Re: [RCSE] 2M Rambles
Two meters would likely be competitive with 3M ships? Just ask Bobby McGowan if two meter ships are competitive right now with 3M ships. I think the answer would be yes and I think DP would even have to say Bobbys two meter is reasonably competitive with 3meter, even larger than 3 meter ships. Walter
[RCSE] How do you unsubscribe?
Hi all. Have always been able to unsubscribe from list no problem in the past. Doesnt seem to work this time, is it a different procedure now? Thanks, Walter
Re: [RCSE] F3B (team)
- F3B is RACING!- F3B isnt racing. Real racing is the Unlimited MOM like the ISR event at Davenport in two weeks. Flying head to head in 30MPH winds at 11lbs, thats real racing! Walter - Original Message - From: Michael Neverdosky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] F3B (team) I have to both agree and disagree with David on this. To FLY f3b and learn more, push your skills and have lots of fun does not require much in terms of equipment or people and really not any more money than a good effort in f3j or USA TD. The key comes in if you want to compete at a world class level and win. F3B is RACING! The speed task is real racing where you are either pushing the limits and on the edge or you are not in the competition. Distance, now that there is no limit is like class racing. Not so on the edge but still pushing hard and working the equipment and air to, or near the limits. Duration keeps the planes and pilots honest by making them thermal and stay up. This keeps the planes and pilots more skilled in various ways that make a more rounded package. Anybody here watch a NASCAR race? The driver is at the wheel when the car crosses the line but it is the Owner, Driver, Crew Chief, Pit Crew, Mechanics, Builders, Sponsers and others who work to get him there. A failure anywhere in the team will result in a poor finish if the car even gets into the race in the first place. Of course the money isn't in RC to support this kind of effort so it doesn't happen unless someone does it out of pocket. Anybody know any pilots who might like to join a team where the team provides the winches, planes, radios, sighting and timing equipment and mechanics and helpers and all the pilot has to do is FLY? Imagine being able to drop over to the field after work and practice for an hour with top equipment and full sighting/timing on all flights and no time wasted on setup and teardown? How about having planes and radios so that even if you destroy your primary model the night before a contest you still go into the contest with a full quiver of new, perfectly trimmed, top notch planes. Think of flying a contest where your team is as smooth and skilled as a NASCAR pit crew. Oh well, gotta dream sometimes. :) Ever notice how much faster you learn something if you do it once a week vice once a month? How about twice a week? This is better split up as weekend and mid week than both on the weekend. Even the pilots who fly F3B are rarely flying it more than a few times a year (in the USA), what if they could fly fully measured and timed tasks 10 or 100 times as often? michael On 5/7/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess maybe my point is, f3b seems to give the feeling you need lots of people, spend a ton on equipment and you need specialty planes, which you're going to end up breaking. At least that's what i always perceived. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] F3B (team)
You are right, MOM can certainly be rough on planes, as such expensive, and yes, speaking from experience when I used to race Olson 30s way back when, RC slope racing cost is just a drop in the bucket compared to boat racing. Just pumping the ISR at Davenport in two weeks. If one can make it out to watch you should, very exciting for spectators as well. Walter - Original Message - From: Michael Neverdosky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] F3B (team) That is just a different degree of racing. In AMA TD there is a perfect score. Make your time exactly and a 100 point landing and no one can post a better score. Even in F3J a perfect might be a zero second (say 1 second) launch and land on the buzzer. There is a measure of racing up the line but very little room for change or improvement, and still the max score is limited by the working time. In F3B speed you might fly 16 seconds but someone who flys 15.9 beats you. If someone flys 15.7 then they beat the guy who beat you. There is no 'max' score, you must always be pushing to the limits of the conditions, your plane and skills. If you don't crash now and then you are probably not pushing enough. Unfortunately, a crash in F3B speed is usually very bad on the plane. Of course, a midair in MOM slope racing is also pretty rough on the planes. :) I love MOM slope racing because of the heads up scramble for the line. I think it is more fun and exciting than F3F or F3B but it also tends to be more expensive because of the carnage when things go wrong. Heck, all of these are cheap compared to ocean racing sailboats but I don't do that anymore either. michael On 5/7/06, Marta Zavala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - F3B is RACING!- F3B isnt racing. Real racing is the Unlimited MOM like the ISR event at Davenport in two weeks. Flying head to head in 30MPH winds at 11lbs, thats real racing! Walter RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Anyone selling an AVA?
All those types of planes go up easily, theres no one of themthat is really better than the others, AVA/Topaz/Danny, doesnt matter, other than whats available. Walter - Original Message - From: Barry Andersen To: Skip Miller Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 4:26 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Anyone selling an AVA? I spent a bit of time looking at the bottom of my Topaz L yesterday. Don't get one, they go up way too easily. Next thing you know they're so small you can hardly see them. Barry On Nov 2, 2003, at 2:27 AM, Skip Miller wrote: I always have in stock TOPAZ and TOPAZ L(of course Pike SUPERIORS, ESPADAS etc too!) skip [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 10:05 AM Subject: [RCSE] Anyone selling an AVA? Have a local clubby who's looking. New are sold out for a month at least. Contact me privately. Gordy
Re: [RCSE] DLG models for a newcomer
Epona. Light, strong, highly prefabbed, probably one of the top flyingDLGs commercially available out there right now. Mine came out in the 8.2 ounce range with D4.7s, which btw worked superbly for me. Not a wimpy 8.2 either as the plane is very robusteven withits light weight. Walter - Original Message - From: Burt Pickard-Richardson To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] DLG models for a newcomer And then there is the Photon from http://www.kennedycomposites.com/. I am also new to DLG, and love this ship. No real building, but some assembly and decisions about equipment.The instructs from Kennedy are weak, at best. However, there are threads on Rcgroups which are helpful. IMHO, a 'must consider' option is the Swyft from http://www.liftworx.com/. Definitely not competion style, but more fun in 100gm than should be legal. Build is simple, and a lot of fun both to build and to fly. Instructions as a work of art.At 12:22 PM 4/10/2006, Dave Jensen wrote: I'm returning to the hobby, and would like to get started with a DLG. Iflew HLG a few years back, and consider myself intermediate level. Whatmodel would you recommend for somebody of that skill level, who wouldrather fly than build (the more RTF the better)?Thanks for any and all advice.Dave-- .Dave Jensen[EMAIL PROTECTED]RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Burt Pickard-Richardson710 AugustaOak Park, IL60302-1616Home Phone 708 848 9266Cell Phone 708 703 7290In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice there is.
Re: [RCSE] Wiring Harness
Does Skip sell wiring harnesses? - Original Message - From: John D. Frugé [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Wiring Harness I beleave there may be a backlog on Wiring Harnesses. I have one on order from Soaring USA , Kennedy Composites and also Mr. Hoopes himself.. I have yet to see any show up yet. Just an FYI, John Fruge Ceres, CA James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm with Ron... Mr. Hoopes, if you are out there I need the wire harness I ordered with my Supra from Barry Kennedy... soaring season approaches! ;-) At 03:05 PM 3/29/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Hoopes, If you are out there please ping me. I need to order a wiring harness. Thanks, Ron Kukral SOAR Chicago Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Supra #42 problem
Am I seeing that right? The wing hold down nuts are simply attached to the bottom of that top cap that pulled off? No bulkhead or anything inside the pylon/fuse to hold the wing mount nuts in place?? If soI wouldnt put it back together the same way. Id say do a bulkhead type arrangement likeMD does in the Supras. If you have the holdown bolt going thru the bottom ofathick round bukhead, to which the nut is attached at the bottom of, it wont be able to pull up thru the pylon, unless of course the pylon rips off! Bring out the full on two man tows guys!! Walter - Original Message - From: Tom Copp To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 3:56 PM Subject: RE: [RCSE] Supra #42 problem Thats all holding your wings on Guys, Zenith carbons in stock call NOW! Tom Copp Composite Specialties www.f3x.com 949-645-7032 -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 2:51 PMTo: soaring@airage.comCc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [RCSE] Supra #42 problem Supra Enthusiasts, Check out the latest failure mode shown on my web site (www.hilaunch.com) under photos. The beginning of the problem showed at Phoenix when the rear of the CF cap that holds the wing attachment nuts came loose. I applied a generous amount of epoxy, but that repair did not solve the problem. On a landing yesterday, the entire wing with the hold down bolts popped from the fuse. Fortunately the landing had been completed and there was no additional damage. If you have a good idea about how to repair this problem, send me an email. Don RichmondSan Diego, CA (Pensacola, FL today)[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.hilaunch.com
Re: [RCSE] Supra #42 problem, FIX :-)
Thats a poor fix Gordy. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 4:35 PM Subject: [RCSE] Supra #42 problem, FIX :-) I can't believe that the only thing holding the wing bolts on is that thin cf cap. Very poor engineering. The trick now is how to do something to the ones that haven't popped off yet. I really don't want to cut mine off, but it is probably better than loosing a wing -- or whole plane. I have been following Don's thread, since just after his #42 had been crashed a few times at AZ, so I have decided to modify my Supra's fuse so that that the wing bolt nuts and fuse 'cap' won't give out on mine after crashing a few times. the answer is Bondo...well bondo and cloth. I figure if I wrap enough cloth around that super light pod construction, (picture one of the three stooges with a toothache head wrap to get a better idea of my fix). The glop her up with Bondo, likely it will never crack or anything of the like after its been nosed in hard from a power line drop. Don if you want I can send more detail on the fix :-) Looks like its time for a new pod, since no glue is going to hold under the incredible twisting and flexing the pylon gets during launches and landings. Gordy
Re: [RCSE] Supra #42 problem
From Dons pics all I can say is break out the checkbook! - Original Message - From: Jim Laurel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: rcse Yahoo soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Supra #42 problem Before this whole thread gets out of control, we should all remember that #42 was CRASHED at Phoenix. From what I heard, it went into some power lines, then crashed from around 75ft. Apparently, the repair wasn't adequate. Just because the Supra wing mount didn't survive a crash, doesn't mean it is not correctly designed to withstand the normal stresses of hard launches and contest landings. My Supra will be here in a few days, and I will have no qualms about flying it hard! Cheers - Jim Laurel Seattle Area Soaring Society RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] The World's Fastest Indian
It wasnt the best movie Ive ever seen, but pretty decent no less. Anthony Hopkins is a pretty darn good actor, no doubt. Now the man had his priorities straight: who needs a house, just live in your shop! Walter - Original Message - From: A. B. Lyles To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 12:29 PM Subject: [RCSE] The World's Fastest Indian Hey -- If you are tired of building SP and flying sailplanes, take a break. Take your Wife and go see this movie, especially if you are over 50 years of age. Based on true event, speed records with an old Indian Motorcycle. The man was from down under.( Australian ) You will like it GV. A.B.
[RCSE] Rx ??
Now that you cant get the Hitec Super Slim anymore(it fit quite well in my F3F Trinity) what would a suggestion be for a good,reliable, slim sized Rx? Thanks, Walter
Re: [RCSE] Re-covering an Organic
If you want to augment the adhesive, get some Loctite contact cement, nasty stuff as its got MEK in it then get a can of MEK, nasty stuff cause its MEK, thin the Loctite contact cement to a brushable liquid consistency with the MEK then brush it on surfaces to be covered. It will most certainly augment the Oracover adhesive. Use all the common sense precautions when using this method, cover the top/bottom in one piece, wrapping the Oracover around the trailing edge. Careful not to glue the Oracover together when shrinking in the thin TE area. Walter - Original Message - From: Michael Conte [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 10:02 PM Subject: [RCSE] Re-covering an Organic All, I've decided to re-cover my 2M Organic with Hobby Lobby Poly Cover since they advertise it's the same as Oracover. I was wondering if the covering adhesive will stick to the composite frame. If not, what can be used to augment the adhesive and what is the process for using additional adhesive. I've covered about a dozen planes with Monokote and have had pretty good results. This is my first experience with Oracover and covering over Carbon/Kevlar. Thank you for your help. Mike Las Vegas, NV RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] 9303???
