[FairfieldLife] Re: Bank Robbery in Fairfield

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> > >
> > >  
> > > In a message dated 2/12/07 7:15:25 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
> > > dhamiltony2k5@ writes:
> > > 
> > > Just off the scanner in FF, the bank got robbed today.
> > > 
> > > & what  were the dome numbers today? 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Are you suggesting that somebody that was supposed to be in the 
> > dome was  
> > > actually out robbing the bank?
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > No, Luke, there is a disturbance in the Force -- not only the 
bank 
> > robbery, but the stock market lost 28 points today, and Fairfield 
is 
> > under a winter storm watch.
> 

> A winter storm in the dead of winter? How weird is that!!!
>

*

I'm blaming the fallout from last week's tinku:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/12/world/americas/12tinku.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest from Sam Harris, 2-8-07

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Sam Harris is such a great conversation starter! 
> 
> I think my statement was an epistemological assessment of the
> claim that one can have a subjective experience that can then
> make you confident that you "know" that Jesus is Lord".  Of
> course people do it all the time.  But in the systems of modern
> epistemology that I studied, this connection is not valid.

But again, is that not an epistemological claim
("this connection is not valid") that you can't
possibly back up?  In that sense, what's the
difference between the claim that Jesus is Lord
and the epistemological claim that the first
claim isn't valid?

> If you are a pure rationalist or even a solipsist, you can make this
> case, but neither of those positions have survived as supportable 
> philosophical positions for decades.

Solipsism--in the broader sense I mentioned earlier,
that we have no empirical means of determining whether
there's really anything "out there" that exists
independently of our minds--is irrefutable.  It
doesn't *require* any support; it's an obvious fact.

What is *not* an obvious fact is the claim that there
*is* nothing "out there."  It's important to make that
distinction.

> They do continue in the form of
> archaic philosophies like the Vedic tradition.

Actually, a number of researchers and philosophers
struggling with the question of consciousness make
the observation I just made above.

  Perhaps my statement
> lacked a bit of the humility that I claimed was needed!  I think 
Sam's
> point is that cultures that follow this type of philosophical
> tradition need the same epistemological oil change that has 
dominated
> the development of liberal democracies.

But let's make sure we're not changing it for oil
that doesn't have the qualities we think it does.

   These ideas need to be
> challenged the same way we challenge a claim that someone is 
selling a
> magic pill that keeps you from ever dying.

How would you challenge the claim I made above, that
there is no empirical means of determining whether
there's anything "out there"?

That's where epistemological humility has to begin,
it seems to me.  If we take the independent existence
of "out there" as an axiom, something we "know," it
throws all the rest of the epistemological exercise
in question.

  It is taboo in society to
> challenge the basis on which someone asserts that they "know" that
> Jesus is Lord., and even worse, what that means about how other 
> people should behave.

As far as I'm concerned, the first belief (or any of
its competitors) is inarguable.  As to the second, a
person's belief that they should get to determine how
I should behave is likewise inarguable *as a belief*,
but they're going to have a very hard time implementing
it, because I'm going to resist it with all my might.

> I think we are shaped by the religious societies that we live
> in.  I don't know how that influence could be avoided by a child
> not raised by wolves.

Well, of course.  But that doesn't necessarily
mean that it's the *only* influence.  As I said,
I think it's quite wrong for Harris to insist
that Sullivan must have picked up his initial
belief in God from that source.  He may well have,
but Harris can't possibly *know* that.

Try this: go back over some of Harris's posts
and see how many statements he makes that he
can't back up in the way he insists Sullivan
should be able to back up his.  There are quite
a few of them.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Latest from Sam Harris, 2-8-07

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of TurquoiseB
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 5:09 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Latest from Sam Harris, 2-8-07


I'm suggesting that your mirror is as abnormal as
any other, and that its reflections of the universe
are as distorted as anyone else's. Can you accept
that, in...dare I use the term...humility, or do you
hold that your perceptions reflect some kind of 
"truth?" Just curious...

 

Is everyone's mirror equally abnormal? If so, what's normal? Why couldn't
Jim's mirror be clearer than most, though still not perfect? I think clarity
of human perception is a spectrum ranging from extremely distorted to almost
crystal clear.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Sidhis practice

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 8:54 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Sidhis practice

 

Sparaig writes snipped:
I think he was using "DNA" as a metaphor. In a sense, the Vedas could
be seen as the DNA of the universe, and I think that MMY uses that
analogy at times: the entire blueprint of nature contained in the
ultimate compact form that unfolds itself into all of manifest creation.

Tom T:
Yes DNA is essentially a vibratory bundle of knowledge. Tom

So would it be correct to say that you're not seeing the DNA itself, but
tuning in to the fundamental knowledge it represents? In that case, I could
see what you mean about the DNA of creation. You're not using the term "DNA"
literally, since most of creation doesn't have any, but as a metaphor for
subtle expressions of knowledge. Is that correct?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bank Robbery in Fairfield

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> >
> >  
> > In a message dated 2/12/07 7:15:25 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
> > dhamiltony2k5@ writes:
> > 
> > Just off the scanner in FF, the bank got robbed today.
> > 
> > & what  were the dome numbers today? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Are you suggesting that somebody that was supposed to be in the 
> dome was  
> > actually out robbing the bank?
> >
> 
> 
> 
> No, Luke, there is a disturbance in the Force -- not only the bank 
> robbery, but the stock market lost 28 points today, and Fairfield is 
> under a winter storm watch.

A winter storm in the dead of winter? How weird is that!!!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bank Robbery in Fairfield

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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>  
> In a message dated 2/12/07 7:15:25 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> Just off the scanner in FF, the bank got robbed today.
> 
> & what  were the dome numbers today? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Are you suggesting that somebody that was supposed to be in the 
dome was  
> actually out robbing the bank?
>



No, Luke, there is a disturbance in the Force -- not only the bank 
robbery, but the stock market lost 28 points today, and Fairfield is 
under a winter storm watch. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bank Robbery in Fairfield

[dhamiltony2k5]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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>  
> In a message dated 2/12/07 7:15:25 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> Just off the scanner in FF, the bank got robbed today.
> 
> & what  were the dome numbers today? 
> 
> 
> 
>. 
> Are you suggesting that somebody that was supposed to be in the dome 
was  
> actually out robbing the bank?
>

Details sketchy now, but makes one wonder how many pundits it would 
have taken to repel a bank robber?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Bank Robbery in Fairfield

[MDixon6569]

 
In a message dated 2/12/07 7:15:25 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Just off the scanner in FF, the bank got robbed today.

& what  were the dome numbers today? 




Are you suggesting that somebody that was supposed to be in the dome was  
actually out robbing the bank?

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Sidhis practice

[tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis]

Sparaig writes snipped:
I think he was using "DNA" as a metaphor. In a sense, the Vedas could
be seen as the DNA of the universe, and I think that MMY uses that
analogy at times: the entire blueprint of nature contained in the
ultimate compact form that unfolds itself into all of manifest creation.

Tom T:
Yes DNA is essentially a vibratory bundle of knowledge. Tom

[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest from Sam Harris, 2-8-07

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> "I've been in 5 near-fatal (would have been fatal without seat-belts) car
> crashes. There's no
> underlying similarities save confusion and perhaps, panic."
> 
> Spraig, I don't care if you haven't been drinking, you are not my
> designated driver!  That sounds so intense, I have never been in an
> accident.  Luck of the draw I'm sure cuz sometimes I have been a bad,
> bad boy.

ADHD was far worse in my youth. Like I keep tellling people: you should have 
seen the before 
picture.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest from Sam Harris, 2-8-07

[curtisdeltablues]

" But not about what it's like to be in a car crash."

I am not denying the value of subjective experiences in the context of
trying to figure out life.  For some things it is the only value.  But
once you have one you can't tell me that now you "know" that all the
women under your control must submit to your will.



>



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > > snip
> > > ++ If you drive off the road and hit a tree, you would have a 
> > > strong expierience- would you not be qualified to have an 
> > > accurate comment on it?  N.
> > 
> > The guy watching you hit the tree who didn't get his bell rung might
> > be a better source of information about what happened that caused 
> > the crash.
> 
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest from Sam Harris, 2-8-07

[curtisdeltablues]

"I've been in 5 near-fatal (would have been fatal without seat-belts) car
crashes. There's no
underlying similarities save confusion and perhaps, panic."

Spraig, I don't care if you haven't been drinking, you are not my
designated driver!  That sounds so intense, I have never been in an
accident.  Luck of the draw I'm sure cuz sometimes I have been a bad,
bad boy.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > > snip
> > > > ++ If you drive off the road and hit a tree, you would have a 
> > > > strong expierience- would you not be qualified to have an 
> > > > accurate comment on it?  N.
> > > 
> > > The guy watching you hit the tree who didn't get his bell rung might
> > > be a better source of information about what happened that caused 
> > > the crash.
> > 
> > But not about what it's like to be in a car crash.
> >
> 
> I've been in 5 near-fatal (would have been fatal without seat-belts)
car crashes. There's no 
> underlying similarities save confusion and perhaps, panic.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest from Sam Harris, 2-8-07

[curtisdeltablues]

I agree with your point. I think the same principles apply.  It was
probably a bad example of an intense experience to use.  Someone
having a non traumatic intense experience might be a better witness,
but still all the other stuff pertains.  Having an intense experience
doesn't even make you an expert in that intense experience.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > snip
> > > > > ++ If you drive off the road and hit a tree, you would have a 
> > > > > strong expierience- would you not be qualified to have an 
> > > > > accurate comment on it?  N.
> > > > 
> > > > The guy watching you hit the tree who didn't get his bell rung 
> might
> > > > be a better source of information about what happened that 
> caused 
> > > > the crash.
> > > 
> > > But not about what it's like to be in a car crash.
> > >
> > 
> > I've been in 5 near-fatal (would have been fatal without seat-
> belts) car crashes. There's no 
> > underlying similarities save confusion and perhaps, panic.
> 
> Not about what it's like to be in *that* car crash.
> 
> Unless I'm way off track, the poster is making a
> point about the *experience* of the crash, not
> about exactly what happened to cause the crash.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest from Sam Harris, 2-8-07

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > snip
> > > > > ++ If you drive off the road and hit a tree, you would have a 
> > > > > strong expierience- would you not be qualified to have an 
> > > > > accurate comment on it?  N.
> > > > 
> > > > The guy watching you hit the tree who didn't get his bell rung 
> might
> > > > be a better source of information about what happened that 
> caused 
> > > > the crash.
> > > 
> > > But not about what it's like to be in a car crash.
> > >
> > 
> > I've been in 5 near-fatal (would have been fatal without seat-
> belts) car crashes. There's no 
> > underlying similarities save confusion and perhaps, panic.
> 
> Not about what it's like to be in *that* car crash.
> 
> Unless I'm way off track, the poster is making a
> point about the *experience* of the crash, not
> about exactly what happened to cause the crash.
>

I was making a point about the underlying similarities between the experience 
found 
during one car crash and the next: confusion and panic.

In fact, the ONLY experience that is memorable is confusion and panic. Bits and 
pieces of 
watching the world spin around, or grabbing my grandmother and keeping her from 
going 
through the windshield, and so on, pop up, but the main experience is:... 
*(&(*Y&@#$%

[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest from Sam Harris, 2-8-07

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > > snip
> > > > ++ If you drive off the road and hit a tree, you would have a 
> > > > strong expierience- would you not be qualified to have an 
> > > > accurate comment on it?  N.
> > > 
> > > The guy watching you hit the tree who didn't get his bell rung 
might
> > > be a better source of information about what happened that 
caused 
> > > the crash.
> > 
> > But not about what it's like to be in a car crash.
> >
> 
> I've been in 5 near-fatal (would have been fatal without seat-
belts) car crashes. There's no 
> underlying similarities save confusion and perhaps, panic.

Not about what it's like to be in *that* car crash.

Unless I'm way off track, the poster is making a
point about the *experience* of the crash, not
about exactly what happened to cause the crash.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest from Sam Harris, 2-8-07

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > > snip
> > > ++ If you drive off the road and hit a tree, you would have a 
> > > strong expierience- would you not be qualified to have an 
> > > accurate comment on it?  N.
> > 
> > The guy watching you hit the tree who didn't get his bell rung might
> > be a better source of information about what happened that caused 
> > the crash.
> 
> But not about what it's like to be in a car crash.
>

I've been in 5 near-fatal (would have been fatal without seat-belts) car 
crashes. There's no 
underlying similarities save confusion and perhaps, panic.

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Sidhis practice

[shukra69]

Since it comes when listening to or chanting Mahamrityunja or 
Sahasranaama I don't think thats whats going on. Its like the 
external vision shutting down, colour vision first. Ultimately the 
eyes are open and really you don't see anything, unless you decide 
to.
The "color" grey is associated with Rahu and Ketu in Jyotish as 
well. 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shukra69"  
wrote:
> >
> > I was wondering if someone might mention this. I have 
> > seen it many, many times. With eyes open everything 
> > can dissolve into a grey field. Also happened notably 
> > when I was invited to a Shiva temple on Shivaratri -
> > when I was pouring milk onto the murthi. 
> 
> I have no idea what your experience was, but
> in other traditions, seeing or experiencing
> the color grey (gray?) is associated with
> having tapped into the astral field, not with
> any higher state of consciousness. Gray or
> the experience of "grayness" is one of the 
> defining characteristics of the lower astral.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest from Sam Harris, 2-8-07

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > snip
> > ++ If you drive off the road and hit a tree, you would have a 
> > strong expierience- would you not be qualified to have an 
> > accurate comment on it?  N.
> 
> The guy watching you hit the tree who didn't get his bell rung might
> be a better source of information about what happened that caused 
> the crash.

