Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Great....
"Duh" is not an answer! Has your thought process on your statement below gone no further than "Duh?" You are talking below, specifically. My question to you was simple and tailored to your statement. If you don't want to address it, that's fine. If you're backup to your statement below is "Duh," you might want to think about that. Re: And I still argue that the right for a citizen, even ones I disagree with, has prevented the US from being taken over in a coup d'etat." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Duh. It certainly makes things more difficult. History shows that when citizens are disarmed a coup d'etat can occur. On 12/06/2015 09:34 AM, emily.mae50@... mailto:emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Hmmmthis is interesting.what are you thinking here? Who might be thwarted from taking over the government because citizens are armed? Re: And I still argue that the right for a citizen, even ones I disagree with, has prevented the US from being taken over in a coup d'etat." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:noozguru@... wrote : It's not wholly unexpected that meddling around in the Middle East would bring blow back. People feel unprotected. If you have a break in it often takes a while for police to show up. You want a chance to survive even if it's just against local malcontents out to steal stuff to feed their drug habit. So I wouldn't blame Obama for this other than carrying on the crap the Neocons started. And if you want to ban guns how are you going to pay for it? Guns cost money, sometimes a lot of money. People would want to be compensated for turning them in. And I still argue that the right for a citizen, even ones I disagree with, has prevented the US from being taken over in a coup d'etat. Anyone planning something like that would know they would have a real battle on their hands. On 12/06/2015 09:11 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... mailto:mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Why is it that every thing Obama tries to do backfires? He wants to disarm America but more people own guns now than ever before. From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 8:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Oh Great Just what we need. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/06/us/in-wake-of-shootings-a-familiar-call-to-arms-drives-latest-jump-in-weapon-sales.html?smid=fb-sharehttp://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/06/us/in-wake-of-shootings-a-familiar-call-to-arms-drives-latest-jump-in-weapon-sales.html?smid=fb-share http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/06/us/in-wake-of-shootings-a-familiar-call-to-arms-drives-latest-jump-in-weapon-sales.html?smid=fb-share
Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Great....
We aren't talking about "taking away gun ownership rights." The second amendment is not going away. Why are you going to worst case scenario, an extremist position. How do you explain the fact that the European countries with stronger gun control laws than us have not gone the way of "tyrannical government, loss of freedom of speech, etc.?" "Oceguera resigned his NRA lifetime membership in a letter to LaPierre, which he posted on his campaign website http://www.johnoceguera.com/2015/12/03/why-im-resigning-my-nra-membership/. "Our country is facing a tragic gun violence epidemic, and we cannot ignore it. Still, the NRA opposes any legislation that would help keep guns out of the hands of terrorists, criminals and the mentally ill, and spends millions to stop any action in Congress that could help prevent further violence," he wrote. "I cannot continue to be a member while the NRA refuses to back closing these loopholes." Meet the Gun-Loving Lifelong Member of the NRA Who Just Submitted His Resignation http://news.yahoo.com/meet-gun-loving-lifelong-member-175404650.html http://news.yahoo.com/meet-gun-loving-lifelong-member-175404650.html Meet the Gun-Loving Lifelong Member of the NRA Who Ju... http://news.yahoo.com/meet-gun-loving-lifelong-member-175404650.html "I just got to a point where I thought, 'Enough is enough.'" View on news.yahoo.com http://news.yahoo.com/meet-gun-loving-lifelong-member-175404650.html Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The purpose of the second amendment is for citizens to protect themselves from a tyrannical government. Those governments usually begin with taking away gun ownership rights, then freedom of speech and the press and proceed onward with more and more government regulation. From: "Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Great It's not wholly unexpected that meddling around in the Middle East would bring blow back. People feel unprotected. If you have a break in it often takes a while for police to show up. You want a chance to survive even if it's just against local malcontents out to steal stuff to feed their drug habit. So I wouldn't blame Obama for this other than carrying on the crap the Neocons started. And if you want to ban guns how are you going to pay for it? Guns cost money, sometimes a lot of money. People would want to be compensated for turning them in. And I still argue that the right for a citizen, even ones I disagree with, has prevented the US from being taken over in a coup d'etat. Anyone planning something like that would know they would have a real battle on their hands. On 12/06/2015 09:11 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... mailto:mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Why is it that every thing Obama tries to do backfires? He wants to disarm America but more people own guns now than ever before. From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" mailto:awoelflebater@...[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 8:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Oh Great Just what we need. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/06/us/in-wake-of-shootings-a-familiar-call-to-arms-drives-latest-jump-in-weapon-sales.html?smid=fb-sharehttp://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/06/us/in-wake-of-shootings-a-familiar-call-to-arms-drives-latest-jump-in-weapon-sales.html?smid=fb-share http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/06/us/in-wake-of-shootings-a-familiar-call-to-arms-drives-latest-jump-in-weapon-sales.html?smid=fb-share http://news.yahoo.com/meet-gun-loving-lifelong-member-175404650.html http://news.yahoo.com/meet-gun-loving-lifelong-member-175404650.html Meet the Gun-Loving Lifelong Member of the NRA Who Ju... http://news.yahoo.com/meet-gun-loving-lifelong-member-175404650.html "I just got to a point where I thought, 'Enough is enough.'" View on news.yahoo.com http://news.yahoo.com/meet-gun-loving-lifelong-member-175404650.html Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The purpose of the second amendment is for citizens to protect themselves from a tyrannical government. Those governments usually begin with taking away gun ownership rights, then freedom of speech and the press and proceed onward with more and more government regulation. From: "Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Great It's not wholly unexpected that meddling around in the Middle East would bring blow back. People feel unprotected. If you have a break in it often takes a while for police to show u
[FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Great....
O.K. I can only laugh...I've been to Australiaperhaps we could learn from the legacy of convict settlers:) Gun Deaths The rate of gun-related suicides and homicides per 100,000 residents in Australia has fallen sharply since gun ownership restrictions were tightened in 1996. 4 3 2 1 0 1970 1975 1980 1985 1990 1995 2000 2005 2010 2013 Gun ownership restrictions tightened in 1996 Source: “Do Gun Buybacks Save Lives? Evidence from Panel Data,” American Law and Economics Review, 2010, with updated figures provided by a co-author, Christine Neill, and later revisions by the Australian Bureau of Statistics. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Em&M sez: Gun sales always increase (in the US) after mass shootings; fear is the great motivator. Exactly true. People like you make me fearful. You are a somnambulist that would willfully strip us of all guns – just like Australia. This is the real road to a 1933 style Ermächtigungsgesetz (Enabling Act). You are a pantomiming ideologue destined to be shocked by reality. Better submit to Allah and be a slave. Yer too old to be a jihadi wife anyway.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Great....
My point exactly. We agree on that point. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Are you afraid of guns? What's this fear thing that you have? Fear leads to irrational behavior. From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 12:58 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Great O.K. I can only laugh...I've been to Australiaperhaps we could learn from the legacy of convict settlers:) Gun Deaths The rate of gun-related suicides and homicides per 100,000 residents in Australia has fallen sharply since gun ownership restrictions were tightened in 1996. 4 3 2 1 0 1970 1975 1980 1985 1990 1995 2000 2005 2010 2013 Gun ownership restrictions tightened in 1996 Source: “Do Gun Buybacks Save Lives? Evidence from Panel Data,” American Law and Economics Review, 2010, with updated figures provided by a co-author, Christine Neill, and later revisions by the Australian Bureau of Statistics. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Em&M sez: Gun sales always increase (in the US) after mass shootings; fear is the great motivator. Exactly true. People like you make me fearful. You are a somnambulist that would willfully strip us of all guns – just like Australia. This is the real road to a 1933 style Ermächtigungsgesetz (Enabling Act). You are a pantomiming ideologue destined to be shocked by reality. Better submit to Allah and be a slave. Yer too old to be a jihadi wife anyway.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh Great....
I don't consider myself doctrinaire. But, I do agree that arguing "ideological" positions with those that are ends up as an exercise in self-expression, mostly. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : "Duh" is an expression used when someone seemingly doesn't understand the obvious. Please step back and look at the bigger picture and stop being doctrinaire. We have plenty of doctrinaire conservatives and don't need any doctrinaire liberals but they are showing up all over the place. Being doctrinaire is like the TM people who spout the same canned phrases over and over again about TM like a parrot. Think! On 12/06/2015 10:09 AM, emily.mae50@... mailto:emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: "Duh" is not an answer! Has your thought process on your statement below gone no further than "Duh?" You are talking below, specifically. My question to you was simple and tailored to your statement. If you don't want to address it, that's fine. If you're backup to your statement below is "Duh," you might want to think about that. Re: And I still argue that the right for a citizen, even ones I disagree with, has prevented the US from being taken over in a coup d'etat." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:noozguru@... wrote : Duh. It certainly makes things more difficult. History shows that when citizens are disarmed a coup d'etat can occur. On 12/06/2015 09:34 AM, emily.mae50@... mailto:emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Hmmmthis is interesting.what are you thinking here? Who might be thwarted from taking over the government because citizens are armed? Re: And I still argue that the right for a citizen, even ones I disagree with, has prevented the US from being taken over in a coup d'etat." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:noozguru@... wrote : It's not wholly unexpected that meddling around in the Middle East would bring blow back. People feel unprotected. If you have a break in it often takes a while for police to show up. You want a chance to survive even if it's just against local malcontents out to steal stuff to feed their drug habit. So I wouldn't blame Obama for this other than carrying on the crap the Neocons started. And if you want to ban guns how are you going to pay for it? Guns cost money, sometimes a lot of money. People would want to be compensated for turning them in. And I still argue that the right for a citizen, even ones I disagree with, has prevented the US from being taken over in a coup d'etat. Anyone planning something like that would know they would have a real battle on their hands. On 12/06/2015 09:11 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... mailto:mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Why is it that every thing Obama tries to do backfires? He wants to disarm America but more people own guns now than ever before. From: mailto:awoelflebater@...[FairfieldLife]"awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.comfairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 8:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Oh Great Just what we need. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/06/us/in-wake-of-shootings-a-familiar-call-to-arms-drives-latest-jump-in-weapon-sales.html?smid=fb-sharehttp://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/06/us/in-wake-of-shootings-a-familiar-call-to-arms-drives-latest-jump-in-weapon-sales.html?smid=fb-share http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/06/us/in-wake-of-shootings-a-familiar-call-to-arms-drives-latest-jump-in-weapon-sales.html?smid=fb-share
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Great....
I like it. "It's a time to unite." Like what he said about "the right to bear arms" also. :) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : While were at it let's have Field Marshall Von Empty comment about this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ruVmJs01eo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ruVmJs01eo (For those afraid to click it is an interview with some members of the mosque that the San Bernardino shooter attended speaking out in support of the community and recognizing what a terrible tragedy it was). On 12/06/2015 11:20 AM, emptybill@... mailto:emptybill@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: O.K. I can only laugh...I've been to Australiaperhaps we could learn from the legacy of convict settlers:) Yep, convicted or not, lets allow them boyz and gurls of Chicago all the guns they can steal. After all - gang murders help thin out the "lower classes". Commissar Bari2 would be proud. After all, it saves him and his Marxist friends from having to do the sewage work themselves.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Great....
Do you mean *between* "fear" and "trust"? You see, we seem to agree on this as well. I would consider these two words virtual opposites. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : There is a big difference in fear and trust. From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Great My point exactly. We agree on that point. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Are you afraid of guns? What's this fear thing that you have? Fear leads to irrational behavior. From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 12:58 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Great O.K. I can only laugh...I've been to Australiaperhaps we could learn from the legacy of convict settlers:) Gun Deaths The rate of gun-related suicides and homicides per 100,000 residents in Australia has fallen sharply since gun ownership restrictions were tightened in 1996. 4 3 2 1 0 1970 1975 1980 1985 1990 1995 2000 2005 2010 2013 Gun ownership restrictions tightened in 1996 Source: “Do Gun Buybacks Save Lives? Evidence from Panel Data,” American Law and Economics Review, 2010, with updated figures provided by a co-author, Christine Neill, and later revisions by the Australian Bureau of Statistics. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Em&M sez: Gun sales always increase (in the US) after mass shootings; fear is the great motivator. Exactly true. People like you make me fearful. You are a somnambulist that would willfully strip us of all guns – just like Australia. This is the real road to a 1933 style Ermächtigungsgesetz (Enabling Act). You are a pantomiming ideologue destined to be shocked by reality. Better submit to Allah and be a slave. Yer too old to be a jihadi wife anyway.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Great....
I believe it is better in the big picture to choose trust rather than fear as a principle to live by. Both "feelings" inform our decision-making process. But, perhaps, in order for "trust" not to be equated to "being naive," one must explore the roots of one's fear. Most must choose and practice trust; fear is automatic and reactive and easy. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Fear can be irrational. Trust can be out of wisdom, experience or being naive. From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Great Do you mean *between* "fear" and "trust"? You see, we seem to agree on this as well. I would consider these two words virtual opposites. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : There is a big difference in fear and trust. From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Great My point exactly. We agree on that point. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Are you afraid of guns? What's this fear thing that you have? Fear leads to irrational behavior. From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 12:58 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Great O.K. I can only laugh...I've been to Australiaperhaps we could learn from the legacy of convict settlers:) Gun Deaths The rate of gun-related suicides and homicides per 100,000 residents in Australia has fallen sharply since gun ownership restrictions were tightened in 1996. 4 3 2 1 0 1970 1975 1980 1985 1990 1995 2000 2005 2010 2013 Gun ownership restrictions tightened in 1996 Source: “Do Gun Buybacks Save Lives? Evidence from Panel Data,” American Law and Economics Review, 2010, with updated figures provided by a co-author, Christine Neill, and later revisions by the Australian Bureau of Statistics. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Em&M sez: Gun sales always increase (in the US) after mass shootings; fear is the great motivator. Exactly true. People like you make me fearful. You are a somnambulist that would willfully strip us of all guns – just like Australia. This is the real road to a 1933 style Ermächtigungsgesetz (Enabling Act). You are a pantomiming ideologue destined to be shocked by reality. Better submit to Allah and be a slave. Yer too old to be a jihadi wife anyway.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hear, Hear
What do you know is there? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I don't think there is one thing that is "the answer". Or to put my point another way perhaps, for some people Vedic knowledge and philosophy, Buddhism, humanism or whatever may provide the answers, there are beautiful attempts at explaining Life - but for me it is lacking as it does not provide what I know is there..
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Normal Muslims
This article goes into depth and gives a reasoned perspective on Taqiyya, in that it puts it all into a historical and cultural, etc. context that makes sense. I don't support the "splinter" faction of Islam that represents the "radical jihadists." Nor do I believe in fundamentalist Christianity. Both are extremist, rigid, and inflexible in their views; fear-based, imho. Silencing Spencer: Taqiyya and Kitman are part of Judeo-Christian Belief http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/08/silencing-spencer-taqiyya-and-kitman-are-part-of-judeo-christian-belief/ Silencing Spencer: Taqiyya and Kitman are part of Judeo-Christian Belief http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/08/silencing-spencer-taqiyya-and-kitman-are-part-of-judeo-christian-belief/ Danios delivers yet another masterpiece rebuttal that exposes Robert Spencer’s “scholarly” ways. View on www.loonwatch.com http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/08/silencing-spencer-taqiyya-and-kitman-are-part-of-judeo-christian-belief/ Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Normal Muslims
I think applying the "terrorist ideology" of a relatively small fundamentalist group/organization to a worldwide religion and billions of people all over the world, including those in our own country, is an extremist position that leads to irrational fear and unwarranted action and greater violence. Re: Fundamentalist Christian sects and violence, look up the group "The Covenant, the Sword and The Arm of the Lord" to start. They are out there. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : And how do you *weed* out the splinter factions of Islam, ask them if they are extreme and radical and hope they don't respond with Taqiyya ? There are well over a billion Muslims in the world.A small fraction can easily be more than the entire population of the United States. It only took 18 to cause mayhem on 9/11, single individuals on multiple other occasions and two the other day.I don't know of any extreme Fundamentalist Christian sects trying to take over the country by force using murder as a tool. From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 7, 2015 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Normal Muslims This article goes into depth and gives a reasoned perspective on Taqiyya, in that it puts it all into a historical and cultural, etc. context that makes sense. I don't support the "splinter" faction of Islam that represents the "radical jihadists." Nor do I believe in fundamentalist Christianity. Both are extremist, rigid, and inflexible in their views; fear-based, imho. Silencing Spencer: Taqiyya and Kitman are part of Judeo-Christian Belief http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/08/silencing-spencer-taqiyya-and-kitman-are-part-of-judeo-christian-belief/ Silencing Spencer: Taqiyya and Kitman are part of Judeo-Christian Belief http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/08/silencing-spencer-taqiyya-and-kitman-are-part-of-judeo-christian-belief/ Danios delivers yet another masterpiece rebuttal that exposes Robert Spencer’s “scholarly” ways. View on www.loonwatch.com http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/08/silencing-spencer-taqiyya-and-kitman-are-part-of-judeo-christian-belief/ Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Normal Muslims
I'm not stretching that far; in 1985 the FBI considered them "the second most dangerous domestic terrorist organization." They were around for at least a decade. Homegrown "Christian" terrorists. No, I'm not "advanced" anything...:) I am practicing mindfulness these days, in the sense that I try to stay present and aware and quiet, actually. I admit I am noisier here than is necessary. There is an ever-shifting definition of the word "radical" and opinions and views fluctuate wildly and often (if one looks at polls and surveys). Note I said "relatively" small. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : CSA? Emily you're really stretching. Did you say you were into really advanced Hatha Yoga? Wahabbi and Shiites are no small fundamentalist groups and are the source of most of the violence coming out of Islam. From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 7, 2015 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Normal Muslims I think applying the "terrorist ideology" of a relatively small fundamentalist group/organization to a worldwide religion and billions of people all over the world, including those in our own country, is an extremist position that leads to irrational fear and unwarranted action and greater violence. Re: Fundamentalist Christian sects and violence, look up the group "The Covenant, the Sword and The Arm of the Lord" to start. They are out there. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : And how do you *weed* out the splinter factions of Islam, ask them if they are extreme and radical and hope they don't respond with Taqiyya ? There are well over a billion Muslims in the world.A small fraction can easily be more than the entire population of the United States. It only took 18 to cause mayhem on 9/11, single individuals on multiple other occasions and two the other day.I don't know of any extreme Fundamentalist Christian sects trying to take over the country by force using murder as a tool. From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 7, 2015 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Normal Muslims This article goes into depth and gives a reasoned perspective on Taqiyya, in that it puts it all into a historical and cultural, etc. context that makes sense. I don't support the "splinter" faction of Islam that represents the "radical jihadists." Nor do I believe in fundamentalist Christianity. Both are extremist, rigid, and inflexible in their views; fear-based, imho. Silencing Spencer: Taqiyya and Kitman are part of Judeo-Christian Belief http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/08/silencing-spencer-taqiyya-and-kitman-are-part-of-judeo-christian-belief/ Silencing Spencer: Taqiyya and Kitman are part of Judeo-Christian Belief http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/08/silencing-spencer-taqiyya-and-kitman-are-part-of-judeo-christian-belief/ Danios delivers yet another masterpiece rebuttal that exposes Robert Spencer’s “scholarly” ways. View on www.loonwatch.com http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/08/silencing-spencer-taqiyya-and-kitman-are-part-of-judeo-christian-belief/ Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] International travel
Just heard this on the radio. All international trips are cancelled, including the upcoming sports team trips to the US (e.g. hockey game in Hawaii). The spokesperson said that, in addition to the Paris attacks, the San Bernadino shooting and the 355 mass shootings in the US this year (a number they heard last week) played into the decision. It's too dangerous here for them to take the risk to travel to the US; "anything could happen at anytime." Of course, they have to care for others' children, which makes a difference in their risk assessment, I'm sure. 'Recent global events' prompt Catholic schools to cancel international trips http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/calgary-catholic-travel-cancelled-recent-global-events-1.3354425 http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/calgary-catholic-travel-cancelled-recent-global-events-1.3354425 'Recent global events' prompt Catholic schools t... http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/calgary-catholic-travel-cancelled-recent-global-events-1.3354425 All international travel for students and staff at Alberta's two largest Catholic school districts has been cancelled for the remainder of the school year in th... View on www.cbc.ca http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/calgary-catholic-travel-cancelled-recent-global-events-1.3354425 Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Only in Canada
Trump is in the happiest place of his whole life! He has global recognition on a scale that is quite incredible really. He *is* forcing people out of their apathy and insisting, through his megalomania, through his articulating the "seven deadly sins" in control within him, that they articulate their positions and think about what they believe in and what they want to stand for. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : There is actually a petition to keep Trump from entering Canada: I support a lifetime ban for Donald Trump from entering Canada. http://you.leadnow.ca/petitions/i-support-a-lifetime-ban-for-donald-trump-from-entering-canada?source=facebook-share-button&time=1449584277 http://you.leadnow.ca/petitions/i-support-a-lifetime-ban-for-donald-trump-from-entering-canada?source=facebook-share-button&time=1449584277 I support a lifetime ban for Donald Trump from entering... http://you.leadnow.ca/petitions/i-support-a-lifetime-ban-for-donald-trump-from-entering-canada?source=facebook-share-button&time=1449584277 American business tycoon and now Republican Presidential candidate Donald Trump has called for a complete, blanket ban to prevent any muslim from enterin... View on you.leadnow.ca http://you.leadnow.ca/petitions/i-support-a-lifetime-ban-for-donald-trump-from-entering-canada?source=facebook-share-button&time=1449584277 Preview by Yahoo Another interesting tidbit: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/trump-around-the-world-whos-welcoming-him-and-whos-shunninghim/article27656087/ http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/trump-around-the-world-whos-welcoming-him-and-whos-shunninghim/article27656087/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Trump Wants to Ban Muslims from Entering the US
I'm with you on this... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I said "No answer that you agree with" because there are, of course, plenty of answers that have been proposed from all shades of the political spectrum, including liberals. Most are realistic enough to acknowledge that no answer is going to be perfect (except, perhaps, for Ted Cruz, who wants to nuke ISIS into nonexistence). President Obama's is the best answer I've heard so far (the second link below is the transcript of the speech): President Obama Addresses the Nation on Keeping the American People Safe https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2015/12/05/president-obama-addresses-nation-keeping-american-people-safe https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2015/12/05/president-obama-addresses-nation-keeping-american-people-safe President Obama Addresses the Nation on Keeping the... https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2015/12/05/president-obama-addresses-nation-keeping-american-people-safe On Sunday, December 6, President Obama addressed the nation on his top priority: keeping Americans safe. View on www.whitehouse.gov https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2015/12/05/president-obama-addresses-nation-keeping-american-people-safe Preview by Yahoo President Obama Addresses the Nation on Keeping the American People Safe https://medium.com/@WhiteHouse/president-obama-addresses-the-nation-on-keeping-the-american-people-safe-b4cfa8a0f143#.7ja63keng https://medium.com/@WhiteHouse/president-obama-addresses-the-nation-on-keeping-the-american-people-safe-b4cfa8a0f143#.7ja63keng President Obama Addresses the Nation on Keeping the... https://medium.com/@WhiteHouse/president-obama-addresses-the-nation-on-keeping-the-american-people-safe-b4cfa8a0f143#.7ja63keng On Sunday, December 6, President Obama addressed the nation from the Oval Office on the steps our government is taking t… View on medium.com https://medium.com/@WhiteHouse/president-obama-addresses-the-nation-on-keeping-the-american-people-safe-b4cfa8a0f143#.7ja63keng Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You mean, no answer that you agree with. No answer that I've even heard of! Uh, right. It would be hard to disagree with an answer you hadn't heard of. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yes Trump is a wild card alright. BBC Radio were today comparing Trump's style to Peter Finch's rant in Network. The problem for those who oppose Trump (most everyone) is that they have no answer to the issue of Islamic radicalisation and the regular terrorist atrocities that innocent, peaceful citizens are having to endure. Instead of just dismissing Trump as a bigot (which he probably is) I'd appreciate some positive and credible policy initiatives that will tackle the threat we face. I'll be waiting a long time as liberals have no answers. That's the really scary thing and not a right-wing populist speech by a presidential outsider. Howard Beale Rant - Network https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS4aiA17YsM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS4aiA17YsM Howard Beale Rant - Network https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS4aiA17YsM This is one of my all time favorite scenes from any movie - Peter Finch as Howard Beale is absolutely electrifying. What is chilling to me is how pertinent h... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS4aiA17YsM Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: New to Canada
Nice. Gosh, they look like human beings.imagine that...families with children.grateful to simply be alivecompassion is a stronger principle than fear. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/12/world/americas/syria-refugees-arrive-in-canada.html http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/12/world/americas/syria-refugees-arrive-in-canada.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: ATT: Feste
Should we start a "betting pool?" Who thinks he will drop out if not selected as the GOP nominee? Who thinks he will run independently if he doesn't get the nomination? https://www.facebook.com/businessinsider/videos/10153195187354071/?permPage=1 https://www.facebook.com/businessinsider/videos/10153195187354071/?permPage=1 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Still. Not. Convinced. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/i-will-never-leave-this-race/2015/12/08/af1b1d46-9ad2-11e5-8917-653b65c809eb_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/i-will-never-leave-this-race/2015/12/08/af1b1d46-9ad2-11e5-8917-653b65c809eb_story.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: ATT: Feste
O.K. Still, what I was doing was just forwarding the conversation a bit, stating the most obvious take on the article. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Actualy, auth had her own reasons for posting that for my attention, and they were nothing to do with Trump's chances. Mind you, I'd say that anyone who uses a Trump quote to try to win a point must be in fairly desperate straits. Come on auth -- it's time to wake up and toss a few of your famous caustic barbs in my direction. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Should we start a "betting pool?" Who thinks he will drop out if not selected as the GOP nominee? Who thinks he will run independently if he doesn't get the nomination? https://www.facebook.com/businessinsider/videos/10153195187354071/?permPage=1 https://www.facebook.com/businessinsider/videos/10153195187354071/?permPage=1 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Still. Not. Convinced. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/i-will-never-leave-this-race/2015/12/08/af1b1d46-9ad2-11e5-8917-653b65c809eb_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/i-will-never-leave-this-race/2015/12/08/af1b1d46-9ad2-11e5-8917-653b65c809eb_story.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: ATT: Feste
I agree, with one possible exception. If he determines the cost business wise is too high, he may exit after he loses the nomination. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/companies-dumped-donald-trump/story?id=32162703 http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/companies-dumped-donald-trump/story?id=32162703 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Should we start a "betting pool?" Who thinks he will drop out if not selected as the GOP nominee? Who thinks he will run independently if he doesn't get the nomination? https://www.facebook.com/businessinsider/videos/10153195187354071/?permPage=1 https://www.facebook.com/businessinsider/videos/10153195187354071/?permPage=1 I like a good wager. I'll bet he will run as an independent if he doesn't get the nomination because he is basically so narcissistic, such a bully, such a bad loser, such a blowhard that he will just have to make a bid. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Still. Not. Convinced. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/i-will-never-leave-this-race/2015/12/08/af1b1d46-9ad2-11e5-8917-653b65c809eb_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/i-will-never-leave-this-race/2015/12/08/af1b1d46-9ad2-11e5-8917-653b65c809eb_story.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] You Don't Have to Be Liberal to Understand This
