Re: [MBZ] Dis B Yo Nu Ride
Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/car/753385117.html Odd that the photos show snow on the ground -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Timing chain problem
Do I have this right? 1. Take out the valve lifters. 2. Set the crankshaft on zero (TDC on number one cylinder). 3. Set the valve shaft on the notch with number one cylinders cam lobes sticking straight up. 4. Pull the chain tight over the camshaft sprocket and check the chain notch and crankshaft on zero setting again. 5. Feed the new chain into the engine, wire both ends onto the camshaft sprocket ,and then put in the master link and take off wires. 6. Put the chain tensioner and spring back in the engine. 7. Turn the engine to zero on the crankshaft. The camshaft should be on the notch. 8. Set the crankshaft on 25-27 degrees before zero (top dead center) with the cam lobes on number one cylinder sticking up. 9. Take out the injector pump according to the CD, set the alignment marks as instructed, and put it back in the engine in the same position while leaving it loose enough to turn. 10. Time the injector pump with the drip tube according to instructions on the CD. 11. Put the valve lifters back in the engine and torque to specifications. Put valve cover on, etc. 12. Try starting the engine (with fingers crossed.). 13. If it doesn't run right, take it to the Indy and get it timed electronically. Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] question for people who know about music - still no MB content
As a HS student I thought I was pretty good with a horn, but I discovered that I was a big fish in a very small pond when we got a new band director. His sons, just over college age, were required to play the entire Arban's in order to pass HS band under him [thankfully the rest of us were not so challenged]. Trumpet playing son took a summer job as lead trumpet for Woody Herman, after being lead in the Navy Swing band and starting out as 1st chair in the 1:00 lab band at North Texas State - at that time probably the best band school in the US. His dad said he could hit a high 'C' on a trumpet suspended on a string - amazing breath control. I sat with him, barely able to follow the music, while he was playing some Dizzy Gillespie charts; trombone playing son was almost as good. Their HS band director dad had played lead trombone with Barnum and Bailey back when they had a travelling band, still spent summers playing lead trombone for Jackie Gleason, and was friends with JJ Johnson and Herbie Green and such as that. Last I saw them one son was working in a convenience store and the other was a chain smoking overweight trumpet player, and also starting to drink. He was still [or again] with Woody Herman, and had a split in his lip you could put a dime in and still had to play every night. That convinced me that even if I were very good [I wasn't] and even had some top connections [I didn't] it was not likely I'd ever get anywhere in the business. After that I just enjoyed playing in HS and college, but just for the fun of it. That is not a business for very many people. You hear a lot about how few HS and college athletes ever make it big, but I bet there are more music students with some dreams and even a smaller number who are able make a living at it, with skills being even less a factor than in sports. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Luther Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 1:13 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] question for people who know about music Wow. That's wa cool. Mine is only a few years from being a much coveted Mt. Vernon, NY model. I'm in the market for a new horn. I'm shopping euphoniums. A good compensating that I can cover most any tuba music in small ensemble work. Luther -Original Message- From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 11:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] question for people who know about music The original post I responded to stated that a 9' herald trumpet was 3x the length of a regular trumpet. This is incorrect. The only 3x I remember was mine, trying to state that a heraldic trumpet was around 3x the linear dimension of a regular one since the two major turns were omitted. My axe is a 60's Benge with a custom 6 Martin bell. It was a prototype for a series of which Martin supposedly only made 24, and was once owned by Mic Gilette of Tower of Power. Supposedly the exact horn he played when recording the Flintstones' theme music. The big bell was for more back sound so you could hear yourself over the guitars. My brother has one of the 24. It's much bigger bore than mine, and is like trying to fill a baritone. We went to high school with Mic's brother in law. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] question for people who know about music
but you still needed valves to play, which means y'all sucked in my book On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 12:01 AM, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, I don't own a tuba, but I'm sure I can play as well as you. I wasn't all state in HS and on scholarship in college for nothing :) Luther -Original Message- From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 10:24 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] question for people who know about music Gotcha all beat in length -- I was a music major / tuba proficiency. Luther just played a puny trumpet as his major instrument. Don (Senior recital included playing Bach cello concertos on tuba) On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 10:17 PM, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The original post I responded to stated that a 9' herald trumpet was 3x the length of a regular trumpet. This is incorrect. A trombone is 9' in length, or double the length of a trumpet. Nearly everything a herald trumpet plays is in the very top register this is why it is so challenging for Hursty to play. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] .. about music - he made it; still no MB content
Decided to try and track Gary down via the internet. Glad to see he did make it, and I'd bet all of us have heard him judging from his motion picture credits. Nothing on his brother, though. Their sister was as good on the Bassoon, but I don't know her married name. http://cdbaby.com/cd/garygrant BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill R Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 8:15 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] question for people who know about music - still no MB content As a HS student I thought I was pretty good with a horn, but I discovered that I was a big fish in a very small pond when we got a new band director. His sons, just over college age, were required to play the entire Arban's in order to pass HS band under him [thankfully the rest of us were not so challenged]. Trumpet playing son took a summer job as lead trumpet for Woody Herman, after being lead in the Navy Swing band and starting out as 1st chair in the 1:00 lab band at North Texas State - at that time probably the best band school in the US. His dad said he could hit a high 'C' on a trumpet suspended on a string - amazing breath control. I sat with him, barely able to follow the music, while he was playing some Dizzy Gillespie charts; trombone playing son was almost as good. Their HS band director dad had played lead trombone with Barnum and Bailey back when they had a travelling band, still spent summers playing lead trombone for Jackie Gleason, and was friends with JJ Johnson and Herbie Green and such as that. Last I saw them one son was working in a convenience store and the other was a chain smoking overweight trumpet player, and also starting to drink. He was still [or again] with Woody Herman, and had a split in his lip you could put a dime in and still had to play every night. That convinced me that even if I were very good [I wasn't] and even had some top connections [I didn't] it was not likely I'd ever get anywhere in the business. After that I just enjoyed playing in HS and college, but just for the fun of it. That is not a business for very many people. You hear a lot about how few HS and college athletes ever make it big, but I bet there are more music students with some dreams and even a smaller number who are able make a living at it, with skills being even less a factor than in sports. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Luther Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 1:13 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] question for people who know about music Wow. That's wa cool. Mine is only a few years from being a much coveted Mt. Vernon, NY model. I'm in the market for a new horn. I'm shopping euphoniums. A good compensating that I can cover most any tuba music in small ensemble work. Luther -Original Message- From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 11:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] question for people who know about music The original post I responded to stated that a 9' herald trumpet was 3x the length of a regular trumpet. This is incorrect. The only 3x I remember was mine, trying to state that a heraldic trumpet was around 3x the linear dimension of a regular one since the two major turns were omitted. My axe is a 60's Benge with a custom 6 Martin bell. It was a prototype for a series of which Martin supposedly only made 24, and was once owned by Mic Gilette of Tower of Power. Supposedly the exact horn he played when recording the Flintstones' theme music. The big bell was for more back sound so you could hear yourself over the guitars. My brother has one of the 24. It's much bigger bore than mine, and is like trying to fill a baritone. We went to high school with Mic's brother in law. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] OT Volvos was re: Re: Bought a 190D turbo without
Tyler wrote: I know you didn't ask me, but what are you wondering about it? I've owned over 20 Volvos, and always did all of the work myself A 1991 240 is a very good car. By that time Volvo had been making the 240 for 16 years, and had pretty much worked out all of the design flaws. If maintained properly it will last a lifetime but it is a low-tech car for the 90s with a solid axle, a lot of road noise, etc. I will take information from anyone with knowledge. I was just wondering if they were decent cars and if there was any particular areas of concern I should look out for. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] went and looked at the Cheap 300D
I looked at this car this weekend. I had high hopes, it looked decent and the seller previously sent me interior photos. HOWEVER, it was complete TURD. The jack points were not just rusted, the rust had made its way through the frame rail. On the driver's side, you can see a hole about the size of a large coffee can in the fender and you can see what remains of the frame rail. That car is going to break apart. http://wichita.craigslist.org/car/745421399.html Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300td deerslayer
New grille assembly complete $130 New radiator $233 --Original Message-- From: Rick Hawkins Java Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com ReplyTo: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Jul 13, 2008 3:40 AM Subject: [MBZ] 300td deerslayer Folks, My 1982 300TD and i met a deer, essentially in downtown Washington, Georgia. It was about dusk. It took out the headlight doors (surrounds), the grill, bowed the a/c condensor and pressed the radiator into the fan. And knocked the belt off the p. steering too. I was only going maybe 30 or 40 mph if that. The large doe, i think, did a flip and hopefully died in the ditch. I turned up a dead end side road and there was a georgia state patrol man hiding. He was friendly and amazed when he realized that i was going to pull everything out and continue on my trip. He even gave me a hand and pulled on the bent radiator support with me Anyway, I pulled it out and the holes in the radiator were only about 1/3 of the way down, so i was able to make Tybee Island with a number of water fillups. It was a nite trip so it was fairly cool. No overheating. So, here's what i need. Grill complete from 300D (decent looking with installation bolts if possible most important I need a radiator for 1982 300TD (i assume the 300D is the same) mine is a behr and has oil cooler (removable on the side ) and transmission lines attach to the bottom please contact me off list [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you have any of this thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins www.javaphoto.com www.javacycles.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Be Careful Voting this year!
