[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to vote -- Who's a bigger liar and fuckhead? John or Edg?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Judy, > > I don't think my record here would support anyone thinking that > I have tossed my hat into the "Barry camp." In fact, he's called > me on my shit more than anyone here, but he's always done it with > a tender touch if you ask me. I try to be respectful of his "odd > stuff," cuz GAWD I've got odd stuff too. > > You, Judy, I've tried as hard as possible not to besmirch, cuz, > I sure don't want any of the hot lead you throw at Barry. > > Why are you coming out so strongly when I am testifying, not to > an opinion, but to an actual memory of mine? > > And why are you not commenting on John's name calling? It's just the teacher protecting the student. :-) Seriously, Edg. John's just acting the way he was *taught* to act over on AMT by Swami J. He actually started out thinking as little of J and her tendency to call people liars as if she had a Hotline To Truth and could *tell* when they were lying, just by the way they dotted their i's as anyone else. But John doesn't have much of a spine, so soon he switched camps and was right there beside Swami J as she cut her swath through untruth everywhere, always ready to say in a mighty, booming, voice: "Yeah, that's right, Judy." or "Yeah that sure is a phony all right." or "Yeah, what she said. Can I have my cookie now?" Don't blame John. As you'll figure out, he's not real bright, and tends (like his mentor) to post things that *other* people wrote to make you think he's smart enough to have read them. :-) And he mainly does what he's told by his betters. Like Charlie and Swami J. He lives in Brazil, last I heard. I doubt your lawyers can find him there, and an ex- postman's salary isn't really gonna make it worth your while.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth?
Ha!...almost gotcha. Can't trick Jim. When Jim travels to Vegas, nobody says "Hey - there's that easy mark". In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "matrixmonitor" > wrote: > > > > --This should be obvious, Jim - we're the good guys, they're the bad > > guys! > This is all satire, right?:-) >
[FairfieldLife] Radiation breeding: better living through nuked mutants
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "matrixmonitor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --This should be obvious, Jim - we're the good guys, they're the bad > guys! This is all satire, right?:-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF restaurant threatens lawsuit over blog entry
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Alex Stanley > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 6:56 PM > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF restaurant threatens lawsuit over blog entry > > > > However, now that the owners are attempting to suppress > free speech, I will now boycott all their restaurants (no big loss for > them, considering I rarely eat in town.) > * > The father owns Gupta's Indian restaurant. > > *** I think this is a heavily culture-influenced thing. Gupta introduced himself to me one day while I was eating at his place (it's the one of the east side of the square), and he's a man who takes a great deal of pride in his food (justifiably, for his veggie restaurant, IMO), but, as an immigrant, doesn't understand the way things are done in this society. Actually, I'm a little surprised that a Hindu guy who runs a vegetarian restaurant would open up a dead cow and other corpse emporium like Vivo (ha!, he needs a Latin dictionary). Bob Brigante http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates2007.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth?
So much for a bunch of people who SHOULD understand the ROOT of a problem. We could have been way off on any dependence on foreign oil by now and be using renewable resources. Thus thumbing our noses at the oil fields in the Middle East. But no the big boys had to have it their way. BTW, Israel is quite capable of taking care of itself. Leave the US out of it. Don't quit your day job to go into foreign relations. coshlnx wrote: > ---Yea, but in regard to the Saudi oil, the riches go only to small > groups of related families while the rest of the people live in > poverty. Even worse, the Royal family is beholden to the Wahabai's > whom they payoff will millions of dollars not to cause trouble. The > Wahabis in turn send $$ all over the world to set up Fundamentalist > schools that are breeding grounds for terrorists. > Little if any of the Middle Eastern oil gets into the hands of > people who need it for their daily survival. Thus, they are misusing > the resources and others should have a chance to use it wisely. I > fully support a CIA takeover of the Middle Eastern oil resources and > well placed nukes for the Iranians. We need to take out their > nuclear facilities before they construct bombs to attack Israel. > Don't you agree? > > In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> That's exactly the attitude that will make America perish and >> > deservedly > >> so. Don't forget they're human beings too. >> >> hyperbolicgeometry wrote: >> >>> ---It's either "us" getting control of the oil or "them". Better >>> > us! >
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth?
--This should be obvious, Jim - we're the good guys, they're the bad guys! - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "coshlnx" wrote: > > > > I fully support a CIA takeover of the Middle Eastern oil resources > and well placed nukes for the Iranians. We need to take out their > > nuclear facilities before they construct bombs to attack Israel. > > Don't you agree? > > Just from a perspective of the US starting wars, the Spanish- American > War (boiler explosion of The Maine battleship used as justification), > Vietnam (faked Gulf of Tonkin incident), invasion of Grenada (trumped > up Cuban threat), Gulf War I (encouraged Saddam to attack Kuwait, then > attacked him), and Gulf War II (fabricated WMD threat, before claiming > war "for democracy"), why is it unreasonable for another country to > then conclude that *we* should be nuked, or at least justifiably > bombed? When are pre-emptive strikes the "right" thing to do?:-) >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "coshlnx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I fully support a CIA takeover of the Middle Eastern oil resources and well placed nukes for the Iranians. We need to take out their > nuclear facilities before they construct bombs to attack Israel. > Don't you agree? Just from a perspective of the US starting wars, the Spanish-American War (boiler explosion of The Maine battleship used as justification), Vietnam (faked Gulf of Tonkin incident), invasion of Grenada (trumped up Cuban threat), Gulf War I (encouraged Saddam to attack Kuwait, then attacked him), and Gulf War II (fabricated WMD threat, before claiming war "for democracy"), why is it unreasonable for another country to then conclude that *we* should be nuked, or at least justifiably bombed? When are pre-emptive strikes the "right" thing to do?:-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth?
---Yea, but in regard to the Saudi oil, the riches go only to small groups of related families while the rest of the people live in poverty. Even worse, the Royal family is beholden to the Wahabai's whom they payoff will millions of dollars not to cause trouble. The Wahabis in turn send $$ all over the world to set up Fundamentalist schools that are breeding grounds for terrorists. Little if any of the Middle Eastern oil gets into the hands of people who need it for their daily survival. Thus, they are misusing the resources and others should have a chance to use it wisely. I fully support a CIA takeover of the Middle Eastern oil resources and well placed nukes for the Iranians. We need to take out their nuclear facilities before they construct bombs to attack Israel. Don't you agree? In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That's exactly the attitude that will make America perish and deservedly > so. Don't forget they're human beings too. > > hyperbolicgeometry wrote: > > ---It's either "us" getting control of the oil or "them". Better us! > > > > > > In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" > > wrote: > > > >> (snip) > >> > >>> Robert, we understand your point. But we cannot just criticize > >>> > > the > > > >>> system in this one particular country. IMHO, the attitude is > >>> pervasive throughout the world. Even here in the USA, one can > >>> > > find > > > >>> versions of this story. We are not allowed to marry four wives > >>> > > at a > > > >>> time, but we can get married to a person one at a time without > >>> > > any > > > >>> limit. > >>> > >>> > >> (snip) > >> Perhaps I'm just jealous, but I really don't care how many woman a > >> > > man > > > >> has sex with or vice-versa. This takes place all over the world, > >> > > not > > > >> just in Islamic countries; it is just not out in the open. > >> What I am upset about is, I talked to a guy, who used to be in the > >> military, but now works as a private contractor in UAE. > >> He says there is so much money there because of the oil reserves, > >> > > and > > > >> that everyone drives a Mercedes... > >> So, I guess what upsets me is the waste, and inequality in the way > >> things are on the earth right now. > >> We fight for oil in order to maintain our lifestyle, which includes > >> big houses we don't need, SUV's that we don't need, and so on. > >> It's just a big lie what we are fighting for. > >> We are fighting to control the oil, plain and simple. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF restaurant threatens lawsuit over blog entry
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Stanley Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 6:56 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF restaurant threatens lawsuit over blog entry However, now that the owners are attempting to suppress free speech, I will now boycott all their restaurants (no big loss for them, considering I rarely eat in town.) The father owns Gupta’s Indian restaurant. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/976 - Release Date: 8/27/2007 6:20 PM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth?
That's exactly the attitude that will make America perish and deservedly so. Don't forget they're human beings too. hyperbolicgeometry wrote: > ---It's either "us" getting control of the oil or "them". Better us! > > > In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> (snip) >> >>> Robert, we understand your point. But we cannot just criticize >>> > the > >>> system in this one particular country. IMHO, the attitude is >>> pervasive throughout the world. Even here in the USA, one can >>> > find > >>> versions of this story. We are not allowed to marry four wives >>> > at a > >>> time, but we can get married to a person one at a time without >>> > any > >>> limit. >>> >>> >> (snip) >> Perhaps I'm just jealous, but I really don't care how many woman a >> > man > >> has sex with or vice-versa. This takes place all over the world, >> > not > >> just in Islamic countries; it is just not out in the open. >> What I am upset about is, I talked to a guy, who used to be in the >> military, but now works as a private contractor in UAE. >> He says there is so much money there because of the oil reserves, >> > and > >> that everyone drives a Mercedes... >> So, I guess what upsets me is the waste, and inequality in the way >> things are on the earth right now. >> We fight for oil in order to maintain our lifestyle, which includes >> big houses we don't need, SUV's that we don't need, and so on. >> It's just a big lie what we are fighting for. >> We are fighting to control the oil, plain and simple. >> >> > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF restaurant threatens lawsuit over blog entry
The critical blog, with edits, and 39 comments: http://www.tiny.cc/BEiGK My two cents: A non-encumbered, simple opinion critical blog is non-actionable. However, as a means of potential mass communication, there is a responsibility of the blogger to act ethically. For instance, had the blogger sought compensation in some form for a potential positive blog about the restaurant, he would be liable for damages were he to write a negative blog had his offer of a positive blog been refused by the restaurant. What appears to be simple opinion could actually be a form of retaliation for refusal to cooperate with an attempt at extortion. -Mainstream --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > http://tinyurl.com/2e7h59 > > Owner of Fairfield's Vivo Restaurant Hires Attorney > > I have never gotten a thank you from anyone who owns a restaurant > which serves food I have celebrated. On the other hand, I did just get > a call from an attorney hired by the owner of Vivo, a restaurant that > served me four meals that I found not to my liking, and blogged about it. > > I never expect a thank you from positive reviews. The question is, > what do I expect from a negative review? Honestly, I never expected a > response from the owner of Vivo. And perhaps that is due to my > ignorance of living in a small town - I assume I am still living in a > larger urban environment where my blog, like most peoples online > presence, is lost in the chatter. There are over 50 million non > "A-list" blogs - what are the chances that any owner of a restaurant I > write about will read my comments on their food? Answer: the owner of > restaurant in a small town. > > If a newspaper says good things about a restaurant, the owners of that > restaurant will cut that article out and frame it in their entryway. > If a newspaper says bad things about a restaurant, I doubt the owners > hire an attorney. I have yet to see a restaurant display a positive > review from a blog, nor have I heard of a blog's negative food review > drawing the attention of an attorney (these are just my perceptions - > they could be completely inaccurate). I assume the reason for this is > because aside from some sort of A-list food critic blog, the attention > doesn't really mean much. It's just some blogger with an opinion - and > you know what they say about opinions . . . > > So back to Vivo. Last week the owner called me and asked if I would > take down the article. I said I would edit it. I've made a couple > edits in an attempt to make the review less harsh and I have asked > friends if the article is mean or defamatory. The response I've gotten > is that the article is about a bad food experience, and not an attack > on anyone or business. > > This morning I get a call from an attorney representing the owner of > Vivo. He told me that the article was malicious and requested that it > be taken down. I asked him what was malicious about it. He said the > tone was malicious. I said, send me an email or letter stating what > should be changed to make the article not malicious and I will make > those changes. He refused to do that or cooperate/work with me in any > way. His purpose in this matter is to get the article removed, and in > my perception, silence my opinion. I ended the call once it was clear > he was not going to work with me to edit the parts perceived as malicious. > > To be clear, when someone uses the word malicious, I take that to mean > "intent to cause harm to another". The article was not intended to > cause anyone harm. It's a food review - a bad food review. Nothing more. > > I've thought a lot about it lately. I mean, I don't want to cause > anyone distress - this is certainly not my intent. So why not remove > the article? Well, on one hand that would be so easy, but on the other > hand it feels like not being honest. My blog is an online diary plain > and simple. I write about what's on my mind when I have time. Do I > only write about the good stuff? What's my responsibility as a > blogger? What's my responsibility as a blogger in a small town? >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mother Teresa's "Dark Night"
---they could be extraterrestrial aliens, in which case they would be "hatchlings". In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "martyboi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I was walking down a street in SF once when I came upon a clutch > (gaggle, swarm, school?) of her sisters walking towards me. I heard > they were running an AIDS hospice in the neighborhood. It seemed to me > that they were doing a walking meditation as they appeared to have an > interior focus and were manipulating their Rosary beads as they walked. > > They had such a kind and careworn look, with bright little eyes that > shown out from wrinkled apple faces. One women in particular had a > "glow" that was particularly radiant. Our eyes met for a second, and I > saw infinity, love and abundant grace. > > I dunno about you, but I just want to hug those people! >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth?
---It's either "us" getting control of the oil or "them". Better us! In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > (snip) > > > > Robert, we understand your point. But we cannot just criticize the > > system in this one particular country. IMHO, the attitude is > > pervasive throughout the world. Even here in the USA, one can find > > versions of this story. We are not allowed to marry four wives at a > > time, but we can get married to a person one at a time without any > > limit. > > > (snip) > Perhaps I'm just jealous, but I really don't care how many woman a man > has sex with or vice-versa. This takes place all over the world, not > just in Islamic countries; it is just not out in the open. > What I am upset about is, I talked to a guy, who used to be in the > military, but now works as a private contractor in UAE. > He says there is so much money there because of the oil reserves, and > that everyone drives a Mercedes... > So, I guess what upsets me is the waste, and inequality in the way > things are on the earth right now. > We fight for oil in order to maintain our lifestyle, which includes > big houses we don't need, SUV's that we don't need, and so on. > It's just a big lie what we are fighting for. > We are fighting to control the oil, plain and simple. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth?
(snip) > > Robert, we understand your point. But we cannot just criticize the > system in this one particular country. IMHO, the attitude is > pervasive throughout the world. Even here in the USA, one can find > versions of this story. We are not allowed to marry four wives at a > time, but we can get married to a person one at a time without any > limit. > (snip) Perhaps I'm just jealous, but I really don't care how many woman a man has sex with or vice-versa. This takes place all over the world, not just in Islamic countries; it is just not out in the open. What I am upset about is, I talked to a guy, who used to be in the military, but now works as a private contractor in UAE. He says there is so much money there because of the oil reserves, and that everyone drives a Mercedes... So, I guess what upsets me is the waste, and inequality in the way things are on the earth right now. We fight for oil in order to maintain our lifestyle, which includes big houses we don't need, SUV's that we don't need, and so on. It's just a big lie what we are fighting for. We are fighting to control the oil, plain and simple.