But not about what it's like to be in a car crash.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Buddhist Geek: Get a PhD in Contemplative Science

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Feb 12, 2007, at 8:55 PM, sparaig wrote:
> 
> > Nor is the TM + TM-Sidhis program, sorry.
> 
> 
> Sorry, didn't realize they dropped the mantra! ;-)
>

Hehe. I never realize that either, until after-the-fact...

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Sidhis practice

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> For me the Sidhis are now known to be part of my DNA. I have seen 
them
> there vibrating. I also know my DNA to be the DNA of all creation. I
> can no longer do them or find them as they are now me, who I am. As
> are all of the mantras/advanced techniques.  My meditation consists 
of
> sitting in silence savoring the vibratory quality of my DNA. Tom

Isn't this where you say, "show me the money".  Can we not see some 
outward manifestation of a sidhi, even a lesser one.  Can you 
understand what is being a saying in a different language? Can you see 
things at a distance?  Regarding the last question, I did once.  But 
it came unexpeditly and then it left. But I can't say I can access it 
in my DNA. But maybe I'm just asking too much of a waking state 
question.

lurk
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pt II -- EMF advice from Global Good News

[Jonathan Chadwick]

"Weak in life, weak in the Work."  --Gurdjieff
   
  When Gurdjieff died, Frank Lloyd Wright interruped the speech he was giving 
and announced to the audience that "the greatest man in the world has died 
today."  What do you suppose would be Wright's reaction to this whole 
discussion?
   
  sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  wrote:
> >
> > Counterbalancing electromagnetic radiation in Maharishi Sthapatya 
> > Veda buildings - Part II
> > by Global Good News staff writer
> > . . .
> > This [their home or "sanctuary"]
> > is where most people spend over 90 per cent of their time...
> 
> I rest my case. Shut-In Syndrome.
> 
> How many of you spend 144 minutes a day or
> less outside your home? These people think 
> that's how "most" people live their lives.
> 
> Probably because that's how they live theirs,
> stuck inside, afraid to leave...and now even
> afraid of the "sanctuaries" they're hiding in.
> 
> Life's sure fun in the Age Of Enlightenment, eh?
>

Heh. This is addressed to folks that are meditating in groups outside their 
homes for up to 8 hours per day. Obviously poorly worded. Your assumption 
otherwise only shows a need to criticize.



 

 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest from Sam Harris, 2-8-07

[curtisdeltablues]

> snip
> ++ If you drive off the road and hit a tree, you would have a strong
> expierience- would you not be qualified to have an accurate comment on
> it?  N.


The guy watching you hit the tree who didn't get his bell rung might
be a better source of information about what happened that caused the
crash.  In fact if you got a few people who saw it and they all agreed
on certain facts that would be even better. Even better would be a
video of the event reviewed by experts who where not emotionally
effected by seeing the crash live .  If the tree crash was actually
conducted as an experiment in lab with sensors connected everywhere
you might get an even better understanding of exactly what happened in
the crash.

Now lets go back to the guy who got a huge rap on his noggin. 
Compared to those other observers of the event, he is the worst
possible source for what happened in the crash.

I am not saying personal experience isn't an important source for our
knowledge, it is just important to know its limitations. People often
confuse the compelling nature of their experience with legitimate
criteria for truth or even accuracy.  Sometimes people are
passionately wrong.  That is what the field of epistemology in
philosophy studies.  How we can be confident about our knowledge.  It
is not an absolute, perfect magical system.  Just a set of guidelines
to help us deceive ourselves less often.  Humans are extremely
vulnerable to deception, don't you think?









--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
>  wrote:
> >
> > I think it would be hard for anyone to know what Sam has experienced
> > through his meditation practice.  It might be more than a sense of
> > silence or a moment of peace.  Perhaps, like me, he has had
> > experiences like the kind of detail you are describing and decided not
> > to attach the same meaning to it that you have.  The strength of our
> > experiences and our beliefs are not an indication of their accuracy. 
> > No matter how compelling.
> > 
> snip
> ++ If you drive off the road and hit a tree, you would have a strong
> expierience- would you not be qualified to have an accurate comment on
> it?  N.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Buddhist Geek: Get a PhD in Contemplative Science

[Vaj]

On Feb 12, 2007, at 8:55 PM, sparaig wrote:


Nor is the TM + TM-Sidhis program, sorry.



Sorry, didn't realize they dropped the mantra! ;-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "george_deforest" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
> a soul real close to enlightenment will probably
> come back to the earth plane right away,
> and now he gets to finish the job with a brand new body.

Nice to know it works like clockwork iyo.  I mean he's probably like a 
nice piece of wood.  Just needs to come back for some 400 grit sanding 
and a coat of varnish.  Should be able to get it done by the time he's 
a teenager.

lurk
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Buddhist Geek: Get a PhD in Contemplative Science

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > On Feb 12, 2007, at 8:20 PM, sparaig wrote:
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Buddhist Geeks 4: Get a PhD in Contemplative Science.  "In our second
> > >> podcast with Alan Wallace, he presents a new model for "professional"
> > >> contemplatives. Instead of trying to transplant the monastic model to
> > >> the West, Dr. Wallace suggests that contemplation become an actual
> > >> profession."
> > >>
> > >> Link:  http://www.buddhistgeeks.com/2007/01/29/buddhist-geeks-4- 
> > >> get-a-
> > >> phd-in-contemplative-science/
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > My response:
> > >
> > > Lawson English on Feb 12th, 2007 said:
> > > You guys are wy behind the times:
> > >
> > > There already exists a full-time, 8-hour-per-day meditation-in-a- 
> > > group program,
> > > complete with both a $5000 training scholarship and a $600/month  
> > > room & board grant,
> > > if you agree to participate for at least 1 year:
> > 
> > 
> > Actually not. As he said if you listened to is blips, it isn't just  
> > repeating a mantra.
> >
> 
> 
> Nor is the TM + TM-Sidhis program, sorry.
>

Excuse me. Not even an accurate description of TM. What a fool you are, Vaj.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Buddhist Geeks: Alan Wallace on achieving Shamatha

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Feb 12, 2007, at 8:33 PM, sparaig wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >>
> >> Buddhist Geeks 2: Alan Wallace on achieving Shamatha. "In our first
> >> podcast featuring scholar-practitioner B. Alan Wallace we asked Dr.
> >> Wallace to give us the low-down on his spiritual journey, as well as
> >> describe the stages of deepening relaxation and vividness of
> >> attention leading to the culmination of an attainment he calls
> >> shamatha."
> >>
> >> Link: http://www.buddhistgeeks.com/2007/01/15/buddhist-geeks-2-alan-
> >> wallace-on-achieving-shamatha/
> >>
> >
> > What a tweeb. And this is the stuff you consider superior to TM???
> 
> 
> Well, if you consider the first stage or two involve TM style levels  
> of stability and then you go towards hours of continuous absorption  
> in the later stages, I guess you can reach your own conclusions!  :-)  
> A couple of minutes compared to an hour to several hours is quite a  
> difference. Did you even listen to it? I didn't think you did!
> 
> And shamatha is just the start...(as he explains)...
>

And he is wrong. And you are as well.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Buddhist Geek: Get a PhD in Contemplative Science

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Feb 12, 2007, at 8:20 PM, sparaig wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >>
> >> Buddhist Geeks 4: Get a PhD in Contemplative Science.  "In our second
> >> podcast with Alan Wallace, he presents a new model for "professional"
> >> contemplatives. Instead of trying to transplant the monastic model to
> >> the West, Dr. Wallace suggests that contemplation become an actual
> >> profession."
> >>
> >> Link:  http://www.buddhistgeeks.com/2007/01/29/buddhist-geeks-4- 
> >> get-a-
> >> phd-in-contemplative-science/
> >>
> >
> >
> > My response:
> >
> > Lawson English on Feb 12th, 2007 said:
> > You guys are wy behind the times:
> >
> > There already exists a full-time, 8-hour-per-day meditation-in-a- 
> > group program,
> > complete with both a $5000 training scholarship and a $600/month  
> > room & board grant,
> > if you agree to participate for at least 1 year:
> 
> 
> Actually not. As he said if you listened to is blips, it isn't just  
> repeating a mantra.
>


Nor is the TM + TM-Sidhis program, sorry.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest from Sam Harris, 2-8-07

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "coshlnx"  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.tinyurl.com/38mf3l
> > > 
> > > ++ It is not logical to say something is not so just because 
> > > you have not expierienced it.  N.
> > 
> > If you were a TM teacher, did you ever say in
> > lectures, as you were taught to do, that it
> > is impossible to transcend via concentration?
> > Or that TM was the best, most effective method
> > of meditation in the world, without having ever
> > tried any other types of meditation, much less 
> > all of them? 
> > 
> > Was that logical?
> > 
> > The claim of "logic" tends to be the lipstick 
> > that True Believers (of any ilk) put on the pig
> > of their unsubstantiated yet deeply held beliefs.
> >
> ++ You are right - I should have said It doesn't make sense or, it's
> BS.  N.
>

Heh. Given what we know now about what samadhi is, it is indeed, by the very 
nature of 
the nervous system, impossible to be in samadhi due to effortful concentration, 
save as 
the end-result of exhaustion.

It's a physiological fact.

Get over it already.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest from Sam Harris, 2-8-07

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
>  wrote:
> >
> > I think it would be hard for anyone to know what Sam has experienced
> > through his meditation practice.  It might be more than a sense of
> > silence or a moment of peace.  Perhaps, like me, he has had
> > experiences like the kind of detail you are describing and decided not
> > to attach the same meaning to it that you have.  The strength of our
> > experiences and our beliefs are not an indication of their accuracy. 
> > No matter how compelling.
> > 
> snip
> ++ If you drive off the road and hit a tree, you would have a strong
> expierience- would you not be qualified to have an accurate comment on
> it?  N.
>

But would this be an accurate account of the *typical* driving experience?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Right wing nut job behind "24"

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> bob_brigante wrote:
> > the maker of this Fascist cartoon:
> >
> > http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/070219fa_fact_mayer
> >
> >
> >   
> Interesting article.  For those who love the guilty pleasure, "24" is 
> two episode tonight.
>

SOme call it the Jack Bauer Power Hour. I call it Jack Bauer's Torture 101. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Sidhis practice

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Patrick Gillam wrote:
> >> --- Bhairitu wrote:
> >>
> >> But when all is said and done it is 
> >> just simple sound physics played out 
> >> at a subtler level of the mind and 
> >> nervous system.
> >> 
> >
> > Bhairitu, if I may ask, what results are you 
> > getting from your TM-Sidhis practice?
> I no longer practice the TM-Sidhis but I did get some fairly good 
> results from some of them.  The siddhis I am practicing now are tantric.
>


Huh. Could swear that you and others have claimed that TM and the TM-SIdhis are 
tantric 
practices

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Buddhist Geeks: Alan Wallace on achieving Shamatha

[Vaj]

On Feb 12, 2007, at 8:33 PM, sparaig wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Buddhist Geeks 2: Alan Wallace on achieving Shamatha. "In our first
podcast featuring scholar-practitioner B. Alan Wallace we asked Dr.
Wallace to give us the low-down on his spiritual journey, as well as
describe the stages of deepening relaxation and vividness of
attention leading to the culmination of an attainment he calls
shamatha."

Link: http://www.buddhistgeeks.com/2007/01/15/buddhist-geeks-2-alan-
wallace-on-achieving-shamatha/



What a tweeb. And this is the stuff you consider superior to TM???



Well, if you consider the first stage or two involve TM style levels  
of stability and then you go towards hours of continuous absorption  
in the later stages, I guess you can reach your own conclusions!  :-)  
A couple of minutes compared to an hour to several hours is quite a  
difference. Did you even listen to it? I didn't think you did!


And shamatha is just the start...(as he explains)...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Buddhist Geeks: Alan Wallace on achieving Shamatha

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Buddhist Geeks 2: Alan Wallace on achieving Shamatha. "In our first  
> podcast featuring scholar-practitioner B. Alan Wallace we asked Dr.  
> Wallace to give us the low-down on his spiritual journey, as well as  
> describe the stages of deepening relaxation and vividness of  
> attention leading to the culmination of an attainment he calls  
> shamatha."
> 
> Link: http://www.buddhistgeeks.com/2007/01/15/buddhist-geeks-2-alan- 
> wallace-on-achieving-shamatha/
>

My response:

Lawson English on Feb 12th, 2007 said:
My response: if these traits are genuine traits, then they will show up in 
other forms of 
meditative practice.