'Same goes for leaders I've seen in USAF, too. Wilton - Original Message - From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 11:47 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Be Careful Voting this year! My suggestion is to go listen to the man (and perhaps try to shake hands with him and exchange a few words) when he comes through on a campaign swing. Do the same with McCain. Then decide. It is impossible to quantify what will or will not make someone a good President. I think it boils down to the personality and natural skills of the individual. Some of our best Presidents seem to have come from the most unusual backgrounds. Some of our worst (i.e., Nixon) were career politicians. The best officer I served under in 20 years was a CWO4 -- no college, no management training, nothing but time in service and the force of his own personality and soft-spoken ways. He could make a decision and 99% of the time he made the correct call. When he retired, our enlisted crew took up a collection of over $1000 (a crew of less than 50 guys) to buy his retirement presents as a token of how much we hated to see him go. He was tough and ripped several of us a new one (including me occasionally, since I was a supervisor) but he was a good leader who we loved and respected. Some of the worst officers with whom I served were well educated (USCG Academy, then an MBA and then some additional post grad education, Navy War College, etc., and had commanded vessels at sea -- big ones at a senior level in their career) and had just as much time in service and experience as the CWO4. But you PRAYED for these folks to retire and get out of your life. They had the leadership ability of a mentally challenged slug. The CEO at my office has less education than I have -- he has but *one*Bachelor's degree. However, his personality and his natural leadership ability (something I sorely lack) has grown us into one of the largest and most respected corporations of our kind in Iowa, and perhaps in the mid-west. Folks are going to say that Obama is all rhetoric. That isn't the case. It is all about leadership qualities and the ability to efficiently manage those working with you. Organizational skills are important, and I think he has demonstrated those from time to time. Good leadership isn't something you learn or get from years working in the government. It is something you either have or don't have. I think Obama has it. Not sure yet about McCain - he might or he might not. On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again, what exactly qualifies this guy to be president? Would you hire him to be CEO of General Motors, Continental Airlines, Exxon Mobil, IBM, Microsoft, all these comparatively small operations? I'm still trying to figure it out. --R Wonko the Sane wrote: Careful how you talk about your next President. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Update on the no idle 603
Turns out there is a hole in the bottom of the IP. I imagine the governor and/or a plunger is ruined... so he's looking for a used ip. Anybody have one for sale? John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Update on the no idle 603
OK, I guess I missed it. Whats the story on this? I might have one laying around. Turns out there is a hole in the bottom of the IP. I imagine the governor and/or a plunger is ruined... so he's looking for a used ip. Anybody have one for sale? John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300td deerslayer
I also sent him prices for used, but then he posted to the list so I guess he didnt want them. Problem is, somebody else could come along at any moment and need said parts and they will be sold by the time this guy decides to order. New grille assembly complete $130 New radiator $233 --Original Message-- From: Rick Hawkins Java Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com ReplyTo: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Jul 13, 2008 3:40 AM Subject: [MBZ] 300td deerslayer Folks, My 1982 300TD and i met a deer, essentially in downtown Washington, Georgia. It was about dusk. It took out the headlight doors (surrounds), the grill, bowed the a/c condensor and pressed the radiator into the fan. And knocked the belt off the p. steering too. I was only going maybe 30 or 40 mph if that. The large doe, i think, did a flip and hopefully died in the ditch. I turned up a dead end side road and there was a georgia state patrol man hiding. He was friendly and amazed when he realized that i was going to pull everything out and continue on my trip. He even gave me a hand and pulled on the bent radiator support with me Anyway, I pulled it out and the holes in the radiator were only about 1/3 of the way down, so i was able to make Tybee Island with a number of water fillups. It was a nite trip so it was fairly cool. No overheating. So, here's what i need. Grill complete from 300D (decent looking with installation bolts if possible most important I need a radiator for 1982 300TD (i assume the 300D is the same) mine is a behr and has oil cooler (removable on the side ) and transmission lines attach to the bottom please contact me off list [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you have any of this thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins www.javaphoto.com www.javacycles.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Be Careful Voting this year!
I appreciate your taking the time to actually answer the question. Not that I find the answer compelling but it is one of two I have actually received that show at least a bit of thought, and I have asked several people. --R Wonko the Sane wrote: My suggestion is to go listen to the man (and perhaps try to shake hands with him and exchange a few words) when he comes through on a campaign swing. Do the same with McCain. Then decide. It is impossible to quantify what will or will not make someone a good President. I think it boils down to the personality and natural skills of the individual. Some of our best Presidents seem to have come from the most unusual backgrounds. Some of our worst (i.e., Nixon) were career politicians. The best officer I served under in 20 years was a CWO4 -- no college, no management training, nothing but time in service and the force of his own personality and soft-spoken ways. He could make a decision and 99% of the time he made the correct call. When he retired, our enlisted crew took up a collection of over $1000 (a crew of less than 50 guys) to buy his retirement presents as a token of how much we hated to see him go. He was tough and ripped several of us a new one (including me occasionally, since I was a supervisor) but he was a good leader who we loved and respected. Some of the worst officers with whom I served were well educated (USCG Academy, then an MBA and then some additional post grad education, Navy War College, etc., and had commanded vessels at sea -- big ones at a senior level in their career) and had just as much time in service and experience as the CWO4. But you PRAYED for these folks to retire and get out of your life. They had the leadership ability of a mentally challenged slug. The CEO at my office has less education than I have -- he has but *one*Bachelor's degree. However, his personality and his natural leadership ability (something I sorely lack) has grown us into one of the largest and most respected corporations of our kind in Iowa, and perhaps in the mid-west. Folks are going to say that Obama is all rhetoric. That isn't the case. It is all about leadership qualities and the ability to efficiently manage those working with you. Organizational skills are important, and I think he has demonstrated those from time to time. Good leadership isn't something you learn or get from years working in the government. It is something you either have or don't have. I think Obama has it. Not sure yet about McCain - he might or he might not. On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again, what exactly qualifies this guy to be president? Would you hire him to be CEO of General Motors, Continental Airlines, Exxon Mobil, IBM, Microsoft, all these comparatively small operations? I'm still trying to figure it out. --R Wonko the Sane wrote: Careful how you talk about your next President. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Update on the no idle 603
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I guess I missed it. Whats the story on this? I might have one laying around. Here's the original post: A friend's parents have a 300SDL that won't idle. The car will run fine down the road, but you have to apply throttle to keep it running at idle. If you take your foot off of the throttle at idle it will drop below idle, surge above idle, then shut off. There is no smoke, and the onset of the problem was fairly sudden. The delivery valves are leaking a little bit. My thoughts are fuel filters - delivery valves - bad injection pump governor. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Compost
OK, but is there any real danger of being affectionate with a couple indoor cats? On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 9:45 PM, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Grandad had a garden that used composted waste. He had a little outdoor privy with a half whiskey barrel for solids and a hay pile for liquids. The solids were covered with sawdust after each use and stirred once a week. The hay was mostly to absorb the Olympia beer he kept by the multicase in the shed after passing it. When the stink got too bad he would empty and turn the two together in a pile of dirt, let it sit for a few weeks until he had more to add, and use it all to amend the soil after the harvest. The plant matter was tossed in a wire bin, mixed with left over young waste for starting up the pile again in the spring. clay BTW-- the food he grew was really tasty until I was old enough to get drug into his compost scheme as a tween. On 11 Jul 2008, at 13:52, Curt Raymond wrote: The wood will suck up the nitrogen at first but as it breaks down it'll release it all again. Notice I said to use PINE and notice I said it'd take a year. It'll be super high quality compost at the end. I've used loads of sawdust in my compost during the summer when I could get it for the asking and leaves were months away. The sawdust keeps the food waste from smelling bad very effectively. If you're in a hurry a cup of high nitrogen fertilizer accelerates the process very nicely. So does peeing on the pile although I'm guessing that'd be undesireable in front of LT Don's office. I know of a guy who composts almost stricktly with urine and pine sawdust. Makes some very nice high quality sawdust. Theres also the whole humanure movement that uses sawdust primarily. I compost EVERYTHING and some book learned composters recoil at my use of meat, milk and bread. I figure it'll all break down in the normal way of things. I let it sit for a year before use so its well aged. Any pathogens get killed when the pile is 160F... -Curt --- On Fri, 7/11/08, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT Compost To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Friday, July 11, 2008, 4:47 PM You don't want to use wood chips or sawdust in your compost as these suck huge amounts of (I think) nitrogen from the other stuff to decompose, and leave the compost unbalanced. This I learned from a Master Gardener who recoiled in horror when I proposed using the waste from my woodworking in the bin. Also do not use sawdust for mulch as it has the same effect on whatever it is mulching. Best mix is the coffee grounds (Starbucks will give you big bags for free), a mix of brown (leaves) and green (grass clippings), and all your kitchen fruit and veggie scraps, keep it moist (not wet) and stir it occasionally to keep air in there for the aerobic critters to do their work. I hauled about 200lb of the stuff from Houston to SC in my truck, it is happily roasting out back with more new local stuff. --R Curt Raymond wrote: Potting soil is a waste, make compost in it. Get a bag of pine mulch, put about a 1 inch layer of it across the bottom. Put all your coffee grounds and any food waste in it. Put a plastic tarp over the top to keep the critters out. Every day at the end of the day cover the food waste with 1-2 of pine mulch. You'll need a couple bags of mulch but its pretty cheap. What you'll create in a year will be WAY better than any potting soil you could buy. If you had a source of free sawdust you could use that. You could also use shredded paper but add a lot more of it. In fact you could fill the thing with shredded paper and then bury your food waste (don't forget coffee grounds!) in it. That'll settle fast, you'll need to add lots more paper. Tell your boss its an environmental statement, maybe you can get funding for it. Starbucks will give you coffee grounds for free... A good Starbucks should fill the thing in a few days. Coffee grounds will grow roses like you wouldn't believe. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe
[MBZ] OT:truck for Canfield
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Re: [MBZ] Update on the no idle 603
OK, now I remember. Will check to see if I have one when I get home. I think I have one I was keeping as a spare just in case. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I guess I missed it. Whats the story on this? I might have one laying around. Here's the original post: A friend's parents have a 300SDL that won't idle. The car will run fine down the road, but you have to apply throttle to keep it running at idle. If you take your foot off of the throttle at idle it will drop below idle, surge above idle, then shut off. There is no smoke, and the onset of the problem was fairly sudden. The delivery valves are leaking a little bit. My thoughts are fuel filters - delivery valves - bad injection pump governor. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Update on the no idle 603
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, now I remember. Will check to see if I have one when I get home. I think I have one I was keeping as a spare just in case. Sounds good. Do you happen to have any bad ones you want to get rid of? I'm looking for parts for an eventual SuperTurbo project. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] the great dick van patten strikes again! (dog food offtopic)
where do you live again? On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 11:00 PM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was driving up our driveway a coupla days ago and through the trees across the drive in front of the truck flies this HUGE thing about 10ft off the ground and landed on a limb about 50ft away. Stopped to look at it, was about 18-20 tall on that limb. Looked through the bird book last night and I think it might have been a juvenile bald eagle, best I could tell from the coloring. I have noticed lots of tasty squirrels around, one fell about 40ft out of a tree the other morning and thumped down, was walking a bit funny after that adventure. I bet that bird has plenty o' snackies, whatever it was. --R Redghost wrote: In the meanwhile I shall continue my war against the squirrels inhabiting his trees. These fuzzy guerillas commit commando raids on my coop and gobble up food. I have yet to have a verified kill, but the pellets do cause them to think about further raids. Might need to contact the Colombians about taking out these little FARC rats. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] question for people who know about music - still no MB content
I just enjoyed playing in HS and college, but just for the fun of it. That is not a business for very many people. You hear a lot about how few HS and college athletes ever make it big, but I bet there are more music students with some dreams and even a smaller number who are able make a living at it, with skills being even less a factor than in sports. Yeah, best to have a day job! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Update on the no idle 603
I dont recall have any bad ones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, now I remember. Will check to see if I have one when I get home. I think I have one I was keeping as a spare just in case. Sounds good. Do you happen to have any bad ones you want to get rid of? I'm looking for parts for an eventual SuperTurbo project. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Update on the no idle 603
John, I have an entire 300SDL that you can buy it had a transmission rebuild less than 2 years ago. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Robbins Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 9:36 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Update on the no idle 603 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, now I remember. Will check to see if I have one when I get home. I think I have one I was keeping as a spare just in case. Sounds good. Do you happen to have any bad ones you want to get rid of? I'm looking for parts for an eventual SuperTurbo project. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.4.10/1550 - Release Date: 7/13/2008 5:58 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.4.10/1550 - Release Date: 7/13/2008 5:58 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300td deerslayer
I also have said parts, plus my blue wagon if he wants a new car. On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:19 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also sent him prices for used, but then he posted to the list so I guess he didnt want them. Problem is, somebody else could come along at any moment and need said parts and they will be sold by the time this guy decides to order. New grille assembly complete $130 New radiator $233 --Original Message-- From: Rick Hawkins Java Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com ReplyTo: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Jul 13, 2008 3:40 AM Subject: [MBZ] 300td deerslayer Folks, My 1982 300TD and i met a deer, essentially in downtown Washington, Georgia. It was about dusk. It took out the headlight doors (surrounds), the grill, bowed the a/c condensor and pressed the radiator into the fan. And knocked the belt off the p. steering too. I was only going maybe 30 or 40 mph if that. The large doe, i think, did a flip and hopefully died in the ditch. I turned up a dead end side road and there was a georgia state patrol man hiding. He was friendly and amazed when he realized that i was going to pull everything out and continue on my trip. He even gave me a hand and pulled on the bent radiator support with me Anyway, I pulled it out and the holes in the radiator were only about 1/3 of the way down, so i was able to make Tybee Island with a number of water fillups. It was a nite trip so it was fairly cool. No overheating. So, here's what i need. Grill complete from 300D (decent looking with installation bolts if possible most important I need a radiator for 1982 300TD (i assume the 300D is the same) mine is a behr and has oil cooler (removable on the side ) and transmission lines attach to the bottom please contact me off list [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you have any of this thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins www.javaphoto.com www.javacycles.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Sent from my BlackBerry(R) wireless handheld ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Be Careful Voting this year!
