Re: [Elecraft] WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

[Jim Brown]

On 7/29/2014 5:15 AM, w1gd via Elecraft wrote:

When we tested with the non-K3 from the same location
with the same beam heading, the phase noise was not a significant problem.
If we reduced the K3 output to 30 watts, there was no problem. Fortunately,
we were able to change out the original K3 with another K3 and that
significantly reduced the problem.


Hi Gerry,

Thanks for the info. As the ARRL data shows, phase noise performance of 
the K3 that's working right is quite a bit better than any other modern 
rigs out to 1 MHz, but that's as far as ARRL's published data goes. If 
it was my K3, it would have gone back to Elecraft as soon as I could get 
it there after the contest, even handing to them in their booth. :)


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

[w1gd via Elecraft]

I was a WRTC 2014 volunteer responsible for overseeing 4 different stations. 
Of the 8 radios at these stations, 6 were K3s.  Before the contest started,
we did have a significant issue with phase noise interference from one of
the K3s on 15M when that station was beaming toward the adjacent station
(also receiving on a K3).  The interference made 15M unusable at the
adjacent station.  When we tested with the non-K3 from the same location
with the same beam heading, the phase noise was not a significant problem.
If we reduced the K3 output to 30 watts, there was no problem. Fortunately,
we were able to change out the original K3 with another K3 and that
significantly reduced the problem.

I have used my K3 at a 160M multi-op station and recognzie how important it
is to properly set up the AGC parameters to allow two radios to be on the
same band.  Since we were able to resolve the problem to the competitors
satisfaction, I didn't probe any further into the setting of the K3s.

Gerry, W1GD



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Re: [Elecraft] WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

[K8JHR]

On 7/28/2014 8:45 AM, N4OI - Ken wrote:

Perhaps this is discussed somewhere in the thread, but I am surprised by the
lack of Flex SDRs in the mix.  I would have thought at least a few would be
there for PR, if no other reason.


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There is an article that addresses the earlier Flex products, which 
shows the Flex 1500 and Flex 3000 to be... well... kinda punk in the 
noise department.



http://sm5bsz.com/dynrange/dubus313.pdf


No doubt it would be swell if all radios could be included, but I 
believe this is a HUGE time consuming job mining data by sifting through 
all those old reviews and selecting the correct data, and then even more 
time to plot them in a consistent manner.


I am not sure there is data on all rigs of interest, and the newest Flex 
radios revealed at Dayton have yet to be reviewed, heck it takes 8 to 9 
months for a new rig to get reviewed in QST magazine.  It takes time to 
test, and issue content is lined up months in advance.  I had a piece 
published in the Nov 2013 QST magazine, but it has been submitted 11 
months earlier.


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Re: [Elecraft] WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

[Bill Frantz]

The West Valley Amateur Radio Association operating as K6EI and 
W6ZZZ (GotA) had a similar experience. We operated 6AB-QRP with 
CW, SSB and digital HF stations. We used K3s and KX3s 
exclusively. Our antennas were arranged in a line to minimize 
interference. We would often have CW, digital, and SSB on the 
same band. In operating the digital station, I never noticed the 
CW people. The only way I noticed the SSB people was by 
overhearing their sound waves from the tent next door. :-)


73 Bill AE6JV

On 7/27/14 at 7:40 PM, k2av@gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) wrote:


This is something the North Carolina PVRC group that did field day
together north of Raleigh already knew about K3's vs. the world from a
pile of experiences.  We had five or six K3's available to us, and we
went purely with the K3's on HF in the 3A class.  We had a little
horizontal physical spread to help out, but we often had both CW and
SSB on the same band at the same time due to the conditions, and one
could not hear the co-band K3.


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Re: [Elecraft] WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

[N4OI - Ken]

Perhaps this is discussed somewhere in the thread, but I am surprised by the
lack of Flex SDRs in the mix.  I would have thought at least a few would be
there for PR, if no other reason.

73



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Re: [Elecraft] WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

[K8JHR]

Hi Jim - will you be adding the spectral display graphs of "transmitter 
composite noise testing"  which appear in the various product reviews to 
your summary?


If so, I will help mine the graphs from the reviews, if that will ease 
some of the work load.   I know that takes serious time.


-- K8JHR 





On 7/27/2014 8:25 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

  I replotted ARRL test data for key clicks and TX phase noise.

I'm not going to stop there,


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Re: [Elecraft] WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

[Jim Brown]

On 7/27/2014 9:23 PM, Igor Sokolov wrote:

Jim,
Thank you. Very persuading comparison.
Could you possibly add some modern SDR based rigs to the comparison?


Hello Igor,

So far, I've not bothered to look at the older ones, having read this 
work, and ARRL has not reviewed anything since the Flex 3000 in 2009.  
For that one, keying looks like the middle of "middle of the pack" rigs, 
phase noise is about -120 dBC all the way out to 1 MHz.


http://sm5bsz.com/dynrange/dubus313.pdf

I've seen predictions that the newer rigs will be better.

73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

[Jim Brown]

On 7/27/2014 9:23 PM, Ed Muns wrote:

I believe that the best logger for you is the logger that works best for
you, not the logger that works best for someone else, or is the most popular
logger among contesters.


I agree completely. And the logger that is best for you is usually the 
one that you know so intimately that everything is completely 
instinctive. That takes lots of operating time!


Because I'm happy with N1MM, and because it doesn't do CQP, I haven't 
bothered to study WinTest. I'd be interested to hear from WinTest users 
what they view as its advantages. The only things I've heard so far is 
that networking is quite solid and that the UI is very much like one of 
the popular DOS programs.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

[Ed Muns]

I'm partial to the comments below.  While I prefer Win-Test for CW (and SSB)
contesting, I strongly prefer WriteLog for RTTY contesting.  N1MM Logger is
a close second for RTTY.  At the same time, I have to acknowledge that the
current SO HP World Record holder in the CQ WW RTTY Contest used Win-Test.
;>)

I believe that the best logger for you is the logger that works best for
you, not the logger that works best for someone else, or is the most popular
logger among contesters.

Ed W0YK



Joe W4TV wrote:

On 2014-07-24 12:56 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
> And also note that WinTest was number one logging software.

Only due to two accidents - the large number of European teams and that
WRTC does not include any RTTY component.  When one looks at teams from
the Americas, N1MM Logger was the more popular logger.  When one looks
at the top performers in digital mode contests the results show a much
higher percentage of N1MM logger and WriteLog users.

Win-Test has its pace if one is stuck on a user interface from the last
century and is only concerned for CW (not that either is necessarily
bad).

