Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Help needed.
On Tue, August 6, 2013 7:52 am, Len Ovens wrote: All of our packages have a debian/copyright file. This file should be machine readable ( see: http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/ ) and none of ours are. Forgot to add. it would be a good idea to leave a message here telling people which package you are working on so the work doesn't get doubled. Might also be a good idea to ask either here or on irc if the package you are thinging of fixing is still in use too :) -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Fwd: ubuntu studio accessibility
On Sun, July 28, 2013 9:19 pm, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: I'm forwarding this message so I don't forget later. We should probably - Original message - From: Josh Kennedy joshknnd1...@gmail.com I checked the ubuntu studio manifest. I am a blind Ubuntu user wanting to use ubuntu studio and other blind and disabled people would benefit For audio, jack.tools, nama, midish are the tools that other site impared people have found from this as well. But in ubuntu studio13.10 could you please add the latest version of the gnome-orca screen reader, at-spi and qt-at-spi the espeak speech synthesizer and svox pico synthesizers and the propper speech dispatcher modules? I know of some blind people who ubuntu studio would benefit. Also if any audio related software is found to be not accessible with the Orca screen readers and braille displays using brltty perhaps you could help to fix such issues? A lot of this stuff would be best in a meta that can be added. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Disabling pulseaudio
On Sun, July 28, 2013 10:34 pm, Jarno Suni wrote: 2013/7/29 Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net Interesting... I did some testing. Turning pulse off in the session start up does not keep it from starting. Second, The pulse configuration does not stay where it is put. Plugging in headphones takes a HW device that is turned off turns it on in pulse (I think this is a bug). Anything at all that tries to communicate with pulse using dbus starts pulse even if it is turned off. While pulse has a device turned off, you are right the alsa mixer works as intended. So did you do the autospawn = no trick told in the original post? Autospawn = no would be ineffective. dbus gets in the way. For example if you plug in a new USB interface or even plug headphones in, ubuntu is set up to tell pulse via dbus of these changes so that pulse can change the levels correctly. Dbus will autostart any application it is trying to talk to if it is not running. The only way to keep pulse from starting is to remove the x bit from the file name. I will try it anyway just to be sure, pulse would have to look at who was starting it and decide not to start if it's parent was dbus. That doesn't make sense as dbus is the normal way of starting pulse. A device profile that tells pulse to do software levels only (as it does with jack or other multi-track cards like the ice1712) would probably work better. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: ubuntustudio-installer icon
On Sun, July 28, 2013 11:06 am, Ralf Mardorf wrote: My 2 Cents, I'm dropping this one into the package: ubuntustudio-installer-no-background.inkscape.svg It is in our set of branches at: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio/ubuntustudio-installer Further changes if you wish to refine things, can be submitted as a merge... set me as review. it can be tested from my ppa: https://launchpad.net/~len-ovenwerks/+archive/ppa (after it builds the binary... in this case repackages things) -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Disabling pulseaudio
On Sun, July 28, 2013 2:32 am, Jarno Suni wrote: When not using Pulseaudio, muting e.g. Master track by alsamixer or a audio mixer plugin for Xfce does not mute several tracks, which is good. There are some internal cards where muting the headphones, also mutes master and the internal speakers... in fact it seems to me muting any one of the three mutes all three (Intel HDA). Unfortunately, unmuting only unmutes the one channel... which generally means the master is left muted when unmuting the the speakers. This is just testing with alsamixer in a terminal. The xfcealsamixer does not show mutes, but rather mutes any channel when the slider is moved to the lowest level... so if the user sets the speaker level to 0 and then raises it there is no sound till they go and adjust the master as well. I would call that broken. Pulse on the other hand, just works. It seems to be the best desktop sound server around. I have found that just unloading the PA-jack bridge, disables pulse so it causes no problems. It is trivial to set up Alltray (or similar) to load and upload module-jackdbus-detect just by clicking on it's systray icon. Probably the best setup for professional audio where desktop audio gets used often, is to disable all audio interfaces in pulse (set them to off). This will set pavucontrol (or equiv.) to not do anything to the alsa controls but do everything with sw levels when using the the pa-jack bridge. Then use qasmixer or even just alsamixer to set levels. This may mean that plugging in headphones on a laptop does not mute the speakers BTW ;) When set up this way, I have found that while PA does use a bit more CPU, it is not a problem even on my 10 year old + P4. even using low enough latency for live use such a guitarix. Unloading module-jackdbus-detect then takes PA's cpu use to almost nothing and I have never had PA interfere with anything when set up this way. I would not recommend using PA with one card and jack with another if module-jackdbus-detect is loaded. It will cause problems. When using module-jackdbus-detect PA should have _all_ audio HW turned off. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: ubuntustudio-installer icon
On Sun, July 28, 2013 4:16 am, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sun, 2013-07-28 at 13:06 +0200, Jimmy Sjölund wrote: Nice work! Thank you, but the real work was done by others, since I used the following sources: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Ubuntustudio_v3_logo_only.svg /usr/share/icons/elementary/devices/64/drive-harddisk.svg /usr/share/icons/elementary/actions/64/media-import-audio-cd.svg I will have to go and look for licensing on each one then. The elementary icons are GPL2 and the logo is CC (3 I think). Does anyone know if that will cause problems? And how do I license the result then? -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: ubuntustudio-installer icon
On Sun, July 28, 2013 4:16 am, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sun, 2013-07-28 at 13:06 +0200, Jimmy Sjölund wrote: Nice work! Thank you, but the real work was done by others, since I used the following sources: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Ubuntustudio_v3_logo_only.svg This one says that because of it's simplicity it can't be copy-written. Though of course it goes beyond that. However, it is not then CC and could be used as part of something that is gpl2 (which the rest of the package is). -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: ubuntustudio-installer icon
On Sun, July 28, 2013 9:27 am, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sun, 2013-07-28 at 09:05 -0700, Len Ovens wrote: This one says that because of it's simplicity it can't be copy-written. Wow, it's not simple it's a worth protecting logo, it combines the Circle of Friends with symbols that represent audio, a bobbin or a speaker and sound waves. What e.g. does the Swoosh, the Nike logo stand for? Its nothing but a comic speedline. I think that is a difference between licensing and trademark. That is, it means ubuntustudio, but the creator has no right to say how it can be used outside of that. In other words anyone can use it without specifying licensing, but it would be wrong to use it for referring to Joe's Tire Service. It still means UbuntuStudio. What I don't know, is that this is too simple to license, how anyone can own a font... -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Disabling pulseaudio
On Sun, July 28, 2013 1:14 pm, Jarno Suni wrote: I tried to explain that if you do not run PulseAudio, alsamixer and xfce4-mixer plugin work as expected. I have tested it by Intel HDA. As for the xfce mixer, there is more about the issue here: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8291 Interesting... I did some testing. Turning pulse off in the session start up does not keep it from starting. Second, The pulse configuration does not stay where it is put. Plugging in headphones takes a HW device that is turned off turns it on in pulse (I think this is a bug). Anything at all that tries to communicate with pulse using dbus starts pulse even if it is turned off. While pulse has a device turned off, you are right the alsa mixer works as intended. sudo chmod -x /usr/bin/pulseaudio seems to be the only thing that works. Now I know one more reason not to use hda audio. Disabling PA is not an optimal solution either. The reality is that pulse is the most seamless method of using most desktop applications. There are other ways, yes, but none have any good usability out of the box, they all require fiddling. My multi track card is not controlled at all by PA. I am not sure why. It should however, be possible to tell Pulse not to control the card through configuration... I am not sure of the best solution. I am thinking one of two ways: 1) unload module-udev-detect and any module-alsa-card. Then run everything as if jack is the only card. Maybe even run jackdbus at session start. qjackctl should still be able to stop jackdbus (not jackd) if the user wishes to change latency or HW. 2) only use PA on a card jack never touches. Use an external cable if needed to run PA audio to/through jack. (people with FW audio have done this for ages) Anyway, getting rid of pulse for some programs that claim to work with jack (like audacity, that a lot of people use as part of their audio workflow) and don't really, is painful. Going with alsa is also somewhat painful. Pulse is what works with a lot of things, it needs to be fixed. A change in PA config should not change itself and any device should be settable as SW levels only. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: ubuntustudio-installer icon
On Sat, July 27, 2013 3:05 pm, Shubham Mishra wrote: I need an icon for our installer. This will be used in the menu for any I'm sorry but I'm moving this tuesday. Lot's of preparations going on right now, and I don't know how long it'll take for me to get an internet connection over there. No problem. I can get something that works. If you come up with something better later, it is trivial to switch. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: ubuntustudio-installer icon
On Sat, July 27, 2013 3:54 pm, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2013-07-27 at 15:37 -0700, Len Ovens wrote: On Sat, July 27, 2013 3:05 pm, Shubham Mishra wrote: I need an icon for our installer. This will be used in the menu for any I'm sorry but I'm moving this tuesday. Lot's of preparations going on right now, and I don't know how long it'll take for me to get an internet connection over there. No problem. I can get something that works. If you come up with something better later, it is trivial to switch. If no icon is needed any more, I'll delete what I started. *?* Actually I have downloaded yours. I want to see how it looks when it is small. It will end up 22X22. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: ubuntustudio-installer icon
On Sat, July 27, 2013 4:47 pm, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2013-07-27 at 16:17 -0700, Len Ovens wrote: 22X22 The icon I started need to be fixed to fit to this size. The US logo anyway should be larger and the drive smaller. For this size the drive should be removed, for this icon or a brand new. Ya, I took the drive out and made the arrow a bit bigger... but still small enough so the logo is still see-able. I think I will drop it in that way for a first try anyway. I may use the one with the drive in it for the bigger sizes... that would show up in unity or gnome shell or some of the KDE launchers. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
ubuntustudio-installer icon
Mish or anyone else: I need an icon for our installer. This will be used in the menu for any of our extra software installer items as well as for our ubuntustudio meta installer. (both use the same software now) I am going to do the initial release using our logo or one of the generic installer icons. Most of the generic installer icons are just a think down arrow. (see the icons for Ubuntu Software Center or Synaptic to see what I mean) I was thinking that putting such an arrow on top of our logo might work. Or if the space inside the arrow had the logo colours inverse. The arrow could be bigger too or something completely new. My hope is that this would be a persons first install if they are installing some of our metas in another flavour as it takes all the guesswork out of which metas are up to date and it makes sense to install. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: new default theme
On Mon, July 22, 2013 5:49 am, * wrote: i would like to nominate Numix GTK3 Theme as the new default theme, it has alot of good design elements that will make ubuntu studio look more professional One could argue that motif or twm are more professional... at least the last time I used them, themes where not possible. You need to define things better than professional. Does it make the text readable in all cases? does it draw attention to itself and away from the user's work? Is it obvious which window is active? The screen shot looks ok, too bad there is only one window open. But it doesn't scream I am different It looks about like anything else. I personally find many of the current default themes annoying because much of the text is grey on grey and often window focus is only shown by bolding the title text. These things slow my work down. I am not suggesting one of the high contrast themes... but something where the title bar at least changes colour for focus and I can still read unfocused window bars. or by installing it from ppa sudo add-apt-repository ppa:satyajit-happy/themes sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install numix-gtk-theme In order for us to even think about using a theme as default, it must be in the standard Ubuntu repos. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Screenshot for Cinnamon meta update
On Mon, July 22, 2013 4:49 am, Jarno Suni wrote: Cool. Unfortunately I find Xfce (on 13.04) unstable, so it is good to have options. I use Lubuntu (LXDE) 12.04 on my laptop. It has no session management, but it is pretty stable and fast, no PulseAudio by default. ldxe works fine so far as I can tell. Our menu drops in fine. I haven't tried all the applications, but they do install. Jack runs etc. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Application Icons vs. icon themes
On Thu, July 11, 2013 12:38 am, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: Will there be icons for all of the menu items if choosing an icon theme other than the Ubuntu Studio icon theme? Yes, but, the photography, graphic design and publishing would not be the ones we have made. The publishing one looks like a sheet of paper, photography looks like cheap point and shoot camera and graphics is an artists paint board. I think these come from the gnome base theme which just about all themes inherit. If yes, then we can of course put our icons in our icon theme package, if we decide that is how we want to do it in the end. If not, then I'd prefer putting them into the menu package, and use custom names for them. In the menu package, with custom names, they would not be categories, but application icons, and should be put into /usr/share/icons/hicolor/*/apps/ during installation I had thought to put our icons in both places, in the menu package in hicolor and in our own theme on top. That way our menu works away from home and our ISO still looks polished. It would not be hard to come up with unique names though and then we could dispense with the theme and only have them in the menu package. On the other hand, there is nothing wrong with having a theme or two if someone has an itch to do that. Some of the DEs we are thinking of putting Studio with, may work better with a light theme and others with dark. Also some users (who are getting older) may find it easier to see one over the other. (wait till you get to be 45/50 ;) -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Application Icons vs. icon themes
Mish I think I have caused some confusion with Icon themes. Here is something I explained on IRC, but realize it should be here so you see it for sure: OvenWerks zequence: there are some problems I think with what you were discussing with Mish. OvenWerks You may recall, we wanted to use standard categories and names for things. OvenWerks so ihave styled all the icon names after the standard icon names for other standard menus. OvenWerks What this means, is that some of the icons I use (or will use when they are done) in the menu package will not show up in our menu because they are themed over or overriden by themes farther up the theme inheritance chain. OvenWerks That is why we are using the icon-theme to make sure our icons show up in our iso. OvenWerks zequence: there are two paths we can go with this: OvenWerks 1) use icon themes as Mish suggested, one dark and one light that inherit other dark and light themes. Mish seems to have found nice ones. OvenWerks 2) Rename our icons non-standard so they show up no matter what icon theme is used. OvenWerks I am sure Mish's confusion is my fault and I appologize. OvenWerks I should probably drop this in the mailing list :) I am not sure this clears everything up, but as you can see there is a problem that needs resolution one way or the other. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Disabling pulseaudio