[FairfieldLife] Nityananda
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF restaurant threatens lawsuit over blog entry
On Aug 27, 2007, at 6:55 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: It's not my blog; I just happened to stumble across it today. I think I may have been to Vivo once, but I don't remember for sure. If I did eat there, it certainly doesn't stand out in my mind as having been an outstanding meal. But, then, I'm very fond of my own cooking, and it takes a real gourmet restaurant to impress me. The owner is apparently one of the Guptas, they also own Gupta's Vegetarian, on the square. Never been to either one, but the other Gupta (I'm assuming it's his brother) was the one who, a few years ago, claimed my cat was scratching off the paint on his car. Is that even possible? Maybe if it was a leopard, but a 6 lb. house cat? Well, anyway, the police got involved in that one, and it was generally a not-very-pleasant experience. These guys apparently think everyone is out to get them. The same people took over Entree Cafe, and the food is nowhere near as good as it was with the previous owner. Frankly, I thought it was lousy with the previous owner as well. I've never been real impressed with anything there after GM up and went. I ate there a few weeks ago and had the organic mixed salad with a piece of chicken, and it was actually quite good. But, the time before that I had a piece of chicken with cooked veggies, and the chicken was dry and tasteless, and the veggies were overcooked and horribly seasoned. It was so shockingly bad that I swore I'd never eat there again; the only reason I went back there a few weeks ago is because that's where my friend wanted to eat. However, now that the owners are attempting to suppress free speech, I will now boycott all their restaurants (no big loss for them, considering I rarely eat in town.) Write a review on Yelp. Good luck to them suing that one. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Blue Pearl in the Guru Gita
>From my cc of the "Shree Guru Gita" - official booklet of SYDA giving the Skt chant of the Guru Gita as done in Muktananda's (and successor)'s Ashrams. English transliteration of verse 120: "Sri Parvati said: O great God [Shiva], what is pinda? What is known as pada? What are rupa and rupatita. O Shankara, explain this to me." Verse 121: "Shri Mahadeva said: Pinda is Kundalini Shakti. Hamsa (OSpontaneous repetiton of Hamsa) is pada. Know rupa to be the bindu (blue pearl) and rupatita is the pure One (beyond the three.) Verse 122: "Pinde mukta pade mukta rupe mukta varanane, Rupatite tu ye muktas te mukta natra samsayah." "Oh beautiful one, they are liberated in pinda (whose Kundalini is awake). They are liberted in pada (who hear sponeaneous repetitionof Hamsa). They are liberated in rupa (who have envisioned the blue pearl). But they are undoubtedly liberated who are liberated in rupatita (who experience the transcendental state beyond form).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda
I don't really tamper with the mind. That said, I am a mantra practitioner and have certain mantras which I am generally working on - trying to get over the hump with (quarter million or so). So I also do them mentally at work to reinforce the 'actual sadhana' sometimes with visualizations so yes I am bringing some Akanishta to where I am whether others can see it or not. I mean, all the devas and Buddhas are right there so connection is everything I think. Okay, less flakey, or more, depending. Yeah, I do look at each item, but I rarely judge it unless it is no good. If I cut 25 bell peppers they all look the same after, but when I was cutting them I looked at each one and summarily executed it probably prior to thought, but I am still with it. Tell you what I do do is utilize natural herbal suppliments :) which combined with my meditations seem to lengthen the moment at times into something truely wild. Thus, I am a form of Dionysis and I am also being as great of a host as I can be. The main point being that each food cooked should be as fresh as possible, in spite of natural despondance of lethargy due to age and stress. This has always been at the heart of the issue of drug use for me as I have always felt that I should bring as much awareness as possible even at the twelf or fourteenth hour, and thus there's not really much possibility of that naturally and so some mental silicone enhancements. I actually don't subscribe to the notion that there's anything at all other than awareness, or awarenesses, so it's a matter of choosing the awarenesses which you want to represent, and so I do. But it's probably pretty raucous by probably almost all of the world's standards, because it takes alot. "All That Jazz" is more like the chef's life than anything else. Oh Yeah, you know what's good is cukes, with apple slices, carrot slices, raisins, with sumac, tofurkey bacon and tofunnaise, s+p and of course some marshmallows. As I tell my friends, "Go light on the sumack." - Original Message - From: "Duveyoung" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 3:11 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda > Kirk, > > One thing I always wanted to ask you when I was a lurker and you were > a poster: > > Do you have a "moral" about putting "consciousness" into your cooking? > > I mood make that I do this when I am cutting my veggies "oh so > carefully." I think that each cut is, say, several > thoughts/attentionings on the food which then raises up the vibe of > the food. > > Who knows if this concept is oogabooga, eh? But I love the concept. > > This is why the Mona Lisa is the most famous painting in the world -- > cuz Da Vinci paid attention to it every day of his life with a single > stroke here and another there. > > I once painted a portrait of Maharishi that, honest now, I could > actually accurately determine how many brush strokes I'd put on the > canvas (big canvas,) and it was over 1,000,000 strokes. > > When I see those TV chefs slicing up food so quickly, I just gotta > wonder if they're putting nearly as much love into their food as I do > making a sandwich. > > Does ya or doesn't ya? > > And, what's the perfect spice to go with sliced cucumbers? I know so > many, but what's THE spice? > > Just wondering. Hope it isn't Dill! > > Edg > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Yes, thanks. Or if they were human they should have been. >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 2:48 PM >> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda >> >> >> > Kirk, I'm so glad you're back on FFL. Your posts >> > always liven things up! I don't have a clue what >> > you're talking about here, though. Do you mean that >> > Swami M. and MMY were starved of human contact or >> > something? >> > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF restaurant threatens lawsuit over blog entry
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Your responsiblity is up to you, but I'd say, make them take the blog > out of your cold dead hand. Fight them to the last dime you have. > > That is, if you are truly innocent and acting within your rights. > Consult a lawyer. > > If he says "go for it," then I'd say, first thing to do is write up > the process so far and post that on you blog too! It's not my blog; I just happened to stumble across it today. I think I may have been to Vivo once, but I don't remember for sure. If I did eat there, it certainly doesn't stand out in my mind as having been an outstanding meal. But, then, I'm very fond of my own cooking, and it takes a real gourmet restaurant to impress me. The same people took over Entree Cafe, and the food is nowhere near as good as it was with the previous owner. I ate there a few weeks ago and had the organic mixed salad with a piece of chicken, and it was actually quite good. But, the time before that I had a piece of chicken with cooked veggies, and the chicken was dry and tasteless, and the veggies were overcooked and horribly seasoned. It was so shockingly bad that I swore I'd never eat there again; the only reason I went back there a few weeks ago is because that's where my friend wanted to eat. However, now that the owners are attempting to suppress free speech, I will now boycott all their restaurants (no big loss for them, considering I rarely eat in town.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to vote -- Who's a bigger liar and fuckhead? John or Edg?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > Judy, > > > > I don't think my record here would support anyone thinking that I > have > > tossed my hat into the "Barry camp." In fact, he's called me on my > > shit more than anyone here, but he's always done it with a tender > > touch if you ask me. I try to be respectful of his "odd stuff," cuz > > GAWD I've got odd stuff too. > > There's "odd stuff" that deserves respect--or at > least tolerance--and "odd stuff" that deserves > scorn and condemnation, IMHO. > > > > Why are you coming out so strongly when I am testifying, not to an > > opinion, but to an actual memory of mine? > > > > And why are you not commenting on John's name calling? > > I was responding to *your post*, Edg. You asked > questions, I gave you my answers. You don't like > them. Tough. Don't ask if you don't want to know > what people think. > > > If you respect John, then why are you supporting that kind of > > activity, I'd be the first to try to let someone I respected know > > how they're coming off and how at risk their reputation is. > > For all I know, John is right, and your reputation > is the one at risk. As I said, I'd take his word > over yours with regard to something about which I > had no information. > > Fortunately, in this case I don't have to take a > stand either way regarding what Charlie did or > did not say (and if you imagined I did, read what > I wrote again). > > Didn't I > > actually pad my response with noting John's good qualities? Why > > such a forthright dumping of me when so clearly I was trying to > > give John a face saving "out?" Seems I've been rubbing you wrongly > > for some time now, and only now does the boil pop. > > You asked. > > My guess, BTW, is that John would have taken your > "out" if you weren't being such an ass about suing > him. > > > And after I laid into Nab, you chided me on the lowness of my > > response, (and thanks for that, and yet, may I say, it was one of > > my finer put downs?) and I saw that as a correct admonishment of > > me, yet a "fuckhead" from John is not equally consider to be low > > by you? And you too now use the word with what I would call a > > very energetic power behind the use -- WTF? > > I'll type this very slowly: I WAS RESPONDING TO > YOUR POST. > > > > Judy, this is an actual situation where a lawsuit could be started, > > Uh, I doubt that very seriously. If your lawyer > takes it on, he's a fool. If Edg pursues it it'll show what a complete crackpot he is. I'd suspect that almost any judge would laugh him out of a courtroom or roll his eyes in disgust at such stupidity. His lawyer might be unethical enough take the case though, just to make money ...from Edg. > > > > Someone has to stand up to trolls. Rick isn't doing it. Me, > > I'm just pissy enough. Yep. > > John's not a troll, but there are lots of ways > to stand up to posters who say things you don't > like that don't involve threatening lawsuits. > > BTW, read this part of my post again: > > > > You're a bigger fuckhead by far (if at least partly > > > because you're into sticking your neck out and calling > > > attention to yourself). > > That was actually intended as sort of a backhanded > compliment. I thought you'd catch it, but you didn't. > (What's on the end of your neck?) > > Few of us could withstand the kind of scrutiny you > invite without coming off as a fuckhead. Most of us > don't have the guts to invite it. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF restaurant threatens lawsuit over blog entry
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > http://tinyurl.com/2e7h59 > > Owner of Fairfield's Vivo Restaurant Hires Attorney > *** South facing entrance to building, bad vastu, bad karma. Former tenant was Regina's restaurant, which had a large probably-insider-abetted safe burglary which probably helped to lead to their demise. http://www.vivofairfield.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF restaurant threatens lawsuit over blog entry
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > http://tinyurl.com/2e7h59 > > Owner of Fairfield's Vivo Restaurant Hires Attorney > I've thought a lot about it lately. I mean, I don't want to cause > anyone distress - this is certainly not my intent. So why not remove > the article? Well, on one hand that would be so easy, but on the other > hand it feels like not being honest. My blog is an online diary plain > and simple. I write about what's on my mind when I have time. Do I > only write about the good stuff? What's my responsibility as a > blogger? What's my responsibility as a blogger in a small town? If it were me, I think I'd invite the restaurant owner to write a response to my critique, to be posted on the blog. If the invitation itself didn't actually disarm him, and he refused, his refusal would probably seriously weaken whatever case he had for a lawsuit (which I suspect is really weak anyway). Seems to me a blogger in a small town, if they are widely read in that town, have more of a responsibility (not legal but ethical) for their critiques than a blogger in a big city because they're more influential locally. Presumably they want local businesses to succeed unless they're really hopeless, and the businesses that are the target of a critique, assuming it's not a vicious slam but a thoughtful analysis, should be appreciative, because it gives them a basis for improvement.
[FairfieldLife] An evening with Steve Forbert
Hadn't seen the great American singer-songwriter since back in 1979. When I found out tickets were available for a local concert, the previous of which we'd missed from being sold out. I jumped at the chance. A 4-day free folk festival was playing nearby till late that evening, so I guess I shouldn't have been surprised when the curtain came up with a young Massachusetts songtress-writer opening, with only an audience of mere 150-200 or so. The theatre looked barely occupied. But what a show we got! If you get to see this guy acoustic solo, don't miss this tour--this guy is just pure musical talent. Like a number of current greats--Richard Thompson, Dave Alvin, and numerous other grossly under-appreciated singer-songwriters, this guy just exudes uniqueness and creativity. Besides his great songwriting ability, he has an incredible integrity, stage presence and delivery. As he came out on stage, he did seem somewhat miffed at the low turnout (as he was previously a sell-out Downeast on more than one occaision). "So there was a folk festival nearby?" (the audience indicated "yes"). He smiled and called up the promoter. He says to him, 'I want the house lights kept up'. And unlike many the big gig, he shared, 'when I get the chance I want to really connect and talk, I like the house lights up--and in a packed gig, I never get to do that, all you get is this wall of blackness'. And we got a show to remember. He even pulled out some of the lesser known classics of fellow Meridian Mississippi native Jimmie Rodgers, the "father" of country music aka "the singing brakeman" and blew us away with an acoustic version of The Beatle's "Honey Pie". But it's his own songs that really just get me. If you're not familiar with this American gem, check out his collaboration with midwestern alt-folk-rock stars Wilco on Rocking Horse Head. Not to be missed. Here's a video (Quicktime required) I've been sharing with friends. It captures so well that angst of when it's time to move on to another town or another place, but also Forbert's own breaking with his record company back after his top ten hit, and his refusal to multitrack an album. He claims he just can't do it. He only records live now. http://home.earthlink.net/~vajranatha/forbert/%22Streets_of_This_Town% 22.html . . . Call fax or email soon. :-) -V.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to vote -- Who's a bigger liar and fuckhead? John or Edg?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Anyone here want to give me John Manning's street address? > > Anyone? I'll keep you as my source a secret as far as I legally can, > and pledge not to reveal it here. > > Probably, I could google it and find it, but maybe one of you knows > the most recent address. > > Edg Here's a hint: the headers of his posts to FFL indicate that John is using a Brazilian ISP.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to vote -- Who's a bigger liar and fuckhead? John or Edg?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Judy, > > I don't think my record here would support anyone thinking that I have > tossed my hat into the "Barry camp." In fact, he's called me on my > shit more than anyone here, but he's always done it with a tender > touch if you ask me. I try to be respectful of his "odd stuff," cuz > GAWD I've got odd stuff too. There's "odd stuff" that deserves respect--or at least tolerance--and "odd stuff" that deserves scorn and condemnation, IMHO. > Why are you coming out so strongly when I am testifying, not to an > opinion, but to an actual memory of mine? > > And why are you not commenting on John's name calling? I was responding to *your post*, Edg. You asked questions, I gave you my answers. You don't like them. Tough. Don't ask if you don't want to know what people think. > If you respect John, then why are you supporting that kind of > activity, I'd be the first to try to let someone I respected know > how they're coming off and how at risk their reputation is. For all I know, John is right, and your reputation is the one at risk. As I said, I'd take his word over yours with regard to something about which I had no information. Fortunately, in this case I don't have to take a stand either way regarding what Charlie did or did not say (and if you imagined I did, read what I wrote again). Didn't I > actually pad my response with noting John's good qualities? Why > such a forthright dumping of me when so clearly I was trying to > give John a face saving "out?" Seems I've been rubbing you wrongly > for some time now, and only now does the boil pop. You asked. My guess, BTW, is that John would have taken your "out" if you weren't being such an ass about suing him. > And after I laid into Nab, you chided me on the lowness of my > response, (and thanks for that, and yet, may I say, it was one of > my finer put downs?) and I saw that as a correct admonishment of > me, yet a "fuckhead" from John is not equally consider to be low > by you? And you too now use the word with what I would call a > very energetic power behind the use -- WTF? I'll type this very slowly: I WAS RESPONDING TO YOUR POST. > Judy, this is an actual situation where a lawsuit could be started, Uh, I doubt that very seriously. If your lawyer takes it on, he's a fool. > Someone has to stand up to trolls. Rick isn't doing it. Me, > I'm just pissy enough. Yep. John's not a troll, but there are lots of ways to stand up to posters who say things you don't like that don't involve threatening lawsuits. BTW, read this part of my post again: > > You're a bigger fuckhead by far (if at least partly > > because you're into sticking your neck out and calling > > attention to yourself). That was actually intended as sort of a backhanded compliment. I thought you'd catch it, but you didn't. (What's on the end of your neck?) Few of us could withstand the kind of scrutiny you invite without coming off as a fuckhead. Most of us don't have the guts to invite it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to vote -- Who's a bigger liar and fuckhead? John or Edg?
Well, to state the obvious, John never hearing Charlie talk about Jesus in a spaceship does not constitute evidence that Charlie never talked about Jesus in a spaceship. The Charlieism that always stands out in my mind is his "light in the loafers" comment that always accompanied his explanation of homosexuality. Someone should have taken him to a gay leather bar and introduced him to some leather-clad muscle bears. Charlie was a nelly little queen compared to some gay men.
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF restaurant threatens lawsuit over blog entry
Your responsiblity is up to you, but I'd say, make them take the blog out of your cold dead hand. Fight them to the last dime you have. That is, if you are truly innocent and acting within your rights. Consult a lawyer. If he says "go for it," then I'd say, first thing to do is write up the process so far and post that on you blog too! Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > http://tinyurl.com/2e7h59 > > Owner of Fairfield's Vivo Restaurant Hires Attorney > > I have never gotten a thank you from anyone who owns a restaurant > which serves food I have celebrated. On the other hand, I did just get > a call from an attorney hired by the owner of Vivo, a restaurant that > served me four meals that I found not to my liking, and blogged about it. > > I never expect a thank you from positive reviews. The question is, > what do I expect from a negative review? Honestly, I never expected a > response from the owner of Vivo. And perhaps that is due to my > ignorance of living in a small town - I assume I am still living in a > larger urban environment where my blog, like most peoples online > presence, is lost in the chatter. There are over 50 million non > "A-list" blogs - what are the chances that any owner of a restaurant I > write about will read my comments on their food? Answer: the owner of > restaurant in a small town. > > If a newspaper says good things about a restaurant, the owners of that > restaurant will cut that article out and frame it in their entryway. > If a newspaper says bad things about a restaurant, I doubt the owners > hire an attorney. I have yet to see a restaurant display a positive > review from a blog, nor have I heard of a blog's negative food review > drawing the attention of an attorney (these are just my perceptions - > they could be completely inaccurate). I assume the reason for this is > because aside from some sort of A-list food critic blog, the attention > doesn't really mean much. It's just some blogger with an opinion - and > you know what they say about opinions . . . > > So back to Vivo. Last week the owner called me and asked if I would > take down the article. I said I would edit it. I've made a couple > edits in an attempt to make the review less harsh and I have asked > friends if the article is mean or defamatory. The response I've gotten > is that the article is about a bad food experience, and not an attack > on anyone or business. > > This morning I get a call from an attorney representing the owner of > Vivo. He told me that the article was malicious and requested that it > be taken down. I asked him what was malicious about it. He said the > tone was malicious. I said, send me an email or letter stating what > should be changed to make the article not malicious and I will make > those changes. He refused to do that or cooperate/work with me in any > way. His purpose in this matter is to get the article removed, and in > my perception, silence my opinion. I ended the call once it was clear > he was not going to work with me to edit the parts perceived as malicious. > > To be clear, when someone uses the word malicious, I take that to mean > "intent to cause harm to another". The article was not intended to > cause anyone harm. It's a food review - a bad food review. Nothing more. > > I've thought a lot about it lately. I mean, I don't want to cause > anyone distress - this is certainly not my intent. So why not remove > the article? Well, on one hand that would be so easy, but on the other > hand it feels like not being honest. My blog is an online diary plain > and simple. I write about what's on my mind when I have time. Do I > only write about the good stuff? What's my responsibility as a > blogger? What's my responsibility as a blogger in a small town? >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to vote -- Who's a bigger liar and fuckhead? John or Edg?