Re: "No one needs to fear a law abiding citizen that is armed." You don't really believe this do you? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The victims are the *they*. The point is,people who have criminal intent don't obey gun laws while law abiding citizens do. If a school or a business is designated as a *gun free zone*, the law abiding citizen leaves his/her gun in the car or at home. The criminal/terrorist does what they are going to do. Had the law abiding citizen been able to *carry*, the criminal could have been stopped at some point with lethal force if need be, instead of waiting 5-20 minutes for police to respond. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. No one needs to fear a law abiding citizen that is armed. From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 8:45 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] You Don't Have to Be Liberal to Understand This ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Weren't they in *gun free* zones? Who are "they" and if someone got shot it was evidently not a "gun free zone". LOL From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 9:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] You Don't Have to Be Liberal to Understand This
[FairfieldLife] Re: You Don't Have to Be Liberal to Understand This
The FBI defines mass murder as "three or more persons." There are other qualifying criteria. The Congressional Research Service defines it as where four are killed. There can also be distinctions between "mass shootings" and "mass murder." The reality is, imho, is that one's natural inclination when being shot at by a would be to duck or drop or run. Particularly in the face of a barrage of bullets from an automatic or automatic-like assault weapon that is fired in an event over in minutes. What we don't need are a bunch of trigger-happy, irrationally or racistly motivated, fear-based individuals who bought their guns reactively, who are stuck in some vision of themselves as a vigilante, walking around like a terrorist event is around every corner. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Re "The number of mass shootings stopped by armed civilians in the last three decades is zero": You might be being fooled by this statistic. Think about it: a mass shooting is defined by "Four or more people are actually killed, not including the perpetrator". Now imagine: a would-be "mass shooter" walks into a shopping mall and kills one, two or three people. At that point an armed civilian takes action and the murderer is stopped in his tracks. As four or more people were not killed in this imagined incident it will *not* be classified as a "mass-shooting event"! But it would have been if the have-a-go hero hadn't been there. Neat, huh? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Re: [FairfieldLife] You Don't Have to Be Liberal to Understand This
Mike, your language! "Unfettered?" What? Re: ".disarm law abiding citizens from the ability to protect themselves". I choose not to live in fear, however if I were to walk around afraid for my life, I'd be way more afraid of "law abiding" vigilantes than I would the possibility that I might get gunned down in a terrorist attack. I think it highly more likely that "law-abiding" or not (and that's another buzz term that means nothing when it comes to "protecting" oneself. The entire sentence is nonsense), the potential for murder is much higher with a prevalence of armed, fearful, citizens. Most of us don't have the experience or training, imo, that would allow us to challenge our automatic reaction to fear, that would allow us to assess a situation rationally. Basically, if statistics prove to be accurate, the more guns we sell our "law abiding" citizens, the more people are going to die needless deaths and they won't be terrorists. What I'm saying is...I don't believe that an armed citizenry, the large majority of which has no experience of any depth with guns, is the answer to terrorism or to any social problem. Guns aren't going away, I realize that. The least we should do is require significantly more stringent gun control laws. Even Switzerland, who arms a citizen militia intentionally, understands the need for gun control. http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:cJXUAH09uhoJ:www.dailykos.com/story/2013/2/28/1190586/-Some-Truth-About-Switzerland-and-Guns+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:cJXUAH09uhoJ:www.dailykos.com/story/2013/2/28/1190586/-Some-Truth-About-Switzerland-and-Guns+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : BTW, I'm having trouble understanding how, not wanting to invite unfettered refugees into the country as being the politics of *fear* but wanting to disarm law abiding citizens from the ability to protect themselves is not. From: "Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] You Don't Have to Be Liberal to Understand This Yes, I do. From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] You Don't Have to Be Liberal to Understand This Re: "No one needs to fear a law abiding citizen that is armed." You don't really believe this do you? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The victims are the *they*. The point is,people who have criminal intent don't obey gun laws while law abiding citizens do. If a school or a business is designated as a *gun free zone*, the law abiding citizen leaves his/her gun in the car or at home. The criminal/terrorist does what they are going to do. Had the law abiding citizen been able to *carry*, the criminal could have been stopped at some point with lethal force if need be, instead of waiting 5-20 minutes for police to respond. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. No one needs to fear a law abiding citizen that is armed. From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 8:45 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] You Don't Have to Be Liberal to Understand This ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Weren't they in *gun free* zones? Who are "they" and if someone got shot it was evidently not a "gun free zone". LOL From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 9:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] You Don't Have to Be Liberal to Understand This
Re: [FairfieldLife] You Don't Have to Be Liberal to Understand This
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Re: "No one needs to fear a law abiding citizen that is armed." You don't really believe this do you? Emily, come on. Just look at these law abiding citizens. I certainly feel safer know they're out there, don't you? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The victims are the *they*. The point is,people who have criminal intent don't obey gun laws while law abiding citizens do. If a school or a business is designated as a *gun free zone*, the law abiding citizen leaves his/her gun in the car or at home. The criminal/terrorist does what they are going to do. Had the law abiding citizen been able to *carry*, the criminal could have been stopped at some point with lethal force if need be, instead of waiting 5-20 minutes for police to respond. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. No one needs to fear a law abiding citizen that is armed. From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 8:45 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] You Don't Have to Be Liberal to Understand This ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Weren't they in *gun free* zones? Who are "they" and if someone got shot it was evidently not a "gun free zone". LOL From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 9:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] You Don't Have to Be Liberal to Understand This
Re: [FairfieldLife] You Don't Have to Be Liberal to Understand This
Refugees aren't "unvetted" (my autocorrect wanted to change it to "unveiled") Mike. Maybe in your state, training is required. Not in mine. http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/no-safety-training-required-to-get-gun-permit/ http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/no-safety-training-required-to-get-gun-permit/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Unvetted. Another auto-corection. As for *law abiding* vigilante, isn't that an oxymoron?People that have carry and concealed carry permits are licensed. They under go background checks and training as to how, and when to use their weapons and the legal ramifications when they do. From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] You Don't Have to Be Liberal to Understand This Mike, your language! "Unfettered?" What? Re: ".disarm law abiding citizens from the ability to protect themselves". I choose not to live in fear, however if I were to walk around afraid for my life, I'd be way more afraid of "law abiding" vigilantes than I would the possibility that I might get gunned down in a terrorist attack. I think it highly more likely that "law-abiding" or not (and that's another buzz term that means nothing when it comes to "protecting" oneself. The entire sentence is nonsense), the potential for murder is much higher with a prevalence of armed, fearful, citizens. Most of us don't have the experience or training, imo, that would allow us to challenge our automatic reaction to fear, that would allow us to assess a situation rationally. Basically, if statistics prove to be accurate, the more guns we sell our "law abiding" citizens, the more people are going to die needless deaths and they won't be terrorists. What I'm saying is...I don't believe that an armed citizenry, the large majority of which has no experience of any depth with guns, is the answer to terrorism or to any social problem. Guns aren't going away, I realize that. The least we should do is require significantly more stringent gun control laws. Even Switzerland, who arms a citizen militia intentionally, understands the need for gun control. http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:cJXUAH09uhoJ:www.dailykos.com/story/2013/2/28/1190586/-Some-Truth-About-Switzerland-and-Guns+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:cJXUAH09uhoJ:www.dailykos.com/story/2013/2/28/1190586/-Some-Truth-About-Switzerland-and-Guns+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : BTW, I'm having trouble understanding how, not wanting to invite unfettered refugees into the country as being the politics of *fear* but wanting to disarm law abiding citizens from the ability to protect themselves is not. From: "Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] You Don't Have to Be Liberal to Understand This Yes, I do. From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] You Don't Have to Be Liberal to Understand This Re: "No one needs to fear a law abiding citizen that is armed." You don't really believe this do you? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The victims are the *they*. The point is,people who have criminal intent don't obey gun laws while law abiding citizens do. If a school or a business is designated as a *gun free zone*, the law abiding citizen leaves his/her gun in the car or at home. The criminal/terrorist does what they are going to do. Had the law abiding citizen been able to *carry*, the criminal could have been stopped at some point with lethal force if need be, instead of waiting 5-20 minutes for police to respond. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. No one needs to fear a law abiding citizen that is armed. From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 8:45 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] You Don't Have to Be Liberal to Understand This ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Weren't they in *gun free* zones? Who are "they" and if someone got shot it was evidently not a "gun free zone". LOL From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 9:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] You Don't Have to Be Liberal to Understand This
[FairfieldLife] Re: You Don't Have to Be Liberal to Understand This
The requirements to drive and own a car are significantly more stringent than to acquire and possess a firearm. Re: registration requirements... "There is no comprehensive national system of gun registration. In fact, federal law prohibits the use of the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) to create any system of registration of firearms or firearm owners. A limited system of federal firearms registration was created by the National Firearms Act, 26 U.S.C. § 5801 et seq. The National Firearms Act (“NFA”) was enacted in 1934 to impose an excise tax and registration requirements on a narrow category of firearms, including machine guns, short-barreled shotguns or rifles, and silencers, and these weapons must also be registered under the NFA.' Registration requirements by state varies widely. "Eight states have statutes prohibiting them from maintaining a registry of firearms except in limited circumstances." Registration of Firearms Policy Summary http://smartgunlaws.org/registration-of-firearms-policy-summary/#footnote_4_5700 http://smartgunlaws.org/registration-of-firearms-policy-summary/#footnote_4_5700 Registration of Firearms Policy Summary http://smartgunlaws.org/registration-of-firearms-policy-summary/#footnote_4_5700 Firearm registration laws require individuals to record their ownership of a firearm with a designated law enforcement agency. These laws enable l View on smartgunlaws.org http://smartgunlaws.org/registration-of-firearms-policy-summary/#footnote_4_5700 Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : But there must be a register of gun ownership surely? Even car owners have their names and addresses linked to their vehicle licence plates (I've seen American cop shows on TV ;-) ). So it can't be difficult to check if someone owns 100 sports cars. Ditto firearms, no? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Dear Scorpion Meditator; No. For instance our dear, dear moderator of FFL can buy as many as he wishes, so long as he don't have a felony convction again him. But even then felons get guns pretty easy through friends, garage sales and gun show flea markets. Is easy to 'collect' semi-auto assualt guns of all sizes. Even [meditating] kids growing up here while in high school and their friends collected all kinds of armament and would go out and shoot together. You know, explore the physics of ballistics. The science of it. It is the culture. You should see the collection of antique guns one of my offspring who was deep in to Civil War re-enacting has. From those days I have friends with live-fire cannon in their garages at home. Most places you just can't carry them openly. Depends on the locality in America. Lot of places you can get a permit to carry loaded guns 'on your person'. Other places you don't need that. It is cultural. Like, the annual great communal deer hunt is going on right now here: shotgun season. And there are all sorts [undreds and maybe thousands] of armed people racing around in pickup trucks like mad people dressed in blaze orange right now. Some of them no doubt liquored up too. I pull my livestock in close during these weeks of the tribal annual deer hunt. I sold horses once to an engineer who was a manager of a DuPont chemical plant out in Maryland a few years back. He was saying they would shut their plants down during deer season because so many of their folks would call in sick anyway on those days. Basically, growing up American, if you go to a scout camp in America you learn to shoot an arrow and a gun. It is American. Evidently this is engrained as a first line of defense again religious nuts of various stripes, even protecting us from white X-ains of various bolts of white cloth. It is old history with us. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : A query from Scorpion Nation: When US citizens buy a firearm they have to register the gun, no? Is there some central, federal agency coordinating the sales invoices? What I'm wondering is if a citizen were to buy 20 semi-automatic rifles would anyone in authority be aware that he had built up such an arsenal and wouldn't that automatically trigger concerns that maybe he needed appraising re possible terrorist/security risks? Perhaps in the States it's just regarded as his personal preference and a private matter . . .
[FairfieldLife] Re: You Don't Have to Be Liberal to Understand This
Pray! “Lord, here am I! And here are we, together! No one alone can end this killing spree.The powers of death put one against another. Yet you are God and you desire Peace. As mourners, prophets, labourers together, Give us the strength to make the killings cease.” This is a sweet little article A grand American place of worship speaks out against guns http://www.economist.com/blogs/erasmus/2015/12/american-cathedral-and-guns http://www.economist.com/blogs/erasmus/2015/12/american-cathedral-and-guns A grand American place of worship speaks out agains... http://www.economist.com/blogs/erasmus/2015/12/american-cathedral-and-guns An American house of prayer where guns are unwelcome View on www.economist.com http://www.economist.com/blogs/erasmus/2015/12/american-cathedral-and-guns Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Nope, as Americans we are free! Thank the Unified Field we are free! /a.. Some would like to create an application process that might catch mental cases. But we are pretty free to buy guns small and large of most any type. But old history would ask, "what would you do when the Anglican Church has all our guns?" ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : But there must be a register of gun ownership surely? Even car owners have their names and addresses linked to their vehicle licence plates (I've seen American cop shows on TV ;-) ). So it can't be difficult to check if someone owns 100 sports cars. Ditto firearms, no? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Dear Scorpion Meditator; No. For instance our dear, dear moderator of FFL can buy as many as he wishes, so long as he don't have a felony convction again him. But even then felons get guns pretty easy through friends, garage sales and gun show flea markets. Is easy to 'collect' semi-auto assualt guns of all sizes. Even [meditating] kids growing up here while in high school and their friends collected all kinds of armament and would go out and shoot together. You know, explore the physics of ballistics. The science of it. It is the culture. You should see the collection of antique guns one of my offspring who was deep in to Civil War re-enacting has. From those days I have friends with live-fire cannon in their garages at home. Most places you just can't carry them openly. Depends on the locality in America. Lot of places you can get a permit to carry loaded guns 'on your person'. Other places you don't need that. It is cultural. Like, the annual great communal deer hunt is going on right now here: shotgun season. And there are all sorts [undreds and maybe thousands] of armed people racing around in pickup trucks like mad people dressed in blaze orange right now. Some of them no doubt liquored up too. I pull my livestock in close during these weeks of the tribal annual deer hunt. I sold horses once to an engineer who was a manager of a DuPont chemical plant out in Maryland a few years back. He was saying they would shut their plants down during deer season because so many of their folks would call in sick anyway on those days. Basically, growing up American, if you go to a scout camp in America you learn to shoot an arrow and a gun. It is American. Evidently this is engrained as a first line of defense again religious nuts of various stripes, even protecting us from white X-ains of various bolts of white cloth. It is old history with us. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : A query from Scorpion Nation: When US citizens buy a firearm they have to register the gun, no? Is there some central, federal agency coordinating the sales invoices? What I'm wondering is if a citizen were to buy 20 semi-automatic rifles would anyone in authority be aware that he had built up such an arsenal and wouldn't that automatically trigger concerns that maybe he needed appraising re possible terrorist/security risks? Perhaps in the States it's just regarded as his personal preference and a private matter . . .
[FairfieldLife] Re: You Don't Have to Be Liberal to Understand This
There is no requirement that law enforcement follow up. However, the reporting requirement for the person/business with the FFL (Federal Firearm License) helps to deter those involved in gun trafficking, among other things. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Well certainly if you buy your firearms legally, it will be evident to someone in the bureau of ATF that you've accumulated quite an arsenal. What, if any follow up they do, I wouldn't know. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : But there must be a register of gun ownership surely? Even car owners have their names and addresses linked to their vehicle licence plates (I've seen American cop shows on TV ;-) ). So it can't be difficult to check if someone owns 100 sports cars. Ditto firearms, no? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Dear Scorpion Meditator; No. For instance our dear, dear moderator of FFL can buy as many as he wishes, so long as he don't have a felony convction again him. But even then felons get guns pretty easy through friends, garage sales and gun show flea markets. Is easy to 'collect' semi-auto assualt guns of all sizes. Even [meditating] kids growing up here while in high school and their friends collected all kinds of armament and would go out and shoot together. You know, explore the physics of ballistics. The science of it. It is the culture. You should see the collection of antique guns one of my offspring who was deep in to Civil War re-enacting has. From those days I have friends with live-fire cannon in their garages at home. Most places you just can't carry them openly. Depends on the locality in America. Lot of places you can get a permit to carry loaded guns 'on your person'. Other places you don't need that. It is cultural. Like, the annual great communal deer hunt is going on right now here: shotgun season. And there are all sorts [undreds and maybe thousands] of armed people racing around in pickup trucks like mad people dressed in blaze orange right now. Some of them no doubt liquored up too. I pull my livestock in close during these weeks of the tribal annual deer hunt. I sold horses once to an engineer who was a manager of a DuPont chemical plant out in Maryland a few years back. He was saying they would shut their plants down during deer season because so many of their folks would call in sick anyway on those days. Basically, growing up American, if you go to a scout camp in America you learn to shoot an arrow and a gun. It is American. Evidently this is engrained as a first line of defense again religious nuts of various stripes, even protecting us from white X-ains of various bolts of white cloth. It is old history with us. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : A query from Scorpion Nation: When US citizens buy a firearm they have to register the gun, no? Is there some central, federal agency coordinating the sales invoices? What I'm wondering is if a citizen were to buy 20 semi-automatic rifles would anyone in authority be aware that he had built up such an arsenal and wouldn't that automatically trigger concerns that maybe he needed appraising re possible terrorist/security risks? Perhaps in the States it's just regarded as his personal preference and a private matter . . .
[FairfieldLife] Re: for Sal
Wonderful. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Go hug a tree, mate, it will make you feel better -- it's been SCIENTIFICALLY VALIDATED!! Tree Hugging Now Scientifically Validated http://theunboundedspirit.com/tree-hugging-now-scientifically-validated/ http://theunboundedspirit.com/tree-hugging-now-scientifically-validated/ Tree Hugging Now Scientifically Validated http://theunboundedspirit.com/tree-hugging-now-scientifically-validated/ It has been recently scientifically validated that hugging trees is good for you. Research has shown that you don’t even have to touch a tree to get better — jus... View on theunboundedspirit.com http://theunboundedspirit.com/tree-hugging-now-scientifically-validated/ Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Force awakens: alien language
Funny. Talented woman! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : In December 2015 the news broke that Forsberg had spent the last 18 months working with Lucasfilm and was the the creator of the alien language used in Star Wars: The Force Awakens https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Force_Awakens. Sara Forsberg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sara_Forsberg#cite_note-24 Sara Forsberg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sara_Forsberg#cite_note-24 Sara Maria Forsberg (born 2 May 1994), known professionally as Saara (stylised as SΛΛRΛ or SAARA; formerly Smo, Smoukahontas, or Smokahontas), is a Finnish singer, songwriter, YouTube personality, actress, comedienne, multi-instrumentalist, and impersonator. View on en.wikipedia.org https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sara_Forsberg#cite_note-24 Preview by Yahoo What Languages Sound Like To Foreigners https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybcvlxivscw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybcvlxivscw What Languages Sound Like To Foreigners https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybcvlxivscw Me goofing around, showing what certain languages sound like to me. The sentences in this video are made up apart from a few exceptions. Dont take it too ... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybcvlxivscw Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hmmm... kauravas vs. paandavas??
Meet the Fox News atheist — the man Bill O’Reilly calls a fascist and Sean Hannity thinks is evil http://www.salon.com/2015/12/20/meet_the_fox_news_atheist_the_man_bill_oreilly_calls_a_fascist_and_sean_hannity_thinks_is_evil/ http://www.salon.com/2015/12/20/meet_the_fox_news_atheist_the_man_bill_oreilly_calls_a_fascist_and_sean_hannity_thinks_is_evil/ Meet the Fox News atheist — the man Bill O’Reilly calls ... http://www.salon.com/2015/12/20/meet_the_fox_news_atheist_the_man_bill_oreilly_calls_a_fascist_and_sean_hannity_thinks_is_evil/ Sean Hannity despises him. Actual Fox atheists want his autograph. David Silverman takes the fight to the enemy View on www.salon.com http://www.salon.com/2015/12/20/meet_the_fox_news_atheist_the_man_bill_oreilly_calls_a_fascist_and_sean_hannity_thinks_is_evil/ Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Over the past four decades, a substantial Muslim https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim community of mainly Moroccan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morocco descent has established itself in Molenbeek, particularly on the eastern inner-city side of the municipality. After several convicted and suspected terrorists were found to have lived in the suburb, Molenbeek received criticism in regards to combating Islamic terrorism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism and the radicalization of young Sunni Muslims, which has been taking place in private homes rather than in more open places such as mosques. 2004 Madrid train bombings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Madrid_train_bombings: Hassan El Haski, convicted as one of the masterminds of the 2004 Madrid train bombings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Madrid_train_bombings, had his home in Molenbeek for a while.[9] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sint-Jans-Molenbeek#cite_note-9 2012 stabbing of police: In June 2012, an individual inspired by propaganda of Sharia4Belgium https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia4Belgium (a Belgian radical Salafist movement originally from Antwerp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antwerp) stabbed two police officers in the Beekkant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beekkant metro station in Sint-Jans-Molenbeek. Both officers survived.[10] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sint-Jans-Molenbeek#cite_note-10 2014 Jewish Museum of Belgium shooting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Museum_of_Belgium_shooting: Mehdi Nemmouche, the suspect in the Jewish Museum of Belgium shooting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Museum_of_Belgium_shooting in May 2014, had stayed in Molenbeek.[11] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sint-Jans-Molenbeek#cite_note-11 Molenbeek was also where Nemmouche bought the weapons used in the attack.[12] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sint-Jans-Molenbeek#cite_note-NYT1-12 November 2015 Paris attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks: at least three of the terrorists, Brahim Abdeslam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahim_Abdeslam, his brother Salah Abdeslam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salah_Abdeslam, an alleged accomplice Mohamend Abrini and the alleged mastermind Abdelhamid Abaaoud https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdelhamid_Abaaoud are all men who grew up and lived in Molenbeek. And according to French President François Hollande https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Hollande that was also from where they organized the Paris attacks.Sint-Jans-Molenbeek - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sint-Jans-Molenbeek#cite_note-13 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sint-Jans-Molenbeek#cite_note-13 Sint-Jans-Molenbeek - Wikipedia, the free encycl... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sint-Jans-Molenbeek#cite_note-13 Sint-Jans-Molenbeek (Dutch, pronounced [sɪnt ˈjɑns ˈmoːləmˌbeːk] ( listen))[2] or Molenbeek-Saint-Jean (French, pronounced [molənbek sɛ̃ ʒɑ̃]) is one of... View on en.wikipedia.org https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sint-Jans-Molenbeek#cite_note-13 Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hmmm... kauravas vs. paandavas??
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Both the Fox News atheist and the Salon writer are now on my shit list. The atheist guy is quoted as saying: "Ninety percent of atheists don’t call themselves atheists; the real number [of atheists] isn’t 3 percent but 35 percent." The article writer elaborates: "(The Pew Research Center has documented the apparently unstoppable increase in the number of people without any religious affiliation, who now account for 23 percent of Americans, with millennials – go, millennials! – already at 35 percent)." So it's 35 percent not of Americans as a whole but just of millennials who are unaffiliated with a religion. E. Sloppy and very. I found that statistic, which I interpreted the way you state (35% of millennials as unaffiliated) interesting and consistent with the attitude of the millennials I am acquainted with. But the article writer also failed to point out that the "nones" (people without religious affiliation) are by no means all atheists. A significant majority believe in God; they just don't consider themselves members of a particular religion. E. Yep, sloppy. I'd put myself in that category...although I have no intention of discussing how I try to understand or interpreting those three letters. According to the Pew study, only 7 percent of religiously unaffiliated Americans are either atheists or agnostics. E. "Self-declared atheists or agnostics still make up a minority of all religious “nones.” But both atheists and agnostics are growing as a share of all religiously unaffiliated people, and together they now make up 7% of all U.S. adults (up from 4% in 2007). Nearly two-thirds of atheists and agnostics are men, and the group also tends to be whiter and more highly educated than the general population." Two-thirds are men; interesting statistic. If either of them had read anything substantial about the Pew study, they'd know that. It's been mentioned over and over. They're either just sloppy and lazy, or being deliberately deceptive. E. I used the word "sloppy" before I read your last statement here, and yes, sloppy and lazy and perhaps deceptive too in that the author of the article sounds like he has a position he was trying to bolster. His article should have been given a technical review by someone. Thanks for looking at the source material. I found this interesting: "The most critical flaw of faith, he told me, was the notion it offers of an “objective morality” – that is, unquestionable, immutable, heaven-decreed moral absolutes that cannot evolve as our consciousness does. “The lie of objective morality that make people do bad things and think they’re doing good,” with ISIS atrocities and attacks on abortion clinics serving as obvious examples thereof. Such murderers “think they’re doing God’s work, they think they’re doing good.” I disagree that the flaw is in "faith" in an of itself; however the influence of religious "objective morality" is interesting to me; could it be argued that his definition/interpretation of "objective morality" is potentially inaccurate in that it likely relies on a "literal" translation of religious text (something I have always been in disagreement with)? Karen Armstrong, in her book The Case for God, also argues against using a historical context for when and how the scriptures evolved and for what purpose. On the other side, to the extent that the reality is that so many branches of "religions" have evolved to reflect a rigid "fundamentalist" approach, it is an easy (though I believe simplistic and lazy) jump to make from blaming "religion" and "objective morality" as a source of "terrorist" behavior Thoughts? I asked why he chose the present moment to publish “Fighting God.” “We’re seeing this rise in religious hatred all over the world,” he said, “and a pushback against criticizing religion. Yet religion is the problem. We see its influence all over, in abortion, gay rights, climate change. In Europe, the rise of Islam” – especially with the influx of Muslim refugees – “is leading to the rise of firebrand atheism, as atheists are being pushed into realizing that they have something to fight, and something to defend. In Heidelberg and Basil and Zurich I spoke to packed crowds who wanted to know more about firebrand atheism because of the fear of the rise of Islam. Religion is hurting our species, it’s hurting the entire world, and yet we protect it. We need to put religion in its place, which is back in the church.” E. What do you think he means by this sentence (above)? http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/05/13/a-closer-look-at-americas-rapidly-growing-religious-nones/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Meet the Fox News atheist — the man Bill O’Reilly calls a fascist and Sean Hannity thinks is evil http://www.salon.com/201
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hmmm... kauravas vs. paandavas??