On Tue, July 9, 2013 12:10 am, Ralf Mardorf wrote: IMO the claim that pulseaudio is crap isn't an opinion, but an objective fact. Even if it shouldn't cause issues after disabling it, the way the leveling is one (and often not working) is idiotic. IIRC Fons once said something similar to if an audio engineer would adjust the level in one signal chain by several faders at the same time, the engineer would be fired for the incompetence. And one who chooses something that worked like the Intel HDA IF would be fired too, but that is what Pulse has to work with most of the time and for whatever reason, Pulse is what most desktop apps work with best. There is good reason for someone who is just doing audio to have to be able to deal with desktop apps. The second point is that while apps that are designed for Pulse can sometimes work with jack directly... they do not play nice. They auto connect to channel 1 and 2 outputs no matter if you are using 9 and 10 for your output (S/PDIF) or worse audacious for example auto connects to all outputs. Audacity is still one of the top audio file editors. When setup to use jack it creates new jack ports every time it is started, with new names. Then as soon as you hit stop, they all vanish. Reconnecting an app manually to i/o while it is in pause each time I want to play a track when I could be working does not sound useful. Also, when running through jack, pulse only does one level per track and leaves the alsa levels alone. In its youth PA had many problems. Seems it just works any more. Seems pulse supports more HW than alsa does... though not FW, but that is probably a plus. It's like anything you have to learn your tools. It does take time to learn to use pulse in a studio situation. There are settings in pulse that can make it work with jack better too. There is still no phone application that talks to jack direct. But then I don't suppose you do radio talk shows either. Quite honestly, Linux audio is still pretty messy. There is not one solution that does everything well. Jack, pulse, alsa, etc all have their problems. The best solution for most people is to use them all for what each works best at. Having a switch to turn the PA-jack link off at need does make sense to me. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: ubuntustudio-icon-theme
On Thu, July 4, 2013 9:35 am, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: I haven't yet seen the icons in action, so it's hard for me to have an opinion, but is black and white the right choice? I don't know about that part. What stood out to me is the clarity with which they communicate. I think the monochromatic feel has something to do with that. Question for Zak (and anyone else). This is to be the theme we ship on our ISO. There are also icons in the menu package as a fallback for users who happen to change the icon theme away from default to make sure our menu doesn't end up menuless :) and also for users who use the menu with another flavour and DE. Should I copy the new ones into that package as well? (I would be a +1 BTW) Which PPA would have a version with these icons so we can test them? I can branch and create one (a snapshot version) if Mish doesn't want to. I have the tools installed anyway. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
New icons Screen shot
First off, if you want to play with them, they are available for saucy at: https://launchpad.net/~len-ovenwerks/+archive/ppa But the screen shot is at: http://www.ovenwerks.net/UStudiodocs/menu.html Hit the reload if it is not the first thing on top. These are just proposed at this time, so comments would be great. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: ubuntustudio-icon-theme
On Sat, June 29, 2013 9:25 pm, Shubham Mishra wrote: That's good then. The link to mine is this in case you're wondering. (https://code.launchpad.net/~mishrashubham2007/+junk/UbuntuStudio) Wow! now we know why Len normally doesn't do icons... Those are great. Let me know when you are ready to release. I will branch and put a snapshot up on my PPA (or you can do so on your own) and install it on a machine so I can get a screen shot for our art lead to look at. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: ubuntustudio-icon-theme
On Sat, June 29, 2013 5:50 am, Shubham Mishra wrote: Thanks for answering the questions. You answered them pretty well. I Thanks installed bazaar and made a branch like you told me to. So far I seem to have understood most of it. I guess I'll learn more when I eventually make a mistake, so brace yourselves :D. Thats the nice thing about a branch and lots of commits, I can look at it before I do a merge, or even branch off of your branch build a package to try. In any case it is pretty hard to truly hurt something. No worries. I have one more question. The directory contains only 48x48 PNGs of the icons. Does that mean the other resolutions are created during build time from these ones? No, 48x48 is the bare minimum, the panel or file manager creates whatever size it needs on the fly if it can't find the right size pre-made. I was unable to get the 22x22 size to look any better than the panel menu was... sometimes worse. So we should have 22x as well. The 22x can even be different if it makes it easier to recognize. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: ubuntustudio-icon-theme
Sorry, I guess I was using ideas that expected you to already know what I was saying... I am not a good teacher. I will try hard to explain below in answer to points. (scroll down for more info) On Fri, June 28, 2013 5:36 am, Shubham Mishra wrote: On 06/22/2013 11:31 AM, Len Ovens wrote: Hello Mish, I am not sure how you would like to work on the icon theme. It might be easiest to keep your own branch updated and we can merge it with main any time you feel a releasable step has been made. We can also release snapshots in your own ppa or the US ppa so that you or the rest of us can test it before release. I have found the easiest way to test things like this is to just install the file on my own machine and see how it works. Let me know if you need any help at all. Hi Len Sorry for the late reply. I've been sick the entire last week so I could only check my mail now. I am not sure I get what you're trying to say. When you say 'snapshot', do you mean a package which after installing would replace the old icons with the ones in the package? No need to worry about snapshot. What it means is like an in-between quick test release. Also when you say icon-theme, do you mean the icons for the menu or a general icon theme for everything? Either/and/or I want you to feel free to do as much or little as you feel like/have time for. I have forked the menu icons we use so that even if the ubuntustudio icon theme is not used our menu items will still have some sort of icon. So if you change those icons in the ubuntustudio icon theme they will override the ones I have made, but if the user decides to use some other icon theme, our menus will still work... sort of a backup. Obviously having our menu icons look unified with each other as well as the desktop theme (and nicer than mine) are priorities. Our icon theme bypasses xubuntu's.. I am not sure that is a great idea as we are using the same desktop theme and so their icon theme might match the desktop rather well and be a good starting point. If you have ubuntustudio loaded you should be able to install the xubuntu-icon-theme package and select it to see what it looks like. If you don't like it, you are welcome to come up with your own too. Also is there a page on the wiki or somewhere where we can look at what we already have and what needs to be worked on or improved upon? Because I'm somewhat confused as to what I need to work on now. Sorry for all the questions Good questions :) We are using only two of your icons right now for video and mixers. They both have a similar style Mine have a similar style too... similar to my 7 year old's drawings :P Basically anything that can look more polished than what I have done. The Audio production and submenus, publishing (that one just looks like a document right now), Photography, Graphic design. Those are the main ones I would like to see redone. In the style of what you have done so far. You can of coarse do some of the other menu icons as well, media playback for example or even play with the ubuntustudio icon... so long as the logo still looks like our logo :) If you have a launchpad account, you should be able to install bzr and do a: bzr branch lp:~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-icon-theme/UbuntuStudio in a directory set aside for this like ~/software/icons for example. This will put a copy of the the ubunto studio icon theme in that directory. Make a change, update the debian/changelog file and then do a: bzr commit -m added silly icon to bug Len (well I hope your comment makes more sense, I normally use the same text I added to the changelog) When you have done some changes and would like us to look at them or add them to the main package. You should be able to go to your lauchpad home page and make sure you have your ssh keys set up right for that machine. Then you can go to your Code page. (see the word Code at the top of the page right under your name. Not too far down you will see a bzr push command for your page. So you want to be in your terminal in the directory where you can see the debian and usr directories, (~/software/icons/ubuntustudio/ in the example I showed above) and do that bzr push command but with a branch name of ubuntustudio-icon-theme. This will upload your work to your code page. You can then post the url of your code page in the mailing list of the irc channel and one of us can look at it and merge it into the the main branch. Probably still not really clear :) but there are some help icons along the way on your home pages in launchpad too. Ignore any of this stuff you already know... ask about anything not clear. This is a long term project so there is no rush or pressure. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: To add to the menus? A meta installer
On Sun, June 23, 2013 10:33 am, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: How wide a range of systems do you think that can be made to work in? Work? The word work could be deceiving. The installer itself would work on any ubuntu and any derivative. I am not sure how widespread the tools I used are outside of that. There are a lot of external derivatives of Ubuntu these days (not just Mint), Mint should not be a problem as it uses the same versions (raring, saucy) plus there is Debian, which Ubuntu and everything downstream from it is based. On debian it will probably work... but it may try to download ubuntu specific libs where the debian version is already there. Unfortunately the meta packages will be tied to ubuntu repos. We could include the the metas as part of the installer program and it would try to download from whatever repos the system is using. If one of the applications was not available in that repo, it would not get installed. It would mean maintaining the internal metas against the repo version. This would mean that effectively they would end up being different... it's just human nature. That may be a way to go though. Make it a non-distro specific installer that installs a set of programs. I don't think it could be made to work At some point I will want to try this on a Mint install, as the inverse method of the meta I have been trying to create. Another project of mine is just about wrapped up, which will give me more time to work on the Cinnamon meta. I am not sure which set of ubuntu repos mint is using. So long as they are using raring and later it would be ok. If they are using something earlier, you may have to download at least ubuntustudio-audio as a file and install with dpkg. Or manually install the 3 metas it was based on. Also some of the apps did not appear in some of the earlier versions. (lots of fun) My intent was for using raring and up. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: To add to the menus? A meta installer
On Sun, June 23, 2013 1:59 am, Jimmy Sjölund wrote: Nice work! I'm not familiar with the difficulties between the graphical views in different DEs, but if it's possible to have both terminal and gui version of the installer I think it might appeal to users that are reluctant to terminal stuff. Actually, this version is the same from a user POV as a fully GUI version. The packages are mouse picked, the sudo password is entered from the keyboard and the progress bar while in a terminal is just a progress bar and effectively the same as if it was a GUI. The terminal would get opened from a menu item and vanish when the install completed. I would argue that a completely terminal based version would be no hardship even for someone who has never done anything command line. I may yet find a terminal based list app that does this. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
ubuntustudio-icon-theme
Hello Mish, I am not sure how you would like to work on the icon theme. It might be easiest to keep your own branch updated and we can merge it with main any time you feel a releasable step has been made. We can also release snapshots in your own ppa or the US ppa so that you or the rest of us can test it before release. I have found the easiest way to test things like this is to just install the file on my own machine and see how it works. Let me know if you need any help at all. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
To add to the menus? A meta installer
Lets say you have kubuntu installed and really like the interface, but would like to have ubuntustudio or at least a chunk of the applications. Not too hard to load up synaptic and search ubuntustudio for the metas. Harder on USC which doesn't seem to show such things by default. Also, which ones are up to date, which ones should one stay away from. How about something like this: http://www.ovenwerks.net/UStudiodocs/metainstall.html It is not complete :) just a quick test really. My thought is that it could just be a part of the -menu package. It adds no depends on any of the flavours I tried. The ubuntustudio submenu with our website and mailing lists would be where I would put it. I do not want to add it to our main -menu package just yet as I want to make sure the menu part works as expected on our ISO and do any needed tweaks first. Then I will add it to the Studio PPA for those interested. I don't know that it can be backported or SRUed to 12.04 as that would require also backporting the supported metas which we changed in 13.04. I am rather looking ahead to 14.04. Comments as always are welcome. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Some screenshots of our new DE agnostic menu
I have taken some screen shots of our mergable menu in action. http://www.ovenwerks.net/UStudiodocs/menu.html (If you have looked at stuff here before you may need to use the refresh) As you can see from the xubuntu/xfce versions of the menu, we can use this to replace our special menu and just use the default xfce menu. This means we only need to maintain one menu file for any DE. There is only one problem to face. Almost every menu config file out there has a bug that makes it not work to freedesktop (XDG) standards. The only correct one is KDE. I am working at doing bug reporting as this affects projects like alacarte too. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Some screenshots of our new DE agnostic menu
On Fri, June 21, 2013 10:09 pm, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2013-06-21 at 20:41 -0400, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: There are additional reasons not to depend on USC: One of them is that it is reported to be very difficult to install in Mint, into which people might want to install US metas. All Ubuntustudio packages are accessable from Synaptic in Mint, as it uses Ubuntu repos. That's not a valid argument. I also can't use US meta packages for my Arch Linux install ;) and I suspect hat even with using alien, they won't fit to openSUSE either. Mint is a PITA, it's terrible broken, I once tested it myself and if people try to fix it, they ask the Ubuntu or Debian community, how to fix the borked, customized Ubuntu/Debian called Mint, while we don't know what's different for Mint. While I agree that Mint itself is not reason enough, it is not the only DE/flavour that may have problems with USC just from a SW POV. I personally can't evaluate Mint right now as gnome3 libs and my video card (or it's driver) are at odds. That's why Quantal perhaps is my last Ubuntu (Studio). I still follow Ubuntu Studio and I didn't decide to drop Ubuntu forever, but it's very likely that I'll do it. For now I'm using Arch + Ubuntu, but in the future it might be Arch + Debian. I'm undecided. Well, our menu will work with any of them if the still use an xdg style menu. The package contains no code itself, just a menu config file and the files that it needs to work (Icons, desktop files and directory files). Untarring it in / and then removing the debian directory should work. Well I haven't tried it :) but thats the theory anyway. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: As for xfce4-mixer
On Tue, June 18, 2013 3:56 am, Jarno Suni wrote: Hi As for automatic muting of tracks you complained about in the ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list, please see https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8291 Apparently the fix was not perfect for the original problem. I would blame the hardware implementation. I thought the intel HDA was pretty standard, but having one mute affect three controls, but only unmute one is already a problem. Pulse deals with it correctly, remembering which channels have to be unmuted (normally two out of the three). However, we are looking for a mixer to use alongside jack when pulse has no control of the device. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: About qamix
On Tue, June 18, 2013 3:21 am, Jarno Suni wrote: Hi I read in ubuntu-studio-devel archive that you wrote about qamix. I used qamix when it was still available in ubuntu universe repository. If there is a debian src package (even old) it may be helpful to me. Thank you for mentioning that it has been in Ubuntu repos. All I could find was the sourceforge download. It is very high quality, much better than xfce4-mixer, for example. I guess it is not developed currently, http://alsamodular.sourceforge.net/ It just worked! With the advent of pulse for desktop audio, the author may have felt it was no longer useful. Pulse also uses audio interface profiles and is very complete. I will see if I can revive qamix and maybe expand it. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: About qamix