Judy, I don't think my record here would support anyone thinking that I have tossed my hat into the "Barry camp." In fact, he's called me on my shit more than anyone here, but he's always done it with a tender touch if you ask me. I try to be respectful of his "odd stuff," cuz GAWD I've got odd stuff too. You, Judy, I've tried as hard as possible not to besmirch, cuz, I sure don't want any of the hot lead you throw at Barry. Why are you coming out so strongly when I am testifying, not to an opinion, but to an actual memory of mine? And why are you not commenting on John's name calling? If you respect John, then why are you supporting that kind of activity, I'd be the first to try to let someone I respected know how they're coming off and how at risk their reputation is. Didn't I actually pad my response with noting John's good qualities? Why such a forthright dumping of me when so clearly I was trying to give John a face saving "out?" Seems I've been rubbing you wrongly for some time now, and only now does the boil pop. And after I laid into Nab, you chided me on the lowness of my response, (and thanks for that, and yet, may I say, it was one of my finer put downs?) and I saw that as a correct admonishment of me, yet a "fuckhead" from John is not equally consider to be low by you? And you too now use the word with what I would call a very energetic power behind the use -- WTF? I did something so wrong that now you're fully loaded and coming out shooting? I'm trying to understand you. Honest to fucking hell! Judy, this is an actual situation where a lawsuit could be started, and you might find yourself spending a bit of dough just to answer the court documents served to get your explanation of your words here. Can you afford such a fight? I'm not saying you slandered me, cuz you were giving an opinion. John says plainly that I am a liar. Are you saying I'm a liar also? If so, give me your street address too! I don't care if I win. I just want to see the Judge's face when he has to process "John" and tries to see his side of the story -- after reading the posts of John with my yellow highlighting. That's the payoff for me -- seeing someone like John being honestly looked at by a Judge and knowing that everyone in the room agrees with the Judge. That's a very rare event in this world, and I've paid thousands upon thousands to get it. Stand back, Judy. I'm just that kind of guy who blows money like this. I paid my lawyer over six grand to watch me being deposed in my present lawsuit, and because we were so prepared, we both got to see the other side sweating profusely as point after point was lost by them, because we had our shit together and our facts were documented up the yinyang. They were made to be fools by their unpreparedness. Today, they'll trying to get a settlement negotiation underway. That's the kind of pleasure John is offering me now. Worth every dime to someone like me who's taken it up the ass way too many times. Someone has to stand up to trolls. Rick isn't doing it. Me, I'm just pissy enough. Yep. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > Gang, let's take a vote! Who's a bigger liar and fuckhead? John or > > Edg? > > You're a bigger fuckhead by far (if at least partly > because you're into sticking your neck out and calling > attention to yourself). > > You get big fuckhead points from me--hypocrite > variety--because of your ongoing mutual ass- > kissing relationship with Barry, who's by far > the biggest fuckhead *and* liar on this forum. > > You also get hypocrite points for reacting to > John as you have after you laid into Nablus in > a significantly more vicious fashion than John > has gone after you. > > I've never known John to lie. > > I haven't seen any lies from you, but I haven't > "known" you for anywhere near as long. If I were > forced to choose between your word and John's on > something I didn't know anything about, I'd take > John's. > > I await the decision of the group. Right now, I'd say John'll > > get four votes automatically, but after that, he might be in for an > > onslaught of naysayers. I'm thinking I'm going to win, cuz I haven't > > been here long enough to stomp on many toes -- hee hee, but John, it > > seems you are a well known by many here -- are you on the thin ice I > > think you are? > > To my knowledge, there are three people here who > are familiar with John--Alex, Barry, and myself. > I don't think anyone else knows him any better than > you do; you both arrived, I believe, around the same > time. > > I don't know how Alex feels about John. Barry hates > him because John sees right through Barry's phony > act, as many others did on alt.m.t. > > I consider myself fortunate to have John as a friend. > It's a relationship that was forged in a great deal > of Sturm und Drang and is all the
[FairfieldLife] Re: My favorite Charlie Lutes story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mainstream20016" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In FFL #145532 Re: Jerry Jarvis's disassociation from TM org- anything to do with Sidhis ? > Mainstream20016" wrote: > Wasn't Charlie a big front-man for 'fly like Superman' ?... > > do.rflex wrote: > No. Charlie told me that he told Maharishi he thought it was nonsense and a mistake. > > Mainstream writes: > Yet, I attended a 1982 or '83 Iowa City Charlie Lutes' lecture, at which Charlie boasted that > MMY gave Charlie the title "The First World Governor of the Age of Enlightenment", > presumably because Charlie was the earliest adopter of the TM Sidhi program. According to what I heard from an insider, MMY wouldn't give Charlie the TM-Sidhis--he told him he'd gotten them in a previous life. If this is true, maybe MMY gave Charlie the title as a sort of consolation prize?
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hey Alex, no need for all these thousand names if one has Lalita. To the best of my knowledge, I don't have Lalita, so the need for the thousand names remains. (Actually, I claim no need for any of those recordings. They came my way, and I'm just passing them on.) > - Original Message - > From: "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:59 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios > > > > Ok, I've downloaded all the CL audio files and uploaded them to my > > webserver. > > > > http://alex.natel.net/ffl/audio/ > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: My favorite Charlie Lutes story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is when I got stuck being "door guy" at Maharishi's > door the night before the second Merv taping. Charlie > arrived, I went inside and told one of the guys inside > that he was there, watched him walk up to Maharishi > and tell him that Charlie was there, and then come > back to me and say, "Maharishi said to have him wait." > > Charlie waited, fuming. He stood there for a while, > among all the dozen or so other people waiting outside > the door, and then he started to pace. Finally, after > about half an hour, he announced in a large voice, > "It's been over an hour! I wouldn't wait an hour to > see Jesus Christ. I'm leaving." And he did. > > *That* is Charlie Lutes. > > He wanted what he had at the very beginning of the > TM movement, to be "special." He was kept out of the > room because some important network people were in > there and Maharishi was afraid he'd embarrass him. > > And, rather than wait outside with all the other > peons, Charlie stalked off in a snit, and then made > up a grand paranoid tale about "Jerry's minions" > keeping him out of the room. > > *Maharishi* kept him out of the room, and kept him > waiting in the hallway with all the other peons. > > And Charlie was too "special" to wait with all the > others. Half an hour among the Great Unwashed was > as far as his "devotion" went. > > Yeah, Charlie was "special" all right. In the same > place that *his* minions were -- and seemingly are > still -- "special." In their minds. > In FFL #145532 Re: Jerry Jarvis's disassociation from TM org- anything to do with Sidhis ? Mainstream20016" wrote: Wasn't Charlie a big front-man for 'fly like Superman' ?... do.rflex wrote: No. Charlie told me that he told Maharishi he thought it was nonsense and a mistake. Mainstream writes: Yet, I attended a 1982 or '83 Iowa City Charlie Lutes' lecture, at which Charlie boasted that MMY gave Charlie the title "The First World Governor of the Age of Enlightenment", presumably because Charlie was the earliest adopter of the TM Sidhi program. Perhaps Charlie did tell Maharishi the Sidhi program was a mistake, but probably not on the same day MMY showered Charlie with that title.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to vote -- Who's a bigger liar and fuckhead? John or Edg?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Anyone here want to give me John Manning's street address? > > Anyone? I'll keep you as my source a secret as far as I legally can, > and pledge not to reveal it here. > > Probably, I could google it and find it, but maybe one of you knows > the most recent address. > > Edg LOL! Good luck, you impotent low-life lying clown.
[FairfieldLife] FF restaurant threatens lawsuit over blog entry
http://tinyurl.com/2e7h59 Owner of Fairfield's Vivo Restaurant Hires Attorney I have never gotten a thank you from anyone who owns a restaurant which serves food I have celebrated. On the other hand, I did just get a call from an attorney hired by the owner of Vivo, a restaurant that served me four meals that I found not to my liking, and blogged about it. I never expect a thank you from positive reviews. The question is, what do I expect from a negative review? Honestly, I never expected a response from the owner of Vivo. And perhaps that is due to my ignorance of living in a small town - I assume I am still living in a larger urban environment where my blog, like most peoples online presence, is lost in the chatter. There are over 50 million non "A-list" blogs - what are the chances that any owner of a restaurant I write about will read my comments on their food? Answer: the owner of restaurant in a small town. If a newspaper says good things about a restaurant, the owners of that restaurant will cut that article out and frame it in their entryway. If a newspaper says bad things about a restaurant, I doubt the owners hire an attorney. I have yet to see a restaurant display a positive review from a blog, nor have I heard of a blog's negative food review drawing the attention of an attorney (these are just my perceptions - they could be completely inaccurate). I assume the reason for this is because aside from some sort of A-list food critic blog, the attention doesn't really mean much. It's just some blogger with an opinion - and you know what they say about opinions . . . So back to Vivo. Last week the owner called me and asked if I would take down the article. I said I would edit it. I've made a couple edits in an attempt to make the review less harsh and I have asked friends if the article is mean or defamatory. The response I've gotten is that the article is about a bad food experience, and not an attack on anyone or business. This morning I get a call from an attorney representing the owner of Vivo. He told me that the article was malicious and requested that it be taken down. I asked him what was malicious about it. He said the tone was malicious. I said, send me an email or letter stating what should be changed to make the article not malicious and I will make those changes. He refused to do that or cooperate/work with me in any way. His purpose in this matter is to get the article removed, and in my perception, silence my opinion. I ended the call once it was clear he was not going to work with me to edit the parts perceived as malicious. To be clear, when someone uses the word malicious, I take that to mean "intent to cause harm to another". The article was not intended to cause anyone harm. It's a food review - a bad food review. Nothing more. I've thought a lot about it lately. I mean, I don't want to cause anyone distress - this is certainly not my intent. So why not remove the article? Well, on one hand that would be so easy, but on the other hand it feels like not being honest. My blog is an online diary plain and simple. I write about what's on my mind when I have time. Do I only write about the good stuff? What's my responsibility as a blogger? What's my responsibility as a blogger in a small town?
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to vote -- Who's a bigger liar and fuckhead? John or Edg?
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 5:16 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to vote -- Who's a bigger liar and fuckhead? John or Edg? >Anyone here want to give me John Manning's street address? "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God" (Matthew 5:9). No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.9/975 - Release Date: 8/26/2007 9:34 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: GULLIBLE FOOL IS A NAZI
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > All that gullible_fool fool did was crush a > > cockroach underfoot, one that had wandered > > into an otherwise clean and pleasant kitchen > > and started leaving its stink and dis-ease > > everywhere. The only problem with his action > > was that it wasn't permanent enough. > > > > off_world has now posted 43 times this week, > > and is being allowed to get away with acting > > like a 6-year-old schoolyard bully acting out > > after one of his victims punched him in the > > nose and made him cry in front of the other > > kids he's consistently tried to intimidate. I > > say step on him again, and this time wiggle > > your foot a couple of times to be sure. > > You're really experiencing a lot of anxiety > about your move to Spain, aren't you? > > The unpleasantness quotient of most of your > posts so far this week has been *extremely* > high, even for you, one hate-filled post > after another. > > Were you planning to leave all your Bad Stuff > back in France, perchance, like you hoped you'd > be able to leave it back in the U.S.? And now > that you've realized you took it with you > across the Atlantic, did you think maybe it > would be different this time, and if you could > just get away from France, you'd be really rid > of it? > > Is that why you're in such a tizzy about which > of your material things you're going to take and > which you're going to leave behind? Is that your > mind's disguise for your anxiety about whether > you're going to be able to leave your psychic > Bad Stuff behind? > > But down deep, where a little tiny piece of you > is still in touch with reality, you're afraid that > ain't gonna happen (and it ain't), so you're > taking your terror out on all your "enemies" here. > Touche! Object lesson: Monsieur Wright.:-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to vote -- Who's a bigger liar and fuckhead? John or Edg?
Anyone here want to give me John Manning's street address? Anyone? I'll keep you as my source a secret as far as I legally can, and pledge not to reveal it here. Probably, I could google it and find it, but maybe one of you knows the most recent address. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > Gang, let's take a vote! Who's a bigger liar and fuckhead? John or > > Edg? I await the decision of the group. Right now, I'd say John'll > > get four votes automatically, but after that, he might be in for an > > onslaught of naysayers. I'm thinking I'm going to win, cuz I haven't > > been here long enough to stomp on many toes -- hee hee, but John, it > > seems you are a well known by many here -- are you on the thin ice I > > think you are? > > > > Give me your address John Manning, and I'll get my lawyers on it. > > Could be fun watching the Judge writhe at the statements we'd be > hurling! > > > > What the hell did I do to you that you should show me such hostility? > > I haven't attacked you, and I only spoke the absolute truth about > > what I heard Charlie say in front of hundreds of others. And suddenly > > you pop up with a machine gun blasting. > > > > For you to attack me so viciously must mean you're having a bad day, eh? > > > > Nab, you can stop being worried that I'll hunt you down. I got > > something better to do now! > > > > Come on John, gimme your address -- if you don't give it, then you > > must be afraid of the legal consequences, eh? > > > > I'm on record here many times in a confessional mode with my heart on > > my sleeve. I've admitted to making a ton of mistakes -- even being > > overly angry in my responses to others here, but I don't see much > > humility in your posts. > > > > And my memory is spot on about that day I heard Charlie talk about > > Jesus and the spaceship and the pyramid. He fucking said it. > > > > Yet, I'm scratching a bloody furrow in my scalp here, because you have > > this "good side" that you present, and you obviously have wonderful > > tender feelings and thoughts and a good soul -- from time to time. > > > > Here's John's words from a previous post: > > > > "Brahmachari Satyanand had been a disciple of Guru Dev for many > > years. He later worked with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi to help bring > > Transcendental Meditation to the world. I had the great honor of > > having met and spoken with him two times." -John Manning > > > > Now, I ask you, John, if Brahmachari Satyanand (I've never heard a bad > > word about him.) was a regular poster here, would you have still > > called me a liar and a fuckhead? Would you like to re-write your > > response? I can let bygones be bygones if you'll merely admit that I > > was telling the truth as far as I could tell but that you think I was > > wrongly remembering the incident. > > > > That I can do, but letting you call me a liar (a mindful intent to be > > immoral on my part is the accusation, right?) and a fuckhead (er, are > > you saying that I'm somehow involved with an orifice of some > > gargantuanosity into which a my head is inserted repeatedly for some > > sort of deviant and sick entertainment? Or, are you saying that my > > head should be fucked? Confused here if you're really trying to get a > > slander suit going, or if you're gay and coming on to me. So, I await > > your definition so that I can explain "your words" to my lawyers.) > > > > Can you admit to not having been at that Berkeley Center meeting? Can > > you come up with one reason why I might lie about Charlie in such a > > manner if I didn't think it was true? Just to be sure you understand > > me, I would think that if I lied about such a thing that I would be, > > yes, a liar and fuckhead and that I should be abused no end for it. > > So, when you accuse me of such a dastardly crime, I'm pretty much okay > > with getting revengeful on your ass. > > > > The swiftness of the appearance of your anger bespeaks of some other > > source that has nothing to do with me, but I'm your target? Kick the > > dog? Someone you love dying? What? > > > > If so, stop now, cuz I'm retired and got the cash and my lawyers love > > me cuz I'm putting their kids through college. I think lawsuits are > > funzies! It's a hobby of mine. Just now finishing up one -- which > > I'm winning hands down -- and I'll have to fill the upcoming void. > > You want a piece of me? I'm rubbing my hands in glee! > > > > Give your address or be exposed as a coward who won't stand behind his > > slander once it's been loosed upon the world. > > > > Edward William (aka Edg) Duveyoung -- waiting for a moral act by John > > Manning in front of a group of his peers. > > > Go fuck yourself, little man. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mother Teresa's "Dark Night"
I was walking down a street in SF once when I came upon a clutch (gaggle, swarm, school?) of her sisters walking towards me. I heard they were running an AIDS hospice in the neighborhood. It seemed to me that they were doing a walking meditation as they appeared to have an interior focus and were manipulating their Rosary beads as they walked. They had such a kind and careworn look, with bright little eyes that shown out from wrinkled apple faces. One women in particular had a "glow" that was particularly radiant. Our eyes met for a second, and I saw infinity, love and abundant grace. I dunno about you, but I just want to hug those people!