Forgive my spelling errors (smile). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Both the Fox News atheist and the Salon writer are now on my shit list. The atheist guy is quoted as saying: "Ninety percent of atheists don’t call themselves atheists; the real number [of atheists] isn’t 3 percent but 35 percent." The article writer elaborates: "(The Pew Research Center has documented the apparently unstoppable increase in the number of people without any religious affiliation, who now account for 23 percent of Americans, with millennials – go, millennials! – already at 35 percent)." So it's 35 percent not of Americans as a whole but just of millennials who are unaffiliated with a religion. E. Sloppy and very. I found that statistic, which I interpreted the way you state (35% of millennials as unaffiliated) interesting and consistent with the attitude of the millennials I am acquainted with. But the article writer also failed to point out that the "nones" (people without religious affiliation) are by no means all atheists. A significant majority believe in God; they just don't consider themselves members of a particular religion. E. Yep, sloppy. I'd put myself in that category...although I have no intention of discussing how I try to understand or interpreting those three letters. According to the Pew study, only 7 percent of religiously unaffiliated Americans are either atheists or agnostics. E. "Self-declared atheists or agnostics still make up a minority of all religious “nones.” But both atheists and agnostics are growing as a share of all religiously unaffiliated people, and together they now make up 7% of all U.S. adults (up from 4% in 2007). Nearly two-thirds of atheists and agnostics are men, and the group also tends to be whiter and more highly educated than the general population." Two-thirds are men; interesting statistic. If either of them had read anything substantial about the Pew study, they'd know that. It's been mentioned over and over. They're either just sloppy and lazy, or being deliberately deceptive. E. I used the word "sloppy" before I read your last statement here, and yes, sloppy and lazy and perhaps deceptive too in that the author of the article sounds like he has a position he was trying to bolster. His article should have been given a technical review by someone. Thanks for looking at the source material. I found this interesting: "The most critical flaw of faith, he told me, was the notion it offers of an “objective morality” – that is, unquestionable, immutable, heaven-decreed moral absolutes that cannot evolve as our consciousness does. “The lie of objective morality that make people do bad things and think they’re doing good,” with ISIS atrocities and attacks on abortion clinics serving as obvious examples thereof. Such murderers “think they’re doing God’s work, they think they’re doing good.” I disagree that the flaw is in "faith" in an of itself; however the influence of religious "objective morality" is interesting to me; could it be argued that his definition/interpretation of "objective morality" is potentially inaccurate in that it likely relies on a "literal" translation of religious text (something I have always been in disagreement with)? Karen Armstrong, in her book The Case for God, also argues against using a historical context for when and how the scriptures evolved and for what purpose. On the other side, to the extent that the reality is that so many branches of "religions" have evolved to reflect a rigid "fundamentalist" approach, it is an easy (though I believe simplistic and lazy) jump to make from blaming "religion" and "objective morality" as a source of "terrorist" behavior Thoughts? I asked why he chose the present moment to publish “Fighting God.” “We’re seeing this rise in religious hatred all over the world,” he said, “and a pushback against criticizing religion. Yet religion is the problem. We see its influence all over, in abortion, gay rights, climate change. In Europe, the rise of Islam” – especially with the influx of Muslim refugees – “is leading to the rise of firebrand atheism, as atheists are being pushed into realizing that they have something to fight, and something to defend. In Heidelberg and Basil and Zurich I spoke to packed crowds who wanted to know more about firebrand atheism because of the fear of the rise of Islam. Religion is hurting our species, it’s hurting the entire world, and yet we protect it. We need to put religion in its place, which is back in the church.” E. What do you think he means by this sentence (above)? http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/05/13/a-closer-look-at-americas-rapidly-growing-religious-nones/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Meet the Fox News atheist — the man
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?
My goodness. I could afford to live in Fairfield. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I have never before seen the claim that the ME will not work in a community of under 10,000. I imagine it's one of those things that got invented on the spot to explain why things don't work. See also, too much stress in collective consciousness etc. Bit embarrassing for them that it's been made public. That's actually pretty odd, since Fairfield itself numbers only about 9,500 people, which would mean that the ME has zero effect here, but is able, so to speak, to jump over Fairfield and affect other places in Iowa. That's one weird-acting ME! Is FF really that small? You must know everyone in town! Must be a friendly place too, unless you're sick of the sight of each other and spend all day hiding. My friends who have lived there say it's weird being so far from other towns compared to the UK where you can't walk for an hour without passing through several villages. More data: http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Reading through that all I'm down fine enough with the rebuttals further below. Sorry Sal you're so disgruntled with your experience. Best Regards from Fairfield, Iowa Thanks, I always enjoy best regards as opposed to the abuse I often get from our fellow forum members but what puzzles me is what experience it is that you are sympathising with me for? If it's my experience in meditation then there's no need because I get the same wild, breaking-on-through trips that everyone else does. There wouldn't be much point doing it otherwise. I expect it's the fact I'm not totally "on message" about the Marshy Effect as you are, but as I try to point out in my post there isn't any reason to be enthusiastic about it at all so I don;t feel the need to help them with their advertorial. I'd hope at least that came across. What did you think of the Deux ex Machina I highlighted? Ever come across such a pathetic excuse for why independent research didn't replicate the results of the claim? "Sorry you couldn't achieve social harmony in your test of our technology, even though we told you what to do we must have omitted to mention the one illogical thing that makes your experiment pointless" And it makes no sense that the ME should only work on big groups does it? This is what I mean by scientific filters, or controls as they are also called. I did start writing an extra paragraph there but abandoned it as it would have made the post too long and I thought I'd covered the main points. Those being is that science is about gathering data to support a hypothesis and that process has to be carried out in a particular way, and it has to be consistent. Apart from the fact a lot of the complainants accusations make a mockery of the usual standards by which social monitoring is carried out - a fact not convincingly explained by OJ - means it's a lot less likely that their conclusions can be supported. Most science is actually done in someone's head long before it gets near a lab, whether that lab is a particle accelerator a test tube or a war zone, there's a set of questions you have to ask yourself to make sure that you aren't fooling yourself. These questions will vary according to what you are proposing but basically follow a similar path. Is there a signal to be heard or is it random noise? Am I sure the data doesn't have a simpler explanation or one that someone hasn't already covered? Is there any data present that contradicts my hypothesis? Is it possible for people to replicate? Is my idea the best - simplest - way of explaining any data gathered? Am I just kidding myself? You get the general idea. I have many interests that the mainstream passes over like evidence of bicameralism in early human self-representation, it would be easy just to look for data that confirms that and ignore the rest but what would be the point? I'd be the only one I'm fooling so I keep my eyes open for contradictory information. When I read Marshy Effect research it makes me wonder whether the scientists involved are asking themselves similar control questions before they even start because if they have to invent Deux ex Machina as howlingly embarrassing and illogical as the one they passed on to the poor guy who had actually gone out of his way to try and replicate their claims, then they aren't doing science properly at all. (Please note there was no attempt to explain this in OJ's rebuttal) You may say that it's a small point but it's pivotal to the way they do things. The goalposts constantly shift and failures - the yagya programme for instance - are
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?
Love the landscape. But, I know nothing about farming or feed stores. :) I could probably make it work weather-wise. I would miss the good coffee houses. It might be a little too politically one-sided for me. :) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You could probably afford to live in eastern Washington too. It's about the same but would you really want to live there? On 12/20/2015 05:53 PM, emily.mae50@... mailto:emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: My goodness. I could afford to live in Fairfield. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I have never before seen the claim that the ME will not work in a community of under 10,000. I imagine it's one of those things that got invented on the spot to explain why things don't work. See also, too much stress in collective consciousness etc. Bit embarrassing for them that it's been made public. That's actually pretty odd, since Fairfield itself numbers only about 9,500 people, which would mean that the ME has zero effect here, but is able, so to speak, to jump over Fairfield and affect other places in Iowa. That's one weird-acting ME! Is FF really that small? You must know everyone in town!! Must be a friendly place too, unless you're sick of the sight of each other and spend all day hiding. My friends who have lived there say it's weird being so far from other towns compared to the UK where you can't walk for an hour without passing through several villages. More data: http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.htmlhttp://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Reading through that all I'm down fine enough with the rebuttals further below. Sorry Sal you're so disgruntled with your experience. Best Regards from Fairfield, Iowa Thanks, I always enjoy best regards as opposed to the abuse I often get from our fellow forum members but what puzzles me is what experience it is that you are sympathising with me for? If it's my experience in meditation then there's no need because I get the same wild, breaking-on-through trips that everyone else does. There wouldn't be much point doing it otherwise. I expect it's the fact I'm not totally "on message" about the Marshy Effect as you are, but as I try to point out in my post there isn't any reason to be enthusiastic about it at all so I don;t feel the need to help them with their advertorial. I'd hope at least that came across. What did you think of the Deux ex Machina I highlighted? Ever come across such a pathetic excuse for why independent research didn't replicate the results of the claim? "Sorry you couldn't achieve social harmony in your test of our technology, even though we told you what to do we must have omitted to mention the one illogical thing that makes your experiment pointless" And it makes no sense that the ME should only work on big groups does it? This is what I mean by scientific filters, or controls as they are also called. I did start writing an extra paragraph there but abandoned it as it would have made the post too long and I thought I'd c! overed the main points. Those being is that science is about gathering data to support a hypothesis and that process has to be carried out in a particular way, and it has to be consistent. Apart from the fact a lot of the complainants accusations make a mockery of the usual standards by which social monitoring is carried out - a fact not convincingly explained by OJ - means it's a lot less likely that their conclusions can be supported. Most science is actually done in someone's head long before it gets near a lab, whether that lab is a particle accelerator a test tube or a war zone, there's a set of questions you have to ask yourself to make sure that you aren't fooling yourself. These questions will vary according to what you are proposing but basically follow a similar path. Is there a signal to be heard or is it random noise? Am I sure the data doesn't have a simpler explanation or one that someone hasn't already covered? Is there any data present that contradicts my hypothesis? Is it possible for people to replicate? Is my idea the best - simplest - way of explaining any data gathered? Am I just kidding myself? You get the general idea. I have many interests that the mainstream passes over like evidence of
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hmmm... kauravas vs. paandavas??
Ohhh...back in "church" as to avoid politicizing or carrying it into the legal realm, for example. I was using my own interpretation of what he meant instead of seeing his mindset. My mindit was interpreting that sentence as if it said "leave one's faith at the door when you leave the church." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Forgive my spelling errors (smile). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Both the Fox News atheist and the Salon writer are now on my shit list. The atheist guy is quoted as saying: "Ninety percent of atheists don’t call themselves atheists; the real number [of atheists] isn’t 3 percent but 35 percent." The article writer elaborates: "(The Pew Research Center has documented the apparently unstoppable increase in the number of people without any religious affiliation, who now account for 23 percent of Americans, with millennials – go, millennials! – already at 35 percent)." So it's 35 percent not of Americans as a whole but just of millennials who are unaffiliated with a religion. E. Sloppy and very. I found that statistic, which I interpreted the way you state (35% of millennials as unaffiliated) interesting and consistent with the attitude of the millennials I am acquainted with. But the article writer also failed to point out that the "nones" (people without religious affiliation) are by no means all atheists. A significant majority believe in God; they just don't consider themselves members of a particular religion. E. Yep, sloppy. I'd put myself in that category...although I have no intention of discussing how I try to understand or interpreting those three letters. According to the Pew study, only 7 percent of religiously unaffiliated Americans are either atheists or agnostics. E. "Self-declared atheists or agnostics still make up a minority of all religious “nones.” But both atheists and agnostics are growing as a share of all religiously unaffiliated people, and together they now make up 7% of all U.S. adults (up from 4% in 2007). Nearly two-thirds of atheists and agnostics are men, and the group also tends to be whiter and more highly educated than the general population." Two-thirds are men; interesting statistic. If either of them had read anything substantial about the Pew study, they'd know that. It's been mentioned over and over. They're either just sloppy and lazy, or being deliberately deceptive. E. I used the word "sloppy" before I read your last statement here, and yes, sloppy and lazy and perhaps deceptive too in that the author of the article sounds like he has a position he was trying to bolster. His article should have been given a technical review by someone. Thanks for looking at the source material. I found this interesting: "The most critical flaw of faith, he told me, was the notion it offers of an “objective morality” – that is, unquestionable, immutable, heaven-decreed moral absolutes that cannot evolve as our consciousness does. “The lie of objective morality that make people do bad things and think they’re doing good,” with ISIS atrocities and attacks on abortion clinics serving as obvious examples thereof. Such murderers “think they’re doing God’s work, they think they’re doing good.” I disagree that the flaw is in "faith" in an of itself; however the influence of religious "objective morality" is interesting to me; could it be argued that his definition/interpretation of "objective morality" is potentially inaccurate in that it likely relies on a "literal" translation of religious text (something I have always been in disagreement with)? Karen Armstrong, in her book The Case for God, also argues against using a historical context for when and how the scriptures evolved and for what purpose. On the other side, to the extent that the reality is that so many branches of "religions" have evolved to reflect a rigid "fundamentalist" approach, it is an easy (though I believe simplistic and lazy) jump to make from blaming "religion" and "objective morality" as a source of "terrorist" behavior Thoughts? I asked why he chose the present moment to publish “Fighting God.” “We’re seeing this rise in religious hatred all over the world,” he said, “and a pushback against criticizing religion. Yet religion is the problem. We see its influence all over, in abortion, gay rights, climate change. In Europe, the rise of Islam” – especially with the influx of Muslim refugees – “is leading to the rise of firebrand atheism, as atheists are being pushed into realizing that they have something to fight, and something to defend. In Heidelberg and Basil and Zurich I spoke to packed crowds who wanted to know more about firebrand atheism because of the fear of the rise of Islam. Religion is hurting our species, it’s hurting the entire wo
Re: [FairfieldLife] How NOT to be an Emcee for a Beauty Contest
This is Steve Garvey: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : MD, There's actually a good way of looking at this incident, and there may be cosmic reason why Steve Garvey, a comedian, was selected to be an emcee for the Miss Universe contest. I just cast the horoscope of the event yesterday. It turned out that Mars and Rahu are in conjunction in Virgo. But Mars and Mercury have exchanged houses. Therefore, Mercury is effectively in conjunction with Rahu. Since Mercury signifies humor and Rahu signifies confusion, the net effect is a cosmic joke for the participants in the event. However, the conjunction actually did some serious damage in another part of Las Vegas, where the contest was held. Last night, a woman, while driving her car, decided to run over people who were walking on the casino strip. There were about 30 people who were injured and it was lucky nobody died. The police are still investigating the woman's motive for doing so. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Poor guy couldn't *f* that up any more. Kind of makes you feel bad for everyone. From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 2:51 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] How NOT to be an Emcee for a Beauty Contest The emcee flubbed the announcement of the winner. Then, when he tweeted about the mistake, he misspelled the countries of the contestants as well. Do you think he'll do this gig ever again? Steve Harvey’s Miss Universe Blunder: Why He Needs to Do Damage Control in the Next 24 Hours https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/steve-harvey-s-miss-universe-1326150459326518.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/steve-harvey-s-miss-universe-1326150459326518.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma Steve Harvey’s Miss Universe Blunder: Why He Needs to... https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/steve-harvey-s-miss-universe-1326150459326518.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma With just days to go until 2016, Steve Harvey swooped in and stole the most embarrassing TV moment of 2015. By now you know that the well-liked c... View on www.yahoo.com https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/steve-harvey-s-miss-universe-1326150459326518.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media
HEAR HEAR! He is *exactly* who he presents himself as. He has no principles (none of merit, anyhow)! And that's the truth, and you can believe mebecause..I made a lot of money and everyone likes me and you are disgusting. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Although I like some of his assertions, I don't yet know what his principles are. How can we elect someone without knowing their principle political view? Salon Monday, Dec 21, 2015 3:27 PM UTC The media needs to stop telling this lie about Donald Trump. I’m a Sanders supporter — and value honesty Trump's words on Mexicans have been misconstrued by all sides. This liberal, Puerto Rican professor says enough Alberto A. Martinez http://www.salon.com/?post_type=writer&p=14290300 It’s time to start cleaning up the mess of misinterpretations about Donald Trump. Back in June, I first saw Mr. Trump announcing his candidacy for president. What he said about unauthorized immigrants seemed ridiculous so I laughed. I showed the video to friends, and I laughed again. His words were poorly chosen. But something worse happened. People interpreted Trump’s words in the most awful and offensive ways. In one of my courses, at the University of Texas at Austin, I asked my students: “What has Donald Trump said that you found most offensive?” One student raised her hand high: “He said that all Mexicans are rapists.” I asked a coworker the same question. He replied: “He said that all Mexican immigrants are rapists.” I explained that Trump said no such thing. This is what Trump said: “When do we beat Mexico at the border? They’re laughing at us, at our stupidity. […] When Mexico sends its people they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you; they’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists, and some, I assume, are good people. But I speak to border guards and they tell us what we’re getting.” You might well dislike Trump’s words. I did. But let’s not make it worse. He did not say that all Mexicans are rapists. Yet that’s what many commentators did. For example, Politico misquoted Trump by omitting his phrase about “good people.” They said he was “demonizing Mexicans as rapists.” They argued that Mexicans do not really commit more rapes in the U.S. than whites. But that’s not what Trump claimed. Similarly, other news sources misrepresented his words in offensive ways: The New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/27/opinion/sunday/donald-trump-and-the-rise-of-the-moral-minority.html?_r=0: “Trump’s claim that illegal Mexican immigrants are ‘rapists.” Time http://time.com/4050914/1965-immigration-act-pew/ Magazine: “Trump’s comment that Mexican immigrants are ‘rapists.’” Associated Press http://bigstory.ap.org/article/8fb9556f269e49e7818981f457a0f592/ap-gfk-poll-republicans-view-donald-trump-most-electable: “Trump called Mexican immigrants rapists and criminals” CBS News http://www.cbsnews.com/news/election-2016-donald-trump-defends-calling-mexican-immigrants-rapists/: “Trump defends calling Mexican immigrants ‘rapists.’” L.A. Times: http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/showtracker/la-et-st-donald-trump-saturday-night-live-host-20151026-story.html “describing Mexican immigrants as ‘rapists.’” Fortune http://fortune.com/2015/10/31/donald-trump-hosting-snl-u-s-politics/: “in a speech branding Mexican immigrants as criminals and rapists.” Hollywood Reporter http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/donald-trump-talks-nbc-univision-837940: “he referred to Mexican immigrants as ‘rapists.’” Huffington Post http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/9-outrageous-things-donald-trump-has-said-about-latinos_55e483a1e4b0c818f618904b: “He called Latino immigrants ‘criminals’ and ‘rapists.’” The Washington Post https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/its-not-chaos-its-trumps-campaign-strategy/2015/12/09/9005a5be-9d68-11e5-8728-1af6af208198_story.html: “He referred to Mexicans as “rapists.” Compare such words with Trump’s words. Which is worse? Writers excerpted the phrase: “they’re rapists,” as if it were about all Mexican unauthorized immigrants, or worse, about all Mexican immigrants, or even worst, about all Mexicans. But that’s not what he said. That’s not what he meant. It was just a remark about some of the criminals crossing the border. The trick for misrepresenting Trump’s words can be used against anyone. For example, on October 7, at a Democratic debate, Hillary Clinton answered the question: “Which enemy are you most proud of?” She replied: “In addition to the NRA, um, the health insurance companies, the drug companies, um, the Iranians.” If you do to her what the media did to Trump, then you should believe that Hillary Clinton is proud to be the enemy of 77
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media
Which is one reason why I personally think Obama is one of the best presidents we've had in my lifetime! MERRY CHRISTMAS!! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : HEAR HEAR! He is *exactly* who he presents himself as. He has no principles (none of merit, anyhow)! And that's the truth, and you can believe mebecause..I made a lot of money and everyone likes me and you are disgusting. Empty says he doesn't know "what his principles are"? Of course you do, Pants. Someone's "principle political view" is irrelevant if their personhood stinks. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Although I like some of his assertions, I don't yet know what his principles are. How can we elect someone without knowing their principle political view? Salon Monday, Dec 21, 2015 3:27 PM UTC The media needs to stop telling this lie about Donald Trump. I’m a Sanders supporter — and value honesty Trump's words on Mexicans have been misconstrued by all sides. This liberal, Puerto Rican professor says enough Alberto A. Martinez http://www.salon.com/?post_type=writer&p=14290300 It’s time to start cleaning up the mess of misinterpretations about Donald Trump. Back in June, I first saw Mr. Trump announcing his candidacy for president. What he said about unauthorized immigrants seemed ridiculous so I laughed. I showed the video to friends, and I laughed again. His words were poorly chosen. But something worse happened. People interpreted Trump’s words in the most awful and offensive ways. In one of my courses, at the University of Texas at Austin, I asked my students: “What has Donald Trump said that you found most offensive?” One student raised her hand high: “He said that all Mexicans are rapists.” I asked a coworker the same question. He replied: “He said that all Mexican immigrants are rapists.” I explained that Trump said no such thing. This is what Trump said: “When do we beat Mexico at the border? They’re laughing at us, at our stupidity. […] When Mexico sends its people they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you; they’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists, and some, I assume, are good people. But I speak to border guards and they tell us what we’re getting.” You might well dislike Trump’s words. I did. But let’s not make it worse. He did not say that all Mexicans are rapists. Yet that’s what many commentators did. For example, Politico misquoted Trump by omitting his phrase about “good people.” They said he was “demonizing Mexicans as rapists.” They argued that Mexicans do not really commit more rapes in the U.S. than whites. But that’s not what Trump claimed. Similarly, other news sources misrepresented his words in offensive ways: The New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/27/opinion/sunday/donald-trump-and-the-rise-of-the-moral-minority.html?_r=0: “Trump’s claim that illegal Mexican immigrants are ‘rapists.” Time http://time.com/4050914/1965-immigration-act-pew/ Magazine: “Trump’s comment that Mexican immigrants are ‘rapists.’” Associated Press http://bigstory.ap.org/article/8fb9556f269e49e7818981f457a0f592/ap-gfk-poll-republicans-view-donald-trump-most-electable: “Trump called Mexican immigrants rapists and criminals” CBS News http://www.cbsnews.com/news/election-2016-donald-trump-defends-calling-mexican-immigrants-rapists/: “Trump defends calling Mexican immigrants ‘rapists.’” L.A. Times: http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/showtracker/la-et-st-donald-trump-saturday-night-live-host-20151026-story.html “describing Mexican immigrants as ‘rapists.’” Fortune http://fortune.com/2015/10/31/donald-trump-hosting-snl-u-s-politics/: “in a speech branding Mexican immigrants as criminals and rapists.” Hollywood Reporter http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/donald-trump-talks-nbc-univision-837940: “he referred to Mexican immigrants as ‘rapists.’” Huffington Post http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/9-outrageous-things-donald-trump-has-said-about-latinos_55e483a1e4b0c818f618904b: “He called Latino immigrants ‘criminals’ and ‘rapists.’” The Washington Post https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/its-not-chaos-its-trumps-campaign-strategy/2015/12/09/9005a5be-9d68-11e5-8728-1af6af208198_story.html: “He referred to Mexicans as “rapists.” Compare such words with Trump’s words. Which is worse? Writers excerpted the phrase: “they’re rapists,” as if it were about all Mexican unauthorized immigrants, or worse, about all Mexican immigrants, or even worst, about all Mexicans. But that’s not what he said. That’s not what he meant. It was just a remark about some of the criminals crossing the border. The trick for misrepresenting Trump’s words c
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media
Re: "This is the very reason the Democrats want ever increasing *gun control*. They don't enforce the laws on the books as it is because they want the ability to completely confiscate all weapons at a moments notice." Mike, you are completely irrational here. It's amusing that you can't see it. Try to relax and breathe deeply maybe. Listen to the Pentatonics, try to dance like the guy in the Lonely Boy video. Look within..:) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I'm glad that it scares the *beejebers* out of you and I hope it does the same for many more! The second amendment was not just for personal protection, hobbyists or for hunting rights, it was to protect the citizenry from a tyrannical government. When a government starts confiscating the people's hard earned wealth and property to redistribute and political parties use that *wealth* to buy votes and takes away or threatens peoples rights and freedoms guaranteed to them in the constitution, it is playing with fire. This is the very reason the Democrats want ever increasing *gun control*. They don't enforce the laws on the books as it is because they want the ability to completely confiscate all weapons at a moments notice. Until then, their power grabs have to be incremental and modest occurring over generations. Yes, I want you to fear that mindset and would prefer that others like you move to Canada or elsewhere. From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that, because a person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*, that they are racist and that they oppose those policies because the person implementing them has dark skin. How simple minded can you get? If you are white, I would have to believe that you are seriously suffering from *white guilt* and trying to absolve yourself by leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that we need a *woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society. This is meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low information* voter, an appeal to the emotions of the ignorant. Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades, more people are on government assistance than ever. Damn the fact that our current president has more than doubled the national debt of all other presidents before him with nothing to show for it, that we owe much of that debt to China. That money generating businesses are leaving our country in droves. Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories back to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable allies don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous terrorists that had been locked up have been returned to the battle field to continue killing again. Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come here, without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens, while subsidizing the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants* with government social program hand outs that cost all other tax payers. Damn the fact that because of him, the people have put more Republicans in office than any time since the end of the civil war with nothing to show for it because they fear being labeled *racist* and give him just about anything he wants including another trillion dollar plus budget this year. Ollie, you have got to be kidding me! You are one of these low information voters that have drunk the Kool-aide. Of course, any one with a brain can figure out that the purpose of these policies is to bring about a complete collapse of the current social and economic system in place and replacing it with the purest form of socialism which will not redistribute wealth but redistribute poverty and suffering. Be careful of what you wish for. The *right* is armed and dangerous and will only tolerate so much of the left's shenanigans. This is exactly the mindset, the one that you voice here, that scares the bejeebers out of me, Mike. Add that to the fact that you claim those "on the right" are "armed and dangerous" isn't lessening this feeling I have. That's all America needs, is a bunch of Kool Aid drunk right wingers emerging from their villages with flaming torches, pitchforks and no teeth (thanks to unaffordable health and dental) and screaming for banishment of those seeking asylum in the US and to rid the country of "socialistic" programs. You live in a dreamworld, Mike. Not one thing you say here is, I believe, true but it sure gives me a glimpse into one mindset present day US residents have
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media