On Tue, June 18, 2013 7:48 am, Jarno Suni wrote: On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 06:23:50 -0700 Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net wrote: If there is a debian src package (even old) it may be helpful to me. Thank you for mentioning that it has been in Ubuntu repos. All I could find was the sourceforge download. Lucid Server is still supported; maybe that package is still available: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=qamixsearchon=namessuite=allsection=all I downloaded the package. I had thought it was qt3, but the ubuntu package src I downloaded is only qt3 because it uses qt 1/2 compatibility libs. With the advent of pulse for desktop audio, the author may have felt it was no longer useful. Pulse also uses audio interface profiles and is very complete. Some people prefer not to have PulseAudio on their audio workstation, if they do not need it. I was not suggesting Pulse would replace a good alsa mixer at all. However, in the desktop world, it has taken over. So a lot of alsa mixers are falling into disrepair or at least are no longer being improved. In the audio workstation world a good alsa mixer is a must, but we will only find one if someone interested in professional audio develops it. I think in the past most alsa mixers were developed by people interested in bringing desktop audio to linux. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Saucy a mess right now with packages being removed from repos
On Sat, June 15, 2013 10:22 am, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: The incompatable packages issue is getting so bad that Mint is apparently about to fork all of the GNOME core, all the way down to GTK3, for Cinnamon 2.0 (THIS cycle!), while installing GTK3 for applications to use. GTK3 is changing so much anything else leaves them roped to a now unpredictable upstream in Saucy and with the upcomig Mir situation. I wonder if this has anything to do with the hey why don't we do rolling releases thing :P What are you using for graphics on your test system? Gnome-shell and Cinnamon (which is a fork of gnome-shell )both require OpenGL2.0 to run, meaning in ATI/AMD video at least R200 or later GPU. I don't know the point where Intel and Nvidia got OpenGL2.0. If you don't have them, you are stuck in fallback mode, meant only for testing and repairing a system. You can still sample what Cinnamon will look like, but expect a lot of CPU utilization and slow response via LLVMpipe. Ya, that is my problem. My nvidia card is 10 years old. SW render is slow, but at least I can see what the menu looks like. I am personally thinking of going KDE for now as everything just works. But I have an xfce, KDE, lxde and mint partition (and a few ubuntustudio) for testing anyway. When I have a newer computer to work with I will do the gnome shell, unity and mint (cinnamon/mate) stuff there. Right now Mate is a no show. menu wise. It doesn't do xdg menus (properly) Though there may be an addon that does. On systems where Mint with Cinnamon works right simply pulling in ubuntustudio workflow metas should work, since Mint is based on Ubuntu and presumably uses the same PA setup. I would like to make a ubuntustudio meta install app. A user would download that and it would have a menu kind of like our old alt ISOs used to that would allow the user to customize their studio install. This would include the ability to change system settings that might help audio, etc. It would also allow some logo changes, though I would like to leave some of the original installed logos there because really, it is still that distro. But we could include backgrounds. It would be nice if we had some backgrounds that combined elements of both the donor distro and US. The US-Desktop meta would not be so easy, as the themes would first have to be manually selected from within Cinnamon to show up and then would not work, as per my tests. The Xubuntu US session would be installed and work as intended almost for sure (EXCEPT for the distributor-logo) which Mint overwrites. I will test this on the road sometime. You can fix the Ubuntustudio button by purging ubuntu-system-adjustments, the Mint package that overwrites it. Themes are less important to me... except that the current fashion in themes seems to have the windows with focus look the same as one without. IMO the focused window should be obvious... a title bar colour change at least. This doesn't matter in a consumer distro (or phone/tablet) where mostly only one window at a time is visible. In a production machine where many windows might be on the screen at one time, it matters for productivity. I actually still like the late 90s fvwm style (motif style really). It may be somewhat ugly, but very easy to work with. FVWM is in our repo, so I may try that too :) If I do, it will be starting from the mini.iso install. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Saucy a mess right now with packages being removed from repos
On Fri, June 14, 2013 6:45 pm, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: Some development work is not possible right now on Saucy. Cinnamon (which I work with) is not in repo, GTK3 just got updates that remove many DE's, even Kdenlive is not in repo right now. My main systems are Saucy with a lot of pinned packages, GTK3 among them, and my development partition for a Cinnamon meta is based on a Raring image avaialble at the time. This might get worse as Mir development picks up in the future, and remember that package-pinning would on a fresh install have to be all the way back to the previous version of Ubuntu and not the lasst good intermediate version. I really hope this situation gets resolved, as right now I'm seeing package after package being removed from repo and even more that Synaptic would remove on an unrestricted update for reasons of compatability. A little bit hard on the community. I installed linuxmint to try things out on cinnamon. Cinnamon crashes with my system and goes into fallback mode. Or I can start cinnamon in a software rendering mode (very slow). Mint also has the Mate DE available so I installed that as well. The mate menu is sick... err or something. It doesn't seem to be following any of the XDG menu files I have tried playing with at all. The slow cinnamon seems to have the same menu as gnomeshell with the extension. Maybe there is a better menu extension out there that does better. Fallback mode works very well with a fixed config menu. I am thinking these are based on gnome shell 3 but not the latest one which of coarse has no fallback mode... as I found with ubuntu gnome. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Status of new DE agnostic menu tests
On Mon, June 10, 2013 8:23 pm, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: I've now tested the new menu package with cairo-dock and with the Frippery menus in gnome-shell 3.6. In both cases, the US menus were mixed alphabetically with the others, which was NOT the case in Cinnamon. Hmm, got this message but not the last one below. I am guessing my server is just too slow. I did get a faster computer today and will try it tomorrow. Anyway, glad to hear at least something works. The problem with the gnomeshell menus is they merge incorrectly. That is what moving the merge line in the menu is for. (I left it down below so you can look for it) this is a fairly common error in default menu config files. On 06/09/2013 at 9:29 PM, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: The new menu package works fine in Cinnamon. I tested it both with the main Cinnamon menu applet and with a better-performing alternate menu applet I normally use. The UbuntuStudio menus come up fine either way. Your menu package now goes into all my production machines as well as the partition I am using to work towards a Cinnamon meta for US- thanks! This is what fixes those alphabetical layouts: Look for a line like: DefaultMergeDirs/ Near the top and move it just before the /Menu line at the bottom of the file. There are more than one /Menu lines in there so make sure it is -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Status of new DE agnostic menu tests
On Tue, June 11, 2013 12:13 am, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: On Tue, Jun 11, 2013, at 08:34 AM, Len Ovens wrote: the gnomeshell menus is they merge incorrectly. That is what moving the merge line in the menu is for. (I left it down below so you can look for it) this is a fairly common error in default menu config files. Just want to point out that Luke is talking about a gnome extensions here, so not a standard Gnome menu. I'm guessing this one https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/13/applications-menu/. There are a few options when it comes to Gnome menus, but the most relevant I guess, if wanting to file bugs, especially upstream, would be the classic mode, or fallback mode menu. There is some of that. Some menus are not meant to follow the opendesktop standard and only use the desktop files and ignore config files. KDE has some like that and of course unity and gnome shell do as well. It is only a bug when the menu uses an /etc/xdg/*/menus/config file that claims to do merges. Then the merges should be done correctly. There are at least 5 (just that I know of) other projects that rely on proper merging, it is not just our menus. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Status of new DE agnostic menu tests
On Tue, June 11, 2013 11:36 am, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: I just verfied your fix to work in GNOME 3.6, GNOME 3.6 with Frippery, Cairo-Dock, and it works fine with or without this fix in Cinnamon. The file that must be edited is /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu I think that is actually part of the gnome-menus package (or something like that). This fix would also fix some of the problems with alacarte (and other menu editors) that people have had. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Cinnamon DE
Luke from DC, I can't get cinnamon to work here... could be because of what I installed it on top of :) But if you like you may want to try the ubuntustudio-menu in my personal ppa: https://launchpad.net/~len-ovenwerks/+archive/ppa Please note that this is a work in progress, a snapshot of where our real ubuntustudio-menu package is going. I have found that most stock menu files are broken (kde being the exception so far) and that there is a line near the top of /etc/xdg/menus/*applications.menu or /etc/xdg/session_name/menus/*applications.menu that should be on the second last line. Look for a line like: DefaultMergeDirs/ Near the top and move it just before the /Menu line at the bottom of the file. There are more than one /Menu lines in there so make sure it is the last one :) I have been bug reporting these as I find them. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Video players
On Tue, June 4, 2013 9:56 am, Jimmy Sjölund wrote: On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 2:18 AM, Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net wrote: A good description of a video workflow for those of us who don't know anything about it would be very useful. In fact a documentation of the video work flow for those starting out in video creation would be fantastic. As I wrote before I got caught of the conception of VideoSongs which is format for doing music videos with two rules: 1. What you see is what you hear (no lip-syncing for instruments or voice). 2. If you hear it, at some point you see it (no hidden sounds). So, when recording my music I now also set up my iPhone to record myself recording the music. This is later cut to a VideoSong. For an example check out http://youtu.be/lBUUOJpFg9Y which was the song that made me discover VideoSongs. Very cool. I get the picture. so far. What I miss is a simple way to get all the video clips in sync with the music and an easy way to do 'picture-in-picture'. I have found a way to make the pic-in-pic sort of like I want it to look but it's a bit tricky and takes a long time. I've seen tutorials on how to do it on other platforms and video editors and it's very quick and simple. Perhaps Cinelerra might have an easier way to do this, but I haven't had time or knowledge to figure it out so far. Have you tried blender? While it appears animation oriented, I have seen videos edited with it too. I don't know if the synchronization would be any easier, but picture in picture or chromakey (at least thats what we used to call it) can be done there. I would try introducing a loud clap into the audio 5 seconds before the song starts (before you want any video too). Make sure you start the video before this too. Or add a midi event that turns a light on and off that the camera can see, again before the song start. With the audio version, the speaker would need to be close to the camera... or at least the same distance from the camera for all takes... sound takes time to move. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Video players
On Wed, June 5, 2013 12:32 am, Jimmy Sjölund wrote: On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 11:01 PM, Hartmut Noack zettber...@linuxuse.dewrote: 4) I have sync all the videos to the music file. To do this in Mac or Windows the video editor often support scrubbing, so you can pinpoint the audio in the current video with the same spot in the song. Kdenlive does not support scrubbing so I have to look for obvious things in the track, like certain words sung or when an instrument start to play. Just orientate by the waveforms and you get it perfectly in sync. Since your videoclips are shot at the very recording you can align the audio of the videoclip and the mixed-down song just perfectly... That is what I do at first to get it narrowed down, but unfortunately my experience is that the waveforms that are displayed are not accurate enough and I need to nudge a couple (or sometimes even more) frames forward or backwards to get it to sync perfectly. This I can do either visually or when I let both audio sound at the same time. Any delay in between them means they are not in sync even though the waveforms are. But that is most likely a discussion I should bring up with the Kdenlive people. I would assume you are using more than one camera if you are taking shots of different instruments all in one take. Unless they are all the same make and model of camera, the sync from audio to video may be different from camera to camera. A visual cue such as a strobe may be a better tool for syncing. Also pay attention to frame rate, though I would guess that if you are happy with things once they are synced this is ok. Different frame rates would of course make sync wander from one end of a video to the other. I expect that on a very long video you would loose sync towards the end anyway as your cameras are not running from a master clock. In TV broadcast situations all video sources get their sync from one master clock through the same length of cable round trip to the switcher, this includes cameras, VCRs, telecine, and titling/animation. Off site video is framestored so it can be synced to station... kind of like resampling. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Video players
On Wed, June 5, 2013 2:34 am, edmund wrote: On Wed, 05 Jun 2013 01:21:19 +0200 Hartmut Noack zettber...@linuxuse.de wrote: Am 04.06.2013 02:43, schrieb Len Ovens: On Mon, June 3, 2013 8:02 am, edmund wrote: What are you calling uncommon sample rates? Ubuntu Studio is for multi media and in my case High res audio. Here we use 96 kHz and 192 kHz sample rates. Of course I have recorded in these samplerates also and in very few cases it really makes a difference. Most notably to me was, that Alsa Modular Synths sounds quite different at 96KHz. That is possible... but, the audio in and out of a computer even at 96Khz is still limited to just over 20kHz. The differences you are hearing may be as a result of the math at higher frequencies affecting what ends up in the 20-20kHz passband. VLC player, Is made to play the audio, that is relevant out there, where people listen to music that is mixed and mastered and that is: 48KHz Video, 44.1KHz Audio and that is it. The bluray standard is 192/24, you don't get anything extra for your money, but it is the standard. Much of the audio on such music started out as 48/16... (If it was on tape originally then 48/13 or less) seems to play these formats too but it doesn't! When I play a 80 kHz sine it is audible Shouldn't be, but then really there is no reason to play an 80k sine through a computer because there are no known sound interfaces able to reproduce signals of that frequency anyway. The analogue part of the chain makes sure of that. No I mean playing a 80 kHz sine (with a 192kHz sample rate) I made a number of sines with audacity and played them with VLC among other players, VLC produces ghost sounds with sine waves above a certain frequency. So paying music with VLC in that format makes you hear things you never heard before, great! Pity that the difference is fake and distortion rather then more music information. That would be whatever does the resample or down/upsample. However, there is no (and shouldn't be anyway) program material (even bluray 192 sample rate stuff) that has 80khz content anyway. Any of the mics one can buy start to roll of around 18hz (even condenser mics). So any signals above that are artificially created. Buy some analogue test equipment and test it for yourself. See what the highest frequency is that you can import and export with your sound card. There is an audible difference, but it is not in audio at 80khz. Many audio programs use poor quality resampling BTW. VLC would depend on it's libs. This is something to consider. There are a lot of video players, but they depend on only a few codec libs. We should break down our choices based on the underlying libs I think. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Things I have seen on Kubuntu we should have.
