Re: [MBZ] I give up!

[Jim Cathey]

You need the exact schematics of your car, and the others.
Find and reverse-engineer the differences.  Remember that
you don't have to dip the sender in fuel in order to test
its range, nor even put it all together.  Just run it back
and forth with your finger and see if the gauge responds
correctly.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] hmmmm

[Benz Hogs]

I've got the head and trans for that car.

Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 "Max" (166,xxx mi)

On 6/21/2013 3:01 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:

http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/3818315544.html


1987 Mercedes 300SDL, 6 cylinder turbo diesel. 256k miles,
automatic. Starts and runs good, the transmission has an issue when
it warms up that it starts to not want to shift above thrid gear. I
recently lost my job and dont have the time or money to put into it.
$1500 obo.



--R


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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Any TDI folks here?

[Brian Toscano]

the '98 TDI should get you upper 40's on the highway.


On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> I passed on one in an auction in 2004 and I'm still kicking myself, it
> sold for cheap cheap but I didn't have the house yet and space for 3 cars.
> I was still driving my '83 240D back then.
>
> One of my students in California a couple years ago has one. He said the
> batteries died years ago but it still gets good mileage even so.
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 19:49:36 -0400
> From: Mitch Haley 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re:  Any TDI folks here?
> Message-ID: <51c78990.3080...@voyager.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Dan Penoff wrote:
> > Methinks he meant "mile", not gallon.
>
> Yep.
> Can't believe I did that.
>
> If Curt really cares about fuel cost, he could always get a first
> generation
> Insight with stick shift. 65-70mpg on 87 octane gasahol.
> Mitch.
>
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Re: [MBZ] For Those W116 Lovers Out There...(now velour interiors)

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 6:33 PM, Chris James  wrote:

>
> I think I would choose velor over the Tex or leather myself (in the
> periods where it was offered). Came across a dark gray 300E for sale online
> once that had a black velor interior, looked really nice!
>
>
I love velour interiors.  Never understood why they are considered cheap
(in the USA at least).  Velour does collect dog hair and lint, but that's
about the only downside as far as I can tell.  Cozy in the winter and it
don't stick to you in the summer, unlike leather or vinyl.

Now, the rough woven polyester that they call "cloth" in bottom-of-the-line
American and Japanese cars is quite a different thing and very unpleasant.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Any TDI folks here?

[Curt Raymond]

I passed on one in an auction in 2004 and I'm still kicking myself, it sold for 
cheap cheap but I didn't have the house yet and space for 3 cars. I was still 
driving my '83 240D back then.

One of my students in California a couple years ago has one. He said the 
batteries died years ago but it still gets good mileage even so.

-Curt

Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 19:49:36 -0400
From: Mitch Haley 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re:  Any TDI folks here?
Message-ID: <51c78990.3080...@voyager.net>
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Dan Penoff wrote:
> Methinks he meant "mile", not gallon.

Yep.
Can't believe I did that.

If Curt really cares about fuel cost, he could always get a first generation 
Insight with stick shift. 65-70mpg on 87 octane gasahol.
Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Any TDI folks here?

[Curt Raymond]

I think that really shorts the TDI too, the 2012 is rated for 42 highway which 
is most of what I drive.

The new EPA estimates are crazy low, my '84 190D 2.2l auto is EPA rated 27/31, 
I average about 38 with runs up to 40. The '98 TDI was rated 33/44.

'98 E300 is 23/31, we'll give it the benefit of the doubt that 35 is quite 
possible, still pretty low when you drive 112 miles a day.

-Curt

Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 17:36:35 -0600
From: Craig 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re:  Any TDI folks here?
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On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 18:42:47 -0400 Dan Penoff  wrote:

> Methinks he meant "mile", not gallon.
> 
> Dan
> 
> On Jun 23, 2013, at 6:40 PM, Craig wrote:
> 
> > $ 0.09 per gallon of fuel???!!


1 mile    $ 4.00
 x  = 38.9 MPG
$ 0.09    gallon

$ 0.10 / mile => 35.0 MPG

$ 0.11 / mile => 31.8 MPG


Will a W210 do 30 MPG?


Craig


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Re: [MBZ] VW 2004 TDI wagon tail light bulb replacement

[Curt Raymond]

Thats what I was thinking. I've driven a 2012 sedan and a '98 sedan, the 2012 
is a rocket ship, but the 90hp '98 with 155ft/lb is no slouch, probably as 
quick as Fred's '87 190D turbo.
That said I've never driven one with an auto, should still be much faster than 
a 617 300TD.

I bet he find the turbo isn't up to much.

-Curt

Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 14:27:10 -0700
From: Alex Chamberlain 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] VW 2004 TDI wagon tail light bulb replacement
Message-ID:
    
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Rick Hawkins Java  wrote:

> Folks,
>
> A friend just purchased a 2004 tdi wagon from some dealer for, i think,
> about $8000 which doesn't sound like all that good a price to me.
>
> He brought it by yesterday evening and i drove it around the block, so to
> speak, including about a mile of freeway. It's auto and i was underwhelmed
> with the car and the performance.


Then something's wrong with it.  An '04 TDI should be as fast as an '87
300D, meaning much faster than any 617 car in the best of tune.  They are
*not* slow.

Alex


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Re: [MBZ] For Those W116 Lovers Out There...(now velour interiors)

[Chris James]

From looking at brochures online, it looks like velour was available 
from the '70s ( starting with the W116, W123 & C107) to at least the 
'90MY here in the US (in no less then 8 colors!) on all models except 
for the SL Roadster. N/C on some models, the option cost around $1K+- 
for all others.


No different then ordering heated seats really, as in it was listed in 
the price/equipment or paint/upholstery brochures & there was no extra 
charge over what the option cost. Unlike the SPC program Mercedes 
currently has for special options/trim (which they hide in the ordering 
guides, not sure why?), that entails a total additional $250 charge for 
the option(s) ordered.


I think I would choose velor over the Tex or leather myself (in the 
periods where it was offered). Came across a dark gray 300E for sale 
online once that had a black velor interior, looked really nice!


On 6/23/2013 8:07 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

My 250 LWB had velour that was ordered with the car.  Not sure why -
it didn't wear well and was difficult to clean.

Dan

On Jun 23, 2013, at 8:01 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:


Velour was available in some US models as a special order option.
Its quite rare.

Once upon a time I came across an US 300SD with velour interior:
http://images.jaimekop.com/2001_10_03_300SD_Velour/

And more recently a 380SEL and 300D.  But I'm never managed to
own a car with it.  But I've had a few euro cars with cloth
interior.

Jaime



--
Chris J.
MBCA Peachtree section
Past MB Models:
'85 190D 2.2, '94 E420, '87 260E

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Re: [MBZ] I give up!

[Curt Raymond]

Mike's on the right track timing wise. I wonder if there was a special tank for 
'85.


Ooooh, I wonder if there was a CA only tank. Yours is a federal (ie 49 state) 
car? I wonder if you put a CA tank in and maybe its not exactly the same shape 
as the federal model.

Otherwise maybe a wire got pinched or something.

-Curt

Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 12:54:54 -0400
From: Michael Canfield 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] I give up!
Message-ID:
    
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Something you have not messed with since the tank change is changing the
current the guage is reading.  Only thing I can come up with would be if
the tank is supposed to be grounded to the chassis and maybe the coating on
the new tank is preventing a good ground?

Does the circuit have it's own ground or is it depending on a connection
between the sender and the tank and the tank to the chassis?

Maybe

Mike
On Jun 23, 2013 12:42 PM, "G. M. Brown"  wrote:

>
> I know some of you may be a bit annoyed/upset in that I've only presented
> part of the problem/solution here but I would use up considerable bandwidth
> if I were to describe and include all the photos associated with this
> investigation.
> 1. I purchased an '85 300TD from my brother in 2010 for which he had
> recently had the fuel tank replaced in order to pass PA inspection due to
> rust/leakage and the fuel gauge started behaving oddly after the fuel tank
> replacement (Note: the odd behavior indicates rather quick indicating to
> the empty mark when the tank is 1/4-1/2 full).
> 2. I removed, cleaned and reinstalled the sending unit to no avail.  I
> purchased a sending unit from the local PNP, managed to break the 40 gauge
> (mic'd. at 0.008mm) Nichrome wire, obtained Nichrome wire on the I-net,
> repaired both this unit and the original unit, and both behave similarly.
> 3. I've had two experiences with Ebay sellers where the 1st combi gauge
> (temp/fuel/oil pressure) purchased had a temp gauge which was not working
> and the 2nd was damaged in shipping due to poor packaging. I obtained a
> combi gauge from a 240D at the local PNP and it behaves similarly to the
> original 300TD combi gauge.  I'm including this last photo here fyi as,
> considering how many times I've removed/installed sending units and combi
> gauges in this vehicle, I give up.
>
> G. M. Brown
> Brevard, NC


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Re: [MBZ] okiebenz mail is all banned up

[Mountain Man]

Kaleb wrote:
> Oops. I blame Mao, why in the world would he put banned in the subject, geez
>

No Wilton ATTABOY... but perhaps a GOTCHA.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Cyclical vibration

[Curt Raymond]

Does it sound/feel different when you go around turns? I'm thinking about front 
wheel bearings. My first 240D had a rumbly grumbly when I first got it that my 
Indy couldn't seem to hear. I finally got him to do the front wheel bearings 
and it fixed it.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 20:16:30 -0500
From: DC Nichols 
To: "mercedes@okiebenz.com" 
Subject: [MBZ] Cyclical vibration
Message-ID: <55bd4011-b2b5-4889-a77f-164f8f60e...@yahoo.com>
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Hi all, new member here and new owner of an 84' 300D. Being brand new to these 
cars I don't have a point of reference. 

