Joseph Tainter wrote:
> I disagree.
>
> What was a switch on the D is on the K10D (AF point selection, metering
> type). They moved the stuff from the mode dial (Which was a UI atrocity)
> to the Fn Menu (Which works very well).
>
> -Adam
> -
>
> The two big items for me are ISO set and the
You and I are evidently on opposite ends of the user spectrum. I
picked up the A2 and figured out most of its functions and features,
more than I usually need for my photographic work, without opening
the owner's manual in about 5 minutes. There are many subtleties that
the instruction manu
I dunno about ISO, I know that after couple minutes I played with it
the interface seemed really badly designed and I could easily find
what I wanted to. So you telling me I know nohing about it seems you
can't read or you wouldn't react like that but maybe you don't know
what fun is about.
Now, i
Why make fun of something that you know nothing about? It's that
attitude I find ridiculous.
I've had the A2 for over two years and many thousands of pictures. It
is remarkably difficult to let go of it as it has features,
functional layout and image quality that are above and beyond any
o
That's why I said I was of course exagerating based on your comments
which means that I obviously do NOT own one and I do not pretend to.
What you said *looked to me* as it was really annoying to change ISO
on the A2.
I had one in my hands for 5 minutes, no more than that, and I didn't
like it at
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about vis-a-vis the KM
A2.
Folks who've owned one love it precisely for it's superb, direct, and
easy to learn control layout.
Godfrey
On Oct 17, 2006, at 12:17 AM, Thibouille wrote:
> I didn't know about the E1, it seems indeed ideal.
> The KM
On Oct 16, 2006, at 4:08 PM, Adam Maas wrote:
> I'd agree on the FM-D, even better would be a FM2-D, with the FM2's
> slightly larger size and better finder.
I used the term "FM" to indicate the Nikon FM, FM2, FE2 and FM3a
bodies. The FM, FM2, FE2 were exactly the same size, as I recall ...
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> On Oct 16, 2006, at 11:35 PM, Gabriel Cain wrote:
>
>> What I'm stating is more of a wistful desire of something in the exact
>> form-factor of the K1000 that happens to record to digital instead
>> of film.
>> I know it won't happen (unless I do it myself by modding
Except in a Limited serie ;)
They should bring a K1000D Limited, sell it for many bucks and it
would still sell I think :)
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I didn't know about the E1, it seems indeed ideal.
The KM 12 is the opposite IMO I'd prefer sticking to my D then having to:
1/ Shake the camera to letit know you wanna change a setting
2/ Select the ISO on a selector hidden under a secret trap nobody uses
3/ turn the back wheel to the right, the
I own a vintage car. But I don't want a replica of a vintage car with
a contemporary drivetrain. Phooey.
Paul
On Oct 16, 2006, at 8:11 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote:
> On 17/10/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I wouldn't want one. Been there and done that. It's the past.
>
> It'
On 17/10/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I wouldn't want one. Been there and done that. It's the past.
It's a bit like pining for a vintage car I guess :-)
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I wouldn't want one. Been there and done that. It's the past.
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On Oct 16, 2006, at 5:19 PM, Gabriel Cain wrote:
> Thibouille wrote:
>> You know Rob, I'd be the first to want an LX/K1000-like camera made
>> digital, sort of what the MZ-5 was. Take a K1000/LX, slap a sensor
>> and
>> let every
On 17/10/06, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's much less expensive to do this in software, than with a mechanical
> resistor. I've used the dial/wheel on the D and the menu on the Ds, the
> one thing I can say is that once you get used to one switching to the
> other is a PITA. Neith
On Oct 16, 2006, at 11:35 PM, Gabriel Cain wrote:
> What I'm stating is more of a wistful desire of something in the exact
> form-factor of the K1000 that happens to record to digital instead
> of film.
> I know it won't happen (unless I do it myself by modding one, but
> I don't
> have the
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> To me, the *ist DS and now K110D are the embodiment of what the K1000
> was in 35mm film. Basic, practical, usable cameras that sell for very
> reasonable prices.
