I am curious to know if anybody in Friam-land will recognize the following
passage. No Fair using google.
It is NOT from the Gettysburg Address.
"Our work is guided by the sense that we may be the last generation in the
experiment with living. But we are a minority--the vast majority of our
I'll play.
Theodore Kaczynski?
Now I have to go see if I am right. It's scary playing this game and
quite possibly making a fool of oneself.
On Apr 11, 2007, at 6:10 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
I am curious to know if anybody in Friam-land will recognize the
following passage. No Fa
Nicholas Thompson wrote:
>
> I am curious to know if anybody in Friam-land will recognize the
> following passage. No Fair using google.
>
> It is NOT from the Gettysburg Address.
>
> *"Our work is guided by the sense that we may be the last generation
> in the experiment with living. But w
pson
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I am curious to know if anybody in Friam-land will recognize the following
passage. No Fair using google.
It is NOT from the Gettysburg Address.
"Our work is guid
hings have turned out nothing like what was described there ;-)
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> I am curious to know if anybody in Friam-land will recognize the
> following passage.
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> Does anyone remember the Port Huron Statement? I'm reaching here, and
> I don't rem
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> Lets see, patriot act,
> citizen phone taps without knowledge, bank taps without
> knowledge, Bush manipulatio
> "Loneliness, estrangement, isolation describe the vast distance between man
> and
> man today. These dominant tendencies cannot be overcome by better personnel
> management, nor by improved gadgets, but only when a love of man overcomes the
> idolatrous worship of things by man."
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Gus,
As I was reading through the full Por
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Steve:
Actually, your question is really hard. I have been involved in tracing the
significant issues--economic, political, ethical, philosophical--associated
with the emergence of various adv
Gus Koehler wrote:
> Technohippies can identify
> the ethical and moral limits, design webs that are grounded in the knowing
> of what is cut-off and what is brought forward. They can insist on
> face-to-face meetings and rolling in the grass.
alex strauss wrote:
> Back to rolling in the grass an
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> Gus,
>
> As I was reading through the full Port Huron statement at
> http://history.hanover.edu/courses/excerpts/111hur.html I was thinking,
> hmm,
> maybe if we actually develop
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I'll play.
Theodore Kaczynski?
Now I have to go see if I am right. It's scary playing this game and quite
possibly making a fool of oneself.
On Apr 11, 2007, at 6:10 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
I am
April 12, 2007 12:23 AM
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> Gus,
>
> As I was reading through the full Port Huron statement at
> http://history.hanover.edu/courses/excerpts/111hur.html I was
> thinking, hmm, maybe if we act
Phil Henshaw wrote:
> Something that has my sustainable design friends pulling their hair out
> now is the evidence that it's a mistake to think you can win the war
> against resource consumption growth just using efficiency. DOE figures
> show world energy efficiency doubling (cutting energy/$ i
oo.
>
> Kung Fu Technohippies Kicking Some Ass http://betterdonkey.org/node/
> 524
>
> Also, http://billyjoemills.blogspot.com/2006/03/rebellion-of-
> nerds.html
>
> And then there's the technohippy band.
>
>
>
> Gus
>
>
> Gus Koehler, Ph.D.
&
Mike, how goes it? Thanks for your note.
The field of science and technology studies is indeed interesting. Over the
years I've tried to track cultural studies and philosophical works that have
tried to reveal the form of what is emerging. The following authors turned
up: Taylor and Sararingen
Good day FRIAM,
I am happy to have found this group. Joining about a month ago and in
the midst of defending my proposal for dissertation research I haven't
yet had the energy to respond to any of the discussions here. But I
feel compelled today.
As an emerging expert in the field of science an
> So what does this reflexivity have to do with applied complexity science?
Interesting results are easier to come by if it is possible to chase the ball
with the bar that measures the kick!
FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
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>> So what does this reflexivity have to do with applied complexity science?