On Mon, June 3, 2013 3:12 am, ttoine wrote: 2013/6/1 Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net As a side note, KDE does not affect audio that I can tell. I can still do low latency work with no xruns the same as with xfce. I have not turned off any of the extra video features of the desktop or in any other way tried to make KDE a less resource hungry DE. To add to that, there are some programs that will not run for me on Studio, that will run on KDE. Some examples ? For me, mixxx and blender... that I have tried. Both of them kill X when running xfce, but not in a kde session. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Things I have seen on Kubuntu we should have.
On Mon, June 3, 2013 1:21 pm, Antoine Thomas wrote: Le 3 juin 2013 21:52, Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net a écrit : Some examples ? For me, mixxx and blender... that I have tried. Both of them kill X when running xfce, but not in a kde session. I use Unity with Ubuntu Studio and it works well too. But I use mainly audio and video apps, I didn't try Blender. Good to hear unity can work well with audio. There have been a few people who's machines have not liked that combo. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Video players
A few releases ago when we switched to xfce, we got the default Xubuntu video player Parole. At the time we found Parole didn't know how to set the aspect ratio and so we added totem instead. With the thought that it was what most of Ubuntu used. Somehow we have ended up with Xine installed as well.. probably it comes with some of the libs we use. In any case, for the past few releases totem seems not have worked for a number of people. It crashes on startup. So it has been a good thing that we had Xine as a backup :P In the mean time, Parole (like thunar) has been fixed and works on anything I have tried it on. We should perhaps switch back to Parole, A) because it works and B) because that will keep us more in line with Xubuntu and their testing should cover the use of this video player with XFCE. (It may be that Totem works fine with a full gnome/unity setup) -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
[Fwd: [LAU] Distro upgrade vs: new install]
Just for interest sake. Our upgrade process is less than perfect. Original Message Subject: [LAU] Distro upgrade vs: new install From:Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net Date:Thu, May 30, 2013 4:05 pm To: Linux Audio Users linux-audio-u...@lists.linuxaudio.org -- Normally, I do new installs rather than upgrade. It means for sure I have gotten rid of old stuff. But I was testing upgrades and thought I would share what I found. First off I was using UbuntuStudio. I was looking for things like metas not being included and yes that was so. I also found the generic kernel was getting dragged in as well as the low latency kernel. (actually that was what I set out to test) Anyway, I have an older machine and video card and have had some problems running some applications like Mixxx for example. It was suggested to me that I probably had problems even playing videos smoothly too. As happens I was testing Studio Metas installed on top of kubuntu. And was playing a video and it looked just fine. This was a fresh kubuntu install. when I tried the same thing with the updated (from 12.04 to 13.10) the video was skippy, jittery, not good at all. But on a fresh ubuntustudio install it was fine. Same video, same player, same kernel, same (supposedly) distro. The audio which was going through pulse-jack at 48000 and p64, was fine, not xruns or other artifacts. So, fresh installs are still the best, no change from 1995. Really, Hard drives are cheap. One of the least expensive bits one can buy. Better to put a second drive in the machine, put a new install (or better try three or four to see which works best with your HW/work habits) and copy your old home (or parts of it) over... or just put symbolic links in. Or, shrink a partition and load the new version in a small partition and link to the old home. This may be the only way with a laptop. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net ___ Linux-audio-user mailing list linux-audio-u...@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Studio with Cinnamon
On Mon, May 27, 2013 1:07 pm, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: I installed UbuntuStudio 13.04 to an extra partition, very nice job everyone, it looks great by default and it not a whole lot different a UI than what I've done with Cinnamon. Theme is different in some ways, but I was still instantly reminded of the original 2008 default appearance. I think that is part of why it was chosen. I then began the job of installing Cinnamon, which is now available in Ubuntu's repos and installed fine along with the Nemo file manager it works with. That part was easy, NOTHING else was. :) Welcome to the world of developing! Here were the issues I ran into: configuration steps then required: mkdir ~/.themes download GNOME black theme (could put into a deb) extract to ~/.themes Can't do that for a distro... And you don't want to either :) You want to have a theme package and install it. It should end up in /usr somewhere. Then it needs to be selected in the default settings... or at least selectable. Switch menu to start-here.png in ubuntustudio-icons Could be done by overwriting /usr/share/cinnamon/theme/menu.png or manually in menu-settings by selecting /usr/share/icons/ubuntustudio/places/24/distributor-logo.png Probably should be doable from a subdirectory of /etc/xdg Probably /etc/xdg/cinnamonstudio I haven't thought of it before but we may be able to set it using a: Directoryapplications.directory/Directory Line in the menu file. Looks REAL nice in GNOME theme Good to here. I do NOT know how to script the latter, the former would be reverted on any update of Cinnamon Needs to be set in the system defaults in /etc/xdg It should survive updating cinnamon just fine there. Set Nemo background to ubuntustudio default: But tool to set this is BROKEN right now! Have to drop background in ~/pictures, install Nautilus, select it in gnome-control-center, then remove (not purge) Nautilus so Nemo will start Not there, Somewhere in /usr/share/ubuntustudio/ would be the place... in fact it should be moved there for all the DEs... hint it is not there right now :P One of the things we need to do is to take our settings, themes, artwork and icons and set them up in such a way that they make sense to any DE... or at least any of the DEs we support. Right now the wallpapers are in /usr/share/xfce4/backdrops Applets added to panel such as workspace-switcher must be manually moved to desired position in panel-edit more, again I do not know how to automate this. More /etc/xdg/cinnamonstudio stuff. What does ls /etc/xdg look like right now after adding cinnamon to studio? Worst issues to date: Cinnamon menus not at all like current UbuntuStudio menus, do NOT respect UbuntuStudio menu package, current nor prior. The ubuntustudio menu just now is specific to xfce. I am not familiar enough with the old -menus to comment on those (we are not using them, but will be), though I think they are not much changed right now. The question may be if cinnamon is xdg compliant, or if it has the hooks installed in their main menu to merge other menus. Does the wine menu show? (US installs wine in the 32bit version) Wine drops a menu stub in the default place for menu merge files I am working right now on making the menu DE agnostic. I can get my private version to work with either xfce or KDE at the moment. There is still a lot of work to be done though, I don't have all *.desktop or *.directory files set up yet (though the directory files are pretty much done) and the icon theme needs some switching around of where the files go in the icon file tree. Your older ubuntustudio icon theme could be added to the US icon theme file as studio-classic and selected as default for cinnamonstudio. The default theme and other installed themes do not render the window borders properly in Cinnamon, causing all windows to appear as though they were inactive windows. I am not sure what to do about that... another theme that does work could be substituted as part of the cinnamon package and set that as default for that DE. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Studio with Cinnamon
On Mon, May 27, 2013 1:12 pm, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: Assuming I get all the bugs out of this, there is one other issue that could make being the mantainer of a metapackage difficult: the real names issue. I looked through the Wiki page on development concerning PGP keys, etc, and it reminds people to use their real names. That is something I never do online for security reasons, due to my involvement in dissident politics and the need to prevent one posting of mine under my legal name from being used by Google or by law enforcement to validate another post under the name everyone knows me by. To maintain the meta I will have to be able to have it credited to Luke or Luke from DC, I can't use my legal name online for any purpose. That issue is also one of many reasons I don't have or want Google or Facebook accounts. Understood, I was uploading before I had pgp set up. I did have the ssh keys set up though. If you have that much you should be able to push a branch to ~luke/+junk/directory and then do a merge request to the main branch. One of use with all the creds can do the merge. If even that is not possible, I think you are dealing with all text files and they can be email attached to l...@ubuntustudio.org and I can do the branch update. The merge would be best though, that way we can all keep track of what was done when. I am not sure yet what we have in mind for settings. Personally I would like to keep the default settings for all the DEs in one package (ubuntustudio-default-settings) if at all possible. However, with gnomeshell, unity and cinnamon there may be overlaps that prevent the ability to have more than one of them on the system at a time. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
do-release-upgrade installs generic kernel
Looking at the code for do-release-upgrade, it has remove linux 3.8 but while it does list the RT variant, it does not list low latency. Of coarse there is no 3.9 low latency kernel yet, so that may be part of that too. However, It looks like the upgrade tool is based on metas and whatever has been user installed after the original install. None of our metas have the kernel in them as a depends (that I can find). So it appears that low-latency from old release stays because there is no rule to remove it... though I don't know if new versions will still be installed, and we get the generic because we don't have low latency in any meta or as part of the remove line. Does this make sense? A new saucy install has only the lowlatency kernel (3.8 though, not 3.9) The code is here BTW: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-release-upgrade The file that seems to be of most interest is: /data/DistUpgrade.cfg The lines tha stuck out to me are: MetaPkgs=ubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop, xubuntu-desktop, ubuntustudio-desktop, ichthux-desktop, mythbuntu-desktop, ubuntu-netbook, kubuntu-netbook, lubuntu-desktop BaseMetaPkgs=ubuntu-minimal, ubuntu-standard Demotions=demoted.cfg [KernelRemoval] Version=3.8.0 BaseNames=linux-image,linux-headers,linux-image-debug,linux-backport-modules,linux-header-lbm Types=386,ec2,generic,rt,server,virtual Note there is no low-latency above. [ubuntustudio-desktop] KeyDependencies=ubuntustudio-default-settings, ubuntustudio-look This does not include any of our workflow metas. With the alt install that makes sense, with the live install it does not. The upgrade does not offer to install new workflow metas and as all workflows are included in a new install, perhaps they should all be dependancies of our desktop... however, if we were then to remove them from the desktop down the road, the next upgrade might remove them too :P perhaps our desktop meta should include a ubuntustudio meta upgrade/install tool? It could be run as part of the postinst script? Also, It is interesting that in removal_blacklist.cfg, all of the other flavour-desktop metas are mentioned, but not ubuntustudio. that may have to be so until the gnome2 DE is no longer supported ?? As prep for the 14.04 LTS release. We need to do a good uograde test from 12.04 to 13.10 and see what actually gets done. See if photography and publishing make it in for example. I have a spare partition to try this on. (or I can make one) -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Other DEs - KDE
I have installed Kubuntu on a partition and added Studio to it. (KubuntuStudio?) In general the pitfalls are: - Getting menu and icons correct - Getting the right kernel to default in Grub - Getting the user in the audio group - Getting jackd installed with RT = yes - In i386, dealing with mscorefonts (our ISO declines BTW) - Backgrounds and themes. - We should provide backdrop(s) - Icons - A logo? - A plymouth theme? - Make some of them optional? Rather than make DE metas, perhaps we should make a studio installer package that can be downloaded and run from any Ubuntu flavour that will do the above. It would be great if it would work in CLI or GUI modes and use libs that are available already in each flavour. I do not know if it is a good idea to aim it at mini.iso as well or not (something to think about). Mini.iso already has a dialogue for this use. Findings with Kubuntu. Everything installed, but I had to manually add the user to group audio. I added the lowlatency kernel, but because it is a lower version than generic, it is not the default boot. I do not know if removing the generic is best or changing Grub config. Everything I tried runs fine. In fact some applications I have had problems with in xfce (Blender, mixxx) Run fine in KDE. (I will have to try again in ubuntustudio as installed to see if it is not that the video driver has been fixed) The menu addition worked fine in at least 3 of the menu styles. Kickoff, classic, and Homerun. In search and Launch, our extra menus are there but disabled by default. They can be made to show with settings. Search mode works like the the dash in Unity. Kmix, the KDE replacement for pavucontrol, takes some getting used to but has everything needed to control pulse and is perhaps a little bit quicker starting. The user needs to be a little more knowledgeable about changing sinks and sources than the average desktop user, but that is true for our stock install as well. PA to jack bridging works fine (after at least one reboot ... maybe just logout/in) It behaves the same as in our stock install. Any of the apps I tried just worked. What's left? Look and feel, making the Studio part stand out. I am unsure how we should go about this. If we used an installer as I suggested above, the user could choose to leave their desktop as is at install and add backdrops or whatever as they choose. Or install settings that change the backdrop, lightdm theme, boot graphics etc. The third option is to create a studio session and the user could choose a normal or studio session at login. I would advise against this because, the settings from one session would affect the other anyway and guess who would get to explain that to the user. I think it would be the more support intense way to go. What do we need to do to make this work: - reactivate the menu package. - includes our desktop files - our directory files - make a generic desktop package/meta or play fancy with our desktop files :) Some of our desktop files call apps that may not install by default in all flavours. (Xchat for example) - Create backdrops for each flavour or DE that say both Studio as well as the base flavour it is based on. The flavour has done all the work of putting the DE together and should have their logo show as well as ours. This is a joint effort and they will be more likely to be willing to answer user questions if we give credit where due. - make the icon-theme generic. - Take care of any system settings needed. Maybe split settings into -default-settings and -system-settings. So we don't try pushing xfce stuff where it may get in the way. - Create an installer. There are a number of people who add our metas to their install now and so this part needs to be cleaned up anyway. Nothing here is in stone, but ideas for discussion. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Making Studio work with more than one DE
On Thu, May 23, 2013 11:35 am, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: Surely there are more people who want to make US work with any particular desktop than there are desktops! I did the Cinnamon work myself for the legacy desktop, simply so I could use it Have all the necessary files to make it work. Only hassle is that the Cinnamon menus for some reason ignore the UbuntuStudio A/V submenus, instead putting all the A/V apps into sound and video no matter what you do in the menu editor. That is what I have been working on as happens. The Studio custom A/V menus are right now specific to xfce. I am working to break the Studio menu into three parts. The stock menu that the DE comes with, a static (I hope) studio specific base menu to hold everything in and the A/V block. This is what has lead me to start looking at various DEs to see what my mods are going to do to them. It is why I want to know what makes KDE, KDE to the user. What makes gnome shell what someone wants to use. I could set KDE up to look not much different from xfce does and gnome2 did, but why? I can set up KDE to list apps and launch them in at least 5 different ways... there are at least two more methods of just launching using a search method or a run box as well. Then there is the whole activities setup which could be very useful in setting up workflows if used right. It could also be a big fail if used in the wrong manner. lxde, is going to be the most like xfce, in fact lubuntu uses quite a lot of xfce utilities in the background. The menu will likely be almost identical. It would probably be the easiest DE to include, the challenge would be to actually keep it light. Just starting kdenlive for example, starts a lot of KDE background tasks... and those tasks don't go away just because kdenlive is closed. So there may in fact be a DE that is best suited to any one workflow. That is, someone doing a video workflow may find that xfce is not the best DE to use and that the programs they are using run better and more reliably on something else. There are things missing in xfce like colour correction, that KDE has, gnome has, unity has. The goal is to make any app work well with any DE. However, depending on the user's HW and the apps used that may not be possible or even testable. We can only test on the machines we have and people with a high interest in one kind of creation tend to buy machines that work best there. I buy looking for low latency in the MB and the ability to work with my audio card or an audio card I am interested in, the most basic video card is fine. Someone in visual creation will be looking at monitors, stylus pads, and graphic cards, audio may only be for entertainment for them. Anyway, assuming Cinnamon uses the gnome menu style of old, it should be easy to add in the A/V menu overlay with that DE too. (easy doesn't mean no work :) -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Making Studio work with more than one DE