And yet…

Contrast samadhi during TM with compassion meditation:

Where's the underlying universal harmony in all points simultaneously, not just 
in some 
localized expression of expertise in a single function of the brain?

http://web.mac.com/lawsonenglish/iWeb/Site/Meditation EEG.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pt II -- EMF advice from Global Good News

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  wrote:
> >
> > Counterbalancing electromagnetic radiation in Maharishi Sthapatya 
> > Veda buildings - Part II
> > by Global Good News staff writer
> > . . .
> > This [their home or "sanctuary"]
> > is where most people spend over 90 per cent of their time...
> 
> I rest my case. Shut-In Syndrome.
> 
> How many of you spend 144 minutes a day or
> less outside your home? These people think 
> that's how "most" people live their lives.
> 
> Probably because that's how they live theirs,
> stuck inside, afraid to leave...and now even
> afraid of the "sanctuaries" they're hiding in.
> 
> Life's sure fun in the Age Of Enlightenment, eh?
>

Heh. This is addressed to folks that are meditating in groups outside their 
homes for up to 
8 hours per day. Obviously poorly worded. Your assumption otherwise  only shows 
a need 
to criticize.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Buddhist Geek: Get a PhD in Contemplative Science

[Vaj]

On Feb 12, 2007, at 8:20 PM, sparaig wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Buddhist Geeks 4: Get a PhD in Contemplative Science.  "In our second
podcast with Alan Wallace, he presents a new model for "professional"
contemplatives. Instead of trying to transplant the monastic model to
the West, Dr. Wallace suggests that contemplation become an actual
profession."

Link:  http://www.buddhistgeeks.com/2007/01/29/buddhist-geeks-4- 
get-a-

phd-in-contemplative-science/




My response:

Lawson English on Feb 12th, 2007 said:
You guys are wy behind the times:

There already exists a full-time, 8-hour-per-day meditation-in-a- 
group program,
complete with both a $5000 training scholarship and a $600/month  
room & board grant,

if you agree to participate for at least 1 year:



Actually not. As he said if you listened to is blips, it isn't just  
repeating a mantra.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist

[jim_flanegin]

--- In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Jim Flanegin writes snipped:
> Are you kidding me?? That it is OK to die of cancer when on the cusp 
> of enlightenment? Finish the job, for God's sake, and begin enjoying 
> life as a realized being NOW. Do the job in front of you.
> 
> TomT:
> No way to know he was not finished and just living out the rest of 
his
> time. Nisargadata and Ramana Maharishi both went out with cancer. Who
> is to know either way and who cares, as Ramana would say. Who is it
> that wants to know? Tom
>
Just to clarify my comment was directed towards the fellow that said 
if Bill C wasn't enlightened this was OK because he'd come back in 
with a new body. Which I thought was a wasteful rationalization, and 
my comment was directed at him. I have no idea whether or not Bill C 
was enlightened- I never met the man.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Latest from Sam Harris, 2-8-07

[Jonathan Chadwick]

Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
> If you were a TM teacher, did you ever say in
> lectures, as you were taught to do, that it
> is impossible to transcend via concentration?
> Or that TM was the best, most effective method
> of meditation in the world, without having ever
> tried any other types of meditation, much less 
> all of them? 
>   Meditation Book Grant to Dr. Jonathan Shear of Virginia 
> Commonwealth University
  Dr. Jonathan Shear's Book on the Major Meditation Systems of the World
  I. The Project
  Meditation has become mainstream in America, as a part of many health 
programs, as a method of relaxation, and for spiritual growth, and as a topic 
in college courses around the country. There are, of course, already many books 
on the subject of meditation. Some discuss practices within a given tradition 
in a serious way. Others discuss meditation in a general way, but these are 
often superficial and misleading, if not simply inaccurate. But to date there 
is no book that presents in a clear, comprehensive, and systematic way the 
mechanics, theories and effects of the various major meditation systems now 
practiced and discussed in America. The book sponsored by this grant should 
fill this gap. Its contents and structure should enable it to serve as a 
readily accessible, cross-traditional textbook for a wide variety of college 
courses (e.g., religion, psychology, philosophy, multicultural studies, etc.), 
and as an authoritative reference for scholars. In addition, the book
 should be of interest to the many people who practice various forms of 
meditation and would like to know something about procedures other than their 
own, as well as those who are simply curious about the topic. The Infinity 
Foundation is delighted to announce its support of this project.
  Each of the chapters will deal with a single tradition of meditation. In 
order to facilitate inter-traditional comparisons, each chapter will cover the 
following topics:
  (1) historical background
(2) mechanics of the techniques
(3) basic experiences and states
(4) further results (psychological and/or behavioral effects, higher states, 
etc.)
(5) interpretations and implications
  The book will be edited by Dr. Jonathan Shear, who will also write an essay 
for inclusion within it.
  The authors and topics of the chapters are expected to include:

   Robert Thurman and David Gray (Tibetan meditation traditions)
Georg Feuerstein (Sankhya/Yoga)
Jeffrey Schwartz (Therevada Vipasana)
Don Salmon (Sri Aurobindo)
Sri Daya Mata (Kriya Yoga/Yogananda)
Liang Shou Yu and Wu Wen-Ching (Taoism/Qigong)
Llewelyn Vaughn Lee (Sufism)
Basil Pennington (Centering Prayer)
Jonathan Shear (Transcendental Meditation)   II. About the Editor
  Jonathan Shear received a BA in Philosophy and Mathematics summa cum laude 
from Brandeis University, and was a Woodrow Wilson Fellow in Philosophy at the 
University of California at Berkeley where he received his Ph.D. While a 
Fulbright Scholar in Philosophy of Science at the London School of Economics in 
the early 1960's, Dr. Shear became interested in Eastern accounts of aspects of 
mind not ordinarily discussed by Western philosophers and psychologists. This 
led to examination of how Eastern experiential procedures could provide an 
expanded empirical base for our Western theories of mind, knowledge and values, 
as well as regular practice of such procedures themselves, and the significance 
of such procedures and the experiences they produce has remained the focus of 
Prof. Shear's work for nearly forty years. He is author of The Inner Dimension: 
Philosophy and the Experience of Consciousness (Peter Lang), coeditor of The 
View from Within: First-Person Methodologies
 (Imprint Academic), coeditor of Models of the Self (Imprint Academic), and 
editor of Explaining Consciousness:
The Hard Problem (MIT). Prof. Shear is also a founding Editor of the 
multi-disciplinary Journal of Consciousness Studies, and an Affiliated 
Associate Professor of philosophy at Virginia Commonwealth University. 

> Was that logical?
> 
> The claim of "logic" tends to be the lipstick 
> that True Believers (of any ilk) put on the pig
> of their unsubstantiated yet deeply held beliefs.
>
++ You are right - I should have said It doesn't make sense or, it's
BS. N.



 

 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Buddhist Geeks: Alan Wallace on achieving Shamatha

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Buddhist Geeks 2: Alan Wallace on achieving Shamatha. "In our first  
> podcast featuring scholar-practitioner B. Alan Wallace we asked Dr.  
> Wallace to give us the low-down on his spiritual journey, as well as  
> describe the stages of deepening relaxation and vividness of  
> attention leading to the culmination of an attainment he calls  
> shamatha."
> 
> Link: http://www.buddhistgeeks.com/2007/01/15/buddhist-geeks-2-alan- 
> wallace-on-achieving-shamatha/
>

What a tweeb. And this is the stuff you consider superior to TM???

[FairfieldLife] Re: Buddhist Geek: Get a PhD in Contemplative Science

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Buddhist Geeks 4: Get a PhD in Contemplative Science.  "In our second  
> podcast with Alan Wallace, he presents a new model for "professional"  
> contemplatives. Instead of trying to transplant the monastic model to  
> the West, Dr. Wallace suggests that contemplation become an actual  
> profession."
> 
> Link:  http://www.buddhistgeeks.com/2007/01/29/buddhist-geeks-4-get-a- 
> phd-in-contemplative-science/
>


My response:

Lawson English on Feb 12th, 2007 said:
You guys are wy behind the times:

There already exists a full-time, 8-hour-per-day meditation-in-a-group program, 
complete with both a $5000 training scholarship and a $600/month room & board 
grant, 
if you agree to participate for at least 1 year:

http://invincibleamerica.org/

http://invincibleamerica.org/faq.html#scholarships

http://invincibleamerica.org/faq.html#sidhi

[FairfieldLife] Bank Robbery in Fairfield

[dhamiltony2k5]

Just off the scanner in FF, the bank got robbed today.

& what were the dome numbers today?  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest from Sam Harris, 2-8-07

[Nelson]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "coshlnx"  wrote:
> > > 
> > > http://www.tinyurl.com/38mf3l
> > 
> > ++ It is not logical to say something is not so just because 
> > you have not expierienced it.  N.
> 
> If you were a TM teacher, did you ever say in
> lectures, as you were taught to do, that it
> is impossible to transcend via concentration?
> Or that TM was the best, most effective method
> of meditation in the world, without having ever
> tried any other types of meditation, much less 
> all of them? 
> 
> Was that logical?
> 
> The claim of "logic" tends to be the lipstick 
> that True Believers (of any ilk) put on the pig
> of their unsubstantiated yet deeply held beliefs.
>
++ You are right - I should have said It doesn't make sense or, it's
BS.  N.

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Sidhis practice

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Feb 12, 2007, at 3:37 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
> 
> >> I draw a distinction between the coincidental spontaneity of mantra
> >> siddhi and consciously sought after siddhi. In the case of the  
> >> latter,
> >> shakti is aroused up a path other than the sushumna and directly
> >> awakens certain dalas, the petals of the sahasara, giving bliss and
> >> experiences at first but it does not have access to bindu, underlying
> >> oneness, through this pathway. It's a dead end.
> >>
> >> Mantra-siddhi coincidentally awakened is the will of the ishta-devata
> >> put into action which remains untainted by ego or "I" (and therefore
> >> remains an expression of natural law).
> > But when all is said and done it is just simple sound physics  
> > played out
> > at a subtler level of the mind and nervous system.
> 
> 
> Well, I agree and I disagree. Yeah, there is a type of siddhi that  
> relies on sound (mantra) and that mantra effects the subtle body  
> which projects change in the outer. But there are other types and  
> styles of siddhi. For example you can produce siddhi through the use  
> of demons or various spirits or various sacrifices (yagyas), etc.
> 
> It is interesting, in this same vein, Paul Mason recently posted an  
> article on the Tm-Freedom blog discussing two types of siddhi: one  
> sought by cultivating siddhi (e.g. samyama formulae) and that from  
> devotion to ones ishta-devata. SBS recommended the later and not the  
> former. Siddhi via the ishta is a by-product of union/love/samadhi  
> (although as we both know you can also use karma/action mantras to  
> direct the mantra-siddhi) and is supportive of evolution. Samyama  
> taps the dalas via a non-culminating route, which does not lead to  
> union/bindu. Although it does produce a rather addictive kind of  
> bliss and illusory experiences.
>

Of course it does...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Medieval help desk

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRjVeRbhtRU
>
Hilarious! Thanks-

[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest from Sam Harris, 2-8-07

[Nelson]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I think it would be hard for anyone to know what Sam has experienced
> through his meditation practice.  It might be more than a sense of
> silence or a moment of peace.  Perhaps, like me, he has had
> experiences like the kind of detail you are describing and decided not
> to attach the same meaning to it that you have.  The strength of our
> experiences and our beliefs are not an indication of their accuracy. 
> No matter how compelling.
> 
snip
++ If you drive off the road and hit a tree, you would have a strong
expierience- would you not be qualified to have an accurate comment on
it?  N.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Sidhis practice

[Bhairitu]

peterklutz wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Vaj wrote:
>> 
>>> On Feb 12, 2007, at 3:37 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
>>>
>>>   
> I draw a distinction between the coincidental spontaneity of mantra
> siddhi and consciously sought after siddhi. In the case of the
>   
> latter,
>   
> shakti is aroused up a path other than the sushumna and directly
> awakens certain dalas, the petals of the sahasara, giving bliss and
> experiences at first but it does not have access to bindu,
>   
> underlying
>   
> oneness, through this pathway. It's a dead end.
>
> Mantra-siddhi coincidentally awakened is the will of the
>   
> ishta-devata
>   
> put into action which remains untainted by ego or "I" (and therefore
> remains an expression of natural law).
>   
 But when all is said and done it is just simple sound physics
 
> played out
>   
 at a subtler level of the mind and nervous system.
 
>>> Well, I agree and I disagree. Yeah, there is a type of siddhi that 
>>> relies on sound (mantra) and that mantra effects the subtle body
>>>   
> which 
>   
>>> projects change in the outer. But there are other types and styles of 
>>> siddhi. For example you can produce siddhi through the use of demons 
>>> or various spirits or various sacrifices (yagyas), etc.
>>>
>>>   
>> I don't perform those types of siddhis.  Our siddhis are mantra based 
>> (so far).  We can say though they are in English the TM-Sidhis are
>> 
> "sort 
>   
>> of" a mantra.
>> 
>>> It is interesting, in this same vein, Paul Mason recently posted an 
>>> article on the Tm-Freedom blog discussing two types of siddhi: one 
>>> sought by cultivating siddhi (e.g. samyama formulae) and that from 
>>> devotion to ones ishta-devata. SBS recommended the later and not the 
>>> former. Siddhi via the ishta is a by-product of union/love/samadhi 
>>> (although as we both know you can also use karma/action mantras to 
>>> direct the mantra-siddhi) and is supportive of evolution. Samyama
>>>   
> taps 
>   
>>> the dalas via a non-culminating route, which does not lead to 
>>> union/bindu. Although it does produce a rather addictive kind of
>>>   
> bliss 
>   
>>> and illusory experiences.
>>>   
>> The tantric mantras are much more used as tools for healing and 
>> solutions people may need for problems.
>>
>> 
>
> Cool, where do I get some?
>   
http://realtantrasolutions.com

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist

[Jonathan Chadwick]

For us householders, as we get older its usually our kids and ESPECIALLY AN 
EMPATHICALLY CONFRONTATIONAL SPOUSE that force the issues on us.  Is that 
support of nature?

Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  sparaig wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:
>> 
>>> Jim Flanegin writes snipped:
>>> Are you kidding me?? That it is OK to die of cancer when on the cusp 
>>> of enlightenment? Finish the job, for God's sake, and begin enjoying 
>>> life as a realized being NOW. Do the job in front of you.
>>>
>>> TomT:
>>> No way to know he was not finished and just living out the rest of his
>>> time. Nisargadata and Ramana Maharishi both went out with cancer. Who
>>> is to know either way and who cares, as Ramana would say. Who is it
>>> that wants to know? Tom
>>> 
>> I think that is one problem when one becomes enlightened, they start 
>> neglecting the body because they experience no attachment to it. I bet 
>> quite a few here who have been meditating for years and have some degree 
>> of enlightenment keep trying to remind themselves to look into some 
>> medical problem even if it is just a toothache because they only 
>> "witness" it and it is not as overwhelming as it would have been before 
>> they were meditating.
>>
>> 
>
> ???SO much for integration of mind and body...
And thus why you hear about gurus and such (including MMY) getting 
sick. I think to propose that people will have perfect health just 
because they are enlightened is a bit ludicrous and probably displays a 
misunderstanding of what enlightenment is about. I think that one may 
have an opportunity to keep their bodies in better shape with 
enlightenment like a fine tuned sports car but they may not put their 
attention there. I think that would depend on the individual and what 
knowledge they already possess such as ayurveda would be a plus. 
However Robert Svoboda in one of this books on ayurveda tells a tale of 
a major ayurvedic instructor who came down with cancer and one would 
have thought that he would have caught it at its earliest symptoms.



 

 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Right wing nut job behind "24"

[Bhairitu]

bob_brigante wrote:
> the maker of this Fascist cartoon:
>
> http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/070219fa_fact_mayer
>
>
>   
Interesting article.  For those who love the guilty pleasure, "24" is 
two episode tonight.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist

[Jonathan Chadwick]

Ramana Maharshi died from the big c, you know.  When Gurdjieff died doctors 
said his internal organs were so deteriorated that he should have been dead a 
long time ago.  When the ambulance finally carted him off to the hospital about 
a week before, he was wearing the most gaudy striped pajamas imaginable.  He 
then tipped his hat to the crowd and, with a fat cigarette hanging out of his 
mouth, cheered "bravo!"  

shukra69 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Dr Robert Svoboda has commented 
that there is an increased danger of
cancer of those close to Enlightenment because as the individual
identifies less tightly with his own ahamkar the individual cells of
his body can have an less close indentification with each other. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Bill Crist died today from brain cancer. He was on Purusha for decades.
>



 

  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Sidhis practice

[peterklutz]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Vaj wrote:
> >
> > On Feb 12, 2007, at 3:37 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
> >
> >>> I draw a distinction between the coincidental spontaneity of mantra
> >>> siddhi and consciously sought after siddhi. In the case of the
latter,
> >>> shakti is aroused up a path other than the sushumna and directly
> >>> awakens certain dalas, the petals of the sahasara, giving bliss and
> >>> experiences at first but it does not have access to bindu,
underlying
> >>> oneness, through this pathway. It's a dead end.
> >>>
> >>> Mantra-siddhi coincidentally awakened is the will of the
ishta-devata
> >>> put into action which remains untainted by ego or "I" (and therefore
> >>> remains an expression of natural law).
> >> But when all is said and done it is just simple sound physics
played out
> >> at a subtler level of the mind and nervous system.
> >
> >
> > Well, I agree and I disagree. Yeah, there is a type of siddhi that 
> > relies on sound (mantra) and that mantra effects the subtle body
which 
> > projects change in the outer. But there are other types and styles of 
> > siddhi. For example you can produce siddhi through the use of demons 
> > or various spirits or various sacrifices (yagyas), etc.
> >
> I don't perform those types of siddhis.  Our siddhis are mantra based 
> (so far).  We can say though they are in English the TM-Sidhis are
"sort 
> of" a mantra.
> > It is interesting, in this same vein, Paul Mason recently posted an 
> > article on the Tm-Freedom blog discussing two types of siddhi: one 
> > sought by cultivating siddhi (e.g. samyama formulae) and that from 
> > devotion to ones ishta-devata. SBS recommended the later and not the 
> > former. Siddhi via the ishta is a by-product of union/love/samadhi 
> > (although as we both know you can also use karma/action mantras to 
> > direct the mantra-siddhi) and is supportive of evolution. Samyama
taps 
> > the dalas via a non-culminating route, which does not lead to 
> > union/bindu. Although it does produce a rather addictive kind of
bliss 
> > and illusory experiences.
> The tantric mantras are much more used as tools for healing and 
> solutions people may need for problems.
>

Cool, where do I get some?

[FairfieldLife] Medieval help desk

[authfriend]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRjVeRbhtRU

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pt II -- EMF advice from Global Good News

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> On Feb 12, 2007, at 5:19 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Counterbalancing electromagnetic radiation in Maharishi Sthapatya
> >> Veda buildings - Part II
> >> by Global Good News staff writer
> >> . . .
> >> This [their home or "sanctuary"]
> >> is where most people spend over 90 per cent of their time...
> >
> > I rest my case. Shut-In Syndrome.
> >
> > How many of you spend 144 minutes a day or
> > less outside your home? These people think
> > that's how "most" people live their lives.
> >
> > Probably because that's how they live theirs,
> > stuck inside, afraid to leave...and now even
> > afraid of the "sanctuaries" they're hiding in.
> 
> Not to mention that these bulletins, which I expect that someone 
> somewhere out there may find scintillating, are otherwise the best 
> thing since Sominex.  Even the titles are usually enough to cause 
> glazed-eye syndrome.

Well, Barry sure managed to fool Sal.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pt II -- EMF advice from Global Good News

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
wrote:
> >
> > Counterbalancing electromagnetic radiation in Maharishi Sthapatya 
> > Veda buildings - Part II
> > by Global Good News staff writer
> > . . .
> > This [their home or "sanctuary"]
> > is where most people spend over 90 per cent of their time...
> 
> I rest my case. Shut-In Syndrome.
> 
> How many of you spend 144 minutes a day or
> less outside your home? These people think 
> that's how "most" people live their lives.

Not even Barry could be *that* mentally disturbed
as to believe that's what this sentence says.

Which means he's trying to mislead *other readers*
to believe this is what it's saying by not only
quoting out of context but adding the erroneous
material in brackets, hoping nobody remembers
what the rest of it actually said.

I don't know, maybe that's even *more* disturbed.

How many of you think Barry just accidentally
overlooked everything that came before the sentence
he quoted (and altered with his "helpful" editorial
interpolation)?

And if he did, what does that say about the 
coherence of his thinking versus his compulsion to
slam TMers?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pt II -- EMF advice from Global Good News

[Sal Sunshine]

On Feb 12, 2007, at 5:19 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:


Counterbalancing electromagnetic radiation in Maharishi Sthapatya
Veda buildings - Part II
by Global Good News staff writer
. . .
This [their home or "sanctuary"]
is where most people spend over 90 per cent of their time...


I rest my case. Shut-In Syndrome.

How many of you spend 144 minutes a day or
less outside your home? These people think
that's how "most" people live their lives.

Probably because that's how they live theirs,
stuck inside, afraid to leave...and now even
afraid of the "sanctuaries" they're hiding in.


Not to mention that these bulletins, which I expect that someone 
somewhere out there may find scintillating, are otherwise the best 
thing since Sominex.  Even the titles are usually enough to cause 
glazed-eye syndrome.


Sal

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Sidhis practice

[Vaj]

On Feb 12, 2007, at 6:18 PM, Bhairitu wrote:


The tantric mantras are much more used as tools for healing and
solutions people may need for problems.



I agree completely and for my own practice that's all I use action  
mantras for: physical or emotional healing, subjugation or pacification.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Sidhis practice

[Bhairitu]

Patrick Gillam wrote:
>> --- Bhairitu wrote:
>>
>> But when all is said and done it is 
>> just simple sound physics played out 
>> at a subtler level of the mind and 
>> nervous system.
>> 
>
> Bhairitu, if I may ask, what results are you 
> getting from your TM-Sidhis practice?
I no longer practice the TM-Sidhis but I did get some fairly good 
results from some of them.  The siddhis I am practicing now are tantric.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pt II -- EMF advice from Global Good News

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Counterbalancing electromagnetic radiation in Maharishi Sthapatya 
> Veda buildings - Part II
> by Global Good News staff writer
> . . .
> This [their home or "sanctuary"]
> is where most people spend over 90 per cent of their time...

I rest my case. Shut-In Syndrome.

How many of you spend 144 minutes a day or
less outside your home? These people think 
that's how "most" people live their lives.

Probably because that's how they live theirs,
stuck inside, afraid to leave...and now even
afraid of the "sanctuaries" they're hiding in.

Life's sure fun in the Age Of Enlightenment, eh?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Sidhis practice

[Bhairitu]

Vaj wrote:
>
> On Feb 12, 2007, at 3:37 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
>
>>> I draw a distinction between the coincidental spontaneity of mantra
>>> siddhi and consciously sought after siddhi. In the case of the latter,
>>> shakti is aroused up a path other than the sushumna and directly
>>> awakens certain dalas, the petals of the sahasara, giving bliss and
>>> experiences at first but it does not have access to bindu, underlying
>>> oneness, through this pathway. It's a dead end.
>>>
>>> Mantra-siddhi coincidentally awakened is the will of the ishta-devata
>>> put into action which remains untainted by ego or "I" (and therefore
>>> remains an expression of natural law).
>> But when all is said and done it is just simple sound physics played out
>> at a subtler level of the mind and nervous system.
>
>
> Well, I agree and I disagree. Yeah, there is a type of siddhi that 
> relies on sound (mantra) and that mantra effects the subtle body which 
> projects change in the outer. But there are other types and styles of 
> siddhi. For example you can produce siddhi through the use of demons 
> or various spirits or various sacrifices (yagyas), etc.
>
I don't perform those types of siddhis.  Our siddhis are mantra based 
(so far).  We can say though they are in English the TM-Sidhis are "sort 
of" a mantra.
> It is interesting, in this same vein, Paul Mason recently posted an 
> article on the Tm-Freedom blog discussing two types of siddhi: one 
> sought by cultivating siddhi (e.g. samyama formulae) and that from 
> devotion to ones ishta-devata. SBS recommended the later and not the 
> former. Siddhi via the ishta is a by-product of union/love/samadhi 
> (although as we both know you can also use karma/action mantras to 
> direct the mantra-siddhi) and is supportive of evolution. Samyama taps 
> the dalas via a non-culminating route, which does not lead to 
> union/bindu. Although it does produce a rather addictive kind of bliss 
> and illusory experiences.
The tantric mantras are much more used as tools for healing and 
solutions people may need for problems.

[FairfieldLife] Right wing nut job behind "24"

[bob_brigante]

the maker of this Fascist cartoon:

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/070219fa_fact_mayer

[FairfieldLife] Buddhist Geeks: Alan Wallace on achieving Shamatha

[Vaj]

Buddhist Geeks 2: Alan Wallace on achieving Shamatha. "In our first  
podcast featuring scholar-practitioner B. Alan Wallace we asked Dr.  
Wallace to give us the low-down on his spiritual journey, as well as  
describe the stages of deepening relaxation and vividness of  
attention leading to the culmination of an attainment he calls  
shamatha."


Link: http://www.buddhistgeeks.com/2007/01/15/buddhist-geeks-2-alan- 
wallace-on-achieving-shamatha/

[FairfieldLife] Buddhist Geek: Get a PhD in Contemplative Science

[Vaj]

Buddhist Geeks 4: Get a PhD in Contemplative Science.  "In our second  
podcast with Alan Wallace, he presents a new model for “professional”  
contemplatives. Instead of trying to transplant the monastic model to  
the West, Dr. Wallace suggests that contemplation become an actual  
profession."


Link:  http://www.buddhistgeeks.com/2007/01/29/buddhist-geeks-4-get-a- 
phd-in-contemplative-science/

[FairfieldLife] Pt II -- EMF advice from Global Good News

[bob_brigante]

Counterbalancing electromagnetic radiation in Maharishi Sthapatya 
Veda buildings - Part II
by Global Good News staff writer

Global Good NewsTranslate This Article
12 February 2007

Continuing the discussion presented by Global Good News on 10 
February—about counteracting the harmful effects of electrical 
emissions in buildings—the following further information may be 
helpful when designing Vastu buildings and in making workplaces, 
areas for the practice of Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation, and 
homes more safe and comfortable. 

Maharishi Sthapatya Veda homes and other buildings are designed in 
accord with total Natural Law: they are the Constitution of the 
Universe in concrete form. 

Designing these structures according to Maharishi Sthapatya Veda 
ensures that one is always in the most uplifting possible place, in a 
Vastu home or building. Therefore one should never allow any impure 
influence or interference, however subtle, into this sanctuary. This 
is where most people spend over 90 per cent of their time—and where 
those who practise Transcendental Meditation and Yogic Flying are 
cultivating the invincibility of the nation and their own personal 
enlightenment. Having their meditation halls and sleeping areas in 
these buildings, people should exercise all vigilance in keeping 
these areas pure. 