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" wrote: > > > > > > It's interesting that Barry brought up that he secretly > > > recorded parts of Charlie's lectures. Now I know who the > > > asshole was who did it. But what Barry didn't tell you, > > > is that the tapes were doctored [I don't know if Barry > > > was in on the doctoring] to make it look like Charlie > > > was contradicting Maharishi. > > > > Mr. I-used-to-have-a-spine-until-I-met-Judy-Stein- > > and-learned-to-kiss-ass-for-a-living has his facts > > mixed up with self-importance fantasies. > > Barry is really, REALLY terrified about his move > to Spain. How do you know for sure that this compulsive liar barry/turqey/whatever-fellow actually went anywhere ? ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re:Time to vote --AmongUr selfs! Who's a bigger liar and fuckhead? Jo...
The language & tone is not up to our supposed standards vote with each other do Ur dirty,laundry among Ur selves ONLY! Do not as us to be so dragged in & what does a vote matter any way. Just go away form the form if U all can not continually raise its tone & thoughts & PLEASE do NOT lower it with gray thought forms. THANKS in ADVANCE ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
RE: [FairfieldLife] Reminder to Kirk
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 4:31 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Reminder to Kirk On Aug 27, 2007, at 4:12 PM, Rick Archer wrote: 35 post-per-week limit. You’ve got 2 left. I was wondering when that would happen--and almost all of Kirk's about as content-free as you can get. You know, Rick, along with the posting limit, you really ought to think about a Loony Limit as well. With Nab, do.reflex, Off and Kirk posting at the same time, I'm guessing we've exceeded that one many time over already this week. “Loony” is too relative a term, and would take too much judgment and intervention on my part to referee. And according to some, I’d be the pot calling the kettle black. Easier to just count the posts and let people decide how to use them. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.9/975 - Release Date: 8/26/2007 9:34 PM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Recycling Enlightenment
Rick Archer wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bhairitu >> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 1:21 PM >> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Recycling Enlightenment >> >>> So how do you legally dispose of batteries? >>> >>> >> Up until recently you had to take them to a center run by the waste >> disposal company which is not very convenient. You also have to take >> other toxic disposables there such as fluorescent lights, paints, etc. >> But the stores that sell batteries like drug stores, Radio Shack, etc. >> have begun to put some boxes out where you can turn old batteries in. >> > > I'll check to see if Wal-Mart has done this and ask them to do so if they > haven't. > > > Good idea but here in California it is a state law that you can't just throw the batteries into the garbage. It may be different where you are. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Mother Teresa's "Dark Night"
In a message dated 8/27/07 2:35:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For the rest of her life, says van Biema, she was "tormented by spiritual darkness." So much for Calcutta. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to vote -- Who's a bigger liar and fuckhead? John or Edg?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Gang, let's take a vote! Who's a bigger liar and fuckhead? John or > Edg? You're a bigger fuckhead by far (if at least partly because you're into sticking your neck out and calling attention to yourself). You get big fuckhead points from me--hypocrite variety--because of your ongoing mutual ass- kissing relationship with Barry, who's by far the biggest fuckhead *and* liar on this forum. You also get hypocrite points for reacting to John as you have after you laid into Nablus in a significantly more vicious fashion than John has gone after you. I've never known John to lie. I haven't seen any lies from you, but I haven't "known" you for anywhere near as long. If I were forced to choose between your word and John's on something I didn't know anything about, I'd take John's. I await the decision of the group. Right now, I'd say John'll > get four votes automatically, but after that, he might be in for an > onslaught of naysayers. I'm thinking I'm going to win, cuz I haven't > been here long enough to stomp on many toes -- hee hee, but John, it > seems you are a well known by many here -- are you on the thin ice I > think you are? To my knowledge, there are three people here who are familiar with John--Alex, Barry, and myself. I don't think anyone else knows him any better than you do; you both arrived, I believe, around the same time. I don't know how Alex feels about John. Barry hates him because John sees right through Barry's phony act, as many others did on alt.m.t. I consider myself fortunate to have John as a friend. It's a relationship that was forged in a great deal of Sturm und Drang and is all the more valuable for that. If you were to read a selection of his posts from alt.m.t, you'd have a similar response to those you've read here: some you'd like a lot, some you wouldn't. Nobody here is 100 percent (either way).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Reminder to Kirk
On Aug 27, 2007, at 4:12 PM, Rick Archer wrote: 35 post-per-week limit. You’ve got 2 left. I was wondering when that would happen--and almost all of Kirk's about as content-free as you can get. You know, Rick, along with the posting limit, you really ought to think about a Loony Limit as well. With Nab, do.reflex, Off and Kirk posting at the same time, I'm guessing we've exceeded that one many time over already this week. Sal
[FairfieldLife] My favorite Charlie Lutes story
Is when I got stuck being "door guy" at Maharishi's door the night before the second Merv taping. Charlie arrived, I went inside and told one of the guys inside that he was there, watched him walk up to Maharishi and tell him that Charlie was there, and then come back to me and say, "Maharishi said to have him wait." Charlie waited, fuming. He stood there for a while, among all the dozen or so other people waiting outside the door, and then he started to pace. Finally, after about half an hour, he announced in a large voice, "It's been over an hour! I wouldn't wait an hour to see Jesus Christ. I'm leaving." And he did. *That* is Charlie Lutes. He wanted what he had at the very beginning of the TM movement, to be "special." He was kept out of the room because some important network people were in there and Maharishi was afraid he'd embarrass him. And, rather than wait outside with all the other peons, Charlie stalked off in a snit, and then made up a grand paranoid tale about "Jerry's minions" keeping him out of the room. *Maharishi* kept him out of the room, and kept him waiting in the hallway with all the other peons. And Charlie was too "special" to wait with all the others. Half an hour among the Great Unwashed was as far as his "devotion" went. Yeah, Charlie was "special" all right. In the same place that *his* minions were -- and seemingly are still -- "special." In their minds.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > > > I had a number of heated debates with Charlie devotees. > > > Most of them didn't seem to care whether or not Charlie > > > was representing Maharishi's teachings. They considered > > > Charlie to be a member of the White Brotherhood and in an > > > exalted state of consciousness with direct cognitive or > > > intuitive access to the things he was saying. I think > > > Charlie tried to give them this impression. I always > > > argued that he was merely parroting things he had read > > > in esoteric books, but they didn't buy it. I remember > > > one guy arguing that Charlie was undoubtedly enlightened > > > "because he had been meditating 15 years." > > > > Let's face it...after years of promises and > > no delivery on them, TMers were just prime > > sucker bait. > > Charlie had a personal following long before > neganaughtery became the order of the day. > > They'd flock around *anyone* > > who pretended to be knowledgeable or who > > would tell them Woo Woo stuff they couldn't > > get from Maharishi or the regular TM teachers. > > You realize you just contradicted yourself > here, right? > > > Just look at the numbers > > of TMers who are impressed by someone who can > > zap them with a bit of minor shakti. After > > years and years of nothing, they look upon > > even the smallest something as if it's mean- > > ingful and the best thing since sliced bread. > > What numbers would those be, Barry? > > > And, before anyone comes rushing in to accuse > > me of "TM bashing" again > > You're TM- and TMer-bashing again. > > , this phenomenon is > > NOT limited to TM and TMers. It's across the > > board, in almost every spiritual trip I've > > ever encountered. People bring their desires > > to see and hear flashy stuff to the ball with > > them, and *of course* the teachers dance with > > them and tell them exactly what they want to > > hear. > > Except that above you claimed the TMers were after > the "Woo Woo stuff [TMers] *couldn't get* from > Maharishi or the regular TM teachers" (my emphasis). > > And you go on to make the same assertion: > > > And [the TMers] knew that they > > couldn't get this stuff from Maharishi or the > > "straight" TM teachers. So they flocked around > > Charlie because he made them feel all superior > > and special. > > Plus which, you're contradicting one of your > most-often-used mantras, about how TMers were > taken in by MMY because *he made them feel all > superior and special*. > > Now, in the interests of bashing Charlie and, of > course, TMers again, the TMers flocked to Charlie > because MMY *didn't* make them feel all superior > and special, according to you. > > You're trying to bash TMers, TM, MMY, and Charlie > all at once with the same stick, and you've ended > up in one of your usual rhetorical muddles. *Sounds* > good, but it doesn't make any sense. > > And people eat it up, because it makes > > them feel all special to know things that > > lesser, not-as-special-as-we-are humans don't. > > Did you ever ask yourself whether you might be > projecting this tendency on others because it's > how *you* feel, but not necessarily how > everybody else feels? > > I mean, it sure looks to me as though you're > describing your own repeated boasting about > what you experienced with Lenz: "I saw > levitation and golden light and all kinds of > other neat stuff and you didn't, nyah-nyah!" > The other thing I see here Judy is that Barry "dances in the dark" a lot, because no one has changed the tune playing for him in the Ballroom, for a lng, lng time. So on the receiving end for us are the same ol' same ol' tired stories, that after awhile we've heard many, many times before. Those who may be susceptible to the dynamics in these stories have long since moved on, or don't follow FFL, so its more about Barry's Lament on Not Having Made It Yet, than it is anything else to do with TMers, Maharishi, Charlie Lutes, spiritual seekers, Rama, others on here, etc, etc, etc. Spiritual seekers go through this stage very reliably, consistently and unmistakably-- They have moved on from the samskara/sleep stage of life, having begun to awaken from the retread patterns etched in their synapses, to discover by bit by bit, fits, starts, and grace, all that life may have to offer. And then they get stuck, and after some flashy experiences, notice that they are bridging the old asleep ways, on the one hand, and "the promise of paradise fulfilled" (as a dear friend refers to it),on the other, though they are not really in either camp. So they focus their energy in two areas-- either rajas/satva, finding creative, uplifting pursuits that will continue to teach them, that they can hopefully learn enough from to be set free f
[FairfieldLife] Reminder to Kirk
35 post-per-week limit. You’ve got 2 left. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.9/975 - Release Date: 8/26/2007 9:34 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to vote -- Who's a bigger liar and fuckhead? John or Edg?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Gang, let's take a vote! Who's a bigger liar and fuckhead? John or > Edg? I await the decision of the group. Right now, I'd say John'll > get four votes automatically, but after that, he might be in for an > onslaught of naysayers. I'm thinking I'm going to win, cuz I haven't > been here long enough to stomp on many toes -- hee hee, but John, it > seems you are a well known by many here -- are you on the thin ice I > think you are? > > Give me your address John Manning, and I'll get my lawyers on it. > Could be fun watching the Judge writhe at the statements we'd be hurling! > > What the hell did I do to you that you should show me such hostility? > I haven't attacked you, and I only spoke the absolute truth about > what I heard Charlie say in front of hundreds of others. And suddenly > you pop up with a machine gun blasting. > > For you to attack me so viciously must mean you're having a bad day, eh? > > Nab, you can stop being worried that I'll hunt you down. I got > something better to do now! > > Come on John, gimme your address -- if you don't give it, then you > must be afraid of the legal consequences, eh? > > I'm on record here many times in a confessional mode with my heart on > my sleeve. I've admitted to making a ton of mistakes -- even being > overly angry in my responses to others here, but I don't see much > humility in your posts. > > And my memory is spot on about that day I heard Charlie talk about > Jesus and the spaceship and the pyramid. He fucking said it. > > Yet, I'm scratching a bloody furrow in my scalp here, because you have > this "good side" that you present, and you obviously have wonderful > tender feelings and thoughts and a good soul -- from time to time. > > Here's John's words from a previous post: > > "Brahmachari Satyanand had been a disciple of Guru Dev for many > years. He later worked with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi to help bring > Transcendental Meditation to the world. I had the great honor of > having met and spoken with him two times." -John Manning > > Now, I ask you, John, if Brahmachari Satyanand (I've never heard a bad > word about him.) was a regular poster here, would you have still > called me a liar and a fuckhead? Would you like to re-write your > response? I can let bygones be bygones if you'll merely admit that I > was telling the truth as far as I could tell but that you think I was > wrongly remembering the incident. > > That I can do, but letting you call me a liar (a mindful intent to be > immoral on my part is the accusation, right?) and a fuckhead (er, are > you saying that I'm somehow involved with an orifice of some > gargantuanosity into which a my head is inserted repeatedly for some > sort of deviant and sick entertainment? Or, are you saying that my > head should be fucked? Confused here if you're really trying to get a > slander suit going, or if you're gay and coming on to me. So, I await > your definition so that I can explain "your words" to my lawyers.) > > Can you admit to not having been at that Berkeley Center meeting? Can > you come up with one reason why I might lie about Charlie in such a > manner if I didn't think it was true? Just to be sure you understand > me, I would think that if I lied about such a thing that I would be, > yes, a liar and fuckhead and that I should be abused no end for it. > So, when you accuse me of such a dastardly crime, I'm pretty much okay > with getting revengeful on your ass. > > The swiftness of the appearance of your anger bespeaks of some other > source that has nothing to do with me, but I'm your target? Kick the > dog? Someone you love dying? What? > > If so, stop now, cuz I'm retired and got the cash and my lawyers love > me cuz I'm putting their kids through college. I think lawsuits are > funzies! It's a hobby of mine. Just now finishing up one -- which > I'm winning hands down -- and I'll have to fill the upcoming void. > You want a piece of me? I'm rubbing my hands in glee! > > Give your address or be exposed as a coward who won't stand behind his > slander once it's been loosed upon the world. > > Edward William (aka Edg) Duveyoung -- waiting for a moral act by John > Manning in front of a group of his peers. Go fuck yourself, little man.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" wrote: > > > > It's interesting that Barry brought up that he secretly > > recorded parts of Charlie's lectures. Now I know who the > > asshole was who did it. But what Barry didn't tell you, > > is that the tapes were doctored [I don't know if Barry > > was in on the doctoring] to make it look like Charlie > > was contradicting Maharishi. > > Mr. I-used-to-have-a-spine-until-I-met-Judy-Stein- > and-learned-to-kiss-ass-for-a-living has his facts > mixed up with self-importance fantasies. > > I made a couple of tapes, and turned them over to > the Regional Coordinator in question, and he played > them *verbatim* for Charlie when he denied saying > these things. We heard later that Charlie had made > up a story about "doctored tapes," but anyone who > used to listen to him knows that no "doctoring" > was necessary. Charlie was caught cold doing what > he'd always done, and as usual found a way to lie > his ass off and convince the toadies who kissed > that ass on a regular basis that it was Someone > Else's Fault. > > > I got that from two insiders who directly knew about > > it. > > Yeah, right...a couple of Charlie ass-kissers like > John who believed anything he told them. :-) > > And note the use of the elitist, "special" term > "insiders." > > > This is the extent to which certain people hated Charlie ... > > Ever notice how people with self-importance fantasies > always seem to come up with stories about the people > *they* are jealous of hating them? :-) Charlie was > the king at this, and managed to convince most of the > ass-kissers that he was being "persecuted" by Jerry's > evil minions. > > What John's not telling you is that he's still pissed > at Jerry for chasing him out of a meeting he wasn't > supposed to be in. Like his mentor on AMT, and like > Charlie himself, the only spiritual lesson John seems > to have learned is how to hold a grudge for decades. :-) > > > and it was on this basis that smears about Charlie began > > to permeate the TMO via Jarvis' little kingdom and poison > > the well for Charlie. > > And Charlie had *nothing* to do with it. Yeah, right. :-) > > Again, ever notice how the poor, persecuted self- > important ones are *never* responsible for anything > they say and do? It's always the fault of the evil > lesser beings who persecute them. :-) > > The bottom line with "Charlie's troops" is that > they liked to consider themselves "special," and > *above* those lesser TM types. > > And they still do. > > And they get a little crazy when someone suggests > that they were *never* terribly important or special, > still aren't, and will never be. > > Except at ass-kissing, that is. At that they excel. :-) Behold Barry's elaborate act embellished with outright lies, one of which is that Jarvis chased me out of a meeting I "wasn't supposed to be at." That never happened. And talk about self-serving "specialness." Barry is the self-named 'Mahananda' of "specialness." Too bad it's all futile ego self-importance. I don't believe I've ever encountered such an overt, loud, selfish and determined ego. I don't think he can help himself and it's likely the poor slob is *really* gonna crash when the time inevitably comes.