On Wed, May 22, 2013 10:32 am, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Getting audio working for audio production, with some bloated desktop environments is not very useful. Some desktop environemts do start a chunk of services by default to automagically enable usage for many things, so the user needs to customize those desktops for audio work, or somebody from the community has to do it. There are common workflows for pro-audio work and even while I could add a list of odd things, caused by Xfce, it's a sane choice to use it as the default for Ubuntu Studio. I'm using it on other Linux installs too. I agree xfce is a sane choice and as far as I know it will continue to be the default. However there have been many users asking how to make Studio work with different DEs. So we are looking at making some DE metas that can be added to Studio so that these users can have the DE they wish. Personally, I expect to continue to use xfce though I may try out LXDE at some point. Pulseaudio is something that should be discussed. It's not an issue to have it installed and to disable it, but it's an issue for users who start sessions by scripts, if there is the need to start qjackctl, but to kill qjackctl.real or what ever it's called ;). I don't remember what the qjackctl(.fake)-script does and can't take a look at it at the moment, but IIRC it did something that also could be started by qjackctl, instead of naming a script qjackctl and then let it start qjackctl.real. Looking at the /usr/bin/ dir on both 12.04 and 13.10 shows only qjackctl and that file is a binary, not a script. So I am not sure that the two processes are unique to ubuntu. However, If I was going to use scripts, I would use jack_control which can do anything qjackctl can do Setting HW names, rates, latency etc. I still like qjackctl over patchage for connecting ports, but even that can be scripted. IMO it's already annoying if I need to start an app by it's name, but to kill it by killing python, however, this at least makes sense, while this qjackctl.thingy is an exotic Ubuntu Studio unique thing, that IMO isn't well thought out. A wrapper sometimes is useful, but this wrapper is strange. I am not sure why this is. As I said the qjackctl file is not a script. and I am not sure that it is unique to ubuntu either, but it is worth checking out. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Making Studio work with more than one DE
On Wed, May 22, 2013 12:25 am, Hartmut Noack wrote: Am 22.05.2013 07:53, schrieb Len Ovens: This is an interesting project. To be frank: interesting project is quite bold a description for installing more than one DE in Linux. It would be interesting though, if the US-packages would fail to run OK in KDE, Fluxbox UNITY, you name it. So if you got the time, and if you do not mind please allow me to point your attention to other things, that my or may not be most interesting too: Mon May 13 17:50:27 2013: JACK server starting in realtime mode with priority 10 Mon May 13 17:50:28 2013: ERROR: cannot register object path /org/freedesktop/ReserveDevice1/Audio2: A handler is already registered for /org/freedesktop/ReserveDevice1/Audio2 Mon May 13 17:50:28 2013: ERROR: Failed to acquire device name : Audio2 error : A handler is already registered for /org/freedesktop/ReserveDevice1/Audio2 Mon May 13 17:50:28 2013: ERROR: Audio device hw:2 cannot be acquired... Mon May 13 17:50:28 2013: ERROR: Cannot initialize driver Mon May 13 17:50:28 2013: ERROR: JackServer::Open failed with -1 Mon May 13 17:50:28 2013: ERROR: Failed to open server To have a Ubuntu Studio, that can in fact always start Jack on supported hardware under any DE you like, would indeed be a most interesting thing to be achieved I dare to think. Thankyou for your comment. I can not work on your problem for a number of reasons. The first being that with two computers and 5 different audio interfaces, I have not had that problem. So for me to work on it, you would have to ship your system to me so I can work on it. And if it turned out that this was an upstream problem, I would have to ship your system (or sound card) upstream to someone who was willing to work on it. Second, I am not a coder. I can do shell script (bash, tcl/tk and some python) and a bit of c, so long as time is not a consideration... in other words I would not even try to look at real time coding or anything that needed special libs. That stuff right now is beyond me. C++ just doesn't make sense to me, I can use some of the GUI stuff by following examples, but I don't really understand what I am doing. Third, this is not a paid position. That is not how community projects work. If this was a commercial project, the first thing that would happen is they would hire someone better than me. Second that person would have specific goals such as you ask. But in the community based project, volunteers look around for what they can do and what interests them and do it. That is what I am doing. I do also do ISO and install testing as well as some (very little right now) recording. So I know that for my systems jack (and pulse) both work. Speaking of community, as you are a part of it and have a special interest in the problem you have, perhaps you should start there. What some of us can do is help you understand where to start, and what steps to take. (welcome to the team) Ahhh: OK, OK: if you can *promise*, that you can make the above mentioned failed to start kind of thing disappeare for good, I would provide a nice US-Menu and some documentation too for running US under KDE. And half a dozen Wallpapers How much are you willing to pay for this service? For these promises? How much of a wage are you willing to pay so that we can hire some coders to fix your problems? This is a volunteer project, we are happy when people do something productive that moves the project forward. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Making Studio work with more than one DE
On Wed, May 22, 2013 11:09 am, Eric Hedekar wrote: However, what Hartmut may have been trying to state was that this is development is probably not the best use of developer's time. If it is what is within the developers capabilities and interests, why not? remember none of us are paid for any of this. Also think what you would do if any time you started to work on something as a volunteer and people told you don't do that do this that you can't do... you would walk away. We are trying to build this team. We do that by encouraging people in what they do and the progress they are able to do in the areas they are good at. This is not a sweatshop. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Making Studio work with more than one DE
Am 22.05.2013 22:09, schrieb Jimmy Sjölund: First of all, Ubuntu Studio is not a pro audio distribution. It's for all multimedia content creation. I have always considered US as a pro audio distribution, why not? Real :) I think the intent of the remark is that ubuntustudio is not only a pro audio distro. Certainly I think it can be used that way, but it's aim is also to be a pro graphic studio and a pro photographers studio and a pro video creation tool. Hopefully the user will soon be able to choose just to install one of these workflows rather than all of them. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Making Studio work with more than one DE
On Wed, May 22, 2013 2:49 pm, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2013-05-22 at 14:34 -0700, Len Ovens wrote: Am 22.05.2013 22:09, schrieb Jimmy Sjölund: First of all, Ubuntu Studio is not a pro audio distribution. It's for all multimedia content creation. I have always considered US as a pro audio distribution, why not? Real :) I think the intent of the remark is that ubuntustudio is not only a pro audio distro. Certainly I think it can be used that way, but it's aim is also to be a pro graphic studio and a pro photographers studio and a pro video creation tool. Hopefully the user will soon be able to choose just to install one of these workflows rather than all of them. I always remove pulseaudio and build a kernel-rt. The differences to the full preempt kernel with threadirqs isn't important, but removing pulseaudio is important. For what kind of professional audio, graphic, photographers and video creation tool is pulseaudio useful ;)? Broadcast. It is good for remote content transport as suggested by the EBU. They do not talk about pulseaudio specifically, but the methods they do suggest can at this time only be done that way. Pulseaudio is also good for use with client show and tell... the client comes in and says, I saw this thing on U tube... I understand you have had trouble with PA... Not that long ago it did have many problems. But at this time, I would say that a PA-jack bridge is easier to set up and use than ALSA loop backs. Also many of the MP3 players or CD playing SW do not play well with Jack. (I don't know any) If any of these people are using their computer for a telephone... all the phone apps work with Pulse, none (at this time) work with jack. From video creation I would remove the word professional ;p. That was why I used the word Aim Our aim is to have Studio be professional quality in all these areas. What we need most are people who are involved professionally in video to join our community and make their own system based on studio work for profession audio so we can import the changes. I know the tech aspects of video (at least analogue :), but I am not a video person, my interest is not visual everything looks good to me unless it is really bad. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Making Studio work with more than one DE
On Wed, May 22, 2013 3:37 pm, Hartmut Noack wrote: Anyway *my* philosophy is, that a free operating system should offer the means to tweak it to run on lesser hardware too but there is absolutely no point in expecting an anachronistic Computer on the desk of a Linux user. In fact I find that philosophy dubious: who says, that anyone, who can afford a 1000E-Laptop will *not* be a Linux-user? Do you think, that Linux is the system for the poor? Do you think, that Linux is the system for the old PC, that cannot run Windows8? Only a few years ago, there was a large number of people who did that, use a machine that wasn't good enough for windows. However as you have pointed out that is no longer true. My desktop computer is 10 years old or so (P4) and still works fine for recording multi-track audio. In fact there are people having more problems with new HW than I do. My piggy bank is in no shaoe to buy new HW, but I have been looking at where I want to go when I can. I will start from the MB and build. I will be looking for a MB and cpu that is good for low latency, something speed and memory do not guarantee. In fact, low latency can slow a computer through put down. For example, I get lower latency by turning hyperthreading off. The desktop is a little slower, but I can get 1ms latency thought jack without xruns with guitarix running. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Making Studio work with more than one DE
This is an interesting project. I have xfce, KDE and LXDE and have looked at unity. I have seen gnome shell, but need to refresh myself on it. Menus first. We have set up a custom menu to organize what threatened to become a very long set of apps in multimedia, but also to show the user new to art on linux and Ubuntu where the apps might be used and make things less confusing. It looks like our content creation menus will work fine with xfce(where it was developed), lxde and KDE. I think gnome shell also has a menu, though normal operation might not use it. The idea of typing categories or parts of app names is the big thing right now. In fact this method can be used in all the DEs, though not so easy with xfce... an app finder has to be started first. On the other hand Unity does not seem to use a menu layout at all. (Not an XDG standard anyway) In xfce we have gone beyond just adding workflows by adding some direct buttons at the top. I do not think we will be able to do so with the other DEs. To be honest maybe we don't need to do that for xfce either as xfce progresses. So for menus for each DE, I have decided to break the menu into three. I start with a menu that belongs to the session. This includes menu edits that are unique to that DE. It starts by merging in the stock menu for the DE. Then it removes anything that is in the way. Then we merge our workflows last. This lets the DE authors take care of most of the menu. We only take care of the workflow parts. The glue (the file that does the merging) should remain pretty static. If we need a workflow application, I would suggest that we need it for Unity first. Because we will not be able to use a menu for that purpose. It is going to be interesting in designing DE metas to just keep enough of each DE applets to keep the look and feel the user is choosing that DE for. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Weekly Reminder of Ubuntu Studio ToMerge packages
On Sun, May 12, 2013 11:00 pm, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: -- List of Ubuntu Studio merges that need attention by someone -- Assuming these are package names: isdnutils - universe oss4 - universe Ubuntustudio doesn't seem to ship either one. And this one doesn't show up at all: msttcorefonts - multiverse I can find ttf-mscorefonts-installer though. But it seems we don't need it to run. LMMS runs without. (or it runs with the installer failing for lack of user input) -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Menu changes
Anyone who feels like trying out 13.10, please look at the menu(s) and give feedback. The major change is that the settings menu is gone to be completely replaced by the settings manager. Anything that used to be in the settings menu is now accessible from the settings manager. This is much cleaner than having some settings in a menu and some other ones in the settings manager. Xubuntu has also done this (for 13.04 actually) but many of the system utilities ended up in the xubuntu settings that I felt belonged in the system menu. (software installation, disk partitioning, etc.) I have fixed that in ours. I have also tried to make sure the various settings are in the right group. Because we use setting utilities from other places besides xfce for some things, the categories don't line up as well as they could. I have tried to make the best placement manually. Please feel free to comment on this as I can change which group things show up in. I have added an audio group for audio specific settings. Anything I should add there? Or should all of these things end up as part of the audio production menu? Right now it is just LADI config and the LADI log file viewer, but any audio controls could go here... or they could go in the audio menu somewhere. The other possibility I considered is to also incorporate the system utilities into this manager and get rid of the system menu as well. I felt that was to big of a change to just go there. I'm not sure that would be better. I don't think I have real strong preferences here. I just tried to make sense. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: alsa mixers
Alsa question... aplay -l gives: card 0: AudioPCI [Ensoniq AudioPCI], device 0: ES1370/1 [ES1370 DAC2/ADC] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 0: AudioPCI [Ensoniq AudioPCI], device 1: ES1370/2 [ES1370 DAC1] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 alsamixer (any of them :) when pointed at hw:0 shows the controls for both hw:0,0 and hw:0,1 Is this normal? Nice to know that dac0 would not show up in jack, but I should use the dac1 control instead :P -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: alsa mixers
