(313) Sanderson Dear on Equinox tonite
Just thought I'd mention that fellow 313er Sanderson Dear will be appearing on the show tonite 03/08/00. Equinox - http://www.1groove.com 10pm - 2am EST. You can always catch the show in the archives for 1 week following tonites broadcast. If you feel like giving us a call it's toll free anywhere in North America at 1-877-GROOVE1. Cheers, Gerald.
Re: (313) Ben Sims kicks ass???
Before I get going, I'd like to ask for any recommendations on the best tribal techno records/producers out there right now, things that are deep, dark, and danceable... Also, any heads out there in the Lansing or Mt Pleasant area??? If so email me privately, I'm unfortunately stuck around here, at least during the week, for the next couple of months. Finally, a shameless promo, anyone who would like to hear mixes of my live PA on the web (with all live keyboard playing), I've got different mixes on two sites: http://www.mmmsound.com/CyborgK http://www.mp3.com/CyborgK Now, in response to Shane's post, I'd like to say a couple of things: 1. If the partykids weren't into Carl's set, it's a real shame, but basically as far as I'm concerned it really reflects on their own immaturity and prejudices. I saw that set from on stage and I consider myself very lucky to have witnessed that performance up close. It was BEAUTIFUL music, if the kids can't understand that, does that mean that artists should create music that is less beautiful, less spiritual, easier to digest, so as not to lose contact with the partykids? I don't think that would improve the situation for anybody! 2. I don't think that the Rave Scene is necessarily a great place for techno, although at the same time I do hope that techno DJs continue to infiltrate the rave scene and bring their own sounds to those who will listen--which is exactly why I play parties. There is definitely some great, danceable techno, but techno has had other sides to it than just the dance side, since the beginning. Even sticking with dance music, there is a tradition of parties (private loft parties and such) that aren't necessarily raves, just think about the origins of house and techno in Chicago and Detroit. Techno wasn't created to be rave music, it wasn't created for e-babies who think that happy hardcore is the best and get their vibe spoiled by techno cus it's too dark for them. I love Detroit techno cus it's dark, nasty, sexy, mean, and at the same time has a spiritual, mystical quality; it's a vision of being reborn in the midst of decay. You drive through downtown Detroit at night with some good techno going, and you can feel this. It's heaven and hell at the same time, it's all the bs of real life and the ghetto, but maybe something that transcends all this bs at the same time. Out of the ashes we will rise, we will rise again. Original Message Follows From: Shane from PLURkids [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Ben Sims kicks ass??? Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 10:23:17 PST When Carl Craig performed Paperclip People live for me in December, there were WAY too few people who were into it - and the Paperclip People material is generally much more digestible to the average partykid than much of the music we're talking about here. Just looking for my own education, Shane PLURkids Productions Info 734.913.9672 www.plurkids.com _ ___ o __)) ))_ )) __ __ _ )) ((_( ((_ (( (| ((_) (( (( [EMAIL PROTECTED] Live PA mixes available at: http://www.mmmsound.com/CyborgK http://www.mp3.com/CyborgK __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: (313) Jaguar Mixes
In a message dated 9/03/00 3:47:00 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DJs definitely have the Jaguar mixes, I've heard DJ Bone and Laurent Garnier drop them recently. I don't think it's released yet on vinyl, but it's record # is UR2000... Also heard Masters at Work drop a tune from Jaguar mixes before they played Strings Of Life (nice tribute to D techno influence). Looking forward to this one. Anyone have a projected release date? A_Zed _ Program Co-ordinator, Ambient Zone RTRFM 92.1 Sunday Electronic Listening [http://rtrfm.ii.net] Perth, W.Aust (WST) 23.00-01.00 Detroit (EST) 10.00-12.00 Frankfurt (CET) 16.00-18.00 London(GMT) 15.00-17.00
(313) Jeff Mills In Australia - Mo' Info
Mr Jeff Mills is coming to entertain/enlighten you: JEFF MILLS VENUE TO PLAY THE ART GALLERY : Legendary Detroit techno DJ Jeff Mills has been confirmed to appear in Perth on Friday April 14. In what is set to be a big night for techno fans and electronic music fans alike Jeff Mills will let loose on 3 decks and a 101. And in a huge coup it can be announced that the Venue for this event has been confirmed as 'The Concourse' in The Art Gallery of Western Australia .. a visually spectacular place . this gig is going to be the bomb. Tickets on sale from the following outlets on Monday : Central Station; Complex; Mills Records in Freo.; Atlas Clothing in Leederville and Fremantle; and REDS/Ticketmaster. Also Jeff plays at Home on 12 April. The promoter is saying that he won't be back 'til the end of 2001, so don't miss out. Peace C
Re: (313) t1000 djing?
Awww, shucks, anybody can do that. It's so easy I don't even do it anymore. hmmm, actually the image that i have forever imprinted in my mind whenever i think of alan djing is from energize in dc thanksgiving '99: beats booming through the dc armory... kids going nuts... kenny glasgow and i doing the toronto tech-step, side-by-side, grinning at each other through the sweat... and alan - eyes closed, head back, arms spread - just feeling the music. the crowd was right there with him, it was an amazing moment. wish i knew what track it was. g __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
(313) Inaudible Reminder...
Just a quick note to remind you of tonight's Inaudible Radio/Webcast which will be broadcasting this evening from 9-11 pm Eastern Standard Time. To listen over the internet visit http://www.wcsb.org at 9 pm and click on the Click here for Audioactive Feed link. If you are in the Cleveland area you can tune in by setting your radio to 89.3 fm. Hope you'll all tune in! ---Lance--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] p.o. box 450715 westlake, ohio 44145 united states
Re: (313) t1000 djing?
ooops, that would have been thanksgiving 1998. my bad!!! Awww, shucks, anybody can do that. It's so easy I don't even do it anymore. hmmm, actually the image that i have forever imprinted in my mind whenever i think of alan djing is from energize in dc thanksgiving '99: beats booming through the dc armory... kids going nuts... kenny glasgow and i doing the toronto tech-step, side-by-side, grinning at each other through the sweat... and alan - eyes closed, head back, arms spread - just feeling the music. the crowd was right there with him, it was an amazing moment. wish i knew what track it was. g __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: (313) Ben Sims kicks ass???
Before I get going, I'd like to ask for any recommendations on the best tribal techno records/producers out there right now, things that are deep, dark, and danceable... Oliver Ho, Christian Smith, G-Flame, Joel Mull (his b-sides), Marco Carola, Chris McCormack, The new Hardgroove double-pack, etc. I like the supercompressed European house/techno thing that's happening right now. Detroit is completely finished making good techno aside from Jaguar. I don't think that the Rave Scene is necessarily a great place for techno, although at the same time I do hope that techno DJs continue to infiltrate the rave scene and bring their own sounds to those who will listen--which is exactly why I play parties. The rave scene is what's keeping techno alive in the US, strangely enough. I hardly ever get booked at clubs. All the clubs want to hear is commercial Oakenfold bullshit or Eiffel 65 eurotrash pop (aside from Motor and Science of course *wink*). The funny thing about these candy kids is that they *say* they don't like techno until you light their asses up and rock some shit, then they're all over you...what kind of music is that ??? Then you leave the room and they're right back on that happy hardcore cartoon shit...weird. Just my 02. a.
Re: (313) mills in toronto
While we're on the same topic, look for Axis to be appearing at the Detroit Music Festival in May... Emanuel On Wed, 8 Mar 2000, lil' robbie wrote: ..this event by renegades/daybreaks has been kancelled.. for anyone who was planning on making the drive to toronto for this event i thought it would be a good deed to inform of the cancellation..this is 100% legit..the worst thing about it is that first i get my hopes up(like many of us) for the st.andrews gig that got cancelled and now this..does anyone know if his twilo date(march?) has been confirmed? ..cheers.. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: (313) Tribal Techno/Ben Sims kicks ass???
..as far as tribal goes im really into oliver ho,joel mull and the meta camp..im interested in knowing more on tribal techno myself.. I don't think that the Rave Scene is necessarily a great place for techno, although at the same time I do hope that techno DJs continue to infiltrate the rave scene and bring their own sounds to those who will listen--which is exactly why I play parties ..i honestly dont go to many parties that dont showcase techno..which often ends up with few parties that i want to go to..other than phryl parties http://www.phryl.com i cant say i see many techno dj's at raves much..the last party i was at in detroit had one techno dj there..its definitely not mainstream and i feel that if techno was to become really popular it would have already happened.. ..for some reason the techno heads get dubbed as the techno snobs because its not all happy to most ears and most of us feel very strongly about it..the same way in which the tech-step style of dnb gets dubbed as being liked by the angry junglists out there...techno has connected to any sense of mine or feeling at some point..to group all techno as being angry or dark would be ridiculous.. ..most of the techno i see at club nights similar to motor..this doesnt bother me really but the obscurity of warehouse parties has a warmth in me for sure..why dont more promoters book techno acts anymore..even mills in toronto ,.he was the only techno dj in a room of house and trance...im assuming that there isnt that many promoters that care about techno because it might not bring in the type of revenues..im looking forward to see the turnout of phryl' party in detroit..disconnected which has billy nasty and umek..as well as detroit names.. ..are there alot of techno parties goin on that im not hearing about in detroit cuz most of the stuff i hear about at actual rave parties is largely not techno.. ..cheers.. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: (313) Ben Sims kicks ass???
I like the supercompressed European house/techno thing that's happening right now. hell yes.
(313) Fw: In the beginning....
- Original Message - Dear Javier, RE: this is my house... speech. The only thing I can tell you about the this is Jack track is that it was on a blue label. I don't remember the name of it either. I can't even remember what label it was as it was so long ago that I got rid of the 12. It's probably safe to assume that it was a label that only had 1 or 2 releases [if that many] since I can't recall seeing the label again after that one record. The version of Can You Feel It? that had that speech on it was released on Desire Records [UK] and it wasn't authorized by myself or Robert. If the interested party can track down Desire Records, maybe that record is around somewhere, but I'd really doubt it seeing that it was released over 10 years ago. Sorry I can't offer more information than this. Larry Heard
(313) hart plaza 5/99???
does ANYONE have any info? i know that they're looking for volunteers but... has anyone seen any more since the real detroit article? any fliers, etc? it's fast approaching and the only artist that i've heard confirmed is jeff mills? also, i have saturday 5/27/00 set aside on my calendar as the next 313 list event night... g mailing list http://www.onelist.com/community/detroitscience science office 313-534-7420 science fax 313-534-5155 mobile 313-790-7300 pager 800-200-5176 __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: (313) hart plaza 5/99???
alloi might be interested in being a volunteer.do you have any contact info on this? not me personally. but, i do know that jonnie o @ motor is tight w/ carl and hannah and that they have been asking for volunteers there and signing people up. i just called him and asked for suggestions, and he said that if you want to snail mail this is the po box to send demos to and that any offers of help would also be received: electronic music festival po box 27218 detroit, mi 48227 also, i'll be contacting poop culture media and getting them to come out to science and recruit volunteers so i'll have a more direct link shortly. so, i guess i answered my own question... yes, it's on. take care, linda g __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: (313) hart plaza 5/99???
