RE: URINE PH
Please be advised, I am not recommending that anyone take melatonin, for any reason. I am suggesting, based upon our limited evaluations that it seems to hold promise for older persons (60+) as a sleep aid and neuro-transmitter. Melatonin is a powerful regulator derived from two precursors; tryptophan, an aminmo acid, and serotonin, another neurotransmitter. The body actually manufactures the melatonin. (The pineal gland is the actual source). The maximum production of melatonin occurs in children around 6 years of age. It falls rather linearly until around 45 to 50, then more rapidly, until the early sixties (when you are producing about half as much as you were at 20),then it falls rather rapidly until the 80s, when in some cases it is unmeasureable. The longevity research with rats has been quite remarkable. Melatonin is a powerful, kaleidoscopically influencial hormone and should be regarded with respect. In my view, persons under 55 years of age should have an important clinical reason for supplementing their natural melatonin production. Brooks Bradley 07:19 PM 5/22/98 -0500, you wrote: > Melatonin has been researched quite thoroughly throughout a large >portion of the western world..during the past 15 years. The academic >community (also the legitimate pharmaceutical houses)did not show too much >interest in this substance until Dr. William Regelson's research was >published. Shortly after publishing his official findings in the early >nineties, Regelson collaborated on a book with Walter Pierpaoli ( The >Melatonin Miracle; Simon & Schuster). While designed for the popular >press, the work is well founded in proper scientific protocols. I would >suggest you either purchase this book---or check it out of your local >library. It will be well worth your time. Our limited, anectdotal >experimentation (on older members of our staff's extended families60 >and over) have yielded very satisfactory results, with no detectable side >effects...whatever.There is one characteristic that one (82 year old >male) complained abouthe continued to be somewhat sleepy for an hour or >so after getting up in the morning. Although this was after being able to >sleep soundly for a continuous 6-7 hours for the first time in over 10 >years. This substance appears to offer outstanding promise as a non-toxic >sleep aidespecially for the elderly. Brooks Bradley. 11:48 AM >5/22/98 -0400, you wrote: >>I don't know much about melatonin, but I do know that it is outlawed in >>Canada. Before anyone goes on a tirade about government controlling >>people's health freedom, I don't necessarily agree or disagree with the >>Canadian government's position, but they might have gathered some >>"evidence" that its use is "dangerous." >> >>There might be a way to investigate this through the Internet... >> >> >>Kris >> >>> -- >>> From: It's not me[SMTP:rocke...@micron.net] >>> Sent: Friday, May 22, 1998 6:25 AM >>> To: silver-list@eskimo.com >>> Subject:Re: URINE PH >>> >>> Cisco, >>> >>> What are the bad side effects of prolonged Melatonin use? I have not >>> seen >>> any serious negative side effects in any of the current stuff I have >>> read. >>> I would like to know because I sell a boat load of this stuff and >>> would hate >>> to think that people are hurting themselves. I like to warn people >>> and let >>> them decide whether to continue using a product. I would appreciate >>> any >>> info that you could provide to me. >>> >>> Vern >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Cisco >>> To: silver-list@eskimo.com >>> Date: Thursday, May 21, 1998 10:06 PM >>> Subject: Re: URINE PH >>> >>> >>> >Joe and Jim and Listers, >>> > >>> >pain is involved. We now use Melatonin even though the prolonged use >>> has >>> >bad side effects the short term help is required with several of the >>> >Maleria strains and the two TB's strains. Pain and loss of sleep >>> causes >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal >>> silver. >>> >>> To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message >>> to: >>> silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >>> with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. >>> >>> To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >>> >>> List maintainer: Mike Devour >>> >> >> >>-- >>The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. >> >>To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >>silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >>with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. >> >>To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >> >>List maintainer: Mike Devour >> >> >> > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send
Lamps and batteries
Greetings all profound and sagacious makers and users of CS, LAMPS Reading the posts leads me to believe that people are having a hard time finding 0.40 ma. lamps (bulbs). All 0.40ma lamps are rated for 28.8 volt use. The best places to look for them are places that have 28 volt systems. Electronic stores carry stuff for electronic circuits which are usually 6 or 12 volt. Since we want 28 volt things we should look at places using 28 volts. Users of 28 volt systems are airplanes, boats, big rig trucks (18 wheelers),telephone equipment. Try going to the little airfields, marinas,truck stops,and telephone suppliers. I live in a small town and even the little auto parts store had big truck bulbs. Here is a list of lamp numbers to ask about, of the maintenance shop people(airfields,marinas,truck stops), if they have them. All these lamps are rated 28 volt (28.8) at 0.04 A (40ma) and most are bulb type T1 3/4 (thats the shape of the glass bulb). If not, I will indicate the bulb type . # Base Bulb 28PSB5 slide T2 85 wedge 327mig.flange 334mig.screw 385mig.flange 387mig.flange 388mig.groved 1764 wires 1819 min.bayonet T3 1/4 2187 wires 7327 bi-pin 7387 bi-pin 7632 bi-pin 8623 thr.knurled T1 1/4 8627 wires T1 1/4 Hope this will help a little bit with finding lamps. Quite a few of these are military lamps also, so ask your friends at the mil. bases. BATTERIES A lot of you use batteries for making your CS, so a short presentation on batteries might be helpful. To facilitate this end, some data is needed first, so let me make a list of small battery and small lamp data to start with. NEMA # Eveready # Design ma/hrs Energy in A/HR 1.5 VOLT D CELLS 13F950 2...@360hr 7.2 A/H 13C 1150 37...@15.8hr5.925 13D 1250 6...@139hr 8.34 9 VOLT MINI BATTERIES 1611 206 1...@40hr 0.48 A/H 1600 226 1...@61hr 0.732 1603 276 2...@350hr 7.00 1604 216 9...@50hr 0.45 9 VOLT MINI ALKALINE 1604A 522 1...@33hr 0.594 A/H SMALL LAMPS (FLASHLIGHT),Current Densities TWO CELL PR 22.4V 0.5A80% of 3V PR 42.3V 0.27A 76% of 3V PR 62.5V 0.3A83% of 3V K 22.4V 0.7A80% of 3VQuartz filament THREE CELL PR 33.6V 0.5A80% of 4.5V PR 73.7V 0.3A82% of 4.4V K 33.6V 0.75A 80% of 4.5V Quartz filament FOUR CELL PR 12 5.95V0.5A99% of 6V PR 13 4.75V0.5A80% of 6V FIVE CELL PR 18 7.2V 0.55A 96% of 7.5V As we can see some of the small lamps were designed to be used at the rated battery voltage and some were designed to be used at 80% of the battery voltage. This has to do with current density of the filament material. Most of these lamps are carbon filaments and the K lamps are fused quartz glass filaments (with metal atoms added to the glass). Every material that conducts electricity has a current density limit, as the current increases the material heats up until it can not handle any more current with out vaporizing (burns out). Some of the lamps were operated close to their current density limits so as to be as bright as possible. The problem with that was they had short life spans before burn out. By derating by 80% they were as bright but would last a long time. With a fresh battery they were brighter for a short time and as the battery voltage dropped they were as bright as the lamps operating at max current density. Please note that the normal currents for the carbon filaments is about 0.3 to 0.5 Amps (300ma to 500ma). The quartz lamps will operate at filament temperatures as high 2000f Degrees and the glass bulb will get up to 300 to 500 degrees. Thats why its important not to touch the glass with your fingers, also skin oils will set up a thermal stress in the glass and it may break. Note that the quartz lamps have high currents ( 0.7A ,700ma) because the glass filaments will with stand a higher temperature than the carbon filaments with out vaporizing. Of course this high current means that the batteries won`t last long. When camping I take a flashlight with a quartz lamp if searching for someone and a long lasting flashlight with derated carbon lamps for general tasks and trail walking. Lets look at the battery data and see what we can learn from it. Batteries are designed to give a certain current at a given number of hours. This dat
Re: URINE PH
> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 14:58:50 -0700 > From: Cisco > To:silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: URINE PH > Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Jim, > > Rightthis exchange is our only hope of getting anywherethe > different people on the list who have varying studies and hands on > research should attempt to keep open exchanges moving so all can > benifit. > Cisco, I agree whole-heartedly! We can all help one another. > The Boat we are building to sail to some of the more desolate areas is > about $10,000 from completion. She will offer us a platform to manuver > from area to area and transfer product, material and research throughout > many areas. I will keep an open invitation for those who would like to > go to different areas of the world like Papua New Guinea, see things > only visable in a National Geographic and maybe help some people who > have no idea what a computer ismuch less health. > Good luck with the boat. Who knows, maybe someday I can come along and do some work helping those people to regain their health. > There are places there which still have head hunting as a daily > occurance and it can get rough. But in two visits we had no prblem once > they understood we were there to help. In the Soloman Islands a bar of > soap will buy you more than $10 in cash willso ideals and logic > which we live by does not apply there. Life is a learning thingkeep > up the good research we need it. > Interesting, very interesting. Here in the US of A, we take too much for granted. I think that foundation is being shaken as we speak. Many things will change. I think that is why the great swing to natural health. So much of the medical/drug culture is failing, and people are looking for something that works better. They will find it in natural health. When I got into this, I never dreamed I would be doing research that might one day lead to a cure for cancer or AIDS, or any of a number of other chronic diseases, but now I realize we are on the frontier of discovery where a simple poor man like myself, can rake up a few dollars to buy some test equipment and a lot of books, and do some serious research, and quiet possibly find so earth saving information. But of course it could not be done without the help of lots of other people both past and present. So we all are equal in that everyone has a chance to be the first to discover a great cure. Don't give up, just keep up the good work, and network with one another, and together we can move mountains!!! God Bless you! Jim Einert, N.D. > Cisco > > > > > jein...