Re: mythtvfest
On Sun, Mar 25, 2007 at 08:59:13PM -0400, Ben Scott wrote: On 3/25/07, Seth Cohn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ben, calm down. Calm? I'm calm! I'm wicked calm!! LOOK AT ME, I'M CALM!!! WHAT MAKES YOU THINK I'M NOT CALM??!one To quote the Big Lebowski: Calmer than you are. Regards, -- Christopher Schmidt Web Developer ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Why we can't record our TV shows (was: In case you have not seen it.....Linux Media Center)
On 3/25/07, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/25/07, Thomas Charron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is, someone needs to stand up and say 'this ain't right'. This hearkens back to the wireless phone carrier subthread I accidentally started. As long as people continue to subscribe to the service as it is now, DirectTV Inc has no incentive to change their ways. If people refused to pay for service they couldn't record themselves, I can guarantee this problem would disappear. As a TiVo owner and former DirecTV subscriber, I couldn't figure out why people would get a DirecTiVo instead of a stand alone. The standalone lets you transfer between 2 TiVos or to a PC that you can burn to DVD. The standalone can run HME java apps and view weather, movie listings, etc. The stand alone is free with a 1 year subscription up front. The DirecTiVo has a slightly smaller subscription. Neither can do HDTV. Of course, the Series 3 can. $700 + subscription + cable card. No HME or HME or TiVo2TiVo or TiVo2PC. Of course, my next TiVo will be MythTV. Anyone got a way for them to play .TiVo files directly? Or script Myth to run tivodecode to convert to mpg before playing? :-) ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Why we can't record our TV shows (was: In case you have not seen it.....Linux Media Center)
On Mar 26, 2007, at 09:04, Tom Buskey wrote: As a TiVo owner and former DirecTV subscriber, I couldn't figure out why people would get a DirecTiVo instead of a stand alone. I'm building my MythTV box after having a Dish DVR-508 for about 3- ish years. The two advantages it had were: 1) $199, 3 years ago. This was before they instituted a DVR-fee so it beat the pants off TiVo on cost. 2) I pull raw MPEG-2 streams off of my hard drive and onto DVD. There's no quality loss between the uplink station and my DVD player. The downside is the software sucks so hard I'm building a MythTV box despite the fact that recordings will be of lower quality. Nothing like a DVR that crashes to ameliorate the WAF of the MythTV box. The hardware also is replete with cold solder joints which I need to put a heat gun to once in a while. I'll probably still use it as a receiver, with the hard drive decommissioned for noise control. I was going to buy a Conditional Access Module to decrypt the DVB-S stream with my SmartCard straight into MythTV but the one vendor has apparently been sued off the market (on 'hacking' grounds, but it also managed to eliminate legitimate competition). Analog appears to be the best of poor choices in our environment of regulatory capture. If I payed a bit more attention in EE class I could probably find an old receiver and extricate the CAM from it, tying it into the linux DVB code. That's a project for perhaps after analog is working. Anyway, the point is the integrated units give you that quality without taking any EE classes. I hear a new TiVo can take a cablecard - I haven't looked into what's possible there with satellite, but I haven't heard anybody talking about it either. -Bill - Bill McGonigle, Owner Work: 603.448.4440 BFC Computing, LLC Home: 603.448.1668 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: 603.252.2606 http://www.bfccomputing.com/Page: 603.442.1833 New Blog: http://blog.bfccomputing.com/ VCard: http://bfccomputing.com/vcard/bill.vcf ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Why we can't record our TV shows (was: In case you have not seen it.....Linux Media Center)
As a TiVo owner and former DirecTV subscriber, I couldn't figure out why people would get a DirecTiVo instead of a stand alone. Dual tuner, and prefect quality all the time. Even if you have a stand alone tivo and you set it for the highest quality there will be some loss. They're still easy to hack. I have my DirecTiVo, upgraded the HD and I pull off shows with TyTools (to watch, convert, or burn) and have TiVoWeb. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Why we can't record our TV shows (was: In case you have not seen it.....Linux Media Center)
As a TiVo owner and former DirecTV subscriber, I couldn't figure out why people would get a DirecTiVo instead of a stand alone. I had/have both, I was an early tivolutionary, telling people how much it changed my life, and encouraging them to get one... and also had Comcast's (crappy) DVR for some time. (Which one day soon will get tivoized, according to the industry) These days, I do without cable OR satellite. Considering the high prices I paid for both, I miss neither. But how do you watch TV? I hear you asking... Antenna? No. I download each and every show I wish to watch (and I want for nothing I can't get), getting not only high quality recordings, but with commercials already removed. Finding new shows is trivial (thanks to many diverse sites devoted to tracking the shows), and with thousands of others doing the same, the bittorrents are reasonably fast, and I usually can expect to have a show well within 24 hours of it's broadcast. I've had mythtv up and running in the past with mixed success (low end hardware doesn't run well), though lately (the last year plus), thanks to a cheap DVD player that plays Xvid/Divx/mpg/avi/etc, I easily do sneakernet, burning stuff onto dvds (usually dvd RWs, since I don't usually keep most TV shows around after I watch them) Hardware solution beat most of the software bugs (a few things don't play on the DVD, so I laptop watch those), though I'm tired of the sneakernet, so Linux Media seems like an answer, finally. I'll be installing the next few weeks. Once that's running, I expect between using RSS feeds of torrents I want to want combined with the occasional 'that looks worth watching' clicksave, automatic discovery of new shows stored on network drives, and an interface my wife should be able to use, I'll be a very happy camper. So one day soon hopefully, my standalone DVD players will join the 3 tivos and the VCR all sitting around unused. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Why we can't record our TV shows (was: In case you have not seen it.....Linux Media Center)
On 3/26/07, Tom Buskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a TiVo owner and former DirecTV subscriber, I couldn't figure out why people would get a DirecTiVo instead of a stand alone. As everyone else has said, better quality. The DTiVo units stored the digital MPEG stream right from the satellite feed. No loss of quality by compressing, decompressing, compressing again. Also, at the time, the DTiVo was the only TiVo on the market that had dual tuners. The standalone lets you transfer between 2 TiVos or to a PC that you can burn to DVD. The standalone can run HME java apps and view weather, movie listings, etc. When the DTiVo first came out, none of that was available on the TiVo platform. All it did was record shows and play them back. When TiVo's HMO (Home Media Option, the name from back when it was a pay-extra option) was first announced, a lot of people ass-umed that DirecTV's promises of support meant something. Now that DirecTV has finished shafting all their the DirecTiVo customers, they know better, of course. Hindsight and all that. Of course, my next TiVo will be MythTV. Anyone got a way for them to play .TiVo files directly? Or script Myth to run tivodecode to convert to mpg before playing? :-) Why not just do a one-time batch tivodecode of the .tivo files to .mpeg files? That's what I did. -- One day I feel I'm ahead of the wheel / And the next it's rolling over me -- Rush, Far Cry ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Why we can't record our TV shows (was: In case you have not seen it.....Linux Media Center)