Does the JR 9303 Heli version have all the sailplane programming available in it as well? I have heard it does with the big difference between it and the airplane/sailplane version being switch location? thanks, Walter
Re: [RCSE] 9303???
Thanks guys. Yes a local guy also said the switch placment on the Heli version seemed to be better for certain things. Just wanted to make absolutely certain the heli version would work for sailplanes as wellbeforeI decide to buy one. Than ks again, Walter - Original Message - From: Rob Davis To: 'Marta Zavala' ; soaring@airage.com Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 8:37 PM Subject: RE: [RCSE] 9303??? I fly both Helis and Sailplanes and have the 9303 heli version. I prefer the switch placement of the Heli version. Rob From: Marta Zavala [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 7:03 PMTo: soaring@airage.comSubject: [RCSE] 9303??? Does the JR 9303 Heli version have all the sailplane programming available in it as well? I have heard it does with the big difference between it and the airplane/sailplane version being switch location? thanks, Walter
Re: [RCSE] Gluing Servos v.s. Servo Frames
The frames work OK for ailerons but dont work that good, at least for me, on the flaps. As such if I have them available Ill use them on the ailerons. Overall, I usually just glue the servos w/epoxy/microballons. Walter - Original Message - From: Corey Groves [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 8:02 AM Subject: [RCSE] Gluing Servos v.s. Servo Frames Looking for opinions from people with more molded glider experience. Which is better? Gluing a servo directly to the wing using epoxy/balloon mix or gluing a servo frame and then mounting the servo in the frame. Does the frame approach cause more slop from servo movement or is it more secure? I like being able to remove the servo but I can do that with both approaches (granted it is easier with a frame). I guess I am looking for the most secure or precise approach. Thanks RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Epoxied servo techniques
Maybe you could CA a piece of relatively hard balsa, say about 1/4X servo cased height to both ends of servo. Wax bottom of servo only then pot the whole shabang into the wing with 5min and microballons. Maybe it would hold the servo pretty good yet youd still be able to rip that puppy out if needed? Beats me. Walter - Original Message - From: Corey Groves [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 8:13 AM Subject: [RCSE] Epoxied servo techniques That is something I know I would be very interested in. Based on the comments here there seem to be a huge variance in techniques when going for the glue-in approach. I have only seen two variations where the servo is glued in using a bed of epoxy and micro balloons and is either bare or wrapped in masking tape. But some people are describing servos that pop out of the epoxy easily and others are describing needing to grind the servos out. Can those who have had really good luck with gluing there servos in provide some insights? Thanks for all the information, Corey On 3/2/06, Bill Swingle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The ideas claiming a reasonably easy removal are true. However a disclaimer is needed. A glue joint can be done well or poorly. Those advocating epoxy are actually advocating particular methods that will achieve glue joints which are marginal (for lack of a better word). Done right they work great and remove easily. Done wrong and they are unremovable. I suggest that we spend more effort on the methods being used to acheive these perfectly marginal joints. Bill (just did one wrong) Swingle Janesville, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Hitec Super Slim
Did they quit making the Hitec SS receiver, nobody seems to have them. Thanks, Walter
Re: [RCSE] Supra flies and Marc Gellart
George, how were you able to sit down for dinner man? If I lost 8 liters of fluid in less than 8 hours, I wouldnt be sitting down on anything for the next month! Walter - Original Message - From: George Voss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 11:42 AM Subject: [RCSE] Supra flies and Marc Gellart Marc Gellart called me on Wednesday to let me know he'd be in town Friday night. My wife and I met him at his hotel and took him for a great piece of Oklahoma Beef. I had the Supra and salad since I spent Valentines night in the hospital getting hydrated after a serious bout with the stomach bug that's going around. I lost about 8 liters of fluid in less than an 8 hour period on Tuesday and was quite dehydrated. We got to talk about sailplanes, work, family, sailplanes, the Nats and other world issues. We had a great time and hope Marc did also. If anyone else is coming into OKC for work or whatever, please look me up. I get to talk about soaring more than I actually doing it, so hearing from others is important. Have a great weekend. 16' and snowing in OKC. George RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Volz Servos?
Are the Volz MicoMaxX non digi servos still available NIB? If so where? thanks, Walter
[RCSE] JR Servo?
Where can I get/best price on JR servo gearsets? Thanks, Walter
Re: [RCSE] Carbon Supra #48 flies - weight 61 oz !
Whats that expression, something like good judgement comes from experience; unfortunately much of that experience is gained from bad judgement. Or something like that. Walter - Original Message - From: Donald B. Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 9:25 AM Subject: RE: [RCSE] Carbon Supra #48 flies - weight 61 oz ! With age comes wisdom... :):) (you didn't explain that this occurred almost 18 years ago...and yes at that time I was a tenured faculty in structural mechanics. If you don't break things, you also don't learn the limits.) don -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Carbon Supra #48 flies - weight 61 oz ! ... Well, since YOU are the one who replaced your steel rods with CF of the SAME SIZE(!!) and then stood in amazement (mumbling something about carbon is supposed to be stronger than steel?) when your stabs blew off on the first following winch launch (SNORT, GIGGLE!) back when, perhaps that first description is NOT inappropriate! That incident was (I think) after you became a DrEng, but maybe before you got tenure at UMD (now the story can be told!). Yes folks, this really happened (I was there), so in matters of composite aero structure strength vs weight vs stiffness vs good engineering practice; stick with Dr Mark and ignore Dr Doof... (er).. Don! Good Lift! ... RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Fresno 2 Day
When is the Fresno 2day this year? Is there a site to download entry form? thanks, Walter
Re: [RCSE] Fresno 2 Day
Got the Fresno 2 day info, thanks guys.And no,its NOT May 20/21! LOL. April 1/2 this year. Walter - Original Message - From: Marta Zavala To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 8:02 PM Subject: [RCSE] Fresno 2 Day When is the Fresno 2day this year? Is there a site to download entry form? thanks, Walter
Re: [RCSE] Results of Southwest Soaring Way to Go John Diniz! Planes?
Looking at total scores, looks like three RES planes - what ever LJ flew and two AVAs where in the top ten scores- 3/4/6 best total scores. Three RES birds out of the top ten and at roughly 1/2 the cost, when you factor in servo costs, than say a Supra. Not too shabby. Walter - Original Message - From: Daryl Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 7:50 AM Subject: RE: [RCSE] Results of Southwest Soaring Way to Go John Diniz! Planes? Out of the top ten, these are the ones I'm pretty sure about. If you know... please finish up the list... 1 Perkins Daryl 2503 Insanity 3.7 2 Wurts Joe 2492 Supra 3 Newcomb Joseph 2473 ??? 4 Nutter Dale 2468 ??? 5 Verzuh Mike 2467 ??? 6 Kornberg Dave 2467 Not sure (Icon?) 7 George Steve 2463 ??? 8 Smith Michael 2461 Sharon 9 Reagan Mike 2457 ??? 10 Jennings Gordon 2456 Icon __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Results of Southwest Soaring
Congrats to all the winners and non winners too. With gas prices, cost of attending, etc these days, just making it to a 2day makes you a winner. Did RES have same tasks as Unlimited? If so Id say several of the RES guys more than held their own with the Unlimited planes. I see DP won another one with his bagged Insanity. Bet he even beat a few molded birds to do it. Walter - Original Message - From: Paul Emerson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] "Results of Southwest Soaring" Scores are up at http://www.casl.net/swc_data/06scores.html Thanks for coming out and see you next time. Paul On 2/12/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, Well I made it from snowing Atlanta today to Puerto Vallartawere it is not snowing :-) Sitting on the beach typing this note. Everyone here is wondering about what fun everyone had at the SWC this weekend...well at least I think that's what all the chatter is about(they tend to speak Spanish here). In any case I think one of them was talking about how well Don Richmonds internal pushrods worked on his Supra, and how he was getting a lot of envious looks from other guys who have 'outies'. And I think there was some funny reports on wild landings and flip oversbut again, it was all in Spanish. I guess if you 'add em' all up, the comments sounded pretty positive :-) GordyLife is currently a beach
Re: [RCSE] Results of Southwest Soaring
Thanks for taking the time to write an excellent contest report John. Very much appreciated. Walter - Original Message - From: John Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Marta Zavala [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Paul Emerson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Soaring List Soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Results of Southwest Soaring Just getting back to things after the long weekend. I've got the raccoon eyes face after looking into a very strong Arizona sun for 3 days. George Joy and his crew did a great job running the contest. It's no small feat to host a 180 pilot meet. You need a CD, an impound director, winch master, multiple landing judges, catering company, marketing company and graphic artist for the t-shirts. The CASA volunteers were there the whole weekend hosting, and if it wasn't for their effort we wouldn't have anything to discuss. There were weather reports for Saturday predicting winds out of the east at 15-25. I wasn't too worried about the Icon, but I brought along two pounds for the Topaz. The morning seemed calm enough so I didn't ballast up for the first round, a 4 minute flight. I was the very first flight of the contest, and with a slight downwind launch I was off. I pinged off the top, turned into the wind, and proceeded to drift backwards towards California. It wasn't 25 mph up there, but it wasn't even close to what you felt on the ground. Probably about 12-13 mph, enough to stop the RES planes in their tracks. It was relatively smooth, however, and if you just flew without touching the sticks you could make your time. The landing zone was a box runway, the center square worth 25 points, the next boxes on either side worth 15 and the end boxes worth 5. The width was only about 20, so if you had any crosswind (most of the weekend) it wasn't an easy shot. Rounds 2 and 3 were part of the add-em-up with a 10 minute max. Thermals started popping but the wind had a pretty big influence. You couldn't have one ride for the full 10, you needed about 2 or 3 thermals, unless you had great eyes. Lots of off field landings. Round 3 had a killer sink cycle in it. Daryl P. had something like a 5:25, I had a 3:13...and a DQ for circling low over the pits. So much for my Open score. In all fairness we had been warned; the landing judge signed my card, but when I got back to impound George took me aside and told me I was getting zeroed for the flight. I understand the decision, coming on the heels of some spectacular vaporization of planes that landed on power lines. I don't know if you've seen or heard a smoked plane up close, but you get an idea of what cartoonist must think off when they draw something getting zapped. In one case the line was severed and still sparking. A minute later there was a second bzzzrrap that sounded like a sound check at a Pink Floyd concert. Most likely a transformer circuit blowing out on reset. Because of a slow start, the 4th round of the add-em-up was called off, so the three flights were a 23 minute task. Sunday morning there was a 5 minute task, the third round of the add-em-up, then a 8 minute flight to end the contest. The conditions Sunday were much the same but calmer in the morning. Larry Jolly won RES on his last flight, beating out Joe Nave by a landing. Both those two would have been in 3rd and 4th place in Open, so the RES planes did more than hold their own. Mike Reagan got 3rd in RES flying his AVA. He also got 9th in Open flying his Supra. Oh yeah, the AVA score was higher than the Supra score :-) Daryl won the whole thing because he was, as usual, a landing machine. Incredible control of the Insanity and great thermalling as well. Joe rallied at the end to get 2nd place. Joseph Newcomb got third flying his Espada. He is on the USA F3J Junior team. I had the pleasure of being on the same team during the Team Trials in Denver this summer, and Joseph continued his fearless flying style that most people just don't see. I mean that seriously. I don't think half the guys in the contest could see where he was flying. He has eyes like an eagle, and all his landings were done without a skeg. Try that crosswind on a runway landing. Barry Kennedy was there with lots of toys. I don't think he had many Supras left, but I hate to break the suspense. The Supras didn't win it all. It is a beautiful plane but once and for all, it's the pilot who wins the contest. Oh, except in hand launch. Joe, Larry and me all flying Blasters :-) JE -- Erickson Architects John R. Erickson, AIA From: Marta Zavala [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 08:31:32 -0800 To: Paul Emerson [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Results of Southwest Soaring Congrats to all the winners and non winners too. With gas prices, cost of attending, etc these days, just making it to a 2day makes you a winner. Did RES
[RCSE] Super AVA?