@troi.csw.net wrote: > > > > > Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 13:39:14 -0700 > > > From: Cisco > > > To:silver-list@eskimo.com > > > Subject: Re: URINE PH > > > Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > > Joe and Jim and Listers, > > > > > > Over the past two years we have noticed that with Herxheimer Effect that > > > the urine Ph drops. We have found a multitude of foods which cause these > > > rapid rise and falls of Ph in the urine and blood. We use Papaya, guava, > > > passion fruit and bread fruits to help the body stabilize the Acid > > > levels. I would ask Jim to explain why the addition of acid to the body > > > causes an alkline reactionbecause I dont have the true explination. > > > We do find that in serious CS and Rife Herx reaction that Papaya and > > > Oranges in quantity help massively with stabilization of Ph. > > > > > Hi Cisco, > > I am assuming you mean acid from the fruits. The body does not > > necessarily see the fruits as being acid once they are converted as > > food. They will sometimes have an acid effect, but they can also have > > an alkaline reaction. Think about this, I just read this a few days > > ago. According to some of the darkfield work done by Michael Coyle, > > he says that when the blood goes alkaline, the body pH will go acid. > > So the urine is supposted to measure the pH of the body, not the > > blood (even though the urine comes from the blood, the kidneys will > > recycle as much of the minerals as possible, especially if your body > > levels are low, there by causing the urine to reflect the body pH > > instead of the blood pH). So the fruits may be causing the blood to > > go more acid, but the body shows alkaline. I don't have all the > > answers to this as yet. I am still trying to understand it all. > > > > > As to sleep we have attempted a multitude of measures espically when > > > pain is involved. We now use Melatonin even though the prolonged use has > > > bad side effects the short term help is required with several of the > > > Maleria strains and the two TB's strains. Pain and loss of sleep causes > > > some massive problems for healing. With the imbalance of Ph in the > > > system an additional problem is created, the system is too stressed to > > > work properly and clean itself. > > > > > > This is t
Re: nutrients
> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 14:39:02 -0700 > From: Cisco > To:silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: nutrients > Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Jim, > > Unfortunately I have not read these booksbut I find merit in these > concepts. Yet I have seen the killoff of verii and bacteriun from CS in > petri dishes at the University here. That is the reason the Prof's are > helping me. I believe in the body, however, it may react with different > MO. We do find it does kill the TB bacterium in the lungsbut then > again that is in an air culture (in the lungs) and not inside the blood > network system. > Hi Cisco, One of the things Enderlein says is that when the bacteria reverts back to the non-pathogenic form it is too small to see with a light microscope. So some of that could be happening here as well. I am just learning this stuff, so I don't yet have a real good understanding of it either. > This train of thought appears to be going in a proper direction although > many things also show Herx from the intake of CS. By increase of the > blood Ph and urine Ph we can tell that dead matter is floating around > and being disposed of by the liver. For those only using CS and not Rife > this could place a small wrench in this hypothisis..but maybe not. > No, I don't think it does, but I'll have to read up on it more to get a good understanding of it myself. I know there is debris in any type of detox, but we must also know that cell debris will float in the blood too. Keep an open mind (I know you do), and we will try to come to some kind of conclusion about all this stuff. > Cisco > > jein...@troi.csw.net wrote: > > > > > X-To: > > > From: "Darryl Jones" > > > To: > > > Subject: Re: nutrients > > > Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 12:33:05 +1000 > > > Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > > > > Darryl, > > Sorry, I guess I got over your head with this post. > > I have been studying dark field microscopy and the ideals of Dr. > > Enderlein of Germany. Let me see if I can explain this in a nutshell. > > If you look at live blood under the dark field microscope, you can > > see the bacteria in the blood. Under a normal balanced chemistry this > > bacteria is considered a good bacteria. It helps us digest our food, > > and it helps the cells uptake the food. It also makes vitamins and > > enzymes. But, when the body chemistry starts to drift away from the > > normal levels, the bacteria change to a higher form, and the more the > > chemistry gets off the higher the form. Some of these forms are > > fungus, cell wall deficient, even virus. Once the chemistry balance > > is again normalized, the bacteria again revert back to the good form. > > And yes the good form is non-pathogenic, the bad form is pathogenic. > > According to Enderlein, this bacterial form cannot be destroyed. It > > lives on even after our death. If what Enderlein said was true (and I > > believe it is.) then we are not really killing these bacteria, but > > only reverting them back to non-pathogenic forms where they once > > again become beneficial. > > So, my point is that the CS sprayed on the soil may in fact keep the > > bacteria from becoming pathogenic, and if it has already became > > pathogenic then the CS may be reversing it back to a non-pathogenic > > form. There is much scientific evidence all the way back over 100 > > years to prove these ideas. > > It all started with Bechamp in France who said that bacteria changes > > to many forms. But the concept of a different bacteria/virus for > > every disease was brought out at the same time by Pasteur, and the > > scientific community believed Pasteur. (Actually it started before > > Bechamp by someone else, can't remember his name, but on his death > > bed Pasteur admitted that man was right all along!) > > Well, I hope you are not overly confused. This subject gets very > > deep. I don't have a full understanding of it myself, but I continue > > to learn. > > > > Check below for my reply to your individual questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > >Darryl, > > > You are harsh! > > > > > > But am I factual is a better question? > > > > > I don't know. We don't always have a way of checking to be sure what > > we say is fact. So called facts have a way of changing over time. It > > was once a fact that man could not fly. But that is no longer a fact. > > > > > That is your way of doing things, I can stop that. I > > > agree that you do make some good points. I also agree that CS may not > > > be good for the soil. But lets look at this from a different > > > perspective. (Mind you, I don't have any proof one way or another, > > > this is just an idea I have.) > > > What if the CS only distroys the "bad" bacteria, or if you are of the > > > school of thought that thinks bacteria can change from good to bad > > > and back again (which I believe it can) then mayb
[Fwd: Solar Colliodal Silver Makers]
Eh, Lets try this again with proper spelling the moron might just get his message through!.Jeezz I need spell check! Cisco --- Begin Message --- Listers, I have had a multitude of requests for further information on how to make a system for colliodal silver from solar or wind power. I will do some further research for this List as the products we are forced to utilize are rather inovative and there are obviously easier ways to build a system. SOLAR: Utilizing a solar panel to charge a battery or bank of batteries is a slow process and usually requires an area where you have many days of sun exposure. One system we utilize requires 3 Solar Panels. One for each of the batteries to be charged, the panels are 16+ volts for charging the 12 vdc Deep Cycle Marine batteries, and a 8-9 vdc panel for the 6 vdc Deep Cycle Marine battery. By connecting the batteries in series you get 30vdc. We use a 6 foot .999 Silver electrode on each wire and separate them quite widewe utilize a laser pointer to tell us we are in the neighborhood of the values we want. We then utilize a very sensitive Ohm meter to give us a working ratio for production. This sysyem works rather quickly and produces a good product for human consumption. We have had several batches made completely in 11 minutes and depending on the battery condition it has taken as long as an hourso one must monitor the situation closely. These panels sell for around $400.00 US each but have a 15 year life. Temperature has little effect on the working of the solar panel, but it can slow it slightly if sub-zero temps are reached. WIND POWER: This is the most efficient system for battery charging. Although the cost in some cases can stiffel your pocket book. The unit we utilize is made in Austrailia and has the capibility of outputing 20amps. It has an adjustable output for voltage from 12 volts DC to 32 volts DC. This makes it ideal for charging the 30vdc bank as one system and not require three wind generators to do the job. These units sell for about $850.00 US. We have gone so far as to utilize a Delco Alternator w/built in voltage regulator and drove it with a wind turbine of our own fabrication the total unit cost us about $100.00 US to build. It only charges the system of twelve volt batteries and requires a small unit to lower the voltage to charge the 6 volt battery. The design and technical layout for these systems is being done for me on a friends site when it is completed I will advise those still interested where to look. We have converted many homes to these systems and people are completely self-sufficient from power companies. With a little adjustment you can have all the systems you now have with very low maintenance and low cost per year for power. This does not apply in places where neither wind nor sun can be had for months at a timebut even in Wisconsin we had these systems on line and functional. For the making of CS we have been forced to find alternatives to make the product in places where transporting the already made product would not be suitable. As it stands the different groups now produce 5 gallon per village per week. Except where wells are being treated and in those cases the production exceeds 5 gallon per day. The largest production day recorded was 25 gallons which was for the initial treatment of a village well. I hope this offers some insight for you into the Solar CS making projects we utilize. Cisco --- End Message ---
Re: Yes, there is a digest version of the list!