I download each and every show I wish to watch (and I want for nothing I can't get), getting not only high quality recordings, but with commercials already removed. Finding new shows is trivial (thanks to many diverse sites devoted to tracking the shows), and with thousands of others doing the same, the bittorrents are reasonably fast, and I usually can expect to have a show well within 24 hours of it's broadcast. I'm transition to this solution, but the legality of it is debatable. I'm still trying to figure out a good working solution to automatically download the shows I like without getting dupes or incorrect versions (like a french version for example). I also can't get a few shows I enjoy. Such as This Old House, Gardening By The Yard, and a few others. I have come across a friend with a hacked DirecTiVo that will pull the shows for me, but I'm still losing out on one HBO show I enjoy. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Why we can't record our TV shows (was: In case you have not seen it.....Linux Media Center)
Seth Cohn writes: These days, I do without cable OR satellite. Considering the high prices I paid for both, I miss neither. But how do you watch TV? I hear you asking... Antenna? No. I download each and every show I wish to watch (and I want for nothing I can't get), getting not only high quality recordings, but with commercials already removed. I'm curious...is there a model in which you'd consider paying for content? The model could have reasonable prices and fair/non-existent copy-protection or whatever else you'd like. Please tell us if you'd ever consider paying for this content and, if so, under what circumstances. Regards, --kevin -- GnuPG ID: B280F24E Never could stand that dog. alumni.unh.edu!kdc -- Tom Waits ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Why we can't record our TV shows (was: In case you have not seen it.....Linux Media Center)
On 3/26/07, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/26/07, Tom Buskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a TiVo owner and former DirecTV subscriber, I couldn't figure out why people would get a DirecTiVo instead of a stand alone. As everyone else has said, better quality. The DTiVo units stored the digital MPEG stream right from the satellite feed. No loss of quality by compressing, decompressing, compressing again. Also, at the time, the DTiVo was the only TiVo on the market that had dual tuners. The standalone lets you transfer between 2 TiVos or to a PC that you can burn to DVD. The standalone can run HME java apps and view weather, movie listings, etc. When the DTiVo first came out, none of that was available on the TiVo platform. All it did was record shows and play them back. When TiVo's HMO (Home Media Option, the name from back when it was a pay-extra option) was first announced, a lot of people ass-umed that DirecTV's promises of support meant something. Now that DirecTV has finished shafting all their the DirecTiVo customers, they know better, of course. Hindsight and all that. Of course, my next TiVo will be MythTV. Anyone got a way for them to play .TiVo files directly? Or script Myth to run tivodecode to convert to mpg before playing? :-) Why not just do a one-time batch tivodecode of the .tivo files to .mpeg files? That's what I did. You lose the metadata that the TiVos use. My wife likes having that when she pulls stuff from Galleon on the server to the TiVo. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Why we can't record our TV shows (was: In case you have not seen it.....Linux Media Center)
I'm curious...is there a model in which you'd consider paying for content? The model could have reasonable prices and fair/non-existent copy-protection or whatever else you'd like. If it's stuff that I can get OTA with an antenna (If I didn't live in the sticks), then no, I wouldn't pay for it. I'd setup myth to record it and auto strip the commercials. So for me there's no difference between this and downloading the torrent. As far as pay channels (being cable and premium channels). I would only pay for episodes if they came in the same quality as if I bought the DVD box set or greater, and/or I got a coupon/voucher for the DVD box set when it came out. Then I would pay around $30/season or $2/ episode. Please tell us if you'd ever consider paying for this content and, if so, under what circumstances. Regards, --kevin -- GnuPG ID: B280F24E Never could stand that dog. alumni.unh.edu!kdc -- Tom Waits ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Why we can't record our TV shows (was: In case you have not seen it.....Linux Media Center)
On 3/26/07, Thomas Charron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 3/26/07, Tom Buskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Of course, my next TiVo will be MythTV. Anyone got a way for them to
play
.TiVo files directly? Or script Myth to run tivodecode to convert to
mpg
before playing? :-)
Are you speaking of Tivo2Go encrypted/signed files? The unencrypted
files can be batch translated, not sure about on the fly conversion,
however.
Some people are doing this with MacOSX:
curl -k --digest -u tivo:{MAK} -c cookies.txt {tivo2go url} | tivodecode
-m {MAK} -- - | mplayer -vf pp=lb -cache 32768 -
I haven't been able to get the curl part working. tivodecode works great
though.
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Re: Why we can't record our TV shows (was: In case you have not seen it.....Linux Media Center)
On 3/26/07, Tom Buskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/25/07, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/25/07, Thomas Charron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is, someone needs to stand up and say 'this ain't right'. This hearkens back to the wireless phone carrier subthread I accidentally started. As long as people continue to subscribe to the service as it is now, DirectTV Inc has no incentive to change their ways. If people refused to pay for service they couldn't record themselves, I can guarantee this problem would disappear. As a TiVo owner and former DirecTV subscriber, I couldn't figure out why people would get a DirecTiVo instead of a stand alone. The standalone lets you transfer between 2 TiVos or to a PC that you can burn to DVD. The standalone can run HME java apps and view weather, movie listings, etc. The stand alone is free with a 1 year subscription up front. The DirecTiVo has a slightly smaller subscription. Neither can do HDTV. Of course, the Series 3 can. $700 + subscription + cable card. No HME or HME or TiVo2TiVo or TiVo2PC. Actually, DirecTV was using Tivo in their first HD DVR. Originally, this is the box I wanted to get, but was informed they no longer support them. So I went to get one 3rd party. But within a year, they'll be worthless for DirecTV HD content, as they are migrating to MPEG4 video streams rom MPEG2, and the older DirecTivo boxes cannot handle it. I was sad. Of course, my next TiVo will be MythTV. Anyone got a way for them to play .TiVo files directly? Or script Myth to run tivodecode to convert to mpg before playing? :-) Are you speaking of Tivo2Go encrypted/signed files? The unencrypted files can be batch translated, not sure about on the fly conversion, however. -- -- Thomas ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: a question about GREP
Do you have a source tree that has already proven to be buildable for the machine in question, independent of these new drivers. That would help during triage of this problem... ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: a question about GREP
Hi,
Thank you for all your help and time. I really appreciate it.
On our server, which runs Red Hat Enterprise Linux AS release 3 (Taroon
Update 8)
Lloyd ([EMAIL PROTECTED])'s solution works:
find -type f -name '*out*' | xargs grep -wli zip zip.txt
Question: -type f limits to regular file, does the so-called regular
file strictly mean plain text files?
Also, solution from Ben (w/ adding search pattern, which is zip) and Bill
(w/ moving zip ahead of .) works:
grep -lwir --include=\*out\* zip . zip.txt
---
Steven's solution (listed below) only partially works, for reasons I don't
know. By partially, I mean his solution can only find SOME files matching
the search criteria.
find . -type f -name \*out\* | \
xargs file | \
awk '/ASCII/ { sub(/:/, ); print $1}' | \
xargs grep -l zip zip.txt
---
Kevin, in your solution (listed below), why are there 2 directory names are
used? Could you please explain a bit to me? Thank you.
find your-dirname1 your-dirname2 -name \*out\* \
-exec perl -e 'undef $/;
$filename=$ARGV[0];
$_=;
exit(!(-T $filename /\bzip\b/))' \{\} \; -print \
zip.txt
BTW, yes, I'm serious about the plain text files part.
And thank you for your favorite alias, I've not tested though.