For those that have one, a super AVA vs standard AVA question. Does it differ from standard AVA by having just a longer center section and larger fin/rudder, everything else being same as standard AVA? Just wondered as when looking at replacement parts only ones I saw for Super AVA where center section and fin/rudder. Thanks, Walter
Re: [RCSE] SWC
Yes, with the Supra, the pilot need not even be present to win -even if he is called a boy named Marta. Walter - Original Message - From: Jon Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 11:15 AM Subject: RE: [RCSE] SWC Simple. Marta Zavala won the whole contest with his Supra. Any news about how it went today ? Regards, Dave Corven. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] SWC
Looking forward to hearing first day results. Are they flying addem up this year? If so 1st day results for manyare pretty much meaningless. Walter
Re: [RCSE] SWC
Thanks for the report Paul. Glad you found your knife! Yep Ive seen seen an F3B plane fry. So as far as you could tell the Supras didnt impress the SWC crop circle makin aliens - man Im bummed ! Here Im trying my best to put together a Supra Killer and youre tellin me there aint gonna be nuthin to kill- just my luck! Guess I better get back on that Icon list. Thanks again, Walter - Original Message - From: Paul Emerson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Marta Zavala [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] SWC I left before the scores were posted today. The first round was 4 minutes and then there were 4 rounds of add-em up with a total of 33 minutes. However things were running behind so they shortened it to 3 rounds of 23 minutes (my numbers may be a little off). Weather was nice with a little breeze pushing the thermals away from the field pretty quick and causing a few to land off-field. The real excitement was a plane hitting the power lines south of the field on friday. And then an Icon getting fried on the same power lines today. The icon hung there for a while burning until it finally burned right through the power line, bringing it down. (both times cutting power to the whole farm community and getting the local utility company scrambling some trucks out - neither were happy with us) I don't know if you have ever seen a plane fry on the wires but it makes an awesome flash/noise/mushroom cloud of black smoke! BAP Today after the Icon cut the power, I was out by the end of the field looking for a dropped pocketknife when I heard a plane hit the power lines again right behind me! Luckily the power was off, or this Cherry-red Supra woulda been BBQ ship #3. It was unscathed. So far as the Supras go - they fly well, but without the anticipated miraculousness. I found the pocketknife BTW. On 2/11/06, Marta Zavala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking forward to hearing first day results. Are they flying addem up this year? If so 1st day results for many are pretty much meaningless. Walter RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Wind Question - Not for Sport Fliers
Yes, buy the Supra. Its the only plane out there that can climb out and max in sink; when using the proper joiners, once cored will allow one to set down xmitter, hit the porta potties, stop by the lunch line, then after self thermaling down wind a mile plus, when you finally grab that xmitter, cant really see your plane, end up at 20 ft, dont worry, this puppy will come home and nail the 100. If you dont want to bother with thermals, will launch, even down wind, higher than all else out there, and give you a min of 15-20 minutes DAT - all you have to do is sandbag a bit till you make sure the other stuff up there isnt sinking like a rock then step up(whoops, forgot, this puppy will climb out in sink-forget the fine art of sandbagging) launch this machine too the moon, down wind no less, go easy on those thumbs and you are guaranteed your 17-1/2 minute max. Ive even heard there are crop circles at the SWC. Are they here to observe this mighty machine? Running scared they are! What they dont know, and Ive been told this by those in the know, they arent seeing the best in the molded Supra as the only thing out there that can out fly it is the light bagged one. Yes buy the Supra or forever find yourself on the last page. Walter - Original Message - From: Rick Eckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 5:39 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Wind Question - Not for Sport Fliers Thanks Jim, I appreciate the feedback. A couple of you Chicago guys were nice enough to share your wisdom. After seeing Rich Burnowski conquer the wind on a couple of occasions I respect the Chicago guys! I was hoping for a smoking gun that would be the solution to all my problems.. Perhaps it would be easier to just buy a Supra? (That's a joke, son.) :-) Rick At 10:33 PM 2/9/2006, James V. Bacus wrote: At 02:56 PM 2/9/2006, Rick Eckel wrote: I'm heading for a contest this weekend and it looks like it is going to be a howler. Nice weather but wind to 20+ mph. I have flown in this many times but I've never gotten the knack for making my time in these conditions. Others do, so there must be a technique or trick. I'm looking for guidance. Should I ballast? (duh.) Yes, and you will need to practice with it in these conditions for it to be effective. Should I move the CG? No. Should I fly reflexed for the whole flight? No. Would it be better to fly a shorter wing span or a longer wing span? I'd fly the same model I always do... What's the wisdom from those who relish these conditions? You have to realize everything is happening faster, the thermals are going to be traveling fast down wind. You have to be careful to keep your flying speed up, each thermal turn into the wind is going to slow your model down faster than you are used to, and likewise in the downwind turn you need to keep the model flying and not just coasting/floating in the wind. This might appear as very aggressive (not smooth) flying when you first see it. You have to adjust your thinking to returning in a head wind, your height gain to getting back to the field ratio is different. Also, you can work tree lines, ridges, etc. in the wind very effectively depending on the field. You don't always have to rely on thermal lift in these conditions. Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Insanity for Sale
Hi all. I have a NIB Daryl Perkins Insanity for sale. 145" Wurts foil, 3 piece bagged wing. Very few of these around and a great flying plane. This is the one DP won everything with. Have to be honest, upon building foundthere is a factory issue with theleft wing tip joiner tube being misaligned causing tip to mis align with center panel. Purely cosmetic but enough misalignment for me to want to off it. Im sure it will fly well if you can live with this issue. Paid 975.00 but will let it go for 925.00 due to the alignment issue. Email direct for pics/etc. Thanks, Walter
Re: [RCSE] Insanity for Sale
Gonna pull plane off market. Decided to keep it and live with the flaws as I am using the wing for an experimental type project. Finding another suitable wing will be difficult. Probably gonna off the fuse/stabs down the road though. Walter - Original Message - From: Marta Zavala To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:04 AM Subject: [RCSE] Insanity for Sale Hi all. I have a NIB Daryl Perkins Insanity for sale. 145" Wurts foil, 3 piece bagged wing. Very few of these around and a great flying plane. This is the one DP won everything with. Have to be honest, upon building foundthere is a factory issue with theleft wing tip joiner tube being misaligned causing tip to mis align with center panel. Purely cosmetic but enough misalignment for me to want to off it. Im sure it will fly well if you can live with this issue. Paid 975.00 but will let it go for 925.00 due to the alignment issue. Email direct for pics/etc. Thanks, Walter
Re: [RCSE] SWC
There is some stuff on SWC by a couple of guys, Mike Lee and another, on RCGroups - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 7:33 PM Subject: [RCSE] SWC Any news about how it went today ? Regards, Dave Corven. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Wind Question - Not for Sport Fliers
I like to move the Cg forward a tad in the wind. Walter - Original Message - From: James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Wind Question - Not for Sport Fliers At 02:56 PM 2/9/2006, Rick Eckel wrote: I'm heading for a contest this weekend and it looks like it is going to be a howler. Nice weather but wind to 20+ mph. I have flown in this many times but I've never gotten the knack for making my time in these conditions. Others do, so there must be a technique or trick. I'm looking for guidance. Should I ballast? (duh.) Yes, and you will need to practice with it in these conditions for it to be effective. Should I move the CG? No. Should I fly reflexed for the whole flight? No. Would it be better to fly a shorter wing span or a longer wing span? I'd fly the same model I always do... What's the wisdom from those who relish these conditions? You have to realize everything is happening faster, the thermals are going to be traveling fast down wind. You have to be careful to keep your flying speed up, each thermal turn into the wind is going to slow your model down faster than you are used to, and likewise in the downwind turn you need to keep the model flying and not just coasting/floating in the wind. This might appear as very aggressive (not smooth) flying when you first see it. You have to adjust your thinking to returning in a head wind, your height gain to getting back to the field ratio is different. Also, you can work tree lines, ridges, etc. in the wind very effectively depending on the field. You don't always have to rely on thermal lift in these conditions. Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Lachowski Pod Sold
Pod is sold, thanks. Walter
Re: [RCSE] charging Li-po batteries
Sort of non topic, but with all the press about Li-Po charging/fires/etc, how safe is charging stuff in your home like say your camcorder/notebook/etc. I always worry now when plugging those things in to their chargers. Walter - Original Message - From: Andrew Famiglietti To: Soaring Exchange Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 9:03 AM Subject: [RCSE] charging Li-po batteries Since there are so many knowledgeable folks on this exchange I thoughtI'd seek your advice. I have an Alpha-4 battery charger and I'm wondering whether or notits suitable to usefor charging Li-po batteries. If so are there any precautions that should be taken or special technique that should be used. Andrew
Re: [RCSE] Supra Insanity at the SWC... and giving....
I hope you and the Insanity kick some serious tail Daryl. Dont want to have to sell mine and become another mass market flyer again. Good luck man! Walter - Original Message - From: Daryl Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 4:27 PM Subject: [RCSE] Supra Insanity at the SWC... and giving Hi Guys, I spoke to Barry the other day... he said something about having shipped over 60 Supras so far... so if 67 have been shipped... I'm assuming the best I'll be able to pull off is 68th place... but I'll be there... and I'll keep swingin'.. if I can knock just one off... I'll be happy... Ok...ok I want you guys to know what a giver I am... I actually went to the hobby store... bought some wood to make a down and dirty mold to mold some lead ballast for my Insanity at Phx... just so it won't blow for you guys... if I have ballast... it won't blow... you guys owe me... and since Supras penetrate 100 kt wind at 28 ounces with little to no loss in altitude... and go up on gerbel farts when balanced at 92.5 cm I LOVE having a target... ;-) My Insanity and I will be in Phoenix... bring your singles... In the immortal words of Al Bundy... Let's Rock. D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Supra #42 flies!! But has it's six been flipped upside down?...Supra-natural?