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Re: [Elecraft] WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

[Igor Sokolov]

Jim,
Thank you. Very persuading comparison.
Could you possibly add some modern SDR based rigs to the comparison?

73, Igor UA9CDC
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On 7/27/2014 3:19 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:

I think that most are looking for something the K3 WRTC numbers are
not telling. I rather doubt that people went out and bought them for
the WRTC.  With those kinds of numbers, the market had already made
its decision a long time ago.


Well, a certain portion of the market certainly has -- those need a high 
performance rig for use under demanding conditions, including those of a 
contest multi-op.


Egged on by a discussion on another email relector, I replotted ARRL test 
data for key clicks and TX phase noise. I'm not going to stop there, but 
the results so far tell a large part of the story.


k9yc.com/TXNoise.pdf

Consider it a work in progress. ARRL publishes its data in the form of 
graphs pretty small, and in some cases with too-wide ranging scales, so it 
takes a lot of practice to get data within +/- 1.5 dB.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

[Ed Muns]

There were 1-2 Yaesu radios that did not have the after-market key click mod
and were causing tremendous unnecessary QRM to other WRTC stations.  Those
radios were detected in the Friday setup period and swapped out to eliminate
the QRM.

The 65 WRTC sites (only 59 actually used) were spread out over a distance of
80 miles, from the southern NH border to the entrance to Cape Cod in
southern MA.  There were some clusters of sites where 15 or so WRTC stations
were located just a couple thousand yards from each other.  The 100 watt
power limit helped a bit, too.

Ed W0YK



Fred K6DGW wrote:

The one factor that using different radios does not control for is 
spurious emissions such as key clicks and phase noise.  There *is* a 
wide difference in those between the radios.  Don't know if that would 
turn out to be an issue in the WRTC environment, although I sure know it 
was when my "neighbor" Jack, KF6T, was running a Yaesu rig with serious 
phase noise problems.  Of course, if clicks and phase noise was an issue 
at WRTC, it would impact everyone else negatively.

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Re: [Elecraft] WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

[Guy Olinger K2AV]

Thank you for the graphs.

This is something the North Carolina PVRC group that did field day
together north of Raleigh already knew about K3's vs. the world from a
pile of experiences.  We had five or six K3's available to us, and we
went purely with the K3's on HF in the 3A class.  We had a little
horizontal physical spread to help out, but we often had both CW and
SSB on the same band at the same time due to the conditions, and one
could not hear the co-band K3.

So I knew what to expect from your curves on the K3.

73, Guy K2AV


> Egged on by a discussion on another email relector, I replotted ARRL test
> data for key clicks and TX phase noise. I'm not going to stop there, but the
> results so far tell a large part of the story.
>
> k9yc.com/TXNoise.pdf
>
> Consider it a work in progress. ARRL publishes its data in the form of
> graphs pretty small, and in some cases with too-wide ranging scales, so it
> takes a lot of practice to get data within +/- 1.5 dB.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

[Walter Underwood]

Thank you. I’ve done this by eyeball for pairs of rigs, but this really helps. 
It is a huge chunk of work to compile this.

“Thanks” seems inadequate,

wunder
K6WRU
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On Jul 27, 2014, at 5:25 PM, Jim Brown  wrote:

> On 7/27/2014 3:19 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
>> I think that most are looking for something the K3 WRTC numbers are
>> not telling. I rather doubt that people went out and bought them for
>> the WRTC.  With those kinds of numbers, the market had already made
>> its decision a long time ago.
> 
> Well, a certain portion of the market certainly has -- those need a high 
> performance rig for use under demanding conditions, including those of a 
> contest multi-op.
> 
> Egged on by a discussion on another email relector, I replotted ARRL test 
> data for key clicks and TX phase noise. I'm not going to stop there, but the 
> results so far tell a large part of the story.
> 
> k9yc.com/TXNoise.pdf
> 
> Consider it a work in progress. ARRL publishes its data in the form of graphs 
> pretty small, and in some cases with too-wide ranging scales, so it takes a 
> lot of practice to get data within +/- 1.5 dB.
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

[Jim Brown]

On 7/27/2014 3:19 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:

I think that most are looking for something the K3 WRTC numbers are
not telling. I rather doubt that people went out and bought them for
the WRTC.  With those kinds of numbers, the market had already made
its decision a long time ago.


Well, a certain portion of the market certainly has -- those need a high 
performance rig for use under demanding conditions, including those of a 
contest multi-op.


Egged on by a discussion on another email relector, I replotted ARRL 
test data for key clicks and TX phase noise. I'm not going to stop 
there, but the results so far tell a large part of the story.


k9yc.com/TXNoise.pdf

Consider it a work in progress. ARRL publishes its data in the form of 
graphs pretty small, and in some cases with too-wide ranging scales, so 
it takes a lot of practice to get data within +/- 1.5 dB.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

[Guy Olinger K2AV]

I think that most are looking for something the K3 WRTC numbers are
not telling. I rather doubt that people went out and bought them for
the WRTC.  With those kinds of numbers, the market had already made
its decision a long time ago.

I know some who borrowed K3 and/or P3 for the contest. That means
those skilled operators had other rigs but *wanted* the K3/P3.

The rest (vast majority) already owned them.  In those cases, it's the
rig they bought for themselves, or they had multiple rigs and *wanted*
the K3/P3 for the WRTC.

As a piece of market research, that list should be (and is) terrifying
to other manufacturers. Usually when a single brand/model has such a
huge penetration of top echelon operators, the competition will take
decades to change minds in the market.  The only comparable historical
dominance of this sort is Collins Radio, which eventually lost out to
Yakencom because the Collins transistor offerings were ridiculously
expensive. The Yakencom radio which pushed up market penetration among
contesters was the FT1000MP. Interestingly, among all I know who
do/did have MP's for contesting and upgraded, 90+ percent of those
went to K3's.

As to the technical advantages of the K3, most of my own K3's observed
advantages probably would not show up using the WRTC antenna package.
That is after all an intentional "little pistol" setup. The well known
clean performance of K3's in multi- and close station immunity is very
useful there, but some newer Yakencom are quite good there as well.

If you run a five element 40m wide spaced quad on a 190 foot catenary
trained on Europe, and place an MP side-by-side with a K3, the
enormous difference shows immediately. Even if Yakencom comes out with
an intermediate price unit with somewhat better performance there, The
K3 has a better version of the VHS over Betamax advantage, plus the
huge advantage of the proven, now trusted Elecraft responsiveness to
customer issues. A case can be made that the latter was the biggest K3
competitive advantage.