Bau Biology, which has found wide acceptance in Europe and the USA, 
has standards of safety for all emissions. For electricity, there are 
5 types of electromagnetic emissions for which they have standards. 
The World Health Organization has, for some years, been researching 
projects to evaluate the health effects of all electromagnetic 
fields. In the case of cellphones, evidence is becoming quite strong 
that: 
1. the very delicate barrier which prevents the blood from going into 
the brain is disturbed with the use of cellphones, and 
2. cancer is a result. 
One solution is to use an ear-plug extension. 

With digital cordless phones, the radiation peak value on many 
cordless phones is even stronger than on a cellphone base station 
placed near a residential builidng—so this is quite a strong 
radiation to have in one's home. There are two main types of 
mechanisms in cordless phones: 
1. DECT 
2. CTPlus 
CTPlus is somewhat safer than the DECT type. 

While people are still trying to understand the full effects of 
electricity, the different types of electromagnetic fields and how 
they work, what is safe and what isn't—it is wise to take a 
precautionary approach. 

Copyright © 2007 Global Good News(sm) Service 

[FairfieldLife] Book on Heisenberg's uncertainty principle

[bob_brigante]

"But the real uncertainty principle is more precise than that. It 
states that while some phenomena produce a definable range of possible 
outcomes, it is impossible to infer from the outcome which single 
unique event actually produced it. This has evolved, Mr. Lindley says, 
into "a practical, workaday definition of the uncertainty principle 
that most physicists continue to find convenient and at least 
moderately comprehensible — as long as they choose not to think too 
hard about the still unresolved philosophical or metaphysical 
difficulties it throws up."

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/12/books/12masl.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist

[Patrick Gillam]

> --- markmeredith wrote:
>
> I don't know about his final days, 
> but not too long ago some friends
> of his went by his trailer and found 
> him unable to get out of bed,
> lying in his urine, not having had 
> food or any care for a few days. 
> The friends apparently alerted MUM 
> who started some sort of care for
> him prior to his dying.  That's 
> what I've been told.  

Surely Jefferson County has visiting 
nurses, and perhaps hospice care. As 
strapped for funds as those organizations 
are, they generally provide care regardless 
of the patient's ability to pay - which is 
one reason they're always strapped.

I'm sorry to hear Bill Crist may have had 
a difficult time of it at the end. My 
dealings with him were always at arm's 
length and in his official capacities, 
but he dealt with people with dignity.

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Sidhis practice

[Patrick Gillam]

> --- Bhairitu wrote:
>
> But when all is said and done it is 
> just simple sound physics played out 
> at a subtler level of the mind and 
> nervous system.

Bhairitu, if I may ask, what results are you 
getting from your TM-Sidhis practice?

[FairfieldLife] Re: was: Relax. Response precipitated Sidhis? now: TM instruction only settings

[claudiouk]

Perhaps MMY's real achievement to date is his original target 
of "multiplying" himself. He has not bothered with fostering a mass 
movement but has focused on thoroughly embedding his own 
idiosyncratic vision on maybe a few hundred thousand die hard 
supporters. He is now leaving the Movement with a more complete 
elaboration of his initial philosophy, espoused in the Science of 
Being, and presumably believes that even without a mass movement he 
can achieve the whole range of "effects" on individual and society 
his Vedic tradition aspired to. Moreover because his approach so 
often seemed so insane, and he was no real threat to the 
establishment - spiritual or political - and has therefore managed to 
minimize resistance. The really interesting thing now is that in 
THEORY at least his philosophy is the only one (as far as I know) 
that offers a comprehensive antidote to the range of intractable 
problems facing individuals and societies at the present time - from 
individual stress to collective madness in the form of terrorism or 
climatic change. The need for his programme is at its height and the 
Movement is united and primed to respond, should a breakthrough 
opportunity emerge. Given that so many idiotic movements in the world 
have managed, undeservedly, to gain acceptance and support in the 
past there is a good chance that sooner or later a breakthrough for 
MMY, or his heirs, will surely come. I just hope by then they will 
remove the embarassing music and voiceovers in their video 
presentations - although in fairness that would be a small price to 
pay for world peace etc etc. Even if the reality in practice never 
matches the glory of the theory I'd see it as one of those noble, 
glorious failures that just HAD to be tried out. Nevertheless it 
could all have worked equally had there been a "secular" branch of 
TM, just teaching the technique and getting mass support, and a 
more "esoteric" branch of the Movement for those so inclined, much 
like the Buddhist enjoy viz the Benson researchers & the CBT 
psychologists in Massachussets. But then even this way MMY has proved 
himself a maverick odd-ball. Interesting to see whether he'll just 
manage to do enough now to die a hero too...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mainstream20016" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On Behalf Of mainstream20016
> > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 7:51 PM
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] was: Moments of movement now: Relax. 
Response
> > precipitated Sidhis ?
> > 
> > 
> > The widespread popularity of TM probably led Benson to research 
TM 
> > 
> > Somehow Benson linked up with Keith Wallace to do the early 
research. I
> > forgot how they met.
> > 
> > and the creation of 
> > the generic RR technique. 
> > 
> > The popularity of TM definitely inspired him to do that. Benson 
never
> > learned TM, because he claimed that he wanted to remain 
objective. But for a
> > while he was a TM spokesman. One time I drove up to Cambridge from
> > Connecticut to drive him down to Yale for a lecture, and then 
back to
> > Cambridge.
> > 
> >  Benson's claims of RR technique's equality with TM coincided 
with the
> > development 
> > of the TM-Sidhi program (earliest development of TM-Sidhi courses 
in late
> > 1975). Might 
> > the development of the Sidhis program been a premature reaction 
to the
> > competition from 
> > the RR technique? 
> > 
> > Might have been. Benson tried to follow suit for a while, or at 
least made
> > some initial investigations. He travelled to Tibet to find yogis 
who could
> > perform sidhis. He did find some who could do more than any TMer 
I've ever
> > met. He observed a group of monks who could dry wet clothing in 
10 degree
> > weather by generating body heat. This adventure inspired him to 
write Beyond
> > the Relaxation Response - http://tinyurl.com/2goac8
> > 
> > The development of the Sidhis caused a huge inward stroke in the 
TM 
> > movement's organization, and a corresponding decreased presence 
in the
> > market - the 
> > field TM teachers vacated the market in favor of attending long 
rounding
> > courses that 
> > taught the teachers the Sidhis. 
> > 
> > It also scared away a lot of celebrities like Mary Tyler Moore and
> > professionals like Dr. Charles Glueck – head of The Institute of 
Living –
> > who had become a supporter.
> > 
> > I'm curious to hear any suggestions as to how the TM movement 
might have 
> > thrived with just the basic TM instruction remaining as its only 
product,
> > rather than what 
> > actually happened with the introduction of the Sidhis as the 
product that
> > represented the 
> > movement. 
> > 
> > My guess is that if MMY had stuck to his core message of TM, and 
conducted
> > himself sensibly and with compassion for his teachers, the 
movement would be
> > much

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Sidhis practice

[Vaj]

On Feb 12, 2007, at 3:37 PM, Bhairitu wrote:


I draw a distinction between the coincidental spontaneity of mantra
siddhi and consciously sought after siddhi. In the case of the  
latter,

shakti is aroused up a path other than the sushumna and directly
awakens certain dalas, the petals of the sahasara, giving bliss and
experiences at first but it does not have access to bindu, underlying
oneness, through this pathway. It's a dead end.

Mantra-siddhi coincidentally awakened is the will of the ishta-devata
put into action which remains untainted by ego or "I" (and therefore
remains an expression of natural law).
But when all is said and done it is just simple sound physics  
played out

at a subtler level of the mind and nervous system.



Well, I agree and I disagree. Yeah, there is a type of siddhi that  
relies on sound (mantra) and that mantra effects the subtle body  
which projects change in the outer. But there are other types and  
styles of siddhi. For example you can produce siddhi through the use  
of demons or various spirits or various sacrifices (yagyas), etc.


It is interesting, in this same vein, Paul Mason recently posted an  
article on the Tm-Freedom blog discussing two types of siddhi: one  
sought by cultivating siddhi (e.g. samyama formulae) and that from  
devotion to ones ishta-devata. SBS recommended the later and not the  
former. Siddhi via the ishta is a by-product of union/love/samadhi  
(although as we both know you can also use karma/action mantras to  
direct the mantra-siddhi) and is supportive of evolution. Samyama  
taps the dalas via a non-culminating route, which does not lead to  
union/bindu. Although it does produce a rather addictive kind of  
bliss and illusory experiences.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist

[Bhairitu]

curtisdeltablues wrote:
> "I think to propose that people will have perfect health just
> because they are enlightened is a bit ludicrous and probably displays
> a misunderstanding of what enlightenment is about."
>
>
> Then you need to straighten MMY out on this point cuz he uses it in
> his sales pitch all the time. Perfect health and immortality, or was
> it perfect wealth and immorality?
>   
More likely the latter but then that really didn't work for folks 
either.  ;-)

>  
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> sparaig wrote:
>> 
>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>>>   
>>>   
 tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:
 
 
> Jim Flanegin writes snipped:
> Are you kidding me?? That it is OK to die of cancer when on the
>   
> cusp 
>   
> of enlightenment? Finish the job, for God's sake, and begin
>   
> enjoying 
>   
> life as a realized being NOW. Do the job in front of you.
>
> TomT:
> No way to know he was not finished and just living out the rest
>   
> of his
>   
> time. Nisargadata and Ramana Maharishi both went out with
>   
> cancer. Who
>   
> is to know either way and who cares, as Ramana would say. Who is it
> that wants to know? Tom
>   
>   
 I think that is one problem when one becomes enlightened, they start 
 neglecting the body because they experience no attachment to it.
 
>  I bet 
>   
 quite a few here who have been meditating for years and have some
 
> degree 
>   
 of enlightenment keep trying to remind themselves to look into some 
 medical problem even if it is just a toothache because they only 
 "witness" it and it is not as overwhelming as it would have been
 
> before 
>   
 they were meditating.

 
 
>>> ???SO much for integration of mind and body...
>>>   
>> And thus why you hear about gurus and such (including MMY) getting 
>> sick.  I think to propose that people will have perfect health just 
>> because they are enlightened is a bit ludicrous and probably displays a 
>> misunderstanding of what enlightenment is about.  I think that one may 
>> have an opportunity to keep their bodies in better shape with 
>> enlightenment like a fine tuned sports car but they may not put their 
>> attention there.  I think that would depend on the individual and what 
>> knowledge they already possess such as ayurveda would be a plus.  
>> However Robert Svoboda in one of this books on ayurveda tells a tale of 
>> a major ayurvedic instructor who came down with cancer and one would 
>> have thought that he would have caught it at its earliest symptoms.
>>
>> 
>
>
>
>   

RE: [FairfieldLife] was: Relax. Response precipitated Sidhis? now: TM instruction only settings

[llundrub]

I'm teaching a group of stoners how to cross over with Tara Mantra and they
will live in a group and get stoned and radiate Tara vibes. How awesome they
are!

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist

[curtisdeltablues]

"I think to propose that people will have perfect health just
because they are enlightened is a bit ludicrous and probably displays
a misunderstanding of what enlightenment is about."


Then you need to straighten MMY out on this point cuz he uses it in
his sales pitch all the time. Perfect health and immortality, or was
it perfect wealth and immorality?
 