JFK was also a junior senator and several younger than Obama and no one questions his leadership abilities. On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:21 AM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I appreciate your taking the time to actually answer the question. Not that I find the answer compelling but it is one of two I have actually received that show at least a bit of thought, and I have asked several people. --R Wonko the Sane wrote: My suggestion is to go listen to the man (and perhaps try to shake hands with him and exchange a few words) when he comes through on a campaign swing. Do the same with McCain. Then decide. It is impossible to quantify what will or will not make someone a good President. I think it boils down to the personality and natural skills of the individual. Some of our best Presidents seem to have come from the most unusual backgrounds. Some of our worst (i.e., Nixon) were career politicians. The best officer I served under in 20 years was a CWO4 -- no college, no management training, nothing but time in service and the force of his own personality and soft-spoken ways. He could make a decision and 99% of the time he made the correct call. When he retired, our enlisted crew took up a collection of over $1000 (a crew of less than 50 guys) to buy his retirement presents as a token of how much we hated to see him go. He was tough and ripped several of us a new one (including me occasionally, since I was a supervisor) but he was a good leader who we loved and respected. Some of the worst officers with whom I served were well educated (USCG Academy, then an MBA and then some additional post grad education, Navy War College, etc., and had commanded vessels at sea -- big ones at a senior level in their career) and had just as much time in service and experience as the CWO4. But you PRAYED for these folks to retire and get out of your life. They had the leadership ability of a mentally challenged slug. The CEO at my office has less education than I have -- he has but *one*Bachelor's degree. However, his personality and his natural leadership ability (something I sorely lack) has grown us into one of the largest and most respected corporations of our kind in Iowa, and perhaps in the mid-west. Folks are going to say that Obama is all rhetoric. That isn't the case. It is all about leadership qualities and the ability to efficiently manage those working with you. Organizational skills are important, and I think he has demonstrated those from time to time. Good leadership isn't something you learn or get from years working in the government. It is something you either have or don't have. I think Obama has it. Not sure yet about McCain - he might or he might not. On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again, what exactly qualifies this guy to be president? Would you hire him to be CEO of General Motors, Continental Airlines, Exxon Mobil, IBM, Microsoft, all these comparatively small operations? I'm still trying to figure it out. --R Wonko the Sane wrote: Careful how you talk about your next President. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Update on the no idle 603
Tom Hargrave wrote: I have an entire 300SDL that you can buy it had a transmission rebuild less than 2 years ago. Decided to not put it back on the road? I really don't need another car Unless you want to sell it for what Rusty charges for a rebuilt IP with no core charge ;) John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Obooma
Who is John Gregg? On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 11:37 PM, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Terrorist_For_President.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 62391 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080713/ccb93bda/attachment.jpg -- next part -- On 13 Jul 2008, at 20:28, Wonko the Sane wrote: Having met the man, I can say that his personality reminded me of John Gregg. On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 4:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have come to the conclusion that simply being In His Presence clouds men's minds. Much like The Shadow from the old-time radio show. Or on Sirius radio daily. RLE ** Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus0005000112http://www.tourtracker.com/?NCID=aolmus0005000112 ) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Update on the no idle 603
I dont know what Rusty charges for a rebuilt but there is a good bosch shop over by luther that has done good work for me for reasonable dollars. Tom Hargrave wrote: I have an entire 300SDL that you can buy it had a transmission rebuild less than 2 years ago. Decided to not put it back on the road? I really don't need another car Unless you want to sell it for what Rusty charges for a rebuilt IP with no core charge ;) John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Obooma
dead maybe? Who is John Gregg? On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 11:37 PM, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Terrorist_For_President.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 62391 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080713/ccb93bda/attachment.jpg -- next part -- On 13 Jul 2008, at 20:28, Wonko the Sane wrote: Having met the man, I can say that his personality reminded me of John Gregg. On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 4:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have come to the conclusion that simply being In His Presence clouds men's minds. Much like The Shadow from the old-time radio show. Or on Sirius radio daily. RLE ** Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus0005000112http://www.tourtracker.com/?NCID=aolmus0005000112 ) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Debt Free was Re: List Of CL Cars
Got anything to back up this claim? On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 10:04 PM, Tyler Backman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know someone who makes $100K+ per year, spending a few days a week at goodwill, and selling the items on eBay Tyler On Jul 13, 2008, at 6:31 PM, Redghost wrote: I sometimes frequent the Goodwill outlet store looking for legos and brio train stuff. There are regulars who put in long days at the clothing bins. They purchase at $0.65/lb (100+ lb) clothes and shoes. I guess it goes on eBay. That and the books. They stand there with iPhone or other smart phone entering data to see if they need it. Shopping carts of books grabbed up, research gets done and three books are held onto. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Update on the no idle 603
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dont know what Rusty charges for a rebuilt but there is a good bosch shop over by luther that has done good work for me for reasonable dollars. How much was it for your 2.5T rebuild? ~$700? The only thing is there would be a core charge as his has a hole in the casing. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Update on the no idle 603
It was $500. And, yet again, I find myself kicking myself in the ass for letting OK don have that car. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dont know what Rusty charges for a rebuilt but there is a good bosch shop over by luther that has done good work for me for reasonable dollars. How much was it for your 2.5T rebuild? ~$700? The only thing is there would be a core charge as his has a hole in the casing. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] question for people who know about music
I'm in the market for a new horn. I'm shopping euphoniums. A good compensating that I can cover most any tuba music in small ensemble work. My wife played a borrowed one in church recently. (She's an oboe player, but has a Master's degree in performance and plays a tuba on occasion. Starting in marching band, where they didn't really have much use for an oboe.) She borrowed it from a guy I worked with for years, he's the tuba player in the local symphony and has a collection of low instruments. Including serpents, ophicleides and cimbasso. It was a Miraphone, supposedly nice. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Be Careful Voting this year!
Andrew wrote: JFK was also a junior senator and several younger than Obama and no one questions his leadership abilities. I do. JFK was the myth of Camelot. Like Obama he is a decent speaker. He was a lousy president. Other than the space race/peace corp, can you name much that he actually accomplished? In contrast to Obama, JFK lowered taxes. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Be Careful Voting this year!
Donald Snook wrote: In contrast to Obama, JFK lowered taxes. You do realize that Obama plans on making the Bush tax cuts permanent for those under 250k? He's not trying to raise taxes across the board as you have suggested multiple times before. I'm sure you're still opposed to that as well, but it only affects 2% of all the households in the US. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States See bottom of first table. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Debt Free was Re: List Of CL Cars
Not really, other than the fact that we sold them a $400k house, and neither of them have real jobs. Of course that doesn't really mean anything, as it was before the sub-prime crisis when people without income could get a 400k loan... They look mostly for designer name brand clothes in the Goodwill bulk bins... I haven't talked to them for a few years, so I don't know if it's still a success or not. I believe they did re-sell the house. Tyler On Jul 14, 2008, at 7:53 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: Got anything to back up this claim? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] question for people who know about music - still no MB
My Arban is very worn and now in a spiral bound back. It holds together better that way :) NT State is still one of the best band schools in the nation. Regularly the top marching band around and they have a WA kick ass drum bugle core. I had several friends that I played percussion ensemble go there. Very impressive players. Luther Bill R wrote: As a HS student I thought I was pretty good with a horn, but I discovered that I was a big fish in a very small pond when we got a new band director. His sons, just over college age, were required to play the entire Arban's in order to pass HS band under him [thankfully the rest of us were not so challenged]. Trumpet playing son took a summer job as lead trumpet for Woody Herman, after being lead in the Navy Swing band and starting out as 1st chair in the 1:00 lab band at North Texas State - at that time probably the best band school in the US. His dad said he could hit a high 'C' on a trumpet suspended on a string - amazing breath control. I sat with him, barely able to follow the music, while he was playing some Dizzy Gillespie charts; trombone playing son was almost as good. Their HS band director dad had played lead trombone with Barnum and Bailey back when they had a travelling band, still spent summers playing lead trombone for Jackie Gleason, and was friends with JJ Johnson and Herbie Green and such as that. Last I saw them one son was working in a convenience store and the other was a chain smoking overweight trumpet player, and also starting to drink. He was still [or again] with Woody Herman, and had a split in his lip you could put a dime in and still had to play every night. That convinced me that even if I were very good [I wasn't] and even had some top connections [I didn't] it was not likely I'd ever get anywhere in the business. After that I just enjoyed playing in HS and college, but just for the fun of it. That is not a business for very many people. You hear a lot about how few HS and college athletes ever make it big, but I bet there are more music students with some dreams and even a smaller number who are able make a living at it, with skills being even less a factor than in sports. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Be Careful Voting this year!
andrew strasfogel wrote: JFK was also a junior senator and several younger than Obama and no one questions his leadership abilities. I don't think he'd be any more popular than Johnson or Nixon if he'd outlived his term in office. About the only thing I can think of to his credit is the resolution of the missile crisis, and you'd have to look into whether he caused it before giving him too much credit for fixing it without a war. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] question for people who know about music
Playing with no valves it part of my warm-up. It bores me after that :D Luther Gary Hurst wrote: but you still needed valves to play, which means y'all sucked in my book ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Let the oil flow!