It should be obvious and without argument that the K3 far and away has
THE market penetration among serious contesters, regardless of how one
might explain it. That is true even without the WRTC numbers, just not
so visible and in-your-face obvious.

73, Guy K2AV

PS, I got my taste for KoolAid as a kid, long before I was interested
in any kind of radios.  The inference that all KoolAid is spiked with
Cyanide is an insult to the memory of my registered nurse mother, who
would do just about anything to keep her kids hydrated out in the hot
New Mexico desert sun, sometimes including her own variety of KoolAid
made from scratch.  Jim Jones was an idiot and ruined a perfectly good
concept.

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Re: [Elecraft] WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

[Igor Sokolov]

IMHO the most of those participants who had to travel long way have chosen 
the lightest out of the best radios. And K3 is unbeatable in that respect.


Unfortunately in WRTC2014,  locations were much different and very often 
that was the most important factor affecting the final standing.

"You can't work them if you don't hear them"
See these HFTA plots for comparison.

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According to those  who participated both in WRTC 2010 and WRTC 2014, the 
former was much more level field in that respect.
Besides radio and operating skill one had to pull out right operating 
position. And this explains why some top notch ops like for example CT1BOH 
or ES5TV are well below the middle of the list in the final standing this 
year.



73, Igor UA9CDC 


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Re: [Elecraft] WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

[Milt -- N5IA]

Fred,

Not really.  It would very much effect those individual stations in the 
respective close area 'group' of the offending transmitter.  And there were 
three of four fairly large 'groups' of stations.


The other groups and the more widely spread stations would not be affected 
with the exception of perhaps on 80 Meters.


73 de Milt, N5IA

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Fred, K6DGW commented:

Of course, if clicks and phase noise was an issue
at WRTC, it would impact everyone else negatively.

73,

Fred K6DGW
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Re: [Elecraft] WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

[Fred Jensen]

I think you're correct Dave.  Unlike all other contests, WRTC is 
refereed and everyone uses identical antennas and power ... about as 
level a playing field as you could ever create.  WRTC *is* structured to 
focus on operator skills vs station excellence, 100W is 100W in that 
situation, it doesn't really matter which rig generated the RF. 
Mandating a specific radio would put all the ops who don't use that 
radio in everyday contesting at a big disadvantage.


There could be some small advantages on receive, I imagine they were 
confronted with pile-ups earlier in the contest, but eventually, they 
likely worked everyone they heard, and I doubt there would be much 
difference in what one could hear on a K3 vs a 7600, FT1000, or other 
radios.  They're all either current state-of-the-art radios or close.


The one factor that using different radios does not control for is 
spurious emissions such as key clicks and phase noise.  There *is* a 
wide difference in those between the radios.  Don't know if that would 
turn out to be an issue in the WRTC environment, although I sure know it 
was when my "neighbor" Jack, KF6T, was running a Yaesu rig with serious 
phase noise problems.  Of course, if clicks and phase noise was an issue 
at WRTC, it would impact everyone else negatively.


73,

Fred K6DGW
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On 7/25/2014 3:43 PM, dave wrote:

I think that the rig is not very important. One tidbit to support this
theory, although far from conclusive, is to compare what happened to the
OE3DIA team in 2010 vs 2014.

In 2010 there was a nasty lightning storm the took out both of this
teams K3's. They were knocked out about 1 hour into the contest. But
Yaesu had some reps on site and they had a pair of FT857's which they
loaned to the team. They lost about an hour in the switchover. So they
ran for 23 hours while the other teams ran for 24.

If you compare their score at the end of the contest to the other teams
after 23 hours (the hour-by-hour scores was available on the Russian web
site for a while after the contest) they were in about the middle of the
pack. This is using K3's for 1 hour and FT857's for 22 hours.

In 2014 I see no notes about anyone suffering such a loss and the OE3DIA
team finished 22nd out of 59. Again about the middle of the pack. I
think this somewhat better than their 23 hour comparison in 2010, but
not a lot better.

This would tend to indicate that - when in the hands of very competent
operators - a pair of lowly FT857's is nearly as good as a pair of K3's.

Now, don't get me wrong here, I'm not saying the FT857 is as good as a
K3, it is *not*. No doubt about that. In fact, it is not as good as a
K2. I have those two sitting here side by side and I can assure you that
the K2 is the superior rig. What it says to me is that the K3 and others
of its class are somewhat overkill. The lowly FT857 is 'nearly good
enough'. Certainly not great, but 'nearly good enough'.

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Re: [Elecraft] WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

[dave]

I think that the rig is not very important. One tidbit to support this 
theory, although far from conclusive, is to compare what happened to 
the OE3DIA team in 2010 vs 2014.


In 2010 there was a nasty lightning storm the took out both of this 
teams K3's. They were knocked out about 1 hour into the contest. But 
Yaesu had some reps on site and they had a pair of FT857's which they 
loaned to the team. They lost about an hour in the switchover. So they 
ran for 23 hours while the other teams ran for 24.


If you compare their score at the end of the contest to the other 
teams after 23 hours (the hour-by-hour scores was available on the 
Russian web site for a while after the contest) they were in about the 
middle of the pack. This is using K3's for 1 hour and FT857's for 22 
hours.


In 2014 I see no notes about anyone suffering such a loss and the 
OE3DIA team finished 22nd out of 59. Again about the middle of the 
pack. I think this somewhat better than their 23 hour comparison in 
2010, but not a lot better.


This would tend to indicate that - when in the hands of very competent 
operators - a pair of lowly FT857's is nearly as good as a pair of K3's.


Now, don't get me wrong here, I'm not saying the FT857 is as good as a 
K3, it is *not*. No doubt about that. In fact, it is not as good as a 
K2. I have those two sitting here side by side and I can assure you 
that the K2 is the superior rig. What it says to me is that the K3 and 
others of its class are somewhat overkill. The lowly FT857 is 'nearly 
good enough'. Certainly not great, but 'nearly good enough'.


73 de dave
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On 7/25/14 2:44 PM, K8JHR wrote:

Shucks, fellers.  All that does not add up.

WE can rationalize this any way we like, but the fact is, 5 of the 6
best operators did not choose a K3, and I know least one other happy
K3 owner used a Brand-X radio for the competition, and in all of his
qualifying rounds.

Logically - If you say the rig does not matter, and it all turns on
operator skill ... then no one can brag about any particular radio
used in the competition for any reason.   We cannot have it both ways.
We cannot say the K3 is best because 70 percent of the field used one,
but it does not matter what the winners used, because after all, it
all turns on operator skill.   If the rig does not matter for the
winners, it does not matter for anyone.