I have a cyclical rumble felt in the seat from about 30mph up. It occurs 
primarily when engine is under load (accelerating or maintaining speed up a 
hill). Its about one second on, one off. Seems like it might get slightly 
faster with speed. It's not terribly annoying but would like to fix it if 
possible. 

Flex discs and carrier bearing look good. Both have about 80k. New engine and 
trans mounts. Transmission has about 80k miles on it. One new axle half shaft. 
One old one but boots are intact. Driveshaft has one weight on it that I could 
find. 

Someone told me this is the natural vibes of a straight 5 cylinder. Not sure if 
i believe that. Thanks in advance for any help you can offer. Also, can anyone 
recommend a good w123 mechanic in the Norman, Moore, Okc area? 

Thanks,
Daniel 


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Re: [MBZ] OT:: Ain't Misbehavin' P-51 Mustang - for WWII AircraftFans

[WILTON]

Yes, probably very distant.

Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:: Ain't Misbehavin' P-51 Mustang - for WWII 
AircraftFans




Wilton wrote:

Got yourself another ATTABOY, Scott.  Thanks!


Text under the video reads:
"Take a ride with Billy Strickland in Birmingham, Alabama in his
beautiful Mustang..."
Ya gotta find your relations to this guy and have him take you up?
Sounds like your distant relative?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[Craig]

On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 20:20:46 -0400 "WILTON"  wrote:

> Almost all of SWMBO's and my activities were in town, 12 miles from
> home. Many times, I'd be at home and had left something I needed in
> town, or I'd be at home and needed something I'd left in town.
> Beautiful, Georgian colonial revival house in town came available at
> very reasonable price - needed "work"/restoration, which I did.

I see.

Here we have to drive a ways to get to what little "town" has.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] okiebenz mail is all banned up

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Oops. I blame Mao, why in the world would he put banned in the subject, geez

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 23, 2013, at 7:45 PM, Craig  wrote:

> On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 19:31:21 -0500 Mountain Man 
> wrote:
> 
>> The owner of okiebenz needs to ban you.
>> Sounds like a dire situation, folks...
>> mao
> 
> And this is not Banned.
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] okiebenz mail is all banned up

[Craig]

On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 19:31:21 -0500 Mountain Man 
wrote:

> The owner of okiebenz needs to ban you.
> Sounds like a dire situation, folks...
> mao

And this is not Banned.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Any TDI folks here?

[Craig]

On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 19:57:04 -0400 Mitch Haley  wrote:

> >> On Jun 23, 2013, at 6:40 PM, Craig wrote:
> >>
> >>> $ 0.09 per gallon of fuel???!!
> > 
> > 
> >  1 mile $ 4.00
> >  x  = 38.9 MPG
> >  $ 0.09 gallon
> > 
> > $ 0.10 / mile => 35.0 MPG
> > 
> > $ 0.11 / mile => 31.8 MPG
> > 
> > 
> > Will a W210 do 30 MPG?
> > 
> 
> Huh? $4.00/40 miles = 10 cents per mile at 40 mpg.

Now _I_ made a mistake. I had originally computed with $4.00/gallon, but
decided that was to high, so I changed to $3.50/gallon. I changed
everything except the $ 4.00 in the first line. Oops.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] okiebenz mail is all banned up

[Mountain Man]

Kaleb wrote:
> Fuck you

The owner of okiebenz needs to ban you.
Sounds like a dire situation, folks...
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT:: Ain't Misbehavin' P-51 Mustang - for WWII Aircraft Fans

[Mountain Man]

Wilton wrote:
> Got yourself another ATTABOY, Scott.  Thanks!

Text under the video reads:
"Take a ride with Billy Strickland in Birmingham, Alabama in his
beautiful Mustang..."
Ya gotta find your relations to this guy and have him take you up?
Sounds like your distant relative?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] okiebenz mail is all banned up

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Fuck you

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 23, 2013, at 7:08 PM, Mountain Man  wrote:

> Posted 9-days ago and just now showing up?
> And half the other posts today were all posted many days ago.
> I say okiebenz mail is all banned-up.
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Any TDI folks here?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

5 speed NA 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 23, 2013, at 7:08 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
>> My 210 e300 usually does 32 or so
> 
> 4sp NA or overdrive turbo?
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[WILTON]

Almost all of SWMBO's and my activities were in town, 12 miles from home. 
Many times, I'd be at home and had left something I needed in town, or I'd 
be at home and needed something I'd left in town.  Beautiful, Georgian 
colonial revival house in town came available at very reasonable price - 
needed "work"/restoration, which I did.


Wilton

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Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL



On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 16:44:25 -0400 "WILTON"  wrote:


Sure miss my nice, roomy enclosed garage at the house I designed and
built 34/35 years ago; moved from there to an old house in town 25
years ago.


Now why would you go and do that?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Any TDI folks here?

[Mitch Haley]

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

My 210 e300 usually does 32 or so


4sp NA or overdrive turbo?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] For Those W116 Lovers Out There...

[Dan Penoff]

My 250 LWB had velour that was ordered with the car.  Not sure why - it didn't 
wear well and was difficult to clean.

Dan

On Jun 23, 2013, at 8:01 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

> Velour was available in some US models as a special order option.  Its
> quite rare.
> 
> Once upon a time I came across an US 300SD with velour interior:
> http://images.jaimekop.com/2001_10_03_300SD_Velour/
> 
> And more recently a 380SEL and 300D.  But I'm never managed to own a car
> with it.  But I've had a few euro cars with cloth interior.
> 
> Jaime


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[MBZ] okiebenz mail is all banned up

[Mountain Man]

Posted 9-days ago and just now showing up?
And half the other posts today were all posted many days ago.
I say okiebenz mail is all banned-up.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Random orbit polisher/waxer

[Mountain Man]

--R wrote:
> Anything from HF with more than one moving part is likely to fail sooner
> rather than later.

Real fukcers don't by shit made by communist under age workers living
in communist squalor!
We are fukced!!
mao

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Re: [MBZ] For Those W116 Lovers Out There...

[Jaime Kopchinski]

Velour was available in some US models as a special order option.  Its
quite rare.

Once upon a time I came across an US 300SD with velour interior:
http://images.jaimekop.com/2001_10_03_300SD_Velour/

And more recently a 380SEL and 300D.  But I'm never managed to own a car
with it.  But I've had a few euro cars with cloth interior.

Jaime



On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 6:21 PM, Chris James  wrote:

> Yes, very nice! Reasonably priced too.
>
> I did catch the fact the door inserts are velour though, so the seats
> have been redone in either Tex or Leather. Don't see too many cars with
> velour, too bad they didn't try & source it.
>
> Looks like it's still available (velour upholstery material):
> http://www.cabrio.de/khm/**index.php?option=com_content&**
> view=article&id=15&Itemid=16&**lang=en
>
>
> Anyone on the list have an MB with a velour interior?
>
>
>
>
> On 6/23/2013 5:40 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
>
>> Looks like a really nice example:
>>
>> http://www.benzworld.org/**forums/sale-wanted-trade-**
>> giveaway/1717176-fs-socal-**1977-450sel-3-500-a.html#**post5827496
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Dan
>
>
>
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> '85 190D 2.2, '94 E420, '87 260E
>
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Re: [MBZ] Jaime - Command Unit Source?

[Jaime Kopchinski]

An 07 would be an E550, and it would have Harman Becker NTG1.  Although the
system shows it age today, its still quite nice.  I wouldn't hesitate to
buy a car with it.

The '09 C would be a more modern NTG4 made by Mitsubishi. I don't have any
personal experience with it, but I haven't heard anything bad.

Jaime



On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Alex Chamberlain
wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Jaime Kopchinski  >wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Unfortunately, not all of these units are as well supported as the
> > Harman/Becker units after the warranty is over :-)
> >
> >
> >
> What kind does an '07 E430 or E550 have?  How about an '09 C300 4Matic?
>
> Alex
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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Any TDI folks here?

[Mitch Haley]

Craig wrote:

On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 18:42:47 -0400 Dan Penoff  wrote:


Methinks he meant "mile", not gallon.

Dan

On Jun 23, 2013, at 6:40 PM, Craig wrote:


$ 0.09 per gallon of fuel???!!



 1 mile $ 4.00
 x  = 38.9 MPG
 $ 0.09 gallon

$ 0.10 / mile => 35.0 MPG

$ 0.11 / mile => 31.8 MPG


Will a W210 do 30 MPG?



Huh? $4.00/40 miles = 10 cents per mile at 40 mpg.

I figured, first order approximation, 45mpg at 9 cents and 36mpg at 11 cents.

A 210 4matic wagon can do 30 mpg, but not at 70 mph (mine has almost 250k and 
can do it at 60-62mph).


A 210 turbo 2wd sedan should get somewhere over 35 mpg on a 56 mile hwy trip, 
shouldn't it?