Well this weeks SWC will be one of the molded Supras first test, lets wait and see. Walter - Original Message - From: Bill's Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 6:21 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Supra #42 flies!! But has it's six been flipped upside down?...Supra-natural? Some feel that the Supra is just the 'flavor' of the month, but in fact it isn't even ice cream. Tip to tip, nose to tail, its different. Seems to me that there should be a new Supra Class. Based on everything I've read about this plane it just is not fair for it to compete against the current stock of obsolete designs. I mean, what chance does an Icon or Sharon stand against this new design?? Very demoralizing to have to suffer simply because you did not get on the band wagon fast enough. This could be the end of thermal duration competition as we know it!! WEM RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Cliff Lindgren
I keep getting this crap back about mail frontier from Mr. OSOHIGH everytime I post anything. Im sick of it. No Cliff, I dont give a #$%@ if you ever receive any email from me nor I from you, guess I will just have to block it out. What a nuscience. Walter
Re: [RCSE] mounting servo's in bagged wings
Nice job Dave, thats very similar how Im mounting wing servos in the Insanity wing. One ? Is that a "no trash" euro type sign on that 125 high tech wing servo? Ill say no more! Walter - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RCSE Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 4:44 PM Subject: [RCSE] mounting servo's in bagged wings have some pics to share with you guys. http://www.git-r-built.com/newsmgr/templates/grbNews.asp?articleid=30zoneid=1 Dave Hauchwww.git-r-built.com
Re: [RCSE] SWC on Google Earth
What? Crop circles at the SWC - must be the ailiens spying on the Supra. They feel like theyre falling behind! Walter - Orginal Message - From: John Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring List Soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 5:34 PM Subject: [RCSE] SWC on Google Earth I was just checking out the flying site at Schnepf Farms for the Southwest Classic. Looks like the Schnepf people have done some creative mowing. Check out their crops from about 4,000 ft... JE -- Erickson Architects John R. Erickson, AIA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Lachowski Pod For Sale
Hi. Ive got a brand new Lachowski pod for sale. It is a Supra style pod and would be good for some of you Supra builders. Excellent quality, Im only selling it because it wont work for the project Im doing (not a supra)asI need a longer nose moment. 120.00 includes ground shipping in USA. Walter
[RCSE] Spring Fling
Just looked at the SVSS calander. Is the SF still on for the 20/21/May? thanks, Walter
Re: [RCSE] Lachowski Pod For Sale
Really long tail moment Mike. Shock absorbing nose cone? How would one do that? Thanks, Walter - Original Message - From: Michael Lachowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Marta Zavala [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Lachowski Pod For Sale Yes, Terry's fuselage has a very long nose moment. That would be the longest of the bunch. It will help if you have a heavy tail or need a really long tail moment. The longer Supra pod I make is plenty long enough to balance a model with a reasonable tail. With a light tail, you have to make sure you don't put in too heavy of a battery pack. The shorter pod usually requires a little nose weight. It is also smaller, only 2 diameter. It also penetrates soft ground really well. So if you are in the part of the country that gives 0 landing points if the tail isn't on the ground, it's a bad choice. I like the shorter pod better for landings. Long noses tend to have more spring in them and bounce more. Unless you put on a shock absorbing nosecone. Terry's fuselage is well suited for that setup since the nose just slides over the pod. Marta Zavala wrote: Even the larger pod Phil is using wont be long enough. I see that the Mantis fuse Terry makes has a pretty long nose moment so I will probably go with that pod. Walter - Original Message - From: Michael Lachowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Marta Zavala [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Lachowski Pod For Sale That is the smaller pod, the size that Mark Drela and Tom Kiesling have on thier models. It has a shorter nose moment than the one that most guys have purchased and what Phil is using. Marta Zavala wrote: Hi. Ive got a brand new Lachowski pod for sale. It is a Supra style pod and would be good for some of you Supra builders. Excellent quality, Im only selling it because it wont work for the project Im doing (not a supra)as I need a longer nose moment. 120.00 includes ground shipping in USA. Walter RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Lachowski Pod For Sale
Even the larger pod Phil is using wont be long enough. I see that the Mantis fuse Terry makes has a pretty long nose moment so I will probably go with that pod. Walter - Original Message - From: Michael Lachowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Marta Zavala [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Lachowski Pod For Sale That is the smaller pod, the size that Mark Drela and Tom Kiesling have on thier models. It has a shorter nose moment than the one that most guys have purchased and what Phil is using. Marta Zavala wrote: Hi. Ive got a brand new Lachowski pod for sale. It is a Supra style pod and would be good for some of you Supra builders. Excellent quality, Im only selling it because it wont work for the project Im doing (not a supra)as I need a longer nose moment. 120.00 includes ground shipping in USA. Walter RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Looking for Trinity parts
Hello all. Time to start thinking about the Davenport ISR. Im looking for a full carbon F3F Trinity wing center section, color isnt important but if its white tops and blue/white bottom that would be awesome, but again I dont really care. Just want a good shape full carbon center section. Also,anyone got a Trinity F3F tailboom they want to off? White would be great but again, color isnt important. Thanks, Walter
Re: [RCSE] SVSS Dates
You are back to having the Spring Fling earlier in the year. How close is this date to the 2006 Davenport ISR? Dont they usually have the ISR sometime in May as its a good bet the winds are usually pretty brisk that time of year? Speaking of which, will a month earlier Spring Fling date increase the possibilty of the famous delta breezes blowing during the contest? Just wondering. Walter - Original Message - From: Dudley Dufort [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RCSE soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 9:28 AM Subject: [RCSE] SVSS Dates Thermal Safari - March 24th - 26th Spring Fling - May 20th 21st. Book'em Dano RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Looking for Supra Tailboom
Hi. Anybody got a Walba Supra tailboom laying around gathering dust? They arent being offered right now at tailboom.com and I need one for a non Supra project. Contact me off the list if you may want to sell one. Thanks, Walter
[RCSE] JR 9303
Whats the best price out there right now on the 9303? thanks,Walter
Re: [RCSE] JR 9303
Thanks guys, looks like its Johnny Berlin. - Original Message - From: Marta Zavala To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 6:02 AM Subject: [RCSE] JR 9303 Whats the best price out there right now on the 9303? thanks,Walter
Re: [RCSE] Pike Superior for sale
This really nice Pike still for sale. 1150.00 plus shipping. Hard to beat that price for this clean of a plane. Walter - Original Message - From: Marta Zavala To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 7:58 PM Subject: [RCSE] Pike Superior for sale Real nice, low time, year old Pike Superior for sale. White/Black bottom. Full carbon, full onF3J lay up. Xtail. 341 ailerons/rudder. DS368 flaps. 3421 ele. Ballast slugs. 4cell Nimh, I want to say 2300, will check tomorrow - plane has been packed awaya whileI cant quite remember. Xlent shape, never crashed. Email me for all details/pics/ price(reasonable, trust me). Thanks, Walter
Re: [RCSE] Pike Superior for sale/Sold
Pike is sold pending receipt of funds. Thanks, Walter - Original Message - From: Marta Zavala To: Marta Zavala ; soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Pike Superior for sale This really nice Pike still for sale. 1150.00 plus shipping. Hard to beat that price for this clean of a plane. Walter - Original Message - From: Marta Zavala To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 7:58 PM Subject: [RCSE] Pike Superior for sale Real nice, low time, year old Pike Superior for sale. White/Black bottom. Full carbon, full onF3J lay up. Xtail. 341 ailerons/rudder. DS368 flaps. 3421 ele. Ballast slugs. 4cell Nimh, I want to say 2300, will check tomorrow - plane has been packed awaya whileI cant quite remember. Xlent shape, never crashed. Email me for all details/pics/ price(reasonable, trust me). Thanks, Walter
Re: [RCSE] Supras done
Thats awesome Tom. I doubtI could see my plane at over a mile away, at leat not well enough to control it. But then again Iam abouthalf blind. Sounds like the Supra is one great bird! Walter - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Supras done Agreed. I have about 4 hours on mine. One of the best launching models I have ever owned. Jim Monaco estimates that my launch is 80-90 degrees. On one ride I took it out from less than 50 ft( 5 degree joiners)to cloud base at 1+mi. out. With a 7-10 mile breeze I easily cruised back in the same air(2 degrees reflex)that a Tsunami had difficulty punching through. Build quality is high. On a lab analytical scale the outer panels with joiners were within 0.1 gm of each other! Larry, am I over psyched about this model or is it one of the best we have ever seen? By the way it lands in a linear manner with no negative traits and the effective rudder gives me excellent directional control on final. Tom Gressman
Re: [RCSE] Supras done
I agree with you completely Chuck. If my plane gets too far past the end of my nose, it simply goes away! Walter - Original Message - From: Chuck Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Daryl Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 6:45 AM Subject: RE: [RCSE] Supras done At 09:42 AM 1/5/2006, you wrote: He who launches highest... wins... D Not necessarily. As you get older, you will find that he who launches highest frequently loses sight of his model. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Supras done
Ihave heard the only thing better than the molded Supra is a lighter bagged one. Yes or no? Walter - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 4:13 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Supras done Tom, I agree with your comments on the Supras flying qualities. While no airplane is a Silver Bullet, this one is better than anything I have flown before. It reads air unbelievably well, has long legs, good float, and launches, and lands well. TheSupra accelerateseffortlessly from float to cruise. I really like this because my main interest is F3J and thisacceleration will translate to quicker launches. For the top flyers like Kiesling and Perkins they probably won't see much more out of this model than what they get from what they are flying right now. But the rest of us are going to have an easier go with this airplane. I think it will have wide appeal and with good reason it is really a fine model. By the way did you talk Skip in toflying it yet? I told him to order two, the dayI test flew mine. Good luck with it, and let's not land out after this discussion :-) Larry
[RCSE] Lachowski Pod
Got my fuse pod for the Supra from Mike today. Thats quality stuff Mike. Looks so nice it will be hard to paint it, it may stay bare. Walter
[RCSE] Pike Superior for sale
Real nice, low time, year old Pike Superior for sale. White/Black bottom. Full carbon, full onF3J lay up. Xtail. 341 ailerons/rudder. DS368 flaps. 3421 ele. Ballast slugs. 4cell Nimh, I want to say 2300, will check tomorrow - plane has been packed awaya whileI cant quite remember. Xlent shape, never crashed. Email me for all details/pics/ price(reasonable, trust me). Thanks, Walter
Re: [RCSE] Supras done
My initial Cgs are always accurate to say 1/4 to 1/2 a thumb width! Seriously. Walter - Original Message - From: Jay Hunter To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Supras done I was thinking the same thing Bert... On 1/2/06, Bert Magin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not picking on Maurice or (may the soaring gods forbid) Dr. Drela but couldsomeone explain to me the balancing method and tools used to place a CG to0.5mm accuracy?BertRCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to soaring-request@airage.com.Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: Soaring Masters and Woodies
How long would it take to drive from SF Bay Area to contest site? Was`asking because if my Xmas present ever comes in, 06 Goldwing, was thinking, if I go, about riding out there. Will be pulling one of those mini sized pop up tent trailers, was wondering if there are any nice campgrounds with full amenities nearby? Will it be really humid that time of year? If so may just get a motel. Only problem I may have is fitting the Thule plane carrier on the trailer, may have to ship planes out. I think it would be a fun trip. Thanks, Walter - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 12:58 PM Subject: [RCSE] Re: Soaring Masters and Woodies BWAHAHAHA! There are enough of us qualified to enter that event that we'd go over the 150 pilot limit! What about a class where the plane has to be 'Muncie corn field weather aged, then Daryl will be flying with Mark and his friends!!! Happy New Year to all. Peter B. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Soaring Masters and Woodies
IT MUST BE WINTER RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] RE: cross-country plane info
Does SoaringUSA bring in the 5M version as well? How much would that one cost? Can you winch launch it? Thanks, Walter - Original Message - From: Nathan Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 10:47 AM Subject: [RCSE] RE: cross-country plane info Whoa! Hold on there David. While I agree that the Thermic XL is one the best deals going, it is NOT from the MFR of the Trinity. Jiri Baudis makes the Trinity, Valenta makes the Thermic. Cheers, Nathan Woods www.SocalSlopeRacing.com -Original Message- ...these are the the same guys that build the Trinity, and thats one of the stiffest planes i've ever seen, beside a DS double carbon Exxtreme. Dh RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] What are you doing to kill 5125/168 servos?