On Wed, May 8, 2013 6:32 am, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: On Wed, May 8, 2013, at 07:09 AM, David Henningsson wrote: Before rushing away to write yet another mixer, may I suggest that you first look at the current choices a bit and see if it is possible to improve them to do what you want? This does not only have the benefit of saving you some work to get the basic stuff up and running, it also makes the final product fit more use cases than just yours (and as a result, you'll get help finding/fixing bugs and so on). And, many upstreams are longing for more contributions and a wider user base. I agree. All of the desktop environments seem to have their own mixers at the moment. So, either one should add stuff to all of those, or pick one that would suit all DEs and work on making it more versatile. So perhaps a suitable profile library would make more sense. I somehow don't think we could find a mixer all DEs would enbrace. However, a DE agnostic mixer would be nice. alsamixergui would work for any DE that uses X, but I think gnome, KDE and xfce will want something that follows their (or the user's) theme. There should only be need for one mixer application for ALSA devices, no matter if PA is running or not. The design of the PA mixers is only including controls for PA profile based controls. It's lacking the full set of HW controls for the device, which is quite logical from the PA users point of view. But, as soon as one is not using PA, the mixer becomes next to useless. Yes, one is enough. I don't know that changing the desktop sound is important though. Each DE has their own idea of what to do. personally, I think the QAS utilities are the best of the bunch. Adding profiles to it would be good. The faders are different enough from any of the toolkit sliders that they are theme agnostic. Here's a design idea for such a mixer. It has two 1. PA view - The main controls are categorized and sorted for the PA profile (like they are now). To see full list of ALSA controls, one needs to toggle the view to ALSA view, and in that full view, one clearly sees which controls are used by PA and which are not. 2. ALSA view - no PA controls if PA is not running, and the overview is categorized and sorted from a ALSA perspective (like in alsamixer). That would make the main mixer have all you need for controlling your card. One could even go further with adding support for jack (jackdbus), and therefore, also for ffado. I think for now, this part would best be done using a wrapper. But it starts to sound like YAmixer real quick. In some ways we really are looking for a new kind of mixer. We really are looking for functionality no one has done yet. While most mixers try to give access to all of alsa's controls, they seem to be desktop use oriented. I don't think anyone has thought from the recording pov while creating these mixers. No one has really looked at what they want in a mixer. It seems all anyone has done is make a gui version of alsamixer. We want a general audio utility. We seem to have a list of needs no application meets right now. Not just there is no app that does all of these things but in many cases no app does any of these things even individually. For a long time The Linux desktop was in catch up mode. The focus has been getting desktop sound to just work. Ok, been there done that. PA may not be complete, but it competes really well with any OS out there. The desktop is being taken care of. Pro audio hasn't been touched except for with card specific utilities... And even those don't cover everything that might be useful. mudita24 for example, could use user selectable fader ganging in the monitor mixer. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
alsa mixers
might be a place to start... but then I have not used any of the other HW specific mixers and there may be better ideas. I would suggest starting with the Intel HDA and AC97 HW. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: alsa mixers
On Tue, May 7, 2013 3:15 pm, Len Ovens wrote: Volti: someone has done some fixing on this. Last time I used it the faders were very wide. While they don't go as small as qasmixer, they do Nope, depends on the machine... or really what the most complex audio card on the machine is. On a machine with 30 + faders on one of the sound cards it makes the window wide enough to fit that many faders even if the card it is displaying has less. Pretty much unusable on this machine. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: alsa mixers
to see the ports show even when there are no controls available for ports, like inputs where the levels are controlled by knobs or digital inputs like aes3, aes10 or ADAT. It would be a lot less confusing if the input showed on the mixer with a note that says level forced full or something like that. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Forget Pasword
On Sun, April 28, 2013 2:39 pm, Antonio Ochoa wrote: I forget my password. Thanks!-- Ok, Can you give more information? Live session? installed session? Installed user? user that was added later? Physical access to machine? Remote? Basically, if you have forgotten the password it has to be reset. You can't find out what you used before. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Upload needs charging?
On Mon, April 1, 2013 7:08 am, Ho Wan Chan wrote: http://ograblog.wordpress.com/2013/04/01/important-changes-in-ubuntu-engineering/ What on Earth is this? I need to PAY to upload packages Look at the reply address on the bottom. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Upload needs charging?
On Mon, April 1, 2013 9:36 am, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: I seriously hope this is a joke-and also that the joke does not indicate a new mindset taking root at Canonical. If it comes from Canonical itselt, even as a joke, that's scary. If it comes from the community, Canonical should consider it a warning. I agree. A charge for contribution would make ubuntu vanish (or at least become marginal) faster than a charge for use or download. Personally, I would take as a joke with no intent or direction what so ever. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Ubuntu-Studio-devel Digest, Vol 71, Issue 35
On Thu, March 21, 2013 9:00 am, Joseph Ronne wrote: additional note: on the above machine there is a great delay in running media after closing Qjackctl.. .. two things What above machine? This is the first line in your email... there is nothing above. Maybe you are missing part of the email? -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Ubuntu-Studio-devel Digest, Vol 71, Issue 35
On Thu, March 21, 2013 8:51 am, Joseph Ronne wrote: Have experienced exactly the same thing on exactly the same machine. Has disappeared since I reinstalled from the media with grub and recovery... What same thing? -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
[Fwd: [pulseaudio-discuss] Wish list]
I thought you might like to see this too. These are the changes I would like to see in pulse. Original Message Subject: [pulseaudio-discuss] Wish list From:Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net Date:Wed, March 20, 2013 9:55 am To: pulseaudio-disc...@freedesktop.org -- Here are some things I wish pulseaudio could do. I think they make sense :) These are not things I expect next release or all at once for that matter. These all have to do with jacksink/source, jackdbus-detect and pavucontrol, at least from the user POV, the reality may very well be different. I am fully aware that pulseaudio/jack interoperability is not the highest priority and have no disagreement with that. - jacksink/source - relaxed latency compared to jack. I may be wrong, but it seems that pulseaudio gets forced to whatever jack's latency is when connected. This is hard on system resources and it makes an internal audio interface that is only connected to pulseaudio determine the lowest latency a jack device can use. I would suggest that Pulseaudio continue to use it's own latency and jacksink/source add buffering to match that. My thought is that pulseaudio has reasonable latency for phone work already and syncing multi-track recordings is not a normal pulseaudio use anyway. - if the module-jackdbus-detect module is loaded then treat it like a device. In pavucontrol under the Configuration tab there should be an entry for jacksink/source with the same kinds of options: stereo duplex, 4.0, 4.1, 5.0, 5.1 (all with stereo in) and off (off means I like having bridging available, but don't want jacksink/source to be loaded at this time). There is no reason I can see for more channels than desktop apps are likely to use. 12 input channels give a bunch of aux inputs that I don't think any pulse-aware app can use anyway. I think 7.1 might be the max needed for outputs. I don't think there are any desktop apps that expect more than stereo in though (I could be wrong). The one non-standard option I would like to see is auto-default. That is when jacksink/source load they become the default device. Oh and one more :) (this is getting messy) auto connect on or off... thinking about this, I would do one stereo duplex-no connect and leave the rest with the default. I think the stereo situation is the only one where no-auto connect makes sense. Would a mono channel save anything system resources wise? I can think of uses for that too. - default migration - I don't know if this is possible. It seems to happen now under some circumstances. If I am streaming to a card and jack steals it the stream is jammed but I can move it to jacksink and it keeps playing. If I set jacksink/source as default and have a stream going there it seems if I stop jack that stream moves to the old default device (or maybe system default) and if I restart jack after that, the stream then moves back to jacksink/source. (Cool!) So what I am suggesting is, if a device gets taken away at the same time jack shows up, assume jack is now that device and shift the stream there. Being able to set jack as default even when not loaded would work for this too, but then keeping a sub-default may be needed too... ie. in the case where system default goes to a card with no speakers. The easiest fix for this (I use it) is to just turn that device off in pavucontrol. I have a card es1370 that I use only for MIDI, but some people have an internal card that can't be turned off in bios. Anyway, I have been very happy with how pulseaudio has worked for me. The default of two channels works great and I may default to connect=no as well... I use channels 9/10 for input (I have a nice spdif mic pre), though I still use 1 and 2 for outputs. There are already good jack tools for auto connecting for me in this way. I think I have listed my wishes in order of importance, however, I expect changes to happen in order of ease of implementation. I have tried to be clear, but even though English is my first language, explaining things is not my best talent :) Feel free to ask questions. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net ___ pulseaudio-discuss mailing list pulseaudio-disc...@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/pulseaudio-discuss -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Artwork submission deadline on the 20th?
On Sun, March 17, 2013 1:51 am, Ho Wan Chan wrote: So as the release+QA guy for Ubuntu Studio I must ask the Ubuntu Studio team (especially the Core team, Scott and Kaj) should we set a deadline for such wallpaper submissions? And for those art lovers and users who do have a spare self-made Ubuntu Studio wallpaper, please add your wallpaper into [3] to get your wallpaper included. Please remember to add your name and also a suitable license to be used. We would like to see your wallpaper included!!! I think at the least we should add any suitable submissions into our look package ASAP. Suitable meaning non-offensive and ok licence... once we are that far, choosing a new backdrop is just a one line change in settings. I would be happy to add in any merge requests. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Ubuntu Studio Artwork
On Thu, March 14, 2013 2:39 am, C. F. Howlett wrote: Oh, and has Desktop Publishing really been abandoned as an Ubuntu Studio component? No Scribus, no font manager ... just askin'. Say what? I am writing from the 13.04 beta right now. I have just opened scribus 1.4.1 (I think... the graphic still says 1.4.0, but it shows 1.4.1 in the title :) ), I can open FontForge, a font editor and Oh, I found an app called Font Manager too. I would like to say this is a complete publishing setup... and hope some of the graphics and photography apps help a lot... but until people start using it to publish things and give us feed back... we won't know. Yes we want publishing. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Rock Theme, Was. Re: Ubuntu Studio artwork for next release - wallpapers, and Carbon Theme
On Sun, March 10, 2013 6:37 am, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 14:22:15 +0100, Ho Wan Chan smartbo...@gmail.com wrote: BTW do we want to make the theme plymouth-ized too? smartboyhw I'm fine with the current one-- I'm fine with that too. Maybe next LTS, but plymouth is becoming less of a concern as things are booting so fast on modern machines. The only time we see it is when booting from ISO. Also if MIR shows up by then it is a whole new struggle. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Rock Theme, Was. Re: Ubuntu Studio artwork for next release - wallpapers, and Carbon Theme
On Sun, March 10, 2013 10:57 am, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: Plymouth is also seen and for a much longer period by those booting encrypted systems. Are there enough people combining ubuntustudio and encryption to worry about that, or not? No worries, plymouth is not going away. We are merely not spending the time to make any changes to it for 13.04 -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
things that need fixing in 13.04 install
First off, the partition icon is finally fixed. The menu icons are new and ours, not borrowed from SW we might decide we don't need any more. There is room for improvement in our icon theme, but it can be done one at a time. Now that we are using standard icon names in our own icon theme it is easy to try out new icons. The slide show in ubiquity: - First and last slide use the current background prominently and should be changed to reflect whatever new BG we use for lightdm or the session. - The video slide may want to mention kdenlive - The graphics slide may want to mention krita - The photography slide mentions Darkroom, but there is no such program in our menu. Is this talking about Darktable? I will add a bug report too I guess. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: things that need fixing in 13.04 install
On Sat, March 9, 2013 11:29 am, Len Ovens wrote: The slide show in ubiquity: - First and last slide use the current background prominently and should be changed to reflect whatever new BG we use for lightdm or the session. - The video slide may want to mention kdenlive - The graphics slide may want to mention krita - The photography slide mentions Darkroom, but there is no such program in our menu. Is this talking about Darktable? I will add a bug report too I guess. Bug #1153032 -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Ubuntu changes get worse: Now Digital Rights Management is under discussion
On Sat, March 9, 2013 12:00 pm, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: could all base on that. Certainly, installing to server, then calling only your top-level packages from apt-get would give a stripped-down, clean install with no crap. Best of all, server disk images fit on CD and are small. Perhaps a deriviative distro would then be a second disk that runs after a server install, with scripts to ask the user any questions and then install the correct DE, themes, workflows, etc, and nothing else? This approach would let the whole storm of changes ride under our keels. mini.iso (AKA netboot) might be a better place to start. It already includes tasksel. I have used this to build a no GUI audio system. It may be possible to start with this as a base for our own set of seeds too. However, that would require us to build our own default desktop from scratch as well. I don't think we have the resources to do that right now. Even Xubuntu hasn't tried that and they have more people... and more problems with trying to keep their ISO 700Mb. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Fwd: Re: Ubuntu Studio artwork for next release - wallpapers, and Carbon Theme
On Fri, March 8, 2013 7:45 am, Ralf Mardorf wrote: I linked /usr/share/themes/ with /home/rocketmouse/.customization/themes and edited a theme in /home..., but this didn't work. I experienced something similar for icons, with a link they couldn't be used, but without link, they could be used for some things, but not for everything. In theory, you would just add ~/.local/share/icons/theme_name -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Ubuntu Studio artwork for next release - wallpapers, and Carbon Theme
On Fri, March 8, 2013 9:35 am, ttoine wrote: Kaj, Maybe you should have a look at http://xfce-look.org/ and choose a nice theme. It will save time, and yours is precious ;-) I would leave that for new help... I agree. To be honest, BG is obvious, widget theme, not really so long as it is not out of place. (in other words, Len should not be chosen to create a new theme... never know what you will get) -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Ubuntu changes get worse: Now Digital Rights Management is under discussion
On Fri, March 8, 2013 11:13 am, Hartmut Noack wrote: Am 08.03.2013 12:31, schrieb Kaj Ailomaa: On Wed, 06 Mar 2013 20:16:17 +0100, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: I've looked into rebasing my entire install directly on Debian because of first the Amazon mess, now the Mir mess, and finally word on Phoronix that Ubuntu is looking into supporting digital rights management, hoping to run on smartphones. They are abandoning the free and open desktop- and will HAVE to do so if they want to be a third commerical smartphone OS. There's no indication what so ever, of what I can see, that Canonical is abandoning free software. Please read what Marc Shuttleworth wrote in response to a lot of what has been going on lately. http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1228 I fail to find anything of the above mentioned in this Blog-entry. This one only talks about the(quite odd) rolling-release idea. Not a single word on why a Shopping Lense is installed/active by default and nothing regarding DRM. Did he post something on these issues(after the September 23 post about amazon)? Ubuntu's page about MIR definitely shows a block called DRM. It is not talked about much and I don't think it is an open version. Certainly a full consumer oriented phone/desktop/notepad/whatever would have to have something that deals with DRM or it would not be complete. While I don't think the major distros are trying to move away from open SW, I do think they are moving away from distros that are interesting to developers/content creators/hobbyists towards distros that are interesting to consumers. They are simpler with fewer options and include what is wanted by the average consumer. This makes a lot of sense, if I like it or not. If Linux is going to expand, it has to meet the needs of the people who do not use Linux at this time. The biggest group of people are those who just want to be entertained, be it movies or games or whatever. These people are looking for an appliance with the OS that comes with it in such a way it need never be mentioned (or updated). They will buy a new one after a few years anyway rather than update the OS. The main thing that will keep the hobbyist happy is that Linux will continue to support the server industry. The nice thing about MIR is that it seems to at least have a completely new name. So it should be possible to have vanilla X instead. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Ubuntu going through major changes - What's the Ubuntu Studio standpoint in all this?
