Re: [Vo]:steorn talk#2 today at 5pm irish time + closeup shots of steorn talk#2 demo-rig

JLN wondering about being able to cancel backemf: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veoRZh0GTkQ video description: "Here an interesting experiment which shows that Back EMF exist and can be measured and also CANCELED in the toroïdal stator coils. You will notice that the position where the Back EMF is

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At 03:38 PM 1/14/2010, Jed Rothwell wrote: In politics, business and consulting, many people make a good living by obfuscation and sewing confusion. I like that. "Sewing." They stitch it together rather than tossing seeds in the ground.

Re: [Vo]:steorn talk#2 today at 5pm irish time + closeup shots of steorn talk#2 demo-rig

At 03:02 PM 1/14/2010, Terry Blanton wrote: Somehow Steorn must measure the torque or have the motor perform work, eg lift a weight, pump water, etc. But they seem to have a basic lack of understanding of this fact. This is quite the response that Steorn wants from people who realize the prob

Re: [Vo]:steorn talk#2 today at 5pm irish time + closeup shots of steorn talk#2 demo-rig

On Thu, 14 Jan 2010, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: They are selling mystery. Call it entertainment. Have a few hundred dollars If Steorn was an old prospector in a southwestern tavern, he'd be selling pieces of his treasure map to the marks. (And everyone gets the same piece, of course!) But

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At 01:03 PM 1/14/2010, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: Nevertheless, you state at the very beginning that you didn't have enough time to watch the show in its entirety. Let me reiterate: It is in fact the first thing you tell your readers. While, in a sense, you are taking advantage of lite

Re: [Vo]:steorn talk#2 today at 5pm irish time + closeup shots of steorn talk#2 demo-rig

- Original Message > From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 10:31:34 AM > Subject: Re: [Vo]:steorn talk#2 today at 5pm irish time + closeup shots of > steorn talk#2 demo-rig > > From Terry: > > >

Re: [Vo]:steorn talk#2 today at 5pm irish time + closeup shots of steorn talk#2 demo-rig

No, it does some mechanical work, it's spinning. It is overcoming bearing friction and wind friction. No doubt it is performing mechanical work. But to be OU, it must perform more mechanical work than electrical input. But the freakin' motor would not work without magnetic floating bearings. A

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On 01/14/2010 03:02 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > The Orbo is a motor as I am sure we will all agree. In order for the > motor to be OU, it must be outputting more mechanical energy than > electrical energy it consumes. Not exactly -- not the way the term has been used to describe the Steorn motor

Re: [Vo]:steorn talk#2 today at 5pm irish time + closeup shots of steorn talk#2 demo-rig

>From Terry: > The Orbo is a motor as I am sure we will all agree. > In order for the motor to be OU, it must be outputting > more mechanical energy than electrical energy it consumes. > > Somehow Steorn must measure the torque or have the motor > perform work, eg lift a weight, pump water, etc.

Re: [Vo]:steorn talk#2 today at 5pm irish time + closeup shots of steorn talk#2 demo-rig

Terry Blanton wrote: Somehow Steorn must measure the torque or have the motor perform work, eg lift a weight, pump water, etc. But they seem to have a basic lack of understanding of this fact. Or, they understand it perfectly well but they don't want to do that because they are in the busine

Re: [Vo]:steorn talk#2 today at 5pm irish time + closeup shots of steorn talk#2 demo-rig

The Orbo is a motor as I am sure we will all agree. In order for the motor to be OU, it must be outputting more mechanical energy than electrical energy it consumes. Somehow Steorn must measure the torque or have the motor perform work, eg lift a weight, pump water, etc. But they seem to have a

Re: [Vo]:steorn talk#2 today at 5pm irish time + closeup shots of steorn talk#2 demo-rig

>From Abd: >> Tl;dw is a great way to go. I give you a WTG for this one, >> possibly followed by a few other acronyms, which I dislike, >> such as "LOL" and "OMG" Even I had the time to watch >> the live presentation, and I can't finish most documentaries >> or even a song. > The writer here

Re: [Vo]:steorn talk#2 today at 5pm irish time + closeup shots of steorn talk#2 demo-rig

At 03:11 AM 1/14/2010, Esa Ruoho wrote: On 14 Jan 2010, at 06:07, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <a...@lomaxdesign.com> wrote: http://www.youtube.com/user/SteornOfficial#p/u/0/bzcZDr1AcEU The set of videos is too