The President to lift ban on offshore drilling: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25674571 Now, we just need Congress to act. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] question for people who know about music
no fake bugling in my house. why not just bring portable speakers and an mp3 player and bugle that way? On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Playing with no valves it part of my warm-up. It bores me after that :D Luther Gary Hurst wrote: but you still needed valves to play, which means y'all sucked in my book ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Obooma
He was on the Banned list (and I think also Mercedes) a while back. On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 9:49 AM, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who is John Gregg? -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] question for people who know about music
I'm shopping Besson, unless an older Miraphone, Hirsbrunner, Wilson, or the like comes up that has minor/semi-major damage for a reasonable price. I'm looking to spend less than $1,000 Luther Jim Cathey wrote: I'm in the market for a new horn. I'm shopping euphoniums. A good compensating that I can cover most any tuba music in small ensemble work. My wife played a borrowed one in church recently. (She's an oboe player, but has a Master's degree in performance and plays a tuba on occasion. Starting in marching band, where they didn't really have much use for an oboe.) She borrowed it from a guy I worked with for years, he's the tuba player in the local symphony and has a collection of low instruments. Including serpents, ophicleides and cimbasso. It was a Miraphone, supposedly nice. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300td deerslayer
Where do you live and what is the story on the parts wagon? Luther andrew strasfogel wrote: I also have said parts, plus my blue wagon if he wants a new car. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Let the oil flow!
What long term good do you think that will do? It's DEFINATELY not going to fix the problem of excessive waste of our resources. Sorry, America is addicted to oil and the cure is $250/barrel oil. Luther Donald Snook wrote: The President to lift ban on offshore drilling: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25674571 Now, we just need Congress to act. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Let the oil flow!
Luther wrote: What long term good do you think that will do? It's DEFINATELY not going to fix the problem of excessive waste of our resources. Sorry, America is addicted to oil and the cure is $250/barrel oil. By the time that these wells will actually produce anything $250 a barrel might just be the case. It also might be long enough for us to start shifting away from our petroleum addiction. It takes time for major changes like that to happen. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] I hate ebay liars
Here's another of these jackasses who lies about fuel mileage. This guy claims his 123 will get 34-36 mpg. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1984-Mercedes-300D-Turbo-Diesel-Good-WVO-candidate_W0QQitemZ260261473194QQihZ016QQcategoryZ6330QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] andrew strasfoge; blue TD?
Blue? Is it a parts car? I am looking for blue fenders and hood. andrew strasfogel wrote: I also have said parts, plus my blue wagon if he wants a new car. On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:19 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also sent him prices for used, but then he posted to the list so I guess he didnt want them. Problem is, somebody else could come along at any moment and need said parts and they will be sold by the time this guy decides to order. New grille assembly complete $130 New radiator $233 --Original Message-- From: Rick Hawkins Java Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com ReplyTo: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Jul 13, 2008 3:40 AM Subject: [MBZ] 300td deerslayer Folks, My 1982 300TD and i met a deer, essentially in downtown Washington, Georgia. It was about dusk. It took out the headlight doors (surrounds), the grill, bowed the a/c condensor and pressed the radiator into the fan. And knocked the belt off the p. steering too. I was only going maybe 30 or 40 mph if that. The large doe, i think, did a flip and hopefully died in the ditch. I turned up a dead end side road and there was a georgia state patrol man hiding. He was friendly and amazed when he realized that i was going to pull everything out and continue on my trip. He even gave me a hand and pulled on the bent radiator support with me Anyway, I pulled it out and the holes in the radiator were only about 1/3 of the way down, so i was able to make Tybee Island with a number of water fillups. It was a nite trip so it was fairly cool. No overheating. So, here's what i need. Grill complete from 300D (decent looking with installation bolts if possible most important I need a radiator for 1982 300TD (i assume the 300D is the same) mine is a behr and has oil cooler (removable on the side ) and transmission lines attach to the bottom please contact me off list [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you have any of this thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins www.javaphoto.com www.javacycles.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Sent from my BlackBerry(R) wireless handheld ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bought a 190D turbo without seeing it first
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: MB never put a 5 speed behind a turbo diesel because it reduces the driveability. Yea it sounds like a good idea but everyone I have talked to that have done it was not happy with the results. After every shift, you got to wait for the turbo to spool back up again. Very sluggish. I keep hearing this and to me it is a ridiculous statement. Maybe these people don't know how to shift properly? I have no problems with keeping the turbo spooled and its with a stock T3, a KKK or ARV would do even better. I love my swap and would do it again in a heart beat for a funner car. -Rolf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Video/Corvette ZR-1 at the Nurburgring
Next time I go visit the Fatherland I am *definitely* doing the ring. I didn't realize it was a toll road most of the time. Instead of spending $800+ on benzine driving around the black forest, I could have spent it driving around the ring, again, and again and again. -Rolf Chuck Landenberger wrote: Thanks for that.. Lots different than any US tracks I've driven on and cars I've driven on them.. Again, thanks for passing it on Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ On Jul 11, 2008, at 7:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: www.autojunk.nl:80/clips/view/142806 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bought a 190D turbo without seeing it first
On the subject of manny turbos: I bought some 240d parts from a fellow who used to own a W116 turbo manny. He had built it himself, with a 4sp setup out of a W115. He didn't mention falling off boost when shifting, but he said it was very sluggish from a standing start until the turbo built boost. You can get the boost going much faster with a torque converter in the picture. I think a 602 with the VNT turbo from a 320CDI would have little or no lag, lag, lag, GO! syndrome. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bought a 190D turbo without seeing it first
I have had a VNT turbo, adapter and AWIC sitting on the shelf for over a year now. I really need to get them on my car. ForcedInduction is running the highest recorded dyno numbers without touching the fuel pump. Before: http://superturbodiesel.com/std/download/file.php?id=15 After: http://superturbodiesel.com/std/download/file.php?id=13 I plan on making something of a kit when I do mine, something the avg DIYer could do for under $2-300. -Rolf Mitch Haley wrote: On the subject of manny turbos: I bought some 240d parts from a fellow who used to own a W116 turbo manny. He had built it himself, with a 4sp setup out of a W115. He didn't mention falling off boost when shifting, but he said it was very sluggish from a standing start until the turbo built boost. You can get the boost going much faster with a torque converter in the picture. I think a 602 with the VNT turbo from a 320CDI would have little or no lag, lag, lag, GO! syndrome. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bought a 190D turbo without seeing it first
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have had a VNT turbo, adapter and AWIC sitting on the shelf for over a year now. I really need to get them on my car. I plan on making something of a kit when I do mine, something the avg DIYer could do for under $2-300. Sweet! Keep us posted. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Is this a good deal? (Honda CB750)
The ninja 600 is a squid maker. Rubber band like HP, no torque. Driven one once and to me its just a plain stupid bike. I loved my '00 SV650, the only difference afaik between it and the S is the fairing. Jetted and tuned carb, high exit exhaust. I was basically making about 10hp less than the WERA bikes. The last 10hp would have cost me an arm and a leg. My only complaint was the poor suspension in the front. Stock they are pretty tame, not a starter bike but not a bad second bike. Not sure about how the EFI ones handle, they are certainly not as nice or reliable as the carbed. Many crankshaft issues. -Rolf Curt Raymond wrote: Did a check, this conversation came up a while ago on a motorcycle list I'm on. It turns out its the Ninja 600 that has a reputation for killing its owners. My bad... I wonder though, the SV650 I rode was very difficult to handle at low (ie parking lot) speeds. I don't know if thats something about the SV650 (which apparently they're known for) or sportbikes in general as its the only sportbike I've ever ridden. -Curt --- On Fri, 7/11/08, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Is this a good deal? (Honda CB750) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Friday, July 11, 2008, 11:22 PM Curt Raymond wrote: Sportbike. Something like a 14k redline, 300#, yeahdudes get 'em and get killed all the time. The Honda MB5 has a 14k redline too. On the one hand, we have Wonko implying that it's suicidally slow, and you stating that it's suicidally fast. I'm thinking 300lb dry and 26 rwhp is about perfect to start out with. My 16hp, 280lb CB200T can't really keep up with traffic these days, nor do the newer Honda 250s. 80mph top speed doesn't cut it on a 75mph freeway. The Ninja 250 can go 80mph up hills almost as easily as my 300SD. I don't doubt your assertation that morons exploring their shiny new 250's 100mph top speed don't last long, but that's because they are morons. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Be Careful Voting this year!
John R. wrote: You do realize that Obama plans on making the Bush tax cuts permanent for those under 250k? He's not trying to raise taxes across the board as you have suggested multiple times before. I'm sure you're still opposed to that as well, but it only affects 2% of all the households in the US. What I realize is that he has said both. He previously said he would allow the Bush tax cuts to expire (which he said was not a tax increase, it was merely allowing the irresponsible to expire. THEN, in the debate between he and Hillary Clinton, (which I watched) he said that he would not RAISE taxes on those making less than $250,000. I think these are inconsistent statements. When someone promises two diametrically opposed things during a campaign, they are lying about one of them. When you can't trust what someone says (because they are saying opposite things to different audiences), then the best thing to do is look at what they have done. Obama has voted for dozens tax increases in his short but very liberal career. In addition, raising taxes on small businesses making over $250,000 will destroy one of the few sectors of the economy that is actually adding jobs. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 235 mpg VW diesel
freaky,... packed for camp/touring, my motorcycle weighs more than this thing,...! cheers! e Christopher McCann wrote: http://www.greencar.com/features/vw-235-mpg-car/ wow. Chris Bünter u. Bügel Diesel Sales Service -1985 300SD, 379K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 1 Ton, 60K mi, Der Abschleppwagen -'75 240D, '80 300SD, '82 300Dt, '83 240D, '84 300Dt '85 300Dt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Be Careful Voting this year!