Indeed, although I haven't used either the *ist or K1X0 bodies enough to get
a good feel for them.
What
On Oct 16, 2006, at 10:19 PM, Gabriel Cain wrote:
> Thibouille wrote:
>> You know Rob, I'd be the first to want an LX/K1000-like camera made
>> digital, sort of what the MZ-5 was. Take a K1000/LX, slap a sensor
>> and
>> let everything in place.
>
> I'd love that, too. I really enjoy taking pi
The Sony R1 and Canon 10D have a button for ISO. Press the button and
dial up the desired ISO with one of the thumbwheels. No mode selector
change and no menu.
The Konica Minolta A2 has a second function selector wheel, separate
from the exposure mode selector, with a button in the middle. S
alf Of
> Gabriel Cain
> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 5:20 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Digital K1000 (was Re: Pentax Japan delays K10D release date)
>
> Thibouille wrote:
>> You know Rob, I'd be the first to want an LX/K1000-like camera made
>&
: Digital K1000 (was Re: Pentax Japan delays K10D release date)
Thibouille wrote:
> You know Rob, I'd be the first to want an LX/K1000-like camera made
> digital, sort of what the MZ-5 was. Take a K1000/LX, slap a sensor and
> let everything in place.
I'd love that, too. I
Thibouille wrote:
> You know Rob, I'd be the first to want an LX/K1000-like camera made
> digital, sort of what the MZ-5 was. Take a K1000/LX, slap a sensor and
> let everything in place.
I'd love that, too. I really enjoy taking pictures with great care to what
I'm doing with a K1000. It's fidd
Don't forget the winder lever to cock the shutter and save some
electrical power for taking pictures, who'd be silly enough to build a
camera like that... (Wait a minute, isn't that the Cosina/Epson RD-1).
Thibouille wrote:
>You know Rob, I'd be the first to want an LX/K1000-like camera made
It's much less expensive to do this in software, than with a mechanical
resistor. I've used the dial/wheel on the D and the menu on the Ds, the
one thing I can say is that once you get used to one switching to the
other is a PITA. Neither is optimal, but I haven't seen an optimal
solution yet
On 16/10/06, Thibouille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You know Rob, I'd be the first to want an LX/K1000-like camera made
> digital, sort of what the MZ-5 was. Take a K1000/LX, slap a sensor and
> let everything in place.
> What a joy... what a suicide too, unfortunately.
>
> It won't happen IMO. Bu
Sure but you know well that a knob in a "old-fashioned" design (I put
quotes for a reason) wouldn't make it don't you? ;)
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On 16/10/06, Thibouille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sure but you know well that a knob in a "old-fashioned" design (I put
> quotes for a reason) wouldn't make it don't you? ;)
Not sure what you mean? Maybe not on a modern Pentax camera but a
conventionally styled ISO dial worked for the Epson RD-
You know Rob, I'd be the first to want an LX/K1000-like camera made
digital, sort of what the MZ-5 was. Take a K1000/LX, slap a sensor and
let everything in place.
What a joy... what a suicide too, unfortunately.
It won't happen IMO. But I'd buy one, for sure.
C'mon you see a K10D with instead of
Shel
> [Original Message]
> From: Digital Image Studio
> On 16/10/06, Thibouille wrote:
> > I think the reason why Pentax didn't put a knob for ISO setting is
> > simply that taking into account what they did with SV/TAV and its
> > consequences (ISO selection at 1/2 & 1/3 stop), just imag
On 16/10/06, Thibouille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think the reason why Pentax didn't put a knob for ISO setting is
> simply that taking into account what they did with SV/TAV and its
> consequences (ISO selection at 1/2 & 1/3 stop), just imagone the knob
> resulting with all 1/3 ISO stops LOL
I think the reason why Pentax didn't put a knob for ISO setting is
simply that taking into account what they did with SV/TAV and its
consequences (ISO selection at 1/2 & 1/3 stop), just imagone the knob
resulting with all 1/3 ISO stops LOL :)
The screen is also more flexible: 1 stop at a time, hal
On 16.10.2006, at 00:53 , Digital Image Studio wrote:
> I agree but at least the Sv and Tav modes will provide some
> alternative to having to dig though menus to change ISO, the drive
> button absence will be a pain though.