So the unfortunate bottom line take-away is the top three teams used 5
5 ICOMS and one K3.

Again, if you claim the radio does not matter, then it does not
matter, and we cannot claim any victory for any rig used in the
contest.  That would be inconsistent.



Personally, I think the fact 70 percent of the field used the same
model radio is significant, although it may just prove it is easier
than other radios to ship and travel with.  Still... it is a big number.

Just MY take.
--- K8JHR  -





On 7/25/2014 8:27 AM, Barry wrote:

I agree completely.  The rig and logging software have very to do
with the
outcome.

The #1 team probably has a sore back and sore arms, from lugging
7800s there
:-)

Barry W2UP



Don Wilhelm-4 wrote

Yes, very interesting, and I think most of the credit goes to the
operators, rather than the radios.

However, the fact that a very large percentage of these top operators
*choose* to use the Elecraft K3 does say a lot about the
desirability of
the K3 for contesting.  Whether that be because of the weight, or
because of the performance and operating interface, you would probably
have to ask each K3 operator about his choice.

73,
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Re: [Elecraft] WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

[K8JHR]

Shucks, fellers.  All that does not add up.

WE can rationalize this any way we like, but the fact is, 5 of the 6 
best operators did not choose a K3, and I know least one other happy K3 
owner used a Brand-X radio for the competition, and in all of his 
qualifying rounds.


Logically - If you say the rig does not matter, and it all turns on 
operator skill ... then no one can brag about any particular radio used 
in the competition for any reason.   We cannot have it both ways.
We cannot say the K3 is best because 70 percent of the field used one, 
but it does not matter what the winners used, because after all, it all 
turns on operator skill.   If the rig does not matter for the winners, 
it does not matter for anyone.


So the unfortunate bottom line take-away is the top three teams used 5 5 
ICOMS and one K3.


Again, if you claim the radio does not matter, then it does not matter, 
and we cannot claim any victory for any rig used in the contest.  That 
would be inconsistent.




Personally, I think the fact 70 percent of the field used the same model 
radio is significant, although it may just prove it is easier than other 
radios to ship and travel with.  Still... it is a big number.


Just MY take.
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On 7/25/2014 8:27 AM, Barry wrote:

I agree completely.  The rig and logging software have very to do with the
outcome.

The #1 team probably has a sore back and sore arms, from lugging 7800s there
:-)

Barry W2UP



Don Wilhelm-4 wrote

Yes, very interesting, and I think most of the credit goes to the
operators, rather than the radios.

However, the fact that a very large percentage of these top operators
*choose* to use the Elecraft K3 does say a lot about the desirability of
the K3 for contesting.  Whether that be because of the weight, or
because of the performance and operating interface, you would probably
have to ask each K3 operator about his choice.

73,
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Re: [Elecraft] WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

[Arlen Fletcher]

A little number crunching of the results (because that sort of thing appeals to me... 
(the XYL says, "There's something seriously wrong with you.")) tends to support 
the idea that the hardware is not the primary factor for this contest. The results below 
are somewhat suspect in that only 'Radio 1' was considered, and all of the QSO's were 
attributed to that radio. (A better approach might be to split the number of QSO's 
between Radio 1 and Radio 2. I might dedicate some brain cycles to that.)
 
Interestingly, of the teams that made use of K3's for Radio 1, six of them used 
another brand for Radio 2, whereas teams that used something other than a K3 
for 'Radio 1' didn't (with only a single exception (W1B)) make use of a K3 for 
'Radio 2'. 
 
Given the number of K3's in the contest it's not surprising that 68% of all 
QSO's made were made by K3's. I hope the formatting holds for the table below. 
If it doesn't, e-mail me and I'll send you my spreadsheet.

Radio 1 Avg # QSOs  Avg Score   Avg CW QSOs Avg SSB QSOsAvg HQ 
QSOs Avg DX QSOs
FT1000D 3,564   4,212,430   2,230   1,334   145 204
FT1000MP3,935   4,900,036   3,208   727 136 219
FT3000  3,871   5,308,913   2,892   980 152 235
FTDX50003,910   5,330,219   2,968   942 157 240
IC756-3 4,285   5,982,317   3,039   1,246   153 243
IC7600  3,885    5,635,070  3,110   775 161 234
IC7800  4,382    5,808,693  3,656   726 167 250
K3  3,955   5,308,466   3,054   900 151 233
Orion II3,622   4,532,602   2,562   1,060   143 219
TS590   3,559   4,433,905   2,796   763 134 221

73
AA7F

On Jul 25, 2014, at 05:28 AM, Barry  wrote:

I agree completely. The rig and logging software have very to do with the
outcome.

The #1 team probably has a sore back and sore arms, from lugging 7800s there 
:-)


Barry W2UP



Don Wilhelm-4 wrote
       > Yes, very interesting, and I think most of the credit goes to the 
       > operators, rather than the radios.
       > 
       > However, the fact that a very large percentage of these top operators 
       > *choose* to use the Elecraft K3 does say a lot about the desirability of 
       > the K3 for contesting. Whether that be because of the weight, or 
       > because of the performance and operating interface, you would probably 
       > have to ask each K3 operator about his choice.
       > 
       > 73,

       > Don W3FPR





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Re: [Elecraft] WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

[Barry]

I agree completely.  The rig and logging software have very to do with the
outcome.

The #1 team probably has a sore back and sore arms, from lugging 7800s there 
:-)

Barry W2UP



Don Wilhelm-4 wrote
> Yes, very interesting, and I think most of the credit goes to the 
> operators, rather than the radios.
> 
> However, the fact that a very large percentage of these top operators 
> *choose* to use the Elecraft K3 does say a lot about the desirability of 
> the K3 for contesting.  Whether that be because of the weight, or 
> because of the performance and operating interface, you would probably 
> have to ask each K3 operator about his choice.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR





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Re: [Elecraft] WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

[Don Wilhelm]

Yes, very interesting, and I think most of the credit goes to the 
operators, rather than the radios.


However, the fact that a very large percentage of these top operators 
*choose* to use the Elecraft K3 does say a lot about the desirability of 
the K3 for contesting.  Whether that be because of the weight, or 
because of the performance and operating interface, you would probably 
have to ask each K3 operator about his choice.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/24/2014 3:15 PM, Al Lorona wrote:
  
This is very interesting. I've been thinking of all the ways you could spin this data other than simply counting radios. For example, Icom could say, "Five out of the top six winning radios were Icoms." Yaesu could say, "When Elecraft owner Martti Laine needed a top performer for WRTC... he reached for his Yaesu!", Kenwood could say, "Think a Kenwood can't beat an Elecraft in a tough contesting situation? Think again." &c.
  