--
Bill, your another solution (listed below), based on Steve's, doesn't work
:-(
find . -name '*out*' -exec file '{}' '|' grep -q ASCII ';' -print0 \
| xargs -0 grep -wli zip zip.txt
Again, thank you guys all!
Zhao
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Re: Why we can't record our TV shows (was: In case you have not seen it.....Linux Media Center)
Kevin D. Clark writes: I'm curious...is there a model in which you'd consider paying for content? The model could have reasonable prices and fair/non-existent copy-protection or whatever else you'd like. First, it has to be a model in which there is content worth paying for. I own a number of VHS (and Beta) movies, and a few DVDs. I paid for them. I can play them whenever I want (well, I'm not sure that the Beta VCR still works). Please tell us if you'd ever consider paying for this content and, if so, under what circumstances. Certainly, any content I pay for shoudn't have commercials interspersed. I may be willing to pay for some stuff, but I'm not going to pay for it twice. Bill ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Recording GNHLUG meetings (was: mythtvfest)
On 3/26/07, Paul Lussier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... it would be really cool if it could be recorded and put up on GNHLUG.org for later viewing. If someone with a digital video camera wants to volunteer to record the meeting, we can put it online at the GNHLUG website. Or YouTube, for that matter. This was one of the explicit goals for our new Internet server. The size of motion video may necessitate heavy compression and/or down-scaling (to conserve disk space and/or bandwidth), but see also YouTube, above. Audio-only extracts of a video recording are another possibility. As long as the sideshow is separately available, this may be all that is needed. It's not like we need to video tape a sideshow. -- One day I feel I'm ahead of the wheel / And the next it's rolling over me -- Rush, Far Cry ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: a question about GREP
[off-list] On 3/26/07, Michael ODonnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have a source tree that has already proven to be buildable for the machine in question, independent of these new drivers. That would help during triage of this problem... FYI, I think you replied to the wrong thread. -- One day I feel I'm ahead of the wheel / And the next it's rolling over me -- Rush, Far Cry ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: a question about GREP
Jerry writes:
Kevin, in your solution (listed below), why are there 2 directory names are
used? Could you please explain a bit to me? Thank you.
find your-dirname1 your-dirname2 -name \*out\* \
-exec perl -e 'undef $/;
$filename=$ARGV[0];
$_=;
exit(!(-T $filename /\bzip\b/))' \{\} \; -print \
zip.txt
BTW, yes, I'm serious about the plain text files part.
By your-dirname1 and your-dirname2 I mean the directories *you*
are interested in searching.
For example:
find /usr/src /media/usbdrive /home/jerry/src/foo -exec perl ...
In your case, you might want to begin searching for the current
directory, which is ..
find . -exec perl ...
Regards,
--kevin
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Re: Why we can't record our TV shows (was: In case you have not seen it.....Linux Media Center)
On 3/26/07, Seth Cohn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I download each and every show I wish to watch ... Just a reminder, this list is publicly archived. One may want to avoid boasting of one's illegal activities in such a forum. For that matter, it just occurred to me that, as the legal owner of the server this list is hosted on, I'm probably exposed to some sort of liability for such discussions. :-( I'm totally uninterested in campaign speeches about why this shouldn't be illegal. The fact of the matter is, it *is* illegal. Heck, even when it isn't illegal, the media cartels have demonstrated that they will sue you anyway. It is an effective tactic. -- One day I feel I'm ahead of the wheel / And the next it's rolling over me -- Rush, Far Cry ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: a question about GREP
On 3/26/07, Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question: -type f limits to regular file, does the so-called regular file strictly mean plain text files? No. find -type f will include binary files, executables, and such. The regular file part means that it is just a file containing user data -- a bag of bytes, as one person put it. As opposed to a symbolic link, a named pipe (FIFO), or a device node. Also, solution from Ben (w/ adding search pattern, which is zip) and Bill (w/ moving zip ahead of .) works: grep -lwir --include=\*out\* zip . zip.txt You may want to add -I to that as well, to exclude binary files, as Kevin Clark suggested. That is: grep -lwirI --include=\*out\* zip . zip.txt Kevin, in your solution (listed below), why are there 2 directory names are used? Could you please explain a bit to me? I think he's just demonstrating that you can specify multiple directory names on some implementations of find(1). You can specify only one, if you prefer. On some find(1) implementations, you can specify no directories at all, which implies the current directory. -- One day I feel I'm ahead of the wheel / And the next it's rolling over me -- Rush, Far Cry ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: a question about GREP
On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 11:38:31AM -0400, Jerry wrote:
Lloyd ([EMAIL PROTECTED])'s solution works:
find -type f -name '*out*' | xargs grep -wli zip zip.txt
Question: -type f limits to regular file, does the so-called regular
file strictly mean plain text files?
It does not. regular file means not a special file, directory,
named pipe, symbolic link, or socket. plain text files are a
subset of regular files. If you just want to omit non-text files
from the output, something like:
find . -type f -name '*out*' -print0 | xargs -0 grep -wliI zip zip.txt
will probably do what you want. The -I option to GNU grep tells it
to treat binary files as if they contain no matches. The -print0
to find and -0 to xargs improve handling of file names that contain
whitespace.
Steven's solution (listed below) only partially works, for reasons I don't
know. By partially, I mean his solution can only find SOME files matching
the search criteria.
find . -type f -name \*out\* | \
xargs file | \
awk '/ASCII/ { sub(/:/, ); print $1}' | \
xargs grep -l zip zip.txt
If you run 'find . -type f -name '*out*' -print0 | xargs -0 file'
I bet some of the files you are calling plain text files are not
ASCII text files, which is what the above is looking for. For
example, a file 'file' reports as ISO-8859 English text will
almost certainly meet *your* critera for plain text, but doesn't
include ASCII anywhere in the output of 'file'.