Or, maybe he is lying about both? John R. wrote: You do realize that Obama plans on making the Bush tax cuts permanent for those under 250k? He's not trying to raise taxes across the board as you have suggested multiple times before. I'm sure you're still opposed to that as well, but it only affects 2% of all the households in the US. What I realize is that he has said both. He previously said he would allow the Bush tax cuts to expire (which he said was not a tax increase, it was merely allowing the irresponsible to expire. THEN, in the debate between he and Hillary Clinton, (which I watched) he said that he would not RAISE taxes on those making less than $250,000. I think these are inconsistent statements. When someone promises two diametrically opposed things during a campaign, they are lying about one of them. When you can't trust what someone says (because they are saying opposite things to different audiences), then the best thing to do is look at what they have done. Obama has voted for dozens tax increases in his short but very liberal career. In addition, raising taxes on small businesses making over $250,000 will destroy one of the few sectors of the economy that is actually adding jobs. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Let the oil flow!
Luther wrote: What long term good do you think that will do? It's DEFINATELY not going to fix the problem of excessive waste of our resources. Sorry, America is addicted to oil and the cure is $250/barrel oil. That attitude makes me very angry. Do you have any idea what $250/barrel oil would do to food prices OR for that matter ANY GOODS OF ANY KIND WHICH MUST BE TRANSPORTED? Nearly every product is in some way dependent on oil because the parts or the ingredients are shipped, trucked, railroaded, etc. $250/barrel oil could cause MASSIVE and WIDESPREAD global depression. How much will a gallon of Milk cost? How about bread? What about all the other products that are made from petroleum like diapers. If $250/barrel oil is the cure, then what is the disease? Prosperity? Security? The ability to feed people? Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I hate ebay liars
I routinely see the low 30s, but that is with a 240D. On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's another of these jackasses who lies about fuel mileage. This guy claims his 123 will get 34-36 mpg. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1984-Mercedes-300D-Turbo-Diesel-Good-WVO-candidate_W0QQitemZ260261473194QQihZ016QQcategoryZ6330QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Let the oil flow!
John R. wrote: By the time that these wells will actually produce anything $250 a barrel might just be the case. It also might be long enough for us to start shifting away from our petroleum addiction. It takes time for major changes like that to happen. Bill Clinton said in 1998 that it would take 7-9 years for the oil in Anwar to get to market. Assuming he was right (and I doubt that) that oil would already be beefing up the supply and we would not have these prices, now. Because of his shortsightedness, we do not have that oil to help us now when it would help decrease the cost. What about the poor guy who works at the grocery store and he makes $8/hour. How does he afford gas when it keeps getting more expensive. It is like these assholes in New York who say they can live without a car. What about the people in middle America who drive 20 minutes to work, or 15 minutes to the grocery store and they can't afford a new hybrid. What about the single mom with 4 kids with an SUV (which she has to have because she has three car seats). I guess she is just out of luck. Is she a sacrifice to your plan to allow the price of oil increase, just so that we can learn to decrease our use? I guess I am lucky. If gas really goes to $8/gallon. I can still afford to drive to work, but not everyone will be so lucky. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Let the oil flow!
The disease is greed, waste, and self importance. What will the cure do and how will it do it? It will cause us to rethink our transportation needs, which we have needed to do since the inception of the interstates (and what a poor implementation it was). We need to rebuild our train system and infrastructure. Not only inner city but inter city. Stock tip of the week? Buy Norfolk Southern. In the last few years they have already seen triple growth in new contracts. It will cause manufacturers and vendors to start shipping goods in shared containers instead of one semi per product. It will cause us to rethink how our communities are built. Instead of driving to the mall and driving to the store, we need to bring the village concept back. Most importantly, hopefully it will bring back the mom and pop stores that have shutdown by agricorps and chains like walmart. -Rolf Donald Snook wrote: Luther wrote: What long term good do you think that will do? It's DEFINATELY not going to fix the problem of excessive waste of our resources. Sorry, America is addicted to oil and the cure is $250/barrel oil. That attitude makes me very angry. Do you have any idea what $250/barrel oil would do to food prices OR for that matter ANY GOODS OF ANY KIND WHICH MUST BE TRANSPORTED? Nearly every product is in some way dependent on oil because the parts or the ingredients are shipped, trucked, railroaded, etc. $250/barrel oil could cause MASSIVE and WIDESPREAD global depression. How much will a gallon of Milk cost? How about bread? What about all the other products that are made from petroleum like diapers. If $250/barrel oil is the cure, then what is the disease? Prosperity? Security? The ability to feed people? Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I hate ebay liars
That and the fact that you drive like an old man. Oh wait, you are an old man. You could probably get 30 out of that E420 I routinely see the low 30s, but that is with a 240D. On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's another of these jackasses who lies about fuel mileage. This guy claims his 123 will get 34-36 mpg. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1984-Mercedes-300D-Turbo-Diesel-Good-WVO-candidate_W0QQitemZ260261473194QQihZ016QQcategoryZ6330QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Let the oil flow!
Oil that high would do quite a bit more than cure us of our oil addiction. You would see quite a bit of war, death, population reduction. In this country, you would probably see at least a partial breakdown of society, maybe even total, to the point of people fighting each other over food and other resources. Bad news, much more than just an inconvienence. Luther wrote: What long term good do you think that will do? It's DEFINATELY not going to fix the problem of excessive waste of our resources. Sorry, America is addicted to oil and the cure is $250/barrel oil. That attitude makes me very angry. Do you have any idea what $250/barrel oil would do to food prices OR for that matter ANY GOODS OF ANY KIND WHICH MUST BE TRANSPORTED? Nearly every product is in some way dependent on oil because the parts or the ingredients are shipped, trucked, railroaded, etc. $250/barrel oil could cause MASSIVE and WIDESPREAD global depression. How much will a gallon of Milk cost? How about bread? What about all the other products that are made from petroleum like diapers. If $250/barrel oil is the cure, then what is the disease? Prosperity? Security? The ability to feed people? Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Let the oil flow!
Rolf wrote: Most importantly, hopefully it will bring back the mom and pop stores that have shutdown by agricorps and chains like walmart. I don't see how mom and pop stores have anything to do with it. If anything walmart is probably significantly more efficient than a distribution network of mom and pop stores. One thing it is bringing back is US manufacturing. I believe its already started to happen. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Let the oil flow!
I agree totally. If we can't have oil, then we need something as a substitute or our way of life is gone. I for one do not wish to revert to a way of life that was lived 200 years ago. I am not a farmer and I have no real means of growing or raising the food that I need. I live in a city and my yard is not sufficient to grow crops. I don't want to freeze in the dark and there are no close by forests that I might harvest to burn wood. Besides, I LIKE mechanical things like cars and boats and various and sundry engine powered doodads like lawnmowers and chainsaws. I don't want to have a goat eat my lawn and I don't want to cut wood with a manual saw. Generations of my ancestors have worked hard to get me to where I live relatively more comfortably than they did and I don't think that progress means I should revert back to the way they lived. We have a dependance on oil and I hope that the great minds are working on something that will provide comparable power without it before we do run out of it. Momentarily, I think we are being robbed blind by financial speculators and oil companies and that there is no legitimate reason that it costs more every time I need some. I also think that if we truly are short of oil and will run out in the foreseeable future and our way of life is doomed, then there are a bunch of SOB's to blame that should be tarred and feathered. I don't think that I am at fault for not conserving or living in the green manner that good old Al Gore promotes (but does not practise himself). I am 56 years old and throughout my whole life oil has been relatively abundant. I don't think it is fair to suddenly blame the individual consumer for the problem. It would be like saying one shouldn't breathe so much because we might run out of air. Energy use is a pretty normal think in our world and no one can expect us to solve this issue overnight by turning off some switch. Any sort of change that big will require a whole lot of planning and infrastructure etc. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 12:08 PM To: 'mercedes@okiebenz.com' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Let the oil flow! Luther wrote: What long term good do you think that will do? It's DEFINATELY not going to fix the problem of excessive waste of our resources. Sorry, America is addicted to oil and the cure is $250/barrel oil. That attitude makes me very angry. Do you have any idea what $250/barrel oil would do to food prices OR for that matter ANY GOODS OF ANY KIND WHICH MUST BE TRANSPORTED? Nearly every product is in some way dependent on oil because the parts or the ingredients are shipped, trucked, railroaded, etc. $250/barrel oil could cause MASSIVE and WIDESPREAD global depression. How much will a gallon of Milk cost? How about bread? What about all the other products that are made from petroleum like diapers. If $250/barrel oil is the cure, then what is the disease? Prosperity? Security? The ability to feed people? Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Let the oil flow!
Donald Snook wrote: What about the poor guy who works at the grocery store and he makes $8/hour. How does he afford gas when it keeps getting more expensive. It is like these assholes in New York who say they can live without a car. What about the people in middle America who drive 20 minutes to work, or 15 minutes to the grocery store and they can't afford a new hybrid. What about the single mom with 4 kids with an SUV (which she has to have because she has three car seats). I guess she is just out of luck. Is she a sacrifice to your plan to allow the price of oil increase, just so that we can learn to decrease our use? Woah I was not saying that we need to not drill any new wells now! I don't have a problem with opening offshore drilling, but I also don't have a problem with it taking 7+ years (is that really unreasonable to you? offshore oil rigs aren't simple things) to get to market. If it came online within a year or two we wouldn't have learned anything and our wasteful ways would return. Basically, I don't have a problem with oil prices getting more expensive. We need to learn to be less wasteful, etc and economics is the only way Americans learn anything. I do have a problem with sudden increases in oil like we are seeing right now. If oil was to go to $8/g in two months that would be a serious problem. If it is $8/g 10 years from now the economy is much more likely to survive. Maybe not thrive, but it wouldn't be the great depression. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I hate ebay liars
What really isn't fair is that (with current fuel prices) the people lying about fuel economy get WAY more money for their cars, regardless of condition. If you're trying to sell a car, and report the honest fuel economy people think their is something wrong with the car, when they see other ads reporting much higher fuel economy for the same model. I think that's one reason why I got my 190D turbo for only $3000, when I saw much shittier non-turbo 190Ds selling for $4000+ with claims of 50+ mpg. The buyers might not be trying to lie, but might actually not know how to calculate fuel economy properly. I see all the time on forums people who claim they get incredible MPG, but can't present any data when asked for a long-term record with distance and fuel volume. I keep a long-term spreadsheet on all of my cars, which includes graphs, and the type and speed of driving on each tank. I also measure the accuracy of the odometer against a GPS, and include a correction factor in the spreadsheet. With diesels especially, I usually see a lot of variation due to different amounts of fuel foaming affecting how full the tank gets before the pump clicks off. Tyler On Jul 14, 2008, at 10:03 AM, Donald Snook wrote: Here's another of these jackasses who lies about fuel mileage. This guy claims his 123 will get 34-36 mpg. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1984-Mercedes-300D-Turbo-Diesel-Good-WVO-candidate_W0QQitemZ260261473194QQihZ016QQcategoryZ6330QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Let the oil flow!