I think what this all really means is that it comes down to the operator, not the radio... which is the whole reason for WRTC in the first place.




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Re: [Elecraft] WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

[dave]

Yeah, it all depends on how you look at it. Back in the 2010 WRTC it 
was pretty much all Elecraft and Yeasu. Icom was there but not nearly 
as strong as this year.


When I look over these results I think of the way the drivers finish 
in NASCAR races. You pretty much know who the top drivers are, but the 
exact order of finish remains to be seen. And this is strongly 
affected by luck in a lot of cases.


I think the same here. The top 20 or 25 teams are all excellent ops 
with excellent rigs. But who snags a few rare multipliers is often 
more luck than skill. Gotta be in the right spot at the right time.


I note that the Russian team that won in '10 finished 16th this time 
around. A very respectable showing, but no longer 1st.


73 de dave
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On 7/24/14 2:15 PM, Al Lorona wrote:


This is very interesting. I've been thinking of all the ways you could spin this data other than simply counting 
radios. For example, Icom could say, "Five out of the top six winning radios were Icoms." Yaesu could 
say, "When Elecraft owner Martti Laine needed a top performer for WRTC... he reached for his Yaesu!", 
Kenwood could say, "Think a Kenwood can't beat an Elecraft in a tough contesting situation? Think 
again." &c.

I think what this all really means is that it comes down to the operator, not 
the radio... which is the whole reason for WRTC in the first place.

Al  W6LX
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Re: [Elecraft] WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

[Nate Bargmann]

* On 2014 24 Jul 14:16 -0500, Al Lorona wrote:
>  
> This is very interesting. I've been thinking of all the ways you could spin 
> this data other than simply counting radios. For example, Icom could say, 
> "Five out of the top six winning radios were Icoms." Yaesu could say, "When 
> Elecraft owner Martti Laine needed a top performer for WRTC... he reached for 
> his Yaesu!", Kenwood could say, "Think a Kenwood can't beat an Elecraft in a 
> tough contesting situation? Think again." &c.

The months ahead will likely treat us to much advertising spin.

> I think what this all really means is that it comes down to the operator, not 
> the radio... which is the whole reason for WRTC in the first place. 

To a point.  Supposing the WRTC could be done all over again but the
winning team were given the TS-590S radios instead of the Icoms, would
they still win?  Of course, that is impossible to answer, but I will
note that no one showed up with an HW-101!

73, Nate N0NB

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Re: [Elecraft] WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

[Al Lorona]

 
This is very interesting. I've been thinking of all the ways you could spin 
this data other than simply counting radios. For example, Icom could say, "Five 
out of the top six winning radios were Icoms." Yaesu could say, "When Elecraft 
owner Martti Laine needed a top performer for WRTC... he reached for his 
Yaesu!", Kenwood could say, "Think a Kenwood can't beat an Elecraft in a tough 
contesting situation? Think again." &c.
 
I think what this all really means is that it comes down to the operator, not 
the radio... which is the whole reason for WRTC in the first place. 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

On 2014-07-24 12:56 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:

And also note that WinTest was number one logging software.


Only due to two accidents - the large number of European teams and that
WRTC does not include any RTTY component.  When one looks at teams from
the Americas, N1MM Logger was the more popular logger.  When one looks
at the top performers in digital mode contests the results show a much
higher percentage of N1MM logger and WriteLog users.

Win-Test has its pace if one is stuck on a user interface from the last
century and is only concerned for CW (not that either is necessarily
bad).

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV



On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 10:35 AM, dave  wrote:


Here they are sorted in order of finish:

   #  Call Team RADIO 1   RADIO 2   SOFTWARE
   1  K1A  N6MJ / KL9A  IC7800IC7800WINTEST
   2  W1L  OM3BH / OM3GIK3IC7600WINTEST
   3  W1P  DJ5MW / DL1IAO   IC756-3   IC756-3   WINTEST
   4  W1Z  N5DX / N2IC  K3K3N1MM
   5  N1M  K9VV / VE3EJ K3K3N1MM
   6  W1A  LY9A / LY4L  FT3000FT1000MP  WINTEST
   7  W1D  K1LZ / YT6W  IC7800IC7800WINTEST
   8  N1K  DK6XZ / DK9IPK3K3WINTEST
   9  K1D  UR0MC / VE3DZK3K3N1MM
  10  K1V  G0CKV / M0DXRK3K3WINTEST
  11  K1L  S50A / S57AW K3K3N1MM
  12  K1S  W2SC / N2NL  K3K3WRITELOG
  13  K1K  RL3FT / RA3COK3K3WINTEST
  14  W1S  F8DBF / F1AKKTS590 TS850 WINTEST
  15  W1M  4O3A / HA1AG K3K3WINTEST
  16  N1F  RW1A / RA1A  FTDX5000  FT1000MP  WINTEST
  17  N1G  RX3APM / RV1AW   K3K3WINTEST
  18  N1Z  PY1NX / LZ3YYK3K3N1MM
  19  N1R  UA3DPX / UA4FER  K3K3WINTEST
  20  K1R  N4YDU / N3KS K3K3N1MM
  21  N1A  DL1QQ / DL8DYL   IC7600IC7600WINTEST
  22  K1N  OE3DIA / E77DX   K3K3WINTEST
  23  K1I  UU4JMG / UU0JM   K3K3WINTEST
  24  W1W  OH2UA / OH6KZP   FTDX5000  FTDX5000  WINTEST
  25  W1C  9A5K / 9A1TT IC756-3   IC756-3   DXLOG
  26  K1G  9A6XX / 9A1UNFT1000MP  FT1000MP  WINTEST
  27  K1P  M0CFW / GI0RTN   K3K3WINTEST
  28  K1C  KE3X / K0DQ  K3FTDX5000  WINTEST
  29  K1T  IZ1LBG / WQ2NK3IC7600WINTEST
  30  N1O  RC9O / UA9PM K3K3WINTEST
  31  N1T  ES5TV / ES2RRFTDX5000  FTDX5000  WINTEST
  32  W1U  LZ4AX / LZ3FNK3K3N1MM
  33  K1Z  VE7CC / VE7SVK3K3N1MM
  34  K1W  K6AM / N6AN  K3K3WINTEST
  35  N1V  K7RL / KL2A  K3K3N1MM
  36  N1U  K8MR / K9NW  K3K3WINTEST
  37  N1L  KU1CW / EA5GTQ   K3K3N1MM
  38  N1W  PY2YU / PY2NDX   K3K3WINTEST
  39  W1F  CT1ILT / CT1BOH  K3TS590 WINTEST
  40  W1O  OM2VL / OM3RMK3IC7600WINTEST
  41  W1N  5B4WN / 5B4AFM   K3K3WINTEST
  42  W1V  R9DX / UA9CDVK3K3WINTEST
  43  W1G  F4DXW / F8CMFK3K3WINTEST
  44  N1S  LX2A / YO3JR TS590 TS590 WINTEST
  45  N1D  NR5M / W2GD  K3IC7700WINTEST
  46  W1T  AD4Z / W4UH  Orion II  Orion II  N1MM
  47  W1R  OH2BH / OH2MMFTDX5000  FTDX5000  WINTEST
  48  W1B  OE2VEL / OE5OHO  FT3000K3WINTEST
  49  N1C  IK2NCJ / IK2QEI  K3K3WINTEST
  50  N1P  CX6VM / LU1FAM   K3K3N1MM
  51  N1B  YL1ZF / YL2GQT   k3k3WINTEST
  52  W1I  W2RE / WW2DX K3K3N1MM
  53  N1N  KH6ND / KH6SHFT1000MP  FT1000MP  WRITELOG
  54  K1B  W9RE / N5OT  K3K3N1MM
  55  K1F  VY2ZM / KK6ZMFT1000D   FT1000D   WINTEST
  56  W1K  BA5CW / BA7IOK3K3N1MM
  57  K1O  JH5GHM / JA1OJE  TS590 IC7600SKOOKUMLOGGER
  58  K1M  IK1HJS / I4UFH   K3K3WINTEST
  59  K1U  KF5EYY / YT1AD   TS590 TS590 WINTEST