It's just one more button press to set drive mode then it was in
*istD
Joseph Tainter wrote:
> Apart from the drive mode I don't see where you lose a knob/button
> going from a D to a K10D (at least those who were well thought of).
> Tell me.
>
> -
>
> As I wrote, the issues for me are setting the ISO and drive modes. I am
> not looking forward to having to set
On 16/10/06, Joseph Tainter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The two big items for me are ISO set and the drive button. I use both
> regularly. I would rather have them on the top of the camera than on the
> back, even if the implementation on the top is less than ideal (as the
> ISO set mechanism is
Apart from the drive mode I don't see where you lose a knob/button
going from a D to a K10D (at least those who were well thought of).
Tell me.
-
As I wrote, the issues for me are setting the ISO and drive modes. I am
not looking forward to having to set the ISO on the K10D by going
through
Apart from the drive mode I don't see where you lose a knob/button
going from a D to a K10D (at least those who were well thought of).
Tell me.
2006/10/15, Joseph Tainter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> It just says that they really screwed up their pricing to me. If they
> really had a handle on the marke
- Original Message -
From: "Adam Maas"
Subject: Re: Pentax Japan delays K10D release date
>
> . It's Sigma that
> continues to have problems with anything electronic (Ironic since
> their
> Sigma AF mount is actually a clone of EOS electrically).
>
S
I disagree.
What was a switch on the D is on the K10D (AF point selection, metering
type). They moved the stuff from the mode dial (Which was a UI atrocity)
to the Fn Menu (Which works very well).
-Adam
-
The two big items for me are ISO set and the drive button. I use both
regularly. I wou
Joseph Tainter wrote:
> It just says that they really screwed up their pricing to me. If they
> really had a handle on the market they would have priced it below the
> competition but not sub US$1000 (which seems to be the current cascade
> pricing point). Then they could have ended up with a far b
It just says that they really screwed up their pricing to me. If they
really had a handle on the market they would have priced it below the
competition but not sub US$1000 (which seems to be the current cascade
pricing point). Then they could have ended up with a far better
profit/item ratio and no
But I know Sigma plays without any license.
Maybe Tokina/Tamron did buy license and as such do not have
compatibility problems ?
2006/10/15, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> William Robb wrote:
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "David Mann"
> >
William Robb wrote:
> - Original Message -
> From: "David Mann"
> Subject: Re: Pentax Japan delays K10D release date
>
>
>
>> That business model would be a complete disaster in the photographic
>> industry. Most people are only going to use th
- Original Message -
From: "David Mann"
Subject: Re: Pentax Japan delays K10D release date
> That business model would be a complete disaster in the photographic
> industry. Most people are only going to use their DSLR with the kit
> lens(es), which are often
On Oct 14, 2006, at 8:48 PM, John Celio wrote:
> The same thing happens in other industries all the time. In the
> video game
> industry, for example, game consoles often LOSE money for the
> company that
> makes them (the original XBox is a good example of this). They
> exist to
> lock yo
Thibouille wrote:
> Does the D200 meters with MF glass at all?
Yes. It's AI coupled so it meters with all AI or AI-converted lenses.
> Does the D200 meters matrix with even non AF lens? AI/ non AI ?
Yes, although with non-CPU lenses you have to enter focal length and max
aperture. It will matri
Does the D200 meters with MF glass at all?
Does the D200 meters matrix with even non AF lens? AI/ non AI ?
Remember the K10D does matrix with A lenses (and P-TTL) and those are MF.
That said I agree with you, taking into account the differences, K10D
and D200 or about hte same category. Which one
DagT wrote:
> Den 14. okt. 2006 kl. 02.49 skrev Adam Maas:
>>>
>>> DagT
>> I picked a couple egregarious examples. How about the Nikon D2Xs or
>> D200, which are double and more than quadruple the cost of the K10D
>> respectively. And are the same format.