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Re: Why we can't record our TV shows (was: In case you have not seen it.....Linux Media Center)
On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 10:16:05AM -0400, Travis Roy wrote: I download each and every show I wish to watch (and I want for nothing I can't get), getting not only high quality recordings, but with commercials already removed. Finding new shows is I'm transition to this solution, but the legality of it is debatable. I'm still trying to figure out a good working solution The legality isn't even really debatable. Under current law in the US, this is illegal. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] OpenPGP KeyID 0x57C3430B Holder of Past Knowledge CS, O- AOL would be a giant diesel-smoking bus with hundreds of ebola victims on board throwing dead wombats and rotten cabbage at the other cars, most of which have been assembled at home from kits. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Why we can't record our TV shows
Travis Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm curious...is there a model in which you'd consider paying for content? The model could have reasonable prices and fair/non-existent copy-protection or whatever else you'd like. If it's stuff that I can get OTA with an antenna (If I didn't live in the sticks), then no, I wouldn't pay for it. I'd setup myth to record it and auto strip the commercials. So for me there's no difference between this and downloading the torrent. Except that by partaking in a Bit-Torrent cloud you are unethically and illegally re-distributing the content which violates copyright, and is something that does not fall under fair-use. Therefore, there is a difference (legally-speaking) with respect to bit-torrent and MythTV. In the latter case, you are in fact time-shifting an OTA broadcast show which falls under the fair-use doctrine. In the former you violate the content owner's exclusive right to control distribution. I'm not saying I agree with this, just pointing out the differences :) -- Seeya, Paul -- Key fingerprint = 1660 FECC 5D21 D286 F853 E808 BB07 9239 53F1 28EE A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Why we can't record our TV shows
On Mar 26, 2007, at 1:08 PM, Paul Lussier wrote: Travis Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm curious...is there a model in which you'd consider paying for content? The model could have reasonable prices and fair/non- existent copy-protection or whatever else you'd like. If it's stuff that I can get OTA with an antenna (If I didn't live in the sticks), then no, I wouldn't pay for it. I'd setup myth to record it and auto strip the commercials. So for me there's no difference between this and downloading the torrent. Except that by partaking in a Bit-Torrent cloud you are unethically and illegally re-distributing the content which violates copyright, and is something that does not fall under fair-use. Therefore, there is a difference (legally-speaking) with respect to bit-torrent and MythTV. In the latter case, you are in fact time-shifting an OTA broadcast show which falls under the fair-use doctrine. In the former you violate the content owner's exclusive right to control distribution. I'm not saying I agree with this, just pointing out the differences :) So noted.. I was just saying. Penn Jillette said on his radio show that he didn't see, or had a problem with, people downloading his TV Show (Bullshit) if they are subscribers to Showtime already. His reasoning is that they already paid for the content. But, he's not the copyright holder, Showtime is. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: maddog flossing
On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 15:30:20 -0400 Mark Ordung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: listen, you can hear him ... http://www.twit.tv/floss TOO cool! Thanks for the heads-up. Linotype machines and hot lead in Milford. -Bill OTOH, no .ogg, only .mp3s now? For a FLOSS podcast? TWiTs, indeed... :( ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Recording GNHLUG meetings (was: mythtvfest)
On Mar 26, 2007, at 12:08, Ben Scott wrote: If someone with a digital video camera wants to volunteer to record the meeting, we can put it online at the GNHLUG website. Or YouTube, for that matter. This was one of the explicit goals for our new Internet server. The size of motion video may necessitate heavy compression and/or down-scaling (to conserve disk space and/or bandwidth), but see also YouTube, above. I did a recording of Doug McIlroy's presentation to DLSLUG - it predated Google Video, so I uploaded it to archive.org. Both will accept large high-ish quality video. Google Video and YouTube are set to merge, as I hear it, so I'm not sure if that means all low- quality Flash or not. Either way, if you can get through the upload process on archive.org the hosting is quite good. The downside to doing a video is that people don't necessarily want to see el-crapo video. I spent too much time adjusting volumes, gamma curves, color balances, etc. to get it to be watchable. Sure, if it were properly miced and lighted that wouldn't be such a problem. But it wasn't. I picked up a wireless mic for future use, should the need arise again. There's about a 3x multiplier on runtime to do a decent basic editing job, so it's worth keeping in mind. Passing the token on this task might be useful. Audio-only extracts of a video recording are another possibility. As long as the sideshow is separately available, this may be all that is needed. It's not like we need to video tape a sideshow. Audio is much more affordable to host. I put an .mp3 of the above talk on the dlslug site and it hasn't cost me much in the way of traffic. That's not really a concern on the MV deal, I'm guessing, other than we don't want to be bad net neighbors and hog the whole non-profit bandwidth allocation at MV. -Bill - Bill McGonigle, Owner Work: 603.448.4440 BFC Computing, LLC Home: 603.448.1668 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: 603.252.2606 http://www.bfccomputing.com/Page: 603.442.1833 New Blog: http://blog.bfccomputing.com/ VCard: http://bfccomputing.com/vcard/bill.vcf ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Recording GNHLUG meetings (was: mythtvfest)
On 3/26/07, Bill McGonigle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The downside to doing a video is that people don't necessarily want to see el-crapo video. I dunno, that stupid Paris Hilton sex tape blew countless mail servers out of the water, and I've shot better video with the lens cap on. ;-) I spent too much time adjusting volumes, gamma curves, color balances, etc. to get it to be watchable. We can Open Source it and let the bazaar fix it for us. Right? ;-) Passing the token on this task might be useful. I sure ain't volunteering any more of my time, other than that to set-up hosting on liberty, should that be desired. :-) ... we don't want to be bad net neighbors and hog the whole non-profit bandwidth allocation at MV. Yah. That. All this is moot if nobody records the presentations, though Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? -- One day I feel I'm ahead of the wheel / And the next it's rolling over me -- Rush, Far Cry ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: mythtvfest
On 3/26/07, Seth Cohn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now I just have to get my talk together and scripted, with about 2 weeks to go. I usually wait until the night before, so that gives you 13 days, right? ;-) -- One day I feel I'm ahead of the wheel / And the next it's rolling over me -- Rush, Far Cry ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Why we can't record our TV shows (was: In case you have not seen it.....Linux Media Center)
Replies to a number of emails: I'm transition to this solution, but the legality of it is debatable. For free-to-air programs, I suspect it would be very hard to make truly illegal. For other programming, I'd still look to the Sony time-shifting decision and ask what the difference is between this and making a VCR copy (or more than one) and giving it to a friend. That is and remains entirely legal. Frankly, the Bono copyright extension was a perversion of justice, and I'd be glad to prove it to a jury in a court of law. I'm still trying to figure out a good working solution to automatically download the shows I like without getting dupes or incorrect versions (like a french version for example). Ah, but the sites do a great job of filtering just for such a thing. For example, http://tvrss.net/feed/unique/ is a feed that doesn't list duplicates (ie any show episode only appears once) There are others that do the same and more... I also can't get a few shows I enjoy. Such as This Old House, Gardening By The Yard, and a few others. still losing out on one HBO show I enjoy. Just a matter of knowing where to look. Almost everything is out there. In other words, everything is on the Internet, and google is your friend. (Google isn't evil, so it must be legal, right?) I'm curious...is there a model in which you'd consider paying for content? Actually, I did pay for content... I paid hundreds of dollars a month for satellite and cable. I paid far more than the content was worth, due to the monopoly pricing, for example. I have and do pay for DVDs I wish to own, though of course, the entire copyright system, DVD encryption, DRM, etc attempts prevents me for doing with the paid for content what I wish, so my 'ownership' is reduced to some form of rental. The model could have reasonable prices and fair/non-existent copy-protection or whatever else you'd like. Sure, if the pricing was minimal, or perhaps with commercials to subsidize it, I'd pay a very small amount - on the order of $1 an episode or much less. As someone else pointed out: the TV-DVD market has set a very low pricepoint once they do release the content on DVD, so pricing it higher makes little sense. One may want to avoid boasting of one's illegal activities in such a forum. That assumes that it is illegal. Since there is plenty of free-to-air content, foreign programming, etc, I'm not talking about downloading illegal items. For that matter, it just occurred to me that, as the legal owner of the server this list is hosted on, I'm probably exposed to some sort of liability for such discussions. :-( No, the laws are very clear that you aren't. You aren't responsible for discussion on what is effectively a common carrier. In the same way, the 'torrent' sites are now being told that a mere LINK or pointer to information is now illegal, and that really shouldn't hold up in court, because if it is allowed to, your website can, without your knowledge or consent, have a mere comment link make you liable, which would effectively destroy the free flow of information on the Internet, thanks solely to lawyers. Heck, even when it isn't illegal, the media cartels have demonstrated that they will sue you anyway. It is an effective tactic. No, it's not effective. The RIAA is learning that the hard way in general neither ISPs nor colleges will give out private info to them so they can identify those who download 'illegal' music, and the number of lawsuits brought against clearly innocent folks are large enough that all it should take is a bit more of a public outcry to stop the tactics. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Why we can't record our TV shows (was: In case you have not seen it.....Linux Media Center)
I download each and every show I wish to watch (and I want for nothing I can't get), getting not only high quality recordings, but with commercials already removed. I'm curious...is there a model in which you'd consider paying for content? Yes, it's called Netflix. For everything else, there are shadier alternatives, so I'm told. Nigel ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: mythtvfest
I'll be giving the talk again in June in Concord, for those who can't make it first time in April in Peterborough. Now I just have to get my talk together and scripted, with about 2 weeks to go. Seth I've been playing with drupal a bit lately. I've also looked at WordPress and Joomla. All are very cool, my impression is WordPress is for those who just want to blog, Joomla! for those who just want to point'n'click, and drupal for those who are used to extending their environments ad nauseum by hacking the framework (i.e., drupal is the emacs of the CM world :) I'm bummed I won't be able to make it to this talk, though, it would be really cool if it could be recorded and put up on GNHLUG.org for later viewing. Huh, that leads to the though of GNHLUGtv.org :) We[1] could video our meetings and place them up there for download for those who can't attend[2] the actual meeting... [1] By we I mean those of *you* who actually attend meetings and have either the equipment or inclination to do this :) [2] By can't attend I mean me :) ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Why we can't record our TV shows (was: In case you have not seen it.....Linux Media Center)
Seth Cohn wrote: For free-to-air programs, I suspect it would be very hard to make truly illegal. Seth: I am not a lawyer and don't believe you are, either. I'd suggest we allow the courts to determine what is and is not legal. For other programming, I'd still look to the Sony time-shifting decision and ask what the difference is between this and making a VCR copy (or more than one) and giving it to a friend. That is and remains entirely legal. I don't recall the giving it to a friend portion of the decision, and the slippery slope of two friends, four friends, putting it on the web site, popping it up on BitTorrent likely crosses the line, somewhere. Frankly, the Bono copyright extension was a perversion of justice, and I'd be glad to prove it to a jury in a court of law. I would be glad to have YOU prove it, too. Ah, but the sites do a great job of filtering just for such a thing. For example, [OMITTED} is a feed that doesn't list... STOP. You are pointing out feeds of shows whose legality is questionable at best. This is in violation of the terms of use of this list, this group, and likely the TOS of our kind hosts. Whether or not the site in question is legal is of far less interest to most of the group than whether the chilling effects of finding that out are worth exploring. Let's focus our discussions on Linux and Free/Open Source Software and not on proprietary multimedia. There are plenty of other forums for that. One may want to avoid boasting of one's illegal activities in such a forum. That assumes that it is illegal. And you assume it is not. This forum is not the place for those discussions. -- Ted Roche ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Copyright Issues (Was: Re: Why we can't record our TV shows (was: In case you have not seen it.....Linux Media Center))
I don't recall the giving it to a friend portion of the decision, and the slippery slope of two friends, four friends, putting it on the web site, popping it up on BitTorrent likely crosses the line, somewhere. I agree with this.. Even when people were saying making mix tapes for friends was legal back in the old Napster days.. But I don't think standing in front of the local grocery store and handing out copies of CDs to everybody that walks by as giving a friend a copy, that's distribution Let's focus our discussions on Linux and Free/Open Source Software and not on proprietary multimedia. There are plenty of other forums for that. To be fair, I do think copyright issues are something that is up for discussion. After all, it does effect Free/Open Source Software quite a bit. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Why we can't record our TV shows (was: In case you have not seen it.....Linux Media Center)
Ah, but the sites do a great job of filtering just for such a thing. For example, [OMITTED} is a feed that doesn't list... STOP. You are pointing out feeds of shows whose legality is questionable at best. This is in violation of the terms of use of this list, this group, and likely the TOS of our kind hosts. And you've illustrated exactly the chilling effect on the flow of information. When a link, NOT copyrighted material itself IN ANY WAY, but a mere link to a website with information on it, is suddenly forbidden fruits and banned, what is the long term effect of that on the Internet, on discussion groups, etc? That, it seems to me, IS on topic for this group, because without open discussion and the Internet flowing freely, and with bad copyright laws and bad patents enforced, the open source community faces a serious threat to its' existence. Let's focus our discussions on Linux and Free/Open Source Software and not on proprietary multimedia. There are plenty of other forums for that. I agree. There is plenty of free and open materials to watch and discuss here or elsewhere. There are tools such as Democracy Internet TV http://www.getdemocracy.com/ and Linux Media, and this is a forum where those can and should be discussed. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Why we can't record our TV shows (was: In case you have not seen it.....Linux Media Center)
On 3/26/07, Seth Cohn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frankly, the Bono copyright extension was a perversion of justice, and I'd be glad to prove it to a jury in a court of law. As I said, *I am totally uninterested in campaign speeches*. Let me spell this out for you: *** DO NOT DISCUSS ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES ON THIS LIST. Illegal activities are those illegal under current US Law, not those Seth Cohn *thinks* should be illegal. Further traffic to the contrary will result in you being banned from this service. As explanation: You seem to think your opinion about what is just and fair and right matters when it comes to what's legal and what isn't. It does not. Your opinion might influence changes in status down the road, but as for what is legal fact *right now*, your opinion DOES NOT COUNT. Do not drag me, GNHLUG, or MV Communications into your own personal pissing match with the MPAA. You are very willing to volunteer others for your legal trouble, and I do not appreciate that *at all*. No, the laws are very clear that you aren't. You aren't responsible for discussion on what is effectively a common carrier. Common Carrier status is not a Get Out of Jail Free card you can play whenever you like. In particular, online discussion forums such as this one are *not* Common Carriers. Go ask a lawyer. -- One day I feel I'm ahead of the wheel / And the next it's rolling over me -- Rush, Far Cry ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Copyright Issues (Was: Re: Why we can't record our TV shows (was: In case you have not seen it.....Linux Media Center))
On 3/26/07, Travis Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To be fair, I do think copyright issues are something that is up for discussion. After all, it does effect Free/Open Source Software quite a bit. If you or anyone else wants to discuss what law or policy *should* be, and why, go right ahead. But don't use this service as a means to discuss circumvention of law, policy, or even major intent. If service XYZ has policies you don't like, feel free to tell us all why you don't like them. Go ahead and campaign for a boycott, if you like. But don't drag us all into a pit of moral and legal ambiguity. -- One day I feel I'm ahead of the wheel / And the next it's rolling over me -- Rush, Far Cry ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Why we can't record our TV shows (was: In case you have not seen it.....Linux Media Center)