On Thu, 21 May 1998 22:05:02 -5 "M. G. Devour" writes: >On 21 May 98 at 19:46, Michael wrote: > >> does the silver-list have a digest setting? > >Yup! Look in the footer for concise directions. > Gee, do *I* feel silly! That's what I get for not reading the omnipresent footer! Thanks... Michael (trying to organize his email) _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Swollen tonsil after cs
> From: vgnev...@hop-uky.campus.mci.net > Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 20:36:45 -0400 (EDT) > To:silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Swollen tonsil after cs > Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com > I started taking 500 ppm cs made by Nutri Vison Inc Carson City, > yesterday. About one teaspoon. Today I did the same. About three > hours after the second dose my throat became sore. I can see > a white swelling the size of a very large pimple in my right > palatine tonsil. > > To confuse matters I started a new brand of Essiac Tea, Life Extension > foundation and an antiparasitical program called paragon yesterday. > It's my bet that the Essiac Tea is doing the trick. It is a cleanser, and the tonsil is part of the lymph system. I believe the Essiac is causing the toxins and mucus to start flushing so fast that it is trying to release right out of the tonsil as pus. The CS should be a benefit to keep any infection at bay, as the pus that will come from the tonsil is going to be full of bacteria and germs, as well as toxins. Just my observation and opinion. Jim Einert, N.D. > I suspect its the silver since it taste so strong and produced a slight > burning sensation in my throat. I was curious if anyone else has had > this experience and if anyone would speculate as to why a germinal center > would swell like this. It's my speculation its the silver, I have a feeling, > its going to be a very interesting month or so. > > I have Hep C and am going for a PCR in July. I am going to do a high cs for > the next two months. But I haven't a clue as to what would be a regeme to > follow. I would deeply appreciate any remarks. > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS/burns
my pleasure that is what i joined this list for. larry -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS nasal spray
Mike D I started to use cs for dandruff. I apply it in the morning before I head off to work. How much i use is not easy to tell. I keep it in an old CS bottle i got from some company. a squeez type plastic bottle, anyhow i just put in on my head until it runs off. sounds funny i guess but there is a good saturation going on. then i just comb the hair and let it dry by its self. i do rub it in befor combing. the cs seems to make the hair set in place and holds it all day. plain water will not do that for me. anyhow a lot of new hair has grown and tends to maintain a more youthfull color than it had before. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: URINE PH
Re: Melatonin & "Fountain of Youth" I read that old mice who had their old pineal gland transplanted with pineal glands from young mice became younger. Melatonin is normally abundant in young children, but decreases upon puberty. Please recognize that the drug cartel TARGETS the EFFECTIVE healing medicines, not impotent ones. Go to the following site, scroll down the left menu, and click on "Canadian Battle For Health Freedom". Also, it's very important to buy a brand that is properly processed, or it might do you more harm than good. http://www.iahf.com/index1.html You will find at the site how "planned nutritional scare" tactics are purposely released to the media to control the industry. Remember that artificial drugs kill about 300,000 people in the USA each year (180,000 according to Harvard; 100,000 according to AMA), making it the LARGEST CAUSE OF DEATH IN THE USA. Natural Medicines, in contract, have a very safe record. Please don't be fooled by the propaganda that is purposely given to the news media. The media have been controlled by the Illuminati-NewWorldOrder since 1917, and are setting you up for deception. Take care, :) Joyce Inouye On Fri, 22 May 1998, Hermes, Kristofer J wrote: > I don't know much about melatonin, but I do know that it is outlawed in > Canada. Before anyone goes on a tirade about government controlling > people's health freedom, I don't necessarily agree or disagree with the > Canadian government's position, but they might have gathered some > "evidence" that its use is "dangerous." > > There might be a way to investigate this through the Internet... > > > Kris > > > -- > > From: It's not me[SMTP:rocke...@micron.net] > > Sent: Friday, May 22, 1998 6:25 AM > > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Subject:Re: URINE PH > > > > Cisco, > > > > What are the bad side effects of prolonged Melatonin use? I have not > > seen > > any serious negative side effects in any of the current stuff I have > > read. > > I would like to know because I sell a boat load of this stuff and > > would hate > > to think that people are hurting themselves. I like to warn people > > and let > > them decide whether to continue using a product. I would appreciate > > any > > info that you could provide to me. > > > > Vern > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Cisco > > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Date: Thursday, May 21, 1998 10:06 PM > > Subject: Re: URINE PH > > > > > > >Joe and Jim and Listers, > > > > > >pain is involved. We now use Melatonin even though the prolonged use > > has > > >bad side effects the short term help is required with several of the > > >Maleria strains and the two TB's strains. Pain and loss of sleep > > causes > > > > > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal > > silver. > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message > > to: > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: nutrients FINAL FLAME! off list from here!
And I say Amen noise is noise no matter where it comes from -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Swollen tonsil after cs
Isn't 500ppm a dose you would only take once or twice a day? Is it possible you went into a healing crisis with so much toxin release? I would think that drinking extra fluids would help with that. jerry w. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Swollen tonsil after cs
I started taking 500 ppm cs made by Nutri Vison Inc Carson City, yesterday. About one teaspoon. Today I did the same. About three hours after the second dose my throat became sore. I can see a white swelling the size of a very large pimple in my right palatine tonsil. To confuse matters I started a new brand of Essiac Tea, Life Extension foundation and an antiparasitical program called paragon yesterday. I suspect its the silver since it taste so strong and produced a slight burning sensation in my throat. I was curious if anyone else has had this experience and if anyone would speculate as to why a germinal center would swell like this. It's my speculation its the silver, I have a feeling, its going to be a very interesting month or so. I have Hep C and am going for a PCR in July. I am going to do a high cs for the next two months. But I haven't a clue as to what would be a regeme to follow. I would deeply appreciate any remarks. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re:melatonin
Brooks Bradley wrote: > Our limited, anectdotal > experimentation (on older members of our staff's extended families60 > and over) have yielded very satisfactory results, with no detectable side > effects...whatever. Sorry off topic Mike but my experience with melatonin is not that positive. If taken for more than a day or two , I wake up in the middle of the night somewhat wired. On many nights I will also have weird/bizarre dreams and this I have heard and read from others. Deb -- Debbie McDonald mailto:lullw...@flash.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: URINE PH
Melatonin has been researched quite thoroughly throughout a large portion of the western world..during the past 15 years. The academic community (also the legitimate pharmaceutical houses)did not show too much interest in this substance until Dr. William Regelson's research was published. Shortly after publishing his official findings in the early nineties, Regelson collaborated on a book with Walter Pierpaoli ( The Melatonin Miracle; Simon & Schuster). While designed for the popular press, the work is well founded in proper scientific protocols. I would suggest you either purchase this book---or check it out of your local library. It will be well worth your time. Our limited, anectdotal experimentation (on older members of our staff's extended families60 and over) have yielded very satisfactory results, with no detectable side effects...whatever.There is one characteristic that one (82 year old male) complained abouthe continued to be somewhat sleepy for an hour or so after getting up in the morning. Although this was after being able to sleep soundly for a continuous 6-7 hours for the first time in over 10 years. This substance appears to offer outstanding promise as a non-toxic sleep aidespecially for the elderly. Brooks Bradley. 11:48 AM 5/22/98 -0400, you wrote: >I don't know much about melatonin, but I do know that it is outlawed in >Canada. Before anyone goes on a tirade about government controlling >people's health freedom, I don't necessarily agree or disagree with the >Canadian government's position, but they might have gathered some >"evidence" that its use is "dangerous." > >There might be a way to investigate this through the Internet... > > >Kris > >> -- >> From:It's not me[SMTP:rocke...@micron.net] >> Sent:Friday, May 22, 1998 6:25 AM >> To: silver-list@eskimo.com >> Subject: Re: URINE PH >> >> Cisco, >> >> What are the bad side effects of prolonged Melatonin use? I have not >> seen >> any serious negative side effects in any of the current stuff I have >> read. >> I would like to know because I sell a boat load of this stuff and >> would hate >> to think that people are hurting themselves. I like to warn people >> and let >> them decide whether to continue using a product. I would appreciate >> any >> info that you could provide to me. >> >> Vern >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Cisco >> To: silver-list@eskimo.com >> Date: Thursday, May 21, 1998 10:06 PM >> Subject: Re: URINE PH >> >> >> >Joe and Jim and Listers, >> > >> >pain is involved. We now use Melatonin even though the prolonged use >> has >> >bad side effects the short term help is required with several of the >> >Maleria strains and the two TB's strains. Pain and loss of sleep >> causes >> >> >> >> -- >> The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal >> silver. >> >> To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message >> to: >> silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >> with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. >> >> To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >> >> List maintainer: Mike Devour >> > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: nutrients