I know we've had people here with 98-99 E300Ds, but none of them have spoken up 
today.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Any TDI folks here?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

My 210 e300 usually does 32 or so

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 23, 2013, at 6:36 PM, Craig  wrote:

> On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 18:42:47 -0400 Dan Penoff  wrote:
> 
>> Methinks he meant "mile", not gallon.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> On Jun 23, 2013, at 6:40 PM, Craig wrote:
>> 
>>> $ 0.09 per gallon of fuel???!!
> 
> 
> 1 mile $ 4.00
>  x  = 38.9 MPG
> $ 0.09 gallon
> 
> $ 0.10 / mile => 35.0 MPG
> 
> $ 0.11 / mile => 31.8 MPG
> 
> 
> Will a W210 do 30 MPG?
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Any TDI folks here?

[Mitch Haley]

Dan Penoff wrote:

Methinks he meant "mile", not gallon.


Yep.
Can't believe I did that.

If Curt really cares about fuel cost, he could always get a first generation 
Insight with stick shift. 65-70mpg on 87 octane gasahol.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Any TDI folks here?

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Craig  wrote:

>
>
>
> Will a W210 do 30 MPG?
>
>
I'd be surprised if the turbo OM606 didn't.  The '95 diesel W124 with the
NA 606 easily gets 30 mpg, and the 210 chassis has a significantly better
Cd than the 124 (which was no slouch in its day).

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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Any TDI folks here?

[Craig]

On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 18:42:47 -0400 Dan Penoff  wrote:

> Methinks he meant "mile", not gallon.
> 
> Dan
> 
> On Jun 23, 2013, at 6:40 PM, Craig wrote:
> 
> > $ 0.09 per gallon of fuel???!!


 1 mile $ 4.00
 x  = 38.9 MPG
 $ 0.09 gallon

$ 0.10 / mile => 35.0 MPG

$ 0.11 / mile => 31.8 MPG


Will a W210 do 30 MPG?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] W123 combi gauge difference?

[Jim Cathey]

The layout ... W123 combi gauge ... different between a 240D and a 
300TD.  Anyone know why?


Just guessing, but perhaps the advent of the 'economy' gauge
(on some models in the line) caused it?  Remember that they use
a _lot_ of common parts across the line.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Cyclical vibration

[Jim Cathey]

I have a cyclical rumble felt in the seat from about 30mph up. It 
occurs primarily when engine is under load (accelerating or 
maintaining speed up a hill). Its about one second on, one off.


Driveline frequency, or wheel?  The former is about 3x the latter.
Has the driveline been removed/operated upon by the unworthy, perhaps
misaligning the halves?  Lotsa rubber that can be replaced under
there that might affect this.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[Craig]

On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 16:44:25 -0400 "WILTON"  wrote:

> Sure miss my nice, roomy enclosed garage at the house I designed and
> built 34/35 years ago; moved from there to an old house in town 25
> years ago.

Now why would you go and do that?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Jaime - Command Unit Source?

[Dan Penoff]

I don't have details at this point.  I gave him Ed's number and web address.  I 
really don't want to get sucked into something I have no knowledge of - lots of 
calories burned without a productive outcome.

Thanks,

Dan

On Jun 23, 2013, at 2:13 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

> Hm... 2007 R is Alpine's NTG2 unit.  Dealer is probably insane in price.
> What does dead mean?  No response at all?  No audio?  Could be another
> component that looks like a head unit problem.
> 
> The guys at Becker Auto Sound might be able to fix it or have another unit
> to exchange.  Otherwise, dealer is the only source.  Alpine did some
> service, but I'm not sure what they do these days.  Maybe outsourced like
> everyone else.
> 
> Unfortunately, not all of these units are as well supported as the
> Harman/Becker units after the warranty is over :-)
> 
> Jaime
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Any TDI folks here?

[Dan Penoff]

Methinks he meant "mile", not gallon.

Dan

On Jun 23, 2013, at 6:40 PM, Craig wrote:

> On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 12:20:32 -0400 Mitch Haley  wrote:
> 
>> For the sake of round numbers, let us assume you will drive the car
>> 2000 miles per month. Let us also assume a TDI will cost 9 cents per
>> gallon for fuel, or 10 cents if automatic transmission. Assume a turbo
>> W210 costs 11 cents per gallon. Is it worth $40 a month in fuel to not
>> be riding in a VW?
> 
> $ 0.09 per gallon of fuel???!!
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Any TDI folks here?

[Craig]

On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 12:20:32 -0400 Mitch Haley  wrote:

> For the sake of round numbers, let us assume you will drive the car
> 2000 miles per month. Let us also assume a TDI will cost 9 cents per
> gallon for fuel, or 10 cents if automatic transmission. Assume a turbo
> W210 costs 11 cents per gallon. Is it worth $40 a month in fuel to not
> be riding in a VW?

$ 0.09 per gallon of fuel???!!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] For Those W116 Lovers Out There...

[Chris James]

Yes, very nice! Reasonably priced too.

I did catch the fact the door inserts are velour though, so the seats
have been redone in either Tex or Leather. Don't see too many cars with
velour, too bad they didn't try & source it.

Looks like it's still available (velour upholstery material):
http://www.cabrio.de/khm/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=15&Itemid=16&lang=en


Anyone on the list have an MB with a velour interior?



On 6/23/2013 5:40 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

Looks like a really nice example:

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/1717176-fs-socal-1977-450sel-3-500-a.html#post5827496





Dan



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Re: [MBZ] OT:: Ain't Misbehavin' P-51 Mustang - for WWII Aircraft Fans

[WILTON]

Got yourself another ATTABOY, Scott.  Thanks!

Wilton

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Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 5:36 PM
Subject: [MBZ] OT:: Ain't Misbehavin' P-51 Mustang - for WWII Aircraft Fans



Don't miss the last few seconds.


http://vimeo.com/36034351

Footnote:  P-51 was awesome but according to my dad (who flew P-47s in
China, mostly air-to-mud) the P-51 engine was water-cooled and the cooling
system was quite vulnerable to small-arms ground fire.  Baring 
catastrophe,
the P-47s always came back to base but losing at least one P-51 per 
mission

was par for the course.







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[MBZ] For Those W116 Lovers Out There...

[Dan Penoff]

Looks like a really nice example:

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/1717176-fs-socal-1977-450sel-3-500-a.html#post5827496

Dan
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[MBZ] OT:: Ain't Misbehavin' P-51 Mustang - for WWII Aircraft Fans

[Scott Ritchey]

Don't miss the last few seconds.


 http://vimeo.com/36034351

Footnote:  P-51 was awesome but according to my dad (who flew P-47s in
China, mostly air-to-mud) the P-51 engine was water-cooled and the cooling
system was quite vulnerable to small-arms ground fire.  Baring catastrophe,
the P-47s always came back to base but losing at least one P-51 per mission
was par for the course.

 

 

 

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Re: [MBZ] Jaime - Command Unit Source?

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

>
>
> Unfortunately, not all of these units are as well supported as the
> Harman/Becker units after the warranty is over :-)
>
>
>
What kind does an '07 E430 or E550 have?  How about an '09 C300 4Matic?

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] VW 2004 TDI wagon tail light bulb replacement

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Rick Hawkins Java  wrote:

> Folks,
>
> A friend just purchased a 2004 tdi wagon from some dealer for, i think,
> about $8000 which doesn't sound like all that good a price to me.
>
> He brought it by yesterday evening and i drove it around the block, so to
> speak, including about a mile of freeway. It's auto and i was underwhelmed
> with the car and the performance.


Then something's wrong with it.  An '04 TDI should be as fast as an '87
300D, meaning much faster than any 617 car in the best of tune.  They are
*not* slow.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] not mine 300td

[Andrew Strasfogel]

I paid $650 for a drive train from a rusty car I test drove. The po removed
the drive train and dropped it to the back of my pickup truck.
On Jun 23, 2013 10:25 AM, "Mitch Haley"  wrote:

> Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
>> Not for me. I only have blue interiors.
>>
>
> But when you wanted a 1985 wagon drivetrain, would you have paid $850 for
> two of them?
>
> Mitch.
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[MBZ] 91 350SDL

[WILTON]

Just started 350SDL with just a touch of the starter after sitting untouched 
for 2 weeks; drove front wheels up onto some solid, 3-inch thick bricks to 
improve access under front of the car for lower rad hose replacement; removed 
hose from bottom of expansion tank and bottom of radiator, and it started 
raining.  Maybe I can get it done tomorrow.  Sure miss my nice, roomy enclosed 
garage at the house I designed and built 34/35 years ago; moved from there to 
an old house in town 25 years ago.

Wilton

 
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Re: [MBZ] My HorrificTrip...... Charles K. Scruggs

[WILTON]

Instead of wasting all of that money on Scammer Scruggs, send half that to 
me and let me put it to good use helping to educate a grndson or 
grndaughter.


Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] My HorrificTrip.. Charles K. Scruggs




Looks like it's time for Scruggs to change his password.

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From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Scruggs
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:14 AM
To: undisclosed recipients:
Subject: [MBZ] My HorrificTrip.. Charles K. Scruggs

I really hope you get this fast. I could not inform anyone about our trip,
because it was impromptu. we had to be in Philippines for Tour.. The 
program
was successful, but our journey has turned sour. we misplaced our wallet 
and
cell phone on our way back to the hotel we lodge in after we went for 
sight
seeing. The wallet contained all the valuables we had. Now, our passport 
is

in custody of the hotel management pending when we make payment.