On Wed, 8 Mar 2000, detroit science wrote: alloi might be interested in being a volunteer.do you have any contact info .734.459.4880 Emanuel
(313) mills
Try reading some in-depth interviews with the man to (try to) understand what is going on in his head good luck. love the music but the 'philosophy' - pass. p
Re: Sv: (313) I Am AfroGermanic!!!
OK I actually got off my ass and checked, and it was UR 47 (Vintage Future) that I was thinking of and it was Mark Taylor not Marc Floyd. That makes more sense. Oh, yeah, Mark Taylor! Now THAT'S a diverse cat! Anybody remember Mark Morrison? Check the credits for Taylor's work. In fact, he's done a lot of tracks for British RB folks in addition to his electro and bass tracks, amongst other stylings. Hell, if we're talking about Marks, anyone remember Marc Pharaoh? Donnie Marks? In fact, I'm thinking about starting a Michigan Marks webpage. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: (313) Tribal Techno/Ben Sims kicks ass???
Come to Los Angeles where most of the raving population can't tell techno from the whole in their ass. Misstress, Cari, Adam, come save us please!!! __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: (313) Jaguar Mixes
did anyone hear the francois k remix? i remember hearing about him dropping it at Body Soul last summer, but did it/will it ever surface and what does it sound like? kuri DJs definitely have the Jaguar mixes, I've heard DJ Bone and Laurent Garnier drop them recently. I don't think it's released yet on vinyl, but it's record # is UR2000... Also heard Masters at Work drop a tune from Jaguar mixes before they played Strings Of Life (nice tribute to D techno influence). Looking forward to this one. Anyone have a projected release date? A_Zed _ Program Co-ordinator, Ambient Zone RTRFM 92.1 Sunday Electronic Listening [http://rtrfm.ii.net] Perth, W.Aust (WST) 23.00-01.00 Detroit (EST) 10.00-12.00 Frankfurt (CET) 16.00-18.00 London(GMT) 15.00-17.00 -- Kuri Kondrak Resonance Magazine
(313) latechno
It's not just a job, It's a lifestyle... http://www.calendarlive.com/music/2305/t21603.html Come to Los Angeles where most of the raving population can't tell techno from the whole in their ass. Misstress, Cari, Adam, come save us please!!! now cracklin' : Autopoieses - Live A Noir, J. E. v. F-B. B.
Re: (313) latechno
http://www.calendarlive.com/music/2305/t21603.html that article is quite funnyi dont know if this attitude is isolated to LA though... Part of the appeal of deejaying is that it requires little, if any, musical talent. All you need, as Beck once sang, is two turntables. oh thats why its popular... Tim Woolworth, a salesman at Hollywood's Guitar Center, said he often sells the kits to kids as young as 7 and 8. They see their friends [deejaying]. They see it on MTV. They see it everywhere, said Woolworth. Deejays are becoming, for lack of a better term, rock stars, thats quite the article...anyone else read it? __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
(313) retro techno
anyone know where i can score CD copies of 'retro techno: detroit definitive' or the 2 cd 10 records detroit comps 'new dance sound of detroit' and 'techno 2'? thanx or swap vinyl for... p
(313) 3/8/2k Inaudible Radio/Webcast Setlist...
3/8/2k Inaudible Radio/Webcast Setlist... 9-10 pm by lance... . Tom Steinle: summer dsp a (Tom) . Minit: bootleg (Tonschacht) . The Church Steps: rr 1999 a ()Dial) . Pulse Programming: line (Aesthetic) . Ihan: sans titre a3 (Mille Plateaux) . Pulse Programming: light (Aesthetics) . Dettinger: intershop #2 (Kompakt) . Gas: pop #5 (Mille Plateaux) . Dettinger: intershop #3 (Kompakt) . Mesmer: resolution mix/excerpt (Ash International) . Lithops: sequenced twinset (Sonig) . Process: shape mod b (Fat Cat) . Scanner: flaneur electronique (Sub Rosa) . Senking: movies (Karaoke Kalk) . Scaner: brittle (Sub Rosa) . Senking: score (Karaoke Kalk) . Zammuto: ballroom carpet (Apartment B) . Tone Rec: hi pie (Quartermass) . Zammuto: swap [a, b] (Apartment B) 10-11 pm by john c... . Mahoning: audio semantics #19 (11th Eye) . Peter F. Spiess: malfunction (Klang Elektronik) . Die Sterne: das disschen bessus/herbert's underarm dub (L'Ager D'or) . Gramm: type zwei (Source) . Reinhard Voigt: sex mit m mayer (Kompakt) . Gas: klang (Profan) . MRI: autiopilot (Force Tracks) . Mahoning: audio semantics #7 (11th Eye) . Mahoning: audio semantics #8 (11th Eye) . Kit Clayton: pattern matching (Background) . Invasion Series: vol 1 a (Invasion Series) . Mahoning: audio semantics #11 (11th Eye) . Diego: strategy of balance (Kanzleramt) . Asem Shauna: risky life b1 (Utils) . Paul Langley: mistic (Knee Deep) . Stewart Walker: the young atheist (Force Inc) Thanks to everyone who tuned in. See you next week same time url or place on the dial. ---Lance--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] p.o. box 450715 westlake, ohio 44145 united states
(313) latechno
HEYLA IS GONNA BE GETTING CHRISTIAN SMITH AND TREVOR ROCKLIFFE AT CLUB GIANT...oh yeahand carl cox too haha. but who cares bout him anyway. does anybody know if rockliffe is as good a dj as producer? i know smith talks the talk and walks the walk. for all you cali techno heads though, keep an eye out for gonz developer and daniel. they'll be playin some shitty psytrance party in late marchbut damn they always fuck it up clean with turntablism and deep tribal tech. peace out and keep it realunderground vidal for those who know __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
(313) Re: Sen Bims flicks ass???
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hear ya, but Ben Sims is a good producer too. Being a good dj AND a good producer is kinda rare but increasingly important if you want to be recognised. Yeah looping old tracks is difficult. (sarcasm) Jeff Mills gets a lot of respect for his production though I don't think it's all that great. You fucking idiot! Sorry, Your joking right? Ah man, I don't know what to say to this, what do you say to this? Maybe Jeff Mills used to be good but I feel he's surpassed by the likes of Claude Young. Oh man your value. stop it please I can't laugh anymore. Jeff's too busy messing about making so called experimental tunes when he should be knocking dancefloor tunes together. I won't go on slating you anymore, I think Tom, Joseph and Alan ripped you up on this comment. How far must we keep 'pushing the boundaries'? We'll never stop! Dj Pacific:) ??? Laters, WorkZ talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com No one ripped me up on anything. You obviously don't know what the f*ck you're on about because all you could do was diss but you didn't come up with a decent argument anywhere in that entry. If you care to read my follow up entries and other ppl's views on the subject of quality tunes you may understand. Then again, you may not. I can't understand why ppl are getting so uptight about the whole thing. I'm simply expressing my views. Not trying to cause a childish argument. I'm not the only person who feels the way I do. Cheers, Dj Pacific:) __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
(313) Nes Simb kcaks iss (Used to be 'Ben Sims kicks ass')
I think you are right Nick. This whole issue has become a bit silly. As the ancient Romans said: 'You can't argue about taste!' I believe the e-mails back and forth about Ben and Jeff have gotten a little out of hand. Everybody has a right to his/her own opinion, but if you start dissing people you better come up with some decent arguments. John -Original Message- From: Nick Walsh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 11:57 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Re: Sen Bims flicks ass??? --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hear ya, but Ben Sims is a good producer too. Being a good dj AND a good producer is kinda rare but increasingly important if you want to be recognised. Yeah looping old tracks is difficult. (sarcasm) Jeff Mills gets a lot of respect for his production though I don't think it's all that great. You fucking idiot! Sorry, Your joking right? Ah man, I don't know what to say to this, what do you say to this? Maybe Jeff Mills used to be good but I feel he's surpassed by the likes of Claude Young. Oh man your value. stop it please I can't laugh anymore. Jeff's too busy messing about making so called experimental tunes when he should be knocking dancefloor tunes together. I won't go on slating you anymore, I think Tom, Joseph and Alan ripped you up on this comment. How far must we keep 'pushing the boundaries'? We'll never stop! Dj Pacific:) ??? Laters, WorkZ talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com No one ripped me up on anything. You obviously don't know what the f*ck you're on about because all you could do was diss but you didn't come up with a decent argument anywhere in that entry. If you care to read my follow up entries and other ppl's views on the subject of quality tunes you may understand. Then again, you may not. I can't understand why ppl are getting so uptight about the whole thing. I'm simply expressing my views. Not trying to cause a childish argument. I'm not the only person who feels the way I do. Cheers, Dj Pacific:) __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
(313) tribal techno
Cyborg K asks:- I'd like to ask for any recommendations on the best tribal techno records/producers out there right now, things that are deep, dark, and danceable. Always difficult to be sure you have a common understanding of other peoples terms but may I recommend the following. Samuel L Sessions (particulary on Cycle 4-7[swe]). This guy is blowing up massive atm. G-Man (Varley) particular with Marco Carola on the mix. Stanny Franssen (particularly as G-Force) Q-Men (Cerrone) particularly on RILIS. UMEK (particularly on tortured CLS) All the above meets your criteria as I read it. The post purposemaker busy, clattering, poly-rythmic with something (usually more than one) right across the frequency spectrum was big last year. On a more laid back houseTech tip try Marco Carola, particularly on Question stuff on Tronic (swe). For something similar but more fiery and urgent try Geatek particularly on his ART label, Adam Beyer recent offering (no really) on Geateks Conform label, stuff on Design. There is also an American guy on a similar style, maybe a bit harder and abrasive, Fanon Flowers. His winter in Kalamazoo on Sonic Mind last year was a revelation. Mills has also dug out some wonderful thundering gear in France last month. St Val Urban Bushmen remixes spring to mind. btw the latest thing to catch peoples ears now the deep and dark tribal purcussive loops have become (over) common is a style of Latin or samba techno. Works exceptionally well on the 'floor. Still looking for the source of this .. Hope that helps. E Fox uve I __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: (313) Tribal Techno/Ben Sims kicks ass???
its definitely not mainstream and i feel that if techno was to become really popular it would have already happened.. Well your right, it did sorta happen back in the early 90's, next time your in NY ask Frainky Bones about Storm Rave. Of course a lot has changed since then but I'm not ashamed of my raver past, those were fun times.. ..for some reason the techno heads get dubbed as the techno snobs Really? you wouldn't know that from reading the 313 list. take it easy, stephen.