Re: Nutrition, Selenium and Chickens I heard that chickens who live naturally have more selenium in their eggs than chickens who live apartment-style in chicken coops. Why? It seems that the selenium and other minerals are absorbed through the chicken's toes as they scratch the soil with their toenails. > Bill Kingsbury wrote: > > > > 5-21-98, Joe asked: > > > > > >Just wondering how silver, selenium etc. is replaced in depleated > > >soils. Most fertilizer does not have these things in it. CS made > > >even by Cisco's method would be expensive on large scale farms. > > >Joe > > > > > > > Some thing to consider: > > > > Many soils are 'dead', but not actually 'depleted'. Live soil > > contains micro-organisms that transfer the inorganic minerals > > to plant roots in a useable form. > > > > The answer includes adding and encouraging 'beneficial' micro- > > organisms -- exactly as in human digestion. Many companies sell > > soil and composting 'super bacteria' -- see 'Acres, U.S.A.', > > the monthly newspaper for listings (e-mail: i...@acresusa.com ). > > > > Or call toll-free (U.S. & Canada) 1-800-355-5313 for a free copy > > of their 80-page eco-ag book catalog, and ask for a (FREE) sample > > issue of Acres, U.S.A.URL: http://www.acresusa.com/ > > > > (Note: Garlic and/or cayenne tea is a good fungicide/insecticide.) > > > > Remineralizing depleted soils is often done by adding rock dust. > > Rock dust is obtainable from 'rock crusher' left-overs (usually > > found near a quarry) where gravel is made, to be used in concrete. > > Crushed granite, I believe, is high in silver, since silver is > > usually mined from granite rock. You can buy rock dust -- see > > Acres, U.S.A., for sources. > > > > Many answers for reviving 'trace-mineral depleted soils' are > > available from: > > > >David Yarrow at Turtle EyeLand > > URL: http://www.estrie.com/macphi/yarrow > > > > Look for the following articles: > > > > 1. LAVA FERTILITY > > - > > by John R. Meader > > Acres USA, April '92, > > Vol. 22 No. 4 > > > > 2. Bread From Stones > > -- > > by John David Mann > > Solstice magazine > > May 1988, pg. 51 > > > > 3. Animal, Vegetable or Mineral? > > Introduction to > > Soil Remineralization with Rock Dust > > - > > > > 4. Trace Elements: Missing Links > > --- > > > > 5. Restore the Earth : Regenerate Nature > > Soil Remineralization > > TRACE MINERALS AND SOIL > > secret solution for health > > --- > > by David Yarrow > > > > 6. How to Make Topsoil > > Recycling Garbage into Greengold > > -- > > by David Yarrow > > Earth Visions #2, Fall '91 > > > > --Bill > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: I have mixed CS differently!
Does anyone have information on where to send my CS Water to be tested to see of I am making it properly. I follow the direstions I read from the internet and all that but would like to know for sure. Many of my friends have used the CS Water several different ways and been very pleased with it. One lady said she had a pounding sinus headache and decided to try the water. She took an eye-dropper full in each nostril and kept her head tipped back for a few minutes and was very happy to say that her headache and sinus infection where gone in a little over 15 minutes. Jerry W. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS/burns
I met a man who told me he had 3rd and 4th degree burns on his face, hand, and arms when something exploded while fixing his car. (I forgot what exploded.) He then sprayed his face with a colloidal spray, which, he said prevented scaring and infections. He showed me his "before" (face was redish-black and swollen) and "after" (face with no scars) pictures, which were quite impressive. So, I would think colloidal silver would be good on any burns, provided its a good brand, and in a spray form (so bacteria doesn't spread with the liquid). It seems that anti-bacterial substances help prevent scars from burns. A product sold as melaleuca was used in the Gulf War, and is mandatory on buses in Israel (in case of bombings). When put on burn victims, it immediately cools the area, reduces the pain, provides anti-septic affects, and helps prevent scarring. :) Joyce Inouye On Fri, 22 May 1998, Debbie McDonald wrote: > Hi All, > Some time back I had read here that someone used CS on sunburn?? I > burned my face last friday(worse than first degree) and it was too late > to call docs so I put some CS in a mister and kept spraying the burned > area,(mouth, nose and surrounding) for two hours+, kept it wet with CS, > any slack and the pain was pretty bad. By bedtime it was not too > uncomfortable to sleep) It never formed blisters and today you cannot > tell(unless you are very close) and the numbness in the lip is going > away. Just wanted to let any know that had missed the original post. Had > I not read it here, I would not have tried this on myself. Thanks > whoever that was. Deb > -- > > > Debbie McDonald > > mailto:lullw...@flash.net > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: mites
>> Does anyone know a practical, proven way to stop mites from living in pillows, pillow cases, mattresses, etc. (without removing and boiling them) ? > Even if you did boil them, they would immediately be recolonized when you put them back on your bed. There are mites everywhere in our homes. It is best to cover mattresses and pillows with zip up plastic covers - these permenantly separate mites from their food supply (flakes of dead skin - which we continuously shed). The mites will then die and not return which the bedding is covered. Stephanie Dallam RN -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS nasal spray / hair
Bill Kingsbury wrote: > > > Does anyone know a practical, proven way to stop mites from living > in pillows, pillow cases, mattresses, etc. (without removing and > boiling them) ? Ozone -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS nasal spray / hair
Perhaps CS would NOT affect mites, but then perhaps it would. Mites very likely rely upon bacteria and/or fungus for the function of their digestive systems. Use of =sufficient= CS to destroy this bacteria and/or fungus could thereby destroy the mite's ability to live and feed in human pores and follicles -- or pillows, mattresses, etc. As for hair loss, a CS hair rinse could eliminate any follicular fungus that might be =directly= responsible for hair loss. In any case, NCOAMA's report of success -- with apparent NEW hair growth AND improved hair quality -- is worth noting, and further use seem warranted, regardless of 'theoretical considerations'. Does anyone know a practical, proven way to stop mites from living in pillows, pillow cases, mattresses, etc. (without removing and boiling them) ? As for scalp follicles, castor oil probably works, and it is reportedly used in Russia for growing hair. Since castor oil acts as a 'transdermal carrier' for any agents (such as herbal extracts) that are mixed into it, why not mix strong CS into a castor oil, lecithin, and vodka emulsion, add some herb and spice extract -- nettles, and perhaps ginger, black pepper, garlic, or cayenne. Use this as a scalp conditioner, and any mites or fungus should soon be history. (Not too much vodka! It's flammable.) It would probably remove the 'sebum' in the follicles, also. (A nettles herb plus chopped onion 'vodka extract' grows hair, according to some reports. Research shows nettles can increase 'available free testosterone' and thus counteract dihydro- testosterone (DHT), which is the main cause of male-pattern baldness, prostatitis, and sometimes even low sex-drive in both males and females. Avena Sativa, or wild oats, and Saw Palmetto also work to counteract DHT, and raise testosterone.) Note:The active ingredient in castor oil is ricinoleic acid. Ricinoleic acid has been shown to be effective in preventing the growth of numerous species of viruses, bacteria, yeasts and molds. (J Am Oil Chem Soc 61;37.323-325.) Used externally, hot 'castor oil packs' stimulate lymph circulation and T-cell immune function, and treat fungal infections; internally, castor oil is a strong purgative. There are dozens of other uses in healing; in India the castor bean plant is called 'Erand'. Only cold-pressed castor oil should be used (Heritage brand is one source). --Bill 5-22-98, "It's not me" wrote: > > Would this work? I recall reading that CS kills simple, > single cell organisms, but not complex organisms. I don't > think that CS would help with mites, but would certainly > kill bacteria in the pores or on your pillow. ~~ 5-21-98, Bill Kingsbury wrote: > > 5-21-98, NCOAMA wrote: > > > > i havn't used it in my nose for very long but i have put > > it on my head for nearly two years. my scalp is still > > flesh color and my hair is much younger looking (even > > the new hair that the cs grew) > > > This makes sense, considering the theory that hair-loss is > infectious in nature, (usually?) due to fungus or mites living > in the hair follicles. > > There was a news-slot on CBS channel 2, around six weeks ago, > regarding the purported discovery of the root-cause of hair loss. > I missed it, but I saw the two-second preview shot -- of a > wiggly mite, somehow clearly filmed in a hair follicle. > > Does anyone have more info ? I tried looking on their web > page: www.channel2000.com , but there was nothing there, at > that time. > > There was a special on PBS TV (Nova ?) on mites earlier this > year. The largest mites (in humans) are found in the eye-lash > follicles, and they are found in pores and follicles everywhere > on the body -- unless you take peroxide baths often, I guess. > > Or colloidal silver baths... Yes, a CS hair rinse makes sense. > > CS in the washing machine might make sense, also, since mites > live in clothing and bedding -- where ever there's (dead) human > skin flakes (or dandruff). Pillows and mattresses are the most > mite- populated places. Would a CS pillow- spray work ? > > Dust mites, naturally, live on dust, but most dust is purported > to be human skin flakes. 'Mite control' is important for those > with allergies and asthma, since mites (and mite feces) are a > MAJOR allergy trigger. > > > --Bill > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: URINE PH