[FairfieldLife] Time to vote -- Who's a bigger liar and fuckhead? John or Edg?
Gang, let's take a vote! Who's a bigger liar and fuckhead? John or Edg? I await the decision of the group. Right now, I'd say John'll get four votes automatically, but after that, he might be in for an onslaught of naysayers. I'm thinking I'm going to win, cuz I haven't been here long enough to stomp on many toes -- hee hee, but John, it seems you are a well known by many here -- are you on the thin ice I think you are? Give me your address John Manning, and I'll get my lawyers on it. Could be fun watching the Judge writhe at the statements we'd be hurling! What the hell did I do to you that you should show me such hostility? I haven't attacked you, and I only spoke the absolute truth about what I heard Charlie say in front of hundreds of others. And suddenly you pop up with a machine gun blasting. For you to attack me so viciously must mean you're having a bad day, eh? Nab, you can stop being worried that I'll hunt you down. I got something better to do now! Come on John, gimme your address -- if you don't give it, then you must be afraid of the legal consequences, eh? I'm on record here many times in a confessional mode with my heart on my sleeve. I've admitted to making a ton of mistakes -- even being overly angry in my responses to others here, but I don't see much humility in your posts. And my memory is spot on about that day I heard Charlie talk about Jesus and the spaceship and the pyramid. He fucking said it. Yet, I'm scratching a bloody furrow in my scalp here, because you have this "good side" that you present, and you obviously have wonderful tender feelings and thoughts and a good soul -- from time to time. Here's John's words from a previous post: "Brahmachari Satyanand had been a disciple of Guru Dev for many years. He later worked with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi to help bring Transcendental Meditation to the world. I had the great honor of having met and spoken with him two times." -John Manning Now, I ask you, John, if Brahmachari Satyanand (I've never heard a bad word about him.) was a regular poster here, would you have still called me a liar and a fuckhead? Would you like to re-write your response? I can let bygones be bygones if you'll merely admit that I was telling the truth as far as I could tell but that you think I was wrongly remembering the incident. That I can do, but letting you call me a liar (a mindful intent to be immoral on my part is the accusation, right?) and a fuckhead (er, are you saying that I'm somehow involved with an orifice of some gargantuanosity into which a my head is inserted repeatedly for some sort of deviant and sick entertainment? Or, are you saying that my head should be fucked? Confused here if you're really trying to get a slander suit going, or if you're gay and coming on to me. So, I await your definition so that I can explain "your words" to my lawyers.) Can you admit to not having been at that Berkeley Center meeting? Can you come up with one reason why I might lie about Charlie in such a manner if I didn't think it was true? Just to be sure you understand me, I would think that if I lied about such a thing that I would be, yes, a liar and fuckhead and that I should be abused no end for it. So, when you accuse me of such a dastardly crime, I'm pretty much okay with getting revengeful on your ass. The swiftness of the appearance of your anger bespeaks of some other source that has nothing to do with me, but I'm your target? Kick the dog? Someone you love dying? What? If so, stop now, cuz I'm retired and got the cash and my lawyers love me cuz I'm putting their kids through college. I think lawsuits are funzies! It's a hobby of mine. Just now finishing up one -- which I'm winning hands down -- and I'll have to fill the upcoming void. You want a piece of me? I'm rubbing my hands in glee! Give your address or be exposed as a coward who won't stand behind his slander once it's been loosed upon the world. Edward William (aka Edg) Duveyoung -- waiting for a moral act by John Manning in front of a group of his peers. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" wrote: > > > I knew Charlie personally for 20 years. You're lying that he made such > > > a claim about Jesus in a spaceship. > > > > I heard Charlie say exactly what I say he said at the Berkeley TM > > Center in front of hundreds of people who paid $15.00 for the lecture. > > > > dolrflex, are you still going to say I'm a liar when there's probably > > hundreds of folks I could get to testify to the same statements I've > made? > > > > If so, tell me how deep your pockets are. If deep enough, I'll sue > > your ass. > > > > Anyone else want some of this action? Anyone else in Berkeley that day? > > > > Who is do.rflex? What's the low down on him? What's the skinny? > > > > Fill me with negativity a
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" wrote: > > > > It's interesting that Barry brought up that he secretly > > recorded parts of Charlie's lectures. Now I know who the > > asshole was who did it. But what Barry didn't tell you, > > is that the tapes were doctored [I don't know if Barry > > was in on the doctoring] to make it look like Charlie > > was contradicting Maharishi. > > Mr. I-used-to-have-a-spine-until-I-met-Judy-Stein- > and-learned-to-kiss-ass-for-a-living has his facts > mixed up with self-importance fantasies. Barry is really, REALLY terrified about his move to Spain.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
Hey Alex, no need for all these thousand names if one has Lalita. - Original Message - From: "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios > Ok, I've downloaded all the CL audio files and uploaded them to my > webserver. > > http://alex.natel.net/ffl/audio/ > > To make things a bit more organized, I put the MMY and CL files into > their own designated subfolders. Keep in mind, though, that they'll > probably download a lot quicker off the original www.box.net URLs. > > One morning last week, the web server bogged down to a crawl, and I > don't know if it was some kind of denial of service attack or simply > too many people trying to access it at once, so if you have any > difficulty downloading files, check back later and try again. And, > please don't just play them live in your web browser; right click (or > the Mac/Linux/etc. equivalent) and save the files to your hard drive. > > The machine hosting those files is an old desktop PC that I bought new > in 1999, and it probably doesn't take much to overwhelm its little 733 > MHz Pentium III. So, please download files one at a time. Thanks! > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> http://www.box.net/shared/z5dh8vce26 >> >> http://www.box.net/shared/emxrsfx1b3 >> >> http://www.box.net/shared/1bc3mf10af >> >> http://www.box.net/shared/dxv2qcimkv >> >> http://www.box.net/shared/7xjcul2zii >> >> http://www.box.net/shared/mi5o1zq39q >> >> http://www.box.net/shared/rhmal2y4jn >> >> http://www.box.net/shared/i8zchc5zk3 >> > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
Baay By, it be slow. At this rate I'll never - Original Message - From: "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios > Ok, I've downloaded all the CL audio files and uploaded them to my > webserver. > > http://alex.natel.net/ffl/audio/ > > To make things a bit more organized, I put the MMY and CL files into > their own designated subfolders. Keep in mind, though, that they'll > probably download a lot quicker off the original www.box.net URLs. > > One morning last week, the web server bogged down to a crawl, and I > don't know if it was some kind of denial of service attack or simply > too many people trying to access it at once, so if you have any > difficulty downloading files, check back later and try again. And, > please don't just play them live in your web browser; right click (or > the Mac/Linux/etc. equivalent) and save the files to your hard drive. > > The machine hosting those files is an old desktop PC that I bought new > in 1999, and it probably doesn't take much to overwhelm its little 733 > MHz Pentium III. So, please download files one at a time. Thanks! > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> http://www.box.net/shared/z5dh8vce26 >> >> http://www.box.net/shared/emxrsfx1b3 >> >> http://www.box.net/shared/1bc3mf10af >> >> http://www.box.net/shared/dxv2qcimkv >> >> http://www.box.net/shared/7xjcul2zii >> >> http://www.box.net/shared/mi5o1zq39q >> >> http://www.box.net/shared/rhmal2y4jn >> >> http://www.box.net/shared/i8zchc5zk3 >> > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
Charlie didn't lack integrity he soaked up too much Manly P Hall. - Original Message - From: "Duveyoung" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 10:38 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios > I'm wondering what value Charlie Lutes tapes have for most of us here. > > I think just about everyone has posted something negative about his > prognostications -- my contribution was that I personally heard him > predict that in a couple years (1974 at the time) there would be a > "finding of the space ship Jesus used to come to earth parked inside > the pyramid." When I personally asked him about this prediction a > decade later, he denied ever saying it. > > I think anyone who predicts anything that doesn't come true should be > held up to a strong light, and Charlie, for whatever good he did by > being inspirational, blew any good karma he'd gained thereby by his > utter disregard for integrity. > > What next? Andy Rymer "how to rape a child right in front of their > parents" tapes? Harold Bloomfield's "drug and rape" tapes? Ed > Beckeley's "sucker the poor and rape tapes? Kaplan's "how to have a > bigger dick than Chris Hartnett" tapes? Bevan and John's "how to get > into a married woman's pants" tapes? Johnny and Barbara's "how I > faked scholarship and only paid 20 bucks for the diploma and still > made millions" tapes? > > Some legacy of the TMO, eh? > > Yeah, stock the tapes -- right on the same shelf as the "get > enlightened for one million dollars -- but wait, act within the next > ten minutes and get this Burger King crown too!" tapes. > > Edg > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> On Behalf Of Alex Stanley >> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 9:00 AM >> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios >> >> >> >> Ok, I've downloaded all the CL audio files and uploaded them to my >> webserver. >> >> HYPERLINK > "http://alex.natel.net/ffl/audio/"http://alex.natel.net/ffl/audio/ >> >> I'll link to that from the links section, rather than to all the > individual >> ones on box. >> >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.9/975 - Release Date: > 8/26/2007 >> 9:34 PM >> > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's interesting that Barry brought up that he secretly > recorded parts of Charlie's lectures. Now I know who the > asshole was who did it. But what Barry didn't tell you, > is that the tapes were doctored [I don't know if Barry > was in on the doctoring] to make it look like Charlie > was contradicting Maharishi. Mr. I-used-to-have-a-spine-until-I-met-Judy-Stein- and-learned-to-kiss-ass-for-a-living has his facts mixed up with self-importance fantasies. I made a couple of tapes, and turned them over to the Regional Coordinator in question, and he played them *verbatim* for Charlie when he denied saying these things. We heard later that Charlie had made up a story about "doctored tapes," but anyone who used to listen to him knows that no "doctoring" was necessary. Charlie was caught cold doing what he'd always done, and as usual found a way to lie his ass off and convince the toadies who kissed that ass on a regular basis that it was Someone Else's Fault. > I got that from two insiders who directly knew about > it. Yeah, right...a couple of Charlie ass-kissers like John who believed anything he told them. :-) And note the use of the elitist, "special" term "insiders." > This is the extent to which certain people hated Charlie ... Ever notice how people with self-importance fantasies always seem to come up with stories about the people *they* are jealous of hating them? :-) Charlie was the king at this, and managed to convince most of the ass-kissers that he was being "persecuted" by Jerry's evil minions. What John's not telling you is that he's still pissed at Jerry for chasing him out of a meeting he wasn't supposed to be in. Like his mentor on AMT, and like Charlie himself, the only spiritual lesson John seems to have learned is how to hold a grudge for decades. :-) > and it was on this basis that smears about Charlie began > to permeate the TMO via Jarvis' little kingdom and poison > the well for Charlie. And Charlie had *nothing* to do with it. Yeah, right. :-) Again, ever notice how the poor, persecuted self- important ones are *never* responsible for anything they say and do? It's always the fault of the evil lesser beings who persecute them. :-) The bottom line with "Charlie's troops" is that they liked to consider themselves "special," and *above* those lesser TM types. And they still do. And they get a little crazy when someone suggests that they were *never* terribly important or special, still aren't, and will never be. Except at ass-kissing, that is. At that they excel. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sinhlnx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --I don't know about Jesus in a spaceship, but Charlie claimed he was > an incarnationof Alexander the Great. Yes. He did say that in a lecture or two. > > > In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" > wrote: > > > > I knew Charlie personally for 20 years. You're lying that he > made such > > > > a claim about Jesus in a spaceship. > > > > > > I heard Charlie say exactly what I say he said at the Berkeley TM > > > Center in front of hundreds of people who paid $15.00 for the > lecture. > > > > > > dolrflex, are you still going to say I'm a liar when there's > probably > > > hundreds of folks I could get to testify to the same statements > I've > > made? > > > > > > If so, tell me how deep your pockets are. If deep enough, I'll > sue > > > your ass. > > > > > > Anyone else want some of this action? Anyone else in Berkeley > that day? > > > > > > Who is do.rflex? What's the low down on him? What's the skinny? > > > > > > Fill me with negativity about do.rflex -- I'm in slurping mode! > > > > > > Edg > > > > > > You reveal yourself as a hostile, low-life asshole by your behavior > > here. And I DO think you're lying about Charlie saying that Jesus > > would come in a spaceship. He may have used that as an example of > what > > some new agers might wish for, but he certainly didn't claim Jesus > > would come in a spaceship. > > > > So sue me, fuckhead. I think you're a liar. > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--I don't know about Jesus in a spaceship, but Charlie claimed he was an incarnationof Alexander the Great. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" wrote: > > > I knew Charlie personally for 20 years. You're lying that he made such > > > a claim about Jesus in a spaceship. > > > > I heard Charlie say exactly what I say he said at the Berkeley TM > > Center in front of hundreds of people who paid $15.00 for the lecture. > > > > dolrflex, are you still going to say I'm a liar when there's probably > > hundreds of folks I could get to testify to the same statements I've > made? > > > > If so, tell me how deep your pockets are. If deep enough, I'll sue > > your ass. > > > > Anyone else want some of this action? Anyone else in Berkeley that day? > > > > Who is do.rflex? What's the low down on him? What's the skinny? > > > > Fill me with negativity about do.rflex -- I'm in slurping mode! > > > > Edg > > > You reveal yourself as a hostile, low-life asshole by your behavior > here. And I DO think you're lying about Charlie saying that Jesus > would come in a spaceship. He may have used that as an example of what > some new agers might wish for, but he certainly didn't claim Jesus > would come in a spaceship. > > So sue me, fuckhead. I think you're a liar. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > Who is do.rflex? What's the low down on him? What's the skinny? > > > > Fill me with negativity about do.rflex -- I'm in slurping mode! > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/129912 > > do.rflex is John Manning. He is part of FFL's AMT crowd > (alt.meditation.transcendental, which is where Judy, Barry, I, and > other FFLers used to hang out.) You can get a feeling for who he is by > browsing his AMT posts on Google Groups: In my observation, John is a straight arrow who don't take no sh*t from nobody. > > http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search >
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" wrote: > > I knew Charlie personally for 20 years. You're lying that he made such > > a claim about Jesus in a spaceship. > > I heard Charlie say exactly what I say he said at the Berkeley TM > Center in front of hundreds of people who paid $15.00 for the lecture. > > dolrflex, are you still going to say I'm a liar when there's probably > hundreds of folks I could get to testify to the same statements I've made? > > If so, tell me how deep your pockets are. If deep enough, I'll sue > your ass. > > Anyone else want some of this action? Anyone else in Berkeley that day? > > Who is do.rflex? What's the low down on him? What's the skinny? > > Fill me with negativity about do.rflex -- I'm in slurping mode! > > Edg You reveal yourself as a hostile, low-life asshole by your behavior here. And I DO think you're lying about Charlie saying that Jesus would come in a spaceship. He may have used that as an example of what some new agers might wish for, but he certainly didn't claim Jesus would come in a spaceship. So sue me, fuckhead. I think you're a liar.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mother Teresa's "Dark Night"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Two thing bother me about this (not the post, but the > Mother T. story!) First, all this info is from her > confessor which is supposed to be private. What > business is it of his to publish this stuff? She had asked that the correspondence be kept private, but the Church itself overruled her (not her confessors). Two, I > don't know the context of any of her letters to him. > This was her extremely private spiritual struggle, not > meant for others to consume for their entertainment. > For someone who did not feel the presence of God, she > certainly behaved and acted more like a saint than any > of us miserable sinners. I suspect that's exactly why the Church wanted the letters published, to demonstrate that you don't have to be a saint in the experiential sense to be saintly in terms of what you do for others. Clearly, the Church wouldn't have allowed the letters to be published if it thought they reflected badly on her. The Church probably felt they would make her seem quite heroic, especially in terms of how she dealt the situation. I didn't find the article "entertaining" per se (I haven't read the book), but it was extremely thought-provoking. If you see any other commentary on the book, I'd be interested to know about it. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people feel as you do. And do read the article I linked to; you may find it's not as bad as you think. RIP in the heart of God, Mama > T. you deserve it more than anyone else. > > --- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Time magazine has a startling article by David van > > Biema, > > "Mother Teresa's Crisis of Faith," examining a new > > book > > of her correspondence with her various spiritual > > directors. Apparently, unknown to anyone but these > > correspondents, from the beginning of her mission to > > tend the poor in Calcutta, she completely lost any > > sense > > of the presence of God, except for one five-week > > break > > early in this period of her life where it returned > > temporarily, only to disappear for good. For the > > rest of > > her life, says van Biema, she was "tormented by > > spiritual > > darkness." > > > > That's pretty amazing. How she learned to live with > > this > > is a fascinating tale: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/23kudz > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > __ __ > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. > http://sims.yahoo.com/ >