*** DO NOT DISCUSS ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES ON THIS LIST. I understand your point, and will comply with your wishes, despite my _opinion_ that it's not illegal in the first place. pissing match with the MPAA. Since we were talking television and not ever movies, the MPAA isn't an issue, but again, I know what you meant here. RIAA, MPAA, Information Mafia, it's all the same thing. play whenever you like. In particular, online discussion forums such as this one are *not* Common Carriers. Go ask a lawyer. googling for discussion forum liability common carrier finds lots of discussion about the merits of this on both sides. Those interested can read for themselves. Rather scary how a mere discussion of the legalities elicts such a furor, another chilling effect illustrated... when you can't discuss the issues (and use illustrations such as links of the sort of things that are under fire), what's left but to cave in and give up? Seth ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Copyright Issues (Was: Re: Why we can't record our TV shows
Travis Roy wrote: Let's focus our discussions on Linux and Free/Open Source Software and not on proprietary multimedia. There are plenty of other forums for that. To be fair, I do think copyright issues are something that is up for discussion. After all, it does effect Free/Open Source Software quite a bit. Absolutely! I'm an armchair lawyer myself when it comes to discussions of software licenses, copyright, contracts and the other stuff I have to deal with every day as a software development and consultant. (And as always encourage the advice of a real lawyer when there's serious money, property or reputation on the line.) I don't oppose discussions on the topic of Free/Open Source Software as it relates to the copyright. GNU GPL and OSI and so on are on topic. Expressions of your opinion on the DMCA, the Sonny Bono Copyright Act, your interpretation of Sony/Betamax and so forth are political and just lead to a lot of wasted air, imo. If you want to express those opinions, and I do regularly, I aim at my congresspeople and at funding the organizations (EFF, ACLU, etc.) that advocate for my point of view. Or over a beer at Martha's. But here, such discussions are divisive, rarely if ever change any minds, and make the forum a more hostile place to hang out on. Let's leave those topics OFF-TOPIC, where they belong. -- Ted Roche Ted Roche Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Why we can't record our TV shows (was: In case you have not seen it.....Linux Media Center)
Rather scary how a mere discussion of the legalities elicts such a furor, another chilling effect illustrated... when you can't discuss the issues (and use illustrations such as links of the sort of things that are under fire), what's left but to cave in and give up? Now the question is, if Ben goes and edits the archives to remove the link.. Is that destruction of evidence? H.. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Copyright Issues (Was: Re: Why we can't record our TV shows
Expressions of your opinion on the DMCA, the Sonny Bono Copyright Act, your interpretation of Sony/Betamax and so forth are political and just lead to a lot of wasted air, imo. If you want to express those opinions, and I do regularly, I aim at my congresspeople and at funding the organizations (EFF, ACLU, etc.) that advocate for my point of view. Or over a beer at Martha's. But here, such discussions are divisive, rarely if ever change any minds, and make the forum a more hostile place to hang out on. Let's leave those topics OFF-TOPIC, where they belong. I think DMCA is fair game. It directly effects many aspects of linux and linux software. Including, but not limited to, Xine, MythTV, LinuxMCE, and others. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Why we can't record our TV shows
Seth Cohn wrote: And you've illustrated exactly the chilling effect on the flow of information. Yes, I have, intentionally. When a link, NOT copyrighted material itself IN ANY WAY, but a mere link to a website with information on it, is suddenly forbidden fruits and banned, what is the long term effect of that on the Internet, on discussion groups, etc? It's a serious problem, and I'm encouraging my congresspeople to make the lines much more clear. In the appropriate forums. That, it seems to me, IS on topic for this group, because without open discussion and the Internet flowing freely, and with bad copyright laws and bad patents enforced, the open source community faces a serious threat to its' existence. This is not the place to change bad laws. You and I may disagree with them, but for the sake of our community we need to follow them here until we get them changed. Let's focus our discussions on Linux and Free/Open Source Software and not on proprietary multimedia. There are plenty of other forums for that. I agree. Thank you. -- Ted Roche Ted Roche Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Recording GNHLUG meetings (was: mythtvfest)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:08:28 -0400 From: Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone with a digital video camera wants to volunteer to record the meeting, we can put it online at the GNHLUG website. Or YouTube, for that matter. This was one of the explicit goals for our new Internet server. What? And show the world how stupid we all look with black tongues? If we taped the GNHLUG meetings, all my friends would probably disown me. :) ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Why we can't record our TV shows (was: In case you have not seen it.....Linux Media Center)
On 3/26/07, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frankly, the Bono copyright extension was a perversion of justice, and I'd be glad to prove it to a jury in a court of law. As I said, *I am totally uninterested in campaign speeches*. Clarification: I am uninterested in campaign speeches arguing that this list should allow discussion of how do something illegal. If you want to campaign that a class of activities, in general, should or should not be illegal, knock yourself out. Just don't get into specifics. To use a really bad analogy: If you want to argue that homicide should not be illegal, I don't have a problem with that (as the server operator). But I would object to anyone giving instructions on how to kill others and get away with it, or links to same. I'd also frown upon anyone claiming they commit homicide on a regular basis. -- One day I feel I'm ahead of the wheel / And the next it's rolling over me -- Rush, Far Cry ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Why we can't record our TV shows (was: In case you have not seen it.....Linux Media Center)
One link to just show that some court decisions seem to indicate that lists like this one are protected from the content expressed by its members No, I am not a lawyer, neither are you. Feel free to err on the side of caution if you so wish, I understand that. I'm merely pointing out that cyberlaw is a mixed bag so far... and not standing up for one's rights to free speech is the easiest way to lose it. Fear of the unknown law is worse than the actual laws at times. http://www.techdirt.com/article.php?sid=20060306/0356217#c171 I'm done with the topic, ok, Ben? Though I will report on how well my Linux Media setup works when I get it going. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Why we can't record our TV shows
Travis Roy wrote: Rather scary how a mere discussion of the legalities elicts such a furor, another chilling effect illustrated... when you can't discuss the issues (and use illustrations such as links of the sort of things that are under fire), what's left but to cave in and give up? Now the question is, if Ben goes and edits the archives to remove the link.. Is that destruction of evidence? Maybe *attempted* destruction of evidence. He'd have to do a lot to hide the destruction since the TWiki is all RCS backed, logged, backed up, ... Its possible, but I think those who can do it have better things to do with their time. H.. Don't you feel like a colonial pion fighting against King George's army? The corporate megaliths are just praying that we consumers won't act with our wallets and start to completely ignore the traditional/modern forms of entertainment (TV/radio,records, ...) But something tells me their gods are stronger than ours. --Bruce ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Recording GNHLUG meetings (was: mythtvfest)
On Mar 26, 2007, at 15:12, Ben Scott wrote: We can Open Source it and let the bazaar fix it for us. Right? ;-) OK, I'll put the 30GB of raw .DV on liberty. ;) -Bill - Bill McGonigle, Owner Work: 603.448.4440 BFC Computing, LLC Home: 603.448.1668 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: 603.252.2606 http://www.bfccomputing.com/Page: 603.442.1833 New Blog: http://blog.bfccomputing.com/ VCard: http://bfccomputing.com/vcard/bill.vcf ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Why we can't record our TV shows (was: In case you have not seen it.....Linux Media Center)
To use a really bad analogy: If you want to argue that homicide
should not be illegal, I don't have a problem with that (as the server
operator). But I would object to anyone giving instructions on how to
kill others and get away with it, or links to same. I'd also frown
upon anyone claiming they commit homicide on a regular basis.
Sometimes I kill. I look up their id, and issue the command:
# kill {id}
Sometimes I really kill, with extreme prejudice:
# kill -9 {id}
It's ok, usually, as I'm above the law, when I'm root. Permissions
don't matter to me.
I'm a unix god!