That's funny. There was a visiting conductor of a music concert I went to this holiday season that was Canadian. He apologized for the way he was dressed. :) (Comfortably casual). He also said (tongue-in-cheek) that he hoped the US didn't build a wall between itself and Canada so that future musical collaboration could continue. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I don't know much about Canada -- is it really full of nice, quiet, polite people? I believe so. They don't have anyone like Emptypants or even bawee (God, how I miss him) but they do have a couple of Mike equivalents. In fact, I got into quite a brouhaha with a sloppy thinker on, of all places, FB the other day and we had a good shouting match - she all huffy about not wanting anyone in the country except those who were born in Canada because only they were "true Canadians". Given her last name, I highly doubt her parents were born in Canada, but that is another story. So, there is the odd bigoted 'fraidy cat but generally Canadians are dressed in plaid, drink Rye and walk around in the middle of winter in shorts and tee shirts all the while asking your pardon for the slightest inconvenience they might or might not be causing you. I have to be careful about what I say about Texas because about 75% of my income comes from there. Businesses relocate or spring up there, I believe, because it is a good business environment, with low taxes. Also, Texans carry those bigger guns so be careful, Feste. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You're out of control, Mike! This is crazy. Careful, you might be forced to move to Canada, Feste, once those guys with the torches and pitchforks come after you... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I'm glad that it scares the *beejebers* out of you and I hope it does the same for many more! The second amendment was not just for personal protection, hobbyists or for hunting rights, it was to protect the citizenry from a tyrannical government. When a government starts confiscating the people's hard earned wealth and property to redistribute and political parties use that *wealth* to buy votes and takes away or threatens peoples rights and freedoms guaranteed to them in the constitution, it is playing with fire. This is the very reason the Democrats want ever increasing *gun control*. They don't enforce the laws on the books as it is because they want the ability to completely confiscate all weapons at a moments notice. Until then, their power grabs have to be incremental and modest occurring over generations. Yes, I want you to fear that mindset and would prefer that others like you move to Canada or elsewhere. From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that, because a person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*, that they are racist and that they oppose those policies because the person implementing them has dark skin. How simple minded can you get? If you are white, I would have to believe that you are seriously suffering from *white guilt* and trying to absolve yourself by leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that we need a *woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society. This is meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low information* voter, an appeal to the emotions of the ignorant. Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades, more people are on government assistance than ever. Damn the fact that our current president has more than doubled the national debt of all other presidents before him with nothing to show for it, that we owe much of that debt to China. That money generating businesses are leaving our country in droves. Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories back to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable allies don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous terrorists that had been locked up have been returned to the battle field to continue killing again. Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come here, without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens, while subsidizing the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants* with government social program hand outs that cost all other tax payers. Damn the fact that because of him, the people have put more Republicans in office than any time since the end of the civil war
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There would be no point. I quoted back to you the most obvious lines. You are taking an extreme position that is completely fabricated by the ultra-right wing extremist literature you feed into your brain and anything that falls outside of your very narrow view is immediately rejected. You get an adrenaline rush out of reiterating these crazy notions, I guess. I looked up "Do Democrats want to confiscate all guns" and found those exact words surrounded by all kinds of extreme rhetoric. Gun control is not about "confiscating all weapons at a moment's notice." Methinks you are brainwashed if that's what you believe. http://www.forwardprogressives.com/enough-nobody-wants-to-take-away-your-damn-guns/ http://www.forwardprogressives.com/enough-nobody-wants-to-take-away-your-damn-guns/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Explain why I'm irrational. From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media Re: "This is the very reason the Democrats want ever increasing *gun control*. They don't enforce the laws on the books as it is because they want the ability to completely confiscate all weapons at a moments notice." Mike, you are completely irrational here. It's amusing that you can't see it. Try to relax and breathe deeply maybe. Listen to the Pentatonics, try to dance like the guy in the Lonely Boy video. Look within..:) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I'm glad that it scares the *beejebers* out of you and I hope it does the same for many more! The second amendment was not just for personal protection, hobbyists or for hunting rights, it was to protect the citizenry from a tyrannical government. When a government starts confiscating the people's hard earned wealth and property to redistribute and political parties use that *wealth* to buy votes and takes away or threatens peoples rights and freedoms guaranteed to them in the constitution, it is playing with fire. This is the very reason the Democrats want ever increasing *gun control*. They don't enforce the laws on the books as it is because they want the ability to completely confiscate all weapons at a moments notice. Until then, their power grabs have to be incremental and modest occurring over generations. Yes, I want you to fear that mindset and would prefer that others like you move to Canada or elsewhere. From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that, because a person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*, that they are racist and that they oppose those policies because the person implementing them has dark skin. How simple minded can you get? If you are white, I would have to believe that you are seriously suffering from *white guilt* and trying to absolve yourself by leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that we need a *woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society. This is meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low information* voter, an appeal to the emotions of the ignorant. Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades, more people are on government assistance than ever. Damn the fact that our current president has more than doubled the national debt of all other presidents before him with nothing to show for it, that we owe much of that debt to China. That money generating businesses are leaving our country in droves. Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories back to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable allies don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous terrorists that had been locked up have been returned to the battle field to continue killing again. Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come here, without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens, while subsidizing the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants* with government social program hand outs that cost all other tax payers. Damn the fact that because of him, the people have put more Republicans in office than any time since the end of the civil war with nothing to show for it because they fear being labeled *racist* and give him just about anything he wants including another trillion dollar plus budget this year. Ollie, you have got to be kidding me! You are one of these low information voters that have drunk the Kool-aide. Of course, any one with a br
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Really? You read Ann Coulter? She spews pure invective. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : PS: courtesy of Ann Coulter
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I'm a busy woman. You aren't sounding like you read the article I posted. Balance, my good and fearful man, balance. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You looked it up? Really?You just looked *it * up. Didn't take you very long. From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media There would be no point. I quoted back to you the most obvious lines. You are taking an extreme position that is completely fabricated by the ultra-right wing extremist literature you feed into your brain and anything that falls outside of your very narrow view is immediately rejected. You get an adrenaline rush out of reiterating these crazy notions, I guess. I looked up "Do Democrats want to confiscate all guns" and found those exact words surrounded by all kinds of extreme rhetoric. Gun control is not about "confiscating all weapons at a moment's notice." Methinks you are brainwashed if that's what you believe. http://www.forwardprogressives.com/enough-nobody-wants-to-take-away-your-damn-guns/ http://www.forwardprogressives.com/enough-nobody-wants-to-take-away-your-damn-guns/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Explain why I'm irrational. From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media Re: "This is the very reason the Democrats want ever increasing *gun control*. They don't enforce the laws on the books as it is because they want the ability to completely confiscate all weapons at a moments notice." Mike, you are completely irrational here. It's amusing that you can't see it. Try to relax and breathe deeply maybe. Listen to the Pentatonics, try to dance like the guy in the Lonely Boy video. Look within..:) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I'm glad that it scares the *beejebers* out of you and I hope it does the same for many more! The second amendment was not just for personal protection, hobbyists or for hunting rights, it was to protect the citizenry from a tyrannical government. When a government starts confiscating the people's hard earned wealth and property to redistribute and political parties use that *wealth* to buy votes and takes away or threatens peoples rights and freedoms guaranteed to them in the constitution, it is playing with fire. This is the very reason the Democrats want ever increasing *gun control*. They don't enforce the laws on the books as it is because they want the ability to completely confiscate all weapons at a moments notice. Until then, their power grabs have to be incremental and modest occurring over generations. Yes, I want you to fear that mindset and would prefer that others like you move to Canada or elsewhere. From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that, because a person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*, that they are racist and that they oppose those policies because the person implementing them has dark skin. How simple minded can you get? If you are white, I would have to believe that you are seriously suffering from *white guilt* and trying to absolve yourself by leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that we need a *woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society. This is meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low information* voter, an appeal to the emotions of the ignorant. Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher than ever, that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades, more people are on government assistance than ever. Damn the fact that our current president has more than doubled the national debt of all other presidents before him with nothing to show for it, that we owe much of that debt to China. That money generating businesses are leaving our country in droves. Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories back to our enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable allies don't trust the word of our leaders. That once dangerous terrorists that had been locked up have been returned to the battle field to continue killing again. Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come here, without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens, while subsidizing the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants* with government social program hand outs that cost all other tax
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That's good...:) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
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Well, you missed a good one. A mix of irony, humor, reality and fact. I left what would likely be the most "offensive" parts to you in the article and cut out and am posting the reality, for the record. A counter to the illusionary and delusionary "rags" you feed your malleable brain. There's a nice little "conservative commentary" at the end that reminds me of you. :) "But what I will do is repeat something I’ve said plenty of times. President Obama does not want to take away your damn guns. No, the the Second Amendment isn’t under attack. Under the plan Obama spoke of back in January you could still own thousands of guns. You could still own bullets. Hell, you could still own semi-automatics. There was absolutely no limit on how many guns you could own. What Obama proposed was the same assault weapon ban we had until just a few years ago. Did the world end, and tyranny take over, because of this ban? No. It’s the very same ban George W. Bush has been quoted as saying he felt should have been renewed in 2004. A ban on the same weapons George H. Bush and Ronald Reagan both said had no place in the hands of ordinary civilians. President Obama also said he supported a ban on magazines that hold more than 10 rounds. You don’t need more than 10 bullets to hunt or defend yourself—and if you do, you probably shouldn’t be operating any kind of firearms to begin with. Sorry sport shooters, I can’t support high-capacity magazines simply for sport shooting. Ranges can be allowed to own these for sport purposes, but they shouldn’t be privately owned. He also supported universal background checks. What kind of delusional fools oppose a background check for all gun purchases? Well, we know which Senators oppose this law. Thankfully over 80% of Americans don’t. But seriously, you can’t even debate against universal background checks and if you try, you’re just proving your own ignorance. Another thing he proposed was funding for enhanced resources to prevent mentally ill people from obtaining guns. Again, what imbecile opposes actions that seek to prevent mentally ill individuals from obtaining dangerous weapons? He said we need increased funding for more law enforcement officers, funding to provide researchers the resources to study why people do these heinous acts and funding for schools to have armed security on campus if they so wish. None of that is an attack on the Second Amendment, it’s called using common sense. Just because our Constitution gives us a right, doesn’t mean that right can’t have problems that need solutions. I support the right for gun ownership as a gun owner myself, but I also support sensible regulations of that right to try and prevent some of these horrific acts of violence. Here’s my example of the difference between a liberal and a conservative talking about guns: Liberal: I believe in sensible gun regulations that limit high-capacity magazines and some semi-automatic rifles. I believe that Americans have the right to own handguns for self-defense and rifles for hunting. However, I believe the selling of guns and their ammunition should be regulated with background checks to ensure the wrong people can’t simply walk into a gun show or their local Walmart and illegally purchase these items. Conservative: Socialist liberals just want to turn law-abiding citizens into criminals. You know Hitler banned guns too, right? Bacon kills people every year, guess you people believe we should ban bacon? Obesity kills people every day, should we ban the spoons people use to eat with? Guns don’t kill people, people kill people. The only way to stop bad people with guns, are good people with guns. Our government fears an armed populace! You’ll get my guns when you take them from my cold dead hands. Do you see the difference? I know it’s subtle." Read more at: http://www.forwardprogressives.com/enough-nobody-wants-to-take-away-your-damn-guns/ http://www.forwardprogressives.com/enough-nobody-wants-to-take-away-your-damn-guns/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Honey chil' , I didn't waste my time reading your little article. The debate for gun control has gone on for decades. I've heard it all. The fact is, liberals know they can't get every thing they want at once. Everything they want has to be done incrementally, little by little. All you have to do is go back over the years here on FFL and see what liberals want in regards to gun control. From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media I'm a busy woman. You aren't sounding like you read the article I posted. Balance, my good and fearful man, balance. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You looked it up? Really?You just looked *it
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No, "Obama" did not. Yes, he nominates (not appoints) members. Per Politifact: "It’s not Obama’s NLRB," said William Gould, who chaired the labor board for over four years during the Clinton administration and is now a law professor at Stanford Law School. Gould disagreed with the NLRB decision to open hearings against Boeing but says the White House would be far removed from those activities. "It’s an independent quasi-judicial administrative agency," Gould said. "I am sure that the White House had absolutely nothing to do with this. During my 53-plus months, we never heard anything from the White House." Indeed, we could find no evidence that the White House intervened. The president’s spokesman, Jay Carney, told reporters "this was not something the president was involved in." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You left out a couple of other conditions as to why it is cheaper to do business overseas. Not just government regulation but also taxation and Unions. Union demands have been unreasonable in many cases. Many unions make so many demands that businesses just find it worthwhile to shut down here and reopen in a foreign country and ship their products back here. Unions drove the textile industry out of the US and overseas many years ago. The same is going for various other manufacturing industries. Who was it, Boeing, that wanted to move their operations from Washington state to North or South Carolina where they would be in a right to work state. As far as I remember Obama put a stop to that. From: "Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media No, the rope in this tug-a-war just needs to be pulled to a little too the left. It's gone too far right and so far into the hands of the 0.001%. Even a lot "conservatives" dislike that. You seem to be one of the few still stuck in this "rich good, poor bad" Tarzan think that 0.001%'er Rupert Murdoch promotes. And Mike, the guy I do some software projects for started outsourcing several years ago. It had nothing to do with government regulations because software development is pretty much "hands off" when it comes to government. It's just that the cost of living in some of these countries is lower and so these companies can charge far less for a project yet their workers still live well. The high cost of living in the US is out of whack and artificial due to credit. Economists will tell you the last time it was in balance was the mid 1970s. Back then you could still earn minimum wage yet enjoy life. On 12/27/2015 08:08 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... mailto:mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Raul Castro? Is this some kind of straw man argument? Your entire Democratic party is advocating socialism without using the word. Bernzie being the exception. They all want the same thing, total government control by taxation or regulation. Obama and Clinton are only centrists from a Bernzie Sander's point of view. You're not in favor of *handouts* but we don't hand out enough. Right! Quite frankly, it's cheaper to do business over seas than the US due to government regulation, taxation and union demands, more Democratic meddling. From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" mailto:olliesedwuz@...[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 7:04 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media "the far left"??!? As in similar in political outlook to say, Raul Castro of Cuba?? And who, exactly, in the US Government, has advocated, or worse, acted on, such an ideological vision? I am pretty confident I can wait here for days without a name from you, even down to the level of city dogcatcher, because *they don't exist*. Obama is a centrist, like Clinton was. The only difference is the color of his skin. His concern over the demise of social programs is well founded, when our previous President advocated the destruction of Social Security. "Put it all in the stock market", he and his cronies said, and he would have, but he had no mandate from Congress. A good thing, as we would have had millions in the street when the market crashed. I am not in favor of handouts, but the current Republican domestic philosophy, and tax policy, seems to be, "I got mine, screw you", justified on the basis of some waste and corruption wrt social services programs. A very cold-hearted way of thinking, and obviously biased when no such scrutiny is applied to say, military programs, or corporate welfare. The Republicans scream about losing American jobs, while advocating constantly for ways to ship jobs overseas. It is ironic that the only thing keeping our economy afloat are all the c
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Re: "While taxes were reduced, revenues more than doubled." The argument that the near-doubling of revenues during Reagan's two terms proves the value of tax cuts is an old argument. It's also extremely flawed. At 99.6 percent, revenues did nearly double during the 80s. However, they had likewise doubled during EVERY SINGLE DECADE SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION! They went up 502.4% during the 40's, 134.5% during the 50's, 108.5% during the 60's, and 168.2% during the 70's. At 96.2 percent, they nearly doubled in the 90s as well. Hence, claiming that the Reagan tax cuts caused the doubling of revenues is like a rooster claiming credit for the dawn. Furthermore, the receipts from individual income taxes (the only receipts directly affected by the tax cuts) went up a lower 91.3 percent during the 80's. Meanwhile, receipts from Social Insurance, which are directly affected by the FICA tax rate, went up 140.8 percent. This large increase was largely due to the fact that the FICA tax rate went up 25% from 6.13 to 7.65 percent of payroll. The reference to the doubling of revenues under Reagan commonly refers to TOTAL revenues. These include the above-mentioned Social Insurance revenues for which the tax rate went UP. It seems highly hypocritical to include these revenues (which were likely bolstered by the tax hike) as proof for the effectiveness of a tax cut. Hence, what evidence there is suggests there to be a correlation between lower taxes and LOWER revenues, not HIGHER revenues as suggested by supply-siders. There may well be valid arguments in favor of tax cuts. But higher tax revenues does not appear to be one of them. http://www.econdataus.com/taxcuts.html http://www.econdataus.com/taxcuts.html ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : By the end of the seventies we had a stagnate economy with high interest rates and high rate of inflation.BTW Nixon was a liberal Republican followed by Ford , not much better then Carter who saw the economy crater .Yes, in the Reagan era, a lot of wealth was created but I'm not sure how you can say it didn't benefit the country. All kinds of jobs were created. It was the largest expansion of the economy we had ever seen. While taxes were reduced, revenues more than doubled. Perhaps you mean there weren't more or enough *freebies* handed out as gifts to voters. At the same time, Reagan drove the Soviet Union into bankruptcy trying to keep up with our rebuilding of our military. The cold war ended along with Soviet communism and the Iron curtain fell. Oh yes, I'll say what I will about unions. Their purpose has served it's time and are now out dated. They are a bunch of crooks. I was a member of a union for 28 years. I don't know where you get the idea that without them, companies don't reinvest in themselves. That is how companies grow. I'll agree that in many cases CEO can be over compensated. However, they are responsible for insuring that a company makes a profit and keep investors happy and investing. BTW, many union pension funds are invested in companies that rely on those profits to pay pensions for more than their own workers. Your average union pension is probably heavily invested in companies they like to demonize. From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media I remember back in the 1970's, when communications, travel, and banking were all regulated by the Feds. Nobody thought of it as socialism, and the industries so regulated were guaranteed a profit. In the post - Reagan era of deregulation, there has been a lot of wealth created, but very little of it has benefited the country as a whole. In fact one of the major effects of deregulation has been the wholesale destruction of the unions, and any upward pressure on wages. Say what you will about unions, but they are the only mechanism the little guy has, for increasing that paycheck. Without them, profits do not get reinvested in companies. Instead, CEOs in their blind quest to become ever richer, use them for stock buybacks, artificially boosting the company's equity and earning themselves fat bonuses, again. No one in the US is advocating socialism, nor are Obama and Clinton "lefties". The idea is laughable. Clinton's NAFTA deal and others were largely responsible for knocking down trade barriers, and sending millions of jobs overseas. I resent this idea started by the B actor Reagan that the Federal Government is too big and corrupt to get anything done, including the management of social programs. It is poisonous thinking, and very anti-social for the country as a whole. Like it or not, the government is ours and we own it. That puppet Reagan's stunted and dark thinking has become some sort of mantra for the Republicans seems to me astonishingly unpatr
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Wow. Nothing to complain about here. Love the one of the guy standing in water in his rain bib overalls holding a teapot and teacup. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I'm not sure what the locals are going to do for their evening pint. http://news.nationalpost.com/news/200-year-old-pub-collapses-into-river-as-storms-rage-across-northern-england http://news.nationalpost.com/news/200-year-old-pub-collapses-into-river-as-storms-rage-across-northern-england
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It's a nice idea. We're way out of balance. And, I believe, the "trickle down" theory is an unworkable theory, given current global economics, the goal of "ever-increasing profits" for companies, and the selfish side of human nature, etc. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Reducing the tax burden allows more investment and growth of the economy, creating more tax payers with a smaller tax burden instead of fewer tax payers with a greater tax burden. John Kennedy did the same. From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media Re: "While taxes were reduced, revenues more than doubled." The argument that the near-doubling of revenues during Reagan's two terms proves the value of tax cuts is an old argument. It's also extremely flawed. At 99.6 percent, revenues did nearly double during the 80s. However, they had likewise doubled during EVERY SINGLE DECADE SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION! They went up 502.4% during the 40's, 134.5% during the 50's, 108.5% during the 60's, and 168.2% during the 70's. At 96.2 percent, they nearly doubled in the 90s as well. Hence, claiming that the Reagan tax cuts caused the doubling of revenues is like a rooster claiming credit for the dawn. Furthermore, the receipts from individual income taxes (the only receipts directly affected by the tax cuts) went up a lower 91.3 percent during the 80's. Meanwhile, receipts from Social Insurance, which are directly affected by the FICA tax rate, went up 140.8 percent. This large increase was largely due to the fact that the FICA tax rate went up 25% from 6.13 to 7.65 percent of payroll. The reference to the doubling of revenues under Reagan commonly refers to TOTAL revenues. These include the above-mentioned Social Insurance revenues for which the tax rate went UP. It seems highly hypocritical to include these revenues (which were likely bolstered by the tax hike) as proof for the effectiveness of a tax cut. Hence, what evidence there is suggests there to be a correlation between lower taxes and LOWER revenues, not HIGHER revenues as suggested by supply-siders. There may well be valid arguments in favor of tax cuts. But higher tax revenues does not appear to be one of them. http://www.econdataus.com/taxcuts.html http://www.econdataus.com/taxcuts.html ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : By the end of the seventies we had a stagnate economy with high interest rates and high rate of inflation.BTW Nixon was a liberal Republican followed by Ford , not much better then Carter who saw the economy crater .Yes, in the Reagan era, a lot of wealth was created but I'm not sure how you can say it didn't benefit the country. All kinds of jobs were created. It was the largest expansion of the economy we had ever seen. While taxes were reduced, revenues more than doubled. Perhaps you mean there weren't more or enough *freebies* handed out as gifts to voters. At the same time, Reagan drove the Soviet Union into bankruptcy trying to keep up with our rebuilding of our military. The cold war ended along with Soviet communism and the Iron curtain fell. Oh yes, I'll say what I will about unions. Their purpose has served it's time and are now out dated. They are a bunch of crooks. I was a member of a union for 28 years. I don't know where you get the idea that without them, companies don't reinvest in themselves. That is how companies grow. I'll agree that in many cases CEO can be over compensated. However, they are responsible for insuring that a company makes a profit and keep investors happy and investing. BTW, many union pension funds are invested in companies that rely on those profits to pay pensions for more than their own workers. Your average union pension is probably heavily invested in companies they like to demonize. From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media I remember back in the 1970's, when communications, travel, and banking were all regulated by the Feds. Nobody thought of it as socialism, and the industries so regulated were guaranteed a profit. In the post - Reagan era of deregulation, there has been a lot of wealth created, but very little of it has benefited the country as a whole. In fact one of the major effects of deregulation has been the wholesale destruction of the unions, and any upward pressure on wages. Say what you will about unions, but they are the only mechanism the little guy has, for increasing that paycheck. Without them, profits do not get reinvested in companies. Instead, CEOs in their blind quest to become ever richer, use them for stock buybacks, artificially boosting the company's equity and earning them
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sexodus
OMG! THOR is a FEMALE! http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/02/14/female-thor-is-what-happens-when-progressive-hand-wringing-and-misandry-ruin-a-cherished-art-form/ http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/02/14/female-thor-is-what-happens-when-progressive-hand-wringing-and-misandry-ruin-a-cherished-art-form/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Re "And, I believe, the "trickle down" theory is an unworkable theory": ‘What’s this about my wealth trickling down to poor people?’ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It's a nice idea. We're way out of balance. And, I believe, the "trickle down" theory is an unworkable theory, given current global economics, the goal of "ever-increasing profits" for companies, and the selfish side of human nature, etc. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Reducing the tax burden allows more investment and growth of the economy, creating more tax payers with a smaller tax burden instead of fewer tax payers with a greater tax burden. John Kennedy did the same. From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media Re: "While taxes were reduced, revenues more than doubled." The argument that the near-doubling of revenues during Reagan's two terms proves the value of tax cuts is an old argument. It's also extremely flawed. At 99.6 percent, revenues did nearly double during the 80s. However, they had likewise doubled during EVERY SINGLE DECADE SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION! They went up 502.4% during the 40's, 134.5% during the 50's, 108.5% during the 60's, and 168.2% during the 70's. At 96.2 percent, they nearly doubled in the 90s as well. Hence, claiming that the Reagan tax cuts caused the doubling of revenues is like a rooster claiming credit for the dawn. Furthermore, the receipts from individual income taxes (the only receipts directly affected by the tax cuts) went up a lower 91.3 percent during the 80's. Meanwhile, receipts from Social Insurance, which are directly affected by the FICA tax rate, went up 140.8 percent. This large increase was largely due to the fact that the FICA tax rate went up 25% from 6.13 to 7.65 percent of payroll. The reference to the doubling of revenues under Reagan commonly refers to TOTAL revenues. These include the above-mentioned Social Insurance revenues for which the tax rate went UP. It seems highly hypocritical to include these revenues (which were likely bolstered by the tax hike) as proof for the effectiveness of a tax cut. Hence, what evidence there is suggests there to be a correlation between lower taxes and LOWER revenues, not HIGHER revenues as suggested by supply-siders. There may well be valid arguments in favor of tax cuts. But higher tax revenues does not appear to be one of them. http://www.econdataus.com/taxcuts.html http://www.econdataus.com/taxcuts.html ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : By the end of the seventies we had a stagnate economy with high interest rates and high rate of inflation.BTW Nixon was a liberal Republican followed by Ford , not much better then Carter who saw the economy crater .Yes, in the Reagan era, a lot of wealth was created but I'm not sure how you can say it didn't benefit the country. All kinds of jobs were created. It was the largest expansion of the economy we had ever seen. While taxes were reduced, revenues more than doubled. Perhaps you mean there weren't more or enough *freebies* handed out as gifts to voters. At the same time, Reagan drove the Soviet Union into bankruptcy trying to keep up with our rebuilding of our military. The cold war ended along with Soviet communism and the Iron curtain fell. Oh yes, I'll say what I will about unions. Their purpose has served it's time and are now out dated. They are a bunch of crooks. I was a member of a union for 28 years. I don't know where you get the idea that without them, companies don't reinvest in themselves. That is how companies grow. I'll agree that in many cases CEO can be over compensated. However, they are responsible for insuring that a company makes a profit and keep investors happy and investing. BTW, many union pension funds are invested in companies that rely on those profits to pay pensions for more than their own workers. Your average union pension is probably heavily invested in companies they like to demonize. From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media I remember back in the 1970's, when communications, travel, and banking were all regulated by the Feds. Nobody thought of it as socialism, and the industries so regulated were guaranteed a profit. In the post - Reagan era of deregulation, there has been a lot of wealth created, but very little of it has benefited the country as a whole. In fact one of the major effects of deregulation has been the wholesale destruction of the unions, and any upward pressure on wages. Say what you will about unions, but they are the only mechanism th
[FairfieldLife] Re: The greatest political pop song
I love the guy and love his lyrics. He's an original "rapper." :) I can't tolerate much of Bob Dylan's voice though; it's grated on me from the first time I heard it. I kept my mouth shut though and figured I wasn't sophisticated enough to appreciate it. Ha. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : "dhamilton" has a rather wide definition of what constitutes a political *pop* song ;-) I originally opted for Lennon's "Gimme Some Truth" with its rage against the machine. But Lennon had rather dubious alternatives to replace The Man. Here is a better choice that perfectly captures the mood of our present parlous state - "Everybody Knows" by the incomparable Leonard Cohen (always preferred him to Dylan). The song was used to great effect in Atom Egoyan's movie "Exotica". Don't miss that one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lin-a2lTelg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lin-a2lTelg. Neither Cohen or Dylan could carry a tune. They should just have read their poetry, not sung it. I personally prefer Dylan. Cohen always sounds like he is mumbling some dirge at a rainy funeral. Can't stand the guy.