Thats exactly why I chose full on carbon version. None the less, under the right conditions with a heavy foot I suppose one could flutter the wing off of it as well. I know they are strong, but to me still scary, grab the wing too hard, and believe me it isnt that hard, they exhibit a crispy/crunchy sound ala the snap, crackle, pop of Rice Krispies! That concerns me. My Icon never did that. I would sell it except nobody seems to want a excellent condition Pike anymore, especially with Barry bringing in the Supra now. If it does decent at the worlds maybe there will be some renewed intrest then I could dump the thing. Walter - Original Message - From: Michael Lachowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Marta Zavala [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Phil Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring Exchange soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 6:35 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] What are you doing to kill 5125/168 servos? You had a full carbon Pike. Phil had one of the ligther ones. The problem is the layup on the really light ones just isn't suited to a zoom in the wind. Marta Zavala wrote: Ive hit my F3J full carbon Pike very hard in a breeze during launch and have yet to experience any control surface flutter. I dont go really deep into the bucket on zoom though, especially in wind. Not because of the wing flutter issue Phil experienced, but because it seems to me a short quick zoom/ping off the line always results in higher launches for me. Ride that zoom deep into the bucket and perhaps youve lost much of that stored line energy? Plus you may just flutter your wing off. Just my stupid opinion. Walter - Original Message - From: Phil Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring Exchange soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 6:03 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] What are you doing to kill 5125/168 servos? - Original Message - From: Tom Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] what are you guys doing to kill the flat wing servos? Ford Long shaft winch, strong winch battery, short (600ft?) 240 lb test braided winch line, no retriever, bit of a breeze. All of that in combination with an agressive (even abusive), unpracticed launch style that generally involved diving too deeply on the zoom and most importantly a model with very heavy ailerons that had a strong tendency to flutter. Just ask anybody that attended last June's LISF (Long Island Silent Flyers) contest. They will tell you what a Pike Superior SL sounds like when the ailerons are fluttering so violently that the entire wing is twisting to very odd angles. This happened repeatedly even after switching to DS368 servos. The HS5125s stripped on the first launch. The DS368s survived a few of those launches although the lighter servo arms did not survive, the servo mounts did not survive and finally, after going beefy on the servo arms and on the servo mountings, the control horns in the ailerons ripped out. I kept trying to beef up the aileron servos and mountings because I was stuck on Long island with only the Pike to fly and it was my mind-set that molded models were buy and fly and the Pike was an F3J model that should be able to handle any launch you can give it. It isn't pulling hard on launch that strips the gears. With the Pike Superior SL it is the going really fast that does the trick. The biggest problem on that particular model seamed to be that the ailerons were really heavy which is bad from a flutter perspective. David Hobby (current F3J world champion and Pike flyer) suggested using longer horns on the ailerons. I never tried that since I sold the model first. Phil RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format . RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Supra Question??
Thanks for the input on bagged vs molded Supra. Im looking forward to trying out the bagged Supra. I would prefer to fly bagged stuff anyway, maybe the bagged Supra will be the plane for me. Been in limbo every since Fred Sage quit making planes as thats all I used to fly and was plenty satisfied with them. Want to try out one of Daryls Insanities as well as it looks to be quite a performer. Walter - Original Message - From: Marta Zavala [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com; James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 9:11 PM Subject: [RCSE] Supra Question?? Im putting together a bagged Supra ala Mike L. fuse/Phil Barnes wings/tail surfaces. It will be a while as there is a wait on the wings, but that is fine as Im in no hurry. My question is how do you guys in the know think the bagged supra Im putting together will stack up against the molded one now available? I know the bagged one will be lighter but other than that not sure about anything else. Thanks, Walter - Original Message - From: James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Supra That's the kind of information I was looking for, thanks. I have seen some of those links before but not all. And I guess it answers my question, there are countless variations of the Supra. I'll be getting a molded one but it seems to be in the spirit of things I should modify it in some way too. ;-) At 03:35 PM 12/27/2005, Ben Wilson wrote: There is one and only one official Supra plan, and those plans and info can be found here: http://charlesriverrc.org/articles/supra/supra.htm And you can get even more info here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Allegro-Lite/ - the messageboard http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Allegro-Lite/files/Supra/ -the files section And there are a number of Supra RCGroups threads: CNC Supra Build http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=364296highlight=supra another supra build - the slow way http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=437733 Drela Supra http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=320761highlight=supra Here is my unofficial take on what is a Supra, gleaned from my hours of research: There were a handful of people building there own Supra before Kennedy got his into production, and there are many ways to skin a Drela sailplane to mix metaphors... The Supras that were at the NATS this year (Kiesling, Lachowski and Barnes) were most-likely modified slightly from the Drela design for any number of reasons. Mark likes tiny fuselages and some of his construction techniques are a bit too time consuming for mere mortals. The basic parameters of the plane stay the same, the construction techniques often differ due to time/material/builder peculariaties. AFAIK, the wing airfoils stay the same - AG40-AG41-AG42, and most of the Supras out there are bagged wings. Mark's original Supra was 48oz and Kiesling said he has three: two 58oz models and one 64oz model, all of them bagged wings. As far as wingspans and such go, there might be some confusing the Aegea 130 wing with the Supra wing. The Supra wing is the evolution of the Aegea 130 wing (which Phil makes for the Mantis). Mark explains the differences between those two wings on this page: http://charlesriverrc.org/articles/supra/supra.htm I've never heard any discussion on changing length of the tailboom, but the fuselages are often resized as Mark's fuses are tidy affairs with little wiggle room. Also, I don't think I've ever seen or heard of a Supra that doesn't use that sweet little V-mount horizontal stab. I have read quite a bit about spar and wing construction alternatives, though that could easily take days to sift through. And finally... There are a few folks producing individual pieces and parts for the Supra... Les Horvath of CompuFoamCore.com had a fuse/wing/tail core set for sale and Bud Elder makes those v-mounts (in varying sizes!). From time to time you'll see folks offering up Supra fuselages, but they come and go. The bottom line is that if you really want to *know* about the Supra, go and read through the links I've posted, specifically the Yahoo group. End of last fall, I put together an Aegea Mantis w/ a Luckenbach fuselage and Phil's Aegea 130 wing. It's like a poor-boy Supra. A lot of the same ideas, but different, and cheaper (and heavier). One day I might get my homebrew Supra together. James V. Bacus wrote: I have read about the Kennedy molded Supra on the web page, but isn't that a Drela Design as well? It seems when people talk about a Supra (glider) it could mean a lot of different things. Different fuses and lengths, different airfoils, different wingspans, different wing construction (bagged or molded), etc... -- Ben Wilson Web Developer/Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 502.836.8551 home: 502.290.0624 Jim Downers Grove
[RCSE] Antenna Wire ???
I want to lengthen the anteena on a Rx, is there a special wire I have to use or is it just standard wire/insulation? Thanks, Walter
Re: [RCSE] What are you doing to kill 5125/168 servos?
I have used a total of 6 5125s/ds168s - four of the 5125 and two 168, they all stripped, within weeks of install. They are nothing but crap in my book. Walter - Original Message - From: Tom Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring Exchange soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 9:36 PM Subject: [RCSE] What are you doing to kill 5125/168 servos? Damn...what are you guys doing to kill the flat wing servos? I used the Hitec 5125s on the ailerons of my first Pike Superior (mainly because I was lazy and the JR 168 leads were too short) and never had a problem for two years. They get killed the first time out with the plane's new owner. Other flyers gripe about constant gear stripping. I have the JR 168s on all four wing surfaces of my current Superior and it has had no problems, even flying at near full ballast in some pretty stiff winds (pulling hard enough to bust new braided line and some less than perfect landings thrown in). Granted, not F3J tows, but still... The JR 168s are on the ailerons of my current F3B ships and so far, so good. The 168s even survived the...um...demise of my first Furio (may it RIP) and that was a pretty violent pile-in. Enough to break the wing joiner in two and split both wings apart - tore an aileron loose and ripped one of the servos out of the wing. Both 168 servos were completely unscathed. Does not compute. Over. Tom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] What are you doing to kill 5125/168 servos?
Ive hit my F3J full carbon Pike very hard in a breeze during launch and have yet to experience any control surface flutter. I dont go really deep into the bucket on zoom though, especially in wind. Not because of the wing flutter issue Phil experienced, but because it seems to me a short quick zoom/ping off the line always results in higher launches for me. Ride that zoom deep into the bucket and perhaps youve lost much of that stored line energy? Plus you may just flutter your wing off. Just my stupid opinion. Walter - Original Message - From: Phil Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring Exchange soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 6:03 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] What are you doing to kill 5125/168 servos? - Original Message - From: Tom Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] what are you guys doing to kill the flat wing servos? Ford Long shaft winch, strong winch battery, short (600ft?) 240 lb test braided winch line, no retriever, bit of a breeze. All of that in combination with an agressive (even abusive), unpracticed launch style that generally involved diving too deeply on the zoom and most importantly a model with very heavy ailerons that had a strong tendency to flutter. Just ask anybody that attended last June's LISF (Long Island Silent Flyers) contest. They will tell you what a Pike Superior SL sounds like when the ailerons are fluttering so violently that the entire wing is twisting to very odd angles. This happened repeatedly even after switching to DS368 servos. The HS5125s stripped on the first launch. The DS368s survived a few of those launches although the lighter servo arms did not survive, the servo mounts did not survive and finally, after going beefy on the servo arms and on the servo mountings, the control horns in the ailerons ripped out. I kept trying to beef up the aileron servos and mountings because I was stuck on Long island with only the Pike to fly and it was my mind-set that molded models were buy and fly and the Pike was an F3J model that should be able to handle any launch you can give it. It isn't pulling hard on launch that strips the gears. With the Pike Superior SL it is the going really fast that does the trick. The biggest problem on that particular model seamed to be that the ailerons were really heavy which is bad from a flutter perspective. David Hobby (current F3J world champion and Pike flyer) suggested using longer horns on the ailerons. I never tried that since I sold the model first. Phil RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Hi Tech 5125MG Digital Wing Servo
Crap! - Original Message - From: Dan Ahearn To: rcse Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 3:26 PM Subject: [RCSE] Hi Tech 5125MG Digital Wing Servo Anyone have any experience with the Hi Tech 5125MG Digital Wing Servo? DJA
[RCSE] Supra Question??