I don't know much about melatonin, but I do know that it is outlawed in Canada. Before anyone goes on a tirade about government controlling people's health freedom, I don't necessarily agree or disagree with the Canadian government's position, but they might have gathered some "evidence" that its use is "dangerous." There might be a way to investigate this through the Internet... Kris > -- > From: It's not me[SMTP:rocke...@micron.net] > Sent: Friday, May 22, 1998 6:25 AM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: URINE PH > > Cisco, > > What are the bad side effects of prolonged Melatonin use? I have not > seen > any serious negative side effects in any of the current stuff I have > read. > I would like to know because I sell a boat load of this stuff and > would hate > to think that people are hurting themselves. I like to warn people > and let > them decide whether to continue using a product. I would appreciate > any > info that you could provide to me. > > Vern > > -Original Message- > From: Cisco > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Date: Thursday, May 21, 1998 10:06 PM > Subject: Re: URINE PH > > > >Joe and Jim and Listers, > > > >pain is involved. We now use Melatonin even though the prolonged use > has > >bad side effects the short term help is required with several of the > >Maleria strains and the two TB's strains. Pain and loss of sleep > causes > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal > silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message > to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS/burns
Hi All, Some time back I had read here that someone used CS on sunburn?? I burned my face last friday(worse than first degree) and it was too late to call docs so I put some CS in a mister and kept spraying the burned area,(mouth, nose and surrounding) for two hours+, kept it wet with CS, any slack and the pain was pretty bad. By bedtime it was not too uncomfortable to sleep) It never formed blisters and today you cannot tell(unless you are very close) and the numbness in the lip is going away. Just wanted to let any know that had missed the original post. Had I not read it here, I would not have tried this on myself. Thanks whoever that was. Deb -- Debbie McDonald mailto:lullw...@flash.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: URINE PH
YO INM! I believe it was Jim Einert who first pointed it out to me, could be wrong, but I believe so. Melatonin has several side effects when used in concentrates. The worst is a sexual deficiency, although in the beginning this is not so. It can also cause system regression although 75 mg per day has provided many great results with cancer. This research is only reported by the producer of the product who has now licensed a multitude of companies to manufacture it. We use it for relief of sleep loss due to pain and to sleep disorders. I would suggest Jim respond with this findings as I have done follow up on it and read some things most disturbing and he is much more clear on the subject. Cisco It's not me wrote: > > Cisco, > > What are the bad side effects of prolonged Melatonin use? I have not seen > any serious negative side effects in any of the current stuff I have read. > I would like to know because I sell a boat load of this stuff and would hate > to think that people are hurting themselves. I like to warn people and let > them decide whether to continue using a product. I would appreciate any > info that you could provide to me. > > Vern > > -Original Message- > From: Cisco > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Date: Thursday, May 21, 1998 10:06 PM > Subject: Re: URINE PH > > >Joe and Jim and Listers, > > > >pain is involved. We now use Melatonin even though the prolonged use has > >bad side effects the short term help is required with several of the > >Maleria strains and the two TB's strains. Pain and loss of sleep causes > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS nasal spray / hair
Would this work? I recall reading that CS kills simple, single cell organisms, but not complex organisms. I don't think that CS would help with mites, but would certainly kill bacteria in the pores or on your pillow. -Original Message- From: Bill Kingsbury To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, May 21, 1998 3:57 PM Subject: Re: CS nasal spray / hair > > 5-21-98, NCOAMA wrote: > > > > i havn't used it in my nose for very long but i have put > > it on my head for nearly two years. my scalp is still > > flesh color and my hair is much younger looking (even > > the new hair that the cs grew) > > > This makes sense, considering the theory that hair-loss is > infectious in nature, (usually?) due to fungus or mites living > in the hair follicles. > > There was a news-slot on CBS channel 2, around six weeks ago, > regarding the purported discovery of the root-cause of hair loss. > I missed it, but I saw the two-second preview shot -- of a > wiggly mite, somehow clearly filmed in a hair follicle. > > Does anyone have more info ? I tried looking on their web > page: www.channel2000.com , but there was nothing there, at > that time. > > There was a special on PBS TV (Nova ?) on mites earlier this > year. The largest mites (in humans) are found in the eye-lash > follicles, and they are found in pores and follicles everywhere > on the body -- unless you take peroxide baths often, I guess. > > Or colloidal silver baths... Yes, a CS hair rinse makes sense. > > CS in the washing machine might make sense, also, since mites > live in clothing and bedding -- where ever there's (dead) human > skin flakes (or dandruff). Pillows and mattresses are the most > mite- populated places. Would a CS pillow- spray work ? > > Dust mites, naturally, live on dust, but most dust is purported > to be human skin flakes. 'Mite control' is important for those > with allergies and asthma, since mites (and mite feces) are a > MAJOR allergy trigger. > > > --Bill > > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: URINE PH
Cisco, What are the bad side effects of prolonged Melatonin use? I have not seen any serious negative side effects in any of the current stuff I have read. I would like to know because I sell a boat load of this stuff and would hate to think that people are hurting themselves. I like to warn people and let them decide whether to continue using a product. I would appreciate any info that you could provide to me. Vern -Original Message- From: Cisco To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, May 21, 1998 10:06 PM Subject: Re: URINE PH >Joe and Jim and Listers, > >pain is involved. We now use Melatonin even though the prolonged use has >bad side effects the short term help is required with several of the >Maleria strains and the two TB's strains. Pain and loss of sleep causes -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: nutrients
-Original Message- From: Darryl Jones To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, May 21, 1998 9:04 PM Subject: Re: nutrients > > >> >>Darryl, >You are harsh! > >But am I factual is a better question? > >Any broad spectrum anti- biotic such as colloidal silver can not >discriminate between > " good and bad " bacteria ...though I think here we should have terms like >pathogenic and non pathogenic. Correct me if I am wrong, but I am under the impression that CS is NOT an antibiotic. If I am not mistaken, antibiotics generally come from mold and bacteria. I'm not sure how you would classify CS, maybe antibiotic-like. More likely is that CS is in another class altogether. Antibiotics kill bacteria only. Apparently, CS can kill bacteria, virus, and any simple, single cell organism. > >How are we " made up of bacteria " ?... I have never heard of that before? > We may not be made up of bacteria, but no doubt bacteria are vital to our life processes. Bacteria are present in our mouths, on our skin, and in our digestive tracts to name a few. Lactobacillus Acidophilus, and Bifidobacterium Bifidum are a few that I take daily to keep my digestion functioning properly. And yes I can tell you from experience, you can kill off the good bacteria with CS. I use it sparingly, internally because it tends to mess up my digestion. By adding Acidophilus/Bifidum back to the system, I can counteract the effect somewhat. Others don't seem to have this problem and I really don't know why. Just a side note, in the absence of the proper intestinal floura, candida yeast can take over and make you pretty sick. I'm fighting something along this order right now I think. As for the whole argument about whether to apply CS to the soil, I think the truth lies somewhere between both opinions expressed. I see that CS could be useful to kill molds, fungus and etc., and I can also see that CS could ultimately cause some problems for the soil. It is bacteria that converts dead organisms into plant and animal usable molecules. Bacteria is also apparently responsible for nitrogen-fixing. To quote my trusty World Book Encyclopedia, "Without these bacteria, the soil and water would soon become poor in nitrogen, and all plants and animals would die." -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Finally - My first attempt ! How did I do ?
