Re: [IceHorses] The Horse's Ten Commandments
I was thinking about this, and thinking how some of it really doesn't apply to a lot of Icelandics, thank goodness! Nearly all of them live in herds, even if only a herd of two or three, and they are not kept stabled 24/7 . Any >separation from you will be painful for me. Actually, providing I have my equine friends, exercise, food, water and shelter, I'm not THAT bothered if I see you or not. > >[] Don't lock me up as punishment. You have your work, >your entertainment and your friends. I have only you. And my equine friends who are S much more interesting! > >Remember that I love you. > Actually, I don't believe most horses love their humans. Horses are prey, humans are predators. They may grow to like and trust us after years of good handling, but love? I don't really think so. Show me a horse that is always happier to be with his human than with his best equine friend there's just not that many (if any) of them around. These things are nice, but horses are horses and people are people, and we don't think alike or have the same emotional responses. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] she needs a name
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:26:25 -0600, you wrote: >She's 7 weeks old and needs a name. Any ideas? She's small, spiky and xmassy. Holly. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] Natural Tolter
On 21/12/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No, she does not have another horse with her, there were suppose to be some > here but they didn't come for a visit. I know she is scared, terrified for a > fact. I thought about borrowing one from the neighbor. Maybe tomorrow I can > get another icy. Thanks, Sylvia Get another icy??. How many times have we heard that? Sylvia...you're heading down a slippery slope. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] she needs a name
On 21/12/2007, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > wanda how is little bjork doing?? give us an update. i bet you could > housebreak her if you bought her some of those little red polka dot > ruffledy panties. and you could do her nails red while its snowing > out and put a little red bow in her hair. just offering some > constructive dog training advice. Oh thanks...good sound advice is always appreciated. She's presently sitting in Cara's lap, staring up into her face. She's just the quietest little thing, but she's always watching you with those bright eyes of hers. Betty or Bjorkhmm.. Wanda
[IceHorses] Merry Christmas Video
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Re: [IceHorses] Natural Tolter
In a message dated 12/21/2007 7:22:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wri No, she does not have another horse with her, there were suppose to be some here but they didn't come for a visit. I know she is scared, terrified for a fact. I thought about borrowing one from the neighbor. Maybe tomorrow I can get another icy. Thanks, Sylvia **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
Re: [IceHorses] she needs a name
wanda how is little bjork doing?? give us an update. i bet you could housebreak her if you bought her some of those little red polka dot ruffledy panties. and you could do her nails red while its snowing out and put a little red bow in her hair. just offering some constructive dog training advice. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandic-Style Riding Instructor
Karen and Judy, Thanks again for the advice and sharing your years of experience. I had no clue a saddle could be used as a mechanical aid. This is very discouraging. I thought the Icelandic was a "natural horse." Seems they have a few things in common with the TWH. I have seen some Peruvians being ridden ventroflexed but the saddles are wide. They are also supposed to be ridden with a loose rein and must be shown barefoot to prove the gait is natural. In fact, I have never seen a shod Peruvian. So I guess I just need to find a good all around natural horse trainer. I liked this barn because the one lesson I had seemed to have a lot of focus on classical equitation skills. It is so hard to find a qualified instructor who is also kind to their horses. I rode many years ago as a child but only recently got back into riding about a year ago. I am not very experienced. Is there anyone in Southern California who knows of a good trainer? I live in OC but would be willing to drive 1.5 hourse either way for the right instructor. Thanks, Maria Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [IceHorses] Parelli Who?
On 12/21/07, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > He is capable of working off lead in a way that brings tears to my eyes. > Today, he stayed with me for one turn of the arena and then just sort of > wandered off. > > Nancy > haha. you shoulda videod it and posted it on youtube for critique. i would take up for you :) today we took up a rug in our entry way thats been needing cleaning so long we decided to just throw it away. We rolled it up and my husband took it out and put it in the back of his truck. I had the horses out in front and as I sat on the porch watching, stonewall walked over and started licking it like a cat, like it was just the best thing he ever tasted, then he bit it and tried to drag it out and when he couldnt he started lifting a foot and trying to paw it so it would drop out. I wished I had videod it. I could post it on youtube and say "here is my horse stonewall, he is trained to lick carpets clean." but i bet if i did some yahoo would post a comment that he seemed distracted and not disciplined enough and that i was a lousy trainer and had taught him all wrong. :) Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] she needs a name
name her Bjork! then you could work up a trick. When she barks at people who come over say "tell them your name!" and she'll go bjork bjork. Bjork would be perfect!! Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] she needs a name
you could name her betty. Shes got betty davis eyes. janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] she needs a name
is she a yorkie wanda? From her pic its hard to judge her size. How big is she?? she is just a cute little bunnee. Annas yorkies are about the teeniest I ever saw! Just remember the mean part of a pit bull terrier is the terrier. you have to teach them to be nice. Ruby sits in my lap and when the big dogs walk by she goes g and bares her teeth haha. She is the BOSS. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] she needs a name
i think hard to housebreak is a terrier thing! I have had several and they were all hard to housebreak. Our blue heeler and austrailian shepherd just housebroke theirselves. They just seemed to naturally want to go outside. Ruby acts like she is too afraid to have me out of her sight to go do her business so when I let her out i have to stand there on the porch the whole time while she watches me like a hawk to make sure i dont leave her. She is ok if I dont leave her out of her crate at night or when we arent home. She never soils her crate. or the car. When I go riding on cool days she comes along and sleeps in the truck the whole time and has never had an accident in there. The best housebroken terrier I had was my westie Pearl. I went on a long car trip across country with her when she was new to me, about 4 months old, and the car was so full of junk she had to sit in a tiny little space and I would stop often to let her go. By the end of the trip she was perfectly housebroken, so I learned from that the crate method is best since its about the same principal. but ruby would rather have an accident by the front door than wake me up and take a chance she might run outside and be swallowed up into the twilite zone and never see me again. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Natural Tolter
>>>she just ran past me and tried to kick my head > off. I drug dog panels out to the arena and blocked the spots where it is not > a > stud panel type that she was going to thru. I took off the halter before she > hangs herself on something and tied everything down. I had a really easy time > with my colt and he was an angel from Canada. Never been touched ever and > came to me and was dead broke in three weeks. She is very upset. is this your little baby Sylvia?? She is full of beans then :) Bless her heart. One time at a boarding barn my husband was petting this little filly every day and she let him love on her etc. Then one day she kicked him in his uhmn, "lap" and let us just say he is not real quick to handle babies any more haha. I guess they can do a lot of damage with those little feet! My Nasi was nippy as a baby. I would read all these posts about everyones darling icies, how perfectly calm and angelic in temperament and all the while nasi would bite at me like a little goat, bust thru all the electric wire at the boarding barn and have furious stallions chasing him everywhere, would come galloping from the end of the pasture right at me just to see if he could scare me, would try and deliberately knock me down... I thought I had bought a rare icelandic demon. He still has a little demon twinkle in his eye but he never bites, is very calm and mannerly and is absolutely fearless. He seems to have a sense of humor tho. maybe its me. When my daughter was two I thought she would end up in san quentin but she's an accomplished law abiding professional now :) Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Annette
--- Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just came across this photo of Annette, the woman > who is thinking an > Icelandic might be in her future.<< If she wants to raise her own, Andi's and Foxi's baby, Vinney, will be 2 in April and he is a natural gaiter everywhere he goes, so she won't have to deal with gait. He is 3/4 Icelandic and only available to a special home or else he is staying here (something my hubby doesn't know yet!). Susan in NV Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Disclaimer CAUTION: DO NOT DRIVE WITH HOT COFFEE IN YOUR LAP Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
[IceHorses] Parelli Who?