Re: [Vo]:steorn talk#2 today at 5pm irish time + closeup shots of steorn talk#2 demo-rig

At 03:07 AM 1/14/2010, Esa Ruoho wrote: At 05:45 PM 1/13/2010, Terry Blanton ." He claims that the energy output is greater than the input, but he says that again and again without showing a measurement of this. "Next week," he says. So, Abd, do you even know what happens next week? They open

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On 01/14/2010 11:46 AM, Mark Iverson wrote: > Abd wrote: > > "And the answer was essentially to first give a bullshit answer, that a > capacitor couldn't supply > the "instantaneous current" needed. Put enough capacitance in there and you > could vaporize the > conductors if you shorted it."

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I have stayed away from the Steorn discussion, but I have now looked a Naudin's device and looked at the presentation on YouTube. I have also spent time with the Newumann machine cotroversy, and dug deeply into the Correa PAGD device and looked at the Testatika publications, including hearing a

RE: [Vo]:steorn talk#2 today at 5pm irish time + closeup shots of steorn talk#2 demo-rig

Abd wrote: "And the answer was essentially to first give a bullshit answer, that a capacitor couldn't supply the "instantaneous current" needed. Put enough capacitance in there and you could vaporize the conductors if you shorted it." According to Sean, its not a matter of having "enough capac

Re: [Vo]:steorn talk#2 today at 5pm irish time + closeup shots of steorn talk#2 demo-rig

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:57:17 -0600 OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: > Unfortunately for the rest of us who are > languishing in the peanut gallery, I fear we will have to wait very > VERY long time before anything of substance is revealed. McCarthy says that calorimetry results will be publis

Re: [Vo]:steorn talk#2 today at 5pm irish time + closeup shots of steorn talk#2 demo-rig

>From Terry: >> Steorn deserves to give its audience a more thorough explanation >> [in regards to why Steorn used a battery instead of a capacitor.] >> I hope it is forth coming. > > I seriously doubt it since the statement is false. IIRC, he said that > the capacitor was too slow in current deli

Re: [Vo]:steorn talk#2 today at 5pm irish time + closeup shots of steorn talk#2 demo-rig

On 01/12/2010 10:49 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > > > On 01/12/2010 06:29 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: >> On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > > The field of a permanent magnet must be either anchored in the magnet's > material, or knotted around part of the magnet, a

Re: [Vo]:steorn talk#2 today at 5pm irish time + closeup shots of steorn talk#2 demo-rig

On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 9:11 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: > Steorn deserves to give its audience a more thorough explanation. I hope it > is forth coming. I seriously doubt it since the statement is false. IIRC, he said that the capacitor was too slow in current delivery. Actu

RE: [Vo]:steorn talk#2 today at 5pm irish time + closeup shots of steorn talk#2 demo-rig

>From Abd: ... > Okay, I kept watching. Questioner asked why they weren't using > capacitors instead of a battery, for all the reasons we discussed. > And the answer was essentially to first give a bullshit answer, that > a capacitor couldn't supply the "instantaneous current" needed. Put > enoug

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iPoni sent dis message. Esa Ruoho wrote it. On 14 Jan 2010, at 06:07, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: http://www.youtube.com/user/SteornOfficial#p/u/0/bzcZDr1AcEU The set of videos is too long for me to watch now. But my immediate impression. Tl;dw is a great way to go. I give you a WTG

Re: [Vo]:steorn talk#2 today at 5pm irish time + closeup shots of steorn talk#2 demo-rig

iPoni sent dis message. Esa Ruoho wrote it. On 14 Jan 2010, at 06:07, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: At 05:45 PM 1/13/2010, Terry Blanton ." He claims that the energy output is greater than the input, but he says that again and again without showing a measurement of this. "Next week," he s

Re: [Vo]:steorn talk#2 today at 5pm irish time + closeup shots of steorn talk#2 demo-rig

At 05:45 PM 1/13/2010, Terry Blanton wrote: Here is 1 of 5 youtube vids: http://www.youtube.com/user/SteornOfficial#p/u/0/bzcZDr1AcEU The set of videos is too long for me to watch now. But my immediate impression. The demonstrations are technically far more complex, they *look* much better.