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> sparaig wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >   
> >> tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Jim Flanegin writes snipped:
> >>> Are you kidding me?? That it is OK to die of cancer when on the
cusp 
> >>> of enlightenment? Finish the job, for God's sake, and begin
enjoying 
> >>> life as a realized being NOW. Do the job in front of you.
> >>>
> >>> TomT:
> >>> No way to know he was not finished and just living out the rest
of his
> >>> time. Nisargadata and Ramana Maharishi both went out with
cancer. Who
> >>> is to know either way and who cares, as Ramana would say. Who is it
> >>> that wants to know? Tom
> >>>   
> >> I think that is one problem when one becomes enlightened, they start 
> >> neglecting the body because they experience no attachment to it.
 I bet 
> >> quite a few here who have been meditating for years and have some
degree 
> >> of enlightenment keep trying to remind themselves to look into some 
> >> medical problem even if it is just a toothache because they only 
> >> "witness" it and it is not as overwhelming as it would have been
before 
> >> they were meditating.
> >>
> >> 
> >
> > ???SO much for integration of mind and body...
> And thus why you hear about gurus and such (including MMY) getting 
> sick.  I think to propose that people will have perfect health just 
> because they are enlightened is a bit ludicrous and probably displays a 
> misunderstanding of what enlightenment is about.  I think that one may 
> have an opportunity to keep their bodies in better shape with 
> enlightenment like a fine tuned sports car but they may not put their 
> attention there.  I think that would depend on the individual and what 
> knowledge they already possess such as ayurveda would be a plus.  
> However Robert Svoboda in one of this books on ayurveda tells a tale of 
> a major ayurvedic instructor who came down with cancer and one would 
> have thought that he would have caught it at its earliest symptoms.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Sidhis practice

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of sparaig
> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 1:41 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Sidhis practice
> 
>  
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > On Feb 12, 2007, at 12:31 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:
> > 
> > > For me the Sidhis are now known to be part of my DNA. I have seen them
> > > there vibrating. I also know my DNA to be the DNA of all creation. I
> > > can no longer do them or find them as they are now me, who I am. As
> > > are all of the mantras/advanced techniques. My meditation consists of
> > > sitting in silence savoring the vibratory quality of my DNA. Tom
> > 
> > 
> > I hope you use tissues.
> >
> 
> You know, I don't really believe that Tom's perception is "valid," though of
> course I might be 
> wrong, but I didn't bother to challenge it because, of course, I
> couldn't--it is HIS experience, 
> afterall. OTOH, you felt a need to attack it by making some silly little
> joke.
> 
>  
> 
> My question is - DNA is a chemical structure found only in biological
> systems. How can "all of creation" have DNA? And if you are seeing the DNA
> are you literally seeing the double-helix structure, as you would under an
> electron microscope? If necessary, could you identify its components? More
> on DNA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA
>

I think he was using "DNA" as a metaphor. In a sense, the Vedas could be seen 
as the DNA 
of the universe, and I think that MMY uses that analogy at times: the entire 
bluepritn of 
nature contained in the ultimate compact form that unfolds itself into all of 
manifest 
creation.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> sparaig wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >   
> >> tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Jim Flanegin writes snipped:
> >>> Are you kidding me?? That it is OK to die of cancer when on the cusp 
> >>> of enlightenment? Finish the job, for God's sake, and begin enjoying 
> >>> life as a realized being NOW. Do the job in front of you.
> >>>
> >>> TomT:
> >>> No way to know he was not finished and just living out the rest of his
> >>> time. Nisargadata and Ramana Maharishi both went out with cancer. Who
> >>> is to know either way and who cares, as Ramana would say. Who is it
> >>> that wants to know? Tom
> >>>   
> >> I think that is one problem when one becomes enlightened, they start 
> >> neglecting the body because they experience no attachment to it.  I bet 
> >> quite a few here who have been meditating for years and have some degree 
> >> of enlightenment keep trying to remind themselves to look into some 
> >> medical problem even if it is just a toothache because they only 
> >> "witness" it and it is not as overwhelming as it would have been before 
> >> they were meditating.
> >>
> >> 
> >
> > ???SO much for integration of mind and body...
> And thus why you hear about gurus and such (including MMY) getting 
> sick.  I think to propose that people will have perfect health just 
> because they are enlightened is a bit ludicrous and probably displays a 
> misunderstanding of what enlightenment is about.  I think that one may 
> have an opportunity to keep their bodies in better shape with 
> enlightenment like a fine tuned sports car but they may not put their 
> attention there.  I think that would depend on the individual and what 
> knowledge they already possess such as ayurveda would be a plus.  
> However Robert Svoboda in one of this books on ayurveda tells a tale of 
> a major ayurvedic instructor who came down with cancer and one would 
> have thought that he would have caught it at its earliest symptoms.
>

There's enlightenment and there's enlightenment. FULL enlightenment requires 
the ability 
to perform any and all sidhis perfectly.

I recall a lecture by Keith Wallace many years ago where MMY challanged people 
to come 
up with a clear sign of physical immortality. Keith's answer was the one MMY 
latched onto: 
the ability to float. If your Unity is at THAT level of integration, then all 
of your immediate 
environment naturally reflects this state. "Immediate environment" includes 
"body" and 
"mind."

[FairfieldLife] was: Relax. Response precipitated Sidhis? now: TM instruction only settings

[mainstream20016]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of mainstream20016
> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 7:51 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] was: Moments of movement now: Relax. Response
> precipitated Sidhis ?
> 
> 
> The widespread popularity of TM probably led Benson to research TM 
> 
> Somehow Benson linked up with Keith Wallace to do the early research. I
> forgot how they met.
> 
> and the creation of 
> the generic RR technique. 
> 
> The popularity of TM definitely inspired him to do that. Benson never
> learned TM, because he claimed that he wanted to remain objective. But for a
> while he was a TM spokesman. One time I drove up to Cambridge from
> Connecticut to drive him down to Yale for a lecture, and then back to
> Cambridge.
> 
>  Benson's claims of RR technique's equality with TM coincided with the
> development 
> of the TM-Sidhi program (earliest development of TM-Sidhi courses in late
> 1975). Might 
> the development of the Sidhis program been a premature reaction to the
> competition from 
> the RR technique? 
> 
> Might have been. Benson tried to follow suit for a while, or at least made
> some initial investigations. He travelled to Tibet to find yogis who could
> perform sidhis. He did find some who could do more than any TMer I've ever
> met. He observed a group of monks who could dry wet clothing in 10 degree
> weather by generating body heat. This adventure inspired him to write Beyond
> the Relaxation Response - http://tinyurl.com/2goac8
> 
> The development of the Sidhis caused a huge inward stroke in the TM 
> movement's organization, and a corresponding decreased presence in the
> market - the 
> field TM teachers vacated the market in favor of attending long rounding
> courses that 
> taught the teachers the Sidhis. 
> 
> It also scared away a lot of celebrities like Mary Tyler Moore and
> professionals like Dr. Charles Glueck – head of The Institute of Living –
> who had become a supporter.
> 
> I'm curious to hear any suggestions as to how the TM movement might have 
> thrived with just the basic TM instruction remaining as its only product,
> rather than what 
> actually happened with the introduction of the Sidhis as the product that
> represented the 
> movement. 
> 
> My guess is that if MMY had stuck to his core message of TM, and conducted
> himself sensibly and with compassion for his teachers, the movement would be
> much more mainstream than it is today. It still wouldn't be in the schools
> because of the puja and other Hindu associations, but far more people would
> have become participants than have. Claims of flying, Rajas, etc., put TM
> far outside the mainstream, and although the movement tries to put up a
> public façade which hides these things, anyone who becomes more than mildly
> curious discovers them and most steer clear.

How might the TM movement today offer instruction of just the basic TM 
technique?   
Might a fully certified branch organization be created that would have as its 
mission to 
teach only the TM technique, residence courses, and SCI, and nothing else?
Perhaps if a certified yet distinctly independent organization were created, 
the general 
public might be secure in approaching such a setting where just basic TM 
instruction 
occured --a setting where the basic experience of transcendence was considered 
self-
sufficient to generate maximum well-being, and where one would never be enticed 
to 
consider acquiring additional products or services? How might such an 
arrangement be 
created today, to the benefit of all ?
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Age of Aquarius?

[george_deforest]

yah, quite so, i succumbed to a little "mood-making"  ;-)

its just the dawning of the ~month~ 
of Aquarius (sidereal solar transit) ... 
with Jupiter aligned with Mars.

but, i do like that song (nostalgia!)
and here is a video link to it:

5th Dimension, on TV way back then
  http://www.evtv1.com/vidsensep.asp?itemnum=591 


> Bhairitu wrote:
> Of course by astronomy and proper astrology 
> the "Age of Aquarius" is quite a few years off.  :)
>
>
>
>> george_deforest wrote:
>> 
>> from the 1969 rock opera "Hair" by Galt McDermott
>> Lyrics for: Aquarius/Let the Sunshine In 
>> (recorded by 5th Dimension)
>>
>> "When the moon is in the seventh house,
>> And Jupiter aligns with Mars ...
>> Then peace will guide the planets,
>> And love will steer the stars.
>>
>> Chorus: "This is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius,
>> Age of Aquarius. Aquarius, Aquarius!
>>
>> "Harmony and understanding,
>> Sympathy and trust abounding.
>> No more falsehoods or derisions,
>> Golden living dreams of vision.
>> Mystic crystal revelation ...
>> And the mind's true liberation:
>> Aquarius, Aquarius!
>>
>> "Let the sun shine.
>> Let the sun shine in,
>> Oh sun, shine in!"
>>
>>   
>>
>> it so happens, in the Jyotish zodiac (not Western),
>> the Sun is moving into Aquarius  ~this evening~ (2/12/07),
>> [Sun = our sense of truthful identity and purpose]
>>
>> And in addition, we have Jupiter in Scorpio, a Mars-ruled sign;
>> and Mars in Sagittarius, a Jupiter-ruled sign: this is 
>> referred to as a Mutual Exchange of planetary energies.
>>
>> according to my friend, San Francisco jyotishi Sam Geppi:
>> Jupiter = our philosophies, guiding principles and social duties,
>> Mars = our courage and vital strength
>>
>> thus, the current Mars/Jupiter exchange is quite favorable: it
>> "unites our courageous and powerful actions with a 
>> worthy, uplifting goal." = a very good time for aggressive
>> spiritual practises, like Invincible America!

[FairfieldLife] Re: was: 'It comes from...' now - Dome Air System is Great

[peterklutz]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mainstream20016"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "peterklutz"  wrote:
> > The air in the men's Dome is a spiritual version of the Nazi gas
> > chambers. They will remain so until someone installs several
> > industrial strength ventilators and makes it mandatory for visitors to
> > have a thorough shower before the program and wear only clean
> > clothing. Then there is all the coughing, farting, sneezing, and
> > walking about - end what else the Hell is going on in there..
> 
> The Dome Air Ventilation System is Fabulous.  It quietly yet
effectively moves copious 
> amounts of gentle fresh air continuously, seemingly 24/7.   The
Ventilation System in the 
> Dome helps to make program there wonderful.   
>  There was a time, early 80s, when at liftoff, large,
industrial-strength fans kicked in, 
> producing noise and harsh breezes.  The pre-lift-off ventilation was
inadequate, and the lift-
> off ventilation was overkill. No longer. Thankfully,
improvements were made, and someone 
> deserves great credit for them. Program in the dome is really
great now.
>

Your mouth and keyboard are just as full of shit on this subject as
the air in the Dome is bad.

Maybe you should reinstall these industrial strength fans again, and
maybe your sense of smell and brain, both apparently shut down, might
awaken again.

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist

[Bhairitu]

sparaig wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:
>> 
>>> Jim Flanegin writes snipped:
>>> Are you kidding me?? That it is OK to die of cancer when on the cusp 
>>> of enlightenment? Finish the job, for God's sake, and begin enjoying 
>>> life as a realized being NOW. Do the job in front of you.
>>>
>>> TomT:
>>> No way to know he was not finished and just living out the rest of his
>>> time. Nisargadata and Ramana Maharishi both went out with cancer. Who
>>> is to know either way and who cares, as Ramana would say. Who is it
>>> that wants to know? Tom
>>>   
>> I think that is one problem when one becomes enlightened, they start 
>> neglecting the body because they experience no attachment to it.  I bet 
>> quite a few here who have been meditating for years and have some degree 
>> of enlightenment keep trying to remind themselves to look into some 
>> medical problem even if it is just a toothache because they only 
>> "witness" it and it is not as overwhelming as it would have been before 
>> they were meditating.
>>
>> 
>
> ???SO much for integration of mind and body...
And thus why you hear about gurus and such (including MMY) getting 
sick.  I think to propose that people will have perfect health just 
because they are enlightened is a bit ludicrous and probably displays a 
misunderstanding of what enlightenment is about.  I think that one may 
have an opportunity to keep their bodies in better shape with 
enlightenment like a fine tuned sports car but they may not put their 
attention there.  I think that would depend on the individual and what 
knowledge they already possess such as ayurveda would be a plus.  
However Robert Svoboda in one of this books on ayurveda tells a tale of 
a major ayurvedic instructor who came down with cancer and one would 
have thought that he would have caught it at its earliest symptoms.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Sidhis practice

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of sparaig
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 1:41 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Sidhis practice

 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Feb 12, 2007, at 12:31 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:
> 
> > For me the Sidhis are now known to be part of my DNA. I have seen them
> > there vibrating. I also know my DNA to be the DNA of all creation. I
> > can no longer do them or find them as they are now me, who I am. As
> > are all of the mantras/advanced techniques. My meditation consists of
> > sitting in silence savoring the vibratory quality of my DNA. Tom
> 
> 
> I hope you use tissues.
>

You know, I don't really believe that Tom's perception is "valid," though of
course I might be 
wrong, but I didn't bother to challenge it because, of course, I
couldn't--it is HIS experience, 
afterall. OTOH, you felt a need to attack it by making some silly little
joke.