It's been a while since I took time to do any ground work with the TWH Hunter. I can usually tell when he is beginning to need my rather uninformed version of the 7 Games. So - today was the day. I was right. He was not tuned in. He had some good moments, no great moments, but we ended up with him relaxed and his eyes soft. I really know it helps him, but sometimes I fall into a pattern of just getting on and riding him. He is capable of working off lead in a way that brings tears to my eyes. Today, he stayed with me for one turn of the arena and then just sort of wandered off. Nancy
RE: [IceHorses] she needs a name
Hi Wanda VERY cute puppy. For house training remember that small dogs have small bladders and need to go out more often. I have used the clicker to help house train and it was very effective. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
Re: [IceHorses] icelandic parelli?
he is my only horse that will "ground > tie". I can drop the lead and he will stand politely while I open the gate, walk thru, stand politely while I close it. Yet the same horse will knock me down and step on my leg when unloading from a trailer at a new house he's never been to before. I want to get where we can walk down the road and do the porcupine game and he will stay in his space and outa mine! You can get there. Part of the reason I like the Parelli games is that it's organized. Now, granted, I don't apply it the same way to every one of my horses - in fact, I don't use it at all with some of the horses who've come here with great manners - I just use what they already know. But that organization can help keep both of you focused the next time you're in a crisis. >>> and then confuse him by smacking him if he gets in your space. You shouldn't need to be rough or aggressive at all. I'll bet he will do great... Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandic-Style Riding Instructor
I am really sorry to hear that some Icelandic trainers do not use natural horsemanship methods Maria, a lot of us individual owners/amateur trainers DO use natural horsemanship, but unfortunately it's not common with the traditional/show crowd. They may SAY they do, but I've been practicing some variations of NH for about 16 years, and I don't see what I'm used to seeing in the show crowd...not by a LONG shot. Same with dressage... the words simply don't match the actions. When I first joined these lists about 5 years ago, the whole concept of dressage was scoffed by some of the people who know claim to use it. Believe me, if you want to learn a little about dressage, you really need to work with someone who's been studying/practicing it for more than a couple of years, and who really understands it! Not only do I not see it, but just a year or so ago, one of the two "official" US breed magazines ran a story that NH won't work for training an Icelandic, except for maybe a little basic groundwork. Believe me, there are those of us who own living proof that's malarkey. These are great horses, but the only "special" training and riding they need is GOOD training and riding! Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] she needs a name
On Dec 21, 2007 9:57 PM, Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > watching her apparently)...and she did a huge poo right at the > end of our bedand then Kevin promptly stepped in it. > > She hasn't endeared herself to him yet, though they are glancing at > each other... > > Wanda > Off to snug with her and watch some more TV All of our yorkies have been hard to housebreak. Arnie's 8 mos old and he still has 'accidents'. They tend to have a lot of reasons for not doing their business outside-too cold, it's raining and I don't want to get wet, I forgot to go while I was outside, I was too busy smelling everything and running as fast as I can, I'd rather just go here in the bathroom where you go. I even got the newest puppy training book put out by one of the vet schools to brush up on my training technique. I took him to work with me for the first few months so that I could work on housebreaking him and socializing him. He did quite well but still has accidents. Remember a puppy usually can only hold it for the number of hours of his age in months plus one- 4 month old can hold for 5 hours. Crate training helps but I had a hard time keeping him locked in there when he wants to be with the other dogs and us. At least with small dogs you only have small messes and they are so darned cute. -- Anna Southern Ohio
Re: [IceHorses] Natural Tolter
>>> Oh God I hope that is so, she just ran past me and tried to kick my head off. Poor baby must be frantic being away from home the first time. Is she settling down yet? Does she have another horse in with her? Don't get yourself hurt. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] she needs a name
On 21/12/2007, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ohmigosh! She's precious. > > Nancy Little Miss precious snuck off when I was in the kitchen (Kevin was watching her apparently)...and she did a huge poo right at the end of our bedand then Kevin promptly stepped in it. She hasn't endeared herself to him yet, though they are glancing at each other... Wanda Off to snug with her and watch some more TV
Re: [IceHorses] she needs a name
Ohmigosh! She's precious. Nancy
[IceHorses] The Horse's Ten Commandments
The Horse's Ten Commandments: [] My life is likely to last 20 or more years. Any separation from you will be painful for me. Remember that before you take me home. [] Give me time to understand what you want from me. [] Place your trust in me. It is crucial to my well being. [] Don't be angry with me for long. [] Don't lock me up as punishment. You have your work, your entertainment and your friends. I have only you. [] Talk to me sometimes. Even if I don't understand your words, I do understand your voice when it is speaking to me. Be aware that however you treat me, I'll never forget it. [] Remember before you hit me that I am powerful enough to hurt you, but choose not to. [] Before you scold me for being uncooperative, obstinate, or lazy, ask yourself if something might be bothering me. Perhaps I have a problem that you are not yet aware of. [] Take care of me when I am old. You too will be old one day. [] Go with me on the last journey. Never say "I can't bear to watch or Let it happen in my absence." Everything is easier for me if you are there. Remember that I love you.