>
> Interesting results are easier to come by if it is possible to chase the
Folks that are interested in the structure of scientific communities
might be
interested in some of David Corfield's work. It's aimed primarily at the
intersection of the math and philosophy communities, but seems to me to
have
some cross-application to some of the issues in this thread. The re
Mikhail Gorelkin wrote:
> reflexivity is also a part of cybernetics (of second order), and
> cybernetists think that complexity theory is a part of cybernetics too...
>
For the social scientist, the approach raises two problems:
1) Too much reflection means too much attention to models of the w
No clue, but sounds like a normal view from the 50's 60's 70's 80's or
90's? Clearly not someone who knew about new classes of promising options
that hadn't been tried yet though...
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No clue, but sounds like a normal view from the 50's 60's 70's 80's or 90's?
Clearly not someone who knew about new classes of promising options that hadn'
Nicholas Thompson wrote:
> And counsels of dispair are urgings toward a libertine life. On the
> theory that my raping and muggering is as likely to produce social
> good as my non raping and non muggering, why dont I just go out and
> rape and mugger?
Is there some evidence that, without cons
Dr. Daniels,
I want to make sure I understand you. See below...
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> Mikhail Gorelkin wrote:
> > reflexivity is also a part of cybernetics (of second order), and
> > cybernetists think that complexity theory is a part of cybernetics too...
>
Friday, April 13, 2007 6:38 PM
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>
>
> Nicholas Thompson wrote:
> > And counsels of dispair are urgings toward a libertine life. On the
> > theory that my raping
Hi Matt,
>> For the social scientist, the approach raises two problems:
>>
>> 1) Too much reflection means too much attention to models of the world.
>> To ask the right questions means having unbiased data on how people in
>> some context of interest actually behave.
>>
> I take it that when
Good morning!
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> Hi Matt,
> >> For the social scientist, the approach raises two problems:
> >>
> >> 1) Too much reflection means too much attention to models of the world.
> >> To ask the right questions means having unbiased data on how peo
Matthew Francisco wrote:
> A system for knowing, for reflecting on reality; that's science, isn't
> it? A social system for reflecting on reality also fits the
> description of religion too (assuming that you accept a belief in what
> one is refleciting on is reality). We all know that there is a
d Complexity Coffee Group
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Matthew Francisco wrote:
> A system for knowing, for reflecting on reality; that's science, isn't
> it? A social system for reflecting on reality also fits the
> description of religion too (assumi
"Reflexivity" is one of those terms... Nice and neat in set theory,
a relation R is reflexive in set A iff for all a in A aRa is true.
Then there's the ethnomethodology version, which means talk and
situation dynamically co-constitute each other. Then there's the
focused ethno version I l
f anybody's got suggestions for us, technology-wise or otherwise, I'd be
glad to hear your thoughts & ideas.
Allison Pinto
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"Reflexivity" is one of those terms... Nice and n
www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2007/introducing-the-book-p1.php?
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> :) Allison
>
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Michael Agar wrote:
> "Reflexivity" is one of those terms... Nice and neat in set theory,
> a relation R is reflexive in set A iff for all a in A aRa is true.
>
Question is, what is the discrimination power of R? Does it ever say
false? (Unlike, say, Freud's theories or religious dogma
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Michael Agar wrote:
> "Reflexivity" is one of those terms... Nice and neat in set theory,
Frank Wimberly wrote:
> I am not aware of any definition of "discrimination power" in this
> context.
>
For example, `sameSex' is not reflexive on the set of all humans. It is
reflexive on the set of women or the set of men.
And the relation `sameSpecies' would be reflexive on the set of all
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Frank wrote:
> It seems to me that "sameSex" is reflexive on the set of all humans.
> The only thing that would falsify that would be a human who is not the
> same sex as him or her self.
>
The set of all humans is not reflexive due to ambiguity.
sameSex(x0,x1) := (hasMaleSexOrgan (x0) and hasM
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>
>
> Hello all,
>
> This is a fun discussion to be following. The use of
> technology to influence the emergence of socio-political
> processes & dynamics is something
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>
> Michael Agar wrote:
> > "Reflexivity" is one of those terms... Nice and neat in set theory,
> > a relation R is reflexive in set A iff for
, 2007 7:09 AM
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Hi Allison,
You must be familiar with the European consensus conference concept?