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda
Kirk, One thing I always wanted to ask you when I was a lurker and you were a poster: Do you have a "moral" about putting "consciousness" into your cooking? I mood make that I do this when I am cutting my veggies "oh so carefully." I think that each cut is, say, several thoughts/attentionings on the food which then raises up the vibe of the food. Who knows if this concept is oogabooga, eh? But I love the concept. This is why the Mona Lisa is the most famous painting in the world -- cuz Da Vinci paid attention to it every day of his life with a single stroke here and another there. I once painted a portrait of Maharishi that, honest now, I could actually accurately determine how many brush strokes I'd put on the canvas (big canvas,) and it was over 1,000,000 strokes. When I see those TV chefs slicing up food so quickly, I just gotta wonder if they're putting nearly as much love into their food as I do making a sandwich. Does ya or doesn't ya? And, what's the perfect spice to go with sliced cucumbers? I know so many, but what's THE spice? Just wondering. Hope it isn't Dill! Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes, thanks. Or if they were human they should have been. > > - Original Message - > From: "Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 2:48 PM > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda > > > > Kirk, I'm so glad you're back on FFL. Your posts > > always liven things up! I don't have a clue what > > you're talking about here, though. Do you mean that > > Swami M. and MMY were starved of human contact or > > something? >
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--Thanks, I sent the audio tape addresses to Jerry Jarvis. He should be amused. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > I had a number of heated debates with Charlie devotees. Most of them > didn't > > seem to care whether or not Charlie was representing Maharishi's > teachings. > > They considered Charlie to be a member of the White Brotherhood and > in an > > exalted state of consciousness with direct cognitive or intuitive > access to > > the things he was saying. I think Charlie tried to give them this > > impression. I always argued that he was merely parroting things he > had read > > in esoteric books, but they didn't buy it. I remember one guy > arguing that > > Charlie was undoubtedly enlightened "because he had been meditating 15 > > years." > > > In my perspective in those days, the do-as-you're-told > follow-the-image crowd in the TMO, mostly represented by Jerry Jarvis > and his clique, despised Charlie because Charlie didn't conform to > their commonly adopted phony bullshit 'smiles' and 'calmness' image > and performance. Charlie DID speak from his own experience while most > others just parroted what the party line happened to be at the time. > Charlie's presence and manner made those phony asses very > uncomfortable. Sincere TMers who weren't into that fake appearances > nonsense would very much enjoy and appreciate the refreshing > difference that Charlie expressed. > > It's interesting that Barry brought up that he secretly recorded parts > of Charlie's lectures. Now I know who the asshole was who did it. But > what Barry didn't tell you, is that the tapes were doctored [I don't > know if Barry was in on the doctoring] to make it look like Charlie > was contradicting Maharishi. I got that from two insiders who directly > knew about it. This is the extent to which certain people hated > Charlie and it was on this basis that smears about Charlie began to > permeate the TMO via Jarvis' little kingdom and poison the well for > Charlie. > > What's amazing to me is, in spite of the crap he was subjected to, > how well Charlie handled it and how unwaveringly he supported TM and > encouraged TMers throughout the whole latter part of his life until he > got too sick to continue. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > I had a number of heated debates with Charlie devotees. Most of them > didn't > > seem to care whether or not Charlie was representing Maharishi's > teachings. > > They considered Charlie to be a member of the White Brotherhood and > in an > > exalted state of consciousness with direct cognitive or intuitive > access to > > the things he was saying. I think Charlie tried to give them this > > impression. I always argued that he was merely parroting things he > had read > > in esoteric books, but they didn't buy it. I remember one guy > arguing that > > Charlie was undoubtedly enlightened "because he had been meditating 15 > > years." > > I think your comment has some merit, vis-a-vis how 'others' saw > Charlie, I've met a few myself, but that's them, not him. Charlie was > not a perfect being..he had flaws, so who doesn't? He was MMY's > biggest Champion, IMO. Indeed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I had a number of heated debates with Charlie devotees. Most of them didn't > seem to care whether or not Charlie was representing Maharishi's teachings. > They considered Charlie to be a member of the White Brotherhood and in an > exalted state of consciousness with direct cognitive or intuitive access to > the things he was saying. I think Charlie tried to give them this > impression. I always argued that he was merely parroting things he had read > in esoteric books, but they didn't buy it. I remember one guy arguing that > Charlie was undoubtedly enlightened "because he had been meditating 15 > years." In my perspective in those days, the do-as-you're-told follow-the-image crowd in the TMO, mostly represented by Jerry Jarvis and his clique, despised Charlie because Charlie didn't conform to their commonly adopted phony bullshit 'smiles' and 'calmness' image and performance. Charlie DID speak from his own experience while most others just parroted what the party line happened to be at the time. Charlie's presence and manner made those phony asses very uncomfortable. Sincere TMers who weren't into that fake appearances nonsense would very much enjoy and appreciate the refreshing difference that Charlie expressed. It's interesting that Barry brought up that he secretly recorded parts of Charlie's lectures. Now I know who the asshole was who did it. But what Barry didn't tell you, is that the tapes were doctored [I don't know if Barry was in on the doctoring] to make it look like Charlie was contradicting Maharishi. I got that from two insiders who directly knew about it. This is the extent to which certain people hated Charlie and it was on this basis that smears about Charlie began to permeate the TMO via Jarvis' little kingdom and poison the well for Charlie. What's amazing to me is, in spite of the crap he was subjected to, how well Charlie handled it and how unwaveringly he supported TM and encouraged TMers throughout the whole latter part of his life until he got too sick to continue.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda
Yes, thanks. Or if they were human they should have been. - Original Message - From: "Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda > Kirk, I'm so glad you're back on FFL. Your posts > always liven things up! I don't have a clue what > you're talking about here, though. Do you mean that > Swami M. and MMY were starved of human contact or > something?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Mother Teresa's "Dark Night"
Two thing bother me about this (not the post, but the Mother T. story!) First, all this info is from her confessor which is supposed to be private. What business is it of his to publish this stuff? Two, I don't know the context of any of her letters to him. This was her extremely private spiritual struggle, not meant for others to consume for their entertainment. For someone who did not feel the presence of God, she certainly behaved and acted more like a saint than any of us miserable sinners. RIP in the heart of God, Mama T. you deserve it more than anyone else. --- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Time magazine has a startling article by David van > Biema, > "Mother Teresa's Crisis of Faith," examining a new > book > of her correspondence with her various spiritual > directors. Apparently, unknown to anyone but these > correspondents, from the beginning of her mission to > tend the poor in Calcutta, she completely lost any > sense > of the presence of God, except for one five-week > break > early in this period of her life where it returned > temporarily, only to disappear for good. For the > rest of > her life, says van Biema, she was "tormented by > spiritual > darkness." > > That's pretty amazing. How she learned to live with > this > is a fascinating tale: > > http://tinyurl.com/23kudz > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
Now why on earth (!) shouldn't Jesus from Nazareth, now incarnated as > the Master Jesus, residing in Italy for the last 500 or so, go for a > ride in a spaceship from time to time ? Personally I do not find that > strange at all. There is also no reason to doubt that Charlie Lutes > was well aware of these travels. You guys have all this shit mixed up I know because I was Jesus, the real one and it was a fucked existance.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > Who is do.rflex? What's the low down on him? What's the skinny? > > > > Fill me with negativity about do.rflex -- I'm in slurping mode! > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/129912 > > do.rflex is John Manning. He is part of FFL's AMT crowd > (alt.meditation.transcendental, which is where Judy, Barry, I, and > other FFLers used to hang out.) You can get a feeling for who he is >by > browsing his AMT posts on Google Groups: > > http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search Oh NO!! :-0
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
He once said Rosicrucian Cosmo Conception was his bible. - Original Message - From: Rick Archer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 12:14 PM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios I had a number of heated debates with Charlie devotees. Most of them didn’t seem to care whether or not Charlie was representing Maharishi’s teachings. They considered Charlie to be a member of the White Brotherhood and in an exalted state of consciousness with direct cognitive or intuitive access to the things he was saying. I think Charlie tried to give them this impression. I always argued that he was merely parroting things he had read in esoteric books, but they didn’t buy it. I remember one guy arguing that Charlie was undoubtedly enlightened “because he had been meditating 15 years.” No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.9/975 - Release Date: 8/26/2007 9:34 PM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shankara on the Two Paths
> When are you going to read it, Kirk? It's a mantra mala. I read it continually.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda
Nice story and I know it makes me sound horribly perverted but do you think they might have been horny? I mean, one isn't really a tantric if fucking fucks up their passage through existance. - Original Message - From: "Michael Dean Goodman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda >> Janet Luise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> I remember someone telling about that visit when Muktananda & Co were >> at Seelisberg probably Chotti (Charlotte Uhlenbusch Roeder but maybe >> some other German lady) >> – that there were lots of similarities between groups >> Western followers — both groups consuming huge amounts of sweets etc >> That MMY made lots of points with Muktanadas followers by having MUk >> sit HIGHER than MMY because he was a Brahmin. >> Muktanada's followers were chanting the Guru Gita & at some point >> Muktananda himself left while they continued chanting. >> >> MMY commented (& I don't know if this was while the other group was >> there or afterward) that did people notice the quality of their >> chanting was different when Muktananda was present? That Muktananda >> was taking their karma as they chanted >> so that sounds like the Aussie story. >> >> I actually wonder how they happened to BE in Seelisberg. Thanks for >> the story! > > > >> Rick Archer wrote: > >>> I spent the summer of '76 in New Jersey with John Gray, Billy Clayton, > >> and two other guys. Maharishi sent us there to "inspire the local > >> teachers" during the NJ court case. John and Billy visited Muktananda > >> a lot that summer and invited him to visit MMY in Seelisberg. > >> Reportedly, > >> MMY was pissed that they did that on his behalf without consulting him, > >> but when Muktananda and his entourage showed up, MMY made the best of > >> it. >> >>> After Muktananda left, MMY met with the folks in Seelisberg and >>> reportedly > >> asked them some questions that implied he was concerned that their > >> devo- > >> tion to him might have been swayed by their exposure to another saint. > >> I > >> wasn't there and can't relate anything more extensive than that, > >> although > >> I later saw a videotape of MMY's meeting with Muktananda. > > > Dear Fairfield Lifers, > > I was there at this famous meeting in 1976 between Maharishi and Swami > Muktananda. Parts of the information in the 2 e-mails above seems in- > accurate; here's what I remember: > > Swami Muktananda was traveling on tour throughout Europe with a large > entourage of his followers. A meeting was arranged with Maharishi in > the big meeting room in Seelisberg where Maharishi held evening know- > ledge meetings for the international staff - in the beautiful gold > meeting hall that you see in many videos. > > Muktananda and his entourage were the guests of honor that evening, > and the meeting was, in essence, turned over to them as I remember. > Maharishi was seated on the stage on the central couch, as usual. > Swami Muktananda was seated on another couch to Maharishi's right > (a place of great honor - the teacher often is on the right when > he sits with a student, as in a TM initiation). Neither was higher > or lower than the other. (Muktananda seemed quite happy with the > seating arrangement, and didn't express verbally or physically any > desire to change it - till the end - but we're getting ahead of > the story!) > > The audience was the entire international staff, 108's, faculty, > VIPs, etc. - plus the participants on my course (a year-long, ex- > perimental course where Maharishi was giving us a lot of personal > attention). He specifically invited our course to this special > meeting - sent a bus all the way around Lake Lucerne and had us > travel over an hour to get there, which messed up our routine and > only happened on very special occasions (celebrations, special an- > nouncements, guests, etc.). So Maharishi knew that something spe- > cial was up - Swami Muktananda did not arrive as any kind of sur- > prise. > > That evening, to begin the meeting, Maharishi said some brief, but > very uplifting and honoring remarks about Swami Muktananda. Maha- > rishi then asked Swami Muktananda to speak, which he did, through > his interpreter (a young woman), and during that talk he spoke > highly of Maharishi. He also spoke quite forcefully about the ig- > norance and superficiality of Western science when compared with > deep, vedic knowledge. > > After he spoke, Swami Muktananda and his followers chanted the Guru > Gita (which is a part of the Skanda Purana, and contains some sig- > nificant components of the TM puja ceremony). > > During all of this, all throughout his talking or chanting, Swami > Muktananda did what he does with his students - had them come sit > right near him for a minute or two, and then sent them back to > their seat in the audience and replaced them with another of his > students, apparently giving them p
[FairfieldLife] Mother Teresa's "Dark Night"
Time magazine has a startling article by David van Biema, "Mother Teresa's Crisis of Faith," examining a new book of her correspondence with her various spiritual directors. Apparently, unknown to anyone but these correspondents, from the beginning of her mission to tend the poor in Calcutta, she completely lost any sense of the presence of God, except for one five-week break early in this period of her life where it returned temporarily, only to disappear for good. For the rest of her life, says van Biema, she was "tormented by spiritual darkness." That's pretty amazing. How she learned to live with this is a fascinating tale: http://tinyurl.com/23kudz
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
But thanks
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Recycling Enlightenment
Actually, it's true, one really changes with a good move, at first until the shit builds up again.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Recycling Enlightenment
> -Original Message- > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bhairitu > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 1:21 PM > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Recycling Enlightenment > > So how do you legally dispose of batteries? > > > Up until recently you had to take them to a center run by the waste > disposal company which is not very convenient. You also have to take > other toxic disposables there such as fluorescent lights, paints, etc. > But the stores that sell batteries like drug stores, Radio Shack, etc. > have begun to put some boxes out where you can turn old batteries in. I'll check to see if Wal-Mart has done this and ask them to do so if they haven't. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.9/975 - Release Date: 8/26/2007 9:34 PM To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > > > I'm wondering what value Charlie Lutes tapes have for most of us > > > here. > > > > > > I think just about everyone has posted something negative about > > > his prognostications -- my contribution was that I personally > > > heard him predict that in a couple years (1974 at the time) there > > > would be a "finding of the space ship Jesus used to come to earth > > > parked inside the pyramid." When I personally asked him about > > > this prediction a decade later, he denied ever saying it. > > > > [snip] > > > > I knew Charlie personally for 20 years. You're lying that he made > > such a claim about Jesus in a spaceship. > > Hell hath no fury like someone who's been taken > in by a charlatan for 20 years. :-) > > I'm just going to sit back and enjoy Edg taking > John to the cleaners over this one. Unlike him, > I can't claim to be omniscient about what Edg > heard and didn't hear. :-) > > What I can be more than a little certain about > is Charlie's tendency to lie with a straight > face. There was a time when International Staff > was getting reports of odd things he was reported > to be saying in his Friday night meetings -- stuff > about space aliens and Jesus reappearing, etc. So > the Regional Office assigned me to go to a few of > his talks to find out. > > I did, because Charlie's on a Friday night was the > best pickup spot in town. :-) Charlie talked a blue > streak in those meetings, about all sorts of stuff > that was clearly "off the program," and worse, he > *never made a distinction between what was stuff > he read in books or made up himself and what > Maharishi taught*. He just lumped it all together, > so the people in the audience were left with the > impression that it all came from Maharishi. > > I reported back what I had heard, and even gave > them tape recordings I had made on my little mini- > recorder. When asked a little later by one of the > Regional Coordinators whether he'd said these things, > Charlie denied ever having said a word of it. Where- > upon the RC played Charlie the tape. Charlie supposedly > (I wasn't there at the time, thank god, or I'd prob- > ably still have an astral Charlie on my ass from beyond > the grave) stormed out of the room red-faced. > > Did Charlie Lutes lie? Like a rug. > > But then so do most human beings, especially those > who lie to themselves a lot. > > I now leave John in the loving hands of Edg, whom > he has called a liar. May John R.I.P. :-) Your long term reputation for self-serving bullshit precedes you Barry. And your attempts to outdo those who see through your elaborately constructed ego trip are transparent. You're you're own worst enemy. After all of your varied 'experiences' which you hold as a support to your act, you're still a fraud. I'm not the only one who sees it clearly.