 

My question is - DNA is a chemical structure found only in biological
systems. How can "all of creation" have DNA? And if you are seeing the DNA
are you literally seeing the double-helix structure, as you would under an
electron microscope? If necessary, could you identify its components? More
on DNA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Sidhis practice

[Bhairitu]

Vaj wrote:
>
> On Feb 12, 2007, at 2:29 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
>
>> Of course as you konw Vaj siddhis as well as mantras work on the
>> principles of the physics of sound or known as the science nada yoga.  I
>> suppose at a very low level they "might" effect the DNA.  It is just sad
>> that in these discussions there is an ignorance of this important yogic
>> science.  To me it is very clear: the mantras resonate with my nervous
>> system and then modify it until it sustains that experience and thus you
>> have mantra siddhi.  It is the same law of physics that makes a glass
>> vibrate when it is at a resonant frequency.  However the glass does not
>> have the flexibility to adapt to the vibration and if too intense 
>> shatters.
>
> I draw a distinction between the coincidental spontaneity of mantra 
> siddhi and consciously sought after siddhi. In the case of the latter, 
> shakti is aroused up a path other than the sushumna and directly 
> awakens certain dalas, the petals of the sahasara, giving bliss and 
> experiences at first but it does not have access to bindu, underlying 
> oneness, through this pathway. It's a dead end.
>
> Mantra-siddhi coincidentally awakened is the will of the ishta-devata 
> put into action which remains untainted by ego or "I" (and therefore 
> remains an expression of natural law).
But when all is said and done it is just simple sound physics played out 
at a subtler level of the mind and nervous system.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:
> > Jim Flanegin writes snipped:
> > Are you kidding me?? That it is OK to die of cancer when on the cusp 
> > of enlightenment? Finish the job, for God's sake, and begin enjoying 
> > life as a realized being NOW. Do the job in front of you.
> >
> > TomT:
> > No way to know he was not finished and just living out the rest of his
> > time. Nisargadata and Ramana Maharishi both went out with cancer. Who
> > is to know either way and who cares, as Ramana would say. Who is it
> > that wants to know? Tom
> I think that is one problem when one becomes enlightened, they start 
> neglecting the body because they experience no attachment to it.  I bet 
> quite a few here who have been meditating for years and have some degree 
> of enlightenment keep trying to remind themselves to look into some 
> medical problem even if it is just a toothache because they only 
> "witness" it and it is not as overwhelming as it would have been before 
> they were meditating.
>

???SO much for integration of mind and body...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist

[markmeredith2002]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of mainstream20016
> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 11:09 AM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist
> 
>  
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > Bill Crist died today from brain cancer. He was on Purusha for
decades.
> 
> Bill had neuroplasty (brain surgery) about a year ago, an attempt to
remove
> the cancer.
> He probably was one of the first members of Purusha. Earlier, he was
a very
> high-level MIU 
> administrator, rather quiet and focused, yet very sharp when called
upon by
> Bevan or Lennie
> in public to give practical suggestions to respond to issues of concern
> brought to the 
> attention of the leadership of MIU.
> He was recently a regular visitor to the Annapurna Dining Hall. I got to
> know him there. His 
> personnae had mellowed considerably since his MIU Administrator days. He
> seemed to be 
> enjoying everyone around him. I hope he died in peace. Thanks, Rick, for
> sharing the 
> news of his passing. 

I don't know about his final days, but not too long ago some friends
of his went by his trailer and found him unable to get out of bed,
lying in his urine, not having had food or any care for a few days. 
The friends apparently alerted MUM who started some sort of care for
him prior to his dying.  That's what I've been told.  Any other info
on this?  It's becoming a more common problem within the mov't. 
There's apparently a recert gov. in the field who's in the hospital
with cancer with no family or friends there to help take care of her. 

My wife has taken care of a couple MDs who got cancer and had to leave
the MD course.  IT's a huge hassle as they tend to have poor relations
if any with their biological family, no money and no insurance.

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "george_deforest" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > >> Rick Archer wrote:
> > >> Bill Crist died today from brain cancer. 
> > >> He was on Purusha for decades.
> > > 
> > > shukra69 wrote:
> > > Dr Robert Svoboda has commented that there is an increased danger
> > > of cancer of those close to Enlightenment because 
> > > as the individual identifies less tightly with his own ahamkar 
> > > the individual cells of his body can have an less close
> > > indentification with each other.  
> > 
> > this is not a bad thing, imo...
> > 
> > a soul real close to enlightenment will probably
> > come back to the earth plane right away,
> > and now he gets to finish the job with a brand new body.
> >
> Are you kidding me?? That it is OK to die of cancer when on the cusp 
> of enlightenment? Finish the job, for God's sake, and begin enjoying 
> life as a realized being NOW. Do the job in front of you.
> 
> And the doctor's explanation above is absurd. Cancer is the body 
> attacking itself, not losing identification with its individual 
> components. Enlightenment is about seeing others as more like 
> ourselves. It is a unifying process, not an alienating one. Less 
> identification on the way to enlightenment has to do with 
> attachment, not attacking and alienating.
>

Trying to make analogies is silly in this case. Cancer occurs when a normal 
cell goes 
haywire but the body's defenses do NOT recognize it as haywire, so it isn't 
destroyed as 
defective.

Two things happen at the same time: the cell malfunctions AND the immune system 
fucks 
up.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Sidhis practice

[Vaj]

On Feb 12, 2007, at 2:29 PM, Bhairitu wrote:


Of course as you konw Vaj siddhis as well as mantras work on the
principles of the physics of sound or known as the science nada  
yoga.  I
suppose at a very low level they "might" effect the DNA.  It is  
just sad
that in these discussions there is an ignorance of this important  
yogic

science.  To me it is very clear: the mantras resonate with my nervous
system and then modify it until it sustains that experience and  
thus you

have mantra siddhi.  It is the same law of physics that makes a glass
vibrate when it is at a resonant frequency.  However the glass does  
not
have the flexibility to adapt to the vibration and if too intense  
shatters.


I draw a distinction between the coincidental spontaneity of mantra  
siddhi and consciously sought after siddhi. In the case of the  
latter, shakti is aroused up a path other than the sushumna and  
directly awakens certain dalas, the petals of the sahasara, giving  
bliss and experiences at first but it does not have access to bindu,  
underlying oneness, through this pathway. It's a dead end.


Mantra-siddhi coincidentally awakened is the will of the ishta-devata  
put into action which remains untainted by ego or "I" (and therefore  
remains an expression of natural law).

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Sidhis practice

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Feb 12, 2007, at 12:31 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:
> 
> > For me the Sidhis are now known to be part of my DNA. I have seen them
> > there vibrating. I also know my DNA to be the DNA of all creation. I
> > can no longer do them or find them as they are now me, who I am. As
> > are all of the mantras/advanced techniques.  My meditation consists of
> > sitting in silence savoring the vibratory quality of my DNA. Tom
> 
> 
> I hope you use tissues.
>


You know, I don't really believe that Tom's perception is "valid," though of 
course I might be 
wrong, but I didn't bother to challenge it because, of course, I couldn't--it 
is HIS experience, 
afterall. OTOH, you felt a need to attack it by making some silly little joke.

Why is that?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist

[Bhairitu]

tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:
> Jim Flanegin writes snipped:
> Are you kidding me?? That it is OK to die of cancer when on the cusp 
> of enlightenment? Finish the job, for God's sake, and begin enjoying 
> life as a realized being NOW. Do the job in front of you.
>
> TomT:
> No way to know he was not finished and just living out the rest of his
> time. Nisargadata and Ramana Maharishi both went out with cancer. Who
> is to know either way and who cares, as Ramana would say. Who is it
> that wants to know? Tom
I think that is one problem when one becomes enlightened, they start 
neglecting the body because they experience no attachment to it.  I bet 
quite a few here who have been meditating for years and have some degree 
of enlightenment keep trying to remind themselves to look into some 
medical problem even if it is just a toothache because they only 
"witness" it and it is not as overwhelming as it would have been before 
they were meditating.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Age of Aquarius?

[Bhairitu]

george_deforest wrote:
> from the 1969 rock opera "Hair" by Galt McDermott
> Lyrics for: Aquarius/Let the Sunshine In (recorded by 5th Dimension)
>
> "When the moon is in the seventh house,
> And Jupiter aligns with Mars ...
> Then peace will guide the planets,
> And love will steer the stars.
>
> Chorus: "This is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius,
> Age of Aquarius. Aquarius, Aquarius!
>
> "Harmony and understanding,
> Sympathy and trust abounding.
> No more falsehoods or derisions,
> Golden living dreams of vision.
> Mystic crystal revelation ...
> And the mind's true liberation:
> Aquarius, Aquarius!
>
> "Let the sun shine.
> Let the sun shine in,
> Oh sun, shine in!"
>
>   
>
> it so happens, in the Jyotish zodiac (not Western),
> the Sun is moving into Aquarius  ~this evening~ (2/12/07),
> [Sun = our sense of truthful identity and purpose]
>
> And in addition, we have Jupiter in Scorpio, a Mars-ruled sign;
> and Mars in Sagittarius, a Jupiter-ruled sign: this is 
> referred to as a Mutual Exchange of planetary energies.
>
> according to my friend, San Francisco jyotishi Sam Geppi:
> Jupiter = our philosophies, guiding principles and social duties,
> Mars = our courage and vital strength
>
> thus, the current Mars/Jupiter exchange is quite favorable: it
> "unites our courageous and powerful actions with a 
> worthy, uplifting goal." = a very good time for aggressive
> spiritual practises, like Invincible America!
>
>   
  
 
>
> it does not surprise me that the song lyrics from Hair
> seem quite accurate (according to the above jyotish insights).
>
> i happen to be from Staten Island, and so does Galt McDermot.
>
> Not that anything too great comes from Staten Island,
> (other than the worlds largest garbage dump, lol)
> but it so happens i knew his son Vincent McDermot, because 
> we both went to the same TM Center!
>
> pretty cosmic, huh? its all connected ... aham brahmasmi!
>
>
>   
Of course by astronomy and proper astrology the "Age of Aquarius" is 
quite a few years off.  :)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Sidhis practice

[Bhairitu]

Vaj wrote:
>
> On Feb 12, 2007, at 12:31 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:
>
>> For me the Sidhis are now known to be part of my DNA. I have seen them
>> there vibrating. I also know my DNA to be the DNA of all creation. I
>> can no longer do them or find them as they are now me, who I am. As
>> are all of the mantras/advanced techniques.  My meditation consists of
>> sitting in silence savoring the vibratory quality of my DNA. Tom
>
>
> I hope you use tissues.
Of course as you konw Vaj siddhis as well as mantras work on the 
principles of the physics of sound or known as the science nada yoga.  I 
suppose at a very low level they "might" effect the DNA.  It is just sad 
that in these discussions there is an ignorance of this important yogic 
science.  To me it is very clear: the mantras resonate with my nervous 
system and then modify it until it sustains that experience and thus you 
have mantra siddhi.  It is the same law of physics that makes a glass 
vibrate when it is at a resonant frequency.  However the glass does not 
have the flexibility to adapt to the vibration and if too intense shatters.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist

[tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis]

Jim Flanegin writes snipped:
Are you kidding me?? That it is OK to die of cancer when on the cusp 
of enlightenment? Finish the job, for God's sake, and begin enjoying 
life as a realized being NOW. Do the job in front of you.

TomT:
No way to know he was not finished and just living out the rest of his
time. Nisargadata and Ramana Maharishi both went out with cancer. Who
is to know either way and who cares, as Ramana would say. Who is it
that wants to know? Tom

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of mainstream20016
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 11:09 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist

 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Bill Crist died today from brain cancer. He was on Purusha for decades.

Bill had neuroplasty (brain surgery) about a year ago, an attempt to remove
the cancer.
He probably was one of the first members of Purusha. Earlier, he was a very
high-level MIU 
administrator, rather quiet and focused, yet very sharp when called upon by
Bevan or Lennie
in public to give practical suggestions to respond to issues of concern
brought to the 
attention of the leadership of MIU.
He was recently a regular visitor to the Annapurna Dining Hall. I got to
know him there. His 
personnae had mellowed considerably since his MIU Administrator days. He
seemed to be 
enjoying everyone around him. I hope he died in peace. Thanks, Rick, for
sharing the 
news of his passing. 

LB Shriver told me yesterday that a few weeks ago, Bill approached him in
Revelations and expressed his appreciation for the contributions LB had made
to MIU as student body president. LB said that was when he began to leave
the TMO orbit, because he was such an iconoclast. Seems like Bill felt like
reaching closure with some people before he checked out.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Sidhis practice

[Vaj]

On Feb 12, 2007, at 12:31 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:


For me the Sidhis are now known to be part of my DNA. I have seen them
there vibrating. I also know my DNA to be the DNA of all creation. I
can no longer do them or find them as they are now me, who I am. As
are all of the mantras/advanced techniques.  My meditation consists of
sitting in silence savoring the vibratory quality of my DNA. Tom



I hope you use tissues.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest from Sam Harris, 2-8-07

[curtisdeltablues]

Nice quote, I think that Sam's point is that the line has been crossed
in society from "mind your own business about my personal beliefs" to
a need to challenge the type of beliefs that is supporting some pretty
hideous actions.  There are too many tribes of monkeys for this to
work but it makes me feel sane to see these issues raised.  Today some
car bombs killed 71 in Baghdad.  Does anyone else think that the guys
who did it believed that this action would be rewarded in heaven?  In
fact I'll go further, these guys "knew" this fact was literally true
so compellingly that they bet their lives on it.  Think of the
congruence of a belief that would allow you to calmly drive to a
public area and ignite a bomb.  With all of our social programming not
to kill each other, they "knew" it was the right and moral thing to do
to blow innocent people to bits.  The clusters of beliefs that had to
be in place to make this happen, against the natural instinct for
self-preservation is mind boggling!  We have watched people oppress
women because it was their right to religious freedom and the
religious moderates said we couldn't attack their beliefs protected by
the concept of "religion".  Now it is time to say "I don't care where
you got this idea,, scripture, mystical experience or tradition, it is
barbaric and wrong.  In most cases slippery slope arguments are so
lame, but in this case we are already all the way down the slope!