I am sorry if i am inconveniencing you, but i have only very few people to
run to now. i will be indeed very grateful if i can get a short term loan
from you ($2,460). this will enable me sort our hotel bills and get my 
sorry

self back home. I will really appreciate whatever you can afford in
assisting me with. I promise to refund it in full as soon as soon as I
return. let me know if you can be of any assistance. Please, let me know
soonest.

Thanks so much.

Charles K. Scruggs

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Re: [MBZ] Random orbit polisher/waxer

[Rich Thomas]

Anything from HF with more than one moving part is likely to fail sooner 
rather than later.  That said, I bought one of their big wet tile saws, 
and was quite pleased with it.  It took some occasional "maintenance" 
but it did very well.  And the $20 recip saw is still going strong, 
surprisingly, after getting used quite severely.


--R

On 6/23/13 4:08 PM, G. M. Brown wrote:

Some of you responded awhile back regarding my post inquiring about a random orbit 
polisher/waxer as I've been getting tired of waxing my cars by hand.  I ended up 
going cheap (Harbor Freight Chicago 10" Random Orbit Polisher/Waxer, Model 
43424) and I'll be returning it tomorrow for a refund/replacement as something broke 
internally as there were little metal pieces being tossed about.  I wasn't able to 
wax my '85 300TD completely before this occurred, thank goodness it's only ~1M old 
and their warranty is 90 days.  This info. just in case any of you are considering 
the same thing . . . a word of warning.

  


G. M. Brown

Brevard, NC

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[MBZ] Random orbit polisher/waxer

[G. M. Brown]

Some of you responded awhile back regarding my post inquiring about a random 
orbit polisher/waxer as I've been getting tired of waxing my cars by hand.  I 
ended up going cheap (Harbor Freight Chicago 10" Random Orbit Polisher/Waxer, 
Model 43424) and I'll be returning it tomorrow for a refund/replacement as 
something broke internally as there were little metal pieces being tossed 
about.  I wasn't able to wax my '85 300TD completely before this occurred, 
thank goodness it's only ~1M old and their warranty is 90 days.  This info. 
just in case any of you are considering the same thing . . . a word of warning.

 

G. M. Brown

Brevard, NC
  
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Re: [MBZ] Rod bender repairs [was: Re: Any TDI folks here?}

[Scott Ritchey]

You know, I love my 126 SD, I loved my 123 TD, and I wouldn't mind having a
124.  But I'm not sure I'd have a new MBZ, even for free.  IMO, reputation
was (and WAS is the operative word here) Mercedes' strongest asset.  One
story like this overrides hundreds of positive reports.  Major engine
failure with less than 200K miles is just unacceptable for a modern car with
scheduled maintenance.

But I'm sure MBUSA isn't interested in my opinion.

Scott
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rod bender repairs [was: Re: Any TDI folks here?}

MBUSA denied any and everything.  'Claimed "poor maintenance," though I had 
history of all proper maintenance, oil changes, etc., done at stealer's 
prior to my purchase at 69/70 kmi.

Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rod bender repairs [was: Re: Any TDI folks here?}


> WILTON wrote:
>> Your supposition is wrong.  MB paid "half" cost of parts, and they held 
>> the price list, so you know how that went, don't you?  I paid $2800.
>
> And this was one of the admittedly (MBUSA did admit it, right?) defective 
> timing chains from the early 1990s.
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Cyclical vibration

[Gerry Archer]

It's been my experience that the first thing to check when one has any kind 
of vibration is tires.  Sometimes one can feel a tread separation just by 
carefully feeling for it on each tire.  The next thing is to jack up each 
end of the car and lay a straight edge on a block close to the tread and 
slowly turn the wheel.  After that, rotating the tires front to back can be 
diagnostic if that changes the frequency/interval of the vibration.  If so, 
take the car to a good tire shop for rebalancing and professional checks.
If no luck after that, then I check the tie rod ends and other parts of the 
front end for looseness.  Also check the wheel lugs for looseness.
I put a large pipe wrench on the drive shaft and twist it while closely 
looking at the flex discs for cracks in the rubber.  I make sure and put the 
pipe wrench close to the ends of the drive shaft links so the drive shaft 
"tube" won't be deformed.  The rubber mount for the carrier bearing should 
be moveable but not loosely moveable.


If none of that is diagnostic, then perhaps some of the real pros on this 
list can suggest more serious problems to look for.

Gerry
'83 300D
'83 240D



Hi all, new member here and new owner of an 84' 300D. Being brand new to
these cars I don't have a point of reference.

I have a cyclical rumble felt in the seat from about 30mph up. It occurs
primarily when engine is under load (accelerating or maintaining speed up 
a

hill). Its about one second on, one off. Seems like it might get slightly
faster with speed. It's not terribly annoying but would like to fix it if
possible.

Flex discs and carrier bearing look good. Both have about 80k. New engine
and trans mounts. Transmission has about 80k miles on it. One new axle 
half

shaft. One old one but boots are intact. Driveshaft has one weight on it
that I could find.

Someone told me this is the natural vibes of a straight 5 cylinder. Not
sure if i believe that. Thanks in advance for any help you can offer. 
Also,

can anyone recommend a good w123 mechanic in the Norman, Moore, Okc area?

Thanks,
Daniel
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Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

[Curt Raymond]

Which explains the high cost of his TB replacement vs what I would expect.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 23, 2013, at 2:53 PM, David Bruckmann  
wrote:

> All the 99.5 and later TDIs (Golf, Jetta, Beetle are all on the same 
> platform) have this issue with single-use stretch bolts not being replaced 
> and failing.
> 
> 
> At 2:48 PM -0400 6/23/13, Curt Raymond wrote:
>> Somebody mentioned how the engine in the Beetle sits up under the 
>> windshield. On the Jetta it's pretty well out in the open. Not like a 240D, 
>> more like a 190.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
> 

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Re: [MBZ] Cyclical vibration

[OK Don]

Welcome to the group!
I would suspect the flex disks or carrier bearing even though they only
have 80k on them.
There are no "natural vibes" that haven't been dampened by MB - that should
be one smooth running car.

I used to live in Norman, but the only decent MB wrench that I know has
since gone to that great MB achive in the sky (RIP), sorry.


On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 8:16 PM, DC Nichols  wrote:

> Hi all, new member here and new owner of an 84' 300D. Being brand new to
> these cars I don't have a point of reference.
>
> I have a cyclical rumble felt in the seat from about 30mph up. It occurs
> primarily when engine is under load (accelerating or maintaining speed up a
> hill). Its about one second on, one off. Seems like it might get slightly
> faster with speed. It's not terribly annoying but would like to fix it if
> possible.
>
> Flex discs and carrier bearing look good. Both have about 80k. New engine
> and trans mounts. Transmission has about 80k miles on it. One new axle half
> shaft. One old one but boots are intact. Driveshaft has one weight on it
> that I could find.
>
> Someone told me this is the natural vibes of a straight 5 cylinder. Not
> sure if i believe that. Thanks in advance for any help you can offer. Also,
> can anyone recommend a good w123 mechanic in the Norman, Moore, Okc area?
>
> Thanks,
> Daniel
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Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

[David Bruckmann]

All the 99.5 and later TDIs (Golf, Jetta, Beetle are all on the same platform) 
have this issue with single-use stretch bolts not being replaced and failing.


At 2:48 PM -0400 6/23/13, Curt Raymond wrote:
>Somebody mentioned how the engine in the Beetle sits up under the windshield. 
>On the Jetta it's pretty well out in the open. Not like a 240D, more like a 
>190.
>
>Sent from my iPhone


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Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

[Curt Raymond]

Somebody mentioned how the engine in the Beetle sits up under the windshield. 
On the Jetta it's pretty well out in the open. Not like a 240D, more like a 190.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 23, 2013, at 1:56 PM, David Bruckmann  
wrote:

> Maybe not on a 98, but on Hans' 2001 TDI it is definitely involved. 
> 
> On 2013-06-23, at 10:45, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
>> On a 98 Jetta? I don't see where an engine mount has to be disturbed in the 
>> process. 
>> 
>> Curt
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jun 23, 2013, at 1:25 PM, David Bruckmann 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Very important to check that they used NEW stretch bolts whenever they 
>>> touch the timing belt or water pump because the engine mount is integral to 
>>> that whole procedure. If not you will find your engine on the GROUND 
>>> sometime thereafter. Many, many, many reports on tdiclub.com of dealers not 
>>> replacing those bolts and the results can be quite unpleasant...
>>> 
>>> Check the parts listed on the service invoice. If the bolts aren't there, 
>>> you'll want to go back to the stealer/shop for an explanation. 
>>> 
>>> D. 
>>> 
>>> On 2013-06-23 Curt Raymond wrote: 
>>> 
 Theres a video on Youtube covering the TB replacement on a '98, it looks 
 like about a 2 hour job but needs a few special tools. The water pump is 
 probably another hour or so.
 I found the TB with tensioner etc for about $150, figure another $100 for 
 water pump while you're there, not a bad day for a home mechanic.
 