Re: (313) Double Decking
WorkZ i picked up bluespirit 2 recently. If you haven't got 'The Divide' you are missing out! If you mean the James Ruskin cut, that was actually on Blueprint (on the Further Design LP and also a 12 I think?)... Dug out Bluespirit 2 today after Martin mentioned it and found something I'd never noticed - how's this for trainspotting - the middle fill track on Bluespirit 2 is made from a sample of Oasis' 'Wonderwall'. Listen carefully and you'll hear Noel singing 'I know, you've heard it all before' looped through some serious echo... :) Tom :::: tom churchill : : headspace recordings : : http://www.headspacerecordings.co.uk : ::: e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ::: ::: t: 07976 898514
Re: (313) tribal techno
Cyborg K asked:- I'd like to ask for any recommendations on the best tribal techno records/producers out there right now, things that are deep, dark, and danceable. And the Fox replied; Always difficult to be sure you have a common understanding of other peoples terms Have to agree with that, Can I recommend FLR - Easy Filters parts 1-2 on reel, one of my personal favourites, it makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand on end. sImon __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: (313) Jaguar Mixes
Kuri: did anyone hear the francois k remix? i remember hearing about him dropping it at Body Soul last summer, but did it/will it ever surface and what does it sound like? I'm not convinced there ever was an actual 'remix' as such - when I was at Body Soul in August 'Jaguar' was certainly played but it sounded to me like the original. They tend to mutate tracks there quite heavily with FX and EQ and extend things with two copies etc. so it may have sounded quite different. Or maybe Francois did a re-edit to use at the club, I'm not sure... :::: tom churchill : : headspace recordings : : http://www.headspacerecordings.co.uk : ::: e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ::: ::: t: 07976 898514
Re: (313) Jaguar Mixes
Tom Churchill wrote: Kuri: did anyone hear the francois k remix? i remember hearing about him dropping it at Body Soul last summer, but did it/will it ever surface and what does it sound like? I'm not convinced there ever was an actual 'remix' as such - when I was at Body Soul in August 'Jaguar' was certainly played but it sounded to me like the original. They tend to mutate tracks there quite heavily with FX and EQ and extend things with two copies etc. so it may have sounded quite different. Or maybe Francois did a re-edit to use at the club, I'm not sure... I heard a rumour that he did a remix for personal use, but I think the FX/EQ explanation is a more likely one. I've heard several tracks that I know fairly well being transformed at BS into something that sounded quite different from the original (even up to the point where I failed to spot Aril Brikha - Groove la chord as TomC can testify :) ). Which can sometimes be a bit of a bummer if you've managed to hunt down a track only to find out that it's nowhere near as good as the version you heard in the club, as I found out with FK - Hypnodelic :( Otto
Re: (313) new mixes was re: jaguar
exactly. another thing is with DJs who use a lot of acapellas (Terrence Parker, Louie Vega, etc). they'll lay an acapella over an instrumental and have some people thinking that what they are hearing (A an instrumental plus B an acapella laid over it) is C: a new record. this happens all the time with Vega, as people on the HOuse 2000 list will testify. plenty of what was that track Vega played with the vocal that goes... and then a few days later someone will figure out oh yeah, that was the acapella from song X, he must have been playing it over something else cos I know there aren't new versions of it out, but he did it so well, i was *sure* it was a new version. TP told me in one of the interviews I did with him that trainspotters have asked him about records he created on the spot (with acapellas over instrumentals) and even bugged record stores for them (ie they're asking for records that don't exist!) because they hear a mix he's done and don't realize it's a creation of his, and not a new record. seeing tp here in halifax last year, i can see why this happens. andrew duke :) Otto Koppius wrote: Tom Churchill wrote: Kuri: did anyone hear the francois k remix? i remember hearing about him dropping it at Body Soul last summer, but did it/will it ever surface and what does it sound like? I'm not convinced there ever was an actual 'remix' as such - when I was at Body Soul in August 'Jaguar' was certainly played but it sounded to me like the original. They tend to mutate tracks there quite heavily with FX and EQ and extend things with two copies etc. so it may have sounded quite different. Or maybe Francois did a re-edit to use at the club, I'm not sure... I heard a rumour that he did a remix for personal use, but I think the FX/EQ explanation is a more likely one. I've heard several tracks that I know fairly well being transformed at BS into something that sounded quite different from the original (even up to the point where I failed to spot Aril Brikha - Groove la chord as TomC can testify :) ). Which can sometimes be a bit of a bummer if you've managed to hunt down a track only to find out that it's nowhere near as good as the version you heard in the club, as I found out with FK - Hypnodelic :( Otto -- Cognition/Andrew Duke's In The Mix mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://techno.ca/cognition 1096 Queen St #123 Halifax NS Canada B3H 2R9
Re: (313) house mailing lists
Andrew Duke wrote: as people on the HOuse 2000 list will testify. Okay, now I've lost track completely of how many house lists there are, what they focus on, what the traffic volume and quality is. Can somebody provide an overview? I think Chicago is -unofficially- covered pretty well by 313, so I'm particularly interested in those focusing on NY style house, ala Soulfuric, Wave, Spiritual Life, Ibadan, Nite Grooves etc. Cheers, Otto
Re: (313) Ben Sims kicks ass???
In a message dated 3/8/00 6:06:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Detroit is completely finished making good techno aside from Jaguar. Would you care to explain?? Techno in detroit seems as alive as ever and by no means finished..
Re: (313) Jaguar Mixes
Kuri: did anyone hear the francois k remix? i remember hearing about him dropping it at Body Soul last summer, but did it/will it ever surface and what does it sound like? Tom: I'm not convinced there ever was an actual 'remix' as such - when I was at Body Soul in August 'Jaguar' was certainly played but it sounded to me like the original. They tend to mutate tracks there quite heavily with FX and EQ and extend things with two copies etc. so it may have sounded quite different. Or maybe Francois did a re-edit to use at the club, I'm not sure... I heard it at Body Soul on Halloween weekend, and i'm pretty sure it was the original... i agree that it can sometimes be hard to tell with the melange of sounds you hear there... god i love that place... it's one of the few things that makes me really want to move to NY... peace, holly
(313) MUMTAZ?
Currently seeking info on a dj calling himself MUMTAZ. He has got quite a little buzz going around these parts based of a recent performance of his. Apparently this guy has got MAD SKILLS. Cutting, doubles, speedy gonzalez on the techno tip, and SMOOTH. or so I hear. people are saying some pretty superlative sh*t about this guy out here in Mid Michigan. Whaddya know? J. -- Knecht
Re: (313) Ben Sims kicks ass???
Hello. On 8 Mar 00, at 21:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: now. Detroit is completely finished making good techno aside from Jaguar. ??? What's with this blanket statement? Do you really believe this? Aren't you from Detroit, anyway? I immensely respect your work and the work of artists from elsewhere than detroit, but... this comment blows my mind! Even if this -is- your opinion (something I really find hard to believe), a lot of people on this list don't think so and that's why we're all here right? Dave __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: (313) latechno
well its informative-to some thirty something yuppie in the burbs who has no clue. But it is kinda entertaining how the writer takes on this identity like they have discovered something, like the lost caveman. I like how the writer highlighted mostly female djs though ;) diana From: lil' robbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) latechno Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 00:34:48 EST http://www.calendarlive.com/music/2305/t21603.html that article is quite funnyi dont know if this attitude is isolated to LA though... Part of the appeal of deejaying is that it requires little, if any, musical talent. All you need, as Beck once sang, is two turntables. oh thats why its popular... Tim Woolworth, a salesman at Hollywood's Guitar Center, said he often sells the kits to kids as young as 7 and 8. They see their friends [deejaying]. They see it on MTV. They see it everywhere, said Woolworth. Deejays are becoming, for lack of a better term, rock stars, thats quite the article...anyone else read it? __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: (313) MUMTAZ?
yes, he is very good. you can hear a mix from Mumtaz (E-Legal Underground/ Nomenclature/Chicago) on Andrew Duke's In The Mix show 581 on Cognition: http://techno.ca/cognition hope this helps. andrew duke :) Joseph Ross Lynn IV wrote: Currently seeking info on a dj calling himself MUMTAZ. He has got quite a little buzz going around these parts based of a recent performance of his. Apparently this guy has got MAD SKILLS. Cutting, doubles, speedy gonzalez on the techno tip, and SMOOTH. or so I hear. people are saying some pretty superlative sh*t about this guy out here in Mid Michigan. Whaddya know? J. -- Knecht -- Cognition/Andrew Duke's In The Mix mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://techno.ca/cognition 1096 Queen St #123 Halifax NS Canada B3H 2R9
Re: (313) MUMTAZ?
Check out this website: http://www.zoom.es/~mixtapes/music.html#mumtaz Two real-audio sets from him + some info (in Spanish), he's from Chicago that's all i know hope this helps (a bit;) Martijn
Re: (313) MUMTAZ?
and you can find more info on mumtaz himself at http://mumtaz500.homestead.com/ (hes subbed to this list, i think) ___ ____ ___ ___ ___ (_- / _ \ / // __// -_)/ -_)/ -_) /___// .__//_/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ /_/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ.4627247.a.segunda.de.uma.serie.19 www.potentialvalleys.com/people/spiceee/ | yes, he is very good. you can hear a mix from | Mumtaz (E-Legal Underground/ Nomenclature/Chicago) | on Andrew Duke's In The Mix show 581 on Cognition: | http://techno.ca/cognition | hope this helps. andrew duke :) |
Re: (313) Ben Sims kicks ass???
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/8/00 6:06:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Detroit is completely finished making good techno aside from Jaguar. Would you care to explain?? Techno in detroit seems as alive as ever and by no means finished.. It very much depends what you mean by techno. I agree with Alan, most good techno is coming from elsewhere these days. I find myself playing more and more European stuff out, which was definitely never the case before. Having said that, there are still great records coming out of Detroit; its just that aside from Jaguar they're not Techno as such. KDJ, TP, etc are all still putting out great house records, there's some great electro, or high tech funk or whatever coming from UR and the Planet E output is all superb, but increasingly less dancefloor based. So, to throw it back, what good techno records have come out of Detroit in the last 12 months aside from Jaguar? Sean.