Frank, I haven't had much success with just rubbing the CS in topically. What usually works is to saturate something with CS and leave it in contact with the infected sight for some time. Cold sores get about 10 min. and other nastier infections get overnight or several days. I would think that with Mastitis, you would want the CS in contact at least overnight. -Original Message- From: Frank Matzka To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, May 21, 1998 8:59 AM Subject: Finally - My first attempt ! How did I do ? >Well, after lurking for ages and humming and hahing, I finally got around to >making not only the generator but a first batch ! Tonight. > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: nutrients
-Original Message- From: Darryl To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, May 21, 1998 5:32 AM Subject: Re: nutrients > > > > >>Darryl, >You make some good points, however. I'm going to go out on a limb >here and say that it isn't the fact that you disagree with people, it is >the >way you go about it that causes the problem. You may have noticed that I pointed out that you make some good points. I guess it bugs me a bit to see someone trying to contribute something and their ideas are called dumb and ignorant. The person who contributed this experience (Cisco) has had some good information for some of us. Maybe the idea of using CS in the irigation is not one of the best ideas, but hardly dumb or ignorant. People here are experimenting and learning. Some things work and some don't. I'm not opposed to pointing out error. >I am not being combative for the sake of it, but don't you think we loose >credibility here if we accept stuff just because it is contributed [ I do. Don't you also think we lose credibility if we forgoe common courtesy in our discourse? >facts, not fantasies or apologies after all he contributed the >information as " facts" ...someone not knowing otherwise would make a big >error in accepting those " facts " and implementing them, C/S would >suffer, as would the user of C/S ...and all because just the opposite case >was not put up forcefully enough! Forcefully yes, rudely no. The quickest way to send a bunch of people packing from a discussion is to let it deteriate into name calling and bashing. "Your idea is incorrect" is forcefull, "Your idea is stupid" is rude. >Perhaps a sharper tone will cause people to think or check their facts >before they post, and that would mean a more useful and reliable source of >knowledge, then again I may have strayed on to a social ritual that would >prefer niceties to truth. >Someone please demolish my argument, not demolish me. I was not interested in doing either. > >Darryyl > > > >. > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: URINE PH
Jim, Rightthis exchange is our only hope of getting anywherethe different people on the list who have varying studies and hands on research should attempt to keep open exchanges moving so all can benifit. The Boat we are building to sail to some of the more desolate areas is about $10,000 from completion. She will offer us a platform to manuver from area to area and transfer product, material and research throughout many areas. I will keep an open invitation for those who would like to go to different areas of the world like Papua New Guinea, see things only visable in a National Geographic and maybe help some people who have no idea what a computer ismuch less health. There are places there which still have head hunting as a daily occurance and it can get rough. But in two visits we had no prblem once they understood we were there to help. In the Soloman Islands a bar of soap will buy you more than $10 in cash willso ideals and logic which we live by does not apply there. Life is a learning thingkeep up the good research we need it. Cisco jein...@troi.csw.net wrote: > > > Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 13:39:14 -0700 > > From: Cisco > > To:silver-list@eskimo.com > > Subject: Re: URINE PH > > Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > Joe and Jim and Listers, > > > > Over the past two years we have noticed that with Herxheimer Effect that > > the urine Ph drops. We have found a multitude of foods which cause these > > rapid rise and falls of Ph in the urine and blood. We use Papaya, guava, > > passion fruit and bread fruits to help the body stabilize the Acid > > levels. I would ask Jim to explain why the addition of acid to the body > > causes an alkline reactionbecause I dont have the true explination. > > We do find that in serious CS and Rife Herx reaction that Papaya and > > Oranges in quantity help massively with stabilization of Ph. > > > Hi Cisco, > I am assuming you mean acid from the fruits. The body does not > necessarily see the fruits as being acid once they are converted as > food. They will sometimes have an acid effect, but they can also have > an alkaline reaction. Think about this, I just read this a few days > ago. According to some of the darkfield work done by Michael Coyle, > he says that when the blood goes alkaline, the body pH will go acid. > So the urine is supposted to measure the pH of the body, not the > blood (even though the urine comes from the blood, the kidneys will > recycle as much of the minerals as possible, especially if your body > levels are low, there by causing the urine to reflect the body pH > instead of the blood pH). So the fruits may be causing the blood to > go more acid, but the body shows alkaline. I don't have all the > answers to this as yet. I am still trying to understand it all. > > > As to sleep we have attempted a multitude of measures espically when > > pain is involved. We now use Melatonin even though the prolonged use has > > bad side effects the short term help is required with several of the > > Maleria strains and the two TB's strains. Pain and loss of sleep causes > > some massive problems for healing. With the imbalance of Ph in the > > system an additional problem is created, the system is too stressed to > > work properly and clean itself. > > > > This is the point where we begin using Distilled water for the major > > intake of the person in need. It causes the system to flush and the > > absorbancy rate is incredible. The body of most of the people loses > > quantities of water through fever and sweat. As far as Ph goes we remain > > concerned with it every 6 to 12 hours. Your concern over the varying of > > Joes Ph is a good thing but it does not swing into a real bad area yet. > > > I agree, Joe's pH is not in a danger zone, although the 7.0 and above > is getting too high, but I do believe something is making his pH > shift around like this. It could be the CS moving the pH around, or > it could be something else. > > > It may be the dosage of CS which causes this swing...I would wonder > > where the Ph level goes after each dosage of CS and how long before the > > swing occursJoe if you can chart that you may have the answer to the > > reason for the wide Ph levels your tracking.just thinking out loud. > > Killoff will cause the blood and urine Ph to drop. > > > Good thoughts Cisco. We need to exchange ideas about body chemistry. > There could be some things we could learn from these different > observations. And I know you have a lot of experience working with > sick people there in your area. I wish I could come down there and do > urine/saliva and darkfield testing on those people and then work with > the chemistry to see how changing it around who benefit the people. > Oh well, I don't think that will happen, but maybe we can help each > other out via e-mail, and find some more realiable cures for these > people. > Take care, and keep up the good w
Re: Remainder of previous message on drugs
YO Jolly! What kinda drugs ya gonna buy legally over seas? HAR! HUMORI am over seas and aint nuthing leagal here that aint legal where you are...well septin a few things.but eh I dont partake no more so I aint really interested..some of the stuff is streight outa the 60's! We have access to some of the basics but that is really not things we need...ifn ya have some information I can use to help out here in Paradise please forward.. Cisco tj garland wrote: > > Sorry about the previous message to the list . I was trying to send alink on > how to buy drugs overseas legally. Go to > www.immed.org/free/htmldoc/purchase.html Has anyone used the Health Point > accupuncture device? God, Gold, and Guns made America great! Jolly > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: URINE PH
> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 13:39:14 -0700 > From: Cisco > To:silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: URINE PH > Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Joe and Jim and Listers, > > Over the past two years we have noticed that with Herxheimer Effect that > the urine Ph drops. We have found a multitude of foods which cause these > rapid rise and falls of Ph in the urine and blood. We use Papaya, guava, > passion fruit and bread fruits to help the body stabilize the Acid > levels. I would ask Jim to explain why the addition of acid to the body > causes an alkline reactionbecause I dont have the true explination. > We do find that in serious CS and Rife Herx reaction that Papaya and > Oranges in quantity help massively with stabilization of Ph. > Hi Cisco, I am assuming you mean acid from the fruits. The body does not necessarily see the fruits as being acid once they are converted as food. They will sometimes have an acid effect, but they can also have an alkaline reaction. Think about this, I just read this a few days ago. According to some of the darkfield work done by Michael Coyle, he says that when the blood goes alkaline, the body pH will go acid. So the urine is supposted to measure the pH of the body, not the blood (even though the urine comes from the blood, the kidneys will recycle as much of the minerals as possible, especially if your body levels are low, there by causing the urine to reflect the body pH instead of the blood pH). So the fruits may be causing the blood to go more acid, but the body shows alkaline. I don't have all the answers to this as yet. I am still trying to understand it all. > As to sleep we have attempted a