73 de dave
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On 7/24/14 6:44 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:



It appears the official report of transceivers and software is here:
  http://www.wrtc2014.org/radios-and-software-used/

The K3 was used by more than four times as many competitors than rigs
from any other manufacturer (Elecraft: 75, Yaesu: 16, Icom: 15,
Kenwood: 8, Ten-Tec: 2).  Interestingly, 41 of the 59 teams (nearly
70%) used a K3.

73,

 ... Joe, W4TV


On 2014-07-24 5:57 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote:


Below is the actual data and link to the public source of Rick's
comment
about rigs used in WRTC.

73,  Bill  W4ZV

P.S.  In case others missed it there was a major firmware update
(MCU 4.86
DSP 2.83) on June 10.  For some reason there was no announcement
about it
(see http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm )

WRTC data:

http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/aocc/2014-July/016712.html

Andy N2NT is still collecting data, but his preliminary release
showed the
following b

Re: [Elecraft] WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

[Guy Olinger K2AV]

And also note that WinTest was number one logging software.  73, Guy

On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 10:35 AM, dave  wrote:
>
> Here they are sorted in order of finish:
>
>   #  Call Team RADIO 1   RADIO 2   SOFTWARE
>   1  K1A  N6MJ / KL9A  IC7800IC7800WINTEST
>   2  W1L  OM3BH / OM3GIK3IC7600WINTEST
>   3  W1P  DJ5MW / DL1IAO   IC756-3   IC756-3   WINTEST
>   4  W1Z  N5DX / N2IC  K3K3N1MM
>   5  N1M  K9VV / VE3EJ K3K3N1MM
>   6  W1A  LY9A / LY4L  FT3000FT1000MP  WINTEST
>   7  W1D  K1LZ / YT6W  IC7800IC7800WINTEST
>   8  N1K  DK6XZ / DK9IPK3K3WINTEST
>   9  K1D  UR0MC / VE3DZK3K3N1MM
>  10  K1V  G0CKV / M0DXRK3K3WINTEST
>  11  K1L  S50A / S57AW K3K3N1MM
>  12  K1S  W2SC / N2NL  K3K3WRITELOG
>  13  K1K  RL3FT / RA3COK3K3WINTEST
>  14  W1S  F8DBF / F1AKKTS590 TS850 WINTEST
>  15  W1M  4O3A / HA1AG K3K3WINTEST
>  16  N1F  RW1A / RA1A  FTDX5000  FT1000MP  WINTEST
>  17  N1G  RX3APM / RV1AW   K3K3WINTEST
>  18  N1Z  PY1NX / LZ3YYK3K3N1MM
>  19  N1R  UA3DPX / UA4FER  K3K3WINTEST
>  20  K1R  N4YDU / N3KS K3K3N1MM
>  21  N1A  DL1QQ / DL8DYL   IC7600IC7600WINTEST
>  22  K1N  OE3DIA / E77DX   K3K3WINTEST
>  23  K1I  UU4JMG / UU0JM   K3K3WINTEST
>  24  W1W  OH2UA / OH6KZP   FTDX5000  FTDX5000  WINTEST
>  25  W1C  9A5K / 9A1TT IC756-3   IC756-3   DXLOG
>  26  K1G  9A6XX / 9A1UNFT1000MP  FT1000MP  WINTEST
>  27  K1P  M0CFW / GI0RTN   K3K3WINTEST
>  28  K1C  KE3X / K0DQ  K3FTDX5000  WINTEST
>  29  K1T  IZ1LBG / WQ2NK3IC7600WINTEST
>  30  N1O  RC9O / UA9PM K3K3WINTEST
>  31  N1T  ES5TV / ES2RRFTDX5000  FTDX5000  WINTEST
>  32  W1U  LZ4AX / LZ3FNK3K3N1MM
>  33  K1Z  VE7CC / VE7SVK3K3N1MM
>  34  K1W  K6AM / N6AN  K3K3WINTEST
>  35  N1V  K7RL / KL2A  K3K3N1MM
>  36  N1U  K8MR / K9NW  K3K3WINTEST
>  37  N1L  KU1CW / EA5GTQ   K3K3N1MM
>  38  N1W  PY2YU / PY2NDX   K3K3WINTEST
>  39  W1F  CT1ILT / CT1BOH  K3TS590 WINTEST
>  40  W1O  OM2VL / OM3RMK3IC7600WINTEST
>  41  W1N  5B4WN / 5B4AFM   K3K3WINTEST
>  42  W1V  R9DX / UA9CDVK3K3WINTEST
>  43  W1G  F4DXW / F8CMFK3K3WINTEST
>  44  N1S  LX2A / YO3JR TS590 TS590 WINTEST
>  45  N1D  NR5M / W2GD  K3IC7700WINTEST
>  46  W1T  AD4Z / W4UH  Orion II  Orion II  N1MM
>  47  W1R  OH2BH / OH2MMFTDX5000  FTDX5000  WINTEST
>  48  W1B  OE2VEL / OE5OHO  FT3000K3WINTEST
>  49  N1C  IK2NCJ / IK2QEI  K3K3WINTEST
>  50  N1P  CX6VM / LU1FAM   K3K3N1MM
>  51  N1B  YL1ZF / YL2GQT   k3k3WINTEST
>  52  W1I  W2RE / WW2DX K3K3N1MM
>  53  N1N  KH6ND / KH6SHFT1000MP  FT1000MP  WRITELOG
>  54  K1B  W9RE / N5OT  K3K3N1MM
>  55  K1F  VY2ZM / KK6ZMFT1000D   FT1000D   WINTEST
>  56  W1K  BA5CW / BA7IOK3K3N1MM
>  57  K1O  JH5GHM / JA1OJE  TS590 IC7600SKOOKUMLOGGER
>  58  K1M  IK1HJS / I4UFH   K3K3WINTEST
>  59  K1U  KF5EYY / YT1AD   TS590 TS590 WINTEST
>
> 73 de dave
> ab9ca/4
>
>
>
>
> On 7/24/14 6:44 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>>
>>
>> It appears the official report of transceivers and software is here:
>>  http://www.wrtc2014.org/radios-and-software-used/
>>
>> The K3 was used by more than four times as many competitors than rigs
>> from any other manufacturer (Elecraft: 75, Yaesu: 16, Icom: 15,
>> Kenwood: 8, Ten-Tec: 2).  Interestingly, 41 of the 59 teams (nearly
>> 70%) used a K3.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>>
>> On 2014-07-24 5:57 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote:
>>>
>>> Below is the actual data and link to the public source of Rick's
>>> comment
>>> about rigs used in WRTC.
>>>
>>> 73,  Bill  W4ZV
>>>
>>> P.S.  In case others missed it there was a major firmware update
>>> (MCU 4.86
>>> DSP 2.83) on June 10.  For some reason there was no announcement
>>> about it
>>> (see http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm )
>>>
>>> WRTC data:
>>>
>>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/aocc/2014-July/016712.html
>>>
>>> Andy N2NT is still collecting data, but his preliminary release
>>> showed the
>>> following breakdown of radios used at WRTC2014 for 91 radios he
>>> compiled.
>>> I'll show the final when he releases it, maybe later this week.
>>>
>>> Not surprising figures, as the K3 has a lot of features in a small
>>> package. Great for worldwide travel.
>>>
>>> It should be noted that at least 2 of the IC7600's were loaners from
>>> sponsor Icom. One pair went to the YL Te