Re: (313) DJs DJs DJs! :)
personally, i see it like this: there are those who dj because they love the music and want to share it. some have the skills, some don't but are trying. in the end, they're sharing the love for the music. then there are others who buy into the dj as rock star culture and get into DJing, not because they want to share their love for the music, but for a variety of *other* reasons. yes, we always need new djs coming up, but we also have to have new djs coming up that are djing for the right reasons. i can remember back in 1987 when the dj was the last thing anyone would want to be; you were lower than the bartender and had drunks screaming at ya for this and that; could get beaten up for playing a song people didn't like; there were no flyers with your name in big letters, etc, etc, etc; nowadays, though, with the way dj culture has grown, kids don't know about the history of the dj, haven't worked their way up and gained experience via weddings, parties for friends, school, radio, etc, etc. they go out, buy two technics 1200s and a mixer, buy the top records they see in the mags, hook up with a promoter friend, get a booking, and suddenly they're a DJ! now i'm not saying all new djs are like that (thankfully, there are always some new people to the scene who have love in their hearts for the music), but i've personally seen it happen more and more frequently, and i'm sure many would agree. check the interviews with terrence parker, alan oldham, john acquaviva, and others who've *paid their dues* to be where they are in today's dj scene (cognition: http://techno.ca/cognition) and there's a commentary about this on the same site. yes, we need new djs, but it would be best for them to take it a bit slower, not suddenly get obsessed with this be a DJ! be a DJ! thing. personally, i've seen at least 3 or 4 young kids here in halifax spend tons of $ on tables, mixer and records, and then a couple of months later they've sold it all and are very disillusioned. though i don't know what all of the reasons are for them (personally ie for each of them), i *do* know from observation that they get a gig via a promoter friend and then you never see them booked again. why? well, a) there are so many kids desperate to be a dj!!! and, at least here in halifax, they're almost beating each other up and crawling over each other to get gigs, and b) they just haven't laid the proper foundation; they think that if they buy the gear and the records, they are almost *owed* gigs now, as if that's all there is to it. (an i've had most of these kids on my local radio show to try and help them out, see what they're up to, etc, but, though some are skilled, the majority are just jumping into the DJ DJ DJ thing too soon; they haven't practiced, have to write their set down on a piece of paper, have everything planned to the max, etc, etc ie the urge to be a dj has thrown them into it, er, they're thrown themselves into it, so fast and so *too early* that they're just *not ready*; some of them go on to get gigs and skills, but most you never hear from again; if they took the time to set the stage, they might be still doing it, but rushing into it thinking they'll be stars the day after tomorrow, hurts their self esteem and wastes their $ and effort) but talk to parker, oldham, acquaviva et al and these guys (there's girls too, of course) spent many many nights practicing at home, doing radio, playing for small parties, etc, etc; they didn't just suddenly become big dj names that people know, it took years to get where they are. but the kids staring out (againn, not *all* of them, but many) don't understand that it's not like you wake up one day with the $ to buy the gear and the next day you'll be on flyers every week. ok, enough rant from me. AND it wasn't Beck who sang two turntables and a microphone, that was a sample from Mantronix' Needle To The Groove! np terrence dixon--from the far future (dm tresor) it's out later this month and damn awesome. i'll have it online in full in RA soon. Diana Potts wrote: well its informative-to some thirty something yuppie in the burbs who has no clue. But it is kinda entertaining how the writer takes on this identity like they have discovered something, like the lost caveman. I like how the writer highlighted mostly female djs though ;) diana From: lil' robbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) latechno Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 00:34:48 EST http://www.calendarlive.com/music/2305/t21603.html that article is quite funnyi dont know if this attitude is isolated to LA though... Part of the appeal of deejaying is that it requires little, if any, musical talent. All you need, as Beck once sang, is two turntables. oh thats why its popular... Tim Woolworth, a salesman at Hollywood's Guitar Center, said he often sells the kits to kids as young as 7 and 8. They see their friends [deejaying]. They see it on MTV. They see it everywhere, said
Re: (313) DJs DJs DJs! :)
i hear ya... the flashbacks are now: really bad house parties in basements. people making the ugliest requests, thinkin you've got everything ever released on the planet in the booth with ya. OH THE MEMORIES... someone get me a shooter please. ;) sanderson. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Duke) Reply-To: Andrew Duke Cognition/In The Mix [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Diana Potts [EMAIL PROTECTED], ...313 list 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) DJs DJs DJs! :) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 10:44:52 -0400 personally, i see it like this: there are those who dj because they love the music and want to share it. some have the skills, some don't but are trying. in the end, they're sharing the love for the music. then there are others who buy into the dj as rock star culture and get into DJing, not because they want to share their love for the music, but for a variety of *other* reasons. yes, we always need new djs coming up, but we also have to have new djs coming up that are djing for the right reasons. i can remember back in 1987 when the dj was the last thing anyone would want to be; you were lower than the bartender and had drunks screaming at ya for this and that; could get beaten up for playing a song people didn't like; there were no flyers with your name in big letters, etc, etc, etc; nowadays, though, with the way dj culture has grown, kids don't know about the history of the dj, haven't worked their way up and gained experience via weddings, parties for friends, school, radio, etc, etc. they go out, buy two technics 1200s and a mixer, buy the top records they see in the mags, hook up with a promoter friend, get a booking, and suddenly they're a DJ! now i'm not saying all new djs are like that (thankfully, there are always some new people to the scene who have love in their hearts for the music), but i've personally seen it happen more and more frequently, and i'm sure many would agree. check the interviews with terrence parker, alan oldham, john acquaviva, and others who've *paid their dues* to be where they are in today's dj scene (cognition: http://techno.ca/cognition) and there's a commentary about this on the same site. yes, we need new djs, but it would be best for them to take it a bit slower, not suddenly get obsessed with this be a DJ! be a DJ! thing. personally, i've seen at least 3 or 4 young kids here in halifax spend tons of $ on tables, mixer and records, and then a couple of months later they've sold it all and are very disillusioned. though i don't know what all of the reasons are for them (personally ie for each of them), i *do* know from observation that they get a gig via a promoter friend and then you never see them booked again. why? well, a) there are so many kids desperate to be a dj!!! and, at least here in halifax, they're almost beating each other up and crawling over each other to get gigs, and b) they just haven't laid the proper foundation; they think that if they buy the gear and the records, they are almost *owed* gigs now, as if that's all there is to it. (an i've had most of these kids on my local radio show to try and help them out, see what they're up to, etc, but, though some are skilled, the majority are just jumping into the DJ DJ DJ thing too soon; they haven't practiced, have to write their set down on a piece of paper, have everything planned to the max, etc, etc ie the urge to be a dj has thrown them into it, er, they're thrown themselves into it, so fast and so *too early* that they're just *not ready*; some of them go on to get gigs and skills, but most you never hear from again; if they took the time to set the stage, they might be still doing it, but rushing into it thinking they'll be stars the day after tomorrow, hurts their self esteem and wastes their $ and effort) but talk to parker, oldham, acquaviva et al and these guys (there's girls too, of course) spent many many nights practicing at home, doing radio, playing for small parties, etc, etc; they didn't just suddenly become big dj names that people know, it took years to get where they are. but the kids staring out (againn, not *all* of them, but many) don't understand that it's not like you wake up one day with the $ to buy the gear and the next day you'll be on flyers every week. ok, enough rant from me. AND it wasn't Beck who sang two turntables and a microphone, that was a sample from Mantronix' Needle To The Groove! np terrence dixon--from the far future (dm tresor) it's out later this month and damn awesome. i'll have it online in full in RA soon. Diana Potts wrote: well its informative-to some thirty something yuppie in the burbs who has no clue. But it is kinda entertaining how the writer takes on this identity like they have discovered something, like the lost caveman. I like how the writer highlighted mostly female djs though ;) diana From: lil' robbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) latechno Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 00:34:48 EST
(313) G-Man (C.Izzo)
I've recently picked up the Beautiful LP from G-Man and I'm wondering who C. Izzo is? He mixed the Enforcer track from the album. Thanks. L8r. Mike
Re: (313) Detrechno/Scott Grooves
All I know and can say is that every time I have gotten something Detrechno/Hydraulic related, it has been from mr. Patrick Scott. I don't know if Charles even exists. In a message dated 3/8/00 7:54:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Cornelius or Disco D should know this .
Re: (313) Jaguar Mixes
Otto: I heard a rumour that he did a remix for personal use, but I think the FX/EQ explanation is a more likely one. I've heard several tracks that I know fairly well being transformed at BS into something that sounded quite different from the original (even up to the point where I failed to spot Aril Brikha - Groove la chord as TomC can testify :) ). Which can sometimes be a bit of a bummer if you've managed to hunt down a track only to find out that it's nowhere near as good as the version you heard in the club, as I found out with FK - Hypnodelic :( No way! 'Hypnodelic' is one of my favourite house records of all time - it's amazing! They must have made it sound *unbelievable* if you think the original's no good... :::: tom churchill : : headspace recordings : : http://www.headspacerecordings.co.uk : ::: e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ::: ::: t: 07976 898514
Re: (313) Jaguar Mixes
Tom Churchill wrote: No way! 'Hypnodelic' is one of my favourite house records of all time - it's amazing! They must have made it sound *unbelievable* if you think the original's no good... Unbelievable it is then :) (James, help me here!) The original *is* a good track though, I actually had it already before I heard it at BodySoul, it's just that when I dug it out again, it didn't nearly sound like I remembered it. Then I thought it was one of the remixes that got played, picked those up, but no luck either. I actually have that happen a lot to me: spotting tracks only to find out that I already have them. Any takers for my trainspotters' badge? :) Cheers, Otto Ob313: the first release on Final Frontier (a new label by Marco Passarani) is well worth checking out, there's a really good electro track on there, plus a downtempo track that is guaranteed to make you smile in its silliness.