>>
>> -Adam
>
> I donĀ“t see the problem i
Den 14. okt. 2006 kl. 02.49 skrev Adam Maas:
> DagT wrote:
>> Den 13. okt. 2006 kl. 22.18 skrev Adam Maas:
>>
>>> graywolf wrote:
QUESTION?
What does this say about that "High-end cameras do not sell well"
crap?
>>> That's not exactly a high-end camera by price. It's very
Digital Image Studio wrote:
> On 14/10/06, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> QUESTION?
>>
>> What does this say about that "High-end cameras do not sell well" crap?
>
> It just says that they really screwed up their pricing to me. If they
> really had a handle on the market they would have pr
On 14/10/06, John Celio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Selling fewer bodies for a higher price would be worse than disappointing a
> few people by pushing back the ship date, or not being able to meet initial
> demand. At the very least, people who get their cameras first will create a
> buzz about
>> What does this say about that "High-end cameras do not sell well" crap?
>
> It just says that they really screwed up their pricing to me. If they
> really had a handle on the market they would have priced it below the
> competition but not sub US$1000 (which seems to be the current cascade
> pri
at's a good decision or a bad one, or if it matters.
>>
>>
>>
>>Tom C.
>>
>>
>>
>>----Original Message Follows----
>>From: "K.Takeshita" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>To: Pentax-Discus
On 14/10/06, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> QUESTION?
>
> What does this say about that "High-end cameras do not sell well" crap?
It just says that they really screwed up their pricing to me. If they
really had a handle on the market they would have priced it below the
competition but not s
HAR!!!
On Oct 13, 2006, at 10:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In a message dated 10/13/2006 11:23:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Reports/rumors elsewhere were that:
>
> 1. Pentax was still working on the firmware until a few days ago.
> 2. Production assembly started
In a message dated 10/13/2006 11:23:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Reports/rumors elsewhere were that:
1. Pentax was still working on the firmware until a few days ago.
2. Production assembly started on 11 October.
==
They are probably delaying because they have decide
DagT wrote:
> Den 13. okt. 2006 kl. 22.18 skrev Adam Maas:
>
>> graywolf wrote:
>>> QUESTION?
>>>
>>> What does this say about that "High-end cameras do not sell well"
>>> crap?
>>>
>> That's not exactly a high-end camera by price. It's very well
>> specified,
>> but it's also a sub-$1000 body
Den 13. okt. 2006 kl. 22.18 skrev Adam Maas:
> graywolf wrote:
>> QUESTION?
>>
>> What does this say about that "High-end cameras do not sell well"
>> crap?
>>
>
> That's not exactly a high-end camera by price. It's very well
> specified,
> but it's also a sub-$1000 body, right in at the price
graywolf wrote:
> QUESTION?
>
> What does this say about that "High-end cameras do not sell well" crap?
>
That's not exactly a high-end camera by price. It's very well specified,
but it's also a sub-$1000 body, right in at the price that kickstarted
the amateur DSLR market.
Compare to the $26
Example: When the Mazda Miata first came out there was no bargaining
with dealers on sticker price. The demand was higher than supply. One
paid sticker price or higher if they really wanted one now. Everyone
else waited until supply caught up.
Tom C.
-
Right. Can you imagine Toyota sto
On Fri, 13 Oct 2006, Joseph Tainter wrote:
> I just don't understand Pentax. They are always shooting themselves in
> the foot.
Don't you think Pentax would like to have plenty of K10D's for sale ASAP?
This is a brand new camera, one of the most sophicated Pentax has
produced. A slight delay wo
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Gonz wrote:
> It sounds like Pentax has hit one out of the ballp
lly wanted one now. Everyone else waited
until supply caught up.
I didn't have one (just wishful thinking at the time).
Tom C.
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Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:06:46 -0400
I suspect they had sales forecasted already, based on dealer commitments
and monitoring lists and forums.