[FairfieldLife] Re: GULLIBLE FOOL IS A NAZI
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All that gullible_fool fool did was crush a > cockroach underfoot, one that had wandered > into an otherwise clean and pleasant kitchen > and started leaving its stink and dis-ease > everywhere. The only problem with his action > was that it wasn't permanent enough. > > off_world has now posted 43 times this week, > and is being allowed to get away with acting > like a 6-year-old schoolyard bully acting out > after one of his victims punched him in the > nose and made him cry in front of the other > kids he's consistently tried to intimidate. I > say step on him again, and this time wiggle > your foot a couple of times to be sure. You're really experiencing a lot of anxiety about your move to Spain, aren't you? The unpleasantness quotient of most of your posts so far this week has been *extremely* high, even for you, one hate-filled post after another. Were you planning to leave all your Bad Stuff back in France, perchance, like you hoped you'd be able to leave it back in the U.S.? And now that you've realized you took it with you across the Atlantic, did you think maybe it would be different this time, and if you could just get away from France, you'd be really rid of it? Is that why you're in such a tizzy about which of your material things you're going to take and which you're going to leave behind? Is that your mind's disguise for your anxiety about whether you're going to be able to leave your psychic Bad Stuff behind? But down deep, where a little tiny piece of you is still in touch with reality, you're afraid that ain't gonna happen (and it ain't), so you're taking your terror out on all your "enemies" here.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Who is do.rflex? What's the low down on him? What's the skinny? > > Fill me with negativity about do.rflex -- I'm in slurping mode! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/129912 do.rflex is John Manning. He is part of FFL's AMT crowd (alt.meditation.transcendental, which is where Judy, Barry, I, and other FFLers used to hang out.) You can get a feeling for who he is by browsing his AMT posts on Google Groups: http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > I had a number of heated debates with Charlie devotees. > > Most of them didn't seem to care whether or not Charlie > > was representing Maharishi's teachings. They considered > > Charlie to be a member of the White Brotherhood and in an > > exalted state of consciousness with direct cognitive or > > intuitive access to the things he was saying. I think > > Charlie tried to give them this impression. I always > > argued that he was merely parroting things he had read > > in esoteric books, but they didn't buy it. I remember > > one guy arguing that Charlie was undoubtedly enlightened > > "because he had been meditating 15 years." > > Let's face it...after years of promises and > no delivery on them, TMers were just prime > sucker bait. Charlie had a personal following long before neganaughtery became the order of the day. They'd flock around *anyone* > who pretended to be knowledgeable or who > would tell them Woo Woo stuff they couldn't > get from Maharishi or the regular TM teachers. You realize you just contradicted yourself here, right? > Just look at the numbers > of TMers who are impressed by someone who can > zap them with a bit of minor shakti. After > years and years of nothing, they look upon > even the smallest something as if it's mean- > ingful and the best thing since sliced bread. What numbers would those be, Barry? > And, before anyone comes rushing in to accuse > me of "TM bashing" again You're TM- and TMer-bashing again. , this phenomenon is > NOT limited to TM and TMers. It's across the > board, in almost every spiritual trip I've > ever encountered. People bring their desires > to see and hear flashy stuff to the ball with > them, and *of course* the teachers dance with > them and tell them exactly what they want to > hear. Except that above you claimed the TMers were after the "Woo Woo stuff [TMers] *couldn't get* from Maharishi or the regular TM teachers" (my emphasis). And you go on to make the same assertion: > And [the TMers] knew that they > couldn't get this stuff from Maharishi or the > "straight" TM teachers. So they flocked around > Charlie because he made them feel all superior > and special. Plus which, you're contradicting one of your most-often-used mantras, about how TMers were taken in by MMY because *he made them feel all superior and special*. Now, in the interests of bashing Charlie and, of course, TMers again, the TMers flocked to Charlie because MMY *didn't* make them feel all superior and special, according to you. You're trying to bash TMers, TM, MMY, and Charlie all at once with the same stick, and you've ended up in one of your usual rhetorical muddles. *Sounds* good, but it doesn't make any sense. And people eat it up, because it makes > them feel all special to know things that > lesser, not-as-special-as-we-are humans don't. Did you ever ask yourself whether you might be projecting this tendency on others because it's how *you* feel, but not necessarily how everybody else feels? I mean, it sure looks to me as though you're describing your own repeated boasting about what you experienced with Lenz: "I saw levitation and golden light and all kinds of other neat stuff and you didn't, nyah-nyah!"
[FairfieldLife] Re: Clouds over Kalki
I know several people who give the Oneness Blessing and took leyham. They both told me it was used as a purgative and they physically purged quite a lot from their bodies. It was not particularly pleasant but were glad they did it. On my 21 day process it was not given. I went to a pharmacy in Chennai but could not find it or I would have used it too. MAny of us liked Freddy and still do but he had a falling out with the Oneness movement and after trying wit h him several times he just had to go his own way. My first deep witnessing experience came after a weekend seminar wit h him and Madeline. It was quite fantastic and made me eager for more. I then went to India. The dasas(servants) are fantastic. It is not like the TM movements higher ups. These are truly people there to serve and all have gone thru much personal growth themselves. It is quite devoid of the spiritual hierarchy seen in spiritual movements and is also devoid of the "shoulds". Much growth has occurred these past 2 years for me. I continue my daily meditation twice a day for an hour each time and find it often deep and moresatisfying than ever before. Other valuable changes have occurred for which I am grateful however I am not in need of someone to direct my life as t o what I should do. I take advice from the saints much the way I take advice from a stockbroker or my auto mechanic. I evaluate it and if it suits my agenda I accept it, if not I dont. It is for me much theame way I read this chat group. Most of what is on here is irrelevent and once in a while a pearl comes thru. Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > > > I'm wondering what value Charlie Lutes tapes have for most of us > here. > > > > > > I think just about everyone has posted something negative about his > > > prognostications -- my contribution was that I personally heard him > > > predict that in a couple years (1974 at the time) there would be a > > > "finding of the space ship Jesus used to come to earth parked inside > > > the pyramid." When I personally asked him about this prediction a > > > decade later, he denied ever saying it. > > > > [snip] > > > > I knew Charlie personally for 20 years. You're lying that he made such > > a claim about Jesus in a spaceship. > > Jesus in a space ship? First time I've heard of it, and anyway who > cares! Charlie's contribution far outweighs any off color comments he > *may* have made, this particular allegation would be *atypical*, his > lectures speak for themselves! Now why on earth (!) shouldn't Jesus from Nazareth, now incarnated as the Master Jesus, residing in Italy for the last 500 or so, go for a ride in a spaceship from time to time ? Personally I do not find that strange at all. There is also no reason to doubt that Charlie Lutes was well aware of these travels.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Hell exothermic or endothermic?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > TurquoiseB wrote: > > Bonus Question: Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or > > endothermic (absorbs heat)? > > > The answer to this is simple: to obtain Holy Water, you > just boil the hell out of it. > > > An old favorite story reappeared in my Inbox today, > > so I thought I'd share it here: > > > > The following is an actual question given on a University > > of Washington Chemistry Mid term. > > > > Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using > > Boyle's Law (gas cools when it expands and heats when it > > is compressed) or some variant. > > > > One student, however, wrote the following: > > > > First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing > > in time. So we need to know the rate at which souls are > > moving into Hell and the rate at which they are leaving. > > I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets > > to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are > > leaving. As for how many souls are entering Hell, let's > > look at the different religions that exist in the world > > today. > > > > Most of these religions state that if you are not a > > member of their religion, you will go to Hell. Since > > there is more than one of these religions and since > > people do not belong to more than one religion, we can > > project that all souls go to Hell. > > > > With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect > > the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially. > > Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell > > because Boyle's Law states that in order for the > > temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the > > volume of Hell has to expand proportionately as souls > > are added. > > > > This gives two possibilities: > > > > 1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate > > at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pres- > > sure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose. > > > > 2. If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase > > of souls in Hell,then the temperature and pressure will > > drop until Hell freezes over. > > > > So which is it? > > > > If we accept the postulate given to me by Teresa during > > my freshman year that, "It will be a cold day in Hell > > before I sleep with you," and take into account the fact > > that I slept with her last night, then number two must > > be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and > > has already frozen over. The corollary of this theory > > is that since Hell has frozen over, it follows that it > > is not accepting any more souls and is therefore, extinct, > > leaving only Heaven, thereby proving the existence of a > > divine being which explains why, last night, Teresa kept > > shouting "Oh my God." > > > > > > THIS STUDENT RECEIVED AN A+ > > > Barry, I've read this story before. But I still have a laugh reading it. On a serious note, I believe this story has a distant similarity to the rasa dance of Krishna with the gopis. Also, it is commonly understood among Christians that there was a war in heaven between the good angels and Lucifer's cohorts. When the bad angels lost, they were condemned to stay in Hell. However, in an interview by Bill Moyers with Campbell (forgot his first name), the famous researcher of symbolic meanings, the two discussed that Lucifer's motives may not have been dastardly as tradition portrays. They postulated that Lucifer may have acted out of love. How can this be so? >From my own understanding, Lucifer was one of the brightest angels in the heavenly realm at one time. As such, he must have had the super intelligence to foresee the future. Based on his intuition, he foresaw that a realm devoid of heavenly existence would have to be created. Thus, he sacrificed his heavenly existence for Love to be in Hell. (it sounds irrational as I write this paragraph. But so be it!) There's another angle to this story. But that's for another day.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Recycling Enlightenment
Rick Archer wrote: > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of authfriend > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 12:44 PM > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Recycling Enlightenment > > > > --- In HYPERLINK > "mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com"FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> If you put stuff on the sidewalk for free it usually justs >> sits there until the cops come along and tell you to move it. >> I know my neighbors tried that and it didn't work. I often see >> people putting out old computers and monitors for free trying to >> avoid the $25 charge per unit for disposal. Even throwing AAA >> batteries in the garbage can get you a prison sentence. >> > > So how do you legally dispose of batteries? > Up until recently you had to take them to a center run by the waste disposal company which is not very convenient. You also have to take other toxic disposables there such as fluorescent lights, paints, etc. But the stores that sell batteries like drug stores, Radio Shack, etc. have begun to put some boxes out where you can turn old batteries in. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: snip and get this Burger King crown too!" tapes. > > > > Edg > > > I appreciate the tapes, both for the quality of Charlie's voice, > combined with what he says. I am not looking for predictions. > > As for your remaining litany, I am sure that you are aware that no > matter how closely you peer at and examine your bondage, it will not > magically transform itself into freedom. Though you may be able to > revalidate its unremitting darkness, and that can be helpful.:-) I still think getting a checking would be of great help :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Hindu Temple in Atlanta
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There's a short Barrack Obama ad first. > > Subject: New Hindu Temple in Atlanta My first thought upon seeing the temple was, "Wow, that looks like the Swaminarayan Mandir in London." And, sure enough, the Georgia temple was put up by the same organization. Petra and I were married in the Swaminarayan temple in London, a few years before they built their new gleaming white temple. The building we were married in had been a factory, and the architect who did the redesign into a temple was Deepak Bakshi, who moved to Fairfield and was our architect for this house when we built it back in 1993-94. He and his wife have the Mohan Delights restaurant on the square.