Re: (313) tribal techno
Yeah, Fanon's cool, actually I'm from Kalamazoo and I love our homegrown Kzoo techno. Even though many (most) in Kalamazoo don't know it exists! Actually, I'm really f*cking mad right now cus one of my friends has my Fanon records my Sonic Mind records and two of my Black Nation records, oh, along with Punisher, Stacey Pullen, etc... So I'm missing half of my Kzoo records and since I'm still poor I'm quite upset--I haven't yet determined if it was intentional or just an accident though. Oh well, I'm much better with my live PA then mixing records anyway... *shrug* Peace, Dave Original Message Follows From: urban fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 list 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) tribal techno Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 03:18:03 -0800 (PST) There is also an American guy on a similar style, maybe a bit harder and abrasive, Fanon Flowers. His winter in Kalamazoo on Sonic Mind last year was a revelation. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Live PA mixes available at: http://www.mmmsound.com/CyborgK http://www.mp3.com/CyborgK __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
RE: (313) tribal techno/Kalamazoo
Hi there (Haider?)Cyborg K, Nice to hear from somebody from Kalamazoo. I recently interviewed Jay Denham. Jay is such a nice guy and he has got interesting things to say. I'm really wondering what Kalamazoo is like. If all goes well I will be visiting Detroit and Chicago in May around the time of Carl Craig's festival. Maybe we'll stop in Kalamazoo on our way to Chicago. Any interesting stuff going on back there? John -Original Message- From: Cyborg K [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 4:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) tribal techno Yeah, Fanon's cool, actually I'm from Kalamazoo and I love our homegrown Kzoo techno. Even though many (most) in Kalamazoo don't know it exists! Actually, I'm really f*cking mad right now cus one of my friends has my Fanon records my Sonic Mind records and two of my Black Nation records, oh, along with Punisher, Stacey Pullen, etc... So I'm missing half of my Kzoo records and since I'm still poor I'm quite upset--I haven't yet determined if it was intentional or just an accident though. Oh well, I'm much better with my live PA then mixing records anyway... *shrug* Peace, Dave Original Message Follows From: urban fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 list 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) tribal techno Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 03:18:03 -0800 (PST) There is also an American guy on a similar style, maybe a bit harder and abrasive, Fanon Flowers. His winter in Kalamazoo on Sonic Mind last year was a revelation. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Live PA mixes available at: http://www.mmmsound.com/CyborgK http://www.mp3.com/CyborgK __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: (313) DJs DJs DJs! :)
Speaking of ugly memories (which are still fresh as I'm still paying my dues!) I remember on several occasions this past summer and fall playing LIVE PAs at house parties or small venues, and I'm playing live keyboards right in front of people's faces with not a turntable in sight, and people keep coming up and asking me to play records for them (and bad top 40 records at that)! When I'm playing live right in front of them, I mean whassup with that?! And then I get done and people tell me what I nice job spinning I did... Weird. --cyborg Original Message Follows From: Sanderson Dear [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) DJs DJs DJs! :) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 14:52:38 GMT i hear ya... the flashbacks are now: really bad house parties in basements. people making the ugliest requests, thinkin you've got everything ever released on the planet in the booth with ya. OH THE MEMORIES... someone get me a shooter please. ;) sanderson. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Duke) Reply-To: Andrew Duke Cognition/In The Mix [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Diana Potts [EMAIL PROTECTED], ...313 list 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) DJs DJs DJs! :) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 10:44:52 -0400 personally, i see it like this: there are those who dj because they love the music and want to share it. some have the skills, some don't but are trying. in the end, they're sharing the love for the music. then there are others who buy into the dj as rock star culture and get into DJing, not because they want to share their love for the music, but for a variety of *other* reasons. yes, we always need new djs coming up, but we also have to have new djs coming up that are djing for the right reasons. i can remember back in 1987 when the dj was the last thing anyone would want to be; you were lower than the bartender and had drunks screaming at ya for this and that; could get beaten up for playing a song people didn't like; there were no flyers with your name in big letters, etc, etc, etc; nowadays, though, with the way dj culture has grown, kids don't know about the history of the dj, haven't worked their way up and gained experience via weddings, parties for friends, school, radio, etc, etc. they go out, buy two technics 1200s and a mixer, buy the top records they see in the mags, hook up with a promoter friend, get a booking, and suddenly they're a DJ! now i'm not saying all new djs are like that (thankfully, there are always some new people to the scene who have love in their hearts for the music), but i've personally seen it happen more and more frequently, and i'm sure many would agree. check the interviews with terrence parker, alan oldham, john acquaviva, and others who've *paid their dues* to be where they are in today's dj scene (cognition: http://techno.ca/cognition) and there's a commentary about this on the same site. yes, we need new djs, but it would be best for them to take it a bit slower, not suddenly get obsessed with this be a DJ! be a DJ! thing. personally, i've seen at least 3 or 4 young kids here in halifax spend tons of $ on tables, mixer and records, and then a couple of months later they've sold it all and are very disillusioned. though i don't know what all of the reasons are for them (personally ie for each of them), i *do* know from observation that they get a gig via a promoter friend and then you never see them booked again. why? well, a) there are so many kids desperate to be a dj!!! and, at least here in halifax, they're almost beating each other up and crawling over each other to get gigs, and b) they just haven't laid the proper foundation; they think that if they buy the gear and the records, they are almost *owed* gigs now, as if that's all there is to it. (an i've had most of these kids on my local radio show to try and help them out, see what they're up to, etc, but, though some are skilled, the majority are just jumping into the DJ DJ DJ thing too soon; they haven't practiced, have to write their set down on a piece of paper, have everything planned to the max, etc, etc ie the urge to be a dj has thrown them into it, er, they're thrown themselves into it, so fast and so *too early* that they're just *not ready*; some of them go on to get gigs and skills, but most you never hear from again; if they took the time to set the stage, they might be still doing it, but rushing into it thinking they'll be stars the day after tomorrow, hurts their self esteem and wastes their $ and effort) but talk to parker, oldham, acquaviva et al and these guys (there's girls too, of course) spent many many nights practicing at home, doing radio, playing for small parties, etc, etc; they didn't just suddenly become big dj names that people know, it took years to get where they are. but the kids staring out (againn, not *all* of them, but many) don't understand that it's not like you wake up one day with the $ to buy the gear and the next day you'll be on flyers every week.
Re: (313) live PAs Live PAs :)
Live PAs can be like that. 2 of my live PA memories: a gig where a drunk guy kept jumping in front of the keyboards and screaming at me play some beats! play some beats! (and i intended on bringing in some beats, i just wasn't working on his schedule :)) and a different gig, where, like yours, some people didn't get that i was doing a live PA with gear and not spinning records. at one point during my PA, two women were just about to, literally sit down on one of my keyboards that was right beside me on a table. i had to turn and say um, i'm trying to do a live set here and you can't sit down on my gear, thanks very much. andrew duke :) Cyborg K wrote: Speaking of ugly memories (which are still fresh as I'm still paying my dues!) I remember on several occasions this past summer and fall playing LIVE PAs at house parties or small venues, and I'm playing live keyboards right in front of people's faces with not a turntable in sight, and people keep coming up and asking me to play records for them (and bad top 40 records at that)! When I'm playing live right in front of them, I mean whassup with that?! And then I get done and people tell me what I nice job spinning I did... Weird. --cyborg
Re: (313) DJs DJs DJs! :)
I completely agree with what's being said here. I'm only 19. Only got my own decks last November (previously I used a friend's) but I've always loved music. I used to like jungle but I've always moved around styles. Basically, I look for styles that haven't been adulterated by the mainstream. I've been from hardcore when I was 13 through jsut about every dance genre. I'm sticking to detroit now though. All the things I like about music are the essence of detroit. It creates an atmosphere unlike that of any other music I have come across... It seems mainstream music today is like processed food. Sh*t goes in, sh*t comes out but it's all nicely packaged so the kids buy it. When my parents were kids, they could go into the record shop and pick up something from the top forty and it'd be a good tune. Number one in the chart was worthy of that position. In forty years time, I won't be remembering Brittany Spears. Westlife and nostalgia will not be in used together in the same sentence. Now trance is what the kids buy around here, but these kids do it for fame and friends and 'cause it's cool. Ask 'em it's origins they won't have a clue. I don't think going out and buying all the top tunes is the way to go if you want to be successful or if you love music or if you want to be taken seriously. As far as I'm concerned, I didn't start djing because I wanted to be popular. In fact the prospect of djing in a club had me sh*tting bricks. I love music though, I wanted to produce my own tunes but equipment was costly and decks seemed cheaper at the time(though making use of them seems more costly long run). Music has always been my love, I don't buy records because everyone else buys them. Hey... this leads straight back to my Jeff Mills argument;) I think these mainstream dj's need to be shown up for what they are. Overpaid, selfcentered morons with no skill and no taste... A big club needs to start bringing in the skilled dj's and those that can really create a vibe. Do it when it's full of journalists, see what they have to say about it... Maybe having so many wannabe dj's IS a good thing though. In the end, only the best will survive. Survival of the fittest... Dj Pacific:) --- Andrew Duke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: personally, i see it like this: there are those who dj because they love the music and want to share it. some have the skills, some don't but are trying. in the end, they're sharing the love for the music. then there are others who buy into the dj as rock star culture and get into DJing, not because they want to share their love for the music, but for a variety of *other* reasons. yes, we always need new djs coming up, but we also have to have new djs coming up that are djing for the right reasons. i can remember back in 1987 when the dj was the last thing anyone would want to be; you were lower than the bartender and had drunks screaming at ya for this and that; could get beaten up for playing a song people didn't like; there were no flyers with your name in big letters, etc, etc, etc; nowadays, though, with the way dj culture has grown, kids don't know about the history of the dj, haven't worked their way up and gained experience via weddings, parties for friends, school, radio, etc, etc. they go out, buy two technics 1200s and a mixer, buy the top records they see in the mags, hook up with a promoter friend, get a booking, and suddenly they're a DJ! now i'm not saying all new djs are like that (thankfully, there are always some new people to the scene who have love in their hearts for the music), but i've personally seen it happen more and more frequently, and i'm sure many would agree. check the interviews with terrence parker, alan oldham, john acquaviva, and others who've *paid their dues* to be where they are in today's dj scene (cognition: http://techno.ca/cognition) and there's a commentary about this on the same site. yes, we need new djs, but it would be best for them to take it a bit slower, not suddenly get obsessed with this be a DJ! be a DJ! thing. personally, i've seen at least 3 or 4 young kids here in halifax spend tons of $ on tables, mixer and records, and then a couple of months later they've sold it all and are very disillusioned. though i don't know what all of the reasons are for them (personally ie for each of them), i *do* know from observation that they get a gig via a promoter friend and then you never see them booked again. why? well, a) there are so many kids desperate to be a dj!!! and, at least here in halifax, they're almost beating each other up and crawling over each other to get gigs, and b) they just haven't laid the proper foundation; they think that if they buy the gear and the records, they are almost *owed* gigs now, as if that's all there is to it. (an i've had most of these kids on my local radio show to try and help them out, see what they're up to, etc, but, though some are skilled, the
Re: (313) tribal techno
urban fox wrote btw the latest thing to catch peoples ears now the deep and dark tribal purcussive loops have become (over) common is a style of Latin or samba techno. Works exceptionally well on the 'floor. Still looking for the source of this .. I'd say that its reasonable well showcased on Richie's DE9 disk. Road to Rio and that stuff in the beginning. I love what he does with those Grain records. That's what I think of when I think of Tribal techno - organic super deep drummy sh*t. Tribal Cuts Vol 1, Grain, Cosmic, Bicknell, this stuff sounds like it could have been recorded straight from the most wicked drum circle you never heard. J. -- Knecht
RE: (313) DJs DJs DJs! :)