I'd link to the man page someplace on the Internet, but Ben wouldn't
like that. (grin)
And I'm sure linking to http://www.cs.unm.edu/~dlchao/flake/doom/
is just going way way too far.
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Re: Why we can't record our TV shows (was: In case you have not seen it.....Linux Media Center)
Seth, There is a not-so-fine line between the issues of copyright, DMCA, etc. being discussed and the HOWTO of performing illegal acts being discussed, particularly when people get fast and loose about saying I did this and I used this. Even if you are careful about what you say, others may not be. I think that most of us on this list will agree that the recent rulings of our government sponsored by the recording and broadcast industries are Draconian by any measure. You might find less agreement on how much freedom people would allow in file sharing and swapping of copyrighted material. From my viewpoint you are welcome to discuss the issues of these topics (although I hope with an appropriate subject line), but not ways of breaking the law. Let's change the law to something that is better. Warmest regards, maddog ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Why we can't record our TV shows (was: In case you have not seen it.....Linux Media Center)
[I'm spooling up Seth Cohn's posts and consolidating them into a single reply. Order of comments has been rearranged for (supposed) clarity. An errors in editing are mine and mine alone. Actual results may vary. Participating locations only.] On 3/26/07, Seth Cohn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *** DO NOT DISCUSS ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES ON THIS LIST. I understand your point, and will comply with your wishes, despite my _opinion_ that it's not illegal in the first place. *Thank you.* pissing match with the MPAA. Since we were talking television and not ever movies, the MPAA isn't an issue ... Um, the MPAA explicitly considers television their problem: The MPAA ... serve as the voice and advocate of the American motion picture, home video and television industries -- http://www.mpaa.org/AboutUs.asp You make the same mistake a lot of people do (myself included): You suppose the world (and law in particular) works the way you think it should. There is a huge difference between supposition and actual knowledge. Fear of the unknown law is worse than the actual laws at times. If you are willing to sign a contract stating you will cover all of the costs arising from hypothetical legal action (including legal council, as well as replacement hardware if the server is seized as evidence), and are willing to post a bond as a measure of your commitment, then I'm willing to hear you. Otherwise, you're volunteering me, GNHLUG, and MV Communications for *your* legal battle. I'm not too keen on that idea. It's relatively easy for one person to take on a battle. As the list admin, I have a responsibility to act in the interests of everyone who associates themselves with GNHLUG. ... cyberlaw is a mixed bag so far... Absolutely. And we have no way of knowing what we might pull out of said mixed bag, should it come down to it. I, for one, do not wish to gamble on it. No, I am not a lawyer, neither are you. No, I am not a lawyer. However, I *am* acting on real legal council received from an actual lawyer in a past situation about the common carrier status of a BBS. http://www.techdirt.com/article.php?sid=20060306/0356217#c171 While I do not dispute that certain legal protections have been (inconsistently) applied to online forums, I note you posted a link to a comment in a blog which is a link to a different blog entry which is a link that results in an HTTP 404 error. As citations go, that one fails to impress. (I'm not asking you to go Google some more links; I'm pointing out that your failure to check your source has somewhat diminished your credibility in my eyes. Moral being: Check your sources.) when you can't discuss the issues (and use illustrations such as links of the sort of things that are under fire), ... The courts see a difference between the discussion of a law in general, vs explicit instruction on how to break said law. Further, the courts, not to mention your fellow human beings, recognize the concept of intent. You were asked not to bring up details of practicing copyright violation, and in response you posted a link to a site that specializes in same. That is more than walking on legally shaky ground. That is behaving like a jerk. I will give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume that was an exception to your normal behavior. I'm certainly not immune to loosing my cool. -- Ben Can't you see / My temperature's rising / I radiate more heat than light -- Rush, Presto ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Why we can't record our TV shows (was: In case you have not seen it.....Linux Media Center)
On 3/26/07, Jon 'maddog' Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that most of us on this list will agree that the recent rulings of our government sponsored by the recording and broadcast industries are Draconian by any measure. I absolutely agree, here. You might find less agreement on how much freedom people would allow in file sharing and swapping of copyrighted material. I'm not even going as far as weighing in on that matter. I'm just saying that, right or wrong, I do not want to open a legal can of worms. I doubt GNHLUG or MV does, either. Don't seek out trouble; it will find you soon enough on its own. Let's change the law to something that is better. Well said! -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Why we can't record our TV shows (was: In case you have not seen it.....Linux Media Center)
I note you posted a link to a comment in a blog which is a link to a different blog entry which is a link that results in an HTTP 404 error. heheh, I didn't notice the 404 error. Ok, citing a 404 page is pretty poor as a defense. Never mind in my best Emily Latella voice You were asked not to bring up details of practicing copyright violation, and in response you posted a link to a site that specializes in same. Actually, I posted a link to an rss feed, as an example of how a list sorting duplicate handling problem was handled in one case. But potato, potato. It wasn't my intention to do more than answer a specific raised question about that problem, and if I offended and upset you, I do apologize for it. Seth ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Why we can't record our TV shows (was: In case you have not seen it.....Linux Media Center)
On 3/26/07, Travis Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now the question is, if Ben goes and edits the archives to remove the link.. Is that destruction of evidence? After a subpoena has been issued, I'm pretty sure it is. Before then, I'm not sure. Either way, I'm not going to modify the archives on liberty.gnhlug.org unless someone files a formal complaint. (And to any smart-asses on this list: GNHLUG actually *does* have a lawyer available. Please do not waste his time or our very meager resources with a spurious complaint.) I should point out that this list is publicly archived at multiple sites, and we have no control over such archives. -- One day I feel I'm ahead of the wheel / And the next it's rolling over me -- Rush, Far Cry ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Dell Latitude D620 - any experiences?
Is anyone here running Linux on a Dell Latitude D620 laptop? I'm seriously considering buying one and have some specific questions for someone currently using it. Thanks, Scott -- Scott Garman sgarman at iname dot com ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Why we can't record our TV shows (was: In case you have not seen it.....Linux Media Center)
On 3/26/07, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not just do a one-time batch tivodecode of the .tivo files to .mpeg files? That's what I did. Anyone recommend a good mpeg editor once you have them converted so I can take out the $#^%# commercials? ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Editing video to remove commercials (was: Why we can't record...)
On 3/26/07, Bob King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not just do a one-time batch tivodecode of the .tivo files to .mpeg files? That's what I did. Anyone recommend a good mpeg editor once you have them converted so I can take out the $#^%# commercials? I don't have any experience with this myself (yet), but I am told MythTV can do post-processing on recordings to automatically mark commercials, and skip them during playback. So if you can get those recordings into MythTV, you should be in good shape. (In response to off-list concerns: It's completely legal to record programs yourself, if you're just going to watch them yourself. That falls under fair use. You can also edit said recordings however you like. So it's not illegal to edit out commercials -- much to the displeasure of the TV industry, I'm sure. So this is fair game for discussion.) -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: off-topic - What happened to the TV series season?