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Inspiring Visit to Baba Muktananda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Janet Luise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I remember someone telling about that visit when Muktananda & Co were > > at Seelisberg probably Chotti (Charlotte Uhlenbusch Roeder but maybe > > some other German lady) > > that there were lots of similarities between groups > > Western followers both groups consuming huge amounts of sweets etc > > That MMY made lots of points with Muktanadas followers by having MUk > > sit HIGHER than MMY because he was a Brahmin. > > Muktanada's followers were chanting the Guru Gita & at some point > > Muktananda himself left while they continued chanting. > > > > MMY commented (& I don't know if this was while the other group was > > there or afterward) that did people notice the quality of their > > chanting was different when Muktananda was present? That Muktananda > > was taking their karma as they chanted > > so that sounds like the Aussie story. > > > > I actually wonder how they happened to BE in Seelisberg. Thanks for > > the story! > > > >> Rick Archer wrote: > > >> I spent the summer of '76 in New Jersey with John Gray, Billy Clayton, > >> and two other guys. Maharishi sent us there to "inspire the local > >> teachers" during the NJ court case. John and Billy visited Muktananda > >> a lot that summer and invited him to visit MMY in Seelisberg. Reportedly, > >> MMY was pissed that they did that on his behalf without consulting him, > >> but when Muktananda and his entourage showed up, MMY made the best of it. > > > >> After Muktananda left, MMY met with the folks in Seelisberg and reportedly > >> asked them some questions that implied he was concerned that their devo- > >> tion to him might have been swayed by their exposure to another saint. I > >> wasn't there and can't relate anything more extensive than that, although > >> I later saw a videotape of MMY's meeting with Muktananda. > > > Dear Fairfield Lifers, > > I was there at this famous meeting in 1976 between Maharishi and Swami > Muktananda. Parts of the information in the 2 e-mails above seems in- > accurate; here's what I remember: > > Swami Muktananda was traveling on tour throughout Europe with a large > entourage of his followers. A meeting was arranged with Maharishi in > the big meeting room in Seelisberg where Maharishi held evening know- > ledge meetings for the international staff - in the beautiful gold > meeting hall that you see in many videos. > > Muktananda and his entourage were the guests of honor that evening, > and the meeting was, in essence, turned over to them as I remember. > Maharishi was seated on the stage on the central couch, as usual. > Swami Muktananda was seated on another couch to Maharishi's right > (a place of great honor - the teacher often is on the right when > he sits with a student, as in a TM initiation). Neither was higher > or lower than the other. (Muktananda seemed quite happy with the > seating arrangement, and didn't express verbally or physically any > desire to change it - till the end - but we're getting ahead of > the story!) > > The audience was the entire international staff, 108's, faculty, > VIPs, etc. - plus the participants on my course (a year-long, ex- > perimental course where Maharishi was giving us a lot of personal > attention). He specifically invited our course to this special > meeting - sent a bus all the way around Lake Lucerne and had us > travel over an hour to get there, which messed up our routine and > only happened on very special occasions (celebrations, special an- > nouncements, guests, etc.). So Maharishi knew that something spe- > cial was up - Swami Muktananda did not arrive as any kind of sur- > prise. > > That evening, to begin the meeting, Maharishi said some brief, but > very uplifting and honoring remarks about Swami Muktananda. Maha- > rishi then asked Swami Muktananda to speak, which he did, through > his interpreter (a young woman), and during that talk he spoke > highly of Maharishi. He also spoke quite forcefully about the ig- > norance and superficiality of Western science when compared with > deep, vedic knowledge. > > After he spoke, Swami Muktananda and his followers chanted the Guru > Gita (which is a part of the Skanda Purana, and contains some sig- > nificant components of the TM puja ceremony). > > During all of this, all throughout his talking or chanting, Swami > Muktananda did what he does with his students - had them come sit > right near him for a minute or two, and then sent them back to > their seat in the audience and replaced them with another of his > students, apparently giving them powerful darshan. > > Basically, Maharishi turned over the program for the evening to > Swami Muktananda, and sat quietly, often with eyes closed, after > his own opening words. He didn't interact on the surface (make > remarks, do commentary, exchange looks,
[FairfieldLife] More why Gurus meet- also more about Kalki
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Carsten Dieter Rietz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Namaste Swami-G and Group > Namaste and Maha Shanti OM > > > I was with the Oneness Movement for three years and went for courses on the > Oneness University in Chennai three times. The last time was in January this > year. 0- ok - and what have you paid for these courses if this may be asked ? > > I have never heard of Leyham, but I know the "Freddy N" who is quoted. He > was the first westerner who became a devotee of Bhagavan and he was the one > who brought deeksha to Europe. He travelled around Europe, held satsangs > where he told that people would get enlightened after a few deekshas. Later > he said that people would get enlightened if they went for the 21 day > process in India. He build up the European network, but developed some kind > of megalomania and was kicked out of the movement after several westerns had > complained to Oneness University that he was being arrogant and hurting > people. After this he has spread a lot of nasty rumours about deeksha, > Bhagavan and the movement. He has even made a homepage with this purpose. I > wouldn't trust him. He claims to be enlightened, but are so full of hatred > and bitterness towards the movement he helped to build up himself. I > wouldn't trust anything he said. I think he is full of s 0- so in this it appears that Realization was never recieved by him at all. Since he was with Kalki longer than anyone this is suspicious and of course it could be understood the egoic nonsence that would arise and also perhaps a feeling of betrayal due to having been promised something that never came. > And so is the person saying that people are brainwashed and get psychotic. > There are so many paranoid people in the spiritual and new age communities > who have all these conspiracy theories about this and that. I have even read > (I think it was on Freddy N's homepage) someone who said that Bhagavan had > come from outer space to brainwash people! 0- this is why one has one to one contact with the seekers and doesn't give Diksha to those who are unbalanced. Just because one comes with money in hand - Does not mean that they are ready for a specific path. To make things based on monies versus heart - mind - and balance is a dangerous precident. > My truth about the Oneness University and the movement is that it helped me > a lot, but that it was time for me to move on in May this year. 0- am glad it has aided your path and you are not a casualty. Yes have heard that some have come away and felt that they have gotten benefit from there. > I know 30 other deeksha givers here in Copenhagen and have meet so many > other deeksha givers from all over the world and except for two who feel > cheated, I think we all agree that the movement has really helped us and > that we all feel much better, more happy than before. Even the people who > are in great debt because they had to go to the expensive courses don't > regret it. 0- this is a personal assesment as to whether it was of value or not. am glad that most are feeling it was beneficial. have spoken only with a few that have been - a couple of them were very convinced of their attainments but watched them fall away into modes that were anything but near to what they were proclaiming was in place. will just say it that way. have met another that seems to have gotten something from there but is still on the path working on going forward. would like to find out more about these ones that are reported to be in some space that they need to be continually taken care of - as there is something that is odd in this. > > Because of deeksha I have gone trough a major inner cleansing which really > helps me to day. I'm a much happier, tranquil person today. Before receiving > deekshas and getting involved in the movement I was a pretty angry and > restless person, who often went into depressive thoughts. Most of my anger > and restlessness has gone and even though I sometimes go into negative > thinking, it's MUCH less frequent than before and I have much more joy and > love in my life. I can thank deeksha and the movement for that. 0- so this is a very good report. am glad to get something this positive back about the movement. > I left the movement because I want more than just ordinary contentment and > because I didn't feel it was honest of me to give deeksha to people, when I > didn't believe totally in the message. 0- ordinary contentment is far from Realization. Am glad you are not giving deeksha (energy shaktipat) to any due to realizing that you aren't believing in the message. Also one may only give energy to the degree as to their clarity within themselves. > My problem with the movement is that we were promised enlightenment, but > only got a more tranquil and happy ego! For some people this is enough, they > don't want transcendence. But I want more than that! 0- am glad you see that there is m
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Recycling Enlightenment
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 12:44 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Recycling Enlightenment --- In HYPERLINK "mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com"FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you put stuff on the sidewalk for free it usually justs > sits there until the cops come along and tell you to move it. > I know my neighbors tried that and it didn't work. I often see > people putting out old computers and monitors for free trying to > avoid the $25 charge per unit for disposal. Even throwing AAA > batteries in the garbage can get you a prison sentence. So how do you legally dispose of batteries? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.9/975 - Release Date: 8/26/2007 9:34 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Abdul Rahman said his large family lived in 15 houses. He supports > > them with his military pension and the help of the government of > > Ajman, one of seven emirates that comprise the UAE, which includes > > the Gulf trade and tourism hub of Dubai. > > > > Islam allows men to marry up to four women at a time, though most > > marry only one. The UAE is a Muslim country but is home to migrants > > from around the world. > > > UAE is one of the United States shining star in the Middle East. > They have mucho oil reserves, and I am sure all of that is in cahoots > with the Bushies and their peers. > Oil feeds the greed of the stock market, as well as drugs, weapons > deals, and all other manner of greed and death. > Sure the skyscrapers look impressive being so tall. > Just more phallic symbols. > While the rest of the people slaves to these demonic entities; > They continue to mock everything that spirituality teaches. > Some of the Arabs have 100's of Mercedes Benz. > Good for Mercedes stock holders, but not much good for anyone else. > How much more greedy can humans get? > How much more lustful. > How much more deluded with the lower god of money? > This is just one story in a nightmare of hell on earth. > Who is running things on earth right now. > Sometimes I am wondering if the light will overcome the dark as it > gets more and more obnoxious., Robert, we understand your point. But we cannot just criticize the system in this one particular country. IMHO, the attitude is pervasive throughout the world. Even here in the USA, one can find versions of this story. We are not allowed to marry four wives at a time, but we can get married to a person one at a time without any limit. We can easily blame it to human nature's predilection to indulge in the senses. However, we have to allow the concept of individual freedom to be available to all even if they hurt themselves because of mistakes or "ignorance". Further, we can harp about the lust of humans that drive injustices in the world. Nonethless, we have to accept that there must be something good for having a sex drive. Otherwise, what would be the incentive for humans to propagate? IMHO, this is the reason why Vyasa wrote an anecdote in the Srimad Bhagavatam about Krishna's rasa dance with the gopis. The dance is really more of an allegory of the divine's enjoyment with the human condition, particularly females. In this case, the females would represent the desires of humans while living here on earth. So, the message is that desires are not intrinsically bad.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I knew Charlie personally for 20 years. You're lying that he made such > a claim about Jesus in a spaceship. I heard Charlie say exactly what I say he said at the Berkeley TM Center in front of hundreds of people who paid $15.00 for the lecture. dolrflex, are you still going to say I'm a liar when there's probably hundreds of folks I could get to testify to the same statements I've made? If so, tell me how deep your pockets are. If deep enough, I'll sue your ass. Anyone else want some of this action? Anyone else in Berkeley that day? Who is do.rflex? What's the low down on him? What's the skinny? Fill me with negativity about do.rflex -- I'm in slurping mode! Edg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Recycling Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you put stuff on the sidewalk for free it usually justs > sits there until the cops come along and tell you to move it. > I know my neighbors tried that and it didn't work. I often see > people putting out old computers and monitors for free trying to > avoid the $25 charge per unit for disposal. Even throwing AAA > batteries in the garbage can get you a prison sentence. > I had a couple bags of clothes to give away and there is a > Goodwill van at the top of the hill. Problem is the van is > usually full and the attendant (who is there so people don't > just leave stuff outside anyway) has no idea when an empty > one will show up. This won't help with dead batteries or anything else that's completely unusable, but there's a growing movement called "freecycling" or "freesharing" via the Web; Yahoo has a bunch of local groups where you can post about something you no longer need and somebody who wants it can contact you privately and make arrangements to come pick it up. I've gotten rid of a bunch of stuff I didn't need that way (and it was lovely to meet the folks who took it). The whole idea is to avoid putting more stuff into the landfills and dumps, and give items that are still useful a second life. One guy regularly responds to posts for used computer equipment of all kinds; he picks it up, refurbishes it, and donates it to schools and senior centers. Most groups have policies in place to foil resellers who try to get in on the action. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freecycling http://www.freecycle.org/ http://www.freesharing.org/ http://freesharing.org/sites_like_us.php There are also usually thrift shops and other charities that will accept used clothing in decent shape. You have to watch out for these, though, because some of them bundle it up and sell it in bulk to entrepreneurs who send it overseas to be sold, where it sometimes cripples the local clothing industries. So be sure you give it to a place that's going to sell it or give it away locally. Most places will give you a receipt for tax purposes.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Let's face it...after years of promises and > no delivery on them, TMers were just prime > sucker bait. They'd flock around *anyone* > who pretended to be knowledgeable or who > would tell them Woo Woo stuff they couldn't > get from Maharishi or the regular TM teachers. > > Spice up the Woo Woo stories with a liberal > dash of "You're special because you're here > hearing all this special knowledge," and you've > got a sure-fire mini-cult on your hands. And in > my opinion that's exactly what Charlie wanted, > and got. > > It all comes back to my rap the other day on > Not Easily Impressed. People who *are* easily > impressed by a good line of bullshit straight > from a Theosophical Society book are just > sucker bait waiting for a sucker to take > advantage of them. Just look at the numbers > of TMers who are impressed by someone who can > zap them with a bit of minor shakti. After > years and years of nothing, they look upon > even the smallest something as if it's mean- > ingful and the best thing since sliced bread. > > And, before anyone comes rushing in to accuse > me of "TM bashing" again, this phenomenon is > NOT limited to TM and TMers. It's across the > board, in almost every spiritual trip I've > ever encountered. People bring their desires > to see and hear flashy stuff to the ball with > them, and *of course* the teachers dance with > them and tell them exactly what they want to > hear. And people eat it up, because it makes > them feel all special to know things that > lesser, not-as-special-as-we-are humans don't. > > Why do you think Nabby like Benny Creme? Same > thing, in spades. Tell people they're hearing > the "real stuff," directly from the disembodied > Great Savior Of Mankind Who Never Shows Up, and > they pee all over themselves with "specialness." > > Charlie Lutes was just a guy who had read a lot > of silly shit, that's all. He laid it on thick > because the people in the audiences *wanted* > him to lay it on thick. And they knew that they > couldn't get this stuff from Maharishi or the > "straight" TM teachers. So they flocked around > Charlie because he made them feel all superior > and special. > > And clearly, they still do, because believing > that Charlie was just an ordinary guy who could > sling a line of Someone Else's Bullshit pretty > well would mean that maybe they *aren't* so > special after all. And that's unthinkable. The peanut gallery is never short on comments
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I had a number of heated debates with Charlie devotees. > Most of them didn't seem to care whether or not Charlie > was representing Maharishi's teachings. They considered > Charlie to be a member of the White Brotherhood and in an > exalted state of consciousness with direct cognitive or > intuitive access to the things he was saying. I think > Charlie tried to give them this impression. I always > argued that he was merely parroting things he had read > in esoteric books, but they didn't buy it. I remember > one guy arguing that Charlie was undoubtedly enlightened > "because he had been meditating 15 years." Let's face it...after years of promises and no delivery on them, TMers were just prime sucker bait. They'd flock around *anyone* who pretended to be knowledgeable or who would tell them Woo Woo stuff they couldn't get from Maharishi or the regular TM teachers. Spice up the Woo Woo stories with a liberal dash of "You're special because you're here hearing all this special knowledge," and you've got a sure-fire mini-cult on your hands. And in my opinion that's exactly what Charlie wanted, and got. It all comes back to my rap the other day on Not Easily Impressed. People who *are* easily impressed by a good line of bullshit straight from a Theosophical Society book are just sucker bait waiting for a sucker to take advantage of them. Just look at the numbers of TMers who are impressed by someone who can zap them with a bit of minor shakti. After years and years of nothing, they look upon even the smallest something as if it's mean- ingful and the best thing since sliced bread. And, before anyone comes rushing in to accuse me of "TM bashing" again, this phenomenon is NOT limited to TM and TMers. It's across the board, in almost every spiritual trip I've ever encountered. People bring their desires to see and hear flashy stuff to the ball with them, and *of course* the teachers dance with them and tell them exactly what they want to hear. And people eat it up, because it makes them feel all special to know things that lesser, not-as-special-as-we-are humans don't. Why do you think Nabby like Benny Creme? Same thing, in spades. Tell people they're hearing the "real stuff," directly from the disembodied Great Savior Of Mankind Who Never Shows Up, and they pee all over themselves with "specialness." Charlie Lutes was just a guy who had read a lot of silly shit, that's all. He laid it on thick because the people in the audiences *wanted* him to lay it on thick. And they knew that they couldn't get this stuff from Maharishi or the "straight" TM teachers. So they flocked around Charlie because he made them feel all superior and special. And clearly, they still do, because believing that Charlie was just an ordinary guy who could sling a line of Someone Else's Bullshit pretty well would mean that maybe they *aren't* so special after all. And that's unthinkable.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I had a number of heated debates with Charlie devotees. Most of them didn't > seem to care whether or not Charlie was representing Maharishi's teachings. > They considered Charlie to be a member of the White Brotherhood and in an > exalted state of consciousness with direct cognitive or intuitive access to > the things he was saying. I think Charlie tried to give them this > impression. I always argued that he was merely parroting things he had read > in esoteric books, but they didn't buy it. I remember one guy arguing that > Charlie was undoubtedly enlightened "because he had been meditating 15 > years." I think your comment has some merit, vis-a-vis how 'others' saw Charlie, I've met a few myself, but that's them, not him. Charlie was not a perfect being..he had flaws, so who doesn't? He was MMY's biggest Champion, IMO.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
On Aug 27, 2007, at 11:38 AM, Duveyoung wrote: I'm wondering what value Charlie Lutes tapes have for most of us here. I think just about everyone has posted something negative about his prognostications -- my contribution was that I personally heard him predict that in a couple years (1974 at the time) there would be a "finding of the space ship Jesus used to come to earth parked inside the pyramid." When I personally asked him about this prediction a decade later, he denied ever saying it. The value of both the CL and the MMY tapes is the interesting insight gained from the perspective of time which has passed. For me, both sound like hucksters fudgin' their way thru a script they barely knew--as in the 'Mahesh teaches about the chakras' lecture. 30 years ago I would've been rapt with delight at every word. Now it just sounds like schlock to me. I did have the strange idea of redoing my driveway in concrete after listening to ole Charlie though.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
I had a number of heated debates with Charlie devotees. Most of them didn’t seem to care whether or not Charlie was representing Maharishi’s teachings. They considered Charlie to be a member of the White Brotherhood and in an exalted state of consciousness with direct cognitive or intuitive access to the things he was saying. I think Charlie tried to give them this impression. I always argued that he was merely parroting things he had read in esoteric books, but they didn’t buy it. I remember one guy arguing that Charlie was undoubtedly enlightened “because he had been meditating 15 years.” No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.9/975 - Release Date: 8/26/2007 9:34 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hell hath no fury like someone who's been taken > in by a charlatan for 20 years. :-) > > I'm just going to sit back and enjoy Edg taking > John to the cleaners over this one. Unlike him, > I can't claim to be omniscient about what Edg > heard and didn't hear. :-) > > What I can be more than a little certain about > is Charlie's tendency to lie with a straight > face. There was a time when International Staff > was getting reports of odd things he was reported > to be saying in his Friday night meetings -- stuff > about space aliens and Jesus reappearing, etc. So > the Regional Office assigned me to go to a few of > his talks to find out. > > I did, because Charlie's on a Friday night was the > best pickup spot in town. How would you know since you only visited a few times? Please don't embellish your otherwise good commentary! And, btw, I never got 'lucky' at SRM..I tried! I know a buddy of mine did, but I digress. :-) Charlie talked a blue > streak in those meetings, about all sorts of stuff > that was clearly "off the program," and worse, he > *never made a distinction between what was stuff > he read in books or made up himself and what > Maharishi taught*. He just lumped it all together, > so the people in the audience were left with the > impression that it all came from Maharishi. That's because he wasn't a programmed idiot like some 'on' the 'program'.you dig? Truth is ONE amigo! snort! > I reported back what I had heard, and even gave > them tape recordings I had made on my little mini- > recorder. You little traitor...and a spy to boot, how low! >When asked a little later by one of the > Regional Coordinators whether he'd said these things, > Charlie denied ever having said a word of it. Where- > upon the RC played Charlie the tape. Charlie supposedly > (I wasn't there at the time, thank god, or I'd prob- > ably still have an astral Charlie on my ass from beyond > the grave) stormed out of the room red-faced. Ha, ha...good story, 'supposedly' would be the operative word here, Si? > Did Charlie Lutes lie? Like a rug. Where'd you get that line? > But then so do most human beings, especially those > who lie to themselves a lot. Like yourself? > I now leave John in the loving hands of Edg, whom > he has called a liar. May John R.I.P. :- Do I hear 'buffoon'?
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > I'm wondering what value Charlie Lutes tapes have for most of us here. > > > > I think just about everyone has posted something negative about his > > prognostications -- my contribution was that I personally heard him > > predict that in a couple years (1974 at the time) there would be a > > "finding of the space ship Jesus used to come to earth parked inside > > the pyramid." When I personally asked him about this prediction a > > decade later, he denied ever saying it. > > [snip] > > I knew Charlie personally for 20 years. You're lying that he made such > a claim about Jesus in a spaceship. Jesus in a space ship? First time I've heard of it, and anyway who cares! Charlie's contribution far outweighs any off color comments he *may* have made, this particular allegation would be *atypical*, his lectures speak for themselves!