[FairfieldLife] Militia Madness
I wonder how this is going to turn out. Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/drama_in_burns_ends_with_quiet.html http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/drama_in_burns_ends_with_quiet.html Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge he... http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/drama_in_burns_ends_with_quiet.html An estimated 300 people joined a protest march in Burns Saturday to support a local ranching family. None of the anticipated trouble developed. View on www.oregonlive.com http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/drama_in_burns_ends_with_quiet.html Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Militia Madness
(I think I might have posted MD's secret fantasy.) They plan to be there for YEARS, MD, there is still time to join the ranks! I mean, really—who does the federal government think they're kidding trying to take our land away in the name of a "wildlife refuge?" Our cows is all the wildlife we need to be refuging! We're followin' the Constitution the way we see fit. We don't care what the Supreme Court says. Dang government! And, for the record, we don't need no damn government tellin' us where we can and can't carry our guns neither. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Well, they could put Janet Reno in charge and she could send in tanks and burn them out.Got to nip that *white privilege* in the bud! From: "j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 7:47 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Militia Madness My inner cynic says nothing will happen at all because the offenders aren't black and unarmed. The fact that they took over a Federal facility makes me think the Feds will likely do more than just back off like they did at the stand-off at the Bundy ranch. It will be very interesting to see how the situation is handled. As for humorous commentary, I like what Andy Borowitz posted on Facebook last night: OK, by now I've heard a lot of great names for the Oregon gang: "y'all-qaeda," "yee-hawdists," "yokel haram." But I think my favorite is "fucking idiots." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I wonder how this is going to turn out. Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/drama_in_burns_ends_with_quiet.html http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/drama_in_burns_ends_with_quiet.html Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge he... http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/drama_in_burns_ends_with_quiet.html An estimated 300 people joined a protest march in Burns Saturday to support a local ranching family. None of the anticipated trouble developed. View on www.oregonlive.com http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/drama_in_burns_ends_with_quiet.html Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Militia Madness
Well, I know what you've been reading. Educate yourself on the principles of the movement first. Second, I am unaware of any BLM protests where those protesting are brandishing firearms; most abide by rule of peaceful protests, despite the in fact several have been shot by "white supremacists." Third, those protesting *in the name of BLM* who have threatened any kind of violence verbally or disrupted scenes beyond what is considered legal have been arrested. Guiding PrinciplesBlack Lives Matter http://blacklivesmatter.com/guiding-principles/ Guiding PrinciplesBlack Lives Matter http://blacklivesmatter.com/guiding-principles/ We are unapologetically Black in our positioning. In affirming that Black Lives Matter, we need not qualify our position. View on blacklivesmatter.com http://blacklivesmatter.com/guiding-principles/ Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : OR.. we could tell Black Lives Matter that there are white cops mixed in with that group and that they killed a poor unarmed black kid for his skittles and cigarillos and let them handle it! Dagnabbit! From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Militia Madness (I think I might have posted MD's secret fantasy.) They plan to be there for YEARS, MD, there is still time to join the ranks! I mean, really—who does the federal government think they're kidding trying to take our land away in the name of a "wildlife refuge?" Our cows is all the wildlife we need to be refuging! We're followin' the Constitution the way we see fit. We don't care what the Supreme Court says. Dang government! And, for the record, we don't need no damn government tellin' us where we can and can't carry our guns neither. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Well, they could put Janet Reno in charge and she could send in tanks and burn them out.Got to nip that *white privilege* in the bud! From: "j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 7:47 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Militia Madness My inner cynic says nothing will happen at all because the offenders aren't black and unarmed. The fact that they took over a Federal facility makes me think the Feds will likely do more than just back off like they did at the stand-off at the Bundy ranch. It will be very interesting to see how the situation is handled. As for humorous commentary, I like what Andy Borowitz posted on Facebook last night: OK, by now I've heard a lot of great names for the Oregon gang: "y'all-qaeda," "yee-hawdists," "yokel haram." But I think my favorite is "fucking idiots." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I wonder how this is going to turn out. Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/drama_in_burns_ends_with_quiet.html http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/drama_in_burns_ends_with_quiet.html Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge he... http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/drama_in_burns_ends_with_quiet.html An estimated 300 people joined a protest march in Burns Saturday to support a local ranching family. None of the anticipated trouble developed. View on www.oregonlive.com http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/drama_in_burns_ends_with_quiet.html Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: The migrants so desparate - the Germans so selfish
Serious situation. Alcohol is dangerous. Gotta watch that inflammatory rag you read; it misinterprets the facts. "According to information of the “Kölner Stadt-Anzeiger”, the investigators assume that there have been over 40 different perpetrators that know each other. The perpetrators supposedly consist of young men known to the police, who are committing larcenies by trick and burglaries downtown and in the amusement districts like the Zülpicher Straße for many months. Victims and witnesses told the police they had a North African male appearance. But in the night of Friday, they supposedly haven’t acted alone or in pairs as usual, but in a large group. In the areas Alter Wartesaal / main train station / Domplatte they are said to have offended women badly, taunted, surrounded and robbed them. A 22-year-old women spoke to the “Kölner Stadt-Anzeiger” the day after, describing how the perpetrators physically and sexually harassed her and her friend. The other victims had the same experience, she said. The robbers succeeded to hide in the crowd so that police wasn’t able to track them down. The police denied rumors in internet forums, according to which the perpetrators were refugees. An investigator said: “The recent leads go significantly towards police-known serial offenders, refugees have nothing to do with them.” OR: The events raise many questions: Why occurred the attacks on such a busy place as the main railway station? Why could not prevent it, even though the federal police, the security monitors at the station? How many perpetrators were involved - and above all: Who were they? Especially in the latter question, the investigators talked more rain in recent days. According coincident testimonies of affected women, the perpetrators "of North African origin" should be. Police said some of the perpetrators were known to the police and had repeatedly stolen for months partygoers of Cologne entertainment districts or robbed. The fact that this little group petty criminal unite as New Year's Eve, there have so far not given, a police spokeswoman. It seems as if the investigators worry that incidents could Kölner fueling resentment towards refugees. An investigator told the "Kölner Stadt Anzeiger" explicitly: "They have nothing to do with the refugees from war zones, who come to Germany for months." From the environment of the North Rhine-Westphalian Ministry of the Interior on the other hand it is, some of the perpetrators had come about two years ago from North Africa to Germany as refugees, their integration is so far apparently not successful. This let arise a fear within the North Rhine-Westphalian law enforcement agencies that could spread or amplify fears of refugees in the population." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : REVEALED: 1,000+ Migrants Brawl, Rape, Sexually Assault, And Steal At One German Train Station On New Year’s Eve 1,000 migrants celebrated by launching fireworks into crowds and sexually assaulting German women caught up in the chaos. Just five arrests have been made by German police after central Cologne was transformed into a war-zone on New Year’s Eve, as an estimated 1,000 migrants celebrated by launching fireworks into crowds and sexually assaulting German women caught up in the chaos. http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/04/revealed-1000-migrants-brawl-rape-sexually-assault- http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/04/revealed-1000-migrants-brawl-rape-sexually-assault- Especially in the latter question, the investigators talked more rain in recent days. According coincident testimonies of affected women, the perpetrators "of North African origin" should be. Police said some of the perpetrators were known to the police and had repeatedly stolen for months partygoers of Cologne entertainment districts or robbed. The fact that this little group petty criminal unite as New Year's Eve, there have so far not given, a police spokeswoman. It seems as if the investigators worry that incidents could Kölner fueling resentment towards refugees. An investigator told the "Kölner Stadt Anzeiger" explicitly: "They have nothing to do with the refugees from war zones, who come to Germany for months." From the environment of the North Rhine-Westphalian Ministry of the Interior on the other hand it is, some of the perpetrators had come about two years ago from North Africa to Germany as refugees, their integration is so far apparently not successful. This let arise a fear within the North Rhine-Westphalian law enforcement agencies that could spread or amplify fears of refugees in the population." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : REVEALED: 1,000+ Migrants Brawl, Rape, Sexually Assault, And Steal At One German Train Station On New Year’s Eve 1,000 migrants celebrated by launching fireworks into crowds and sexually assaulting German women caught up in the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Militia Madness
Mike, it's impossible to have a conversation with you, when you don't even listen to what you yourself posted! LOL. After you've listened to this, get back to me with what you think the important points are. By the way, this video doesn't include any mention of her saying what you attribute below. P.S. This isn't an important point, but fyi, she's not with BLM (according to the video). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrQgceKxw7w http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrQgceKxw7w http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrQgceKxw7w Megyn Kelly CONFRONTS #BLACKLIVESMATTER Activi... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrQgceKxw7w View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrQgceKxw7w Preview by Yahoo Pigs in a blanket, Fry them like bacon. There are more videos available. Anyone can claim to be altruistic but actions speak louder than words. From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Militia Madness Well, I know what you've been reading. Educate yourself on the principles of the movement first. Second, I am unaware of any BLM protests where those protesting are brandishing firearms; most abide by rule of peaceful protests, despite the in fact several have been shot by "white supremacists." Third, those protesting *in the name of BLM* who have threatened any kind of violence verbally or disrupted scenes beyond what is considered legal have been arrested. Guiding PrinciplesBlack Lives Matter http://blacklivesmatter.com/guiding-principles/ Guiding PrinciplesBlack Lives Matter http://blacklivesmatter.com/guiding-principles/ We are unapologetically Black in our positioning. In affirming that Black Lives Matter, we need not qualify our position. View on blacklivesmatter.com http://blacklivesmatter.com/guiding-principles/ Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : OR.. we could tell Black Lives Matter that there are white cops mixed in with that group and that they killed a poor unarmed black kid for his skittles and cigarillos and let them handle it! Dagnabbit! From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Militia Madness (I think I might have posted MD's secret fantasy.) They plan to be there for YEARS, MD, there is still time to join the ranks! I mean, really—who does the federal government think they're kidding trying to take our land away in the name of a "wildlife refuge?" Our cows is all the wildlife we need to be refuging! We're followin' the Constitution the way we see fit. We don't care what the Supreme Court says. Dang government! And, for the record, we don't need no damn government tellin' us where we can and can't carry our guns neither. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Well, they could put Janet Reno in charge and she could send in tanks and burn them out.Got to nip that *white privilege* in the bud! From: "j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 7:47 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Militia Madness My inner cynic says nothing will happen at all because the offenders aren't black and unarmed. The fact that they took over a Federal facility makes me think the Feds will likely do more than just back off like they did at the stand-off at the Bundy ranch. It will be very interesting to see how the situation is handled. As for humorous commentary, I like what Andy Borowitz posted on Facebook last night: OK, by now I've heard a lot of great names for the Oregon gang: "y'all-qaeda," "yee-hawdists," "yokel haram." But I think my favorite is "fucking idiots." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I wonder how this is going to turn out. Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/drama_in_burns_ends_with_quiet.html http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/drama_in_burns_ends_with_quiet.html Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge he... http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/drama_in_burns_ends_with_quiet.html An estimated 300 people joined a protest march in Burns Saturday to support a local ranching family. None of the anticipated trouble developed. View on www.oregonlive.com http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/drama_in_burns_ends_with_quiet.html Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Militia Madness
Note: I got the term "white supremacist" from what was reported and it was *in quotes* both in what was reported and what I stated below. That doesn't change the fact that the shootings were reportedly carried out towards the group of protesters, not by the protesters. Which is exactly what the video states, if you watch it. LOL ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIJrjD5SZZY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIJrjD5SZZY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIJrjD5SZZY White Supremacists Shoot Black Lives Matter Protestors -... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIJrjD5SZZY View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIJrjD5SZZY Preview by Yahoo From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Militia Madness Well, I know what you've been reading. Educate yourself on the principles of the movement first. Second, I am unaware of any BLM protests where those protesting are brandishing firearms; most abide by rule of peaceful protests, despite the in fact several have been shot by "white supremacists." Third, those protesting *in the name of BLM* who have threatened any kind of violence verbally or disrupted scenes beyond what is considered legal have been arrested. Guiding PrinciplesBlack Lives Matter http://blacklivesmatter.com/guiding-principles/ Guiding PrinciplesBlack Lives Matter http://blacklivesmatter.com/guiding-principles/ We are unapologetically Black in our positioning. In affirming that Black Lives Matter, we need not qualify our position. View on blacklivesmatter.com http://blacklivesmatter.com/guiding-principles/ Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : OR.. we could tell Black Lives Matter that there are white cops mixed in with that group and that they killed a poor unarmed black kid for his skittles and cigarillos and let them handle it! Dagnabbit! From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Militia Madness (I think I might have posted MD's secret fantasy.) They plan to be there for YEARS, MD, there is still time to join the ranks! I mean, really—who does the federal government think they're kidding trying to take our land away in the name of a "wildlife refuge?" Our cows is all the wildlife we need to be refuging! We're followin' the Constitution the way we see fit. We don't care what the Supreme Court says. Dang government! And, for the record, we don't need no damn government tellin' us where we can and can't carry our guns neither. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Well, they could put Janet Reno in charge and she could send in tanks and burn them out.Got to nip that *white privilege* in the bud! From: "j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 7:47 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Militia Madness My inner cynic says nothing will happen at all because the offenders aren't black and unarmed. The fact that they took over a Federal facility makes me think the Feds will likely do more than just back off like they did at the stand-off at the Bundy ranch. It will be very interesting to see how the situation is handled. As for humorous commentary, I like what Andy Borowitz posted on Facebook last night: OK, by now I've heard a lot of great names for the Oregon gang: "y'all-qaeda," "yee-hawdists," "yokel haram." But I think my favorite is "fucking idiots." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I wonder how this is going to turn out. Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/drama_in_burns_ends_with_quiet.html http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/drama_in_burns_ends_with_quiet.html Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge he... http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/drama_in_burns_ends_with_quiet.html An estimated 300 people joined a protest march in Burns Saturday to support a local ranching family. None of the anticipated trouble developed. View on www.oregonlive.com http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/drama_in_burns_ends_with_quiet.html Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: The migrants so desparate - the Germans so selfish
I said it was serious, is what I said. I don't take assaults on women lightly. I was just balancing out the Breitbert article with info that indicated there could be some exaggeration in play with respect to the facts. The article implied the perpetrators were refugees (i.e. of recent arrival). Not necessarily. Nor was the number "1,000" as a descriptor seemingly correct. Seemed kind of sensationalist to me; Breitbert tends to like to appeal to the "fear of others" in its readers. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The Cologne authorities have been savaged for falsifying the accounts of the assaults. Apparently you are not willing to look at anything except what you have already decided. Thank you though for the excerpt - it is hilarious. "Especially in the latter question, the investigators talked more rain in recent days. According coincident testimonies of affected women, the perpetrators "of North African origin" should be." Noam Chomsky would be proud.
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Did the Occupy Wall Street people have guns? There was no "armed" conflict. I'm sorry, but there is a difference in how the group is choosing to express their rage. Can't compare the two. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Did you think the same thing about Occupy Wall Street? How about the protesters occupying the State Capitol building in Wisconsin? From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Militia Madness ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : These "protesters" are simply criminals in cowboy hats. If you read the background, these folks are just looking to pick a fight. Same with the BLM crowd. Even the ranchers charged with arson have reported to prison to finish out their mandatory sentences. Game over. The Feds oughta just fence these yokels in, and throw away the key. After they get hungry enough, they'll leave. That's what 'the law' is hoping as well but some locals are bringing food to them at this point. Others are wishing and voicing their desire that the men with their guns occupying the refuge will go away. I will find it very interesting to see how this plays out because I believe the "protestors" are spoiling for a confrontation to prove some point or other. Personally, I think they all need a spanking and should be sent to their rooms - without their infernal guns. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : What else you didn't gather was that the BLM protesters were attacking the guys that were video taping their gathering. The protesters chased them and threatened them. Not that I condone any shooting but it could be argued that they feared for their lives and defended themselves by whatever means they had at their disposal.
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It isn't what "I claim." The movement is not, in principle or intention, a violent movement and does not promote violence. That doesn't mean that violence won't erupt. The civil rights movement under MLK wasn't violent either, but that didn't stop violence from erupting on both sides or other groups who were violent from forming. Just because you choose to ignore what you don't want to believe doesn't make it true. The woman in the video (who was not with BLM and that was stated on Fox at the beginning of the video) made that video in response to a very real situation she was reacting to, if what she and her lawyer says is true. She was brandishing a firearm, running down a pretty good rap (actually lyrically in tone I thought), and "defending" herself, right? I'm against violent protests. I'm for gun control. I understand, as an outsider, why the black community is rallying for change. 11 Major Misconceptions About the Black Lives Matter MovementBlack Lives Matter http://blacklivesmatter.com/11-major-misconceptions-about-the-black-lives-matter-movement/ http://blacklivesmatter.com/11-major-misconceptions-about-the-black-lives-matter-movement/ 11 Major Misconceptions About the Black Lives Matt... http://blacklivesmatter.com/11-major-misconceptions-about-the-black-lives-matter-movement/ Since the acquittal of Trayvon Martin’s killer in 2013 and the killing of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, in 2014, the phrase “black lives matter” has becom... View on blacklivesmatter.com http://blacklivesmatter.com/11-major-misconceptions-about-the-black-lives-matter-movement/ Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : t shouldn't be that difficult Emily. My point is that the Black Lives Matter isn't what it claims to be, nonviolent and peaceful or at east what you *seem* to claim. There is plenty in the media that expose there claims as fraudulent. Of course if someone gets busted, not towing the line, they will have to disassociate themselves from BLM or BLM from them. Nazi's, Bolsheviks, Ku Klux Klan, PLO, Hamas, Hezbollah and other hate groups use the same tactics. From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Militia Madness Mike, it's impossible to have a conversation with you, when you don't even listen to what you yourself posted! LOL. After you've listened to this, get back to me with what you think the important points are. By the way, this video doesn't include any mention of her saying what you attribute below. P.S. This isn't an important point, but fyi, she's not with BLM (according to the video). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrQgceKxw7w http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrQgceKxw7w http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrQgceKxw7w Megyn Kelly CONFRONTS #BLACKLIVESMATTER Activi... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrQgceKxw7w View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrQgceKxw7w Preview by Yahoo Pigs in a blanket, Fry them like bacon. There are more videos available. Anyone can claim to be altruistic but actions speak louder than words. From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Militia Madness Well, I know what you've been reading. Educate yourself on the principles of the movement first. Second, I am unaware of any BLM protests where those protesting are brandishing firearms; most abide by rule of peaceful protests, despite the in fact several have been shot by "white supremacists." Third, those protesting *in the name of BLM* who have threatened any kind of violence verbally or disrupted scenes beyond what is considered legal have been arrested. Guiding PrinciplesBlack Lives Matter http://blacklivesmatter.com/guiding-principles/ Guiding PrinciplesBlack Lives Matter http://blacklivesmatter.com/guiding-principles/ We are unapologetically Black in our positioning. In affirming that Black Lives Matter, we need not qualify our position. View on blacklivesmatter.com http://blacklivesmatter.com/guiding-principles/ Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : OR.. we could tell Black Lives Matter that there are white cops mixed in with that group and that they killed a poor unarmed black kid for his skittles and cigarillos and let them handle it! Dagnabbit! From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Militia Madness (I think I might have posted MD's secret fantasy.) They plan to be there for YEARS, MD, there is still time to join the ranks! I mean, really—who does the federal government think they
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There was/is no leader like MLK and never has been since he was murdered. There is a lot of anger. However, I do not judge the movement based on *what* its purpose/goals/principles are and do not dismiss it summarily or judge it and label it inaccurately. *How* the movement goals are forwarded by those who participate is important. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I never knew MLK's organization to ever participate in or advocate violence. It was directed at them but they usually never lifted a hand to defend themselves. Don't be so quick to judge a movement by what it says but what they do. From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Militia Madness It isn't what "I claim." The movement is not, in principle or intention, a violent movement and does not promote violence. That doesn't mean that violence won't erupt. The civil rights movement under MLK wasn't violent either, but that didn't stop violence from erupting on both sides or other groups who were violent from forming. Just because you choose to ignore what you don't want to believe doesn't make it true. The woman in the video (who was not with BLM and that was stated on Fox at the beginning of the video) made that video in response to a very real situation she was reacting to, if what she and her lawyer says is true. She was brandishing a firearm, running down a pretty good rap (actually lyrically in tone I thought), and "defending" herself, right? I'm against violent protests. I'm for gun control. I understand, as an outsider, why the black community is rallying for change. 11 Major Misconceptions About the Black Lives Matter MovementBlack Lives Matter http://blacklivesmatter.com/11-major-misconceptions-about-the-black-lives-matter-movement/ http://blacklivesmatter.com/11-major-misconceptions-about-the-black-lives-matter-movement/ 11 Major Misconceptions About the Black Lives Matt... http://blacklivesmatter.com/11-major-misconceptions-about-the-black-lives-matter-movement/ Since the acquittal of Trayvon Martin’s killer in 2013 and the killing of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, in 2014, the phrase “black lives matter” has becom... View on blacklivesmatter.com http://blacklivesmatter.com/11-major-misconceptions-about-the-black-lives-matter-movement/ Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : t shouldn't be that difficult Emily. My point is that the Black Lives Matter isn't what it claims to be, nonviolent and peaceful or at east what you *seem* to claim. There is plenty in the media that expose there claims as fraudulent. Of course if someone gets busted, not towing the line, they will have to disassociate themselves from BLM or BLM from them. Nazi's, Bolsheviks, Ku Klux Klan, PLO, Hamas, Hezbollah and other hate groups use the same tactics. From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Militia Madness Mike, it's impossible to have a conversation with you, when you don't even listen to what you yourself posted! LOL. After you've listened to this, get back to me with what you think the important points are. By the way, this video doesn't include any mention of her saying what you attribute below. P.S. This isn't an important point, but fyi, she's not with BLM (according to the video). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrQgceKxw7w http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrQgceKxw7w http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrQgceKxw7w Megyn Kelly CONFRONTS #BLACKLIVESMATTER Activi... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrQgceKxw7w View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrQgceKxw7w Preview by Yahoo Pigs in a blanket, Fry them like bacon. There are more videos available. Anyone can claim to be altruistic but actions speak louder than words. From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Militia Madness Well, I know what you've been reading. Educate yourself on the principles of the movement first. Second, I am unaware of any BLM protests where those protesting are brandishing firearms; most abide by rule of peaceful protests, despite the in fact several have been shot by "white supremacists." Third, those protesting *in the name of BLM* who have threatened any kind of violence verbally or disrupted scenes beyond what is considered legal have been arrested. Guiding PrinciplesBlack Lives Matter http://blacklivesmatter.com/guiding-principles/ Guiding PrinciplesBlack Lives Matter http://blacklivesmatter.com/guiding-principles/ We are unapologetically Black in our positioning. In
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I'm pretty sure that if a group of Occupy Wall Street had shown up brandishing firearms and threatening violence with the goal that federal land or whatever park they were in should be turned over to the locals to manage, the response would have been different. And, if the OR group had amassed a march across the wildlife refuge, subjecting the ducks to epithets and throwing out threats against the federal government, it would be a different situation all-together. The march would likely be over by now, for one. It's the guns Mike, in concert with the occupation, that determine, in part, how the response is navigated by the authorities. There is a big difference in purpose and intent and means. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : No, the Occupy Wall Street were more primitive. They had pipes and knives, lived in garbage and generally were destructive and several women were raped. At the Capitol in Wisconsin, numerous congressmen were threatened including the Governor and his family. BLM marched through the streets chanting *pigs in a blanket fry them like bacon*, a clear call to kill police. Yes there is a very big difference. From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Militia Madness Did the Occupy Wall Street people have guns? There was no "armed" conflict. I'm sorry, but there is a difference in how the group is choosing to express their rage. Can't compare the two. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Did you think the same thing about Occupy Wall Street? How about the protesters occupying the State Capitol building in Wisconsin? From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Militia Madness ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : These "protesters" are simply criminals in cowboy hats. If you read the background, these folks are just looking to pick a fight. Same with the BLM crowd. Even the ranchers charged with arson have reported to prison to finish out their mandatory sentences. Game over. The Feds oughta just fence these yokels in, and throw away the key. After they get hungry enough, they'll leave. That's what 'the law' is hoping as well but some locals are bringing food to them at this point. Others are wishing and voicing their desire that the men with their guns occupying the refuge will go away. I will find it very interesting to see how this plays out because I believe the "protestors" are spoiling for a confrontation to prove some point or other. Personally, I think they all need a spanking and should be sent to their rooms - without their infernal guns. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : What else you didn't gather was that the BLM protesters were attacking the guys that were video taping their gathering. The protesters chased them and threatened them. Not that I condone any shooting but it could be argued that they feared for their lives and defended themselves by whatever means they had at their disposal.