Re: Re: [IceHorses] OT picture of me and HAZEL
>> my gosh bia, shes glorious! and you look great together :) > > I agree. Thanks everyone for saying such nice things. She is going to be a good friend. I hope everyone has a great holiday Bia
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandic-Style Riding Instructor
>> use a lot of dressage in the training. I know that they feel they are using dressage, but I think not many dressage people would accept what they are doing as dressage. > questions and check to see if they use such > practices. Do they use icelandic saddles? That's a mechanical aid which forces the horse into ventroflexion because of the tightness (narrowness) of the saddle, and sometimes the length with the extended panels that dig into the loins. A little bit of whip keeps the horse tense enough to gait sometimes (not something that we like to see because if it makes the horse tense, there may be some reminder of it's past use). >>>I would never support anyone who did not > train using humane methods. Look for the saddles, heavy contact, whether the horse gaits on a loose rein, what gait the horse is doing, if the shoes are regular normal keg shoes or heavier shoes and / or different types or size and weight shoes between front and back feet (and ask why the horse is shod if used in an arena or on less than extremely rocky terrain). Judy
Re: [IceHorses] she needs a name
Wanda...you're such a push over for puppy breath!! Call her Corazon, cuz she stole yours. <;] Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] icelandic parelli?
On 12/21/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> > > > That "hunkering over" is pretty key. After you get to the point that is > instinctive to you, you can do the same thing with just the subtlest tilt of > your head. Horses are VERY tuned in to body language, and even a horse that > doesn't know the Parelli program will many times respond to the body language > they show you. I'm convinced that he Seven Games aren't the "Parelli Games" > - they are part of the natural language of horses. > > > Karen I had a really good session with Walls today. He backed up with me pressing my fingertips to his nose. it was awesome. (the porcupine game). He gets excited and walks all over me. If he gets nervous he wants to be close to me and steps on me or a few times has knocked me down. I have got where I am nervous to even lead him in an excited situation because he just walks all over me. yet at home for instance, walking thru a gate, he is my only horse that will "ground tie". I can drop the lead and he will stand politely while I open the gate, walk thru, stand politely while I close it. Yet the same horse will knock me down and step on my leg when unloading from a trailer at a new house he's never been to before. I want to get where we can walk down the road and do the porcupine game and he will stay in his space and outa mine! Its very hard to train a horse that does nothing wrong at home, that is perfectly mannered then you get him off from home and he's a nut. I am hoping this parelli thing works with him. He is very very special. but its cruel to take a horse that was overimprinted and actually taken into the house onto the sofa cause his momma died, and then confuse him by smacking him if he gets in your space. Would make him neurotic i think! He just wouldnt understand. There has to be another way... and besides, I never want to take the specialness out of him. he is too TOO special. if i can get him where I wiggle the lead rope and he backs off a little that will be so great. If i can get him confident and relaxed at all times, he would be as good a horse as there is! Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Re: O T Question
On 12/21/07, JR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Horses use thier senses to observe the world around them. On a windy > day, everything is moving, making them think something might be hiding > in there. The wind also brings tons of new smells and for all they > know that dog or something is right behind that moving bush. The wind > also dulls their hearing. Can't hear, weird smells, everything moving, > and it feels like something is touching them. Other then taste, thier > whole world has been shaken up. > > JR > Molly and Jacky > yes JR, thats a good post... today I worked with my stonewall for a long time and he was relaxed and loving and happy. I went inside and had some chicks hatching in my incubator and got blood on my shirt and hands, then an egg that didnt hatch exploded and I got rotten egg on me and I was going to throw it in the laundry and saw stonewall outside licking some dirty sandy celery i had thrown out for the chickens. When I went out he leaned and sniffed my shirt and when he did he jumped away, eyes wild. He obviously smelled blood and death and it scared him. maybe he was wondering where I went. Maybe he thought it was like invasion of the body snatchers haha. One time a hunter came out of the woods in camo gear and stonewall freaked but when the man called out and stonewall realized he was a man, he relaxed... lord only knows what they see or hear... janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Natural Tolter
what was the shot combination exactly? I know you said west nile... but what was the other part? thats scarey. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Natural Tolter
i dont think a horse has to be ridden a certain way, english or western, just because of breed. I guess you would say I ride english because I like to direct rein and I like a saddle with no horn, but when I trail ride after a while I will relax and neck rein. Then when the horse gaits, even trots, I direct rein again. But I have never been formally trained to ride and just ride the way I ride, the saddle is just that I have a preference for no horn, the direct reining is just that I have found my horses gait better when i sit a certain way and direct rein. altho I ordinarily ride with not much rein contact even when they gait. anyway :) Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandic-Style Riding Instructor
Hi Judy, THank you for the advice. I have been to the barn before and they seemed very kind to the horses. They use a lot of dressage in the training. But I will ask questions and check to see if they use such practices. I would never support anyone who did not train using humane methods. I appreciate the "heads-up." There are inhumane trainers in all breeds and diciplines and that is one thing I look for. There is just no excuse for such barbaric training methods. I am really sorry to hear that some Icelandic trainers do not use natural horsemanship methods. Maria Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
RE: [IceHorses] Natural Tolter