 -Curt
 
> Sun, 23 Jun 2013, Hans Neureiter wrote:
> 
> Have a 01 New Beetle 1.9L TDI. Can't hear the turbo. TB replacement ran ~ 
> $
> 800.? It included water pump,thermostat. serpentine belt and tensioner
> idlers.
 

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Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point

[WILTON]

Only # on hose is MB A 126 500 0875.

Wilton

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Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point



WILTON wrote:
I got supposedly Genuine Original Equipment Replacement rad hose from 
Keenan Motors (MB dealer in PA) few days ago.




Any obvious date codes on it?
When I lost an oil cooler hose on my 1979 300SD, the hose itself was 
clearly marked 7/79. (it didn't die of old age when it failed in 2002, a 
collapsed motor mount let a belt drive accessory cut the hose)


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Rod bender repairs

[WILTON]

Indie tried to talk me out of replacing at 105+ kmi on the chain.  'Told 
'im, "Original broke at 79 kmi; I don't trust it; replace it."


Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rod bender repairs



4 degrees seems like a lot of stretch.  What's the spec?

Dan


On Jun 23, 2013, at 2:06 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:


WILTON wrote:
Well, maybe I did, though, 'didn't trust the one replaced at 79 kmi past 
about 100 kmi; did precautionary replacement at ~185 kmi on the car.


Any idea what the stretch was on it when it was replaced?

Found this comment on a '93 300D chain failure:

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/203906-602-timing-chain-ever-see-one-break.html

Yep, mine (broke) this past weekend. 1993 300D 2.5 turbo. I actually had 
the chain inspected about 3 months ago (4 degrees of stretch). I was 
ready to replace it at the time, but my MB diesel specialist talked me 
out of itI must have really pissed someone off in a previous life. 
Perfect car except for the toasted engine.


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Re: [MBZ] Jaime - Command Unit Source?

[Jaime Kopchinski]

Hm... 2007 R is Alpine's NTG2 unit.  Dealer is probably insane in price.
 What does dead mean?  No response at all?  No audio?  Could be another
component that looks like a head unit problem.

The guys at Becker Auto Sound might be able to fix it or have another unit
to exchange.  Otherwise, dealer is the only source.  Alpine did some
service, but I'm not sure what they do these days.  Maybe outsourced like
everyone else.

Unfortunately, not all of these units are as well supported as the
Harman/Becker units after the warranty is over :-)

Jaime



On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> Jaime,
>
> What's the best source for a used Command unit for a 2007 R350?  Owner
> says theirs is dead.
>
> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Rod bender repairs

[WILTON]

No.  Asked indie to measure it; response when I asked what it was:  "Oh, I 
forgot."


Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rod bender repairs



WILTON wrote:
Well, maybe I did, though, 'didn't trust the one replaced at 79 kmi past 
about 100 kmi; did precautionary replacement at ~185 kmi on the car.


Any idea what the stretch was on it when it was replaced?

Found this comment on a '93 300D chain failure:

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/203906-602-timing-chain-ever-see-one-break.html

Yep, mine (broke) this past weekend. 1993 300D 2.5 turbo. I actually had 
the chain inspected about 3 months ago (4 degrees of stretch). I was ready 
to replace it at the time, but my MB diesel specialist talked me out of 
itI must have really pissed someone off in a previous life. Perfect 
car except for the toasted engine.


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Re: [MBZ] Rod bender repairs

[Mitch Haley]

Dan Penoff wrote:

4 degrees seems like a lot of stretch.  What's the spec?


I think it's 6° for 61x and 3 or 4° for 60x.
I'd be real unhappy if my indy told me it wasn't worth replacing at the factory 
wear limit.


Mitch

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Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point

[Mitch Haley]

WILTON wrote:
I got supposedly Genuine Original Equipment Replacement rad hose from 
Keenan Motors (MB dealer in PA) few days ago.




Any obvious date codes on it?
When I lost an oil cooler hose on my 1979 300SD, the hose itself was clearly 
marked 7/79. (it didn't die of old age when it failed in 2002, a collapsed motor 
mount let a belt drive accessory cut the hose)


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point

[Dan Penoff]

If it came from Keenan it's OE.

Dan


On Jun 23, 2013, at 2:08 PM, WILTON wrote:

> I got supposedly Genuine Original Equipment Replacement rad hose from Keenan 
> Motors (MB dealer in PA) few days ago.
> 
> Wilton
> 


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Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point

[WILTON]

I got supposedly Genuine Original Equipment Replacement rad hose from Keenan 
Motors (MB dealer in PA) few days ago.


Wilton

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Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 1:52 PM
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Jabba tells me the only rad hoses he can get for the SD are Urotrash, 
suggests checking them often after installation.  There might be some 
OE(M) available but they are likely older rubber, so whether those would 
then last any longer than Urotrash is questionable.


--R


On 6/23/13 1:31 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

No.

I suggest Gary @ http://www.buyeuroparts.com/

I have placed two orders with him in the last week.  Both were priced 
very competitively and arrived on time and correct as ordered.  I 
received tracking information within 24 hours of placing my order and was 
not charged until the parts shipped.


Probably the best thing about Gary is his willingness to tell you he 
can't or won't get an aftermarket part due to quality issues.  One of the 
big problem with the mass-market parts retailers is their propensity to 
use low quality high margin (for them) parts from Asian supplier, such as 
URO.  This is why you see such "deals" from these places.  Ask them who 
the part manufacturer is and you'll understand why.


A good example of his willingness to forego a sale due to quality would 
be when I talked to him about front brake rotors for my S500. I can get 
OE rotors for $85/each from my local dealer.  He can get OEM rotors for 
slightly less, maybe $75/each.  They are most likely the same, but 
understanding that I want guaranteed quality on a brake or suspension 
part, he agreed that the OE part was the better way to go in my case.


Dan


On Jun 10, 2013, at 7:13 PM, William Jackson wrote:

Anyone have any experience with Pelican Parts or German Auto Parts. Both 
are

advertising good prices but I don't know much about the companies?

William



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Re: [MBZ] Rod bender repairs

[Dan Penoff]

4 degrees seems like a lot of stretch.  What's the spec?

Dan


On Jun 23, 2013, at 2:06 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

> WILTON wrote:
>> Well, maybe I did, though, 'didn't trust the one replaced at 79 kmi past 
>> about 100 kmi; did precautionary replacement at ~185 kmi on the car.
> 
> Any idea what the stretch was on it when it was replaced?
> 
> Found this comment on a '93 300D chain failure:
> 
> http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/203906-602-timing-chain-ever-see-one-break.html
> 
> Yep, mine (broke) this past weekend. 1993 300D 2.5 turbo. I actually had the 
> chain inspected about 3 months ago (4 degrees of stretch). I was ready to 
> replace it at the time, but my MB diesel specialist talked me out of itI 
> must have really pissed someone off in a previous life. Perfect car except 
> for the toasted engine.
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Re: [MBZ] Rod bender repairs

[Mitch Haley]

WILTON wrote:
Well, maybe I did, though, 'didn't trust the one replaced at 79 kmi past 
about 100 kmi; did precautionary replacement at ~185 kmi on the car.


Any idea what the stretch was on it when it was replaced?

Found this comment on a '93 300D chain failure:

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/203906-602-timing-chain-ever-see-one-break.html

Yep, mine (broke) this past weekend. 1993 300D 2.5 turbo. I actually had the 
chain inspected about 3 months ago (4 degrees of stretch). I was ready to 
replace it at the time, but my MB diesel specialist talked me out of itI 
must have really pissed someone off in a previous life. Perfect car except for 
the toasted engine.


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[MBZ] Jaime - Command Unit Source?

[Dan Penoff]

Jaime,

What's the best source for a used Command unit for a 2007 R350?  Owner says 
theirs is dead.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point

[WILTON]

Same here, Dan.

Wilton

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Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 1:31 PM
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No.

I suggest Gary @ http://www.buyeuroparts.com/

I have placed two orders with him in the last week.  Both were priced very 
competitively and arrived on time and correct as ordered.  I received 
tracking information within 24 hours of placing my order and was not 
charged until the parts shipped.


Probably the best thing about Gary is his willingness to tell you he can't 
or won't get an aftermarket part due to quality issues.  One of the big 
problem with the mass-market parts retailers is their propensity to use 
low quality high margin (for them) parts from Asian supplier, such as URO. 
This is why you see such "deals" from these places.  Ask them who the part 
manufacturer is and you'll understand why.


A good example of his willingness to forego a sale due to quality would be 
when I talked to him about front brake rotors for my S500. I can get OE 
rotors for $85/each from my local dealer.  He can get OEM rotors for 
slightly less, maybe $75/each.  They are most likely the same, but 
understanding that I want guaranteed quality on a brake or suspension 
part, he agreed that the OE part was the better way to go in my case.


Dan


On Jun 10, 2013, at 7:13 PM, William Jackson wrote:

Anyone have any experience with Pelican Parts or German Auto Parts. Both 
are

advertising good prices but I don't know much about the companies?

William




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Re: [MBZ] Rod bender repairs

[WILTON]

That's what the "word" was at that time; no talk of bad chains then, though.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Mitch Haley" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rod bender repairs



Chris James wrote:



If an original 3.5L OM603 engine has made it 20yrs/150Kmi and currently
has no issues, I would think it's safe to assume it not a "Rod bender".
Many did have issues though (usually just outside of the warranty, IIRC)
& I'm not sure if a definite answer of why this was occurring has ever
been found out.