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You know...conflicts between ranchers and government have been going on for a long time. There are always competing interests over land and there will continue to be. Just like there are competing interests with respect to re-introducing wolves. You happen to think they're cause is valid and that their grievances are genuine; that's your opinion. The conservationists might disagree with you on what is "genuine." They *are* provoking confrontation—how can you say they aren't. That's funny. I hope you won't feel intimidated when the BLM protesters pull out their firearms, legally. :) I've gotta bow out...TTYL. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : To my knowledge, the ranchers haven't threaten anyone or destroyed anything.They say that the guns are for their own protection. I don't know about Oregon but many states, I think 44, have open- carry laws. If Oregon is one of them, they are well within their rights to carry fire arms, regardless of how someone might be intimidated. Occupy Wall Street was intentionally destructive and provoked confrontation, especially with police. The ranchers have genuine grievances that need to be heard by Federal Land Management. The ranchers claim that they have had land that they own confiscated by the feds and also denied grazing and perhaps water rights that they have always had. Yeah, I would say there is a big difference in purpose and intent. From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Militia Madness I'm pretty sure that if a group of Occupy Wall Street had shown up brandishing firearms and threatening violence with the goal that federal land or whatever park they were in should be turned over to the locals to manage, the response would have been different. And, if the OR group had amassed a march across the wildlife refuge, subjecting the ducks to epithets and throwing out threats against the federal government, it would be a different situation all-together. The march would likely be over by now, for one. It's the guns Mike, in concert with the occupation, that determine, in part, how the response is navigated by the authorities. There is a big difference in purpose and intent and means. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : No, the Occupy Wall Street were more primitive. They had pipes and knives, lived in garbage and generally were destructive and several women were raped. At the Capitol in Wisconsin, numerous congressmen were threatened including the Governor and his family. BLM marched through the streets chanting *pigs in a blanket fry them like bacon*, a clear call to kill police. Yes there is a very big difference. From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Militia Madness Did the Occupy Wall Street people have guns? There was no "armed" conflict. I'm sorry, but there is a difference in how the group is choosing to express their rage. Can't compare the two. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Did you think the same thing about Occupy Wall Street? How about the protesters occupying the State Capitol building in Wisconsin? From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Militia Madness ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : These "protesters" are simply criminals in cowboy hats. If you read the background, these folks are just looking to pick a fight. Same with the BLM crowd. Even the ranchers charged with arson have reported to prison to finish out their mandatory sentences. Game over. The Feds oughta just fence these yokels in, and throw away the key. After they get hungry enough, they'll leave. That's what 'the law' is hoping as well but some locals are bringing food to them at this point. Others are wishing and voicing their desire that the men with their guns occupying the refuge will go away. I will find it very interesting to see how this plays out because I believe the "protestors" are spoiling for a confrontation to prove some point or other. Personally, I think they all need a spanking and should be sent to their rooms - without their infernal guns. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : What else you didn't gather was that the BLM protesters were attacking the guys that were video taping their gathering. The protesters chased them and threatened them. Not that I condone any shooting but it could be argued that they feared for their lives and defended themselves by whatever means they had at their disposal.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Militia Madness
"their cause"can't blame auto-correct on that one. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You know...conflicts between ranchers and government have been going on for a long time. There are always competing interests over land and there will continue to be. Just like there are competing interests with respect to re-introducing wolves. You happen to think they're cause is valid and that their grievances are genuine; that's your opinion. The conservationists might disagree with you on what is "genuine." They *are* provoking confrontation—how can you say they aren't. That's funny. I hope you won't feel intimidated when the BLM protesters pull out their firearms, legally. :) I've gotta bow out...TTYL. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : To my knowledge, the ranchers haven't threaten anyone or destroyed anything.They say that the guns are for their own protection. I don't know about Oregon but many states, I think 44, have open- carry laws. If Oregon is one of them, they are well within their rights to carry fire arms, regardless of how someone might be intimidated. Occupy Wall Street was intentionally destructive and provoked confrontation, especially with police. The ranchers have genuine grievances that need to be heard by Federal Land Management. The ranchers claim that they have had land that they own confiscated by the feds and also denied grazing and perhaps water rights that they have always had. Yeah, I would say there is a big difference in purpose and intent. From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Militia Madness I'm pretty sure that if a group of Occupy Wall Street had shown up brandishing firearms and threatening violence with the goal that federal land or whatever park they were in should be turned over to the locals to manage, the response would have been different. And, if the OR group had amassed a march across the wildlife refuge, subjecting the ducks to epithets and throwing out threats against the federal government, it would be a different situation all-together. The march would likely be over by now, for one. It's the guns Mike, in concert with the occupation, that determine, in part, how the response is navigated by the authorities. There is a big difference in purpose and intent and means. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : No, the Occupy Wall Street were more primitive. They had pipes and knives, lived in garbage and generally were destructive and several women were raped. At the Capitol in Wisconsin, numerous congressmen were threatened including the Governor and his family. BLM marched through the streets chanting *pigs in a blanket fry them like bacon*, a clear call to kill police. Yes there is a very big difference. From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Militia Madness Did the Occupy Wall Street people have guns? There was no "armed" conflict. I'm sorry, but there is a difference in how the group is choosing to express their rage. Can't compare the two. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Did you think the same thing about Occupy Wall Street? How about the protesters occupying the State Capitol building in Wisconsin? From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Militia Madness ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : These "protesters" are simply criminals in cowboy hats. If you read the background, these folks are just looking to pick a fight. Same with the BLM crowd. Even the ranchers charged with arson have reported to prison to finish out their mandatory sentences. Game over. The Feds oughta just fence these yokels in, and throw away the key. After they get hungry enough, they'll leave. That's what 'the law' is hoping as well but some locals are bringing food to them at this point. Others are wishing and voicing their desire that the men with their guns occupying the refuge will go away. I will find it very interesting to see how this plays out because I believe the "protestors" are spoiling for a confrontation to prove some point or other. Personally, I think they all need a spanking and should be sent to their rooms - without their infernal guns. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : What else you didn't gather was that the BLM protesters were attacking the guys that were video taping their gathering. The protesters chased them and threatened them. Not that I condone any shooting but it could be argued that they feared for their lives and defended themselves by whatever means they had at their disposal.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Meditators and Militia Madness
My daughter is reading the book referenced in this article (Under the Banner of Heaven) and made the same parallels. There are two main branches of Mormonismthe "fundamentalists" are a lot farther to the extreme. The Fundamentalist Religious Views That Inspired Ammon Bundy's Militia http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-krakauer/fundamentalist-religious-ammon-bundy-militia-oregon_b_8931762.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-krakauer/fundamentalist-religious-ammon-bundy-militia-oregon_b_8931762.html The Fundamentalist Religious Views That Inspired Ammo... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-krakauer/fundamentalist-religious-ammon-bundy-militia-oregon_b_8931762.html To understand the source of the Bundy's self-righteous anger, it's helpful to examine their religious views, which are rooted in a maverick strain of fundam... View on www.huffingtonpost.com http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-krakauer/fundamentalist-religious-ammon-bundy-militia-oregon_b_8931762.html Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Gee: 1890-95, Americanism; euphemism for Jesus ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Mormonic terrorism on geee had From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Meditators and Militia Madness Doug, meditators don't need to have "a position" on anything, IMHO. We're individuals, not clones. And for pete's sake, let's not make the Oregon situation about religion. Americans in general are having enough problems dealing with how to regard Islam. We don't want to generate a burst of Mormonophobia, and it sounds as though that's where you're headed here. P.S.: The Bundys are Mormons, but others of the occupiers are not, and the Mormon church has strongly condemned the occupation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Should meditators have a position on this? So this being a spiritual list here, how would you advise a people who are spiritual like Fairfield, Iowa meditators to see this situation with the Mormon wingnut occupiers of our National Wildlife Refuge? This seems much more than just a civil conflict, but ideological spiritual/religious. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Reading the news about these Captains Moroni, these occupiers are mixed up Mormon wingnuts. This is not between ranchers and our government. It is time to arrest and arraign these nutcakes for disturbing the peace and otherwise breaking the law. Might also help everyone learn how civil society and the constitution works if the Sheriff there would move now to enforce the law. I do not favor these hooligans occupying that place taking away the liberty of my access to our National Wildlife Refuge. I am all for peaceful resolution but it is time for the Sheriff there on the public's behalf to just move in there and re-open those lands there back up to the public. Just go in and put a direct end to this libertarian Shay's rebellion bullshit. Let the occupiers have their day in court to figure it out. Native American Tribe Says Oregon Armed Occupiers Are Desecrating Sacred Land http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/06/462179325/native-american-tribe-says-oregon-armed-occupiers-are-desecrating-sacred-land http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/06/462179325/native-american-tribe-says-oregon-armed-occupiers-are-desecrating-sacred-land Native American Tribe Says Oregon Armed Occupiers A... http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/06/462179325/native-american-tribe-says-oregon-armed-occupiers-are-desecrating-sacred-land The Burns Paiute tribe is demanding that the anti-federalist militants leave its ancestral lands. Paiute legend says the tribe has lived in this area since "be... View on www.npr.org http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/06/462179325/native-american-tribe-says-oregon-armed-occupiers-are-desecrating-sacred-land Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Time for Meditation
As a salaried employee, this was much more my experience(40 to 60, but paid for 40). The "40-Hour" Workweek Is Actually Longer -- by Seven Hours http://www.gallup.com/poll/175286/hour-workweek-actually-longer-seven-hours.aspx http://www.gallup.com/poll/175286/hour-workweek-actually-longer-seven-hours.aspx The "40-Hour" Workweek Is Actually Longer -- b... http://www.gallup.com/poll/175286/hour-workweek-actually-longer-seven-hours.aspx Adults employed full time in the U.S. report working an average of 47 hours a week, almost a full workday longer than what a standard five-day, 9-to-5 schedu... View on www.gallup.com http://www.gallup.com/poll/175286/hour-workweek-actually-longer-seven-hours.aspx Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Of course work is not the purpose of life. That was an industrial age piece of propaganda to keep the chickens busy. There are lots of things to do other than work. On 01/10/2016 05:07 AM, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: In 1930 the average workweek was 47 hours. By 1970 it had fallen to slightly less than 39. How will we all keep busy when we only have to work 15 hours a week? The Dome doors open for meditation at 7am in Fairfield, Iowa. -JaiGuruYou!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Time for Meditation
Ann, ignore him, he's just a "meany." I think he took serious offense at the nickname Emptypants—who knows why? I could take a guess; his ego (I mean manhood) has been challenged and he just can't past it. What I find very, very amusing is how angry and fearful, Empty, as a meditator is. It seems certainly true that one cannot lump "meditators" into a single category or assume that a TM practice assures one any short cuts in evolution as a soul or a human being. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Now that's my idea of personal hell. LOL, you'd have to tie me down and tranquilize me. You are personally unqualified even to contemplate this kind of practice. In fact, you are unqualified to enter into any form of contemplative or meditative practice. No wonder you ended up following a complete fraud for a teacher. Go ride your horse. Go act important. You have no clue.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Time for Meditation
"can't get past it." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Ann, ignore him, he's just a "meany." I think he took serious offense at the nickname Emptypants—who knows why? I could take a guess; his ego (I mean manhood) has been challenged and he just can't past it. What I find very, very amusing is how angry and fearful, Empty, as a meditator is. It seems certainly true that one cannot lump "meditators" into a single category or assume that a TM practice assures one any short cuts in evolution as a soul or a human being. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Now that's my idea of personal hell. LOL, you'd have to tie me down and tranquilize me. You are personally unqualified even to contemplate this kind of practice. In fact, you are unqualified to enter into any form of contemplative or meditative practice. No wonder you ended up following a complete fraud for a teacher. Go ride your horse. Go act important. You have no clue.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Time for Meditation
O, I thought he was a TM'er who expanded into other "lineages," or something like that. I will try to pay more attention (smile). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Ann, ignore him, he's just a "meany." I think he took serious offense at the nickname Emptypants—who knows why? I could take a guess; his ego (I mean manhood) has been challenged and he just can't past it. What I find very, very amusing is how angry and fearful, Empty, as a meditator is. It seems certainly true that one cannot lump "meditators" into a single category or assume that a TM practice assures one any short cuts in evolution as a soul or a human being. Oh my dear Emily, I don't think The Pants would care to associate himself with TM. He was made for bigger meditations. You see, he knows it all. And I mean every last bit of it. For a bubble headed bleached blond I can at least recognize this. But yes, he seems to have failed somewhere along the way. Perhaps the hair shirts weren't hairy enough or the whips quite lashy enough, the bed of nails too dull. Maybe next time around he'll get it right. I'm not sure how much time he has left in this body of his but he better hurry up or he's going to miss the boat completely this time around. I do believe he has a dislike of the fairer sex (if I am allowed to mention 'sex' and 'Pants' in the same sentence, which I think is unlikely). I do appreciate your concern. We smart women need to stick together. I know you have my back and I thank you for it. You're a great ally. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Now that's my idea of personal hell. LOL, you'd have to tie me down and tranquilize me. You are personally unqualified even to contemplate this kind of practice. In fact, you are unqualified to enter into any form of contemplative or meditative practice. No wonder you ended up following a complete fraud for a teacher. Go ride your horse. Go act important. You have no clue.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marxist Shills
No, Emptyhead, what I said was that it was "serious." That I didn't take assaults against women lightly. What I said (in so many words) was that Breitbart tends to exaggerate the facts and play with interpretation.and it does. Try to pay attention. Now, I have to go. Please be civil to my friend while I'm gone. Thanks in advance. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : We smart women need to stick together. I know you have my back and I thank you for it. You're a great ally. Emily and Waffle assured everyone that the muslim assaults and rapes were creations of Breitbart racism against peaceful migrants. How about … a bunch of muslim doctors and jurists trying to help their kids get ahead in the world after it was destroyed by crusaders? You are both just Marxist shills - but not very inventive one's at that.
Re: [FairfieldLife] From My Home Town
Gzzz. If we'd had an even marginally semi-cooperative Congress, Obama could have been an extremely effective president. Bush was a complete disaster; how quickly so many forget where we were at when he left office. We are definitely in a better place now. I'm with the guy from Canada on this one. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Wow, that's too bad. This guy been snowed! For one thing the economy isn't good at all. Obama out and out lied about that! It's like he's hanging out in Washington state and smoking ganja. New jobs? Of course there were some season hires for the holiday season. It happens every year and those are not permanent jobs nor do the pay much. In fact most new jobs don't pay much. America is leading the world? Where? I don't think the rest of the world respects a country that bombs innocent civilians. People voted for Obama to get rid of the taste of Bush. But Obama just kept on with the same ol' same ol'. Then people voted against Romney because they trusted him even less. I would have expected you to know economics far better than this. Must not have been your best subject. Or did somebody or something put a pod outside your door? Haha, no. I think Obama (and here we are getting into politics, the dangerous subject where no one ever changes anyone's mind) has done the best he could given the terrible resistance he has run into with Congress and the shmazzle of the previous Bush government to fix, the guy was reduced to running on 1 cylinder. I think it is easy to be very, very critical of the man or woman running your own country. No one can work miracles especially when so many are running blocker on them. If you are unhappy with your country's situation you can not look to one man to blame. You need to look at the past, the present in terms of how your government is operating and how they are a very real impediment or detriment to what someone is trying to do, even if what they are trying to do seems like a positive or good thing. No man runs the Presidency alone. I personally believe Obama to be a good human being. He is not a miracle worker nor is he infallible. However, a good human being does not guarantee an effective Presidential candidate. What I do agree with you on is that I don't necessarily assert that "America is leading the world". However, the point of my posting this was to illustrate how Canadians feel about your President. On 01/16/2016 06:54 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: This is how many Canadians feel about Obama. This particular letter to the Editor was penned by someone from Victoria.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Revenent
Did you think it was a better movie because it was filmed using only "natural" light and not "electrical" light? Did you notice? Did you say to yourself"there is something special about the lighting in this movie that makes the scenery extra-special." Or, maybe it was a subconscious appreciation. Or, maybe, none of the above and it didn't even occur to your finely tuned senses! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Jesus, an awful lot of moaning in that movie. I enjoyed the scenery. Sorta mediocre, I think. Mildly entertaining?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Revenent
Ah Steve, don't feel like that. The problem with email and the internet is that you couldn't see the good-natured glint in my eye or hear the playful tone of my voice. I thought it was pretty amusing, actually, that they played up the point of "natural light" in the promotion. I assure you that I could/would have missed it, amidst all the grunting and moaning you mention. Not a movie I need to see. :) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Wow, I feel like a real dodo. Yes, the scenery was exquisite, and I guess I was somewhat in the dark about the lighting, (-: but reflecting on it now, the natural light did make a difference. That and the scenery were the strong points. It was just a long movie, and some point it occurred to me the guy just keeps escaping death through somewhat impossible means, and yes, he does grunt a lot. I didn't mean to imply the scenery was mediocre. Just the overall movie. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Did you think it was a better movie because it was filmed using only "natural" light and not "electrical" light? Did you notice? Did you say to yourself"there is something special about the lighting in this movie that makes the scenery extra-special." Or, maybe it was a subconscious appreciation. Or, maybe, none of the above and it didn't even occur to your finely tuned senses! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Jesus, an awful lot of moaning in that movie. I enjoyed the scenery. Sorta mediocre, I think. Mildly entertaining?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Revenent
I saw the trailer. Another reason why I thought it amusing that "filmed with natural light" was a promotional point. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I left the theater shivering. Everything was dark an cold. From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 11:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Revenent Jesus, an awful lot of moaning in that movie. I enjoyed the scenery. Sorta mediocre, I think. Mildly entertaining?
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Flicker Of Faith, Ram Dass
Every time I see this man's face, I think "pedophile" and "madman." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Nice reflection. About how he was touched by him. ..and it is very interesting what miracles do for most people who are ready to see them. They give a flicker of faith in the possibility that things aren’t the way that you thought they were. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Touching report from Ram Dass on his meeting Sai Baba back in those early days of the 1960’s. A Flicker Of Faith, Ram Dass - Early Sai Baba Devotees https://sathyasaimemories.wordpress.com/2016/01/17/a-flicker-of-faith-ram-dass-early-sai-baba-devotees/ https://sathyasaimemories.wordpress.com/2016/01/17/a-flicker-of-faith-ram-dass-early-sai-baba-devotees/ A Flicker Of Faith, Ram Dass - Early Sai Baba Devotees https://sathyasaimemories.wordpress.com/2016/01/17/a-flicker-of-faith-ram-dass-early-sai-baba-devotees/ Touching report from Ram Dass on his meeting Sai Baba back in those early days of the 1960's. He tells us here how Baba created a ring for him. He tells u... View on sathyasaimemories.w... https://sathyasaimemories.wordpress.com/2016/01/17/a-flicker-of-faith-ram-dass-early-sai-baba-devotees/ Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] From My Home Town
If Trump gets elected, I will be seeking refugee status in Canada. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Great! When he (Obama) gets through with Canada, you guys will be seeking annexation to the US to crawl out from under his mess. From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] From My Home Town ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Please take him and do it quickly. Richard Brunt has blinders on and sees only what he *wants* to see. The full effects of his administration have yet to be completely realized. He has more than doubled the debt of all Administrations that preceded him. Printing up money is not the same as creating wealth. 200,000 jobs a month can't keep our heads above water. They are lousy, low paying , and part time jobs. Seventeen percent of those jobs have gone to illegal immigrants. The unemployment numbers do not account for those that have given up looking for work. More people than ever are on government assistance programs including food stamps, welfare and unemployment. The middle class is shrinking. Race relations are at the lowest that they have been since before the civil rights movement began. Even Tavis Smiley admits that blacks have done very poorly, even regressed economically, under Obama. Obama gave back hard won and costly victories and surrendered Iraq to Iran and ISIS. Completely destabilized the middle- east, where our allies don't trust us any longer. Stabbed Mubarak a long time ally, who creating stability, in the back turning Egypt over to the Muslim Brotherhood. Libya is now a failed state run by ISIS. Draws imaginary *red-lines* in the sands of Syria. His policies have seen the greatest influx of refugees from Africa and the middle-east into Europe. He releases terrorist back to the battlefield. There have been more terrorist attacks on the homeland since 9/11 than ever occurred during the Bush administration. He didn't get Bin Laden, the CIA did. He just accepted the political responsibility, knowing if it ever got out that he wouldn't, he'd be run out of the country. Putin is on the move, taking Georgia and seizing parts of the Ukraine, threatening other countries once controlled by the former Soviet Union. Oh, I'm just getting started. But Please, do us a favor and take that *bastard*(literally and figuratively) from us and do it quickly! Well, we have a fairly promising young PM now but if Obama wants to come up as his advisor that would be fine with a lot of Canadians. From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 8:54 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] From My Home Town This is how many Canadians feel about Obama. This particular letter to the Editor was penned by someone from Victoria.
Re: [FairfieldLife] From My Home Town
I read you Mike, because I learn what people with your political views think and why they think that way. I see it as so far removed from reality. It's difficult for me to comprehend sometimes how we could all be looking at an orange, and some of us simply see a pineapple. We live in two different realities, perhaps driven more by the differences in our personalities than anything else. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : "If we'd had a marginally semi-cooperative congress? Are you for real? He had a completely dominate Democratic congress for two freaking years that gave him any and everything he wanted and the current Republican congress is doing almost the exact same thing now! They have given him over a trillion dollars in money that the government has to barrow and or print every year for eight years! The largest deficit Bush ran was about five hundred billion and that was for one year, before TARP and the rest of his deficits were sharply declining, averaging less than three hundred billion. Bush kept the economy afloat until his last year but had warned the congress, back in 2001 and later, along with McCain and a few others that the housing bubble was about to bust and congress needed to make some serious reforms which Barney Frank and Chris Dodd refused to even consider and stood in the way of! Bush and McCAin warned that the US , thru FANNIE MAE could not continue to guarantee the liberal banking policies that allowed the loans that were being made. From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 12:18 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] From My Home Town Gzzz. If we'd had an even marginally semi-cooperative Congress, Obama could have been an extremely effective president. Bush was a complete disaster; how quickly so many forget where we were at when he left office. We are definitely in a better place now. I'm with the guy from Canada on this one. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Wow, that's too bad. This guy been snowed! For one thing the economy isn't good at all. Obama out and out lied about that! It's like he's hanging out in Washington state and smoking ganja. New jobs? Of course there were some season hires for the holiday season. It happens every year and those are not permanent jobs nor do the pay much. In fact most new jobs don't pay much. America is leading the world? Where? I don't think the rest of the world respects a country that bombs innocent civilians. People voted for Obama to get rid of the taste of Bush. But Obama just kept on with the same ol' same ol'. Then people voted against Romney because they trusted him even less. I would have expected you to know economics far better than this. Must not have been your best subject. Or did somebody or something put a pod outside your door? Haha, no. I think Obama (and here we are getting into politics, the dangerous subject where no one ever changes anyone's mind) has done the best he could given the terrible resistance he has run into with Congress and the shmazzle of the previous Bush government to fix, the guy was reduced to running on 1 cylinder. I think it is easy to be very, very critical of the man or woman running your own country. No one can work miracles especially when so many are running blocker on them. If you are unhappy with your country's situation you can not look to one man to blame. You need to look at the past, the present in terms of how your government is operating and how they are a very real impediment or detriment to what someone is trying to do, even if what they are trying to do seems like a positive or good thing. No man runs the Presidency alone. I personally believe Obama to be a good human being. He is not a miracle worker nor is he infallible. However, a good human being does not guarantee an effective Presidential candidate. What I do agree with you on is that I don't necessarily assert that "America is leading the world". However, the point of my posting this was to illustrate how Canadians feel about your President. On 01/16/2016 06:54 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: This is how many Canadians feel about Obama. This particular letter to the Editor was penned by someone from Victoria.
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There you go with the fear again Mike. So obvious. Try and objectify a bit and go in and take a look at what drives your fear (from an emotional standpoint). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I think you'll be welcomed. Just don't rape any guys. But then From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] From My Home Town If Trump gets elected, I will be seeking refugee status in Canada. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Great! When he (Obama) gets through with Canada, you guys will be seeking annexation to the US to crawl out from under his mess. From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] From My Home Town ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Please take him and do it quickly. Richard Brunt has blinders on and sees only what he *wants* to see. The full effects of his administration have yet to be completely realized. He has more than doubled the debt of all Administrations that preceded him. Printing up money is not the same as creating wealth. 200,000 jobs a month can't keep our heads above water. They are lousy, low paying , and part time jobs. Seventeen percent of those jobs have gone to illegal immigrants. The unemployment numbers do not account for those that have given up looking for work. More people than ever are on government assistance programs including food stamps, welfare and unemployment. The middle class is shrinking. Race relations are at the lowest that they have been since before the civil rights movement began. Even Tavis Smiley admits that blacks have done very poorly, even regressed economically, under Obama. Obama gave back hard won and costly victories and surrendered Iraq to Iran and ISIS. Completely destabilized the middle- east, where our allies don't trust us any longer. Stabbed Mubarak a long time ally, who creating stability, in the back turning Egypt over to the Muslim Brotherhood. Libya is now a failed state run by ISIS. Draws imaginary *red-lines* in the sands of Syria. His policies have seen the greatest influx of refugees from Africa and the middle-east into Europe. He releases terrorist back to the battlefield. There have been more terrorist attacks on the homeland since 9/11 than ever occurred during the Bush administration. He didn't get Bin Laden, the CIA did. He just accepted the political responsibility, knowing if it ever got out that he wouldn't, he'd be run out of the country. Putin is on the move, taking Georgia and seizing parts of the Ukraine, threatening other countries once controlled by the former Soviet Union. Oh, I'm just getting started. But Please, do us a favor and take that *bastard*(literally and figuratively) from us and do it quickly! Well, we have a fairly promising young PM now but if Obama wants to come up as his advisor that would be fine with a lot of Canadians. From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 8:54 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] From My Home Town This is how many Canadians feel about Obama. This particular letter to the Editor was penned by someone from Victoria.