I remember the times when electronic music was not as splintered up as it is now. I really love the music, but I just can't keep up with all the new variants of all the styles. In the 'early days' you had house music and everybody got along (Watch it I may be generalising a bit here). In the clubs I went to the night started of with some trancy stuff (good though) and peaked with some heavy shit techno and early rave stuff (the Belgian stuff from around '91-'92-'93). Now I'm all clubed out. I practically don't go to clubs anymore because it's all the same shit. The only decent club around: Fuse in Brussels, can't even hold my attention. I rather like to go to parties in dark, industrial places and stuff like that. Does anybody have the same feeling? I guess in England you guys must be going nuts with all these crap superclubs... John -Original Message- From: Nick Walsh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 5:23 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) DJs DJs DJs! :) I completely agree with what's being said here. I'm only 19. Only got my own decks last November (previously I used a friend's) but I've always loved music. I used to like jungle but I've always moved around styles. Basically, I look for styles that haven't been adulterated by the mainstream. I've been from hardcore when I was 13 through jsut about every dance genre. I'm sticking to detroit now though. All the things I like about music are the essence of detroit. It creates an atmosphere unlike that of any other music I have come across... It seems mainstream music today is like processed food. Sh*t goes in, sh*t comes out but it's all nicely packaged so the kids buy it. When my parents were kids, they could go into the record shop and pick up something from the top forty and it'd be a good tune. Number one in the chart was worthy of that position. In forty years time, I won't be remembering Brittany Spears. Westlife and nostalgia will not be in used together in the same sentence. Now trance is what the kids buy around here, but these kids do it for fame and friends and 'cause it's cool. Ask 'em it's origins they won't have a clue. I don't think going out and buying all the top tunes is the way to go if you want to be successful or if you love music or if you want to be taken seriously. As far as I'm concerned, I didn't start djing because I wanted to be popular. In fact the prospect of djing in a club had me sh*tting bricks. I love music though, I wanted to produce my own tunes but equipment was costly and decks seemed cheaper at the time(though making use of them seems more costly long run). Music has always been my love, I don't buy records because everyone else buys them. Hey... this leads straight back to my Jeff Mills argument;) I think these mainstream dj's need to be shown up for what they are. Overpaid, selfcentered morons with no skill and no taste... A big club needs to start bringing in the skilled dj's and those that can really create a vibe. Do it when it's full of journalists, see what they have to say about it... Maybe having so many wannabe dj's IS a good thing though. In the end, only the best will survive. Survival of the fittest... Dj Pacific:) --- Andrew Duke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: personally, i see it like this: there are those who dj because they love the music and want to share it. some have the skills, some don't but are trying. in the end, they're sharing the love for the music. then there are others who buy into the dj as rock star culture and get into DJing, not because they want to share their love for the music, but for a variety of *other* reasons. yes, we always need new djs coming up, but we also have to have new djs coming up that are djing for the right reasons. i can remember back in 1987 when the dj was the last thing anyone would want to be; you were lower than the bartender and had drunks screaming at ya for this and that; could get beaten up for playing a song people didn't like; there were no flyers with your name in big letters, etc, etc, etc; nowadays, though, with the way dj culture has grown, kids don't know about the history of the dj, haven't worked their way up and gained experience via weddings, parties for friends, school, radio, etc, etc. they go out, buy two technics 1200s and a mixer, buy the top records they see in the mags, hook up with a promoter friend, get a booking, and suddenly they're a DJ! now i'm not saying all new djs are like that (thankfully, there are always some new people to the scene who have love in their hearts for the music), but i've personally seen it happen more and more frequently, and i'm sure many would agree. check the interviews with terrence parker, alan oldham, john acquaviva, and others who've *paid their dues* to be where they are in today's dj scene (cognition: http://techno.ca/cognition) and there's a commentary about this on the same site. yes, we
RE: (313) tribal techno
Talking of tribal techno - one of the records I've been hunting for a while now, one that Derrick May seems to play almost every time he DJ's still eludes me! can anyone id this track? It's on Derrick May's set from the streetsound site: http://streetsound.pseudo.com/specials/engage/may.ram comes in near the start after Reborn by Walt J:9:45 this track makes *everbody* shake their thang and its deep ta boot :) Rich
Re: (313) Jaguar Mixes
fully behind otto on this one--hynodelic sent the place into a frenzy and sounded absolutley brilliant. but back home it just didn't sound like the same record. Otto Koppius [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 03/09/2000 10:29:24 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org 313@hyperreal.org cc:(bcc: James Bucknell/Magazines/Hearst) Subject: Re: (313) Jaguar Mixes Tom Churchill wrote: No way! 'Hypnodelic' is one of my favourite house records of all time - it's amazing! They must have made it sound *unbelievable* if you think the original's no good... Unbelievable it is then :) (James, help me here!) The original *is* a good track though, I actually had it already before I heard it at BodySoul, it's just that when I dug it out again, it didn't nearly sound like I remembered it. Then I thought it was one of the remixes that got played, picked those up, but no luck either. I actually have that happen a lot to me: spotting tracks only to find out that I already have them. Any takers for my trainspotters' badge? :) Cheers, Otto Ob313: the first release on Final Frontier (a new label by Marco Passarani) is well worth checking out, there's a really good electro track on there, plus a downtempo track that is guaranteed to make you smile in its silliness.
(313) Terrence Dixon/From The Far Future/Tresor world premiere on Cognition http://techno.ca/cognition
Cognition, Andrew Duke's In The Mix, and Berlin's Tresor imprint present the world premiere of Terrence Dixon's From The Far Future full length. He's released material on Utensil, Metroplex, Astralwerks, and Background, helped produce Juan Atkins' (Infiniti) Skynet album (released in 1998 on Tresor), and now this Detroit marvel is set to release his debut album on Tresor in late March. Lush and moody and certain to please lovers of dubby house, tech house, and moody techno. You can hear this release now in full in RealAudio exclusively on Cognition: http://techno.ca/cognition thanks. Andrew Duke :) ps also online in full in RA on Cognition now: --Statra's Paradigm Shift (US Statra; with giveaway; contest ends March 21; out late March) --Daniel Wang's Silver Trophies EP (US Environ; out late March) --Chromatix' Life-Like EP (US Spelunk; out early April) --Dan Curtin's When Worlds Align EP (US/FR Starbaby; out early April) --Marumari's The Wolves Hollow (US Carpark; out early May) -- Cognition/Andrew Duke's In The Mix mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://techno.ca/cognition 1096 Queen St #123 Halifax NS Canada B3H 2R9
Re: (313) DJs DJs DJs! :)
Fuse in Brussels, can't even hold my attention. I rather like to go to parties in dark, industrial places and stuff like that. Does anybody have the same feeling? I guess in England you guys must be going nuts with all these crap superclubs... i used to get annoyed about clubs like Cream etc (who have swallowed whole the reasonably decent night Bugged Out and turned into another rubbish mainstream night...) but it's shit like this that drives music back to its roots (for want of a better cliche) my fave nights have been in fields with a cobbled together PA and no fancy lights etc with people there for the music etc. it is illegal to try and do this in this country at the moment. just wait for the backlash though!! robin... np. 10 years of DiY mix CD
Re: (313) tribal techno
Without even listening, I'm gonna guess. killa bite?!? With the cut up vocal sample Ooh Ooh Ooh. Is that it? J. Talking of tribal techno - one of the records I've been hunting for a while now, one that Derrick May seems to play almost every time he DJ's still eludes me! can anyone id this track? It's on Derrick May's set from the streetsound site: http://streetsound.pseudo.com/specials/engage/may.ram comes in near the start after Reborn by Walt J:9:45 this track makes *everbody* shake their thang and its deep ta boot :) Rich -- Knecht
(313) Re: recent techno from detroit
Don't forget about Orange, if you would call that from Detroit - seems to work well on the floor... Nate
Re: (313) tribal techno
Without even listening, I'm gonna guess. killa bite?!? With the cut up vocal sample Ooh Ooh Ooh. Is that it? J. er, wait, it goes ba-ba-badya-ba-ba! that's the jam. I've heard him play that often. I don't have access to sound at work, so i can't listen. I'll shut up now. J Talking of tribal techno - one of the records I've been hunting for a while now, one that Derrick May seems to play almost every time he DJ's still eludes me! can anyone id this track? It's on Derrick May's set from the streetsound site: http://streetsound.pseudo.com/specials/engage/may.ram comes in near the start after Reborn by Walt J:9:45 this track makes *everbody* shake their thang and its deep ta boot :) Rich -- Knecht -- Knecht
Re: (313) G-Man (C.Izzo)
corrado izzo is a producer from italy, from naples i think. he runs the zenit label together with marco carola. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Michael Adamczyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: 313@hyperreal.org 313@hyperreal.org Datum: Sonntag, 7. Mai 2000 14:46 Betreff: (313) G-Man (C.Izzo) I've recently picked up the Beautiful LP from G-Man and I'm wondering who C. Izzo is? He mixed the Enforcer track from the album. Thanks. L8r. Mike
RE: (313) tribal techno
no - thats Kiler Byte, got that one :) Joseph Ross Lynn IV wrote: Without even listening, I'm gonna guess. killa bite?!? With the cut up vocal sample Ooh Ooh Ooh. Is that it? J. er, wait, it goes ba-ba-badya-ba-ba! that's the jam. I've heard him play that often. I don't have access to sound at work, so i can't listen. I'll shut up now. J Talking of tribal techno - one of the records I've been hunting for a while now, one that Derrick May seems to play almost every time he DJ's still eludes me! can anyone id this track? It's on Derrick May's set from the streetsound site: http://streetsound.pseudo.com/specials/engage/may.ram comes in near the start after Reborn by Walt J:9:45 this track makes *everbody* shake their thang and its deep ta boot :) Rich
RE: (313) Terrence Dixon/From The Far Future/Tresor world premier e on Cognition http://techno.ca/cognition
I'm out of here. I'll be checking 313 again tomorrow. May the underground forces be with you all! John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 5:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) Terrence Dixon/From The Far Future/Tresor world premiere on Cognition http://techno.ca/cognition I'm a HUGE TD fan, so i was happy to finally see him do a full length. Tresor goes from strength to strength :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just got the album yesterday from Tresor. They were a bit late. It's good stuff as you can expect from Tresor. Coming in may and june: albums by James Ruskin and Karl 'O Connor. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 5:49 PM To: ...IDM list Subject: (313) Terrence Dixon/From The Far Future/Tresor world premiere on Cognition http://techno.ca/cognition Importance: High Cognition, Andrew Duke's In The Mix, and Berlin's Tresor imprint present the world premiere of Terrence Dixon's From The Far Future full length. He's released material on Utensil, Metroplex, Astralwerks, and Background, helped produce Juan Atkins' (Infiniti) Skynet album (released in 1998 on Tresor), and now this Detroit marvel is set to release his debut album on Tresor in late March. Lush and moody and certain to please lovers of dubby house, tech house, and moody techno. You can hear this release now in full in RealAudio exclusively on Cognition: http://techno.ca/cognition thanks. Andrew Duke :) ps also online in full in RA on Cognition now: --Statra's Paradigm Shift (US Statra; with giveaway; contest ends March 21; out late March) --Daniel Wang's Silver Trophies EP (US Environ; out late March) --Chromatix' Life-Like EP (US Spelunk; out early April) --Dan Curtin's When Worlds Align EP (US/FR Starbaby; out early April) --Marumari's The Wolves Hollow (US Carpark; out early May) -- Cognition/Andrew Duke's In The Mix mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://techno.ca/cognition 1096 Queen St #123 Halifax NS Canada B3H 2R9 -- Cognition/Andrew Duke's In The Mix mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://techno.ca/cognition 1096 Queen St #123 Halifax NS Canada B3H 2R9
RE: (313) cool stuff in san fran
ditto march 24/25 in san fran -Original Message- From: Phonopsia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 8:36 PM To: joe; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) cool stuff in san fran If anyone has any similar recommendations for May 18 - 21 in Frisco and the surrounding area, please let me know. Tristan == PHONOPSIA[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102/index.htm FrogboyMCI on AOL Instant Messenger New mix, Propper Techno online now. New Album, The Quebequois, soon to come. -Original Message- From: joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org 313@hyperreal.org Date: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 4:20 PM Subject: (313) cool stuff in san fran Hello everyone... I'll be in san francisco from Mar. 27 to april 1 (mon-sat) and I'm wondering if anyone can give me some tips on cool 313/techno/jazz/other good music/spoken word events I should check out. Any other must sees (ya know, tourist crap) would also be appreciated. Oh yeah, and record shops too, that'd be helpful. You should respond in private unless you think others would be interested blah blah blah... Any info is appreciated. Thanks, _joe __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com This electronic mail message and any attached files contain information intended for the exclusive use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is proprietary, privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any viewing, copying, disclosure or distribution of this information may be subject to legal restriction or sanction. Please notify the sender, by electronic mail or telephone, of any unintended recipients and delete the original message without making any copies.