Im putting together a bagged Supra ala Mike L. fuse/Phil Barnes wings/tail surfaces. It will be a while as there is a wait on the wings, but that is fine as Im in no hurry. My question is how do you guys in the know think the bagged supra Im putting together will stack up against the molded one now available? I know the bagged one will be lighter but other than that not sure about anything else. Thanks, Walter - Original Message - From: James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Supra That's the kind of information I was looking for, thanks. I have seen some of those links before but not all. And I guess it answers my question, there are countless variations of the Supra. I'll be getting a molded one but it seems to be in the spirit of things I should modify it in some way too. ;-) At 03:35 PM 12/27/2005, Ben Wilson wrote: There is one and only one official Supra plan, and those plans and info can be found here: http://charlesriverrc.org/articles/supra/supra.htm And you can get even more info here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Allegro-Lite/ - the messageboard http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Allegro-Lite/files/Supra/ -the files section And there are a number of Supra RCGroups threads: CNC Supra Build http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=364296highlight=supra another supra build - the slow way http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=437733 Drela Supra http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=320761highlight=supra Here is my unofficial take on what is a Supra, gleaned from my hours of research: There were a handful of people building there own Supra before Kennedy got his into production, and there are many ways to skin a Drela sailplane to mix metaphors... The Supras that were at the NATS this year (Kiesling, Lachowski and Barnes) were most-likely modified slightly from the Drela design for any number of reasons. Mark likes tiny fuselages and some of his construction techniques are a bit too time consuming for mere mortals. The basic parameters of the plane stay the same, the construction techniques often differ due to time/material/builder peculariaties. AFAIK, the wing airfoils stay the same - AG40-AG41-AG42, and most of the Supras out there are bagged wings. Mark's original Supra was 48oz and Kiesling said he has three: two 58oz models and one 64oz model, all of them bagged wings. As far as wingspans and such go, there might be some confusing the Aegea 130 wing with the Supra wing. The Supra wing is the evolution of the Aegea 130 wing (which Phil makes for the Mantis). Mark explains the differences between those two wings on this page: http://charlesriverrc.org/articles/supra/supra.htm I've never heard any discussion on changing length of the tailboom, but the fuselages are often resized as Mark's fuses are tidy affairs with little wiggle room. Also, I don't think I've ever seen or heard of a Supra that doesn't use that sweet little V-mount horizontal stab. I have read quite a bit about spar and wing construction alternatives, though that could easily take days to sift through. And finally... There are a few folks producing individual pieces and parts for the Supra... Les Horvath of CompuFoamCore.com had a fuse/wing/tail core set for sale and Bud Elder makes those v-mounts (in varying sizes!). From time to time you'll see folks offering up Supra fuselages, but they come and go. The bottom line is that if you really want to *know* about the Supra, go and read through the links I've posted, specifically the Yahoo group. End of last fall, I put together an Aegea Mantis w/ a Luckenbach fuselage and Phil's Aegea 130 wing. It's like a poor-boy Supra. A lot of the same ideas, but different, and cheaper (and heavier). One day I might get my homebrew Supra together. James V. Bacus wrote: I have read about the Kennedy molded Supra on the web page, but isn't that a Drela Design as well? It seems when people talk about a Supra (glider) it could mean a lot of different things. Different fuses and lengths, different airfoils, different wingspans, different wing construction (bagged or molded), etc... -- Ben Wilson Web Developer/Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 502.836.8551 home: 502.290.0624 Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages
Re: [RCSE] Re: Trophies
Frankly, trophies/plaques, no not the kind on your teeth, are a joke! Dust collectors. I say forget the plaques, double the entry fee, couple the money spent on plaques with the additional money from higher entry fees and fly for dough. If in additon to that you feel the need for some other type of recogniton as well, throw in some of those vellum type paper award certificates(cheap). Id happily pay twice the entry fee for a two day to fly for money. In fact Id be more willing to pay double the entry fee to fly for cash than pay half that and fly for some silly, dust collecting plaque. 100 people paying an extra 35-40 bucks entry would give you 3500 to 4000 to split say what five to eight ways, top five open fly for cash, top 2 res cash, winner 2m cash or something like top 3 open cash, first place res and first place 2m cash, paper award certificates for all the rest of the places. Higher placings geting of course the greater dollar amounts. I mean, even bowling leagues bowl for cash. walter - Original Message - From: Harley Michaelis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: John D Frugé [EMAIL PROTECTED]; David Register [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re: Trophies The longer I look at the words plague and plaque the weirder both seem. Webster says plague is a scourge and plaque is a trophy and, incidentally, the only kind worth winning IMHO. The aluminum/brass plates have other uses and the wood parts make great bases when drilling a hole in something. - Original Message - From: John D Frugé [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David Register [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re: Trophies I did go to a public school. In the message below plague = plaque :) John Fruge - Original Message - From: David Register [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 8:42 PM Subject: [RCSE] Re: Trophies U, are you REALLY sure you want to give the winners the plague? keep the main trophy the way it is but just give a small non returning plague to the 2-5 or 2-3 spots up in front of everone @ Visalia. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.11/191 - Release Date: 12/2/2005 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: Trophies
Hey look at the Davenport ISR, fly for cash and the attendance seems up every year lately, even with the risk of carnage. What, contesting for money doesnt mean you cant enjoy flying??? Ive got around 2k in each of my open class planes, maybe even more for some of them, flying for some money would make my enjoyment level even greater. Paying an extra 35 dollars entry fee, thats not much more than a night out at Mcdonalds in this day and age. I mean a whole 35.00 more for some of the larger contests two/three times a year, wow thats a a whole extra 70-115 dollars spread out over the course of a season of flying. - Original Message - From: George L Meyers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Marta Zavala [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Harley Michaelis [EMAIL PROTECTED]; John D Frugé [EMAIL PROTECTED]; David Register [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re: Trophies I hope no one considers this as a viable alternative. I fly in contests for the pure enjoyment. There is no way I will pay double entry fees to fund cash rewards for contests. Contest attendance will probably decline. - Original Message - From: Marta Zavala [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Harley Michaelis [EMAIL PROTECTED]; John D Frugé [EMAIL PROTECTED]; David Register [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re: Trophies Frankly, trophies/plaques, no not the kind on your teeth, are a joke! Dust collectors. I say forget the plaques, double the entry fee, couple the money spent on plaques with the additional money from higher entry fees and fly for dough. If in additon to that you feel the need for some other type of recogniton as well, throw in some of those vellum type paper award certificates(cheap). Id happily pay twice the entry fee for a two day to fly for money. In fact Id be more willing to pay double the entry fee to fly for cash than pay half that and fly for some silly, dust collecting plaque. 100 people paying an extra 35-40 bucks entry would give you 3500 to 4000 to split say what five to eight ways, top five open fly for cash, top 2 res cash, winner 2m cash or something like top 3 open cash, first place res and first place 2m cash, paper award certificates for all the rest of the places. Higher placings geting of course the greater dollar amounts. I mean, even bowling leagues bowl for cash. walter - Original Message - From: Harley Michaelis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: John D Frugé [EMAIL PROTECTED]; David Register [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re: Trophies The longer I look at the words plague and plaque the weirder both seem. Webster says plague is a scourge and plaque is a trophy and, incidentally, the only kind worth winning IMHO. The aluminum/brass plates have other uses and the wood parts make great bases when drilling a hole in something. - Original Message - From: John D Frugé [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David Register [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re: Trophies I did go to a public school. In the message below plague = plaque :) John Fruge - Original Message - From: David Register [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 8:42 PM Subject: [RCSE] Re: Trophies U, are you REALLY sure you want to give the winners the plague? keep the main trophy the way it is but just give a small non returning plague to the 2-5 or 2-3 spots up in front of everone @ Visalia. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.11/191 - Release Date: 12/2/2005 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME
Re: [RCSE] Re: Trophies
Excuse me, thats 70 to 105 dollars, not 70 to 115. Heck that even leaves you 10 bucks left over for a Big Mac, shake and fries! Walter - Original Message - From: Marta Zavala [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: George L Meyers [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Harley Michaelis [EMAIL PROTECTED]; John D Frugé [EMAIL PROTECTED]; David Register [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re: Trophies Hey look at the Davenport ISR, fly for cash and the attendance seems up every year lately, even with the risk of carnage. What, contesting for money doesnt mean you cant enjoy flying??? Ive got around 2k in each of my open class planes, maybe even more for some of them, flying for some money would make my enjoyment level even greater. Paying an extra 35 dollars entry fee, thats not much more than a night out at Mcdonalds in this day and age. I mean a whole 35.00 more for some of the larger contests two/three times a year, wow thats a a whole extra 70-115 dollars spread out over the course of a season of flying. - Original Message - From: George L Meyers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Marta Zavala [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Harley Michaelis [EMAIL PROTECTED]; John D Frugé [EMAIL PROTECTED]; David Register [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re: Trophies I hope no one considers this as a viable alternative. I fly in contests for the pure enjoyment. There is no way I will pay double entry fees to fund cash rewards for contests. Contest attendance will probably decline. - Original Message - From: Marta Zavala [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Harley Michaelis [EMAIL PROTECTED]; John D Frugé [EMAIL PROTECTED]; David Register [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re: Trophies Frankly, trophies/plaques, no not the kind on your teeth, are a joke! Dust collectors. I say forget the plaques, double the entry fee, couple the money spent on plaques with the additional money from higher entry fees and fly for dough. If in additon to that you feel the need for some other type of recogniton as well, throw in some of those vellum type paper award certificates(cheap). Id happily pay twice the entry fee for a two day to fly for money. In fact Id be more willing to pay double the entry fee to fly for cash than pay half that and fly for some silly, dust collecting plaque. 100 people paying an extra 35-40 bucks entry would give you 3500 to 4000 to split say what five to eight ways, top five open fly for cash, top 2 res cash, winner 2m cash or something like top 3 open cash, first place res and first place 2m cash, paper award certificates for all the rest of the places. Higher placings geting of course the greater dollar amounts. I mean, even bowling leagues bowl for cash. walter - Original Message - From: Harley Michaelis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: John D Frugé [EMAIL PROTECTED]; David Register [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re: Trophies The longer I look at the words plague and plaque the weirder both seem. Webster says plague is a scourge and plaque is a trophy and, incidentally, the only kind worth winning IMHO. The aluminum/brass plates have other uses and the wood parts make great bases when drilling a hole in something. - Original Message - From: John D Frugé [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David Register [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re: Trophies I did go to a public school. In the message below plague = plaque :) John Fruge - Original Message - From: David Register [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 8:42 PM Subject: [RCSE] Re: Trophies U, are you REALLY sure you want to give the winners the plague? keep the main trophy the way it is but just give a small non returning plague to the 2-5 or 2-3 spots up in front of everone @ Visalia. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.11/191 - Release Date: 12/2/2005 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe
Re: [RCSE] Western States Triad?
Maybe because thru 5th placewould include the majority of those that make all three contests???I saw it somewhere can remember - how many acrually competed for it at all three in 05? Walter - Original Message - From: John D Frugé To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 11:36 AM Subject: [RCSE] Western States Triad? A fellow club member and I were at a practice field talking about the (Western) 2006 TD season. After talking for abit we asked each other why they don't offer say 2nd - 5th place plaque to go along with the 1st place Western states Triad trophy ? To us this seemed like a very good idea for those who plan on making all 3 events this next season. I am sure this may have come up before but please give me your thought? Also, I do know that bringing this up may cause work for myself if I end up appointed with the task of supplying the plaques :) Happy offseason to all, John Fruge Ceres, CA
Re: [RCSE] Pile Plus Lt for sale
Hey Kurt, are you plagued by piles?? Plus sized ones even worse dude!! - Original Message - From: Kurt Hayden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 9:37 AM Subject: [RCSE] Pile Plus Lt for sale I have a Pike Plus LT (NIB) for sale - $680 plus shipping. Colors are yellow and purple. Please e-mail me for digital pics of the model. Kurt RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] If you ain't ordered your Supra yet....good luck!'