The only theory I know that explains the fact that #1 rod is almost always 
the first to fail is head gasket failure and oil going into cylinder #1.


OM601/602/603 always tended to get head gasket leaks at the front, the 
larger bore of the 350 seems to increase the likelihood of the oil going 
into the cylinder instead of outside the engine.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

[Brian Toscano]

The TB on the '98 is easier.  Once you get good a the A4 chassis they can
be done pretty quickly but the process is definitely different than on the
A3.


On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 11:56 AM, David Bruckmann <
bruckma...@transcontinental.ca> wrote:

> Maybe not on a 98, but on Hans' 2001 TDI it is definitely involved.
>
> On 2013-06-23, at 10:45, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>
> > On a 98 Jetta? I don't see where an engine mount has to be disturbed in
> the process.
> >
> > Curt
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Jun 23, 2013, at 1:25 PM, David Bruckmann <
> bruckma...@transcontinental.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> Very important to check that they used NEW stretch bolts whenever they
> touch the timing belt or water pump because the engine mount is integral to
> that whole procedure. If not you will find your engine on the GROUND
> sometime thereafter. Many, many, many reports on tdiclub.com of dealers
> not replacing those bolts and the results can be quite unpleasant...
> >>
> >> Check the parts listed on the service invoice. If the bolts aren't
> there, you'll want to go back to the stealer/shop for an explanation.
> >>
> >> D.
> >>
> >> On 2013-06-23 Curt Raymond wrote:
> >>
> >>> Theres a video on Youtube covering the TB replacement on a '98, it
> looks like about a 2 hour job but needs a few special tools. The water pump
> is probably another hour or so.
> >>> I found the TB with tensioner etc for about $150, figure another $100
> for water pump while you're there, not a bad day for a home mechanic.
> >>>
> >>> -Curt
> >>>
>  Sun, 23 Jun 2013, Hans Neureiter wrote:
> 
>  Have a 01 New Beetle 1.9L TDI. Can't hear the turbo. TB replacement
> ran ~ $
>  800.? It included water pump,thermostat. serpentine belt and tensioner
>  idlers.
> >>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Rod bender repairs

[WILTON]

Well, maybe I did, though, 'didn't trust the one replaced at 79 kmi past 
about 100 kmi; did precautionary replacement at ~185 kmi on the car.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "WILTON" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rod bender repairs


'Never heard of chronic timing chain problem 'till it was mentioned on 
this list today.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Chris James" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rod bender repairs




Well, being outside the 4yr/50Kmi warranty.at least they paid
something. How disappointing to have that happen though.

Looking back, any warning/symptoms before the chain let go? I think the
defective chain TSB only covers Jul '92 - Apr '94 built models.

http://www.w124performance.com/docs/mb/OM60X/OM60x_Timing_Chain_TSB.pdf

If an original 3.5L OM603 engine has made it 20yrs/150Kmi and currently
has no issues, I would think it's safe to assume it not a "Rod bender".
Many did have issues though (usually just outside of the warranty, IIRC)
& I'm not sure if a definite answer of why this was occurring has ever
been found out.


On 6/23/2013 12:07 PM, WILTON wrote:

Your supposition is wrong.  MB paid "half" cost of parts, and they
held the price list, so you know how that went, don't you?  I paid
$2800.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Craig" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"  Sent: Sunday,
June 23, 2013 11:40 AM Subject: [MBZ] Rod bender repairs [was: Re:
Any TDI folks here?}



On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 10:30:25 -0400 "WILTON" 
wrote:


Timing chain in mine broke at 79 kmi.  Replaced chain, chain
guides, several valves and lifters, head gasket and lots of stuff
I don't remember.  Milled head.  Walt's has crate engine from
Mercedes.


I suppose that since it was at 79 kmi, Mercedes Benz paid for the
repairs.


Craig




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Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

[David Bruckmann]

Maybe not on a 98, but on Hans' 2001 TDI it is definitely involved. 

On 2013-06-23, at 10:45, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> On a 98 Jetta? I don't see where an engine mount has to be disturbed in the 
> process. 
> 
> Curt
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 23, 2013, at 1:25 PM, David Bruckmann  
> wrote:
> 
>> Very important to check that they used NEW stretch bolts whenever they touch 
>> the timing belt or water pump because the engine mount is integral to that 
>> whole procedure. If not you will find your engine on the GROUND sometime 
>> thereafter. Many, many, many reports on tdiclub.com of dealers not replacing 
>> those bolts and the results can be quite unpleasant...
>> 
>> Check the parts listed on the service invoice. If the bolts aren't there, 
>> you'll want to go back to the stealer/shop for an explanation. 
>> 
>> D. 
>> 
>> On 2013-06-23 Curt Raymond wrote: 
>> 
>>> Theres a video on Youtube covering the TB replacement on a '98, it looks 
>>> like about a 2 hour job but needs a few special tools. The water pump is 
>>> probably another hour or so.
>>> I found the TB with tensioner etc for about $150, figure another $100 for 
>>> water pump while you're there, not a bad day for a home mechanic.
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
 Sun, 23 Jun 2013, Hans Neureiter wrote:
 
 Have a 01 New Beetle 1.9L TDI. Can't hear the turbo. TB replacement ran ~ $
 800.? It included water pump,thermostat. serpentine belt and tensioner
 idlers.
>>> 

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Re: [MBZ] Rod bender repairs

[WILTON]

'Never heard of chronic timing chain problem 'till it was mentioned on this 
list today.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Chris James" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rod bender repairs




Well, being outside the 4yr/50Kmi warranty.at least they paid
something. How disappointing to have that happen though.

Looking back, any warning/symptoms before the chain let go? I think the
defective chain TSB only covers Jul '92 - Apr '94 built models.

http://www.w124performance.com/docs/mb/OM60X/OM60x_Timing_Chain_TSB.pdf

If an original 3.5L OM603 engine has made it 20yrs/150Kmi and currently
has no issues, I would think it's safe to assume it not a "Rod bender".
Many did have issues though (usually just outside of the warranty, IIRC)
& I'm not sure if a definite answer of why this was occurring has ever
been found out.


On 6/23/2013 12:07 PM, WILTON wrote:

Your supposition is wrong.  MB paid "half" cost of parts, and they
held the price list, so you know how that went, don't you?  I paid
$2800.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Craig" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"  Sent: Sunday,
June 23, 2013 11:40 AM Subject: [MBZ] Rod bender repairs [was: Re:
Any TDI folks here?}



On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 10:30:25 -0400 "WILTON" 
wrote:


Timing chain in mine broke at 79 kmi.  Replaced chain, chain
guides, several valves and lifters, head gasket and lots of stuff
I don't remember.  Milled head.  Walt's has crate engine from
Mercedes.


I suppose that since it was at 79 kmi, Mercedes Benz paid for the
repairs.


Craig




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Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point

[Rich Thomas]

Jabba tells me the only rad hoses he can get for the SD are Urotrash, 
suggests checking them often after installation.  There might be some 
OE(M) available but they are likely older rubber, so whether those would 
then last any longer than Urotrash is questionable.


--R


On 6/23/13 1:31 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

No.

I suggest Gary @ http://www.buyeuroparts.com/

I have placed two orders with him in the last week.  Both were priced very 
competitively and arrived on time and correct as ordered.  I received tracking 
information within 24 hours of placing my order and was not charged until the 
parts shipped.

Probably the best thing about Gary is his willingness to tell you he can't or won't get 
an aftermarket part due to quality issues.  One of the big problem with the mass-market 
parts retailers is their propensity to use low quality high margin (for them) parts from 
Asian supplier, such as URO.  This is why you see such "deals" from these 
places.  Ask them who the part manufacturer is and you'll understand why.

A good example of his willingness to forego a sale due to quality would be when 
I talked to him about front brake rotors for my S500. I can get OE rotors for 
$85/each from my local dealer.  He can get OEM rotors for slightly less, maybe 
$75/each.  They are most likely the same, but understanding that I want 
guaranteed quality on a brake or suspension part, he agreed that the OE part 
was the better way to go in my case.

Dan


On Jun 10, 2013, at 7:13 PM, William Jackson wrote:


Anyone have any experience with Pelican Parts or German Auto Parts. Both are
advertising good prices but I don't know much about the companies?

William



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[MBZ] Paranoid Conspiracy (Benz content)

[Rich Thomas]

Comment on an exploding Benz

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2346744/Journalist-Michael-Hastings-told-friends-needed-radar-just-hours-died-fiery-car-crash.html

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Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

[Curt Raymond]

On a 98 Jetta? I don't see where an engine mount has to be disturbed in the 
process. 

Curt

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 23, 2013, at 1:25 PM, David Bruckmann  
wrote:

> Very important to check that they used NEW stretch bolts whenever they touch 
> the timing belt or water pump because the engine mount is integral to that 
> whole procedure. If not you will find your engine on the GROUND sometime 
> thereafter. Many, many, many reports on tdiclub.com of dealers not replacing 
> those bolts and the results can be quite unpleasant...
> 
> Check the parts listed on the service invoice. If the bolts aren't there, 
> you'll want to go back to the stealer/shop for an explanation. 
> 
> D. 
> 
> On 2013-06-23 Curt Raymond wrote: 
> 
>> Theres a video on Youtube covering the TB replacement on a '98, it looks 
>> like about a 2 hour job but needs a few special tools. The water pump is 
>> probably another hour or so.
>> I found the TB with tensioner etc for about $150, figure another $100 for 
>> water pump while you're there, not a bad day for a home mechanic.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>>> Sun, 23 Jun 2013, Hans Neureiter wrote:
>>> 
>>> Have a 01 New Beetle 1.9L TDI. Can't hear the turbo. TB replacement ran ~ $
>>> 800.? It included water pump,thermostat. serpentine belt and tensioner
>>> idlers.
>> 

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Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point

[Dan Penoff]

No.