On Tue, March 5, 2013 7:42 pm, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: The whole Mir mess might become another factor. I assume it will be a long time before any media application gets ported to Mir, Wayland, or anything other than X. The fragmentation mess is being brought up elsewhere, with fears that applications written for Mir will run only on Ubuntu, etc. This could be a real mess for all distros based on Ubuntu, even though both Mir and Wayland retain X compatability layers. X is heavy enough by itself, running X applications through something like this will slow down marginal or fully-loaded machines. I also expect that older DE's and things like XFCE, Cinnamon, etc will be ported to another display server either late or never. For those of us not interested in joining the Tablet/Touch Revolution it will be crucial that X stays in repo until all DE's have been ported over, or permanently. Lets see, cdrecord (replaced by broken wodem), ffmpeg (replaced by avlib), init.d (replaced by upstart or systemd), x I guess the next thing is a unique, non-linux kernel... I am sure the list is bigger. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: New XFCE apps
On Mon, March 4, 2013 12:44 am, ttoine wrote: Len, I use a dual screen with Unity, and the setup is saved accross restart. At loging, the mouse pointer is between the two screens. You can choose which one is the main by moving the move to right or left screen. The top panel is on both screens. Unfortunately it seems to be a part of unity itself. All the bugs are pointed at unity and fixed there. At office, I use a dual screen with a win7 laptop. They are top aligned and it is ok. Maybe could you explain why it is better when bottom aligned ? Top aligned is fine with two screens that are close in size. I guess I am more aware of this because I have a netbook with a (really) small screen. So if the bottom of the two screens is physically aligned but logically top aligned, when I move the mouse from one monitor to the other it jumps 4 inches vertically up or down and may in fact be off the bottom of my netbook screen. It makes it hard to follow with the eye where the mouse pointer is on the screen. It is easiest to top align because there is only one calculation to make. Think that most of the dual screen setups can be done using a restricted driver. I checked different ways, the nVidia is the more complete and easy to use for this purpose. AMD is harder to setup. And of course, Intel depend of the default Unity of Xfce tool, so it is the more limitated. unplugging a monitor and having the main screen left with no menu bar is just broken. This is what happens now. What happens in unity is much better. This is an xfce problem. I will be talking with an xfce dev and see what can be done to fix it. Maybe the good way would be have the possibility to save differents setups, like in network manager. And then, if possible, detect wich one is the good, or let the user choose. First we need to make default do something logical... then it is ok to worry about more than one setup :) -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Studio settings manager (was: studio and xubuntu)
On Mon, March 4, 2013 12:16 pm, Scott Lavender wrote: +1 as well. anything (almost) that reduces the delta is probably a good idea I will start working on it next... if it make R or not remains to be seen. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: New XFCE apps
On Mon, March 4, 2013 7:29 am, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: I have found that the GNOME tool for controlling xrandr works fine in gnome-shell, cinnamon, and icewm. In fact, when driver bugs in the xorg-edgers versions of the open source drivers made trouble on the activation of the second monitor, switching to icewm to change monitors, then back, was the workaround. It would seem to me that this tool should work in most DE's. The Arandr tool, by comparison, was a total bugfest when I tried it last year. Aside from not having problems with Arandr (aside from it not saving in a place where xfce could use it to start up with the next time) There are some cases I am not sure GNOME tool can help with. In order for auto-setup at session start to work (this would be the case of setup remaining after reboot), not only do we need the gnome tool to work but we also need gconfd (not sure if the name is exactly right) to be running all the time. xfce has it's own conf daemon running all the time. SO at session startup both tools are trying to start the session. This affects not only monitor setup, but every other session setting there is. So there are then two processes running instead of one, there are two settings managers, there are two sets of config files... and I am not sure which ones would take precedence. A better display setup tool for xfce would be better. Assuming the first thing is not a problem... There are some cases you have not mentioned. These cases happen to be the ones that cause the most support questions on IRC... for me at least. - What happens if you boot at some time with only one monitor? - What happens if you then boot another time with the second monitor again? - want happens if the second monitor is unplugged mid session? - What happens if the second monitor is hot plugged? - What happens the first time a second monitor is plugged in? (either hot or cold) These questions have nothing to do with whatever setup utility (GUI) plays with xrandr or saves it's settings. This is about detecting that the system has changed and using a reasonable setup as default or better yet allowing the user to pre set up both instances. That is, the user says If I only have one monitor I want $this setup and if I have two, I want this $other setup. The DE then switches between them on the fly. Basically, how this works is that the user sets up there system for whatever HW happens to be present. If the HW changes, then the DE saves the setup with a list of HW and looks for another setup that matches the new reality. If it finds one it uses it, if not it uses a reasonable default until the user plays with it. The user might also be able to set some of the defaults so that if a second monitor is plugged in the DE first tries to the right, or superimposed. But if a setting has been saved with $x model monitor, then it sets up to the right, bottom aligned. This is so the person who uses their laptop at home with a second monitor can have it to the right of their lap top, but if they use it to do a presentation with a projector, that projector works superimposed or on top. The idea that the user should have to fiddle each time they make changes like that, which might be daily depending on use, the user has to reset things up or make do. dbus seems the best way to deal with this as I think it can be setup to send a signal to a service on file creation (a new monitor should create a device file) or maybe some other kind of event. (i still need to find out how it can be detected the best) even better, if the service dbus wants to send something to isn't running, it starts it... so the service can make whatever changes and exit so it doesn't run all the time. While the unity setup does come with reasonable (not the best IMO) defaults, it fails the changing HW scenario as far as I can tell. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: New XFCE apps
On Mon, March 4, 2013 5:44 pm, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: I boot with both monitors attached, only one running in X. Can turn on second as needed for video editing, all savings in the GNOME tool are saved across all reboots. Even when turning second monitor on, the defaults are what I last used. Installation default is cloned, so I know my setup and alignment are being preserved without issues. How about unplugged? My external VGA on my netbook feels there is an external monitor even when just terminating the green channel (it's the only way I can boot :P ). Just powering a monitor off is not the same thing as unplugging. Though I am pretty sure it does create some difference... but not the same as no monitor. - composite video out - terminated = 75ohm (though shorted works too) - VGA - terminated means green channel has 75 ohms (shorted works too) - most analog formats are like that - digital... IDK I did a lot of testing on dual monitor stuff with an unpowered but terminated video out. So for me to test these things I need to know what live ISO can I try things on? -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Studio settings manager (was: studio and xubuntu)
On Sun, March 3, 2013 9:52 am, Len Ovens wrote: In my opinion it would be less confusing to have either a settings manager or a settings submenu and not both. As there are some settings that seem to be embedded in the settings manager, I would suggest going the same way as xubuntu with just the settings manager. Xubuntu has the settings manager as an app directly in the top level of the menu. We can do the same (possibly easier to support because it is standard) or put it either in System or Accessories submenus (or both). My opinion is the former. By the way, the idea is for people to comment on this :) -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
dual monitor support
I was thinking of seeing if the Display setup could be changed to add dual monitors. So the user could choose where the second monitor should be. The only problem with that is hot plug stuff. - unplugging a monitor during a session leaves the remaining monitor in the middle of a huge virtual desktop with no access to the desktop menu. - starting the computer with only one monitor plugged in or a second monitor off, changes the settings to either single monitor or the second monitor to an unpredictable size/resolution. It may also default to superimposed. In Ubuntu vanilla, there is no real setup for where the monitor is, but it does react nicely to hot plug events. On hot plugging a monitor it is placed to the right of the first monitor, top aligned. On unplugging the display reverts correctly to single display. The display setup in their case does allow the choice of superimposed. That is a much better setup. I would like to find out how they do it and if we can use it as is. If not we should create one (and add it to xfce) The only difference I would like to see is bottoms aligned. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
New XFCE apps
I was listening in on the Xubuntu meeting today. Mention was made of menulibre. I looked it up with synaptic and could not find it. So I asked :) and it is an in the works deal that xfce will be using to replace alacarte which both Xubuntu and Studio use as a menu editor. It is being written by the same author as catfish so I expect it to be good. It is lighter than alacarte as well... though I think we carry all the gnome libs anyway. I will be watching testing as work progresses. Perhaps it will be better than alacarte. I have been frustrated with the lack of usefulness of alacarte and the support headache I have had with it when other people try to do more than it was built for. While I was there I asked about monitor detection and when I told them why, I was told that there is a new display tool on the way as well. The background on displays is that dual monitors has been less than easy to use and once set up less than stable. Unity has a better (not as good as I would like) setup than xfce does. Unity at least defaults to side by side... though the side by side is top aligned rather than bottom. This is ok if both monitors are the same size, but with a laptop the main monitor in the laptop is likely smaller than the second and bottom alignment makes more sense (the mouse will be easier to find when moving it from one display to the other). I don't know how it deals with more than two monitors, but that is getting into specialty use and requires special X setup anyway as most video cards only have 2 outputs. Unity also does not allow setting the second monitor to left of or above the main monitor with a saved setting. That is, the second monitor can be moved, but if it is unplugged and reconnected it goes back to default to right of/top aligned. I would like to have a setup where there are two settings saved. A single setting and a dual setting and xfce dynamically switches form one setting to the other on hotplug. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Ubuntu going through major changes - What's the Ubuntu Studio standpoint in all this?