(313) Road To Rio
Going back a little to the tribal thread : Does anyone have any info in the Santos Rodriguez track Road To Rio released on Bicknell's Cosmic offshoot Cosmic ID (the only ID release?)? is it Bicknell in disguise? if not has Rodriguez done other stuff? it's an incredible track.but then i love the whole bicknell/Lost sound... For tracky/tribal techno stuff you can't beat the User releases (particularly 003A). peace, H
RE: (313) tribal techno
Speaking of Grain 2, is that still fairly available? I've been trying to get my hands on it, but most of the distributors are out of it. Any mail order stores (or distributors) you can recommend? I know Sonic Groove has it listed, but it's not in the store. The locked grooves on #1 are so much fun. Thanks, Scott Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joseph Ross Lynn IV Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 10:32 AM To: urban fox; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) tribal techno urban fox wrote btw the latest thing to catch peoples ears now the deep and dark tribal purcussive loops have become (over) common is a style of Latin or samba techno. Works exceptionally well on the 'floor. Still looking for the source of this .. I'd say that its reasonable well showcased on Richie's DE9 disk. Road to Rio and that stuff in the beginning. I love what he does with those Grain records. That's what I think of when I think of Tribal techno - organic super deep drummy sh*t. Tribal Cuts Vol 1, Grain, Cosmic, Bicknell, this stuff sounds like it could have been recorded straight from the most wicked drum circle you never heard. J. -- Knecht
Re: (313) Any info on Detronik????
Just curious if anybody has any info on a detroit electro outfit called Detronik? Supposedly they are Dopplereffekt-related. Please fill me in with the details. o.k. heres the info. on this outfit. They are some experimental crazy guys from detroit that think their going to mars and tvs are actually communication devices that speak to alternate worlds. They primarily are experimentors, however since their studio was once located in the submerge building, they have adopted very electroish beats. They perform their sets completely live and theres not much in their set that is even digital it is mostly toys and crazy TR-606's which are normally very boring yet they sound completely different now..trust me, i think they call them TR-666's or something. Anyway you should check out what they do, the stuff they do is more like some weird science show gone bad, and occasionally they use explosives. And they probably will broadcast from mars this saturday since they planned on hitching a ride there on a sattellite. ...:::.:.:::.:.:::.:.:..:...:.:...:::.:.:...:. ::create : recreate : alter:: __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
(313) does TRESOR HAVE ANY HOUSE RELEASES?
I KNOW THE LABEL HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE LIKE FOREVAdid they ever release any housey material? what artists? and what year? thanks vidal __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: (313) does TRESOR HAVE ANY HOUSE RELEASES?
i'm sure they had a house subsid of the label at one point one release was Santonio (Eschols?) as i have a copy of that somewhere not much info i know robin...
RE: (313) tribal techno
Tribal Life The Hayden Andre Project Strobe Records 1991 Talking of tribal techno - one of the records I've been hunting for a while now, one that Derrick May seems to play almost every time he DJ's still eludes me! can anyone id this track? It's on Derrick May's set from the streetsound site: http://streetsound.pseudo.com/specials/engage/may.ram comes in near the start after Reborn by Walt J:9:45 this track makes *everbody* shake their thang and its deep ta boot :) Rich
RE: (313) tribal techno
try groovetech. they had it... Speaking of Grain 2, is that still fairly available? I've been trying to get my hands on it, but most of the distributors are out of it. Any mail order stores (or distributors) you can recommend? I know Sonic Groove has it listed, but it's not in the store. The locked grooves on #1 are so much fun. Thanks, Scott Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joseph Ross Lynn IV Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 10:32 AM To: urban fox; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) tribal techno urban fox wrote btw the latest thing to catch peoples ears now the deep and dark tribal purcussive loops have become (over) common is a style of Latin or samba techno. Works exceptionally well on the 'floor. Still looking for the source of this .. I'd say that its reasonable well showcased on Richie's DE9 disk. Road to Rio and that stuff in the beginning. I love what he does with those Grain records. That's what I think of when I think of Tribal techno - organic super deep drummy sh*t. Tribal Cuts Vol 1, Grain, Cosmic, Bicknell, this stuff sounds like it could have been recorded straight from the most wicked drum circle you never heard. J. -- Knecht
Re: (313) tribal techno
Speaking of Grain 2, is that still fairly available? I've been trying to get my hands on it, but most of the distributors are out of it. Any mail order stores (or distributors) you can recommend? I know Sonic Groove has it listed, but it's not in the store. The locked grooves on #1 are so much fun. Are there only 2, or is there a third? And what's the deal with the weird radio stuff at the ends of those records? J. -- Knecht
Re: (313) Ben Sims kicks ass???
I have to agree. If you put enough pretty colors on a monster flyer. you could throw a giant 10,000 head techno only party (as long as you have one room full of ferngully 303 preset hell and kick drums over pop synth riff remixes), while trying to do a techno based format for big people clubs has been an utter pain in the ass. We lost our space for our club out here for bullshit reasons and had to cancel a show we had planned with Bone and T-1000 (our former night is now an esdjco overly typical suck ass disco house night). The most unfortunate thing about it all is that no one really wants to lose the money it cost to fly and house one of our detroit heros out here to play for 200 kids and lose your ass. The only draws that'll get you more than 1000 heads are May and Ritchie go figure. I've contemplated going the route of LA and get some corporate sponsors and throw a giant show with Mills but, the sad and hideous state of affairs would be that no one would show up unless I booked Dickweed and Terry Mullan (or other $4000+ Rave circuit players) to get anyone to show up. It sucks that the only way to hear the music you love is to be the jackass who loses his rent money. Fuck it I've moving to Australia. On Wed, 8 Mar 2000 21:04:35 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think that the Rave Scene is necessarily a great place for techno, although at the same time I do hope that techno DJs continue to infiltrate the rave scene and bring their own sounds to those who will listen--which is exactly why I play parties. The rave scene is what's keeping techno alive in the US, strangely enough. I hardly ever get booked at clubs. All the clubs want to hear is commercial Oakenfold bullshit or Eiffel 65 eurotrash pop (aside from Motor and Science of course *wink*). The funny thing about these candy kids is that they *say* they don't like techno until you light their asses up and rock some shit, then they're all over you...what kind of music is that ??? Then you leave the room and they're right back on that happy hardcore cartoon shit...weird. Just my 02. a. ___ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com
RE: (313) tribal techno
while were are trainspoting may's set...theres this track around 14min and 30sec that ive been looking for...its got a house sample in it, and when it breaks these dope synths start coming in...does anyone know what track it is??? burns Talking of tribal techno - one of the records I've been hunting for a while now, one that Derrick May seems to play almost every time he DJ's still eludes me! can anyone id this track? It's on Derrick May's set from the streetsound site: http://streetsound.pseudo.com/specials/engage/may.ram comes in near the start after Reborn by Walt J:9:45 this track makes *everbody* shake their thang and its deep ta boot :) Rich __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: (313) Ben Sims kicks ass???
In a message dated 3/9/00 8:35:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, DJT1000 writes: Sean, THANK YOU. Nice to to see somebody's got good common sense. Minimaltek, read this; I'm noticing points have to made with you several times before they sink in. Maybe I just disagree with you. Saying Detroit is finished with techno makes no sense to me. SORRY I asked you to elaborate...it seems like a pretty big generalization and I think Jaguar is a great release for Rolando with many more to come from the city of Detroit by people like Dan Bell, Ritchie Hawtin, Anthony Shakir, The Planet-E crew, the Transmat Crew, Wild Planet...the list goes on and they have all been producing good music. Alan, your opinions are your opinions if you just want to throw stuff on the list and insult people for asking you to go further with your ideas and clarify, be my guest---but interaction and conversation seems like a better platform. Unless you can't back your statements up...
RE: (313) tribal techno
try www.fat-cat.co.uk they do a mail order service. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Scott Stone Sent: 09 March 2000 17:17 To: 313 Subject: RE: (313) tribal techno Speaking of Grain 2, is that still fairly available? I've been trying to get my hands on it, but most of the distributors are out of it. Any mail order stores (or distributors) you can recommend? I know Sonic Groove has it listed, but it's not in the store. The locked grooves on #1 are so much fun. Thanks, Scott Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joseph Ross Lynn IV Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 10:32 AM To: urban fox; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) tribal techno urban fox wrote btw the latest thing to catch peoples ears now the deep and dark tribal purcussive loops have become (over) common is a style of Latin or samba techno. Works exceptionally well on the 'floor. Still looking for the source of this .. I'd say that its reasonable well showcased on Richie's DE9 disk. Road to Rio and that stuff in the beginning. I love what he does with those Grain records. That's what I think of when I think of Tribal techno - organic super deep drummy sh*t. Tribal Cuts Vol 1, Grain, Cosmic, Bicknell, this stuff sounds like it could have been recorded straight from the most wicked drum circle you never heard. J. -- Knecht
RE: (313) Pacou Maurizio Remixes LL
One of the tracks on LL01 sounds very Maurizio like (m5 but a bit more chunky) and I've heard that it's a collaboration between Maurizio and Pacou, not heard of any actual remix ep though. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of ryan burns Sent: 07 March 2000 20:44 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Pacou Maurizio Remixes LL back in 98 pacou came with a ep on LL called Maurizio Remixes...has anyone heard this??what do you think of it??..does maurizio have any mixes on it, or is it just pacou __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: (313) does TRESOR HAVE ANY HOUSE RELEASES?