>>> I mentioned different ridign styles because Peruvian Horses are ridden more Western style and Icelandics seem to be ridden English with a lot more contact on the bit. Not here! We always ride with a casual rein, minimal contact. A well-gaited horse doesn't need contact in order to gait. And that's certainly not anything specific to any breed. I'm a pleasure/trail rider, but my formal lessons have been in classical "English" riding - hunter lessons first, then some light dressage. Then I stumbled into natural horsemanship, which isn't really tied to any defined discipline, but is more about gentle, easy-going horsemanship built around a solid partnership with the horse. I can use these skills with an Icelandic just as easily as with any breed - and we have a blast. >>> The teachers are Icelandic so I imagine it will be differen than taking lessons from a Peruvian trainer Maybe I am wrong. I don't have a lot of experience either way. I don't know them, but having started riding when my daughter was eight, I would advise you to, first and foremost, pick a GOOD trainer for your daughter, someone who will teach her to value and respect her horse, to ride safely, and with good equitation. Good equitation is good equitation, and good horsemanship is good horsemanship. Period. Whatever the breed. I can't brag enough on the trainer we eventually found to work with my daughter and her Arab...and who still helps us with our Icelandic's. She always made Emily think of thing from the horse's viewpoint, not as some ATV. A good trainer is a good trainer. (The trainer we work with is American - and very good with Icelandics...and Arabs..and TWH...and QH...!) Riding CAN be a positive social outlet for kids (or it can be a competitive, snooty fiasco, where no one has fun, least of all the horses...) so I'd try to find her a trainer/instructor who will 1) teach her good horsemanship and respect for the animals, and 2) to ride in a way that she can relate to other kids. Unfortunately, Icelandic style riding is rather obscure in the USA, and may set her up for ridicule with her peers. It may not be nice, but kids can be awfully cliquish. It's quite possible to ride an Icelandic horse in a good, positive way - I don't think so many people are snobbish against Icelandic's, but the traditional, show-type riding style is definitely not "mainstream" horsemanship in the USA...to put it tactfully! Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1190 - Release Date: 12/19/2007 7:37 PM
[IceHorses] Icelandic-Style Riding Instructor
Personally, I would not take lessons from an icelandic-style riding instructor or trainer. There are a few reasons for this: [] They do not have well-rounded experience or education in riding styles or disciplines to bring out the best in the horse naturally. [] Force, heavy contact, mechanical aids are used. [] Supporting them, in my opinion, supports the abusive practices and keeps the problems perpetuated in the breed. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: Re: [IceHorses] OT picture of me and HAZEL
On 12/21/07, Virginia Tupper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Can donkeys be ridden? I saw these sweeties for sale on Atlantic > Rider -- they look like bunnies. oh yes. jesus and mary rode donkeys remember ... they have to be trained really really young or they will never do anything if left to pasture for years and then brought out for training. I know a man who raises donkeys and he says he has them as soon as they are weaned pulling a tiny cart with a halter on and wearing a saddle and loading in a trailer, having their feet picked up etc, then he said after all that he just puts them out to pasture. Then when they are old enough to be broke they are fine with it. I know what he says is true. Because my curly ray will not get in a trailer. You have to pick him up like a recliner chair. Thank goodness he doesnt kick or fight it. also I know a woman who has to blindfold her jenny to move her from one paddock to the next because she hit a hot wire ONE time and from that day on will not leave her paddock without a huge fight. they will just rather die than do something if they are afraid. I would try and drag curly to take a bath and then one day I heard a funny noise and looked and he was actually choking on the rope halter. Gosh I felt awful. now he is just nasty all the time but he hates baths and he wont get in a trailer. he was 6 years old when he was given to me and had always been in a pasture and never asked to do anything, thank goodness he is ok with getting his feet done. My farrier won't do a kicking horse or mule or donkey unless you have a vet out to sedate them first. i personally believe the way you train a donkey is a good way to do a young horse, to get them to wear a saddle and sidepull around as a yearling etc so they think nothing of it when you get ready to really train them. its so stressful to be started under saddle, is good I think to have them thinking a saddle is no big deal by that time. When I put nasi's saddle on he always turns and gazes at it real long like "oh there is that thing again." haha Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] she needs a name
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Re: [IceHorses] A Tosca Report
very cool nancy :) and rheumatoid runs in my family so I know that painful as it is, you have to keep active or it can get worse than if you don't! So finding a horse that will keep you active but not hurt your joints too bad would be great. I have knee issues and thank goodness my tall horses will stand all day while I mount, otherwise I'd be in trouble. I can almost mount teev from the ground, bet i could in a pinch if i had to, but just seems better on my knees somehow. also he trots, but he has a special trot he does that my rear doesnt even leave the saddle its so nice. also he has a peppy little flatwalk he can do a nice long time and it is just a real pleasant smooth rate of speed. some easy gaits are naturally very fast, too fast to smell roses imo, like a rack. Teevs canter is too fast really in and out trees is scarey at the canter he goes so fast, actually faster than my tall horses, which i dont understand. but some easy gaits like a runningwalk or foxtrot are a nice pleasant speed to me. but i like a thrill ride saddle rack too :) just not in and out trees on a horse that will crack your knees yiii I am glad bev is back :)janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] she needs a name
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RE: [IceHorses] icelandic parelli?
>>> Someone asked what was so parelli about it, but I liked it because it is a >>> normal person trying to do parelli, not a certified official parelli thing. Pat Parelli will be the first to tell you that, when it comes right down to it, nothing is really "so Parelli" about his program. He uses good, sound natural horsemanship methods, but their claim to fame is coming up with the most organized program for the average person to follow. He's quick to give credit to his mentors, like Ronnie Willis and Tom Dorrence to name a couple. get so much more out of seeing it than reading it, and like this woman, she squats down when she does the "come here" part of the yoyo. On the parelli video linda is doing it and she sorta hunkers over. I noticed this woman is tall. Its just interesting to me to see the translations. That "hunkering over" is pretty key. After you get to the point that is instinctive to you, you can do the same thing with just the subtlest tilt of your head. Horses are VERY tuned in to body language, and even a horse that doesn't know the Parelli program will many times respond to the body language they show you. I'm convinced that he Seven Games aren't the "Parelli Games" - they are part of the natural language of horses. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1190 - Release Date: 12/19/2007 7:37 PM
RE: [IceHorses] Natural Tolter
--- Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > First of all, welcome to the list, Maria. WHAT Is YOUR definition of > "tolt"? Hi Karen,. Thank you for the welcome. I guess I will have to put it into Peruvian terms since that is all I know. To me a horse with good gait has a wide "thread." Which means they can maintain the gait ( 4 beat lateral with 3 foot support) in all range of speeds from slow to fast. The best Peruvians will choose to gait at liberty rather than trot but they will also trot and canter. Good timing is also important to a smooth ride. So, I guess to answer your question I would say a horse that is smooth, with good timing and with a wide range of speed within the gait. I mentioned different ridign styles because Peruvian Horses are ridden more Western style and Icelandics seem to be ridden English with a lot more contact on the bit. Valhalla is a training barn for Icelandics in Lake View Terrace. The teachers are Icelandic so I imagine it will be differen than taking lessons from a Peruvian trainer Maybe I am wrong. I don't have a lot of experience either way. Thanks for all the info. I really want to learn as muc as I can. Maria Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [IceHorses] she needs a name
On 12/21/07, Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Blink! I hadn't thought of that. I'm not accustomed to having a > house dog. Where is a good place to buy dog clothes? > > Wanda > Target, walmart, Jeffers. You talk about costco all the time but we dont have that here. do they have dog stuff? We have petmart and stuff but those places seem expensive! I got ruby a little army bomber jacket, satin, with sargent stripes :) at walmart for 12 bucks. My daughter knitted me a little neck scarf for christmas, and I got some pipe cleaners and I am trying to make ruby a scarf that will wave out in the air behind just like the red baron, so be on the lookout for more ruby and teev pics haha. My husband has a paper mask for his nose and mouth, and I am gonna paint it black with shoe polish and see if I can get it to look like a little helmet. Any more helmet ideas for her? I bought a little girls swim hat at the goodwill but it doesnt work, altho it is very very funny, it pulls the hair around her eyes so they pull up into slits like she has had a bad face lift. I laughed so hard I almost fell off the couch and she was of course, very very deeply offended... your puppy should not develop self confident issues until a little older so now would be ideal for dressing her in humiliating outfits and taking lots of pics and getting her to enjoy sitting on a horse's back.\ hurry up and name her i am getting tired of calling her "the puppy" Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] Re: O T Question
Horses use thier senses to observe the world around them. On a windy day, everything is moving, making them think something might be hiding in there. The wind also brings tons of new smells and for all they know that dog or something is right behind that moving bush. The wind also dulls their hearing. Can't hear, weird smells, everything moving, and it feels like something is touching them. Other then taste, thier whole world has been shaken up. JR Molly and Jacky
Re: [IceHorses] Natural Tolter
In a message dated 12/21/2007 3:25:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Maria, I am just a trail rider for fourty years now, so I don't think I have a style not even western or English. I have had an endurance saddle for years and liked it better than western or English and hated Australian saddles. Cannot post in the tight little things. I just enjoy the easy gaits and what ever they do natural is fine with me as long as it is comfortable. My Paso mare was wonderful but she was so unsound when I did trail with her she suffered for a week. My gelding that died was not as smooth as she was but he was sound till he died. I am so careful with shots, my vet said Spanish horses don't do shots well and he was right. He also was not the one that gave the shots. Sylvia **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
Re: [IceHorses] she needs a name
On 21/12/2007, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > and i hope you realize she needs a lot more than a name wanda, I dont > mean to scold you but have you considered she needs pink goggles and a > little snow suit??! shame on you that she has no pajamas. not even a > hair bow! Blink! I hadn't thought of that. I'm not accustomed to having a house dog. Where is a good place to buy dog clothes? Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Natural Tolter
In a message dated 12/21/2007 2:56:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Oh God I hope that is so, she just ran past me and tried to kick my head off. I drug dog panels out to the arena and blocked the spots where it is not a stud panel type that she was going to thru. I took off the halter before she hangs herself on something and tied everything down. I had a really easy time with my colt and he was an angel from Canada. Never been touched ever and came to me and was dead broke in three weeks. She is very upset. Sylvia **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
Re: [IceHorses] she needs a name
and i hope you realize she needs a lot more than a name wanda, I dont mean to scold you but have you considered she needs pink goggles and a little snow suit??! shame on you that she has no pajamas. not even a hair bow! Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] icelandic parelli?
On 12/21/07, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > watch. I am trying this parelli stuff with mine now and will try and > > get video! > > > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=NR8Jx05H4M8&feature=user > > > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=oKIfaJP3eZc&feature=user > if you view these videos and then click on "more from this user" she has lots, and some other parelli stuff. Someone said she was speaking norwegian? Someone asked what was so parelli about it, but I liked it because it is a normal person trying to do parelli, not a certified official parelli thing. I like to see normal every day people do things, somehow it helps me and inspires, like clicker training. I get so much more out of seeing it than reading it, and like this woman, she squats down when she does the "come here" part of the yoyo. On the parelli video linda is doing it and she sorta hunkers over. I noticed this woman is tall. Its just interesting to me to see the translations. Also the horse seems to be getting bored with it, but the woman seems still very focused and enjoying the work. Just interesting to see how others do things. Janice Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] she needs a name
petunia, petals, I like sapphire too, but its long... ginger, she looks like she has terrier in her, some yorkshire or maybe some schnauzer, she will be feisty! Lucy, desi, ruby Two, chachi, lula, turnip, florine. janice -- yipie tie yie yo
RE: [IceHorses] Natural Tolter