multitude of measures espically when > pain is involved. We now use Melatonin even though the prolonged use has > bad side effects the short term help is required with several of the > Maleria strains and the two TB's strains. Pain and loss of sleep causes > some massive problems for healing. With the imbalance of Ph in the > system an additional problem is created, the system is too stressed to > work properly and clean itself. > > This is the point where we begin using Distilled water for the major > intake of the person in need. It causes the system to flush and the > absorbancy rate is incredible. The body of most of the people loses > quantities of water through fever and sweat. As far as Ph goes we remain > concerned with it every 6 to 12 hours. Your concern over the varying of > Joes Ph is a good thing but it does not swing into a real bad area yet. > I agree, Joe's pH is not in a danger zone, although the 7.0 and above is getting too high, but I do believe something is making his pH shift around like this. It could be the CS moving the pH around, or it could be something else. > It may be the dosage of CS which causes this swing...I would wonder > where the Ph level goes after each dosage of CS and how long before the > swing occursJoe if you can chart that you may have the answer to the > reason for the wide Ph levels your tracking.just thinking out loud. > Killoff will cause the blood and urine Ph to drop. > Good thoughts Cisco. We need to exchange ideas about body chemistry. There could be some things we could learn from these different observations. And I know you have a lot of experience working with sick people there in your area. I wish I could come down there and do urine/saliva and darkfield testing on those people and then work with the chemistry to see how changing it around who benefit the people. Oh well, I don't think that will happen, but maybe we can help each other out via e-mail, and find some more realiable cures for these people. Take care, and keep up the good work! Jim > Cisco > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: nutrients
Bill, Good call thanksgot some good tips Cisco Bill Kingsbury wrote: > > 5-21-98, Joe asked: > > > >Just wondering how silver, selenium etc. is replaced in depleated > >soils. Most fertilizer does not have these things in it. CS made > >even by Cisco's method would be expensive on large scale farms. > >Joe > > > > Some thing to consider: > > Many soils are 'dead', but not actually 'depleted'. Live soil > contains micro-organisms that transfer the inorganic minerals > to plant roots in a useable form. > > The answer includes adding and encouraging 'beneficial' micro- > organisms -- exactly as in human digestion. Many companies sell > soil and composting 'super bacteria' -- see 'Acres, U.S.A.', > the monthly newspaper for listings (e-mail: i...@acresusa.com ). > > Or call toll-free (U.S. & Canada) 1-800-355-5313 for a free copy > of their 80-page eco-ag book catalog, and ask for a (FREE) sample > issue of Acres, U.S.A.URL: http://www.acresusa.com/ > > (Note: Garlic and/or cayenne tea is a good fungicide/insecticide.) > > Remineralizing depleted soils is often done by adding rock dust. > Rock dust is obtainable from 'rock crusher' left-overs (usually > found near a quarry) where gravel is made, to be used in concrete. > Crushed granite, I believe, is high in silver, since silver is > usually mined from granite rock. You can buy rock dust -- see > Acres, U.S.A., for sources. > > Many answers for reviving 'trace-mineral depleted soils' are > available from: > >David Yarrow at Turtle EyeLand > URL: http://www.estrie.com/macphi/yarrow > > Look for the following articles: > > 1. LAVA FERTILITY > - > by John R. Meader > Acres USA, April '92, > Vol. 22 No. 4 > > 2. Bread From Stones > -- > by John David Mann > Solstice magazine > May 1988, pg. 51 > > 3. Animal, Vegetable or Mineral? > Introduction to > Soil Remineralization with Rock Dust > - > > 4. Trace Elements: Missing Links > --- > > 5. Restore the Earth : Regenerate Nature > Soil Remineralization > TRACE MINERALS AND SOIL > secret solution for health > --- > by David Yarrow > > 6. How to Make Topsoil > Recycling Garbage into Greengold > -- > by David Yarrow > Earth Visions #2, Fall '91 > > --Bill > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: nutrients
Jim, Unfortunately I have not read these booksbut I find merit in these concepts. Yet I have seen the killoff of verii and bacteriun from CS in petri dishes at the University here. That is the reason the Prof's are helping me. I believe in the body, however, it may react with different MO. We do find it does kill the TB bacterium in the lungsbut then again that is in an air culture (in the lungs) and not inside the blood network system. This train of thought appears to be going in a proper direction although many things also show Herx from the intake of CS. By increase of the blood Ph and urine Ph we can tell that dead matter is floating around and being disposed of by the liver. For those only using CS and not Rife this could place a small wrench in this hypothisis..but maybe not. Cisco jein...@troi.csw.net wrote: > > > X-To: > > From: "Darryl Jones" > > To: > > Subject: Re: nutrients > > Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 12:33:05 +1000 > > Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > Darryl, > Sorry, I guess I got over your head with this post. > I have been studying dark field microscopy and the ideals of Dr. > Enderlein of Germany. Let me see if I can explain this in a nutshell. > If you look at live blood under the dark field microscope, you can > see the bacteria in the blood. Under a normal balanced chemistry this > bacteria is considered a good bacteria. It helps us digest our food, > and it helps the cells uptake the food. It also makes vitamins and > enzymes. But, when the body chemistry starts to drift away from the > normal levels, the bacteria change to a higher form, and the more the > chemistry gets off the higher the form. Some of these forms are > fungus, cell wall deficient, even virus. Once the chemistry balance > is again normalized, the bacteria again revert back to the good form. > And yes the good form is non-pathogenic, the bad form is pathogenic. > According to Enderlein, this bacterial form cannot be destroyed. It > lives on even after our death. If what Enderlein said was true (and I > believe it is.) then we are not really killing these bacteria, but > only reverting them back to non-pathogenic forms where they once > again become beneficial. > So, my point is that the CS sprayed on the soil may in fact keep the > bacteria from becoming pathogenic, and if it has already became > pathogenic then the CS may be reversing it back to a non-pathogenic > form. There is much scientific evidence all the way back over 100 > years to prove these ideas. > It all started with Bechamp in France who said that bacteria changes > to many forms. But the concept of a different bacteria/virus for > every disease was brought out at the same time by Pasteur, and the > scientific community believed Pasteur. (Actually it started before > Bechamp by someone else, can't remember his name, but on his death > bed Pasteur admitted that man was right all along!) > Well, I hope you are not overly confused. This subject gets very > deep. I don't have a full understanding of it myself, but I continue > to learn. > > Check below for my reply to your individual questions. > > > > > > > > >Darryl, > > You are harsh! > > > > But am I factual is a better question? > > > I don't know. We don't always have a way of checking to be sure what > we say is fact. So called facts have a way of changing over time. It > was once a fact that man could not fly. But that is no longer a fact. > > > That is your way of doing things, I can stop that. I > > agree that you do make some good points. I also agree that CS may not > > be good for the soil. But lets look at this from a different > > perspective. (Mind you, I don't have any proof one way or another, > > this is just an idea I have.) > > What if the CS only distroys the "bad" bacteria, or if you are of the > > school of thought that thinks bacteria can change from good to bad > > and back again (which I believe it can) then maybe the CS is not > > killing the bacteria at all, but only changing it back to a good > > form. > > > > > > This is streching the bow to flat. > > Any broad spectrum anti- biotic such as colloidal silver can not > > discriminate between > > " good and bad " bacteria ...though I think here we should have terms like > > pathogenic and non pathogenic. > > > Not at all. If the idea I gave you above is true, the silver doesn't > kill anything, it only changes it or brings it back to balance, which > is not such a great feat at all! > > > I>f this is the case, the soil would only benefit from being > > sprayed with CS, just as the body benefits from CS. > > > > I still don't get it. What are we killing in the soil that is so harmful? > > > Again, are we KILLING anything. Maybe not! > > > >We are made up of > > bacteria much like the soil, and the CS does not make us barren! > > > > How are we " made up of bacteria " ?... I have never heard of that before? > > > I think I explained
Re: nutrients