| I KNOW THE LABEL HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE LIKE FOREVAdid they ever release | any housey material? what artists? and what year? last year they put out a house 12 by blake baxter (which also did a quite housey remix for savvas ysatis's alright ep - also on tresor)... ___ ____ ___ ___ ___ (_- / _ \ / // __// -_)/ -_)/ -_) /___// .__//_/ \__/ \__/ \__/ \__/ /_/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ.4627247.a.segunda.de.uma.serie.19 www.potentialvalleys.com/people/spiceee/
RE: (313) Road To Rio
I think santos may be bicknell in disguise, ID 2 by oliver ho has just came out. It's usual Ho material, tribal beats with spooky vocal samples in the background. Good stuff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Williams, Howard Sent: 09 March 2000 17:23 To: '313@hyperreal.org' Subject: (313) Road To Rio Going back a little to the tribal thread : Does anyone have any info in the Santos Rodriguez track Road To Rio released on Bicknell's Cosmic offshoot Cosmic ID (the only ID release?)? is it Bicknell in disguise? if not has Rodriguez done other stuff? it's an incredible track.but then i love the whole bicknell/Lost sound... For tracky/tribal techno stuff you can't beat the User releases (particularly 003A). peace, H
Re: (313) tribal techno
[Grain] Are there only 2, or is there a third? There's three - the most recent two were FAT016 and 017 (both used to superb effect on the Hawtin Dex EFX 909 mix incidentally). The first one was a bit earlier (don't know the catalogue number off the top of my head), and came with a 10 featuring another bizarre radio windup and an odd reversed downtempo easy-listening loop... And what's the deal with the weird radio stuff at the ends of those records? Apparently it's a hobby of his, phoning up local radio station discussions posing as 'Graham from Redhill' or whatever and winding up the presenter. The one where he says he's got a dog called Ralphie who can play the piano is particularly amusing, as is the one where he talks about pubs and snogging his nan... :::: tom churchill : : headspace recordings : : http://www.headspacerecordings.co.uk : ::: e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ::: ::: t: 07976 898514
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In a message dated 3/9/00 2:12:04 PM, Minimaltek writes: Alan, your opinions are your opinions if you just want to throw stuff on the list and insult people for asking you to go further with your ideas and clarify, be my guest---but interaction and conversation seems like a better platform. Unless you can't back your statements up... First of all, I tried to take this private but you dragged me onto the list. Unlike you, I understand points when people make them. Yes there are great releases from Detroit labels, unfortunately most of the artists with the hits themselves aren't from Detroit and the Detroit artists are not making dancefloor techno. Wild Planet and Aril are from Stockholm (this year's techno capital), Rich is Canadian (who just at the end of 1999 went back to dancefloor material), Shake made one bad-ass hard techno record like two years ago (the NSC one that I did the artwork for), Planet E doesn't make techno anymore, the Detroit Grand Pubahs are on the cover of the Metro Times this week and Aux 88 won *two* Metro Times Music Awards last year. Not to mention last year's big hype on ghettotech in Mixer, Details, Rolling Stone, etc. IT's From Beyond was one of the 90s' best discs according to Spin. So was Innovator, but I don't have to point out that those tracks are all 10+ years old. I haven't heard the new DBX stuff on Elevate, but he seems to be moving in a more abstract direction as well. According to Submerge, they are having big success with these instrumental hip-hop EPs plus their prior success w/ hi-tech funk and booty. Jaguar was out of the blue. Need I go on ? Detroit Techno as it was is over. Times change. No sour grapes, just facts. It's no accident that hard techno guys like Denham and Young have moved to Europe and Mills keeps a crib there. Stewart Walker tells me he's spending most of this summer there because he can barely get booked in the US. New talent like Punisher switch between techno and db. But life goes on. Techno was voted best musical form of 1999 by a Raveline (GER) reader's poll, beating out all other styles of dance music. And that as they say is that. a. PS. I did enjoy RNG's Existence of Echelon on 430 West last year.
Re: (313) Ben Sims kicks ass???
In a message dated 3/9/00 2:40:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Saying Detroit is finished with techno makes no sense to me. SORRY I asked you to elaborate...it seems like a pretty big generalization and I think Jaguar is a great release for Rolando with many more to come from the city of Detroit by people like Dan Bell, Ritchie Hawtin, Anthony Shakir, The Planet-E crew, the Transmat Crew, Wild Planet...the list goes on and they have all been producing good music. I think what Alan is getting at is that the Detroit techno scene has stagnated, nobody is innovating anymore and there hasn't been a release in the past five years that stands up that well to the classic stuff done a long time ago, and also that most of the pre-eminent Detroit producers and musicians have moved past the early pure techno sound to a more hybridized thing (see Innerzone Orchestra, Model 500, etc.) You are right in your assertion that people are still making old school techno music in Detroit, but I think Alan is equally right in his that it is just more of the same. And compare current Transmat releases to old ones, compare Wild Planet, Shake, Hawtin, any modern Octave One or 430 West, etc. to Strings of Life, Night Drive, I Believe, Neurotic Behavior, any Red Planet or Galaxy 2 Galaxy, Minimal Nation, Just Another Chance, etc. It's not that people aren't making good music these days but it seems the music hasn't advanced like it did back when. I don't want to slight current producers, but I suppose I am. Also I would venture a guess that Alan notices the difference in quality and innovation much more than the rest of us, who were not fortunate enough to be intimately involved in the early days of the Detroit electronic revolution. I can only comment based on the records I hear, but people like Alan can comment based on the general vibe of the city and the musicians as well. Matt
(313) Grain?
Is Grain a label or an artist? Many thanks to the man or woman that can provide more information. -Sathya Gosselin
Re: (313) live PAs Live PAs :)
Ha HAH HAH!! LOL, I hate it when people don't get what a live PA is. I saw Stewart Walker play his live minimal 4/4 tech and some girl came up to me and said Can he play some jungle?? Yeah, and seeing people treat thousand dollar gear like something to rest on is s agitating. This guy started resting both hands on a JP-8000 and nearly flipped it right off it's stand! R __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: (313) Reply
the Detroit Grand Pubahs are on the cover of the Metro Times this week and Aux 88 won *two* Metro Times Music Awards last year. Not to mention last year's big hype on ghettotech in Mixer, Details, Rolling Stone, etc. IT's From Beyond was one of the 90s' best discs according to Spin. Alan, I'm confused about how this attention plays into your arguement. But I'm happy to see Andy (of the Pubas) finally getting a little bit of credit. Check out the article at www.metrotimes.com J. -- Knecht
Re: (313) live PAs Live PAs :)
A few weeks ago, I had some YoungUrbanProfessional lady almost ash her cigarette on my modified TR-606. Needless to say, she got an earful from my girlfriend and I. n8 Yeah, and seeing people treat thousand dollar gear like something to rest on is s agitating. This guy started resting both hands on a JP-8000 and nearly flipped it right off it's stand! R __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: (313) Ben Sims kicks ass???
And another thing - once you're famous, does that mean you don't have to create danceable music anymore? It means you don't have to create danceable music if you don't want to. Witness Richie Hawtin - the Concept series and Consumed, specifically. After years and years of being successful making people dance, he decided he wanted to try something different, and did so. Would have have been as successful in getting those records heard if he hadn't spent years making dance music? No. Was it his right as an artist to do those records? Of course. Carl Craig is another great example - after years of making *some* danceable stuff (Paperclip People, 69, etc), he decided to try something different, and did Innerzone Orchestra. Would that record have been as successful if Carl hadn't already been established? No. Would it still have been great music for an admittedly different audience? Yes. We don't own the artists whose work we enjoy; they have no responsibilities to us. It's consumer beware. If party kids were dissapointed when they saw Carl perform as Paperclip People, perhaps they should have understood that he's not a one-dimensional guy before purchasing their ticket. A listen to his catalog besides just Throw or The Floor would have established that. I'm not trying to flame or preach, by the way, and I apologize if I come across that way. I just get irritated by the overwhelmingly closed mindset of so many in the dance music scene. Fuck art, let's dance. Fuck dance, let's art. Take your pick, or have both (my preference). Bill / dj marathon -- AppNet MidWest Interactive [formerly Sigma6] / http://www.appnet.com now available:http://techno.ca/cognition/show598.htm always on:http://www.chromedecay.org
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the Detroit Grand Pubahs are on the cover of the Metro Times this week and Aux 88 won *two* Metro Times Music Awards last year. Not to mention last year's big hype on ghettotech in Mixer, Details, Rolling Stone, etc. IT's From Beyond was one of the 90s' best discs according to Spin. I'm confused about how this attention plays into your arguement. But I'm happy to see Andy (of the Pubas) finally getting a little bit of credit. Check out the article at www.metrotimes.com I think the point was that the attention being paid to Detroit artists these days focuses on ghetto-tech, house, or electro instead of techno. Bill / dj marathon -- AppNet MidWest Interactive [formerly Sigma6] / http://www.appnet.com now available:http://techno.ca/cognition/show598.htm always on:http://www.chromedecay.org
Re: (313) 2 track EP's / Moods Grooves
On the other hand, I've been told that the kdj on moods / grooves isn't actually that good (I guess when you compare it to other moodyman stuff). I'll still hear it for myself, if mike grant decides to repress the sucker. If a label has 4 tracks from an artist, why to put out 2 tracks ? If a label could press 2.000 copies why to press only 1.000 ? Does it make sense ? Thanks do not put in my hand a marketting strategy way. People have to put a roof on their head. MG has did the best he can. If you don't like a track do not buy it no one put a gun on your head. Anyway,no matter what you do you cannot please to everyone. Later __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: (313) Grain?
At 03:15 PM 3/9/2000 -0500, you wrote: Is Grain a label or an artist? Many thanks to the man or woman that can provide more information. According to the Fat Cat website, all three Grain releases are by a producer named Arthur Smith. For more info and sound samples of all three Grain records check: http://www.fat-cat.co.uk/artists/grain.html ---Lance--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] p.o. box 450715 westlake, ohio 44145 united states
RE: (313) Ben Sims kicks ass???
I would say we should push the boundaries as far as the boundaries will go Maybe Jeff Mills used to be good but I feel he's surpassed by the likes of Claude Young. Jeff's too busy messing about making so called experimental tunes when he should be knocking dancefloor tunes together. How far must we keep 'pushing the boundaries'? Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - Renegade Rhythms email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Exploring the Inner Dimensions of Sound http://www.RenegadeRhythms.com Next Live Real Audio Broadcast: Wed March 8, 2000 --
(313) Surveying the carnage.....
Greetings folks, I've been off the net for a few days and have only just read the whole Ben Sims / Jeff Mills saga. Although the angry reaction did not stem from anything I said directly, it was initially kinda related to one of my posts. For the record I'd just like to say that I have seen Jeff Mills and I think he's the fuckin don. That goes for productions too. I haven't seen TP as yet, but would like to. I've seen Claude Young and Dave Clarke many times, in addition to most of the DJs we respect and talk about on this list. I do know what I'm talking about in that respect - my point was that Ben Sims has some quite unique touches to his DJ style, and I was merely giving props to that fact! Peace y'all. Nick __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
(313) Fwd: Benbecula 007!!
Some Benbecula information just in that i thought some of you might like to know about. Check the (re-vamped) website for more! Benbecula 007 is ... Radio broadcast of interview with Benbecula Records live ... Monday 13 March 2000, 2200- Fresh Air FM 87.7, Edinburgh ... on the radio show Edinburgh Beats hosted by Hobbes from Underword Magazine. Featuring exclusive preview of forthcoming material on Benbecula. Thank you for your attention. benbecula records po box 23250, edinburgh eh1 2xq scotland http://www.benbecula.com Pietro. ___ p i e t r o d a s a c c o a u d i o - n i m b u s c j a m 91.5 fm saturdays from midnight - 2am EST 9745 lynngrove cr, windsor, ontario, n8r 1b8, canada g r o o v e s m a g a z i n e www.groovesmag.com
Re: (313) MUMTAZ?
Really nice guy from Chicago with whom I trade tapes on occasion. jeff Joseph Ross Lynn IV wrote: Currently seeking info on a dj calling himself MUMTAZ. He has got quite a little buzz going around these parts based of a recent performance of his. Apparently this guy has got MAD SKILLS. Cutting, doubles, speedy gonzalez on the techno tip, and SMOOTH. or so I hear. people are saying some pretty superlative sh*t about this guy out here in Mid Michigan. Whaddya know? J. -- Knecht -- jeff 10,000 people all screaming the same thing at the same time are wrong, even if they're right. dancing/about/architecture ...with wandering steps and slow... ICQ904008