I suggest Gary @ http://www.buyeuroparts.com/

I have placed two orders with him in the last week.  Both were priced very 
competitively and arrived on time and correct as ordered.  I received tracking 
information within 24 hours of placing my order and was not charged until the 
parts shipped.

Probably the best thing about Gary is his willingness to tell you he can't or 
won't get an aftermarket part due to quality issues.  One of the big problem 
with the mass-market parts retailers is their propensity to use low quality 
high margin (for them) parts from Asian supplier, such as URO.  This is why you 
see such "deals" from these places.  Ask them who the part manufacturer is and 
you'll understand why.

A good example of his willingness to forego a sale due to quality would be when 
I talked to him about front brake rotors for my S500. I can get OE rotors for 
$85/each from my local dealer.  He can get OEM rotors for slightly less, maybe 
$75/each.  They are most likely the same, but understanding that I want 
guaranteed quality on a brake or suspension part, he agreed that the OE part 
was the better way to go in my case.

Dan


On Jun 10, 2013, at 7:13 PM, William Jackson wrote:

> Anyone have any experience with Pelican Parts or German Auto Parts. Both are
> advertising good prices but I don't know much about the companies?
> 
> William
> 


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Re: [MBZ] W123 combi gauge difference?

[ernest breakfield]

because (for starters) the tanks are different shapes/capacities? (not 
to mention several years different in design,...)



cheers!
e

On 15/Jun/13 16:11, G. M. Brown wrote:

The layout  of the connections on the back of what I'll call the W123 combi 
gauge (temp./fuel/oil pressure) appear to be different between a 240D and a 
300TD.  Anyone know why?

TIA

G. M. Brown

Brevard, NC



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Re: [MBZ] Rod bender repairs

[Mitch Haley]

Chris James wrote:



If an original 3.5L OM603 engine has made it 20yrs/150Kmi and currently
has no issues, I would think it's safe to assume it not a "Rod bender".
Many did have issues though (usually just outside of the warranty, IIRC)
& I'm not sure if a definite answer of why this was occurring has ever
been found out.



The only theory I know that explains the fact that #1 rod is almost always the 
first to fail is head gasket failure and oil going into cylinder #1.


OM601/602/603 always tended to get head gasket leaks at the front, the larger 
bore of the 350 seems to increase the likelihood of the oil going into the 
cylinder instead of outside the engine.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

[David Bruckmann]

Very important to check that they used NEW stretch bolts whenever they touch 
the timing belt or water pump because the engine mount is integral to that 
whole procedure. If not you will find your engine on the GROUND sometime 
thereafter. Many, many, many reports on tdiclub.com of dealers not replacing 
those bolts and the results can be quite unpleasant...

Check the parts listed on the service invoice. If the bolts aren't there, 
you'll want to go back to the stealer/shop for an explanation. 

D. 

On 2013-06-23 Curt Raymond wrote: 

> Theres a video on Youtube covering the TB replacement on a '98, it looks like 
> about a 2 hour job but needs a few special tools. The water pump is probably 
> another hour or so.
> I found the TB with tensioner etc for about $150, figure another $100 for 
> water pump while you're there, not a bad day for a home mechanic.
> 
> -Curt
> 
>> Sun, 23 Jun 2013, Hans Neureiter wrote:
>> 
>> Have a 01 New Beetle 1.9L TDI. Can't hear the turbo. TB replacement ran ~ $
>> 800.? It included water pump,thermostat. serpentine belt and tensioner
>> idlers.
> 

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Re: [MBZ] I give up!

[ernest breakfield]

what model is the gauge in the picture supposed to be for? because 123 
547 27 57 is the same P/N as the one in our '85 (Cal) 300D.
since the size of the fuel tanks (and possibly even the final drive 
ratio) are different, i find it unlikely that they should be the same. 
seems like you might be working with the wrong gauge cluster for that car.



cheers!
e


On 16/Jun/13 15:32, G. M. Brown wrote:

I know some of you may be a bit annoyed/upset in that I've only presented part 
of the problem/solution here but I would use up considerable bandwidth if I 
were to describe and include all the photos associated with this investigation.
1. I purchased an '85 300TD from my brother in 2010 for which he had recently 
had the fuel tank replaced in order to pass PA inspection due to rust/leakage 
and the fuel gauge started behaving oddly after the fuel tank replacement 
(Note: the odd behavior indicates rather quick indicating to the empty mark 
when the tank is 1/4-1/2 full).
2. I removed, cleaned and reinstalled the sending unit to no avail.  I 
purchased a sending unit from the local PNP, managed to break the 40 gauge 
(mic'd. at 0.008mm) Nichrome wire, obtained Nichrome wire on the I-net, 
repaired both this unit and the original unit, and both behave similarly.
3. I've had two experiences with Ebay sellers where the 1st combi gauge 
(temp/fuel/oil pressure) purchased had a temp gauge which was not working and 
the 2nd was damaged in shipping due to poor packaging. I obtained a combi gauge 
from a 240D at the local PNP and it behaves similarly to the original 300TD 
combi gauge.  I'm including this last photo here fyi as, considering how many 
times I've removed/installed sending units and combi gauges in this vehicle, I 
give up.
  
G. M. Brown

Brevard, NC





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Re: [MBZ] Rod bender repairs

[Chris James]

Well, being outside the 4yr/50Kmi warranty.at least they paid
something. How disappointing to have that happen though.

Looking back, any warning/symptoms before the chain let go? I think the
defective chain TSB only covers Jul '92 - Apr '94 built models.

http://www.w124performance.com/docs/mb/OM60X/OM60x_Timing_Chain_TSB.pdf

If an original 3.5L OM603 engine has made it 20yrs/150Kmi and currently
has no issues, I would think it's safe to assume it not a "Rod bender".
Many did have issues though (usually just outside of the warranty, IIRC)
& I'm not sure if a definite answer of why this was occurring has ever
been found out.


On 6/23/2013 12:07 PM, WILTON wrote:

Your supposition is wrong.  MB paid "half" cost of parts, and they
held the price list, so you know how that went, don't you?  I paid
$2800.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Craig" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"  Sent: Sunday,
June 23, 2013 11:40 AM Subject: [MBZ] Rod bender repairs [was: Re:
Any TDI folks here?}



On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 10:30:25 -0400 "WILTON" 
wrote:


Timing chain in mine broke at 79 kmi.  Replaced chain, chain
guides, several valves and lifters, head gasket and lots of stuff
I don't remember.  Milled head.  Walt's has crate engine from
Mercedes.


I suppose that since it was at 79 kmi, Mercedes Benz paid for the
repairs.


Craig




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[MBZ] Cyclical vibration

[DC Nichols]

Hi all, new member here and new owner of an 84' 300D. Being brand new to these 
cars I don't have a point of reference. 

I have a cyclical rumble felt in the seat from about 30mph up. It occurs 
primarily when engine is under load (accelerating or maintaining speed up a 
hill). Its about one second on, one off. Seems like it might get slightly 
faster with speed. It's not terribly annoying but would like to fix it if 
possible. 

Flex discs and carrier bearing look good. Both have about 80k. New engine and 
trans mounts. Transmission has about 80k miles on it. One new axle half shaft. 
One old one but boots are intact. Driveshaft has one weight on it that I could 
find. 

Someone told me this is the natural vibes of a straight 5 cylinder. Not sure if 
i believe that. Thanks in advance for any help you can offer. Also, can anyone 
recommend a good w123 mechanic in the Norman, Moore, Okc area? 

Thanks,
Daniel 
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Re: [MBZ] rubber rings?

[William]

I doubt you can get them from a parts store but, if you know the size you can 
get them from a business that repairs hydraulic cylinders. As a matter of fact 
I was able to re-seal the fuel shut off valve on my 95 diesel for a whopping 
$1.13 WITH VITON rings. That only saved $120 something bucks!!

William J

Have a good day!!

On Jun 18, 2013, at 12:34 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

> Ok, but I am wondering if I can just wander on over to the local parts store 
> and get them right now, if they are not something unique or special.
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
> On 18/06/2013 11:21 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>> This is where I would trust Tom Hanson the Classic Center.  He provides
>> part numbers and/or sell you the parts as well.  thomas.han...@mbusa.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:
>> 
>>> I think I have asked this question before but I do not recall the answer
>>> so please bear with me.
>>> 
>>> My 115 300D has rubber rings that look similar to the exhaust hanger
>>> rings, holding the radiator in place.
>>> Does anyone know if these are the same as the exhaust hanger rings?
>>> Does anyone know if there are different size rings?
>>> 
>>> They look a bit cracked and it seems it would be wise to change them givne
>>> they cannot cost much and could cause trouble if they were to let go.
>>> 
>>> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] Source of new parts

[William]

Ok, you have my attention. 