First of all, welcome to the list, Maria. I've been thinking about your question about how to determine if a horse is a "natural tolter" and maybe we should back up a bit. What is YOUR definition of "tolt"? Some people have WAY different definitions of the term. In my experience, MOST Icelandic's are naturally gaited...most, but not all. Icelandic's pretty much do the same range of gaits as any other gaited horse breed, but that will vary a lot from individual to individual. Some Icelandic's naturally foxtrot, some run walk, some saddle rack, some are very pacey, and some are three gaited (as in walk/trot and canter.) Some can do many of these gaits, while others have only a narrow range of gaits they can comfortably do. Ironically, I think VERY FEW (almost zero) Icelandics truly do a "natural tolt" at liberty if you mean the single-foot support show gait you usually see in pictures. Tolt is another word for rack, and I DO think that the saddle-rack (the two-foot-three-foot support variation) is fairly common in the breed. I've had gaited horses for almost 20 years, and I live in NC, where gaited horses are common. I love Icelandics better than any breed I've ever met (and I've met a lot and owned several breeds), but what make Icelandic's unique is not their gaits. Gaits are gaits, no matter what some people may try to tell you. Ironically, I see more running walk, saddle rack and foxtrot in this breed than I do "tolt". I am not apologizing either - I love all the soft gaits, and personally, my two favorites are foxtrot and running - and I'm thankful that both are plentiful in this breed. Both my 8 year-old daughter and I are going to begin lessons at Valhalla in January. The riding styles are completely different. Was it hard for you to adjust? Even though I've been thinking about your initial question since I first read it, this last statement really rang a bell. Please remember that you can ride an Icelandic any way that you want. Riding "styles" are a human contrivance. Horses can care less - they simply want to do what's fun and easy for them, and they basically want to get along with their humans. I don't know where Valhalla is - maybe you can tell us more...? But, if you take lessons somewhere where a "unique style" is important, the chances are slim that you will be able to easily determine what the horse's real-honest-to-God natural gaits really are. "Styles" are not natural to any horse, and they can unfortunately hide a lot of the natural tendencies and talents of the horse - while mimicking "talents" the horse may not really have. Before you start taking lessons in any "style", it would be good for you to sit down and think about what's important to YOU in a horse. Do you want to trail ride? Do you want a horse that a kid could also enjoy and maybe do some jumping with? Do you just want a horse to play around with in your backyard with, maybe dabbling in many different sports? Are you interested in natural horsemanship? All of these will come into play. As far as the subject of gaits alone, do you have Lee Ziegler's book, Easy-Gaited Horses? It's the best compilation of gait information you'll find anywhere. The woman and her father studied the biomechanics of gaits for 40-ish years before her death a couple of years ago. As I said before, gaits are gaits, so you don't need a "special" Icelandic book to learn about gaits. Again, welcome! Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1190 - Release Date: 12/19/2007 7:37 PM
Re: [IceHorses] she needs a name
Lucky you, she's adorable. How about Sabrina ?(the heiress movie, not the witch). B
Re: [IceHorses] she needs a name
On Dec 21, 2007 7:37 PM, Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Then the name Runa popped into my head > That's a lovely name. V
Re: [IceHorses] she needs a name
On 21/12/2007, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Sapphire. She looks like Ruby, only bigger.She's adorable! Funny, I was thinking she looked like a Ruby. Little Ruby Two Shoes... Either Ruby or Janice. ;) Then the name Runa popped into my head Wanda
RE: [IceHorses] she needs a name
>>> She's 7 weeks old and needs a name. Any ideas? Sapphire. She looks like Ruby, only bigger.She's adorable! Merry Christmas, Wanda! Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1190 - Release Date: 12/19/2007 7:37 PM
Re: [IceHorses] she needs a name
On Dec 21, 2007 7:26 PM, Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > She's 7 weeks old and needs a name. Any ideas? > Aww.how adorable! What breed is she? I'm terrible with names. V
Re: [IceHorses] Natural Tolter
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Switch from Paso to Icelandic is size and > temperament. > from them also. I should > have put him down the first day. It was awful. > Sylvia > I am so sorry to hear that Sylvia. That must have been awful. I did the same thing with my Beagle. I put her through MRI, back surgery (she was in a lot of pain) only to have to euthanize her in the end. I guess we feel we have to at least give them a chance. Though in hindsight, I should have put her down right away. My Peruvian mare is just 14.1 hands but I guess most Peruvians are a bit bigger. I am starting out like you did with an unsound one. They can be "high maintanence." Both my 8 year-old daughter and I are going to begin lessons at Valhalla in January. The riding styles are completely different. Was it hard for you to adjust? Maria Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [IceHorses] Natural Tolter
Merry Christmas, Sylvia. We need to see pictures, when she's settled in. Don't worry about her being a little wild. She's just had a really big adventure. I bought a Welsh cob filly at her birth and had her shipped here when she was weaned at five months. You can't get a big rig turned around in here, so I met the transport at the parking of a little country store about a mile from here. I was waiting there and could hear her squealing as the truck approached. I asked the driver if that was mine, and he said "Yup. She's been doing that for 100 miles." She had been shipped with another baby from the same farm and pretty much fell apart when they unloaded the other foal. She settled down really quickly and went on to be a nice driving horse. Nancvy
Re: [IceHorses] Natural Tolter
In a message dated 12/21/2007 1:37:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Switch from Paso to Icelandic is size and temperament. My gelding was my second horse of that breed. My mare was not sound so I bought him. When they gave him the shots he got really weird and went down in the rear and then went crazy it took three days of treatment with fluids and we put him down. The spinal fluid we took after that said meningitis. So the combo of those shots caused a bad reaction on him, other horses have died from them also. I should have put him down the first day. It was awful. Sylvia **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
Re: [IceHorses] Natural Tolter
In a message dated 12/21/2007 1:36:09 PM Pacific Standard Time, xuxawill I did have his growth plates checked and they were not closed at four. That is a good clue they are not full grown. They need time to finish growing. If she was on pasture, where and what was she eating? My Paso colt came off a pasture in Santa Rosa at 18 months, wild as a March hare and mostly never got over that wild tendency I gelded him at four. He grew right before my eyes after that and it was weird he got so tall. He was so beautiful. I have a funny for everyone, the pony on the Verizon comercial. Well she moved here. My filly came an hour ago and is wild. She tried to get out of the arena so we moved her to the stud pens, and wants to bite me big time. Nip nip nip.. I will let her settle in before I get on her about this. She is my Christmas present by the way. Sylvia **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
RE: [IceHorses] icelandic parelli?
>>> Please let me know when you find more Icelandic + Parelli videos so that I >>> can link them to the website! I'd love to see some from our own Penny Hodge... :) Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1190 - Release Date: 12/19/2007 7:37 PM
Re: [IceHorses] icelandic parelli?