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Reflecting the Frontline piece on this topic.Obama is not responsible for the Shia/Sunni dynamic. He is not responsible for the atrocities committed by Maliki in his fear of, and inability to, lead and further what needed to be an inclusively represented government in Iraq. Was he trying to get us out of Iraq? Yes, he was. We shouldn't have been there in the first place, in that we were there based on false pretenses. It wasn't a war the citizens here were in favor of either, particularly after it was clear Bush and cronies had forwarded the WMD story falsely (which I thought was obvious BS from the beginning, but so many believed.) Did the removal of US troops allow for the existing rage there to erupt and contribute to the formation of ISIL. Maybe? Is the caliphate dangerous? Very. There needs to be a coordinated effort to continue to go after ISIS and all countries need to get on board. We can't do it alone and we can't occupy and police other countries indefinitely. Violence breeds violence and ISIS is a perfect example of the evil stemming from that principle. Your rigid insistence of repeating right-wing rhetoric as truth is tiresome. The debt sentence you cite doesn't reflect the truth; we've been over that. Here's the scoop on that again for you. http://www.politifact.com/new-jersey/statements/2012/may/04/chain-email/obama-has-added-more-national-debt-previous-43-pre/ http://www.politifact.com/new-jersey/statements/2012/may/04/chain-email/obama-has-added-more-national-debt-previous-43-pre/ http://www.politifact.com/new-jersey/statements/2012/may/04/chain-email/o... http://www.politifact.com/new-jersey/statements/2012/may/04/chain-email/obama-has-added-more-national-debt-previous-43-pre/ � View on www.politifact.com http://www.politifact.com/new-jersey/statements/2012/may/04/chain-email/obama-has-added-more-national-debt-previous-43-pre/ Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Please take him and do it quickly. Richard Brunt has blinders on and sees only what he *wants* to see. The full effects of his administration have yet to be completely realized. He has more than doubled the debt of all Administrations that preceded him. Printing up money is not the same as creating wealth. 200,000 jobs a month can't keep our heads above water. They are lousy, low paying , and part time jobs. Seventeen percent of those jobs have gone to illegal immigrants. The unemployment numbers do not account for those that have given up looking for work. More people than ever are on government assistance programs including food stamps, welfare and unemployment. The middle class is shrinking. Race relations are at the lowest that they have been since before the civil rights movement began. Even Tavis Smiley admits that blacks have done very poorly, even regressed economically, under Obama. Obama gave back hard won and costly victories and surrendered Iraq to Iran and ISIS. Completely destabilized the middle- east, where our allies don't trust us any longer. Stabbed Mubarak a long time ally, who creating stability, in the back turning Egypt over to the Muslim Brotherhood. Libya is now a failed state run by ISIS. Draws imaginary *red-lines* in the sands of Syria. His policies have seen the greatest influx of refugees from Africa and the middle-east into Europe. He releases terrorist back to the battlefield. There have been more terrorist attacks on the homeland since 9/11 than ever occurred during the Bush administration. He didn't get Bin Laden, the CIA did. He just accepted the political responsibility, knowing if it ever got out that he wouldn't, he'd be run out of the country. Putin is on the move, taking Georgia and seizing parts of the Ukraine, threatening other countries once controlled by the former Soviet Union. Oh, I'm just getting started. But Please, do us a favor and take that *bastard*(literally and figuratively) from us and do it quickly! From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 8:54 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] From My Home Town This is how many Canadians feel about Obama. This particular letter to the Editor was penned by someone from Victoria.
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He's a "bottom feeder." This is an excellent assessment of Trump. I don't personally fear Trump. I can, if I choose, descend into outrage at his antics, but I really don't give him any energy at all. You are generalizing again; only a small number of the New's Year's Eve mob has been identified as "asylum seekers." Do you really believe that "refugees are rapists?" as a blanket statement? "Donald Trump is the new face of white supremacy," says hate crime expert. http://watchingthewheelsdad.net/2015/08/24/donald-trump-is-the-new-face-of-white-supremacy-says-hate-crime-expert/ http://watchingthewheelsdad.net/2015/08/24/donald-trump-is-the-new-face-of-white-supremacy-says-hate-crime-expert/ "Donald Trump is the new face of white supremacy,&q... http://watchingthewheelsdad.net/2015/08/24/donald-trump-is-the-new-face-of-white-supremacy-says-hate-crime-expert/ August 24, 2015 Before you think this article is “just one liberal’s opinion,” let me briefly say I have dedicated my life to studying racism. I earned my PhD from ... View on watchingthewheelsda... http://watchingthewheelsdad.net/2015/08/24/donald-trump-is-the-new-face-of-white-supremacy-says-hate-crime-expert/ Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Fear? That was humor. You're the one that fears Trump. I was simply playing off the Syrian refugee situation in Germany. From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] From My Home Town There you go with the fear again Mike. So obvious. Try and objectify a bit and go in and take a look at what drives your fear (from an emotional standpoint). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I think you'll be welcomed. Just don't rape any guys. But then From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] From My Home Town If Trump gets elected, I will be seeking refugee status in Canada. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Great! When he (Obama) gets through with Canada, you guys will be seeking annexation to the US to crawl out from under his mess. From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] From My Home Town ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Please take him and do it quickly. Richard Brunt has blinders on and sees only what he *wants* to see. The full effects of his administration have yet to be completely realized. He has more than doubled the debt of all Administrations that preceded him. Printing up money is not the same as creating wealth. 200,000 jobs a month can't keep our heads above water. They are lousy, low paying , and part time jobs. Seventeen percent of those jobs have gone to illegal immigrants. The unemployment numbers do not account for those that have given up looking for work. More people than ever are on government assistance programs including food stamps, welfare and unemployment. The middle class is shrinking. Race relations are at the lowest that they have been since before the civil rights movement began. Even Tavis Smiley admits that blacks have done very poorly, even regressed economically, under Obama. Obama gave back hard won and costly victories and surrendered Iraq to Iran and ISIS. Completely destabilized the middle- east, where our allies don't trust us any longer. Stabbed Mubarak a long time ally, who creating stability, in the back turning Egypt over to the Muslim Brotherhood. Libya is now a failed state run by ISIS. Draws imaginary *red-lines* in the sands of Syria. His policies have seen the greatest influx of refugees from Africa and the middle-east into Europe. He releases terrorist back to the battlefield. There have been more terrorist attacks on the homeland since 9/11 than ever occurred during the Bush administration. He didn't get Bin Laden, the CIA did. He just accepted the political responsibility, knowing if it ever got out that he wouldn't, he'd be run out of the country. Putin is on the move, taking Georgia and seizing parts of the Ukraine, threatening other countries once controlled by the former Soviet Union. Oh, I'm just getting started. But Please, do us a favor and take that *bastard*(literally and figuratively) from us and do it quickly! Well, we have a fairly promising young PM now but if Obama wants to come up as his advisor that would be fine with a lot of Canadians. From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 8:54 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] From My Home Town This is how many Canadians feel about Obama. This particular letter to the Editor was penned by someone from
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Excuse you. From the nationalist perspective, Iraq posed no immediate threat to the US and there were no WMD's or functioning biological weapons. We had no exit strategy when we went in and were there for 10 years. They wanted us out; our citizens wanted us out. Yes, there are consequences to all decisions. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Emily, Bush turned a bad situation around in Iraq. Yes , you can question our initial presence there all you want. It certainly wasn't *blood for oil*. But Bush had won the hearts, minds, trust and cooperation of the Sunnis which required our stabilization efforts to continue, mainly by a stabilizing force of 30-40 thousand troops, inactive for the most part, similar to what we did with Germany and Japan at the end of WW2 . Shiia had power they had never had before and Iran was manipulating them. Obama wanted out at *all costs* and definitely didn't want to see Bush's efforts succeed. How would that look? He didn't want us there in the first place and if Bush made a silk purse out of a sow's ear that wasn't going to make him look good. Obama did everything in his power to thwart the work Bush had done. Obama had been warned by numerous military and political experts that if we left Iraq too early that Iraq would become exactly what we see today. From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] From My Home Town Reflecting the Frontline piece on this topic.Obama is not responsible for the Shia/Sunni dynamic. He is not responsible for the atrocities committed by Maliki in his fear of, and inability to, lead and further what needed to be an inclusively represented government in Iraq. Was he trying to get us out of Iraq? Yes, he was. We shouldn't have been there in the first place, in that we were there based on false pretenses. It wasn't a war the citizens here were in favor of either, particularly after it was clear Bush and cronies had forwarded the WMD story falsely (which I thought was obvious BS from the beginning, but so many believed.) Did the removal of US troops allow for the existing rage there to erupt and contribute to the formation of ISIL. Maybe? Is the caliphate dangerous? Very. There needs to be a coordinated effort to continue to go after ISIS and all countries need to get on board. We can't do it alone and we can't occupy and police other countries indefinitely. Violence breeds violence and ISIS is a perfect example of the evil stemming from that principle. Your rigid insistence of repeating right-wing rhetoric as truth is tiresome. The debt sentence you cite doesn't reflect the truth; we've been over that. Here's the scoop on that again for you. http://www.politifact.com/new-jersey/statements/2012/may/04/chain-email/obama-has-added-more-national-debt-previous-43-pre/ http://www.politifact.com/new-jersey/statements/2012/may/04/chain-email/obama-has-added-more-national-debt-previous-43-pre/ http://www.politifact.com/new-jersey/statements/2012/may/04/chain-email/o... http://www.politifact.com/new-jersey/statements/2012/may/04/chain-email/obama-has-added-more-national-debt-previous-43-pre/ � View on www.politifact.com http://www.politifact.com/new-jersey/statements/2012/may/04/chain-email/obama-has-added-more-national-debt-previous-43-pre/ Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Please take him and do it quickly. Richard Brunt has blinders on and sees only what he *wants* to see. The full effects of his administration have yet to be completely realized. He has more than doubled the debt of all Administrations that preceded him. Printing up money is not the same as creating wealth. 200,000 jobs a month can't keep our heads above water. They are lousy, low paying , and part time jobs. Seventeen percent of those jobs have gone to illegal immigrants. The unemployment numbers do not account for those that have given up looking for work. More people than ever are on government assistance programs including food stamps, welfare and unemployment. The middle class is shrinking. Race relations are at the lowest that they have been since before the civil rights movement began. Even Tavis Smiley admits that blacks have done very poorly, even regressed economically, under Obama. Obama gave back hard won and costly victories and surrendered Iraq to Iran and ISIS. Completely destabilized the middle- east, where our allies don't trust us any longer. Stabbed Mubarak a long time ally, who creating stability, in the back turning Egypt over to the Muslim Brotherhood. Libya is now a failed state run by ISIS. Draws imaginary *red-lines* in the sands of Syria. His policies have seen the greatest influx of refugees from Africa and the middle-east into Europe. He releases terrorist back to the battlefield. There ha
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I have no idea why so many call him a "master" anything, except "master bully." He's a terrible pitchman; he appeals to, and manipulates irrational fear in the psyches of the minority few, really. I have faith his agenda will evaporate in a conflagration of his own making when the votes start to really matter. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : did you ever watch his show, "The Apprentice"? I watched several seasons of it, so I've seen a lot of The Donald before. Nothing different this time; he is a master salesman and master marketeer - except the product is The Presidency vs. a golf course or hotel. And despite not being qualified for the job, he is acing the interview. A salesman, like Trump, always sells the sizzle, not the steak - I read several transcripts of Trump speeches and they are surprisingly mild, almost inconsequential. What upsets people so much is the *perceptions* he creates, and one way he is so successful is the same way a salesman is - he doesn't involve himself in a long contract, or well laid out speeches on policy, he just paints pictures of this country that resonate with his audience, without committing to anything. One of the best pitchmen I have seen. It is impossible to pin him down, and yet his momentum continues. However, if he wins the Republican nomination, which he may, there is absolutely zero chance of him being elected President. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I'd vote him in for a third term - He is the most responsible, and concerned President we have had in a looong time. It has been a stain on this country that the racists in Congress sought not to work with him, mainly due to the color of his skin. The one brilliant result of the "W" presidency was that it exposed for the country, the facist foundation that the ruling class seeks to promote; too big to fail institutions, tax breaks for the wealthy during wartime, gutting social security, trashing the environment for $$$, consumer interest rates at zero, rising commodity prices in the face of abundance, etc. A very radical agenda by the ultra-rich, bordering on domestic terrorism. Their bombs explode much more slowly, but cause many more casualties. I don't think a Republican could get elected President now, with all the money in the world, and that's a good thing. And Trump is the front runner in the Republican bid for the White House. What the hell does that tell you? I have an employee, she is fairly young, and she loves Obama (although she is far from political) and didn't realize a US President could only occupy the White House for two terms unlike Canadian PM's who can stick around a lot longer. She was hoping he might be re-elected in the case he could actually run again. She is horrified by Trump - can't believe her eyes. Man, that guy is such a colossal embarrassment for not only the US but for the GOP. Astounding. So, I would have to agree that a Democrat will be inhabiting the walls of the White House again after the November election, in that way we can thank the blowhard. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Gzzz. If we'd had an even marginally semi-cooperative Congress, Obama could have been an extremely effective president. Bush was a complete disaster; how quickly so many forget where we were at when he left office. We are definitely in a better place now. I'm with the guy from Canada on this one. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Wow, that's too bad. This guy been snowed! For one thing the economy isn't good at all. Obama out and out lied about that! It's like he's hanging out in Washington state and smoking ganja. New jobs? Of course there were some season hires for the holiday season. It happens every year and those are not permanent jobs nor do the pay much. In fact most new jobs don't pay much. America is leading the world? Where? I don't think the rest of the world respects a country that bombs innocent civilians. People voted for Obama to get rid of the taste of Bush. But Obama just kept on with the same ol' same ol'. Then people voted against Romney because they trusted him even less. I would have expected you to know economics far better than this. Must not have been your best subject. Or did somebody or something put a pod outside your door? Haha, no. I think Obama (and here we are getting into politics, the dangerous subject where no one ever changes anyone's mind) has done the best he could given the terrible resistance he has run into with Congress and the shmazzle of the previous Bush government to fix, the guy was reduced to running on 1 cylinder. I think it is easy to be very, very critical of the man or woman running your own country. No one can work miracles especially when so many are running blocker on
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Absolutely they were. Takes all that and a lot of $$ to immigrate to Canada, if one isn't a refugee or asking for political asylum or getting married to a "Canuck." I explored the possibility years ago after 2008, I think. :) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : They weren't missed. Probably saved us on our social programs expenditures. Hardly, these were educated, well-heeled professional adults and families. I hope they are registered to vote absentee - more votes for the Democrats. I've filed for my ballot. Gotta do my part... From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] From My Home Town ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : If Trump gets elected, I will be seeking refugee status in Canada. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Great! When he (Obama) gets through with Canada, you guys will be seeking annexation to the US to crawl out from under his mess. I'm sure you won't be the only one. Many immigrated up here when Bush was elected the second time. From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] From My Home Town ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Please take him and do it quickly. Richard Brunt has blinders on and sees only what he *wants* to see. The full effects of his administration have yet to be completely realized. He has more than doubled the debt of all Administrations that preceded him. Printing up money is not the same as creating wealth. 200,000 jobs a month can't keep our heads above water. They are lousy, low paying , and part time jobs. Seventeen percent of those jobs have gone to illegal immigrants. The unemployment numbers do not account for those that have given up looking for work. More people than ever are on government assistance programs including food stamps, welfare and unemployment. The middle class is shrinking. Race relations are at the lowest that they have been since before the civil rights movement began. Even Tavis Smiley admits that blacks have done very poorly, even regressed economically, under Obama. Obama gave back hard won and costly victories and surrendered Iraq to Iran and ISIS. Completely destabilized the middle- east, where our allies don't trust us any longer. Stabbed Mubarak a long time ally, who creating stability, in the back turning Egypt over to the Muslim Brotherhood. Libya is now a failed state run by ISIS. Draws imaginary *red-lines* in the sands of Syria. His policies have seen the greatest influx of refugees from Africa and the middle-east into Europe. He releases terrorist back to the battlefield. There have been more terrorist attacks on the homeland since 9/11 than ever occurred during the Bush administration. He didn't get Bin Laden, the CIA did. He just accepted the political responsibility, knowing if it ever got out that he wouldn't, he'd be run out of the country. Putin is on the move, taking Georgia and seizing parts of the Ukraine, threatening other countries once controlled by the former Soviet Union. Oh, I'm just getting started. But Please, do us a favor and take that *bastard*(literally and figuratively) from us and do it quickly! Well, we have a fairly promising young PM now but if Obama wants to come up as his advisor that would be fine with a lot of Canadians. From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 8:54 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] From My Home Town This is how many Canadians feel about Obama. This particular letter to the Editor was penned by someone from Victoria.
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Interesting. It's hard for me to take him seriously at all, I admit. Yes, his supporters feel marginalized, as does the Burns OR group. Hard for me to take them seriously either. I never get into political debates in person; political "discussions" always seem to outrage one person or another and serve mostly as landfills for the negative emotions of anger and fear, imho. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/13/i-went-to-donald-trump-rally-in-my-hijab-supporters-arent-just-racist-caricatures http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/13/i-went-to-donald-trump-rally-in-my-hijab-supporters-arent-just-racist-caricatures
Re: [FairfieldLife] From My Home Town
Alright already! How would I *know* it's an "excellent" assessment? My opinion, obviously! "Excellent" is a subjective word, completely. I liked it. How do you *know* that it's not? While I understand that Trump has a following, I just can't engage. He feels like sheer darkness. I don't consider sexual rape funny; not for anyone, ever, in any country by any person. I get that you were trying to be funny. But, I don't appreciate all humor; humor depends a lot on context and delivery and also one's mood. I don't disagree that there are a lot of issues that a country takes on when it is faced with many thousands of refugees in a short period of time. The US has had and has its growing pains also and we have significantly more landmass and thus, "room" than other countries. Our ancestors are all immigrants and refugees, Mike, remember. If yours hadn't migrated, you might not be here now to enjoy your visit. "are you a visitor?" asked the dog, "yes," i answered. "only a visitor?" asked the dog. "yes," i answered. "take me with you," said the dog. ~ Robert Lax I think the "new" reality (not that new) is that the planet is our "country," really, and the more connected we are economically and technologically on a global scale, the more this awareness rises. Only coordinated efforts have any effect, positively or negatively. ISIS/ISIL is basically a global problem, or has the potential to be, wouldn't you agree? They don't care about borders. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : And how would you know if that was an *excellent* assessment of Trump? How do you know it's not a bunch of political rhetoric designed to scare the low information voter into voting against him? I hear that crap every election, churches will burn, he's going to put y'all back in chains, etc etc. I remember the NAACP running an ad against Bush showing a pick-up truck dragging a chain behind it on a dirt road. He's going to take away your right to vote. Black Lives Matter hasn't been that successful in getting people fired up and many black people are fed-up with Obama and his record on helping them and many are looking at Trump as a possible alternative to the Democrats. Again the *rape* comment was humor, based on the events in Germany and their immigrant situation, whether they are Syrian, North African or whatever. Unfortunately, it's not isolated to Germany and New Years eve. Sweden is having a rape epidemic caused primarily by Middle-eastern and African immigrants, most of whom happen to be Muslims playing their little rape games. When you suggested that if Trump were elected that you might immigrate to Canada, my response was fine just don't rape anyone. I don't know, someone might have seen the humor in it. Did I say that all refugees were rapists? No. Unfortunately the overwhelming majority of rapes in Sweden are done by Immigrants from North Africa and the middle- east. And the overwhelming majority of sexual molestation in Cologne Germany that night were the same. The media, politicians, and authorities tried to hide it at first. But now even Merkel admits that maybe the *F*ed up and are now turning refugees away. The vetting process for these refugees has been a sham and put people in their own countries in danger. From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] From My Home Town He's a "bottom feeder." This is an excellent assessment of Trump. I don't personally fear Trump. I can, if I choose, descend into outrage at his antics, but I really don't give him any energy at all. You are generalizing again; only a small number of the New's Year's Eve mob has been identified as "asylum seekers." Do you really believe that "refugees are rapists?" as a blanket statement? "Donald Trump is the new face of white supremacy," says hate crime expert. http://watchingthewheelsdad.net/2015/08/24/donald-trump-is-the-new-face-of-white-supremacy-says-hate-crime-expert/ http://watchingthewheelsdad.net/2015/08/24/donald-trump-is-the-new-face-of-white-supremacy-says-hate-crime-expert/ "Donald Trump is the new face of white supremacy,&q... http://watchingthewheelsdad.net/2015/08/24/donald-trump-is-the-new-face-of-white-supremacy-says-hate-crime-expert/ August 24, 2015 Before you think this article is “just one liberal’s opinion,” let me briefly say I have dedicated my life to studying racism. I earned my PhD from ... View on watchingthewheelsda... http://watchingthewheelsdad.net/2015/08/24/donald-trump-is-the-new-face-of-white-supremacy-says-hate-crime-expert/ Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Fear? That was humor. You're the one that fears Trump. I was simply playing off the Syrian refugee situation in Germany. From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" To: Fairfi
Re: [FairfieldLife] From My Home Town
Ha, that is funny. Considering that "I don't give him any energy," I gave him some today. Yep, he has a fan club. Yep, he's all about winning. Yep, I think he has come across as boorish and uninformed from the get go. Personally, I'm a Joe Biden fan and think he could have won it, had he wanted it. He's certainly been in service all his life. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I refer to him that way because, 'where's the beef?' with Trump, and yet, he is on everyone's mind. The media can't get enough of him. He is deliberately creating a frenzy around himself, and doing it exceptionally well. He's selling himself, like the guy who "invented" the pet rock. Nothing there, but people clamor for it. Very skillfully done. You probably think I am endorsing him. Nope, but he sells his brand better than any politician. He recognizes that the nomination is fundamentally about sales and marketing, and he knows his audience. It is a game to him, just as his TV show was a game to him, and he is all about winning the game. Yes, I agree with you about the votes. The actual election isn't about sales and marketing. It is about substance, and that is where he will founder, appearing boorish and uninformed. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I have no idea why so many call him a "master" anything, except "master bully." He's a terrible pitchman; he appeals to, and manipulates irrational fear in the psyches of the minority few, really. I have faith his agenda will evaporate in a conflagration of his own making when the votes start to really matter. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : did you ever watch his show, "The Apprentice"? I watched several seasons of it, so I've seen a lot of The Donald before. Nothing different this time; he is a master salesman and master marketeer - except the product is The Presidency vs. a golf course or hotel. And despite not being qualified for the job, he is acing the interview. A salesman, like Trump, always sells the sizzle, not the steak - I read several transcripts of Trump speeches and they are surprisingly mild, almost inconsequential. What upsets people so much is the *perceptions* he creates, and one way he is so successful is the same way a salesman is - he doesn't involve himself in a long contract, or well laid out speeches on policy, he just paints pictures of this country that resonate with his audience, without committing to anything. One of the best pitchmen I have seen. It is impossible to pin him down, and yet his momentum continues. However, if he wins the Republican nomination, which he may, there is absolutely zero chance of him being elected President. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I'd vote him in for a third term - He is the most responsible, and concerned President we have had in a looong time. It has been a stain on this country that the racists in Congress sought not to work with him, mainly due to the color of his skin. The one brilliant result of the "W" presidency was that it exposed for the country, the facist foundation that the ruling class seeks to promote; too big to fail institutions, tax breaks for the wealthy during wartime, gutting social security, trashing the environment for $$$, consumer interest rates at zero, rising commodity prices in the face of abundance, etc. A very radical agenda by the ultra-rich, bordering on domestic terrorism. Their bombs explode much more slowly, but cause many more casualties. I don't think a Republican could get elected President now, with all the money in the world, and that's a good thing. And Trump is the front runner in the Republican bid for the White House. What the hell does that tell you? I have an employee, she is fairly young, and she loves Obama (although she is far from political) and didn't realize a US President could only occupy the White House for two terms unlike Canadian PM's who can stick around a lot longer. She was hoping he might be re-elected in the case he could actually run again. She is horrified by Trump - can't believe her eyes. Man, that guy is such a colossal embarrassment for not only the US but for the GOP. Astounding. So, I would have to agree that a Democrat will be inhabiting the walls of the White House again after the November election, in that way we can thank the blowhard. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Gzzz. If we'd had an even marginally semi-cooperative Congress, Obama could have been an extremely effective president. Bush was a complete disaster; how quickly so many forget where we were at when he left office. We are definitely in a better place now. I'm with the guy from Canada on this one. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Wow, that's too bad. This guy been snowed! For one thin
[FairfieldLife] Re: You White Folk Should Be Full of Shame
Check your link, Empty ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : More to the point: what kind of parent would want to see their children shamed just for being what they are? Who? Psychopathic parents and Pychopathic shills from Canada. All of them various types of Red Diaper Babies grown up to be good NeoMarxists. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Diapers:_Growing_Up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Diapers:_Growing_Up
[FairfieldLife] Re: The volcano of Islamic terrorism
Check your link, Empty ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Most people on this forum are so under-educated about Islam and its history that they can only parrot ignorant drivel. Ignorance is your origin. Ignorance is your destiny. Ignorance is your "right". Slack-jawed - this the only clear snapshot of some of the posters here. Read it and weep or read it and sleep. Who cares?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Is this right?