Re: [Elecraft] WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

[dave]

Here they are sorted in order of finish:

  #  Call Team RADIO 1   RADIO 2   SOFTWARE
  1  K1A  N6MJ / KL9A  IC7800IC7800WINTEST
  2  W1L  OM3BH / OM3GIK3IC7600WINTEST
  3  W1P  DJ5MW / DL1IAO   IC756-3   IC756-3   WINTEST
  4  W1Z  N5DX / N2IC  K3K3N1MM
  5  N1M  K9VV / VE3EJ K3K3N1MM
  6  W1A  LY9A / LY4L  FT3000FT1000MP  WINTEST
  7  W1D  K1LZ / YT6W  IC7800IC7800WINTEST
  8  N1K  DK6XZ / DK9IPK3K3WINTEST
  9  K1D  UR0MC / VE3DZK3K3N1MM
 10  K1V  G0CKV / M0DXRK3K3WINTEST
 11  K1L  S50A / S57AW K3K3N1MM
 12  K1S  W2SC / N2NL  K3K3WRITELOG
 13  K1K  RL3FT / RA3COK3K3WINTEST
 14  W1S  F8DBF / F1AKKTS590 TS850 WINTEST
 15  W1M  4O3A / HA1AG K3K3WINTEST
 16  N1F  RW1A / RA1A  FTDX5000  FT1000MP  WINTEST
 17  N1G  RX3APM / RV1AW   K3K3WINTEST
 18  N1Z  PY1NX / LZ3YYK3K3N1MM
 19  N1R  UA3DPX / UA4FER  K3K3WINTEST
 20  K1R  N4YDU / N3KS K3K3N1MM
 21  N1A  DL1QQ / DL8DYL   IC7600IC7600WINTEST
 22  K1N  OE3DIA / E77DX   K3K3WINTEST
 23  K1I  UU4JMG / UU0JM   K3K3WINTEST
 24  W1W  OH2UA / OH6KZP   FTDX5000  FTDX5000  WINTEST
 25  W1C  9A5K / 9A1TT IC756-3   IC756-3   DXLOG
 26  K1G  9A6XX / 9A1UNFT1000MP  FT1000MP  WINTEST
 27  K1P  M0CFW / GI0RTN   K3K3WINTEST
 28  K1C  KE3X / K0DQ  K3FTDX5000  WINTEST
 29  K1T  IZ1LBG / WQ2NK3IC7600WINTEST
 30  N1O  RC9O / UA9PM K3K3WINTEST
 31  N1T  ES5TV / ES2RRFTDX5000  FTDX5000  WINTEST
 32  W1U  LZ4AX / LZ3FNK3K3N1MM
 33  K1Z  VE7CC / VE7SVK3K3N1MM
 34  K1W  K6AM / N6AN  K3K3WINTEST
 35  N1V  K7RL / KL2A  K3K3N1MM
 36  N1U  K8MR / K9NW  K3K3WINTEST
 37  N1L  KU1CW / EA5GTQ   K3K3N1MM
 38  N1W  PY2YU / PY2NDX   K3K3WINTEST
 39  W1F  CT1ILT / CT1BOH  K3TS590 WINTEST
 40  W1O  OM2VL / OM3RMK3IC7600WINTEST
 41  W1N  5B4WN / 5B4AFM   K3K3WINTEST
 42  W1V  R9DX / UA9CDVK3K3WINTEST
 43  W1G  F4DXW / F8CMFK3K3WINTEST
 44  N1S  LX2A / YO3JR TS590 TS590 WINTEST
 45  N1D  NR5M / W2GD  K3IC7700WINTEST
 46  W1T  AD4Z / W4UH  Orion II  Orion II  N1MM
 47  W1R  OH2BH / OH2MMFTDX5000  FTDX5000  WINTEST
 48  W1B  OE2VEL / OE5OHO  FT3000K3WINTEST
 49  N1C  IK2NCJ / IK2QEI  K3K3WINTEST
 50  N1P  CX6VM / LU1FAM   K3K3N1MM
 51  N1B  YL1ZF / YL2GQT   k3k3WINTEST
 52  W1I  W2RE / WW2DX K3K3N1MM
 53  N1N  KH6ND / KH6SHFT1000MP  FT1000MP  WRITELOG
 54  K1B  W9RE / N5OT  K3K3N1MM
 55  K1F  VY2ZM / KK6ZMFT1000D   FT1000D   WINTEST
 56  W1K  BA5CW / BA7IOK3K3N1MM
 57  K1O  JH5GHM / JA1OJE  TS590 IC7600SKOOKUMLOGGER
 58  K1M  IK1HJS / I4UFH   K3K3WINTEST
 59  K1U  KF5EYY / YT1AD   TS590 TS590 WINTEST