I don't think they realized exactly how popular the K10D would be, and
how ba
Reports/rumors elsewhere were that:
1. Pentax was still working on the firmware until a few days ago.
2. Production assembly started on 11 October.
If true, and it sounds like the reports were, this delay was inevitable.
The line about having enough cameras in stock to ship at once sounds
like
ot; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: Pentax Japan delays K10D release date
> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:48:46 -0400
>
> On 10/13/06 3:35 AM, "Digital Image Studio", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> w
It sounds like Pentax has hit one out of the ballpark. Now we have to
see if they dont choke. I suppose they much rather have this problem
than the opposite.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Digital Image Studio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>>Pentax Japan has announced that K10D's local release
Perhap they reckoned there could only be 1 shipment before x'mas, so they
were trying to produce as many units as possible to fill the market? Makes
sense to me, not that I am buying 1 this year.
Regards,
Alan Chan
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> Announcing the shipping date before they knew how m
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Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:48:46 -0400
On 10/13/06 3:35 AM, "Digital Image Studio", &
Of course they are. And in a little over two weeks you'll get
an email from Amazon with an updated delivery estimate, and one
link to click on to accept this, and another link to decline it
and cancel the order.
On Fri, Oct 13, 2006 at 06:08:51AM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote:
> Amazon is still t
On 10/13/06, K.Takeshita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Every time he visited there, the AF speed has been noticeably faster.
Opps, sorry, he was saying that the "AF accuracy (not the speed)" was
constantly improving.
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On 10/13/06, K.Takeshita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 10/13/06 3:35 AM, "Digital Image Studio", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Pentax Japan has announced that K10D's local release date will be Nov 30:
> >
> > http://www.pentax.co.jp/japan/news/2006/200647.html
>
>
> Quick translation;
>
> [Pen
On 10/13/06 3:35 AM, "Digital Image Studio", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Pentax Japan has announced that K10D's local release date will be Nov 30:
>
> http://www.pentax.co.jp/japan/news/2006/200647.html
Quick translation;
[Pentax have decided the new launch date of K10D be Nov.30
Although we
Well, I can wait another month or two if I have to.
On Oct 13, 2006, at 4:34 AM, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:
> Digital Image Studio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Pentax Japan has announced that K10D's local release date will be Nov
>> 30:
>>
>> http://www.pentax.co.jp/japan/news/2006/200647.html
Amazon is still telling me to expect delivery within about two weeks
from today.
Paul
On Oct 13, 2006, at 3:49 AM, DagT wrote:
> Can anyone here translate this?
>
> According to some on drpeview the reason is that they have too many
> preorders outside Japan, and that these orders have priority.
Interesting. I just heard that the K10D will be available in at least one
local store here the first week in November. A friend bought one and was
contacted by the store owner yesterday and got the info. I guess we'll
still have to wait a bit and see
Shel
> [Original Message]
> From: Di
I have my order in. When it arrives, I'm happy.
I'm happy in the meantime anyway as I have good lenses and the DS to
work with.
Patience... A pre-order does not guarantee fast delivery, only a
priority on when the product actually arrives.
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> Fra: "Digital Image Studio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> On 13/10/06, DagT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Can anyone here translate this?
> >
> > According to some on drpeview the reason is that they have too many
> > preorders outside Japan, and that these orders have priority.
>
> The post that y
Digital Image Studio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Pentax Japan has announced that K10D's local release date will be Nov 30:
>
> http://www.pentax.co.jp/japan/news/2006/200647.html
I've just cranked it through Altavista's translation site and there is
something along the lines that they're postpo
On 13/10/06, DagT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Can anyone here translate this?
>
> According to some on drpeview the reason is that they have too many preorders
> outside Japan, and that these orders have priority.
The post that you are referring to was nothing more than wishful
thinking on the p
Can anyone here translate this?
According to some on drpeview the reason is that they have too many preorders
outside Japan, and that these orders have priority.
DagT
> Fra: "Digital Image Studio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Pentax Japan has announced that K10D's local release date will be Nov 30
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