There has been some work in STS that looks at these sense-making spaces (see
Frank Fischer's
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All best and good luck with the project,
David
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Gus Koehler wrote:
> How is the invisible structure of software, be it GIS, networking systems,
> or electronic voting machines, to be made transparent and how do we know?
>
One thing is to do is to require these crucial systems be open source.
Maximally expose all potential vulnerabilities.
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Frank wrote:
> It seems to me that "sameSex" is reflexive on the set of all humans.
>
Frank Wimberly wrote:
> The reflexivity of the relation on the set of humans "hasSameSexAs"
> doesn't depend on what anyone reports or what organs they have. It only
> depends on whether their gender is what their gender is.
Unless it can't be defined as a single thing, in which case the set
can
On 4/15/07, Marcus G. Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Michael Agar wrote:
> > "Reflexivity" is one of those terms... Nice and neat in set theory,
> > a relation R is reflexive in set A iff for all a in A aRa is true.
> >
> Question is, what is the discrimination power of R? Does it ever say
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>
> Frank Wimberly wrote:
> > The reflexivity of the relation
Phil Henshaw wrote:
> So maybe the question of abstract v. real categories could provide
> plenty to talk about.
>
Or perhaps how to take a lot of talk (or papers) and mine it for strict
or fuzzy categories that a computer could use, e.g. software like
http://www.opencyc.org
I think that comm
aniels
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>
> Phil Henshaw wrote:
> > So maybe the question of abstract v. real categories could provide
> > plenty to
Phil Henshaw wrote:
> I'll have to try OpenCyc to have any clear idea what it's for. What's
> the productive question it asks?
>
>From http://www.cyc.com/cyc/technology/whatiscyc_dir/whatsincyc
The Cyc knowledge base (KB) is a formalized representation of a vast
quantity of fundamental hum
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>
> Phil Henshaw wrote:
>
Phil Henshaw wrote:
> you kept coming back
> with the additional levels of distinctions that a careful application of
> categories to physical things must encounter. Do you have a method of
> doing that, or is that part of the method of the Cyc data format
> somehow?
I don't have an algorithm f
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>
> Phil Henshaw wrote:
> > you kept coming back
> > with the additional levels of distinctions that a careful
> application
Phil Henshaw wrote:
> My guess is that the reason you
> can come up with exceptions for any abstract category assignment is that
> you're interested in how nature is both highly orderly and indefinable.
>
Design, prescriptive language, and abstract categories are for those
that aren't doing new
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Phil Henshaw wrote:
> H... what does that mean? The model of evolution I observe working
> in both natural systems and in designed systems is "exploration at the
> fringe" What that means depends on the system involved, but the
> invariant is a high degree of organizational invariance in th
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>
> Phil Henshaw wrote:
>
Phil Henshaw wrote:
> How would a computer be able to suggest that
> when you search for 'Corian' you might actually be looking for 'solid
> surface'. You might assume that the original discussion that
> associated the terms was not coded, and only the gradual change in usage
> can be documented
On Sun, Apr 22, 2007 at 09:45:11AM -0400, Phil Henshaw wrote:
>
> 1. the product Corian is a solid plastic countertop material that became
> popular, and the term began to be used to describe the whole class of
> similar products that began to develop. Then someone came up with the
> replacement
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Phil Henshaw wrote:
> Are you saying that the 'contextualize'
> function extracts the meanings of the words though, and looks for other
> associations with those meanings, or does it just reflect things like
> frequency and proximity of occurrence.
>
The purpose of the contextualize function i
You're quite right that arguing whether computer intelligence will be
like human intelligence is not the point, but how we can make computer
intelligence useful. The ways you've been pointing out for how
computers can mine the 'Rosetta stone' type archives that people of all
kinds put together, a
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