> X-To: > From: "Darryl Jones" > To: > Subject: Re: nutrients > Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 12:33:05 +1000 > Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Darryl, Sorry, I guess I got over your head with this post. I have been studying dark field microscopy and the ideals of Dr. Enderlein of Germany. Let me see if I can explain this in a nutshell. If you look at live blood under the dark field microscope, you can see the bacteria in the blood. Under a normal balanced chemistry this bacteria is considered a good bacteria. It helps us digest our food, and it helps the cells uptake the food. It also makes vitamins and enzymes. But, when the body chemistry starts to drift away from the normal levels, the bacteria change to a higher form, and the more the chemistry gets off the higher the form. Some of these forms are fungus, cell wall deficient, even virus. Once the chemistry balance is again normalized, the bacteria again revert back to the good form. And yes the good form is non-pathogenic, the bad form is pathogenic. According to Enderlein, this bacterial form cannot be destroyed. It lives on even after our death. If what Enderlein said was true (and I believe it is.) then we are not really killing these bacteria, but only reverting them back to non-pathogenic forms where they once again become beneficial. So, my point is that the CS sprayed on the soil may in fact keep the bacteria from becoming pathogenic, and if it has already became pathogenic then the CS may be reversing it back to a non-pathogenic form. There is much scientific evidence all the way back over 100 years to prove these ideas. It all started with Bechamp in France who said that bacteria changes to many forms. But the concept of a different bacteria/virus for every disease was brought out at the same time by Pasteur, and the scientific community believed Pasteur. (Actually it started before Bechamp by someone else, can't remember his name, but on his death bed Pasteur admitted that man was right all along!) Well, I hope you are not overly confused. This subject gets very deep. I don't have a full understanding of it myself, but I continue to learn. Check below for my reply to your individual questions. > > > > >Darryl, > You are harsh! > > But am I factual is a better question? > I don't know. We don't always have a way of checking to be sure what we say is fact. So called facts have a way of changing over time. It was once a fact that man could not fly. But that is no longer a fact. > That is your way of doing things, I can stop that. I > agree that you do make some good points. I also agree that CS may not > be good for the soil. But lets look at this from a different > perspective. (Mind you, I don't have any proof one way or another, > this is just an idea I have.) > What if the CS only distroys the "bad" bacteria, or if you are of the > school of thought that thinks bacteria can change from good to bad > and back again (which I believe it can) then maybe the CS is not > killing the bacteria at all, but only changing it back to a good > form. > > > This is streching the bow to flat. > Any broad spectrum anti- biotic such as colloidal silver can not > discriminate between > " good and bad " bacteria ...though I think here we should have terms like > pathogenic and non pathogenic. > Not at all. If the idea I gave you above is true, the silver doesn't kill anything, it only changes it or brings it back to balance, which is not such a great feat at all! > I>f this is the case, the soil would only benefit from being > sprayed with CS, just as the body benefits from CS. > > I still don't get it. What are we killing in the soil that is so harmful? > Again, are we KILLING anything. Maybe not! > >We are made up of > bacteria much like the soil, and the CS does not make us barren! > > How are we " made up of bacteria " ?... I have never heard of that before? > I think I explained that above. Take care! Jim > > regards > Darryyll > > > Just a way to look at it different. > God Bless you all! > Jim Einert, N.D. > > > > > > > > > >Darryl, > > You make some good points, however. I'm going to go out on a limb > > here and say that it isn't the fact that you disagree with people, it is > > the > > way you go about it that causes the problem. > > > > > > > > > > Well why pussy foot around ? > > Why should communications here be all nice touchy, feeley stuff ? If we > > are to get to the truth about the use and abuse of C/S silver then if some > > of us have some really factual stuff to put up why not simply put it up > > ...if that means demolishing something that is nonsense what better way to > > do it if someone else puts up something to knock out a wrongly held > > belief by me, I will be better off for it if they have to apologise > > for putting me right just to keep some > > " feel good " thing going, it might not knock
Re: NUTRIENTS
Genny and List, Colliodal Copper is considered toxic to humans when taken in large amounts. But for plants I would like to hear something tested on that subject. We have entire farms effected by leaf molds which CS has a great effect on but some of the different types it only slows the progression. I will attempt to make some myselfI have a peach tree being destroyed by this mold and if this does the trick we could be on to something here!~ Getting away from the toxic chemicals Dow and others create for our environment and the slow poisoning of our water supplies as well as our selves has always been a concern for anyone who handles them. Would it not be strange to find another useful tool from this group which can help a food supply...even our own? Cisco Zeigler, Virginia A. x1969 wrote: > > Hi, Everyone! > > Here in Virginia just about everything we try to grow is attacked by one > sort of fungus or another (not to mention japanese beetles etc.). We > end up buying all sorts of fungicides and insecticides, which nobody > wants to handle because of how toxic they are to humans and animals. > I am excited about the prospect of using some CS as a foliar spray on my > tomatoes, grapes, roses etc. I have some powdered copper, which is > supposed to be an effective fungacide, but which plugs up the sprayer & > is otherwise messy enough that noone bothers to use itI wonder if > colloidal copper might not be more useful. Just a thought > Also, I wonder if the CS would kill the nematodes (not the beneficial > nematodes which kill grubs in the lawn) which ruin carrots and raise > havoc with the roots of other plants??? > > Ginny > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: URINE PH
Joe and Jim and Listers, Over the past two years we have noticed that with Herxheimer Effect that the urine Ph drops. We have found a multitude of foods which cause these rapid rise and falls of Ph in the urine and blood. We use Papaya, guava, passion fruit and bread fruits to help the body stabilize the Acid levels. I would ask Jim to explain why the addition of acid to the body causes an alkline reactionbecause I dont have the true explination. We do find that in serious CS and Rife Herx reaction that Papaya and Oranges in quantity help massively with stabilization of Ph. As to sleep we have attempted a multitude of measures espically when pain is involved. We now use Melatonin even though the prolonged use has bad side effects the short term help is required with several of the Maleria strains and the two TB's strains. Pain and loss of sleep causes some massive problems for healing. With the imbalance of Ph in the system an additional problem is created, the system is too stressed to work properly and clean itself. This is the point where we begin using Distilled water for the major intake of the person in need. It causes the system to flush and the absorbancy rate is incredible. The body of most of the people loses quantities of water through fever and sweat. As far as Ph goes we remain concerned with it every 6 to 12 hours. Your concern over the varying of Joes Ph is a good thing but it does not swing into a real bad area yet. It may be the dosage of CS which causes this swing...I would wonder where the Ph level goes after each dosage of CS and how long before the swing occursJoe if you can chart that you may have the answer to the reason for the wide Ph levels your tracking.just thinking out loud. Killoff will cause the blood and urine Ph to drop. Cisco jein...@troi.csw.net wrote: > > > From: "JOSEPH T HARRISON" > > To: > > Cc:, , > >"Multiple recipients of list DOWSING" > > Subject: Re: URINE PH > > Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 20:52:53 -0400 > > > > I have just gotten a PH meter and have been keeping track of my urine > > > PH for a few days. Have also checked my distilled water. > > > The distilled water has tested 5.9, 5.6, 6.0, 5.8 Also tested with the > > > TDS 1 for PPM which was 1 to 2 PPM for all tests. I thought that distilled > > > water should be neutral or PH 7.0. > > > > > Hi Joe, > > I have tested my distilled water lately, and found it to be somewhat > > acid as well. I buy bottled distilled water, and I have read that it > > can go more acid as it sets, but should be neutral pH 7 when first > > made. I plan to do more study on this later. Still I believe you > > should be drinking distilled water. > > > > Jim > > I make my own distilled water, by the dual distalation process, this > > uses two containers separated by a catch system and spout. The > > upper tank acts as a condenser by having an inverted funnel inside, > > and the water is preheated to drive off low temp distillates. This water > > is then manually poured into the lower tank where H2O is boiled off at > > a low flame to prevent splashing into the separator. I don't believe that > > better distilled water can be had for a reasonable cost, and I only use > > store bought distilled water when traveling, which has been rare of late. > > > > > The urine test readings were taken at wakeup + just before bed. > > > > > > Wakeuplate in day > > > 05/16 5.17.0 > > > 05/175.36.3 > > > 05/185.36.5 > > > 05/195.06.8 > > > 05/205.17.2 > > > Is this unusual, as this is the first time that I have had more than 1 > > > test in 1 day? MDs seem to think 1 test every 30 to 90 days is OK. > > > The last urine test that I have was done by a hospital on 02/27/98 > > > which was done at the same time as a blood test, was in the morning > > > and fasting for 12 hrs. The PH was 5.2 > > > > > In the urine saliva testing I do, you don't use the first urine of > > the day, and you fast for 2 hours before checking your pH. Best time > > to take the pH is around 2 p.m. Fast those 2 hours and give me a pH > > reading for that, and I can tell you more. > > I rarely eat anything in the morning, taking only a sip or two of distilled > > water until lunchtime. So most of the ( late in day ) tests are fasting > > for 2 to 4 hrs. > > > Hi Joe, > That being the case, I see your pH is moving a quiet a bit. it went > from alkaline at 7.0 then droped to 6.3 and went back up to alkaline > again. You need to keep a record of what you eat to see what might be > making you pH move around so much. Something you eat, drink or take > is moving it around. You need some calcium to level it out. Probably > a calcium citrate