Ive heard and fallen for the next latest and greatest "silver bullet" out there.The number oftimes Ive heard, 'this is the best plane Ive ever flown" by some enthusiast I cant even remember. Maybe the Supra is just that, but I am going to fight off my urge to try one til it has some time on it and see how it truly stacks up. As far as your comments on the Supra Gordy, that is great but none the less I feel youmay bedoing what you probably do best and that is sales. Walter - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 9:01 AM Subject: [RCSE] "If you ain't ordered your Supra yetgood luck!' Hi buds, Here's a heads up on the Supra...if you have not put your money down on a pair, good luck on making it for next season Whole teams of F3J ers are on the list. No one but Tom K knows whether or not it will be the silver bullet of soaring, but a lot of really focused thumbs have their prints on the list. The initial consensus is that it will be one of those ships that will help the middle of the pack guys move up some, but won't have that effect on the top 10 finisher types, other than to keep the playing field even among those flying them. We'll see, but in any case looking forward to any new sailplane is half the fun! Done on the beach for today, so looks like its time for some jet ski rental :-) Gordy Warm and light breeze here in Aruba
Re: [RCSE] Aint ordered Supra/ off topic/ sorry
Title: Re: [RCSE] "If you ain't ordered your Supra yetgood luck!' The Natalee Holloway murder was truly tragic. No doubt the govt of Aruba did not cooperate with the investigation into her diappearence. Justice has not been served in Aruba, there is no question of that. Countries that allow murderers/etc to run free need to have some accountability and perhaps a boycott of Aruba is the start of that. On another note,I suppose OJ didnt murder Nicole and Mr. Jacksonis most definitely a personin whose handsI would entrust my children. Walter - Original Message - From: Jim Holliman To: RC Soaring Exchange Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] "If you ain't ordered your Supra yetgood luck!' [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11-16-05 11:01 AM: GordyWarm and light breeze here in ArubaGordy;I didnt make this for public consumption, just yours, but I feel strongly about the subject.According to CNN the Alabama governor, Bob Riley, joined family of the young Natalee Holloway, who was allegedly killed in Aruba by the son of a judge, in asking the citizens of the USA to boycott travel to Aruba. They claim that it is readily apparent that the government of Aruba has not fully cooperated with the investigation into her disappearance. I agree.So what are you doing there? Youre not an investigator, you are a salesman. Are you seeing if it is safe for your daughter?A few years ago you were kind enough to give me some good flying lessons and I do appreciate them and your generosity, but ignoring the recent events in Aruba is irresponsible. Because the Aruban government is quite concerned with the boycott Im sure you got a hell of a deal on the trip and accommodations, but it is still irresponsible. Cut your trip short and get yourself and your money the hell out of Aruba.Jim Holliman OklahomaTULSOARAMA
[RCSE] Pike Superior For Sale
Full carbon Pike Superior Xtail for sale. White top/black bottoms. 341s ailerons/rudder, 368s flaps, 3421 elevator, 2100 battery pack, ballast. Flown very little, excellent condition. 1475.00 plus shipping. PM for all details/etc
[RCSE] DLGs for sale
Hate to do it, but lower back/disc problems are forcing me to give up DLG. Ended up in the ERthis weekenddue to old back injuries flaring up as a result of DLG.AssuchI have a Epona DLG and a Photon II for sale. 280.00 Epona and 125.00 PII.Epona is complete, RTF, JR241s R/E, D60s wing, Berg MicroStamp, NIMH batteries. PII needs a Rx. GWS/Cirrus servos, NIMH batteries(380). Also have a Blaster Pod/Boom/Tail feathers, 40.00.Prefer SFBay Area sale as Id rather not ship DLGs. PM me for all details.
Re: [RCSE] DLGs for sale
Sorry guys, its all sold, locally. thanks, Walter - Original Message - From: Marta Zavala To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 7:26 AM Subject: [RCSE] DLGs for sale Hate to do it, but lower back/disc problems are forcing me to give up DLG. Ended up in the ERthis weekenddue to old back injuries flaring up as a result of DLG.AssuchI have a Epona DLG and a Photon II for sale. 280.00 Epona and 125.00 PII.Epona is complete, RTF, JR241s R/E, D60s wing, Berg MicroStamp, NIMH batteries. PII needs a Rx. GWS/Cirrus servos, NIMH batteries(380). Also have a Blaster Pod/Boom/Tail feathers, 40.00.Prefer SFBay Area sale as Id rather not ship DLGs. PM me for all details.
[RCSE] RE: DLGs for Sale- Sold
Posted this earlier, but still getting many inquiries. Sorry guys, everything sold in minutes locally, one guy bought it all. Thanks for replies. Walter
RE: [RCSE] NCSH Association aka NCSS
That's pretty funny Cliff! I personally aint a soaring club kinda guy, but can see from your post you most definitely are! Sounds to me like you are working hard on your campaign- best of luck to you Prez. Imagine that, Cliff Lindgren, AKA Oh So High (whadayah mean by that anyway, Cliffy boy?) new Prez of NCSH, oops, I mean NCSS. Wow! Now that would be cool Walter -Original Message- From: Cliff E-Mail [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 5:43 AM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] NCSH Association aka NCSS Northern California Sheepherders Association formerly known as Northern California Slope Soarers needs YOU! Wanted: Sheepherders for lost Sheep. Baaa...Baaa...Baaa!! AMA approved club, (NCSH association formerly known as Northern California Slope Soarers) seeks Shepherd's to administer and direct certain members in every step, breath, and cerebellum function for even the most menial of tasks and decisions. Forthcoming elections will most likely displace/replace the current pseudo-dysfunctional faction in charge, (maybe.maybe not) and many members/Ewes/lambs (no Rams with testicles, so don't worry about sheep wandering off with other leaders) in need of direction will be seeking guidance from ~anyone~. Urgent/immediate response and help is requested, as these wandering clubbers just need/have to be told what to do, and the forthcoming changing of the guard has them in a quandary. We call on the vast diversity of the soaring community to help this wandering bleating flock. Is there help out there in the soaring community? Let these Sheep feel the love! Join NCSS Group Yahoo and give the love that is so needed! Thank you for your help! Cliff Lindgren P.S. Please help soon. I can't sleep at night. I keep waking up after hearing the mournful bleating and the pitter patter of little lamb's hooves running around in confused circles. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Looking for SBXC/Trade
Im looking to possibly work out a deal for an SBXC. Ive got a real nice full carbon F3J Pike Superior Xtail white top/black bottom for excellent visibility. Never crashed/broken/etc. Ready to fly sans Rx. Looking to possibly work out a deal for an SBXC in excellent shape , a NIB unbuilt one would be even better. There is a XC contest coming up in Sacramento. I plan on going to check it out, if you are interested and are going to the contest we could talk, you could check out and fly the Pike if you like. PM me if interested. Walter
[RCSE] unsubscribing help
Hi. Ive tried to unsubscribe from list. I received a notice saying I would receive a verification request but have still not received it. Ive unsubscribed several times before with no problems, not sure whats happening this time. Who do I contact about this? Thanks, Walter RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Pike Superior/Insanity
Any Insanity owners interested in trading for a three week old like new full carbon Pike Superior x tail? I know its a long shot as there are very few Insanities out there, but thought Id give it a shot! Thanks, Walter RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Insanity 3.7 - shameless plug for Sal
I saw that plane fly last weekend and at Visalia. Its a really good flying plane. Seemed to me it really pulled hard on launch. Didnt see it land at SVSS but did at Visalia and it really does come in slow. Liked it so much I called NSP about a kit. To my surprise was told they dont make kits. Only RTF planes complete w/all JR electronics. I was quoted 1700.00. Not sure why its only offered RTF/all electronics??? I guess subtracting say 650.00 for gear/install that would put the plane around 1050.00. Will probably still buy one someday but really would rather build out my own plane with my own gear. None the less the plane flies very, very good. A two meter its certainly NOT, its big. Walter -Original Message- From: Daryl Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com soaring@airage.com Date: Friday, July 01, 2005 8:07 AM Subject: [RCSE] Insanity 3.7 - shameless plug for Sal Hey Guys, After the Spring Fling, I've been getting a lot of private emails regarding the Insanity 3.7, so I thought I'd post a little about the model. With my broken full scale planes this year, I haven't had a chance to head to So Cal to fly the contest circuit, but I had really wanted to, because this thing is like cheating. Now that I've got some contest time on the model, I'm more comfortable talking about it than last year. It's so easy to fly, and even easier to land. Mine weighs in at 83 ounces, but I am using some super heavy stabs that I bagged at home with some carbon I had laying aroundIf I were using the stabs from Sal, it would take 3-4 ounces out of the model. Even at 83 ounces, the model feels almost too light for me. It flies soo slooow. The wing loading is under 9 ounces/ft. Even though it's light, due to the span, it still covers ground quite well, and because of the light loading, lands almost stupid slow. The moments on the model are quite generous, (lng tail boom) so even at very slow speeds on final, it tracks quite nicely. Stats: Span - 145 Area - Don't remember (I recall 1350 ish) Section - A JW section - TDtry19 (same as the Fusion section) I've only flown it in Majors. It's the model I flew at the Nats last year (although with a completely re-shaped and re-tooled fuse - much prettier and lighter now), I flew it at Visalia, SWC, and now Spring Fling. For AMA style TD, I wouldn't fly anything else. I believe Sal is selling them, although due to the labor in them, Phil is whining about making the wings. So there may be a bit of a delay. There is a lot of work in them. Makes it a bit pricey. The wings are turning out to be super strong - much to the shagrin of the SVSS winch crews. I kept breaking lines tapping all the way up tow. Sorry guys! I was tappin'... It's very lively for the span - if it wasn't it would make me crazy. Rolling circles are fun, inverted flight is hands off, outsides are tight... it's just fun to fly. And most importantly, it's not a 2 meter. Chuck would like it he can see it ;-) If you're in Muncie, come by and check it out. I'll have it out for Open Class. See y'all at the Nats! D Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Insanity 3.7 - shameless plug for Sal
1700.00 w/all gear installed. That is what NSP quoted me. Said no kits were offered, only complete RTF planes. -Original Message- From: Don Copley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: D Hauch [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com soaring@airage.com Date: Friday, July 01, 2005 1:41 PM Subject: RE: [RCSE] Insanity 3.7 - shameless plug for Sal Don't fly it into a heard of Zebra~ ;-) Looks good! Anybody got a firm price on it? That looks like my next year model... Don -Original Message- From: D Hauch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 2:40 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Insanity 3.7 - shameless plug for Sal I flew one of these for a bit untill someone bought it off me. Great flying plane. Couldn't beleive how agile it was, talk about hang. Even got the winch to moan on a down wind launch. There's a pic of it in my photo's, first one. Sent it to Africa. (you'll see) :-) Dave Hauch www.git-r-built.com - Original Message - From: Michael Lachowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Insanity 3.7 - shameless plug for Sal Does Sal make sailplanes? What size Lipo's does it take and how is it at 3D maneuvers ;-) I guess someone can start some Sal bashing. We've been through a whole bunch of other recurring topics recently, but haven't done any Sal bashing. Gordy bashing is probably more fun... RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Its Not the Plane-again
Seeing the posts about the Insanity we gotta get back to whos flying the plane. As good as the Insanity seems to be, its still the pilot. Case in point, last weeks SVSS Sprig Fling. The overall winner was?? Bobby McGowan. Was he flying a ultra high performance, high A/R, super foiled bird? Nope, a 2M Image. Doesnt that plane have your basic 7035? He smoked some pretty good pilots with that little 2M thing! Walter RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Carbon Pike Superior for Sale
Full on F3J Carbon Pike Superior for sale. Almost new. 4-5 flying sessions with it max. No crashes/dings,cracks, etc, new condition like it almost is. White top/black bottom. 368s flaps, 341s ailerons/rudder. 3421 elevator. Greening mounts. 2300 NIMH battery. Ballast. Top driven ailerons, bottom driven flaps. Removeable McCann Skeg on nose. Jim Bag. 1750.00 plus shipping. Thanks, Walter RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Pike fly good....still
Wanted to see what all the fuss is about this plane so I bought and have just the past couple days put a little stick time on the Pike Superior. Its a nice flying plane. Had to move the Cg waaay behind what is suggested. Probably will get flak for this but it seems to fly very much likea higher performance FS01 Compulsion, the flight characteristics are similar. I have the full carbon F3J version soI decided to test it on a particularly hard launch, the wing tips flexed, alot. My F3J Icon never flexed like that, even in the wind. I suspect the Pike is plenty strong though, just wasnt expecting to see the tips flex like that. I really like for lack of a better word, the "speediness" of the Pike, it can cover ground fast. Seems to thermal turn as tight as one would ever want, climbs out well and is very resistant to tip stall. I like it. Walter -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Soaring@airage.com Soaring@airage.comDate: Thursday, June 16, 2005 7:19 PMSubject: [RCSE] "Pike fly goodstill" Got out and flew my repaired Pike (the remains of two from Denver) and ...it flys great and seems strong, so baring any more freak stuff, I'll have a Pike for MidSouth. Also flew the Stork with Pike Xtail, now with dihedral joiners and it flys smooth. But what a difference between it and the Pike. The Stork is a smooth majestic, take its time soaring machine, goes up on rails and gets a pretty good ping at the end. The Pike is smooth too, but nimble with legs (at least in comparison to the Stork). It was fun project and the joiners came from both Italy and Norway (ended up with two sets). Pretty plane that will make someone a sweet weekend soaring machine, or a Sportsman's competition learing machine. Its gonna sell at the right price, so if someone out there was a big smooth flying ship, ping me about it. A very nice nite of very turbulent air soaring. I'm happy, you? Gordy
Re: [RCSE] F3J in the Rockies Results
Attrition? Gordy whinnig on the list about loss of planes? Whats this anyway? If you wanted to define attrition you should have been at this years Davenport ISR, then you would know what attrition is,AND not a peep of whinning about lost planes to be heard anywhere. The only whinningI heard was "why cant we have more events like this!" Walter -Original Message-From: Jim Monaco [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Soaring@airage.com Soaring@airage.comDate: Sunday, May 29, 2005 8:17 PMSubject: [RCSE] F3J in the Rockies Results The results are in and Gordy had a terrible spate of bad luck. The good news is that there was only one other plane totaled (Rich OConnell on launch) and a couple of planes with minor damage. While the air was challenging on Sat, today brought overcast skies, cool (55 degree) temps and much more difficult air. The blood was flowing in nearly every round. Rich Burnoski flew a great final day and improved his standing from 7th to second. Skip Miller continued to dominate with his excellent flights in horrid conditions. While only Skip, Rich and Lenny Keer managed to make it through the finals without one zero round, Skip was clearly the master, with only one minor hit and 3 1000 rounds! Attrition was severe as participants dropped out of the finals for various reasons. Lots of zero rounds were recorded as the lift carried everyone wy downwind and with terrible sink on the way back. While there were a lot OUT landings, there were no damaged planes. Congratulations to Skip, Rich and Lenny who showed what difficult condition soaring is all about! The Preliminary scores can be seen at: http://www.rmsadenver.com/scores/2005/F3JRPrelim/f3jrp.htm The Finals scores can be seen at: http://www.rmsadenver.com/scores/2005/F3JRFinals/f3jrf.htm Jim Jim Monaco President - Rocky Mountain Soaring Association Denver, CO http://www.rmsadenver.com
[RCSE] Pike Superior ??