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On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: > I haven't been following the steorn demo. Did he actually replace the magnets > as part of his demo? Not yet. He has 2 more "demos" to go. Here is 1 of 5 youtube vids: http://www.youtube.com/user/SteornOfficial#p/u/0/bzcZDr1AcEU Terry

Re: [Vo]:steorn talk#2 today at 5pm irish time + closeup shots of steorn talk#2 demo-rig

From: Stephen A. Lawrence To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 1:15:34 PM > > > >On 01/12/2010 12:34 PM, Esa Ruoho wrote: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/79138...@n00/4268789755/ > >First slide: > >"However certain components (such as the magnets used) >store energy, to prove over

Re: [Vo]:steorn talk#2 today at 5pm irish time + closeup shots of steorn talk#2 demo-rig

On Jan 12, 2010, at 6:49 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: On 01/12/2010 06:29 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: [And by the way I'd still love to see a sketch of the field of the toroidal magnetic cores, if anyone happens to have a link

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On 01/12/2010 06:29 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > > >> [And by the way I'd still love to see a sketch of the field of the >> toroidal magnetic cores, if anyone happens to have a link to one (don't >> spend a lot of your time searching

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On Tue, 12 Jan 2010, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Certainly if a motor were demonstrated which genuinely converted the field of the permanent magnets into kinetic energy, while "draining" their magnetism, it would be nearly as remarkable as a true OU motor. NIB supermagnets can be demagnetized b

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On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > [And by the way I'd still love to see a sketch of the field of the > toroidal magnetic cores, if anyone happens to have a link to one (don't > spend a lot of your time searching the Steorn site for a diagram, tho, > please, just to sa

Re: [Vo]:steorn talk#2 today at 5pm irish time + closeup shots of steorn talk#2 demo-rig

maybe these are better and more useful Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib9u811WXJU Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtKHo9dKHtQ Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gTyS_RKLXc Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSa-Mcd24Ac (think its valid to post these here, cos last steorn-ta

Re: [Vo]:steorn talk#2 today at 5pm irish time + closeup shots of steorn talk#2 demo-rig

the whole talk: http://jandemooij.nl/temp/steorn/20100112%20cam1.flv http://jandemooij.nl/temp/steorn/20100112%20cam3.flv and in case they get removed, just zoom to http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/steorntalk2

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On 01/12/2010 02:44 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: >>From Stephen: > > ... > >> Sure, you can ruin magnets in a motor, but that's not at >> all the same as *making* *use* of the magnetic field of the >> magnets as it degrades -- i.e., loss of magnetization is always >> just an artifac

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From: Esa > http://freeorbo.wordpress.com/2010/01/12/cop_live/ Excerpt: > 11:44 Question: Why aren’t product developers jumping up > and down? > Answer [Sean?]: They are. Ever since Dec. 15th people are > knocking their doors down. Licenses open on February 1st, > we’ll see how many developers a

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The biggest energy cost in creating a NdFeBo magnet is in the great and rapid thermal shifts required in sintering the material. The energy expended in the actual domain alignment is infinitesimal in comparison.

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On Jan 12, 2010, at 9:15 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: On 01/12/2010 12:34 PM, Esa Ruoho wrote: http://www.flickr.com/photos/79138...@n00/4268789755/ First slide: "However certain components (such as the magnets used) store energy, to prove over unity we must prove that the energy of the

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http://freeorbo.wordpress.com/2010/01/12/cop_live/

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>From Stephen: ... > Sure, you can ruin magnets in a motor, but that's not at > all the same as *making* *use* of the magnetic field of the > magnets as it degrades -- i.e., loss of magnetization is always > just an artifact, never something vital to the motor's > operation. I'm a little confuse

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On 01/12/2010 12:34 PM, Esa Ruoho wrote: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/79138...@n00/4268789755/ First slide: "However certain components (such as the magnets used) store energy, to prove over unity we must prove that the energy of these components does not degrade during the interaction." As

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/79138...@n00/4268789755/ On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Esa Ruoho wrote: > http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/orbo-cop.png > > > On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Esa Ruoho wrote: > >> spotted these on the steornoffici

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http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/orbo-cop.png On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Esa Ruoho wrote: > spotted these on the steornofficial flickr site > http://www.flickr.com/photos/steornofficial/4266704511/sizes/o/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/steornofficial/4266693651/sizes/o/ > > also, the talk