Listen up Mike, he's got "centuries" of experience! He knows his work history back through his past lives. (That could make a helluva resume.) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I think you mean "free enterprise" not capitalism. It doesn't take big money to do that. I worked for centuries without capitalism. On 01/18/2016 06:12 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... mailto:mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: It all works together! Businesses arent 'going to have anything to sell to the middle class or anyone, if they can't barrow to stock their stores with goods.It's called C-A-P-I-T-A-I-S-M. From: "Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]" mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is this right? What about the middle class? If they have income they spend it too and there are magnitudes more of them than the rich. Your argument is a straw man. On 01/18/2016 02:36 PM, Mike Dixon mailto:mdixon.6569@...mdixon.6569@... mailto:mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Dude! those are examples. Rich people don't go out and bury their wealth. They buy things and/or put it to work. If they put it in a bank, the bank uses it to loan to people, companies, cities, states and nations who in turn pays people with it for services, products and pensions. The money works! The rich manage it. From: "Bhairitu mailto:noozguru@...noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]" mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.comfairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is this right? ROTFL! Mike, you DO realize building products like that don't put a lot of people to work? Much if it is custom built with small crews. Stop celebrating the rich screwing you over. I guess you think it feels good? A middle class with the ability to spend would way outweigh the rich ability to put people to work. On 01/18/2016 01:00 PM, Mike Dixon mailto:mdixon.6569@...mdixon.6569@... mailto:mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Somebody builds those yachts, mansions, Cadillacs, etc.Somebody maintains them, Somebody sells them, Somebody transports them. Somebody buys them and pays taxes on them. Somebody hires financial planners and lawyers to work for them. I would say the rich put a lot of people to work, one way or another. From: "Bhairitu mailto:noozguru@...noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]" mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.comfairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 11:26 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Is this right? Doyou think this is fair or right? Billionairism is mental disease called greed. And don't tell me they're the jobs creators. It's small businesses that are the jobs creators. The big companies buy up the small ones and lay people off. Acquisitions are a bad business fad. Corporations should be limited in size and lifespan. And taxes should increase of the wealthy to discourage wealth accumulation and contracting billionairism. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/global-wealth-inequality_56991defe4b0ce4964242e09http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/global-wealth-inequality_56991defe4b0ce4964242e09 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/global-wealth-inequality_56991defe4b0ce4964242e09
[FairfieldLife] Re: Human brain can store 10 times the memories than previously thought
No, it apparently doesn't where it puts them! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Problem is that it doesn't where it put them. :-D http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3409210/Why-good-remembering-human-brain-store-10-TIMES-memories-previously-thought-says-study.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3409210/Why-good-remembering-human-brain-store-10-TIMES-memories-previously-thought-says-study.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Joy! Here comes the Super Bowl
It makes you a sane optimist. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The Super Bowl this year is being hosted in the SF Bay Area. You might think people would be thrilled but this IS one of the most liberal parts of the US. The Super Bowl is a big commercial deal. People are upset because their day-to-days for that weekend will be messed up. To make things worse the NFL asked for 500 volunteers to be part of the half time show. No pay, no gifts and you don't even get to see the game. One local talk host said the NFL could go "screw themselves". They are also asking for unpaid volunteers elsewhere. Even out here folks on the local news blog were discussing the private jets that will probably flying in and out of Buchanan Field as the rich arrive to watch the game and how annoying that will be. Is this what life would be like under Trump? Working for a Dollar a Day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaXgXf1bVXs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaXgXf1bVXs Working for a Dollar a Day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaXgXf1bVXs Take a trip to the near future where the global elite have done away with the middle class and implemented a feudal society. View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaXgXf1bVXs Preview by Yahoo Don't worry, Trump is no more going to be President than I am. He's been entertaining in a perverse sort of way but reason and sanity will prevail, in the end. Does that make me an optimist or stupid?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Only Donald Du..er...Trump bests Hillary!
Re: "If I were rich and he got elected, I would immediately high-tail it for some place else where my money was safe." Switzerland? The Cayman Islands? Luxembourg? One of these countries? http://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/062315/top-countries-where-wealthy-retire.asp http://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/062315/top-countries-where-wealthy-retire.asp Or, you could be of moderate wealth and leave for one of these countries, perhaps. Turkey is quite affordable; don't let anyone try to take you into a bar for a drink though. http://money.usnews.com/money/retirement/slideshows/9-affordable-places-to-retire-overseas/9 http://money.usnews.com/money/retirement/slideshows/9-affordable-places-to-retire-overseas/9 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Oh, he's going to get a *refund* on any and all *wars of empire*? I don't think so. He couldn't pay for what he is proposing if he confiscated every penny of the wealthy! If I were rich and he got elected, I would immediately high-tail it for some place else where my money was safe. You don't think others won't do the same? OK, so now the rich have fled, so he raises the taxes of who ever is left with an income other than *public assistance*. please dude, use your brain. No one wants to be a slave of the State. From: "Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Only Donald Du..er...Trump bests Hillary! If Sanders can even do what he wants the money wasted on wars of empire will pay for his programs, lower the debt and taxes. He's only proposing raising taxes on the rich who have made out like bandits anyway. I know you worship at the feet hoping they will pee money on you. On 01/21/2016 10:45 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... mailto:mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yes, my sister told me about that University prediction. Scary! We already have a twenty+trillion dollar debt and Sanders will more than double it, if he can. However, he'll need a Democratic congress to get any of it done. Everything is going to be *free*. He wants a 92% tax rate on businesses and the rich. What will they do? Move over seas. Which means he'll need to raise everybody else's taxes.He won't be able to race- bait Republicans like Obama has. I predict that if Sanders is elected that he'll be assassinated pretty quickly and probably by someone within the government. Possibly even a coup. From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" mailto:awoelflebater@...[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Only Donald Du..er...Trump bests Hillary! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:mdixon.6569@... wrote : I have a feeling Clinton will not be nominated. She's in pretty hot water now.I've heard that the FBI has 150 people investigating her E-mail situation now and has opened a new investigation. It seems that very sensitive E-mails, far above *top Secret*, that never should have been on her server, have been found and the Clinton Foundation had access to them. Petraeus was found guilty and demoted for far less and is about to lose his retired rank that would include his pension. It's looking as if the FBI could demand her prosecution and if Obama stands in the way well, the fit is going to hit the shan. It looks like the Dems are going to be stuck nominating a Socialist. Looks like you might be right: http://firebrandleft.com/university-100-accuracy-record-predicts-bernie-sanders-will-americas-next-president/http://firebrandleft.com/university-100-accuracy-record-predicts-bernie-sanders-will-americas-next-president/ http://firebrandleft.com/university-100-accuracy-record-predicts-bernie-sanders-will-americas-next-president/ http://www.mediaite.com/print/guess-who-wins-the-presidency-according-to-school-with-100-prediction-history/http://www.mediaite.com/print/guess-who-wins-the-presidency-according-to-school-with-100-prediction-history/ http://www.mediaite.com/print/guess-who-wins-the-presidency-according-to-school-with-100-prediction-history/ From: "hepa7@... [FairfieldLife]" mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 8:51 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Only Donald Du..er...Trump bests Hillary! Poll: Only Trump Bests Hillary & Bernie In Florida - Breitbart http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/21/poll-only-trump-bests-hillary-bernie-in-florida/ Poll: Only Trump Bests Hillary & Bernie In Florida - Bre... Poll: Only Trump Bests Hillary & Bernie In Florida View on www.breitbart.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Joy! Here comes the Super Bowl
Mike, you've got your opinion correlated to the pulse of the GOP headlines—no kidding. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Could be both a stupid optimist. It's looking like Trump may be starting to attract the Republican elite since he is a *deal cutter*. They would rather deal with him and his New York liberal values than Cruz , a strict constitutionalist that bucks the system. As I said earlier, I don't think Hillary has a prayer now. She'll probably be indicted before the convention. She had six people turn up to greet her at an airport here in Texas today and she snubbed them. Millennials don't even know who she is. I seriously can't see the country voting in a self avowed socialist. People want jobs and security and somebody that will fight for that. Everyone knows that Bernsie only offers pie in the sky that can't be paid for. From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 8:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Joy! Here comes the Super Bowl ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The Super Bowl this year is being hosted in the SF Bay Area. You might think people would be thrilled but this IS one of the most liberal parts of the US. The Super Bowl is a big commercial deal. People are upset because their day-to-days for that weekend will be messed up. To make things worse the NFL asked for 500 volunteers to be part of the half time show. No pay, no gifts and you don't even get to see the game. One local talk host said the NFL could go "screw themselves". They are also asking for unpaid volunteers elsewhere. Even out here folks on the local news blog were discussing the private jets that will probably flying in and out of Buchanan Field as the rich arrive to watch the game and how annoying that will be. Is this what life would be like under Trump? Working for a Dollar a Day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaXgXf1bVXs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaXgXf1bVXs Working for a Dollar a Day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaXgXf1bVXs Take a trip to the near future where the global elite have done away with the middle class and implemented a feudal society. View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaXgXf1bVXs Preview by Yahoo Don't worry, Trump is no more going to be President than I am. He's been entertaining in a perverse sort of way but reason and sanity will prevail, in the end. Does that make me an optimist or stupid?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Joy! Here comes the Super Bowl
This is the most interesting thing you've ever said! (Sorry) I'm going to get back to this. Have a good day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : And I know it's not a popular point of view in this particular circle. You probably won't believe that I used to be very liberal. Yes me! LOL However, listening to M's teaching, I believe,grounded me in conservativism by being self reliant,responsible for my own actions, creator of my own destiny and not playing the victim.. From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Joy! Here comes the Super Bowl Mike, you've got your opinion correlated to the pulse of the GOP headlines—no kidding. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Could be both a stupid optimist. It's looking like Trump may be starting to attract the Republican elite since he is a *deal cutter*. They would rather deal with him and his New York liberal values than Cruz , a strict constitutionalist that bucks the system. As I said earlier, I don't think Hillary has a prayer now. She'll probably be indicted before the convention. She had six people turn up to greet her at an airport here in Texas today and she snubbed them. Millennials don't even know who she is. I seriously can't see the country voting in a self avowed socialist. People want jobs and security and somebody that will fight for that. Everyone knows that Bernsie only offers pie in the sky that can't be paid for. From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 8:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Joy! Here comes the Super Bowl ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The Super Bowl this year is being hosted in the SF Bay Area. You might think people would be thrilled but this IS one of the most liberal parts of the US. The Super Bowl is a big commercial deal. People are upset because their day-to-days for that weekend will be messed up. To make things worse the NFL asked for 500 volunteers to be part of the half time show. No pay, no gifts and you don't even get to see the game. One local talk host said the NFL could go "screw themselves". They are also asking for unpaid volunteers elsewhere. Even out here folks on the local news blog were discussing the private jets that will probably flying in and out of Buchanan Field as the rich arrive to watch the game and how annoying that will be. Is this what life would be like under Trump? Working for a Dollar a Day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaXgXf1bVXs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaXgXf1bVXs Working for a Dollar a Day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaXgXf1bVXs Take a trip to the near future where the global elite have done away with the middle class and implemented a feudal society. View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaXgXf1bVXs Preview by Yahoo Don't worry, Trump is no more going to be President than I am. He's been entertaining in a perverse sort of way but reason and sanity will prevail, in the end. Does that make me an optimist or stupid?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conservative Big-Wigs are Clueless
Interesting and good points on the power of "narratives" and how they are crafted. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Why We Lose: National Review Launches Victorian-Era Attack On Donald Trump by John Nolte, 22 Jan 2016 Whatever you might think of National Review’s Thursday night attack on Donald Trump is beside the point. That’s not what I’m here to talk about. Just forget about The Establishment versus… Trump versus… This has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with tactics and media savvy. There are many fine people at National Review, smart people, which is why the incredibly lame and heavy-handed execution of this “broadside” against Trump is something worth talking about. Conservatives cannot win elections, most especially national elections, living in the 19th century. If you are going to go to the trouble of building what you believe is a Nuclear Bomb — and a full issue of National Review devoted to annihilating Trump is obviously crafted with that in mind — you have to also build a 21st century delivery device. All that time, all that work, all that effort, all that organization, and by noon the next day, because of a terrible launch platform, National Review’s nuke has already belly-flopped and disappeared into the sea. The entire execution behind the delivery of this dud immediately brought this to my mind: INT. PRIVATE CLUB – K STREET – VICTORIAN ERA Long hallway. Oak paneled walls. Ends at two closed, imposing doors. The only sound is horse-drawn carriages passing by outside and the echo of IMPORTANT MEN discussing IMPORTANT MATTERS from behind those doors. From somewhere a bell tinkles. Immediately a BOY in a heavily-starched uniform appears. The doors swing open. A toxic cloud of cigar smoke swallows the boy. As the smoke dissipates, we see that the room inside is filled with WELL-DRESSED IMPORTANT MEN pleased with themselves. They sit in leather chairs and drink brandy. The BOY is handed a piece of paper – A PROCLAMATION. Like it is as sacred as the Magna Carta, the BOY runs to make his delivery as the WELL-DRESSED IMPORTANT MEN confidently celebrate how their proclamation will change the world. Other than the usual-usual Fox News appearances, that is exactly what National Review did last night. I’m sorry but even if it ever did, the world does not work this way anymore. Even if you believe 100% in every word National Review wrote against Trump, if there ever really was an era where one could change the world by stuffing a bunch of opinions in-between magazine covers, this sure as hell isn’t it. This is 2016. Opinions are not changed with the drop of a magazine filled with Very Important Thinkers espousing Very Big Thinks about How We Should All Think. This approach only backfires because it looks self-important, stuffy and conceited from good people who are none of those things. If I may paraphrase the Coen Brothers: Nobody likes the high hat. Drudge doesn’t issue proclamations. BuzzFeed doesn’t issue proclamations. The Mainstream Media doesn’t issue proclamations. Hearts and Minds are changed through Narratives — narratives built over time and tested with carefully-crafted storytelling, characters, caricatures, tweets, Facebook posts, attention-grabbing headlines, pictures, videos, and yes, even gifs. The only message coming out of this National Review issue today is that A BUNCH OF FAMOUS CONSERVATIVES PILED ON DONALD TRUMP… It’s all one big Harumph! Harumph! Harumph! And how is that effective in a year where being an outsider is sexier than Sophia Loren in a lace teddy? It is arguments that change minds, small, tight, individualized arguments that have been honed, tested, and perfected to drive a Narrative. Narratives change minds. Narratives stick. Narratives leave a mark. Ironically, it is this very narrative-method that has kept Trump on top; it is this very method that has allowed Trump to successfully destroy Jeb Bush, Ben Carson, Hillary Clinton, and the DC Media. It is this very method that Trump is using right now to dismantleSen. Ted Cruz (R-TX). And here’s the kicker: this is also the very method Trump has used to inoculate himself from laughably late-hits from the likes of a National Review. National Review isn’t hurting Trump, like a Keystone Cop, National Review is stepping directly into his well-honed anti-establishment narrative. Before you attempt to bury Donald Trump, maybe you should try and learn a thing or two from him. All due respect, all I learned from National Review today is that Republicans still suck at media. The Establishment has absolutely no idea how to fight.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conservative Big-Wigs are Clueless
From Huffington Post re: the 2008 election: "Clinton got 83 percent of the black vote in 1992 and 84 percent in 1996; the third-party candidate Ross Perot probably sliced away some of Clinton's black support. Al Gore got 90 percent in 2000; John Kerry got 88 percent in 2004. Obama captured 95 percent in 2008, and 2 million more black people voted than in the previous election." From the Wall Street Journal re: Obama's 2012 win: "More fundamentally, the thing to keep in mind with analyses about which demographic group decided an election is that, given a small enough margin, victories can be attributed to a number of different factors. And that applies even to Obama’s seven-point win. For instance, it’s possible to make the argument that the election was decided by age instead of by race. Obama is 47, 25 years younger than his opponent. In November 2004, Kerry was 60, two years older than his opponent. Obama won the 18- to 29-year-old vote by 34 percentage points, and the 30- to 44-year-old vote by six points; Kerry’s margins among those two age groups were nine points and negative seven points, respectively. If voters in those two age groups had split among the two major parties in the same proportions as in 2004, and with all else equal, McCain would have won the election by a percentage point. Not to mention that a given voter’s decision may have nothing to do with his or her age, race or other demographic factors." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : When Obama ran for his second term it seems to have been taken for granted, even by Republicans, that he would win. In that case, thought I at the time, wouldn't it have been a smart move to have Sarah Palin as the rival candidate. Why so? Well, if the candidate is going to lose regardless you don't want to sacrifice a plausible, high-profile contender. Why not throw Palin onto the funeral pyre? And, by having a woman as their choice, Republicans could claim ever after that they were the first party in US history to root for a female President. You want progressive politics? Go GOP. And - just as many voters opted for Obama simply because he was black - Sarah Palin would have been a wild card: many might have voted for her simply because she was a woman (though fibbing that they had voted for the Democrats). Apologies for giving you nightmares, but what do you think of my cunning plan?
[FairfieldLife] Re: With Democrats In Charge This Is What Happens
"Do not, though, make the mistake of blaming Democrats. You can’t blame Democrats anymore than you can blame a rattlesnake bite on the rattlesnake." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : With Democrats In Charge The Result Is Racism, Rape, Riots, and Poison Water by John Nolte 21 Jan 2016 Pop quiz: Who almost exclusively has run Hollywood, America’s university system, and almost every big urban city in America, and done so for decades? The answer is more complicated than “Democrats.” Most of the people who run these institutions and communities are so much more than Democrats. They are leftists — hardcore, government-loving, Alinsky-worshipping, central planning, community-organizing leftists. And yet, when they enjoy free rein for decades, take a hard look at the utopia these utopians create. Let’s start with Hollywood, which is about as hard-left as any institution in the country. What we have here is a community run by leftists currently embroiled in a huge race scandal. For two years in a row, only white actors have been nominated for performance Oscars. Where leftists have enjoyed unchallenged rule for decades, 40 out of 40 acting nominations have gone to Whitey. According to the left-wing mainstream media, there is a rape crisis rampaging though America’s university system. If you choose to believe the studies and reports, campus rape is a full-blown epidemic. How is this possible when for decades hardcore leftists have enjoyed unchallenged rule over America’s higher education system. There are exceptions, of course, like Liberty University, where there is no rape cris– oh, wait, Liberty is run by conservative Christians. On top of all that rape, according to the leftists who for decades have run the American university system, there is a major racism problem http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/college-campus-racism/ at the very same American university system Leftists… have… run… for… decades… Leftists take over Hollywood and the result is racism. Leftists take over the college campus and the result is racism and rape. And I’m just getting started. The city of Flint, Michigan, has been imploding since the 1980’s. Now, due to mismanagement by city officials, the water is poisoned with lead. In every way imaginable, the city is an arm-pit. But how is that possible when Utopian-Democrats have run the city unchallenged for years http://www.nationalreview.com/article/429803/flint-water-scandal-democratic-pattern? How is that possible when in 2006, Flint was voted the 10th most liberal city in America? According to our left-wing media, armed, racist government-employees (police officers) who are employed by Democrats (mayors) in cities run for decades by Democrats, are gunning down innocent black people: Chicago, Baltimore, http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/04/28/baltimore-is-a-democrat-problem-not-americas-problem/ Ferguson (which is run by the St. Louis county), and in some of those cases, riots follow. The youth black unemployment rate is an astonishing 21%. http://newsone.com/2662081/black-unemployment-rate-2/Don’t most of these young people live in Liberal Utopias? Who is exclusively in charge of our failing urban public schools systems? Anyone want to talk about Detroit? Do not, though, make the mistake of blaming Democrats. You can’t blame Democrats anymore than you can blame a rattlesnake bite on the rattlesnake. Predators prey, that’s what Democrats are and that is what Democrats do. After so many decades, you have to blame the stupid prey — the morons who live, work, and spend tens-of-thousands of dollars in tuition to be preyed upon. If rapes and racism and riots and poisoned water don’t result in a political revolution, that’s not your problem or my problem or America’s problem. It’s a choice. Until the sheep fire up a flare telling the world they are ready for change, all you can do is hold on to your compassionate hope that someday that time comes.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Establishment Conservatives Against Trump
Most of his facial expressions are extremely distasteful as well; he shows his contempt for everyone and his inhumanity on his face. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I've never set in on any negotiations that he has been involved in. Nor have I read his book*The Art of the Deal*, a best seller. Neither have I spoken with anyone that has negotiated with him and made deals with him. So no, I'm not qualified to critique his negotiating skills. Have you ever read about or spoken with anyone that has negotiated with him on anything? Do they feel bullied, taken advantage of, cheated or maybe content? Or perhaps, they believe they got the better of him! I do know that he is a successful business man and negotiates business deals all over the world and must be doing something right. I don't think you heard him say that he would hire the best *negotiators* as *advisers*. I did hear him say he would have the best negotiators do the *negotiating*. Advisers advise, negotiators negotiate. Advisers can advise on the negotiating. But let's not split hairs here. Bottom line, the guy is despicable, harrible, disastrous as a human being. In case you don't believe me, have a look but take some Gravol first: http://presidential-candidates.insidegov.com/stories/5187/23-ridiculously-offensive-donald-trump-quotes#Intro http://presidential-candidates.insidegov.com/stories/5187/23-ridiculously-offensive-donald-trump-quotes#Intro From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Establishment Conservatives Against Trump ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Anne , are you in a position to criticize Trump's negotiating skills? If you are , I think the New York Times would love to have an editorial from you, the National Review also! Sure I am and so are you. Just watch him. He may have pushed and bullied his way around the corporate world but these tactics don't work as the leader of a country. My reasons for thinking this are below in my initial post. It doesn't take much of a brain to extrapolate from all of his bluster from the podium that his way or the highway can only end in war and disaster. Perhaps he is all hot air and were he to actually assume the office of the President of the US he will turn out to be a contemplative, sane, rational, balanced human being but from all evidence from the stump he appears exactly the opposite. It is precisely because his techniques have worked in his (corporate) world so far that he is stupid enough to think they will work in the different context in his role as President (although he will never assume office). I heard him say earlier on that he will hire the best negotiators in the world as his advisors even though they are "harrible, harrible human beings". Does this sound like a good idea to you? I grew up in a family where the patriarch (my father) was one of the most powerful and influential CEO's in the world. He was brave, smart, fair, decent and yet no push over. I grew up around this. I know that no matter how tough and how big you think you are you have to combine it with a balance that includes empathy, heart, wisdom and depth and to understand and acknowledge your own fallibility and weaknesses. In other words, you have to act like a human being. It is only then that you command true respect instead of generating rancor, resistance and resentment by others who you need to "deal" with. From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Establishment Conservatives Against Trump ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Feste, he's not my ideal candidate either! However, he has just as much qualifications as Obama did , if not more. At least Trump has management, executive and negotiating skills and built his own multi-billion dollar *empire*. All Obama ever did was be a *community organizer*, whatever that is. Whatever his academic achievements were are perceived as being based on affirmative action based. How does an American student get a Fulbright Scholarship? I've always heard those are reserved for foreign students. Trump's zero political office experience is perceived by many as a plus. A lot of people are tired of being promised one thing and then those promises abandoned. A lot of people are tired of career politicians. Yeah, Trump is perceived as a *fighter*. Throw a punch at him and he counters ten times harder. Wasn't it Obama that said" if they bring a knife to a fight, we bring a gun"? However, Trump is a negotiator, I've never known Obama to negotiate anything. It's always my way or they high way. If Trump is nominated, I think he's got a pretty good shot.He's attracting a c
[FairfieldLife] Re: With Democrats In Charge This Is What Happens
Does this guy sound paranoid or what!!??? Oh.I seehe's on "Meet the Breitbarts!" His assignment is "Big Hollywood." Hilarious, Emptyhead, hilarious! The more fear, the more to the right they are. Can Breitbart’s Media Machine Survive Without Its Founder? http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2012/03/the_empire_that_andrew_breitbart_built_is_struggling_to_maintain_its_brand_now_that_its_founder_is_dead_.html http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2012/03/the_empire_that_andrew_breitbart_built_is_struggling_to_maintain_its_brand_now_that_its_founder_is_dead_.html Can Breitbart’s Media Machine Survive Without It... http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2012/03/the_empire_that_andrew_breitbart_built_is_struggling_to_maintain_its_brand_now_that_its_founder_is_dead_.html After the funeral, on March 6, Andrew Breitbart’s successors drove back to the office. Breitbart.com world headquarters sits in an unincorporated part ... View on www.slate.com http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2012/03/the_empire_that_andrew_breitbart_built_is_struggling_to_maintain_its_brand_now_that_its_founder_is_dead_.html Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : "Do not, though, make the mistake of blaming Democrats. You can’t blame Democrats anymore than you can blame a rattlesnake bite on the rattlesnake." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : With Democrats In Charge The Result Is Racism, Rape, Riots, and Poison Water by John Nolte 21 Jan 2016 Pop quiz: Who almost exclusively has run Hollywood, America’s university system, and almost every big urban city in America, and done so for decades? The answer is more complicated than “Democrats.” Most of the people who run these institutions and communities are so much more than Democrats. They are leftists — hardcore, government-loving, Alinsky-worshipping, central planning, community-organizing leftists. And yet, when they enjoy free rein for decades, take a hard look at the utopia these utopians create. Let’s start with Hollywood, which is about as hard-left as any institution in the country. What we have here is a community run by leftists currently embroiled in a huge race scandal. For two years in a row, only white actors have been nominated for performance Oscars. Where leftists have enjoyed unchallenged rule for decades, 40 out of 40 acting nominations have gone to Whitey. According to the left-wing mainstream media, there is a rape crisis rampaging though America’s university system. If you choose to believe the studies and reports, campus rape is a full-blown epidemic. How is this possible when for decades hardcore leftists have enjoyed unchallenged rule over America’s higher education system. There are exceptions, of course, like Liberty University, where there is no rape cris– oh, wait, Liberty is run by conservative Christians. On top of all that rape, according to the leftists who for decades have run the American university system, there is a major racism problem http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/college-campus-racism/ at the very same American university system Leftists… have… run… for… decades… Leftists take over Hollywood and the result is racism. Leftists take over the college campus and the result is racism and rape. And I’m just getting started. The city of Flint, Michigan, has been imploding since the 1980’s. Now, due to mismanagement by city officials, the water is poisoned with lead. In every way imaginable, the city is an arm-pit. But how is that possible when Utopian-Democrats have run the city unchallenged for years http://www.nationalreview.com/article/429803/flint-water-scandal-democratic-pattern? How is that possible when in 2006, Flint was voted the 10th most liberal city in America? According to our left-wing media, armed, racist government-employees (police officers) who are employed by Democrats (mayors) in cities run for decades by Democrats, are gunning down innocent black people: Chicago, Baltimore, http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/04/28/baltimore-is-a-democrat-problem-not-americas-problem/ Ferguson (which is run by the St. Louis county), and in some of those cases, riots follow. The youth black unemployment rate is an astonishing 21%. http://newsone.com/2662081/black-unemployment-rate-2/Don’t most of these young people live in Liberal Utopias? Who is exclusively in charge of our failing urban public schools systems? Anyone want to talk about Detroit? Do not, though, make the mistake of blaming Democrats. You can’t blame Democrats anymore than you can blame a rattlesnake bite on the rattlesnake. Predators prey, that’s what Democrats are and that is what Democrats do. After so many decades, you have to blame the stupid prey — the morons who live, work, and spend tens-of-thousands of doll