John Robbins wrote: If it is $8/g 10 years from now the economy is much more likely to survive. Maybe not thrive, but it wouldn't be the great depression. I'd like to add and say that 10 years might be long enough for it to adapt itself away from oil. Things like wind power, solar cells will get significantly more RD dollars to make them cheaper, etc. I'm not saying they're the solution by themselves, but they are part of the solution. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I hate ebay liars
Tyler Backman wrote: The buyers might not be trying to lie, but might actually not know how to calculate fuel economy properly. I see all the time on forums people who claim they get incredible MPG, but can't present any data when asked for a long-term record with distance and fuel volume. My personal pet peeve is people saying their car gets 30mpg, but when you question them about it you get if I drive at 65mph all highway, but when you get up to 80 where I normally drive it only gets 26 or so. When I say what my mileage is I say what it gets the way I drive it. ie, 80+ John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Let the oil flow!
Do you really want to go back to a time when most folks never ventured more than a few miles from where they were born (unless driven out by famine)? The car and the interstate highway is the reason why many of even the poorest folks have traveled America and beyond. How can that be a bad thing? Bring back the Mom and Pop stores and watch the prices rise. Little places like that may be more of a nostalgia thing than anything else. If they were efficient they would still be here but they cannot stock the variety that the big places can. The reason they have faded away is they couldn't compete. Some view that as sad and in a way it is but the malls and the big box stores have brought variety and price that wouldn't otherwise be available. You don't know how lucky you are. All I have to do is to drive to Grand Forks ND which is about 70 miles south of the Canadian border and everything changes. Places like Menards routinely stock stuff that I have a difficult time finding in Canada. The reason is that people can and will drive in for a significant radius to get that choice. The volume permits pretty decent prices and in America there is reasonable competition. We are more likely to be stuck with high prices because there is less competition in Canada. I recently bought a wood chipper / shredder. It is made in the USA and I was able to buy it for half of what it would have cost me to buy it locally. I think if we go back to the romantic days of mom and pop stores with their friendly local proprietors, we will also have a whole lot less choice of product and a whole lot higher price for what we buy. I know there are a lot of folks who will say that is just rampant consumerism and that people like me don't need a wood chipper so what does it matter but that was just a recent personal example. Somewhere there are folks who work for the company that made that chipper and it did not come from China. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rolf Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 12:18 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Let the oil flow! The disease is greed, waste, and self importance. What will the cure do and how will it do it? It will cause us to rethink our transportation needs, which we have needed to do since the inception of the interstates (and what a poor implementation it was). We need to rebuild our train system and infrastructure. Not only inner city but inter city. Stock tip of the week? Buy Norfolk Southern. In the last few years they have already seen triple growth in new contracts. It will cause manufacturers and vendors to start shipping goods in shared containers instead of one semi per product. It will cause us to rethink how our communities are built. Instead of driving to the mall and driving to the store, we need to bring the village concept back. Most importantly, hopefully it will bring back the mom and pop stores that have shutdown by agricorps and chains like walmart. -Rolf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] the great dick van patten strikes again! (dog food offtopic)
Just moved to Johns Island SC, which is outside Charleston. Moved from a small lot in the city of Houston to several acres on the marsh, and an island (with what appears to be a grave marked with a whelk shell, as the Gullahs used to do). --R andrew strasfogel wrote: where do you live again? On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 11:00 PM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was driving up our driveway a coupla days ago and through the trees across the drive in front of the truck flies this HUGE thing about 10ft off the ground and landed on a limb about 50ft away. Stopped to look at it, was about 18-20 tall on that limb. Looked through the bird book last night and I think it might have been a juvenile bald eagle, best I could tell from the coloring. I have noticed lots of tasty squirrels around, one fell about 40ft out of a tree the other morning and thumped down, was walking a bit funny after that adventure. I bet that bird has plenty o' snackies, whatever it was. --R Redghost wrote: In the meanwhile I shall continue my war against the squirrels inhabiting his trees. These fuzzy guerillas commit commando raids on my coop and gobble up food. I have yet to have a verified kill, but the pellets do cause them to think about further raids. Might need to contact the Colombians about taking out these little FARC rats. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tracks
Next time I go visit the Fatherland I am *definitely* doing the ring. I didn't realize it was a toll road most of the time. Instead of spending $800+ on benzine driving around the black forest, I could have spent it driving around the ring, again, and again and again. -Rolf Chuck Landenberger wrote: Thanks for that..Lots different than any US tracks I've driven on and cars I've driven on them..Again, thanks for passing it on.. My 'home' track is Pacific Raceways where I have driven countless laps in the decades I've used it. And I have driven my own cars at Zandvoort and Monza, twice, but the Ring is something entirely different. Very fast and dangerous for the street driver, particularly with the wrong car. RLE ** Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus0005000112) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tracks
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Ring is something entirely different. Very fast and dangerous for the street driver, particularly with the wrong car. Faster car than the driver is capable of handling? John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Let the oil flow!
Donald Snook wrote: Do you have any idea what $250/barrel oil would do to food prices OR for that matter ANY GOODS OF ANY KIND WHICH MUST BE TRANSPORTED? No, do you? I can only observe what the rise from $40 to $145 has done in the past few years, which is less than I thought a rise from $45 to $100 would do. Mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tracks
Think of it as evolution in action --R John Robbins wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Ring is something entirely different. Very fast and dangerous for the street driver, particularly with the wrong car. Faster car than the driver is capable of handling? John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Is this a good deal? (Honda CB750)
I'm given to understand the SV650 has random amount of fork oil in the front forks and it will be of a random viscosity. My friend just had his redone and it rides like a totally different (and vastly improved) bike with the correct amount of a slightly heavier than stock fork oil... -Curt --- On Mon, 7/14/08, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Is this a good deal? (Honda CB750) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Monday, July 14, 2008, 2:01 PM The ninja 600 is a squid maker. Rubber band like HP, no torque. Driven one once and to me its just a plain stupid bike. I loved my '00 SV650, the only difference afaik between it and the S is the fairing. Jetted and tuned carb, high exit exhaust. I was basically making about 10hp less than the WERA bikes. The last 10hp would have cost me an arm and a leg. My only complaint was the poor suspension in the front. Stock they are pretty tame, not a starter bike but not a bad second bike. Not sure about how the EFI ones handle, they are certainly not as nice or reliable as the carbed. Many crankshaft issues. -Rolf Curt Raymond wrote: Did a check, this conversation came up a while ago on a motorcycle list I'm on. It turns out its the Ninja 600 that has a reputation for killing its owners. My bad... I wonder though, the SV650 I rode was very difficult to handle at low (ie parking lot) speeds. I don't know if thats something about the SV650 (which apparently they're known for) or sportbikes in general as its the only sportbike I've ever ridden. -Curt --- On Fri, 7/11/08, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Is this a good deal? (Honda CB750) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Friday, July 11, 2008, 11:22 PM Curt Raymond wrote: Sportbike. Something like a 14k redline, 300#, yeahdudes get 'em and get killed all the time. The Honda MB5 has a 14k redline too. On the one hand, we have Wonko implying that it's suicidally slow, and you stating that it's suicidally fast. I'm thinking 300lb dry and 26 rwhp is about perfect to start out with. My 16hp, 280lb CB200T can't really keep up with traffic these days, nor do the newer Honda 250s. 80mph top speed doesn't cut it on a 75mph freeway. The Ninja 250 can go 80mph up hills almost as easily as my 300SD. I don't doubt your assertation that morons exploring their shiny new 250's 100mph top speed don't last long, but that's because they are morons. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Let the oil flow!
Unfortunately, I don't think we have quite seen what the rise from $40 to $145 has done. It is still happening. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 1:14 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Let the oil flow! Donald Snook wrote: Do you have any idea what $250/barrel oil would do to food prices OR for that matter ANY GOODS OF ANY KIND WHICH MUST BE TRANSPORTED? No, do you? I can only observe what the rise from $40 to $145 has done in the past few years, which is less than I thought a rise from $45 to $100 would do. Mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tracks
I really do hate to be a pessimist but I fear this current evolution may be negative. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 1:34 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tracks Think of it as evolution in action --R John Robbins wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Ring is something entirely different. Very fast and dangerous for the street driver, particularly with the wrong car. Faster car than the driver is capable of handling? John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Back to cars: 87 BMW convertible
Anyone know anything about the older (1987) BMW 325I Convertibles? Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Let the oil flow!
It's the village concept, Walmart doesn't fit into the picture at all. Mom and Pop's do. -Rolf John Robbins wrote: Rolf wrote: Most importantly, hopefully it will bring back the mom and pop stores that have shutdown by agricorps and chains like walmart. I don't see how mom and pop stores have anything to do with it. If anything walmart is probably significantly more efficient than a distribution network of mom and pop stores. One thing it is bringing back is US manufacturing. I believe its already started to happen. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Back to cars: 87 BMW convertible
Nice cars, good engines, good FI systems. Comparable to the Mercedes 190E but I think BMW did a better job. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 2:47 PM To: 'mercedes@okiebenz.com' Subject: [MBZ] Back to cars: 87 BMW convertible Anyone know anything about the older (1987) BMW 325I Convertibles? Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.4.10/1550 - Release Date: 7/13/2008 5:58 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.4.10/1550 - Release Date: 7/13/2008 5:58 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Let the oil flow!