> watch. I am trying this parelli stuff with mine now and will try and > get video! > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=NR8Jx05H4M8&feature=user > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=oKIfaJP3eZc&feature=user This is very progressive! and much better for the horse than previously, which might have included harsher stuff or the horse and rider not even learning a sidepass on the ground or under saddle. Please let me know when you find more Icelandic + Parelli videos so that I can link them to the website! Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Natural Tolter
On 21/12/2007, Xuxa'smom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Wanda, > > Thanks for the great advice! So I really want to watch the horse gait at > liberty then. Let me seeif I were looking for a horse, I'd want to see it do some nice running walkor some of the 'soft' gaits. I wouldn't want to see any paciness at liberty. I'd want my horse to have a good trot as well. A nice trot will help to keep their back healthy between the gaiting parts... Somewhere I have a video of my daughter and I starting her gelding last winter. He slid into a nice 'gait' almost immediately. He was young and green but you could still tell there was lots of gait in there just waiting to bubble out. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Natural Tolter
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:16:08 -0800 (PST), you wrote: >I think the advice about giving her time off is very >good It will take much longer for the affected joints to fuse if you give her time off. Light, daily exercise (say 20 minutes walk, maybe a little gait/trot/whatever if she's comfortable, no lunging or reallly tight circles) with painkillers if necessary is what really works. all the best Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] Natural Tolter
[moderator's note: please use email list netiquette when posting to the list, by deleting the previous post from the bottom, or only quoting a line from the previous post and putting your response below that quote; and using plain text format; thanks] Hi Wanda, Thanks for the great advice! So I really want to watch the horse gait at liberty then. Yes, Peruvians are still lunged around that pole. Mine had the foreshortened stride before I got her but as her training progressed it got better and then worse. Your Peruvian actually died from the vaccination? I never heard of that before what happened? I am wondering why you switched from Peruvians to Icelandics? Thanks again. Maria
Re: [IceHorses] Natural Tolter
. > I agree with Mic and this > horse could be fine next year. > If you don't want to wait you can send her to me, > hahahaha. Sylvia > Hi Sylvia, Thank you for sharing your experiences. Wow! FIfteen hands is big for a Peruvian. I think the advice about giving her time off is very good. They start these horses at 3. I waited until she was almost 4. But the bone scan showed her growth plates were still open so she is still growing. I have put almost 8 months of training on her. I hope she doesn't forget completely. BTW, why did you switch to an Icelandic. Just curious because that is what I am doing. Maria
[IceHorses] A Tosca Report
Bev, Tosca's trainer, went to Hawaii for Thanksgiving, arrived back home with a terrible case of the flu and between that and Christmas, just did find time to ride Tosca again yesterday. Since I am payinfg her by the ride, that wasn't a real problem. It's so funny. She says it is so much fun that she was singing aloud and laughing as she jumped her over puddles. I wasn't sure how thrilled I was about the jumping. I prefer plodding on through, but I think it's a kick that Bev (Arab breeder) is having so much fun riding an Icelandic. Bev and her husband were at a party last night and she apparently was telling our mutual friend Annette how much fun Tosca is, so Annette wants to come out and ride her. The funny thing, is that Annette is a near- perfect "Betty". She is 50ish, works for the Bureau of Land Management, is a very outdoor sort of a person. She and her husband are ride and tie enthusiasts, but she recently sold her Arab gelding because she has been diagnosed with Rheumatoid Arthritis and has enough pain that she has a really hard time riding a trotting horse and getting on and off a regular-sized horse. Now doesn't she just sound like the sort of person who woud enjoy an Icelandic? Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] OT picture of me and HAZEL
In a message dated 12/21/2007 11:33:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Mules are really big here, There are several people that I know have big mules like Hazel. One was a show mule, I used to ride with her trainer on my QH mare while she was in training. Then a lady here is called the mule lady, she is a realtor for Century 21 and has her mules in competition and goes all over to pull and do what ever. Then I know a man that moved away after his knee surgery that was into mule shows and trialing. They were all big nice mules with great conformation and good temperaments. Big, big girls. Now personally I could not get up on anything that tall anymore. The older I get the more I like a pony. Bia, she is one beautiful mule and I hope you have many years with her as your partner and friend. Sylvia **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
Re: [IceHorses] Natural Tolter
Hi Mic, The vet did not x-ray during the pre-purchase. It was out of state so I was not there but it was just a physical exam. In hidnsight, she had the symptoms when I bought her. I just thought she needed conditioning and was prefering her right side over her left. I wish I could say it was all bad luck but a lot of it was my ignorance. I do love her though. She is so sweet. I was able to ride her on trail after only being in bosal one month, She has never spooked ( other than to take a double step on a few occasions) . She will come up to me and put her head on my shoulder and just stand there. I really hope I can help her. Regardless, she is my responsibility, and she will have a good life with us for however long she lives. Maria
Re: Re: [IceHorses] OT picture of me and HAZEL
On Dec 21, 2007 4:51 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > my gosh bia, shes glorious! and you look great together :) I agree. I don't think anyone rides a mule around this area. Can donkeys be ridden? I saw these sweeties for sale on Atlantic Rider -- they look like bunnies. (Hope the link works) http://classifieds.atlanticrider.com/cgi-bin/classifieds.cgi?session_key=&search_and_display_db_button=on&db_id=73570&query=retrieval V
Re: [IceHorses] Natural Tolter
On 21/12/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was into Peruvian Paso horses until my horse died from the West Nile virus > shots. If I remember right they are circled in a tiny area around a pole to > make them gait. Do they still do this practice? That was my thought, if a horse was fine going into training...and then something happened during that time, I would begin to question the type of training used. Too much too soon? Anyway, if you're looking for a naturally gaited horse, you want to buy a horse that gaits without 25 lbs of pressure on the reins. You want to see him/her very relaxed while they're gaiting... You want to buy a horse that's barefoot, then you know that the horse you're buying has not been 'balanced' by some inventive farrier. Some farms shoe for protection, but I know a few shoe to improve gait. How many times have we heard that a horse doesn't tolt after he has his shoes removed? Wanda Maybe she needs time to > heal and get stronger before she trains for that type of gait. If she was not > trained this way for get what I said about the pole but maybe she is just not > ready to ride. I didn't get my horse ready to ride until he was way past four > because he was still growing. My horse was big and looked Andalusian not Paso > over 15 hh. The cycle hock is a problem in its self, my horse was not. But > he also did not have a huge amount of turmino either, so perfect for trail. I > am sorry you are having this problem with your mare. I agree with Mic and this > horse could be fine next year. > If you don't want to wait you can send her to me, hahahaha. Sylvia > > > > > > **See AOL's top rated recipes > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) > > > IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses > > "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, > contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and > unrealistic." > > "All truth passes through three stages. > First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. > Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer > > > [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com > [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com > [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo > [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > -- Wanda Saskatchewan Canada
RE: Re: [IceHorses] OT picture of me and HAZEL
my gosh bia, shes glorious! and you look great together :) Janice Thanks Janice!!!