On Fri, March 1, 2013 2:57 am, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: There's also a discussion going on about changing to rolling release, which might mean that 13.04 will never be released. - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-February/036537.html The explanation actually makes sense. The reality is harder to predict. It will make LTS SRUs more worth while and important which may take some of the time and effort envisioned as being gained and refocusing on LTS maint. That could be good though. Wait and see. I am not sure I know how to have an opinion one way or the other. I have been using 13.04 on my daily desktop stuff and some audio testing as well. It has been pretty solid. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Graphics apps, kde stuff
On Mon, February 25, 2013 1:31 am, Shubham Mishra wrote: Actually there is an extension for inkscape for CMYK support, but that's besides the point. Inkscape is a vector program and is different from Krita which works with raster graphics (which is what one would use to create so called Digital Art). For those interested, I have added Krita to the seeds tonight. It will also be part of the graphics meta (ubuntustudio-graphics). -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: studio and xubuntu
On Tue, February 26, 2013 10:03 am, Elizabeth Krumbach wrote: On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 6:20 AM, Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net wrote: The packages are up to date. That is we do have xfce 4.10 for example. I'm a bit confused here, Xubuntu 12.10 uses Xfce 4.10. Where does Studio use 4.10 that Xubuntu does not? Was there an update on 12.04 that includes it? Sorry to be confusing. Lets just say that studio and xubuntu use the same version of xfce. The difference that I have seen is in the settings manager. Xubuntu has all the settings in the settings manager. We seem to part way but still have a lot in the settings menu instead. There are a few things that are audio specific like LADI, but even that could be added to the manager I think. I added the the colorimeter applet already. Mostly this is a matter of adding our own *.desktop files. (or getting xubuntu's installed) The places we are behind in are the places where xubuntu does not equal xfce. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: studio and xubuntu
On Mon, February 25, 2013 1:29 am, Janne Jokitalo wrote: On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 08:27:51PM -0800, Len Ovens wrote: We chose to use xubuntu as the base for ubuntu studio to ease maintenance issues. Hoping we could work with them to give both of us less work. snip [...] Studio is based on xubuntu 11.10. I don't understand this. Studio bases on current cycle packages every time, it's not looking back in any way. The whole point is to not having to maintain anything in the core package level, that would occur had we chosen to stand on an older release only (eventually anyway, once the support from vanilla and Xubuntu team ends). The packages are up to date. That is we do have xfce 4.10 for example. However compare the settings manager from one to the other. Xubuntu has more stuff in there than studio does even though studio has the applications that xubuntu shows inside the settings manager, in Studio the same app is just in the menu. I know these are minor details... Just remembered they enable gnome services by default, we don't. I would like to know why :) Maybe it would fix some of the bits we have had problems with. I can check later today, I'm sure it's somewhere in the seeds. -default-settings Anyway, I have installed xubuntu on my netbook so I can see what differences there are and if we should make changes too. Which version did you install, and which version are you comparing it with? 13.04 to 13.04 -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Graphics apps, kde stuff
This morning, a user asked about krita and was given the normal reply about us only including enough apps to cover workflows etc. No problem. I know we have not included KDE apps in the past because of the libs it pulls in. However, we have added kdenlive and so we now have the kde libs anyway. (2mb seems less of a problem on a 2G iso than on a 700M iso) I would suggest we maybe need to reassess our workflows with regard to best apps now that we can easily include kde apps. For example, is krita better than what we have now? A question for the artists in our midst. Speaking of kde programs, kdenlive adds k3b. I have personally had problems with k3b in that it has borked two dvds now (out of two). brasero works fine for me. I have heard other people have the same kind of problem. IS there anyone who uses k3b here that can confirm there is a problem? (or that it works fine?) I can't afford to waste DVDs testing it. I have been told that the problem is k3b works well with cdrecord but not with wodem (which we have). Wodem is one of those we (debian I would guess) don't like the licence on cdrecord so we are forking it so we can have GPL things, but once it is forked it doesn't get the love and care of the original author :P (yes who is cantankerous and hard to get along with, must be an artist, So what?) Maybe we have a reason to put cdrecord into the ubuntu repos over wodim? I don't think the licence is that bad from what I have heard. (I am not a lawyer :) -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Graphics apps, kde stuff
On Sun, February 24, 2013 8:02 am, Shubham Mishra wrote: On 02/24/2013 09:23 PM, Len Ovens wrote: This morning, a user asked about krita and was given the normal reply about us only including enough apps to cover workflows etc. No problem. I know we have not included KDE apps in the past because of the libs it pulls in. However, we have added kdenlive and so we now have the kde libs anyway. (2mb seems less of a problem on a 2G iso than on a 700M iso) I would suggest we maybe need to reassess our workflows with regard to best apps now that we can easily include kde apps. For example, is krita better than what we have now? A question for the artists in our midst. I presume the existing setup for Digital art is GIMP + GPS (2.8 comes with half the GPS brushes anyways). While that is a good setup, it does have a steeper learning curve, compared to Krita at least. That is understandable since GIMP was primarily intended as an image editing software ( and does that pretty well), whereas Krita is specifically a program made for digital art. With the the recent 2.6 release (PSD support anyone?) Krita is definitely a very high quality program to include in a FLOSS workflow for art, especially for artists who are trying to migrate from the Windows+Photoshop arena. GPS equals Gimp Paint Studio? We don't have it. The guy who was interested in packaging it seems to have vanished. I did suggest we would like to include it in US by default, but I think he is really only interested in doing that for an LTS release as it is a lot less work for him. I think Mypaint or inkscape are the only painting programs we have. There are some 3D things in here like blender and synfig. I am not a graphic artist really so I don't know what is good or not. However it sounds like this may be an area we have not covered at all. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Graphics apps, kde stuff
On Sun, February 24, 2013 8:52 am, Ho Wan Chan wrote: Now hmm I am the packager of Calligra (which includes Krita) for it's last two versions (2.6.0 2.6.1) since I'm now a Kubuntu packager. I thought that Krita is really a great app. However we aren't using KDE anymore. Even though we have KDE libs in the ISOs, I disagree that we should put it in. It's sort of not integrated. However since I'm not a member of the Ubuntu Studio Development Team, I shall not have any problems with it being added to the ISOs. My opinion is that integration is over rated :) Adding krita is 38Mb on the ISO or so. I am downloading it now to try. I find mypaint hard to use, but that is mostly because there is not an artist using the mouse :P Generally I find xpaint easier to use because it helps me do straight lines ;) What would probably be more useful to me is a simple drafting program. Anyway, I find krita easier to use than mypaint. It also looks a lot more complete. When run from a terminal, it does seem to output quite a bit. As for GIMP Paint Studio, I can absolutely volunteer to package it (since I now have more experience). However I need to find a sponsor to get it in the Ubuntu archive, otherwise we can't add it in into the ISOs. Please be aware that this would be an ongoing project as the GPS package has to be repackaged every time there is a new GIMP package as it has to be compiled against it. There are some other quirks as well to packaging that require some scripting to be run during install. On the whole it would be better to package a GIMP+GPS package. (which BTW would replace the standard gimp binaries if they happened to be installed) shnatsel is the last person who has done this work and would be able to tell you what needed doing. Even downloading his package (way out of date BTW) and examining the install scripts would be helpful. His PPA (if it is still around) is: ppa:shnatsel/gimp-paint-studio -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Graphics apps, kde stuff
On Sun, February 24, 2013 11:25 am, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: I have kdenlive installed in all of my systems, but not k3b. I'm using the Sunab PPA versons but did not always, and I don't see k3b listed as a dependancy or even as a recoomendation. I do see DVDauthor as a recommends, it does not depend on k3b either. I checked the Ubuntu packages website, the standard version of kdenlive and Kdenlive-data do not include k3b in their dependancies or recommends either. k3b lists that is a dependency of: kmediafactory dvd95 uck quodlibet-plugins kubuntu-full kubuntu-desktop k3b-i18n k3b-dbg ezgo-multimedia aptoncd We don't ship any of these. In fact none of them are listed as installed on my 13.04 system. I will have to look but I am pretty sure K3B is not in our seeds either. It did show up at the same time as I added kdenlive though. Weird. I've had good luck with dvdstyler for making DVDs that play in ordinary DVD players, but if I'm just sending files somewhere they go out as full HD 1080p files on data DVDs. I mostly make data disks. Maybe the k3b problem has been a matter of not checking to ensure the files are actually usable by a DVD player, or has it been something else? After burning the DVD, the computer that burned it wouldn't even recognize it. I did the second one just in case I had not made sure the disk was fixed, but had the same problem. So I used Brasero which worked fine. There is also a long-standing bug in Brasero, could be shared by other frontends like k3b, involving attempts to burn directly to disk without first making an image of the filesystem. That is a possibility... that could just as easily be a wodem bug. I haven't tried cdrecord, but word is it just works. I certainly never had a problem with cdrecord before wodem showed up either. Replacing a working program with one that doesn't is just dumb. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Graphics apps, kde stuff
On Sun, February 24, 2013 11:57 am, Benjamin Turner wrote: On 02/24/2013 09:44 AM, Len Ovens wrote: My opinion is that integration is over rated :) Adding krita is 38Mb on the ISO or so. I am downloading it now to try. I find mypaint hard to use, but that is mostly because there is not an artist using the mouse :P I agree with you about integration, mostly. One major thing to be said about the 'kde' integration is the ease of setting up custom keybindings for wacom tablets (what digital artist uses a mouse anymore?! ;) ). That was sort of my point. I am not an artist. So I do use a mouse, cause I don't have a tablet :) I would like to have one though, because I think it would make a great midi controller surface. Print out a mixer or other controller (or even an organ like keyboard, or drawbars just to name a few) and touch the four corners to set up the program and instant midi controller. I know that XFCE has some basic setup for tablets, and the pressure sensitivity is still used in Mypaint etc while under xfce, but being able to specifically configure the tablet for KDE apps in general is the real plus of KDE+Krita. Good to know. There are a few areas I would like to see fixed in xfce. Dual monitors is another. It would be great to know how kde does it. One day when I feel rich I will have to buy a tablet to play with. I wonder if just the kde settings app(let) is usable in xfce? I wonder if it uses a setup file, a driver or environment variables. (or just talks to x about it) I would say that I tend to use Mypaint for quick sketches in xfce, but if I'm going to do some real intensive painting sessions, I boot up a Kubuntu session with my specific tablet settings. The main drawback for me is that I always feel like there is A LOT of overhead using KDE just to get this functionality, but I don't have the time, or really the technical know-how to implement this type of thing in xfce. Yes KDE is a bit of a resource hog. I would like to slim down xfce even. I would like to get rid of anything that puts icons on the desktop, like the instance of thunar that runs at session start. This alone is reason enough to add it to US, but perhaps some effort upstream to make XFCE's tablet configuration more robust would be the real winner for every piece of digital painting software in US! That makes +3 and -1 so far. Scott? I know you do more graphics than I do. Any other artists? -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Graphics apps, kde stuff
On Sun, February 24, 2013 2:17 pm, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: No icons on the desktop is a deal-breaker for a lot of people. GNOME tried to do that, and was quickly forced to bring back that option. An empty default desktop is one thing, but not being able to use it would make what I do much more difficult. I can accept your judgment and experience on that even if I don't agree :) I personally find desktop icons less than useful as they tend to be hidden by whatever app I happen to be using. But that is just my personal experience. There was a time I thought of them as must haves, or at least nice to have. I have heard things like fat pig used to describe KDE, but even ultralight environments can be set up to run the file manager and have icons on the desktop. One of the lightest there is, although development is minimal these days, is Icewm. By default it is just a taskbar, tray, and window manager, but you can put anything you want in the startup scripts. DBUS seems to be one of those things we need to have. Not hard to add though, I have managed to have a working dbus on just VTs with no X session running. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
studio and xubuntu
We chose to use xubuntu as the base for ubuntu studio to ease maintenance issues. Hoping we could work with them to give both of us less work. However, xubuntu has moved on in a lot of ways and while we are keeping up with the xfce releases, we are less and less like xubuntu. A small example is the xubuntu settings setup. They have all of their settings as part of the settings manager. There are some other things too, but I have already forgotten them. I don't know that this is a problem, I just thought it was worth mentioning. Studio is based on xubuntu 11.10. Do we want to move it back a little closer? or does that matter? Perhaps just using them as a place to get started with xfce was enough. Just remembered they enable gnome services by default, we don't. I would like to know why :) Maybe it would fix some of the bits we have had problems with. Anyway, I have installed xubuntu on my netbook so I can see what differences there are and if we should make changes too. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
[Fwd: [LAU] light weight, full featured desktop for audio]
For those interested in my experiments. Original Message Subject: [LAU] light weight, full featured desktop for audio From:Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net Date:Tue, February 19, 2013 11:36 pm To: linux audio users linux-audio-u...@lists.linuxaudio.org -- With all the talk about minimal DE installs, and reading about the problems with different kernels and video cards... and what things cause xruns. I thought of a solution that may work well. Here is my minimal DE through the eyes of ps: joet@music:~$ ps x PID TTY STAT TIME COMMAND 3784 ?S 0:00 sshd: joet@pts/0 3785 pts/0Ss 0:00 -bash 3886 pts/0S 0:03 xfce4-panel 3890 pts/0S 0:00 dbus-launch --autolaunch cc2b7c64cc6292515b70bed8 3891 ?Ss 0:00 //bin/dbus-daemon --fork --print-pid 5 --print-addres 3893 ?S 0:00 /usr/lib/xfce4/xfconf/xfconfd 3909 pts/0R+ 0:00 ps x Yup, 6 things. The idea is to use two computers. Some of the mini atom MBs would easily fit two in one case and still use no fans and one PS. They all have Gb networking, so a small switch between them is all that is needed. This assumes a single audio card with enough channels for whatever you are doing, either pci, USB or (with a pci(e) FW card) FW. One computer is headless and never runs X, though it would have most of the x libs anyway. All of the audio SW would be installed on this machine. I only used xfce4-panel because it was already there (it's running ubuntustudio in real life sitting at the login screen). The panel has been cleared of all applets except for the main menu and shrunk to fit. I am not sure if this is enough, some people may need a systray as well. The panel seems to launch dbus for me too (good). The main thing is that it gives me a menu for that machine where the apps it launches all inherit the same dbus info and display. An ncurses based menu could work just as well. and there are other panels or docks which would also work. The second computer can run any linux or BSD or anything else so long as it has an xserver (even windows I think can have an xserver). It does not matter what video card you use, because you can run a generic kernel that the driver is made to run on. You don't have to think about interrupts or anything like that. Pulse run on this machine will not affect jack in any way. Rather than bother with figuring out a pulse-jack bridge, connect line out from the head board to the line of the audio board and vise versa and use zita-a2j and zita-j2a to add them to jack. My machines are not the best trial. I am using wireless networking (b version with max 11M, but most often less) but even with 100M there is some lag, though it doesn't effect the audio at all. Gb net would probably be good enough though. affects latency? yup. jack running -p16 -r 48000, guitarix on top. very few Xruns, with the DE on the same machine I had 1000s/minute. No mouse/kb irqs, no video irqs, Makes this old P4/2.4G sing. I'll have to try dual heading the gui box (aspire one netbook). So far I think this is a better solution than running the audio across the net. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net ___ Linux-audio-user mailing list linux-audio-u...@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