You missed the point I was trying to make. We need to change how we travel and where we travel to. Trains were allowing poor people to move a lot earlier than the car and still do in most 3rd world countries. Interstates were a noble idea but poorly implemented when it came to urban areas. Based on the Autobahn, we pushed the interstates through major cities instead of around. This was done for two reasons, class (race)icism and laziness. The Autobahn never, ever runs through a city, forcing people to get on to surface streets to go inside the city ring. The 70's saw a heavy growth in Interstate growth, and mostly poor urban areas took most of the hit. The focus was on transporting the individual to an from work without forcing them to travel through the poor urban areas and be reminded of the differences that exist in our society. The reasons Mom and Pop's couldn't compete was the debasement of the village concept being used to develop the suburbs. It wasn't the fault of the Mom and Pop's it was the fault of the developer and the consumer. Mom and pop's always provided better quality, the big boxes survive on undercutting quality to provide a cheaper price (and in doing so often put the manufacturer out of business). To an extent we need to go back to the trains and the village lifestyle in order to allow us the niceties of taking the family car on vacation. Give a little take a little. We have a lot to learn from Europe, they already have 8/gal prices and seem to go on holiday a lot more than we do. -Rolf R A Bennell wrote: Do you really want to go back to a time when most folks never ventured more than a few miles from where they were born (unless driven out by famine)? The car and the interstate highway is the reason why many of even the poorest folks have traveled America and beyond. How can that be a bad thing? Bring back the Mom and Pop stores and watch the prices rise. Little places like that may be more of a nostalgia thing than anything else. If they were efficient they would still be here but they cannot stock the variety that the big places can. The reason they have faded away is they couldn't compete. Some view that as sad and in a way it is but the malls and the big box stores have brought variety and price that wouldn't otherwise be available. You don't know how lucky you are. All I have to do is to drive to Grand Forks ND which is about 70 miles south of the Canadian border and everything changes. Places like Menards routinely stock stuff that I have a difficult time finding in Canada. The reason is that people can and will drive in for a significant radius to get that choice. The volume permits pretty decent prices and in America there is reasonable competition. We are more likely to be stuck with high prices because there is less competition in Canada. I recently bought a wood chipper / shredder. It is made in the USA and I was able to buy it for half of what it would have cost me to buy it locally. I think if we go back to the romantic days of mom and pop stores with their friendly local proprietors, we will also have a whole lot less choice of product and a whole lot higher price for what we buy. I know there are a lot of folks who will say that is just rampant consumerism and that people like me don't need a wood chipper so what does it matter but that was just a recent personal example. Somewhere there are folks who work for the company that made that chipper and it did not come from China. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Back to cars: 87 BMW convertible
Timing belt (not chain) needs attention every 60K miles. On 7/14/08, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice cars, good engines, good FI systems. Comparable to the Mercedes 190E but I think BMW did a better job. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 2:47 PM To: 'mercedes@okiebenz.com' Subject: [MBZ] Back to cars: 87 BMW convertible Anyone know anything about the older (1987) BMW 325I Convertibles? Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.4.10/1550 - Release Date: 7/13/2008 5:58 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.4.10/1550 - Release Date: 7/13/2008 5:58 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Let the oil flow!
Let me first of all say, that I firmly beieve that you are entitled to your opinion. However, I don't agree with it. I think that the automobile is and has been a wonderful thing. It boils down to the single word - freedom. Go where you want, when you need or want to without meeting some schedule set by someone else. If I can't have oil, then I still want some other energy source because I don't want to use mass transit systems. I like my car, truck etc. Now, don't get me wrong, I think folks who commute long distances daily are goofy. I tried that for a while and it did not take me long to realize that I did not want to commute across the city daily. I have moved my office several times in the past 28 years and all but one move has been closer to home rather than further away. I could see my house from our office building if a local hospital was a bit shorter. I could walk to work but I don't and I don't want to. Much of my driving is to the lake and that is a 350 mile round trip. I have done that 6 times now since mid May. There is no train to that location and I would not want to ride it if there were. Sometimes I go Friday night and stay to Sunday and sometimes I go Saturday morning and stay to Monday. I am usually hauling something out or back. Come October, my travels will drop off to almost nothing but this time of year I put quite a few miles on. I'd love something more efficient and less expensive to run but my thoughts in that direction have been somewhat stymied by the rising price of diesel oil. A smaller truck wouldn't help much and a Honda Civic with a trailer does not really turn my crank so for the moment, I just carry on with my existing vehicle and hope for better times. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rolf Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 2:06 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Let the oil flow! You missed the point I was trying to make. We need to change how we travel and where we travel to. Trains were allowing poor people to move a lot earlier than the car and still do in most 3rd world countries. Interstates were a noble idea but poorly implemented when it came to urban areas. Based on the Autobahn, we pushed the interstates through major cities instead of around. This was done for two reasons, class (race)icism and laziness. The Autobahn never, ever runs through a city, forcing people to get on to surface streets to go inside the city ring. The 70's saw a heavy growth in Interstate growth, and mostly poor urban areas took most of the hit. The focus was on transporting the individual to an from work without forcing them to travel through the poor urban areas and be reminded of the differences that exist in our society. The reasons Mom and Pop's couldn't compete was the debasement of the village concept being used to develop the suburbs. It wasn't the fault of the Mom and Pop's it was the fault of the developer and the consumer. Mom and pop's always provided better quality, the big boxes survive on undercutting quality to provide a cheaper price (and in doing so often put the manufacturer out of business). To an extent we need to go back to the trains and the village lifestyle in order to allow us the niceties of taking the family car on vacation. Give a little take a little. We have a lot to learn from Europe, they already have 8/gal prices and seem to go on holiday a lot more than we do. -Rolf R A Bennell wrote: Do you really want to go back to a time when most folks never ventured more than a few miles from where they were born (unless driven out by famine)? The car and the interstate highway is the reason why many of even the poorest folks have traveled America and beyond. How can that be a bad thing? Bring back the Mom and Pop stores and watch the prices rise. Little places like that may be more of a nostalgia thing than anything else. If they were efficient they would still be here but they cannot stock the variety that the big places can. The reason they have faded away is they couldn't compete. Some view that as sad and in a way it is but the malls and the big box stores have brought variety and price that wouldn't otherwise be available. You don't know how lucky you are. All I have to do is to drive to Grand Forks ND which is about 70 miles south of the Canadian border and everything changes. Places like Menards routinely stock stuff that I have a difficult time finding in Canada. The reason is that people can and will drive in for a significant radius to get that choice. The volume permits pretty decent prices and in America there is reasonable competition. We are more likely to be stuck with high prices because there is less competition in Canada. I recently bought a wood chipper / shredder. It is made in the USA and I was able to buy it for half of what it would have cost me to buy it locally. I think if we go back to the romantic days
Re: [MBZ] Back to cars: 87 BMW convertible
Used to work with a fellow who had one about that vintage. Had no problems that I know of. Was a nice little car. Have heard that some of the BMW's could be a bit of a handful on icy or snowy roads but don't know it that was true of that model. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 1:47 PM To: 'mercedes@okiebenz.com' Subject: [MBZ] Back to cars: 87 BMW convertible Anyone know anything about the older (1987) BMW 325I Convertibles? Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bought a 190D turbo without seeing it first
I am *almost* certain that this rumor originated with people who swapped in a manual, and kept the stock differential. Because the manual transmission has much higher gears than the auto the car become sluggish unless the gear ratio is changed. I REALLY doubt that it has anything to do with the turbocharger... Tyler On Jul 14, 2008, at 10:37 AM, Rolf wrote: I keep hearing this and to me it is a ridiculous statement. Maybe these people don't know how to shift properly? I have no problems with keeping the turbo spooled and its with a stock T3, a KKK or ARV would do even better. I love my swap and would do it again in a heart beat for a funner car. -Rolf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Let the oil flow!
Rolf wrote: The reasons Mom and Pop's couldn't compete was the debasement of the village concept being used to develop the suburbs. It wasn't the fault of the Mom and Pop's it was the fault of the developer and the consumer. Mom and pop's always provided better quality, the big boxes survive on undercutting quality to provide a cheaper price (and in doing so often put the manufacturer out of business). I really think the box store approach is more efficient. Centralized distribution at all levels. Including the personal level. Instead of driving around to different little stores, I can drive to Wal-mart and take care of 98% of my shopping needs in one trip. Wal-mart does not do anything any other company does with their pricing. Every single company you have ever dealt with has pressured their suppliers into providing lower costs. Wal-mart just has a HUGE stick to beat them with. If a supplier goes out of business because they lowered their cost too much... so what? Doesn't seem like the business was run well enough to know what their cost was. For some things quality isn't all that important... see Harbor Freight. Unless you are a pro or doing a big project their stuff works great and is ultra cheap. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Be Careful Voting this year!
Kaleb wrote maybe he is lying about both *That*is most likely - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Be Careful Voting this year! Or, maybe he is lying about both? John R. wrote: You do realize that Obama plans on making the Bush tax cuts permanent for those under 250k? He's not trying to raise taxes across the board as you have suggested multiple times before. I'm sure you're still opposed to that as well, but it only affects 2% of all the households in the US. What I realize is that he has said both. He previously said he would allow the Bush tax cuts to expire (which he said was not a tax increase, it was merely allowing the irresponsible to expire. THEN, in the debate between he and Hillary Clinton, (which I watched) he said that he would not RAISE taxes on those making less than $250,000. I think these are inconsistent statements. When someone promises two diametrically opposed things during a campaign, they are lying about one of them. When you can't trust what someone says (because they are saying opposite things to different audiences), then the best thing to do is look at what they have done. Obama has voted for dozens tax increases in his short but very liberal career. In addition, raising taxes on small businesses making over $250,000 will destroy one of the few sectors of the economy that is actually adding jobs. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Let the oil flow!
Rolf wrote: To an extent we need to go back to the trains and the village lifestyle in order to allow us the niceties of taking the family car on vacation. Give a little take a little. We have a lot to learn from Europe, they already have 8/gal prices and seem to go on holiday a lot more than we do. I guess one of my problems with this is that this is not necessarily everyone's vision of what is a good idea. AND for some to advocate for increases in oil prices in order to implement their version of utopia at the cost of everyone else's ideas seems pretty crappy to me. None of this matters, there is so much oil in the continental shelf that was haven't tapped into, we will all be driving cadillacs at 7 mpg and setting fire to barrels of oil, just to heat our outdoor gardens. Just kidding. That is not my vision of utopia. But, I sure would like $1.50/gallon gas again. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tracks
Hi, Pacific raceways looks like an interesting track layout w/long straight and on dynamite S curve... I'll be going to the 2008 StarFest MBCA event at Thunderhill Raceway in Willows CA in September Here's the link to see the track - over three miles and hope we use them all. http://www.thunderhill.com/07_Facility_Internet.pdf I'm taking the 500E and will air it out... You going to be joining in? Not too far from your neck of the woods... Take care and be safe Chuck Phoenix AZ On Jul 14, 2008, at 12:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Next time I go visit the Fatherland I am *definitely* doing the ring. I didn't realize it was a toll road most of the time. Instead of spending $800+ on benzine driving around the black forest, I could have spent it driving around the ring, again, and again and again. -Rolf Chuck Landenberger wrote: Thanks for that..Lots different than any US tracks I've driven on and cars I've driven on them..Again, thanks for passing it on.. My 'home' track is Pacific Raceways where I have driven countless laps in the decades I've used it. And I have driven my own cars at Zandvoort and Monza, twice, but the Ring is something entirely different. Very fast and dangerous for the street driver, particularly with the wrong car. RLE ** Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus0005000112) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Let the oil flow!