Bought a new carbon Pike Superior and am building it out this weekend. Its going to be a piece of cake as I got the premade wiring harness with it. I hate making the wiring harness for any plane-this harness is really a time saver for me. The plane comes with the servo tray/bulkhead already installed in the fuse. The cut outs for the ele/rudder servos are already made and leave little room for anything much bigger than say a 368/etc. What are you guys using for your elevator? Also, how are you getting adequate TD type flap travel on your top actuated flaps? Thanks, Walter RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Starlight 3000
Any opinions,experiences with the Xtail Starlight 3000? Thanks, Walter RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Another Futaba S3150 question
Having checked the 3150 specs on a few sites, some say you can run it at 6.0v others say only use 4.8v. Has anyone been using 5cell/6.0V pack for these servos? Thanks, Walter RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Great Service from Nathan Woods of SoaringUSA
Have been looking for some S3150 servos for the flaps on my Trinity slope racer. I was able to get the remaining 1 that Tower had in stock leaving me one short. When I get home tonight I have a email from Nathan of Soaring USA saying he will send me a 3150 he personally has, asking that I only replace it when I get my second back ordered 3150 in. Just thought that was pretty nice of him to offer that so I can hurry up and get my Trinity back in the air. Thanks again Nathan! You guys certainly will have more of my business. Walter RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: [RCSE] one thing I have learned about those coolmini electric helis
-Drifting off soaring, I taught myself to fly a heli w/ a Raptor 50. Never used a simulator, but did use a device called the RotoPod, basically a big set of trainig gear with a swiveling/tilting aluminum bar on on top which the Heli mounts to. You have the option of flying the heli on the rotopod head w/o actually lifting off, then when you feel comfortable you can lift off the ground and really fly. In my opinion this was far better than a simulator. Advanced in small steps and never broke anything while learning. Highly reccomend the RotoPod, at least for nitro heli, dont think it would work well with electrics. Sorry for the off topic stuff. Walter -Original Message- From: Michael Neverdosky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com soaring@airage.com Date: Saturday, April 16, 2005 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re: [RCSE] one thing I have learned about those coolmini electric helis Yes, well most of us do have our own way of looking at the world. I liked the post at least a little because many years ago I taught myself to fly Heli on a Ishimasa IH-1, anybody remember those? I didn't have the option of practicing on a simulator back then. Unlike sailplanes where a beginner benefits from a simple, relatively slow responding craft to start, in a heli it is much easier to start on a more complex machine that is more responsive but do get help getting it set up right first. :) Also, sailplanes generally go only in one direction. A heli can accelerate at full crunch in any direction. This can make things really exciting. When I was flying the heli, I was NOT thinking about anything else. michael Ben Diss wrote: The World According to Gordy Brian Courtice wrote: One thing Ive learned is that if Gordy ever finds a post on RCSE that has nothing to do with soaring, we all hear about it. The second thing Ive learned is that if Gordy thinks its interesting, he thinks everyone else should be interested too. Conversely, if it doesnt interest Gordy, its spam. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Barry Kennedy Vrs Others..a personal experience
Funny, Ive never had any trouble with Sal. Walter -Original Message- From: Craig D. Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com soaring@airage.com Date: Friday, April 15, 2005 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Barry Kennedy Vrs Others..a personal experience APERANTLY YOU HAVE NOT HAD DEALT WIITH SAL :- Craig Allen LSF 111 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tuan Le [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got quite a bit of flack for posting this as I know many are Barry's friends. I was not intending to do anything more than get a response from Barry to let me know what is going on. I sympathize with the canine scenario, but even that didn't take over 2 weeks. Maybe some people can put up with a straight lie or two, but I can't. In my business, when I tell a customer to expect something and it doesn't come to fruition, I know I better get on the the horn to let them know. No excuses. And never, never would I tell them something that I don't know if I can deliver or not. I've learn that mistakes will happen, but it's how we handle it that tells people if we care. If my posting hurt's Barry's business, I apologize. BUT IT IS THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH. Well not quite. I had ordered Mar 22, not just 2 weeks ago. Was told I should receive last week. That is all I expect. My 2 calls that got through to him have been very very polite and full of understanding. My 10 other calls went unanswered. When I get no response, I feel like maybe because I am not in the circle of friends, I am insignificant to deal with. If that is so, do not do business with me. He doesn't have to deal with me. But by accepting my money, he has agreed to, whether he knows it or not, to at least acknowledge me as a customer. Am I wrong to ask this? May be so, but I have paid my funds and do come to expect at least some common courtesy. Or am I in the wrong business? Maybe I should start in the hobby. Take the orders, collect the funds, and ship at my convenience. Oh, and maybe take care of close friends first. I do regret having to post this as I got some idiotic responses, but alas, it has gotten results. I got a call from Barry tonight to tell me all have been packed and will ship out tomorrow. If it is so, I will write and post for all that he came through, even if a little late. And to the bone head who told me to get a Gentle Lady ARF as I seem like a newbie, my AMA is 327694, what's yours? BTW I have a Full House Topaz for sale, send me the money and I will have it out tomorrow :). Regards, Tuan Le RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Barry Kennedy Vrs Others..a personal experience
I've dealt with Kennedy Composites before, and it was a bit frustrating due to lack of communication. For a while, having never dealt with Barry, I thought I had been burned. None the less Barry finally did come thru on everything. I think he works at a real job then tries to run the model business as well alone, so that must be tough. Ive sold a few planes and at times find it hard just to fulfill those few sales due to other commitments. After all is said and done I can sympathize with Barrys plight, but yes being upfront about everything would probably be the best policy, even if it comes down to saying I just havent had the time to get to your order. I am sure Barry is simply just buried right now. He is a pretty nice guy. BTW, Barry, if you read this, have you heard anything from Vlad about the bullet proof Blaster you spoke to me about? I just started working out again and feel in a few more months Ill be ready to test the spar for you guys! Walter -Original Message- From: clayrace2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com soaring@airage.com Date: Friday, April 15, 2005 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Barry Kennedy Vrs Others..a personal experience The issue with Barry is that he has been making lots of promises, with specific delivery dates, on his two hottest products and missing those dates repeatedly to the same customers.Perhaps those of you who know Barry better/longer haven't had the experiences that others are having if you haven't tried to order an Ava or Blaster in the last few months. I pretty sure he is overwelmed with orders for both products and simply can't get enough product to fill the orders in a timely manner. The problem is he's been telling people that I've got your plane right here and it will go out tomorrow or something similar instead of , I've got 100 blaster orders in front of yours and you probably won't get your plane for 3 months. It's the customer's expectations that he sets that are now hurting his reputation with his new customers. Barry is a very nice guy for sure, but he needs to bite the bullet and either be more accurate in quoting lead times his customers, or let someone else carry the line for Vladamir's products as well... right now, he's in over his head. Lastly, coin collecting is a hobby. For most of us who take time to read RCSE, soaring is much more than a hobby, although somewhat short of life and death. Our passions run high as do our expenditures. There are dozens of one man operations in this business who exercise a level of customer service that would be exemplary by any Fortune 500 standard. Kennedy Composites isn't one of them, at least recently. Clay Hollingsworth --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jon Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wish everyone would back off on Tuan Le's complaints. Are they out of order for what has happened to him? Not in my book. I have personal experience on 2 orders from him, and personally know of 5 other orders, that were treated similarly. The orders never showed up when he said, and emails phones suddenly went silent. As a vendor, customer expectations on delivery time are set entirely by Barry. From my experience he likes to pass on the rosiest of scenarios to his customers (me included). I too, believe Barry is an honest business person, but I wish he would manage customer expections better. All it takes is a phone call or email saying Hi there. I promised I'd ship your plane on XX date. Well, YY happened, and I now expect to ship your plane on ZZ date. Sorry for the delays. Just want you to be informed on recent events. I wish Barry the best in his business, as well as Tuan the best with his order. Regards to all, Jon Stone RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Futaba S3150 servo
Where can I buy some Futaba S3150 digital servos? Need them in a hurry and Servo City always seem sout or low on stock lately. Thanks, Walter RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Evo vs 9303
Not sure which is better, but the EVO is truly pretty easy, very logical to program. I am much more comfortable with it that I ever was with any JR/Asian radio programming. Walter -Original Message-From: Lydon, Matthew (NBC Universal) [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: soaring@airage.com soaring@airage.comDate: Thursday, April 14, 2005 1:55 PMSubject: [RCSE] Evo vs 9303 I'm seriously considering either an Evo or a 9303 - opinions? I like the idea of the variable 'digi' mixers on the evo, and also like the idea of any function to any channel. The synth/scanner function would be awesome, as would the battery management features. On the down side, I have a feeling that the programming it is a royal pain - pun intended. Mixers being global sounds like a bummer, too. The 9303 seems to have terrific programming, but lacks all these other things. Given that the 9's cost about the same - which is ultimately BETTER Matt