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
"tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> curtis writes snipped:
> At first I thought I just disagreed with you
> about what we can be confident about in our knowledge from subjective
> experience, but then I felt like you were making a different
> distinction concerning how we form our own beliefs.  It is quite a
> vigerous dance with a lots of stomped toes!
> 
> Tom T
> As Byron Katies asks, How do I know any of this is true?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "george_deforest" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> Rick Archer wrote:
> >> Bill Crist died today from brain cancer. 
> >> He was on Purusha for decades.
> > 
> > shukra69 wrote:
> > Dr Robert Svoboda has commented that there is an increased danger
> > of cancer of those close to Enlightenment because 
> > as the individual identifies less tightly with his own ahamkar 
> > the individual cells of his body can have an less close
> > indentification with each other.  
> 
> this is not a bad thing, imo...
> 
> a soul real close to enlightenment will probably
> come back to the earth plane right away,
> and now he gets to finish the job with a brand new body.
>
Are you kidding me?? That it is OK to die of cancer when on the cusp 
of enlightenment? Finish the job, for God's sake, and begin enjoying 
life as a realized being NOW. Do the job in front of you.

And the doctor's explanation above is absurd. Cancer is the body 
attacking itself, not losing identification with its individual 
components. Enlightenment is about seeing others as more like 
ourselves. It is a unifying process, not an alienating one. Less 
identification on the way to enlightenment has to do with 
attachment, not attacking and alienating. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Sidhis practice

[jim_flanegin]

--- In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> For me the Sidhis are now known to be part of my DNA. I have seen 
them
> there vibrating. I also know my DNA to be the DNA of all creation. I
> can no longer do them or find them as they are now me, who I am. As
> are all of the mantras/advanced techniques.  My meditation consists 
of
> sitting in silence savoring the vibratory quality of my DNA. Tom
>
Nice description of integration Tom! Thanks for the sign post.

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Sidhis practice

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shukra69" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> I was wondering if someone might mention this. I have seen it many,
> many times. With eyes open everything can dissolve into a grey 
field.
> Also happened notably when I was invited to a Shiva temple on
> Shivaratri -when I was pouring milk onto the murthi. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > One reason I ask is because the question below 
> > > relates to another question about the connection 
> > > between pure consciousness and the relative world. 
> > > The MMY line is that creation arises out of 
> > > consciousness. I was wondering what sorts 
> > > of experiences people are having that validate 
> > > that hypothesis. 
> > > 
> > This was an experience I had at the local TM center in 1992-ish 
in 
> > Maryland. After doing 20 minutes of TM, I opened my eyes and saw 
> > several items in the room, including the TM teacher, as 
vibrating 
> > bundles of grey shiny metallic atoms forming the shape of those 
> > objects. As my consciousness continued to ripen into my senses 
> > turned fully outwards, a covering of texture and color sprang 
out of 
> > my eyes and rendered everything as we conventionally see them. 
I've 
> > mentioned this before, though it seems to fit well Maharishi's 
line 
> > that creation arises out of consciousness.
> >
>
It was not that everything dissolved into a grey field- rather that  
the objects in front of me had the same conventional shapes they 
always do, only instead of the hair, the skin, the wooden tabletop 
having color and texture appropriate to what they typically have, 
they appeared to be made up of tightly clustered, vibrating, shiny 
dark grey atoms or BBs.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest from Sam Harris, 2-8-07

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't think this is what Sam is challenging.  He is one of 
the 
> > few
> > > skeptics who validates transcendent experiences.  The 
experience is
> > > real, and he has had them too.  What he is challenging is what 
> > people
> > > conclude after the experience involving what the 
> > experience "means". 
> > > Experiencing the feeling of being one with the universe 
doesn't 
> > give
> > > anyone the epistemological authority to claim that they "know" 
that
> > > Jesus died for their sins, or that the Vedic recitations 
contain 
> > the
> > > blueprint of creation.  He is advocating that we start our 
inquiry
> > > into the study of human consciousness with humility rather 
then as 
> > a
> > > "knower of complete knowledge."  That we know the differences 
> > between
> > > what we "know" and what we have decided to believe from stuff 
we 
> > have
> > > heard or read, or even imposed onto our abstract experiences 
as 
> > their
> > > meaning. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" 

> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "coshlnx"  
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://www.tinyurl.com/38mf3l
> > > > >
> > > > ++ It is not logical to say something is not so just because 
you 
> > have
> > > > not expierienced it.  N.
> > > >
> > >
> > Direct perception and innocence are the keys here. Not 
intepretation 
> > or conclusion or imposition. Just as images of the universe from 
the 
> > Hubble space telescope are the result of innocence and direct 
> > perception, so is it possible to have such descriptions of our 
inner 
> > universe. And just as the Hubble had to be launched into space 
in 
> > order to produce its images free from the distortions of earth's 
> > atmosphere, so must we travel deeply into inner space to have 
direct 
> > and profound experiences, beyond a sense of silence, or a moment 
of 
> > peace, to the direct and unvarnished universe within, as vast 
and 
> > infinite as anything seen through Hubble.
> >
> 
> Of course, those beutiful images are enhanced and manipulatedin 
many ways before we 
> ever see them. Everything I have heard and read says the raw 
images are very boring 
> unless you're an astronomer.
>
Ha-Ha- Yes, just as the inner experiences can be boring unless 
you're a meditator...

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Sidhis practice

[tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis]

For me the Sidhis are now known to be part of my DNA. I have seen them
there vibrating. I also know my DNA to be the DNA of all creation. I
can no longer do them or find them as they are now me, who I am. As
are all of the mantras/advanced techniques.  My meditation consists of
sitting in silence savoring the vibratory quality of my DNA. Tom 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest from Sam Harris, 2-8-07

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I think it would be hard for anyone to know what Sam has 
experienced
> through his meditation practice.  It might be more than a sense of
> silence or a moment of peace.  Perhaps, like me, he has had
> experiences like the kind of detail you are describing and decided 
not
> to attach the same meaning to it that you have.  The strength of 
our
> experiences and our beliefs are not an indication of their 
accuracy. 
> No matter how compelling.
> 
> On the other hand, if you do have specific knowledge about the
> structure of the constellations that could be verified with the
> knowledge gathered from the Hubble telescope, that would be great. 
> That is a testable claim about reality outside ourselves. Once we 
make
> claims about how the world actually is outside our own inner
> experiences, we are bound by the detailed rules that have guided
> mankind out of the dark ages of knowledge.  We owe it to the
> experience to allow it to benefit from all that mankind has learned
> about how to be confident in our knowledge.  Some humans have been
> wrong about things that they felt absolutely certain about.  I 
sure have.
> 
> Of course everyone is certainly free to attach any meaning to their
> inner experiences that they choose.  Sam's only point is that some
> people have gone deep within and their God tells them that the
> absolutely right and correct thing to do is to strap on some bombs 
and
> go to a  crowded place to blow themselves up.  And they are 
absolutely
> certain that they are they are doing what is right.  Absolutely 
certain.
> 
I agree with you 100%. I have long had an adage that I have lived by 
with regard to my inner experiences, that they are true until they 
are not. Period. There is no hanging my hat on them or building 
further constructs from them. They just are what they are, until 
further knowledge proves them otherwise. Of course this is a slower 
process with the suicide bomber since they must wait for another 
cycle of life to judge whether or not what they did was the word of 
God.

What this entire question does is reaffirm the reality that we as 
humans will believe what we want and do what we want until 
circumstances make it impossible to continue doing so. There is no 
amount of logic that can convince us to do otherwise. Each of us is 
on our own soul journey to learn our own specific lessons, and 
whether we choose to discern the truth of the moment by logical 
inference or by direct experience or brainwashing, that is the truth 
we must honor until our reality changes for us, and we then believe 
something else.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest from Sam Harris, 2-8-07

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
wrote:
> >
> > Direct perception and innocence are the keys here. Not 
> > intepretation or conclusion or imposition. Just as 
> > images of the universe from the Hubble space telescope 
> > are the result of innocence and direct perception, so 
> > is it possible to have such descriptions of our inner 
> > universe. And just as the Hubble had to be launched 
> > into space in order to produce its images free from the 
> > distortions of earth's atmosphere, so must we travel 
> > deeply into inner space to have direct and profound 
> > experiences, beyond a sense of silence, or a moment of 
> > peace, to the direct and unvarnished universe within, 
> > as vast and infinite as anything seen through Hubble.
> 
> Your choice of metaphor is interesting, Jim. 
> Do you remember the *history* of the Hubble
> telescope. It was delivered into orbit with
> astigmatism, its main mirror suffering from 
> spherical aberration such that its perceptions
> of the universe were useless. It took a service
> mission to correct the problem so that the photos
> it took had anything whatsoever to do with reality.
> 
> You speak of "traveling into inner space" to have
> "unvarnished" experiences, free of "intepretation 
> or conclusion or imposition." Do you feel that your
> experiences are of this variety?
> 
> To come back to a simple point, the importance of
> which you still have not gotten, when you declared
> that Buddha believed that "God is love," was that
> an "unvarnished" experience, free of "intepretation 
> or conclusion or imposition," or could it possibly
> be a limited self imposing its belief in God upon 
> someone whose whole philosophy of life was founded
> upon not acknowledging the *existence* of such a God?
> 
> I'm suggesting that your mirror is as abnormal as
> any other, and that its reflections of the universe
> are as distorted as anyone else's. Can you accept
> that, in...dare I use the term...humility, or do you
> hold that your perceptions reflect some kind of 
> "truth?" Just curious...
>
I remember the repair of the Hubble telescope. In the response I 
gave I was not speaking solely about my inner experience, though my 
opinion on the subject is influenced by my experience.

Why do you insist I respond to your query about Buddha or that I 
admit that my perceptions are flawed, as a sign to you that I am 
humble? If you see me living in a fool's paradise, then think about 
why you think that, rather than insisting I conform to your vision 
of the world. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest from Sam Harris, 2-8-07

[tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis]

curtis writes snipped:
At first I thought I just disagreed with you
about what we can be confident about in our knowledge from subjective
experience, but then I felt like you were making a different
distinction concerning how we form our own beliefs.  It is quite a
vigerous dance with a lots of stomped toes!

Tom T
As Byron Katies asks, How do I know any of this is true?

[FairfieldLife] Age of Aquarius?

[george_deforest]

from the 1969 rock opera "Hair" by Galt McDermott
Lyrics for: Aquarius/Let the Sunshine In (recorded by 5th Dimension)

"When the moon is in the seventh house,
And Jupiter aligns with Mars ...
Then peace will guide the planets,
And love will steer the stars.

Chorus: "This is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius,
Age of Aquarius. Aquarius, Aquarius!

"Harmony and understanding,
Sympathy and trust abounding.
No more falsehoods or derisions,
Golden living dreams of vision.
Mystic crystal revelation ...
And the mind's true liberation:
Aquarius, Aquarius!

"Let the sun shine.
Let the sun shine in,
Oh sun, shine in!"

>

it so happens, in the Jyotish zodiac (not Western),
the Sun is moving into Aquarius  ~this evening~ (2/12/07),
[Sun = our sense of truthful identity and purpose]

And in addition, we have Jupiter in Scorpio, a Mars-ruled sign;
and Mars in Sagittarius, a Jupiter-ruled sign: this is 
referred to as a Mutual Exchange of planetary energies.

according to my friend, San Francisco jyotishi Sam Geppi:
Jupiter = our philosophies, guiding principles and social duties,
Mars = our courage and vital strength

thus, the current Mars/Jupiter exchange is quite favorable: it
"unites our courageous and powerful actions with a 
worthy, uplifting goal." = a very good time for aggressive
spiritual practises, like Invincible America!

>>>  

it does not surprise me that the song lyrics from Hair
seem quite accurate (according to the above jyotish insights).

i happen to be from Staten Island, and so does Galt McDermot.

Not that anything too great comes from Staten Island,
(other than the worlds largest garbage dump, lol)
but it so happens i knew his son Vincent McDermot, because 
we both went to the same TM Center!

pretty cosmic, huh? its all connected ... aham brahmasmi!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist

[mainstream20016]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Bill Crist died today from brain cancer. He was on Purusha for decades.

Bill had neuroplasty (brain surgery) about a year ago, an attempt to remove the 
cancer.
He probably was one of the first members of Purusha.  Earlier, he was a very 
high-level MIU 
administrator, rather quiet and focused, yet very sharp when called upon by 
Bevan or Lennie
in public to give practical suggestions to respond to issues of concern brought 
to the 
attention of the leadership of MIU.
He was recently a regular visitor to the Annapurna Dining Hall.  I got to know 
him there. His 
personnae had mellowed considerably since his MIU Administrator days.  He 
seemed to be 
enjoying everyone around him.   I hope he died in peace.  Thanks, Rick,  for 
sharing  the 
news of his passing.   

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Crist

[Vaj]

On Feb 12, 2007, at 11:26 AM, george_deforest wrote:


Rick Archer wrote:
Bill Crist died today from brain cancer.
He was on Purusha for decades.


shukra69 wrote:
Dr Robert Svoboda has commented that there is an increased danger
of cancer of those close to Enlightenment because
as the individual identifies less tightly with his own ahamkar
the individual cells of his body can have an less close
indentification with each other.


this is not a bad thing, imo...

a soul real close to enlightenment will probably
come back to the earth plane right away,
and now he gets to finish the job with a brand new body.


But of course this depends on many many factors, one of which is if  
he had acquired the skills to navigate between life times or if he  
had the propensity for another type of incarnation (other than  
human). There's been a lively discussion offlist on the topic of  
kundalini disorders, blockages, imbalanced awakenings, the TM sidhi  
practices, etc. and just what this means for this life, enlightenment  
and dying/rebirth. It's not always a good picture. Given what I'd  
seen of purusha back in the late 80's, these were not healthy or  
spiritually vital looking guys, so I do have to wonder what their  
incarnational prospects are.