boxes CAN boot from floppy if a very old CD-ROM drive was not grandfathered into the box and a decent cable. Way 4-- borrow a CD-ROM drive temporarily from another box, or install Mandrake on the HD that belongs on the target box in a box with a Cd-ROM drive that can boot. Let's say, for example, that we went to 4 download images at 650 MB. not only does one than have more to download because of the TOC needed in each archive being one more than if the set were fit onto 3 700 MB images, but the likelyhood of four download sessions instead of three increases the likelyhood of needing to redownload one ISO and also the time to check increase because now there are four ISO to check. I would offer a set of 650's as well as a set of 700's, but for shipment or club only, and make it a slightly more limited set and stated as such (3 CDs only). The rest can be grabbed on the web, yes those who have read capability for the bigger archives can grab bigger archives adn be happy with a more fully fledged set of files they know are good, and those who choose to rely on the web can take the chance of repeated reacquisition of archives made needful due to the fact that ftp can be locally or remotely fallible, or fallible in transit. John.
[Cooker] confirm 9f6c1768ded85e0807f19d3d5b27f7d9
Guillaume Rousse wrote: I'm unable to print a complete document at once. Printer output 20 first pages, then stop. I've tried to print following page by specifying a range in xpp, but all i got are two to six pages bunch each time, whereas full document is 196 pages long... Document is a pdf file converted to ps by pdf2ps. Guillame, This may at first sound dumb-- BUT, the PDFs I print take up huge amounts of RAM and it looks like CUPS is not calling for swap memory as needed, or ghostscript is not, or the lpd is not. I typically run into this when top says that I have less than ten MB RAM open (of 1 GIG) and find that resetting cups by force fixes: service -f cups About 7\8 of the time, every apparently hung job then merrily comes out of whichever of my my printers it is sent to. I think this may be at least partly a RAM and lpd issue, not a pure CUPS issue(though cups locks, it may not be code in cups itself, it may simply be seeing a paused printer as lpd hangs for lack of work space in RAM). Can't prove it, but the same things for the same reasons have happened in a lot of other operating systems and on other platforms and there sometimes the PORT driver had to be unlocked by reinitializing and things then sometimes continued. I have gone into top and found mutliple instances of: parallel cups lpr running when this happens, and usually fully restarting the cups service as above fixed this also usually. John Danielson. --- Begin Message --- Guillaume Rousse wrote: I'm unable to print a complete document at once. Printer output 20 first pages, then stop. I've tried to print following page by specifying a range in xpp, but all i got are two to six pages bunch each time, whereas full document is 196 pages long... Document is a pdf file converted to ps by pdf2ps. Guillame, This may at first sound dumb-- BUT, the PDFs I print take up huge amounts of RAM and it looks like CUPS is not calling for swap memory as needed, or ghostscript is not, or the lpd is not. I typically run into this when top says that I have less than ten MB RAM open (of 1 GIG) and find that resetting cups by force fixes: service -f cups About 7\8 of the time, every apparently hung job then merrily comes out of whichever of my my printers it is sent to. I think this may be at least partly a RAM and lpd issue, not a pure CUPS issue(though cups locks, it may not be code in cups itself, it may simply be seeing a paused printer as lpd hangs for lack of work space in RAM). Can't prove it, but the same things for the same reasons have happened in a lot of other operating systems and on other platforms and there sometimes the PORT driver had to be unlocked by reinitializing and things then sometimes continued. I have gone into top and found mutliple instances of: parallel cups lpr running when this happens, and usually fully restarting the cups service as above fixed this also usually. John Danielson. -- Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ --- End Message ---
Re: [Cooker] bugzilla and bugstatus
Quel Qun wrote: On Thu, 2003-01-02 at 17:16, Steffen Barszus wrote: Hi ! I wonder how many votes a bug needs to get confirmed status, and how I can influence a bug to be confirmed. I've reported some bugs some time ago and the still are in status unconfirmed. As long as they are unconfirmed they are ignored right ? I'm namely interested in bugs 634-636. So if someone can state on this ... ?! It needs one vote to be confirmed and its status switched to new. And how does one take the verbal confirm as comment one of bug 634 as of 14.12.02 and tell the person to please vote??? that person suggested pushing it to "confirmed" as they knew it existed since version 7.2. I would like to know how to vote also, please???
[Cooker] Ping Till-- ML-1210 defaults....
Please update the following: defaults for the ML-1210 Samsung, using "gdi" are as follows (only things that print on the align.ps that is now on linuxprinting.org that had to be altered to get mine working, 350 pages later are shown, other variables correct). MFR says: ml 12.02 mb 12.02 mr 12.02 mt 12.02 and with this the random locks that require a service -f cups and a hard printer power cycle to overcome disappear, but: printing anything piped to lpr in console prints shifted left by a bunch-- I used man pages to get the left alignment approximate, alternating with the alignmargins script you posted on linuxprinting.org. (downloaded 30.12.2002), and had the following m variables when I called it quits: Margins (x,y) -79.01, -77.01 ml-mt Same as mfr above. This yields perfect positioning from anything in X\KDE and a slight 1\2 char dropout on left side of any man page for the outdented header and subheader lines only. The rules show I am getting an effective 600x780 printout area on page with all margins (physical print area) varying from each other less than 1\64th" and the rotational skew is zero this way. I have the bottom arrows not quite square to bottom of printed corners, and the scale says the bottom printed edge would be _below bottom_ of my physical US letter pages (which are physically 21.75 cm by 28.00 cm) by .2 cm if the margin of physical print at bottom were not .5cm or about 5\64". Was this align.ps calibrated for an A4 page of paper??? Or a Legal size piece of paper current calibration needs to be worked on. I was calibrating at 600x600, which is highest density this printer can handle. hookup of the Samsung ML-1210 was to /dev/lp0 and not /dev/usb/lp0 or lp1 (my Stylus likes /devusb/lp0 adn cUPS and lpr go nuts when two drivers are hooked to same physical port driver, so the stylus gets the usb so I can use a 2 M long cable with it-- the Samsung is about 2.75 M away from main computer box location, so am using an IEEE1284 ~3 M (10 feet) with the Samsung that is a Belkin twisted pair solution for low signal loss) This page also printed this tall on my Epson stylus C80, so either we have a tib of vertical height exaggeration to deal with or the align.ps page is too high by a tib (my Stylus just used a zero top edge margin, it can print topedge-to-bottomedge under right circumstances (1440x720, but not highest quality submode). With the default settings of all zeros for the margins as given in the included-with-MDK 9.0 ppd for this printer, the align.ps prints exactly once with the output rotated about 5 degrees clockwise before the printer locks(lock solution-- reboot or restart cups AFTER power cycling printer(I finally copied the mfr's ppd from the mfr's driver CD to the HD, and renamed it Printer.ppd) as this is my default printer. BTW, I had to copy align.ps to the same directory as alignmargins to get alignmargins to run, the line that included Find "aelign.ps"(the ae was a Latin special character ae) needless to say did not work at all until modified to find "align.ps" with the file to be found in the same directory as alignmargins. (/usr/sbin is where old one was, new one got stuck in after old one got mv'd to be oldalign). If this is the wrong place for this, let me know what email you want it sent to, OK? i figured this needed some rebrewing Nicely done other than vertical aspect of align.ps and also the ML-1210 stock base specs. John Danielson.