William J

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On Jun 18, 2013, at 8:42 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:

> Stay tuned, but okiebenz.com might start selling new parts pretty soon. It 
> will be a way to pay for the list. Stay tuned. 
> 
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[MBZ] Test

[William]

Test 

William J

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Re: [MBZ] ASR Question

[William]

The ASD on my 95 diesel does that from time to time. I have pulled up to a 
traffic light with it on switched the car off then restarted it and the crazy 
light stays off. I figure some ~20 year old sensor isn't reading right. I've 
tested the function right after restart with no issue, it functions. So when it 
flips out and flys into neutral so to speak I just reset it with a restart. 
When that doesn't any longer I'll look into it further. 

William J

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On Jun 16, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> Moved the car out of the garage this morning to get to my paint cabinet.  No 
> ASR light.
> 
> Whatever.
> 
> Still need to pull a wheel off and check brake pads.  Might do that today 
> after all the FD festivities.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> On Jun 15, 2013, at 6:06 PM, OK Don wrote:
> 
>> I think I had that happen in the ML once - turning the car off then
>> starting it again cleared the light - a re-boot.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point

[William Jackson]

Anyone have any experience with Pelican Parts or German Auto Parts. Both are
advertising good prices but I don't know much about the companies?

William

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt
Raymond
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 4:43 PM
To: Diesel List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point

I emailed today, haven't heard anything since Thursday.

Went over to CarQuest and ordered all new rear brake components for my 190D.
They couldn't get a lower radiator hose which isn't tremendously surprising.
Dr Fatty seems to be out of business, buymbparts.net seems to be gone
anyway. I'm thinking of trying Pelican Parts. Who was it that bought from
them before, Larry?

-Curt

Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 14:00:03 -0400
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point
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So I called again this morning, a woman said someone would call me back.  No
call back.

I called a little while ago, got an answering service woman who said she
could only pass the message on to Trent for him to call me.

I am starting to think I am out $150 and this guy is running some kind of
scam, or is incompetent, or has no clue, is in over his head, is
incapacitated, or some combination of all of the above.

I called NAPA to get a couple of things, will be there tomorrow, then will
give AutohausAZ a try per Kleb's experience.

--R

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[MBZ] Posts

[William]

I sent in a post yesterday and haven't seen it come through. Did I do something 
wrong??

William J

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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Any TDI folks here?

[Mitch Haley]

Curt Raymond wrote:

EPA says 23/31. In a Jetta that'd be a 2002/2003 and EPA 35/44 and I could get 
a manual transmission which I prefer on principle.


Anybody with turbo 606 experience want to comment?
I was under the impression that it could at least equal a W124 2.5 turbo on the 
freeway.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Any TDI folks here?

[Mitch Haley]

Mitch Haley wrote:


What about this one?


Oooh, Aspen Green over Saddle leather, my favorite!
I bet clay would be all over this one if it were in Seattle.
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=344895354 


For the sake of round numbers, let us assume you will drive the car 2000 miles 
per month. Let us also assume a TDI will cost 9 cents per gallon for fuel, or 10 
cents if automatic transmission. Assume a turbo W210 costs 11 cents per gallon. 
Is it worth $40 a month in fuel to not be riding in a VW?


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Any TDI folks here?

[Curt Raymond]

EPA says 23/31. In a Jetta that'd be a 2002/2003 and EPA 35/44 and I could get 
a manual transmission which I prefer on principle.

-Curt

Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 11:55:20 -0400
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Curt Raymond wrote:
> Theres a reason I specifically want a TDI, I commute 56 miles each way to 
> work. A big gasser sedan isn't going to cut it...


What about this one?

> Oooh, Aspen Green over Saddle leather, my favorite!
> I bet clay would be all over this one if it were in Seattle.
> 
>http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=344895354


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Re: [MBZ] Rod bender repairs [was: Re: Any TDI folks here?}

[WILTON]

MBUSA denied any and everything.  'Claimed "poor maintenance," though I had 
history of all proper maintenance, oil changes, etc., done at stealer's 
prior to my purchase at 69/70 kmi.


Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rod bender repairs [was: Re: Any TDI folks here?}



WILTON wrote:
Your supposition is wrong.  MB paid "half" cost of parts, and they held 
the price list, so you know how that went, don't you?  I paid $2800.


And this was one of the admittedly (MBUSA did admit it, right?) defective 
timing chains from the early 1990s.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

[OK Don]

Another vote for only new in VWs, used in MBs. I would not have bought a
used VW - and could not afford a new MB, so have the (was) new VW.
I don't hear the turbo at all in the 2012 TDI - run, don't walk from that
Jetta.


On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> clay wrote:
>
>> I have cousins who sells VW.  He advises strongly against purchasing
>> used, as they are as expensive as a Benz and the quality of a Yugo to keep
>> running.
>>
>
> The one Curt was talking about seemed to be a VW price, but well into W210
> territory by the time all the known and unknown faults are fixed.
> Most TDIs, I agree with you, the sellers seem to think they are made of
> gold unless they've got 200k on the odo.
>
> I think, in general, you're right about buying new as opposed to
> overpaying for old.
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

[Curt Raymond]

Theres a video on Youtube covering the TB replacement on a '98, it looks like 
about a 2 hour job but needs a few special tools. The water pump is probably 
another hour or so.
I found the TB with tensioner etc for about $150, figure another $100 for water 
pump while you're there, not a bad day for a home mechanic.

-Curt

Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 07:30:52 -0500
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Have a 01 New Beetle 1.9L TDI. Can't hear the turbo. TB replacement ran ~ $
800.  It included water pump,thermostat. serpentine belt and tensioner
idlers.


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Re: [MBZ] MPG

[Michael Canfield]

Nice!

Mike
On Jun 22, 2013 7:24 PM, "Mountain Man"  wrote:

> Mike wrote:
> > Suzuki DR650it's the w123 of bikes with a touch of G-wagen
> blended in.
> >
>
> My son drives a w123 and just sold his DR650 to a guy that is going to
> ride it to South America.
> mao
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[MBZ] VW 2004 TDI wagon tail light bulb replacement

[Rick Hawkins Java]

Folks,

A friend just purchased a 2004 tdi wagon from some dealer for, i  
think, about $8000 which doesn't sound like all that good a price to me.


He brought it by yesterday evening and i drove it around the block, so  
to speak, including about a mile of freeway. It's auto and i was  
underwhelmed with the car and the performance. It seemed to be a  
little peppier when we turned the A/C off.


He had a tail light bulb out, driver's side. Well, it's not exactly  
easy to change a bulb on the wagon. You open the interior side  
compartment. There's a big chunk of styrofoam in there, maybe to hold  
a CD player or something. That gives almost no access to the tail  
light. I read around on some forums and no one had any good ideas on  
how to change a bulb and the owner's manual doesn't cover it. So, i  
removed a barely accessible bolt that allowed the styrofoam chunk to  
drop down about 1/4 inch. Then i was able to unclip the big t shaped  
plastic bulb holder assembly. I tilted that  forward and was able to  
remove and install the bulbs on the top that we needed to replace.  
Someone previously had broken one of the clips on the tail light  
assembly, but it snapped back into place ok.


Small hands are a big help with this job.

Someone on some VW forum had removed the entire tail light assembly,  
but that involves several small nuts that are pretty inaccessible.


I'll stick with my 300TD.

thanks,

xx rick
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Re: [MBZ] Rod bender repairs [was: Re: Any TDI folks here?}

[Mitch Haley]

WILTON wrote:
Your supposition is wrong.  MB paid "half" cost of parts, and they held 
the price list, so you know how that went, don't you?  I paid $2800.


And this was one of the admittedly (MBUSA did admit it, right?) defective timing 
chains from the early 1990s.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Rod bender repairs [was: Re: Any TDI folks here?}

[WILTON]

Your supposition is wrong.  MB paid "half" cost of parts, and they held the 
price list, so you know how that went, don't you?  I paid $2800.


Wilton

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On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 10:30:25 -0400 "WILTON"  wrote:


Timing chain in mine broke at 79 kmi.  Replaced chain, chain guides,
several valves and lifters, head gasket and lots of stuff I don't
remember.  Milled head.  Walt's has crate engine from Mercedes.


I suppose that since it was at 79 kmi, Mercedes Benz paid for the repairs.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Any TDI folks here?

[Mitch Haley]

Curt Raymond wrote:

Theres a reason I specifically want a TDI, I commute 56 miles each way to work. 
A big gasser sedan isn't going to cut it...



What about this one?


Oooh, Aspen Green over Saddle leather, my favorite!
I bet clay would be all over this one if it were in Seattle.
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=344895354




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[MBZ] Subject: Re: Any TDI folks here?

[Curt Raymond]

Theres a reason I specifically want a TDI, I commute 56 miles each way to work. 
A big gasser sedan isn't going to cut it...

-Curt

Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 21:15:59 -0400
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Oooh, Aspen Green over Saddle leather, my favorite!
I bet clay would be all over this one if it were in Seattle.
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=344895354

Those don't look like 'always garaged' headlight lenses to me.
Of course, if it was a daily driver, it could have spent all daylight hours in 
a 
parking lot five days a week.
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=347059854

This might be a decent deal, but a bit more than Curt's looking to pay:
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=349133627

Offer this guy $2500 and see what happens:
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=348607486


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