Radny wrote: Let me first of all say, that I firmly beieve that you are entitled to your opinion. However, I don't agree with it. I think that the automobile is and has been a wonderful thing. It boils down to the single word - freedom. Go where you want, when you need or want to without meeting some schedule set by someone else. If I can't have oil, then I still want some other energy source because I don't want to use mass transit systems. I like my car, truck etc . . . I just carry on with my existing vehicle and hope for better times. Well said, Randy. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bought a 190D turbo without seeing it first
On the W123 the gearing is the same on most manuals (any you would find here at any rate) and autos, I am fairly certain the same goes for 124/201. -Rolf Tyler Backman wrote: I am *almost* certain that this rumor originated with people who swapped in a manual, and kept the stock differential. Because the manual transmission has much higher gears than the auto the car become sluggish unless the gear ratio is changed. I REALLY doubt that it has anything to do with the turbocharger... Tyler On Jul 14, 2008, at 10:37 AM, Rolf wrote: I keep hearing this and to me it is a ridiculous statement. Maybe these people don't know how to shift properly? I have no problems with keeping the turbo spooled and its with a stock T3, a KKK or ARV would do even better. I love my swap and would do it again in a heart beat for a funner car. -Rolf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Let the oil flow!
Thank you. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 2:43 PM To: 'mercedes@okiebenz.com' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Let the oil flow! Randy wrote: Let me first of all say, that I firmly beieve that you are entitled to your opinion. However, I don't agree with it. I think that the automobile is and has been a wonderful thing. It boils down to the single word - freedom. Go where you want, when you need or want to without meeting some schedule set by someone else. If I can't have oil, then I still want some other energy source because I don't want to use mass transit systems. I like my car, truck etc . . . I just carry on with my existing vehicle and hope for better times. Well said, Randy. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Back to cars: 87 BMW convertible
Bzzt, wrong, the eta engine in the 325, 325e, and 528e had a timing belt, but all other BMW sixes have chains. On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 1:14 PM, John Freer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Timing belt (not chain) needs attention every 60K miles. On 7/14/08, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice cars, good engines, good FI systems. Comparable to the Mercedes 190E but I think BMW did a better job. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] andrew strasfoge; blue TD?
No - it's too good for that. On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blue? Is it a parts car? I am looking for blue fenders and hood. andrew strasfogel wrote: I also have said parts, plus my blue wagon if he wants a new car. On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:19 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also sent him prices for used, but then he posted to the list so I guess he didnt want them. Problem is, somebody else could come along at any moment and need said parts and they will be sold by the time this guy decides to order. New grille assembly complete $130 New radiator $233 --Original Message-- From: Rick Hawkins Java Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com ReplyTo: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Jul 13, 2008 3:40 AM Subject: [MBZ] 300td deerslayer Folks, My 1982 300TD and i met a deer, essentially in downtown Washington, Georgia. It was about dusk. It took out the headlight doors (surrounds), the grill, bowed the a/c condensor and pressed the radiator into the fan. And knocked the belt off the p. steering too. I was only going maybe 30 or 40 mph if that. The large doe, i think, did a flip and hopefully died in the ditch. I turned up a dead end side road and there was a georgia state patrol man hiding. He was friendly and amazed when he realized that i was going to pull everything out and continue on my trip. He even gave me a hand and pulled on the bent radiator support with me Anyway, I pulled it out and the holes in the radiator were only about 1/3 of the way down, so i was able to make Tybee Island with a number of water fillups. It was a nite trip so it was fairly cool. No overheating. So, here's what i need. Grill complete from 300D (decent looking with installation bolts if possible most important I need a radiator for 1982 300TD (i assume the 300D is the same) mine is a behr and has oil cooler (removable on the side ) and transmission lines attach to the bottom please contact me off list [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you have any of this thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins www.javaphoto.com www.javacycles.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Sent from my BlackBerry(R) wireless handheld ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300td deerslayer
I stripped the rusty parts wagon of its drive train and other high value parts and sold the carcass to a crusher. The blue/blue daily driver 1983 300TD is still available. I am in D.C. Andrew On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where do you live and what is the story on the parts wagon? Luther andrew strasfogel wrote: I also have said parts, plus my blue wagon if he wants a new car. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Let the oil flow!
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, thats the fun part :) It'd be boring if all agreed to the same things (GOP/Dittoheads come to mind). I think we are both on the same track here, my track has a solution where yours is in search of one (again in my opinion). By no means do I say that we should all have to take mass transit and that is it. I am suggesting that we take the routine day to day and do that en masse, thus allowing us to still have the freedoms to go camping on the weekends. Without a new energy source and at the current rate we are going to end up spending all the money to get to work and not having any left for the vacations. If our mass transit systems were frequent enough we wouldn't have to worry about schedules. If we had faster trains we wouldn't have to use airplanes which are far more fuel economy unfriendly. If we took the Semi's off the road and used the much more efficient train, we would have more fuel available for the car. The freedom you speak of does not exist IMO. You still have to follow the rules and regulations of driving, and you certainly bend over and take it when you tank up. Freedom is riding a bike or taking a walk. Freedom is the ability to travel where you want, when you want. In order to do so you might have to wait (you certainly do to take a plane and you cant drive over the ocean last time I checked). I live in Atlanta which has the longest avg commute of any city. Those who do have no one to blame but them selves. For *decades* the outlying counties have stopped mass transit from spreading. When their constituents complain about the price of gas and not being able to drive to work, those complaints fall on deaf ears. They get what they deserved. We need to change our infrastructure. All the money we wasted in Iraq could have been spent on doing so (and employed hundreds of thousands of Americans in peaceful ways). Bush *could* have been the best president since FDR (when it came to building infrastructure). Thats the kind of change we need, whos got the balls to do it? -Rolf R A Bennell wrote: Let me first of all say, that I firmly beieve that you are entitled to your opinion. However, I don't agree with it. I think that the automobile is and has been a wonderful thing. It boils down to the single word - freedom. Go where you want, when you need or want to without meeting some schedule set by someone else. If I can't have oil, then I still want some other energy source because I don't want to use mass transit systems. I like my car, truck etc. Now, don't get me wrong, I think folks who commute long distances daily are goofy. I tried that for a while and it did not take me long to realize that I did not want to commute across the city daily. I have moved my office several times in the past 28 years and all but one move has been closer to home rather than further away. I could see my house from our office building if a local hospital was a bit shorter. I could walk to work but I don't and I don't want to. Much of my driving is to the lake and that is a 350 mile round trip. I have done that 6 times now since mid May. There is no train to that location and I would not want to ride it if there were. Sometimes I go Friday night and stay to Sunday and sometimes I go Saturday morning and stay to Monday. I am usually hauling something out or back. Come October, my travels will drop off to almost nothing but this time of year I put quite a few miles on. I'd love something more efficient and less expensive to run but my thoughts in that direction have been somewhat stymied by the rising price of diesel oil. A smaller truck wouldn't help much and a Honda Civic with a trailer does not really turn my crank so for the moment, I just carry on with my existing vehicle and hope for better times. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Video/Corvette ZR-1 at the Nurburgring
The Ring of the Niebelung by Wagner?? On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Next time I go visit the Fatherland I am *definitely* doing the ring. I didn't realize it was a toll road most of the time. Instead of spending $800+ on benzine driving around the black forest, I could have spent it driving around the ring, again, and again and again. -Rolf Chuck Landenberger wrote: Thanks for that.. Lots different than any US tracks I've driven on and cars I've driven on them.. Again, thanks for passing it on Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ On Jul 11, 2008, at 7:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: www.autojunk.nl:80/clips/view/142806http://www.autojunk.nl/clips/view/142806 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I hate ebay liars
Maybe it's a Canadian 160 oz. gallon... On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 2:45 PM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tyler Backman wrote: The buyers might not be trying to lie, but might actually not know how to calculate fuel economy properly. I see all the time on forums people who claim they get incredible MPG, but can't present any data when asked for a long-term record with distance and fuel volume. My personal pet peeve is people saying their car gets 30mpg, but when you question them about it you get if I drive at 65mph all highway, but when you get up to 80 where I normally drive it only gets 26 or so. When I say what my mileage is I say what it gets the way I drive it. ie, 80+ John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] the great dick van patten strikes again! (dog food offtopic)
Sounds pretty plush/posh to me. On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just moved to Johns Island SC, which is outside Charleston. Moved from a small lot in the city of Houston to several acres on the marsh, and an island (with what appears to be a grave marked with a whelk shell, as the Gullahs used to do). --R andrew strasfogel wrote: where do you live again? On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 11:00 PM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was driving up our driveway a coupla days ago and through the trees across the drive in front of the truck flies this HUGE thing about 10ft off the ground and landed on a limb about 50ft away. Stopped to look at it, was about 18-20 tall on that limb. Looked through the bird book last night and I think it might have been a juvenile bald eagle, best I could tell from the coloring. I have noticed lots of tasty squirrels around, one fell about 40ft out of a tree the other morning and thumped down, was walking a bit funny after that adventure. I bet that bird has plenty o' snackies, whatever it was. --R Redghost wrote: In the meanwhile I shall continue my war against the squirrels inhabiting his trees. These fuzzy guerillas commit commando raids on my coop and gobble up food. I have yet to have a verified kill, but the pellets do cause them to think about further raids. Might need to contact the Colombians about taking out these little FARC rats. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Be Careful Voting this year!
I didn't say that JFK was wildly popular, just that he had leadership ability. On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 4:38 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaleb wrote maybe he is lying about both *That*is most likely - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Be Careful Voting this year! Or, maybe he is lying about both? John R. wrote: You do realize that Obama plans on making the Bush tax cuts permanent for those under 250k? He's not trying to raise taxes across the board as you have suggested multiple times before. I'm sure you're still opposed to that as well, but it only affects 2% of all the households in the US. What I realize is that he has said both. He previously said he would allow the Bush tax cuts to expire (which he said was not a tax increase, it was merely allowing the irresponsible to expire. THEN, in the debate between he and Hillary Clinton, (which I watched) he said that he would not RAISE taxes on those making less than $250,000. I think these are inconsistent statements. When someone promises two diametrically opposed things during a campaign, they are lying about one of them. When you can't trust what someone says (because they are saying opposite things to different audiences), then the best thing to do is look at what they have done. Obama has voted for dozens tax increases in his short but very liberal career. In addition, raising taxes on small businesses making over $250,000 will destroy one of the few sectors of the economy that is actually adding jobs. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