Re: [IceHorses] Natural Tolter
In a message dated 12/21/2007 8:28:07 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) . I was into Peruvian Paso horses until my horse died from the West Nile virus shots. If I remember right they are circled in a tiny area around a pole to make them gait. Do they still do this practice? Maybe she needs time to heal and get stronger before she trains for that type of gait. If she was not trained this way for get what I said about the pole but maybe she is just not ready to ride. I didn't get my horse ready to ride until he was way past four because he was still growing. My horse was big and looked Andalusian not Paso over 15 hh. The cycle hock is a problem in its self, my horse was not. But he also did not have a huge amount of turmino either, so perfect for trail. I am sorry you are having this problem with your mare. I agree with Mic and this horse could be fine next year. If you don't want to wait you can send her to me, hahahaha. Sylvia **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
Re: [IceHorses] TTEAM method-Robyn
> By golly, she wasn't kidding, and it wasn't just a Christmas/sugar > delusion http://tinyurl.com/3cf4pz i actually bought it for you and forgot to give it to you at the Liz clinic haha! i will bring one next time i come ! The only problem is it doesnt have a strap and you have to make one and none I make seem to go with the pink ribbon and glitter... Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] OT picture of me and HAZEL
my gosh bia, shes glorious! and you look great together :) Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] O T Question
--- Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > not really relevant maybe, but made me think of my > friend bryan who > believes horses can see ghosts and spirits. << This is very interesting as I had a friend and her husband who could see ghosts. They have since moved out of state, but Jackie could see ghosts in the hospital, and Bill was an ex-high school rodeo competitor and used to come over and ride my mother's 1st horse, Reno. Reno was the horse I thought was destined to either kill my mother or put her in a nursing home with a broken body! When he rode Reno and Reno would spook at nothing, Bill would say Reno was seeing spirits, because Bill could see them, too. Bill also did past life readings using his "spirit guide". He did both mother and me. Do I believe? Let's say I don't discount it! Susan in NV Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Disclaimer CAUTION: DO NOT DRIVE WITH HOT COFFEE IN YOUR LAP Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [IceHorses] Natural Tolter
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 07:21:41 -0800 (PST), you wrote: >my mare's x-rays were normal If the x-rays were normal (and assuming they x-rayed the joints from all the angles they needed to, and the vet was used to interpreting x-rays) then it sounds like you just got really unlucky and your mare didn't have spavin at the time of the x-rays, but then developed it. Bummer. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] Natural Tolter
Thank you for the advice, Michelle, I am not sure which joints are involved. I hope they will fuse over time as you say. That would be wonderful. The reason I did not get an Icelandic at first was because of the spavin. I decided to take a chance with DSLD. When I get an Icelandic, I will definately test for spavin. If it is blind or occult spavin like my mare has, I wonder how one would tell? My horse passed the first vet check. She must have passed a flex test or the vet is clueless and did not even do one. Without spending thousands on pre-purchase tests, how can one be sure? Do ultrasounds show spavin? As I said, my mare's x-rays were normal/ Maria Moderator's note: please set your computer to plain text and delete the message you are replying to except for two or three relevent lines. Then put your reply BELOW the text you have left. Thank you!
Re: [IceHorses] Natural Tolter
Hi Wanda, Thank you for the welcome. Yes, it was quite a shock. I was rather stupid just having gotten back into horses over the last 2 years. She had this"hitch" before I bought her. I just thought she preferred her right side over her left and with training it would all work out. She passed the vet check and everything. She had been in pasture all her life and did not begin any training until I brought her to California and started her when she was 3.5 years old. She is fine at the walk It is when she begins to gait that she gets the the foreshortened stride on her left side. It seemed to get better with conditioning and then last month it got worse. I felt as if I was riding a Clydesdale. Took her to the vet. A bone scan revealed "hot spots" on her left hock, front feet and to a lesser extent, her left stifle. Her x-rays were normal. When the vet injected anesthetic into her left hock her gait improved significantly. She is sickle hocked which is seen in Peruvians though not a good thing for soundness. I can email you a photo. I appreciate your sharing your thoughts about my question. Thank you Maria - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
Re: [IceHorses] O T Question
not really relevant maybe, but made me think of my friend bryan who believes horses can see ghosts and spirits. He has me convinced I'm afraid. He lives in a house his granpa lived in. His granpa was ninety and hit by a car as he walked to the mail box out front. Bryan breaks horses by riding them their first several times in a pasture area that has one corner just a few feet on the other side of a fence where bryans granpa died. He said no horses will go near that corner without a fight and he believes "the old man is standing there by the mail box and it makes the horses nervous". I always sorta laughed at that but since then I have ridden several horses in that field and not ONE of them would go near that corner and I am not a good enough horse person to make them. Even my Jaspar who will pretty much go anywhere is downright comical in that pasture, he will go all the way around and when he gets to the corner he will just veer, like he hopes I dont notice he wont go near the corner. The first time I rode fox and he reared with me and nearly flipped was because I was trying to get him to continue toward that corner. What can it be besides a ghost?? There is nothing different about that corner. That whole end of the pasture fronts the dirt road. it just baffles me. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Dagur really embarrased me today
> Worm size > Susan in NV HAHAHAHA! a little skink size shock collar. I sure am glad my hubbys not so computer literate... Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] dapples
On 12/20/07, Lorraine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > ThanksI try. Or were you talking about Dagur? > > > > Wanda > > > > Both. LOL > > Lorraine > and by the way lorraine, if you think dagur is embarassing you oughta go somewhere with my guys for a day. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
RE: [IceHorses] TTEAM method-Robyn
> BTW, I have to hand it to you for sticking with > Dagur. I understand you > didn't intend to buy a horse that needs training, > but kudos to you for > taking the time to try to figure him out and for > getting good help with him. > Thanks alot. Means alot Lorraine Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
[IceHorses] Richard- Unusual Markings
Wellnow! Hum, not sure what I would do if this was my horse. HA! Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures. <>
Re: [IceHorses] TTEAM method-Robyn
Kudos to Lorraine. I agree with Karen. Sometimes these "problem" horses have just the spark that it takes to make them great Nancy
RE: [IceHorses] TTEAM method-Robyn
>>> Then I will have to get blue. That reminds me of kindergarden after nap time. One kid would get picked to take the wand and tap the others on the head to get up. I never got too. BooLorraine I think it's time that you right that old injustice, then Lorraine. :) BTW, I have to hand it to you for sticking with Dagur. I understand you didn't intend to buy a horse that needs training, but kudos to you for taking the time to try to figure him out and for getting good help with him. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1191 - Release Date: 12/20/2007 2:14 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Natural Tolter
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:20:05 -0600, you wrote: >A four year old with spavin? My...that's awfully >young to have spavin. If it's in the lower-mobility joints and you can keep her moving (possibly with medication if it hurts her to move) with at least 20 minutes a day of exercise, you may well find it will fuse really quickly - she could be sound this time next year, and then lead a useful life as a normal riding horse. I've had that happen with one of mine and know of several others. Good luck with her. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