73 de dave
ab9ca/4



On 7/24/14 6:44 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:


It appears the official report of transceivers and software is here:
 http://www.wrtc2014.org/radios-and-software-used/

The K3 was used by more than four times as many competitors than rigs
from any other manufacturer (Elecraft: 75, Yaesu: 16, Icom: 15,
Kenwood: 8, Ten-Tec: 2).  Interestingly, 41 of the 59 teams (nearly
70%) used a K3.

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 2014-07-24 5:57 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote:

Below is the actual data and link to the public source of Rick's
comment
about rigs used in WRTC.

73,  Bill  W4ZV

P.S.  In case others missed it there was a major firmware update
(MCU 4.86
DSP 2.83) on June 10.  For some reason there was no announcement
about it
(see http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm )

WRTC data:

http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/aocc/2014-July/016712.html

Andy N2NT is still collecting data, but his preliminary release
showed the
following breakdown of radios used at WRTC2014 for 91 radios he
compiled.
I'll show the final when he releases it, maybe later this week.

Not surprising figures, as the K3 has a lot of features in a small
package. Great for worldwide travel.

It should be noted that at least 2 of the IC7600's were loaners from
sponsor Icom. One pair went to the YL Team of DL1QQ/DL8DYL, who
finished
well,
21st.

More  when I know more.

73, Bob K8IA

-


K3  63

IC7600  6

TS590  5

FTdx5000  5

FT1000MP  3

IC7800  2

FT1000D  2

IC756pro3  2

Other (IC7700, FT3000, TS850) 3

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Re: [Elecraft] WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

It appears the official report of transceivers and software is here:
http://www.wrtc2014.org/radios-and-software-used/

The K3 was used by more than four times as many competitors than rigs
from any other manufacturer (Elecraft: 75, Yaesu: 16, Icom: 15,
Kenwood: 8, Ten-Tec: 2).  Interestingly, 41 of the 59 teams (nearly
70%) used a K3.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2014-07-24 5:57 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote:

Below is the actual data and link to the public source of Rick's comment
about rigs used in WRTC.

73,  Bill  W4ZV

P.S.  In case others missed it there was a major firmware update (MCU 4.86
DSP 2.83) on June 10.  For some reason there was no announcement about it
(see http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm )

WRTC data:

http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/aocc/2014-July/016712.html

Andy N2NT is still collecting data, but his preliminary release showed the
following breakdown of radios used at WRTC2014 for 91 radios he compiled.
I'll show the final when he releases it, maybe later this week.

Not surprising figures, as the K3 has a lot of features in a small
package. Great for worldwide travel.

It should be noted that at least 2 of the IC7600's were loaners from
sponsor Icom. One pair went to the YL Team of DL1QQ/DL8DYL, who finished
well,
21st.

More  when I know more.

73, Bob K8IA

-


K3  63

IC7600  6

TS590  5

FTdx5000  5

FT1000MP  3

IC7800  2

FT1000D  2

IC756pro3  2

Other (IC7700, FT3000, TS850) 3

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Re: [Elecraft] WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

[Guy Olinger K2AV]

That's more lopsided (2/3 K3's) than the first WRTC after the K3 came
out (1/2 K3's).

73, Guy.



On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 5:57 AM, Bill W4ZV  wrote:
> Below is the actual data and link to the public source of Rick's comment
> about rigs used in WRTC.
>
> 73,  Bill  W4ZV
>
> P.S.  In case others missed it there was a major firmware update (MCU 4.86
> DSP 2.83) on June 10.  For some reason there was no announcement about it
> (see http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm )
>
> WRTC data:
>
> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/aocc/2014-July/016712.html
>
> Andy N2NT is still collecting data, but his preliminary release showed the
> following breakdown of radios used at WRTC2014 for 91 radios he compiled.
> I'll show the final when he releases it, maybe later this week.
>
> Not surprising figures, as the K3 has a lot of features in a small
> package. Great for worldwide travel.
>
> It should be noted that at least 2 of the IC7600's were loaners from
> sponsor Icom. One pair went to the YL Team of DL1QQ/DL8DYL, who finished
> well,
> 21st.
>
> More  when I know more.
>
> 73, Bob K8IA
>
> -
>
>
> K3  63
>
> IC7600  6
>
> TS590  5
>
> FTdx5000  5
>
> FT1000MP  3
>
> IC7800  2
>
> FT1000D  2
>
> IC756pro3  2
>
> Other (IC7700, FT3000, TS850) 3
>
> 91
>
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

[Bill W4ZV]

Below is the actual data and link to the public source of Rick's comment
about rigs used in WRTC.  

73,  Bill  W4ZV

P.S.  In case others missed it there was a major firmware update (MCU 4.86
DSP 2.83) on June 10.  For some reason there was no announcement about it
(see http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm )

WRTC data:

http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/aocc/2014-July/016712.html

Andy N2NT is still collecting data, but his preliminary release showed the  
following breakdown of radios used at WRTC2014 for 91 radios he compiled.  
I'll show the final when he releases it, maybe later this week.
 
Not surprising figures, as the K3 has a lot of features in a small  
package. Great for worldwide travel. 
 
It should be noted that at least 2 of the IC7600's were loaners from  
sponsor Icom. One pair went to the YL Team of DL1QQ/DL8DYL, who finished
well,  
21st. 
 
More  when I know more.
 
73, Bob K8IA

-


K3  63
 
IC7600  6 
 
TS590  5
 
FTdx5000  5 
 
FT1000MP  3 
 
IC7800  2 
 
FT1000D  2 
 
IC756pro3  2 
 
Other (IC7700, FT3000, TS850) 3
   
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