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 19:25:02 -0400 From: Jeff Macdonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just watched Battlestar Galactica, which turned out to be the last one for the season. The next one won't be till 200 8. Ugh! Perhaps explaining to you my position will help cheer you up: I'm *glad* that Battlestar Galactica won't air until 2008--because it means that I no longer have any excuse to watch TV! I won't have any reason to run /usr/bin/tvtime for the next 9 months (3/4 of a year!). In fact, I could even take the tuner card out of the machine if I didn't need it for the MythTV installfest I'm going to this Saturday. ;) I think of all the creative things I could do with this time, and it just makes me giddy! The networks are giving me less and less reason to watch this stuff when it's aired IMO, Battlestar Galactica was the ONLY thing on worth watching. Most TV programming, I think, is rather mindless (read: just a drug). Battlestar, I believe, falls more into the category of literature. It's plot, characters, and themes are so well-woven I don't ever want another episode to air. :) ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?
And then there are these: Sony VGN-UX380N - http://tinyurl.com/3crnt6 OQO - http://www.oqo.com/ I walked past the Sony on a store display the other day, and spent the next several minutes playing with it. It's a pretty impressive little box. Still too big and heavy to be a PDA, but not by much. Loaded with features. Just a few problems: (1) It's from Sony. (2) It costs $2000. (3) Sony is infamous for loading their computers with hardware that only works if you load their bloated, badly written, annoyingly flashing software to drive it. Worse, such software is only available for 'doze. See (1), above. The OQO is cheaper only by comparison. $1500. But damn, they are *shinny*. :-) -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: off-topic - What happened to the TV series season?
QQ 200*8*? On 3/26/07, Jeff Macdonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just watched Battlestar Galactica, which turned out to be the last one for the season. The next one won't be till 200 8. Ugh! The networks are giving me less and less reason to watch this stuff when it's aired (or in my case, within a week of it's airdate, since I'm a happy TiVo user). I just hope that by 2008 TiVo will figure a way to include the network shows that are available on the internet by then. -- Jeff Macdonald Ayer, MA ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ -- -- Thomas ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
FW: Presenter wanted on Debian Sarge to Etch
I figure this might be of interest to the general readership, so I'm repeating it here. Please send replies to the original poster's address, given below. I am not endorsing the message in any way. -- Forwarded message -- From: Tech Writer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mar 26, 2007 12:58 PM Subject: [gnhlug-jobs] Debian Prensenter I'm trying to help a customer find someone to give a presenation that will discuss the changes in Debian from Sarge to Etch. If you'd like more information, please contact me. Thanks, Peg Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Looking for a NH mail list talking about Linux
I found one several years ago, but dropped off after long stretches of off-topic posts. I think I found a new one last year that includes a digest mode, but lately it's been flooded about IP and other issues that are outside of Linux and even the digests are getting annoying. Ah well, I have the freedom to be free of annoying mail lists. As a public service, maybe we can bring the discussion back to Linux, you know, let's create world peace by sending Linux to the cradle of civilization. Or have AOL send copies of Ubuntu out to all the breeders so the abortion debate falters due to lack of fetuses. (Note that helps stop global warming.) Or start a underclocking movement to run efficient Linux more efficiently and displace lesser OSes in the marketplace. (And stop global warming.) Or maybe I'll ask about getting a video recording I made of a bail hearing uploaded to YouTube. (It's just of a deadbeat dad who has custody of his daughter and is in jail for non-payment of child support even though he's broke and the NH Supreme Court decreed that inability to pay is not reason enough to be sent to jail.) (Hey, didn't I see a message about changing copyright law? This is just as much on topic, unless I upload the video from MacOS, but that's really BSD so that's close enough) Or maybe I'll give up on the Linux discussion mailing list and just go to the PySig meetings. -Ric Werme ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Dell Latitude D620 - any experiences?
On 3/26/07, Scott Garman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anyone here running Linux on a Dell Latitude D620 laptop? We've got some D620's at work, but they're running that other OS. What do you want to know? I can boot one to a distro CD of your choice and run some commands if you like, or just report on compatibility with a Live CD. -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Looking for a NH mail list talking about Linux
From: Ric Werme [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 21:02:00 -0400 (EDT) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] of off-topic posts. I think I found a new one last year that includes a digest mode, but lately it's been flooded about IP and other issues that are outside of Linux and even the digests are getting annoying. Ah well, Maybe it's time to revive the we need a [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list to send all our off-topic posts to thread. Or maybe Ben can grep -v all the messages with subjects matching ^OT: out of the mailing list digests. To your credit, there has been an ENORMOUS amount of traffic on the list lately--far more than normal. As for me? Well, I just HAD to add one more message to the mix. ;) ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Dell Latitude D620 - any experiences?
Scott, I got a few responses and cut and paste them into this response, see in line below (again, these are not from me but from folks at Oracle who are using D620s with Linux): Good luck! Rich Scott Garman wrote: Richard Soule wrote: Oracle uses the Dell Latitude D620 laptop internally. Quite a few of us run Linux on it. Personally I use Linux within a VMWare VM quite frequently on a D620. (One of the downsides of being in sales support is the pervasive use of MS stuff that ends up not working that great on Linux. On the other hand the pay is pretty good...) We also have folks who use it day to day on the machine itself. We have something called the 'Oracle Base Image' that installs Red Hat Linux with everything you need to get your job done (theoretically) for a D620. It works very well for folks in development. If you have specific questions then I can ask them on an internal list that we have. Hi Rich, Thanks for the reply. I'm interested in running Linux natively on it, and my concerns are primarily with the typical annoyances of running Linux on laptops: suspend to RAM, hibernate, and wireless support. Even on my current Sony S260, which technically supports and works with these functions, I tend to have frequent issues which require me to reboot the laptop at least once per week: * Wake from suspend freezes the system (no responsiveness from anything at all, it's entirely locked up) * NetworkManager refuses to associate with my network. It tries but never finishes connecting. Repeated connection attempts don't fix the problem. * (probably related to the previous) - NetworkManager connects to my network, and I can use the network for a minute or two, and then I totally lose my network connection (NetworkManager still thinks I'm connected, though). Other times I start getting massive packet loss. A good place for linux on laptops is the following link, which you may have already looked at. http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/dell.html You will see commentary for Fedora, Ubuntu, Open SuSE, Debian, and others. Ubuntu is not the latest version of code, but they have focused on laptop work a bit more of late. In general laptops still suffer from the issues you raise above. Power management (suspend/resume/hibernate) is still an issue, which Intel has contributed code to help in current upstream kernels, but the OEMs also need to work with the community on their docking station implementations to improve this. Wifi - if your flavor of the Dell laptop has the Intel 3945 - you will need to hand tend it from sourceforge.net with all of the appropriate firmware, kernel, and daemon support from Intel. The upstream kernel has not accepted this solution at this time. The newer versions of Network Manager are getting better, but still need some work. If I spring for a new laptop, I'm hoping to resolve some of these issues. I'm an Ubuntu user, but people running the latest release of Fedora would probably be able to tell if recent kernels support these options reliably. Also, I'd like to hear general impressions of how hot/loud the laptop gets. I tried a Core2Duo Macbook recently and found it gets uncomfortably hot to use on my lap for long periods of time, and was wondering if the D620 is going to exhibit the same problem. I ran a Thinkpad T60p with a Core2Duo proc, 2 G of RAM, and it was not any louder/hotter than my previous T30, T42, T43 running versions of Fedora Core 3 and 5. Thanks so much for your time, Scott And finally: Which distribution are you using? You can try Ubuntu Feisty, it works well. Reference: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/DellLatitudeD620 ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
