Re: [313] Detroit Raves??
Actually i am speaking from much experience. I had to get out of that pathetic scene because it greatly offended me to see so many people only able to enjoy the music (the music which has changed my life significantly) when under the influence of drugs. I dont feel that drugs are a necessarily bad thing when done in careful moderation. But going to a rave and watching kevin saunderson THROW DOWN while the majority of the other people are too f*cked up to even comprehend or question the talent they are seeing/hearing does not create a good atmosphere IMHO. respect, robyn mee-thod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes thislist is about music and not drugs but raves aren't about drugs it's about atmosphere. don't believe all the bullshit u read and see in the media... propaganda *grin* and who cares if they r about drugs anyway?! we are adults with brains and can make intelligent informed decisions about both music and drugs... hell! and atmosphere. this might not be the right list for this dood but it may be... i'd love to go to a RAVE (ie. huge party with lasers) and hear *sigh* stardancer (have done in fact) or... any of the HUGE DETROIT ANTHEMS! reality... do do do do do do do do do emma mee-thod -it's in the way that you groove it- . here ends the self-righteous whinge about self-righteous anti-drug anti-personal responsibility propaganda pimped by white boy american 'democracy' . = For those who know stay low stay strong stay ready stay underground. For those who don't,learn. For those who'stole the soul',live in fear as the spirits will track you into your next life and beyond. Nothing good will come to you. - Mad Mike UR __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
Re: [313] Friendliest UK record shops
Is there a reason no one mentions Tag? I love that store. They turned me on to Thomas Brinkmann. Atlas is very good too. And Reckless has a *LOAD* of Detroit techno and other electronic music in now. If only I had more money when I was there... Tristan == PHONOPSIA[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102 FrogboyMCI on AOL Instant Messenger Most people have the cataract. They do not see what they look at. Dum Dee Dum Dee Dum Dee Dum... - Stereolab -Original Message- From: Todd Gys [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org 313@hyperreal.org Date: Monday, November 20, 2000 10:20 PM Subject: [313] Friendliest UK record shops If you're looking for the most helpful record stores, these are my picks: 1. Ambient Soho Their staff is really really cool and very knowledgable about all genres of musik. Do some artist/label name dropping and they'll point you to some great stuff. They turned me on to so many new artists and labels...really incredible experiences in there. 2. Atlas Records Ok, this place is the bomb for the detroit sound and the help there is really into the same stuff. Again, tell them the kind of stuff you're looking for and they'll expose you to all sorts of new stuff you've probably never heard, but will love. I discovered a lot of UK labels from that place including Bluetrain. That's also where I found my copy of 3MB (Maurizio) and Juan Atkin's colaboration...very cool. Now, I have to also mention Sister Ray it's a great store, but a very eclectic collection so the staff isn't as good at helping you find cool stuff. But, that said, I found all sorts of great classic Tresor, Plus 8, etc. Tons of rare IDM stuff in there too. You'll like it. I found one of Hawtin's first ever releases in there (From Our Minds to Yours on States of Mind). Anyway you look at it, London has some kick ass record stores...but, alas, you'll get screwed a little bit on the exchange rate. It's worth it. GYS - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
id
I need a track ID..first song from the Eddie Richards set A from Transmissions..it goes like We are trying to connect your call please hold the line..sounds like an actual message from a phone company..any ideas? isnt this from the innerzone album? p-d
Metropolis on vinyl?
Sorry, I know this has been discussed before, but after listening to Mills' Metropolis, I must find it on vinyl, anyone have any leads? darw_n create, demonstrate, toneshift... http://www.mp3.com/stations/clevelandunderground http://www.mp3.com/darw_n http://www.sphereproductions.com/topic/Darwin.html http://www.mannequinodd.com
Re: [313] Metropolis on vinyl?
darw_n wrote: Sorry, I know this has been discussed before, but after listening to Mills' Metropolis, I must find it on vinyl, anyone have any leads? ***7 or so of the tracks on the cd are available on a single LP on axis. record time in detroit had copies, last time i checked their website. hope this helps. andrew duke :) darw_n create, demonstrate, toneshift... http://www.mp3.com/stations/clevelandunderground http://www.mp3.com/darw_n http://www.sphereproductions.com/topic/Darwin.html http://www.mannequinodd.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Cognition/Andrew Duke's In The Mix 3rd annual Fundraising Auction for CKDU is now underway: http://techno.ca/cognition auction ends Wednesday November 29 at 12noon AST
Re: [313] Metropolis on vinyl?
Where do you live? Kevin --- darw_n [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, I know this has been discussed before, but after listening to Mills' Metropolis, I must find it on vinyl, anyone have any leads? darw_n create, demonstrate, toneshift... http://www.mp3.com/stations/clevelandunderground http://www.mp3.com/darw_n http://www.sphereproductions.com/topic/Darwin.html http://www.mannequinodd.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
Re: [313] stuff
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ppl scuse for being an uninformed dag like bc / main st / luomo...what is perlon / playhouse? Perlon and Playhouse are German labels. Hope this helps. Andrew Duke :) ta p-d - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Cognition/Andrew Duke's In The Mix 3rd annual Fundraising Auction for CKDU is now underway: http://techno.ca/cognition auction ends Wednesday November 29 at 12noon AST
RE: [313] stuff
like bc / main st / luomo...what is perlon / playhouse? Perlon and Playhouse are both record labels. I guess they get lumped together because they are both German and put out quirky house and techno. Check: http://www.mad-net.de/data/labels.html ...and Luomo is aka Vladislav Delay (not a record label). As has been mentioned, his Vocalcity LP is very good, and his latest ep on Force Tracks called Carter is some really beautiful vocal dubbed out house, which for some reason (probably its laidback style) reminded me of Promised Land. Long and dreamy. Respect JasonB
OT: If you were trying to reach me...
I just deleted most of about 700 messages with 313 in the subject line, so even if you were replying to me sometime int the last three weeks and your message had 313 in the subject line but it was only sent to me, it likely got deleted along with the rest. Please be so kind to re-send if you could. Thanks! Tristan == PHONOPSIA[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102 FrogboyMCI on AOL Instant Messenger Most people have the cataract. They do not see what they look at. Dum Dee Dum Dee Dum Dee Dum... - Stereolab __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Deputy Dawg
I have this fine tune by Deputy Dawg on Peacefrog called Dirtbag which sounds very like Luke Slater in X-Tront mode; anyone know if this is the case or have further info? David
Re: [313] Metropolis on vinyl?
On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, darw_n wrote: Sorry, I know this has been discussed before, but after listening to Mills' Metropolis, I must find it on vinyl, anyone have any leads? darw_n drive up here to recordtime. they have a bunch of 'em :) (or i suppose you could save some gas money and have them ship it). kyle
RE: Track ID
havent heard the set, but could be 'telephone call' by kraftwerk. it's on the 'electric cafe' album cheers sc Fahd Al Noor wrote: I need a track ID..first song from the Eddie Richards set A from Transmissions..it goes like We are trying to connect your call please hold the line..sounds like an actual message from a phone company..any ideas? ** Commonwealth Bank of Australia (ABN 48 123 123 124) **
RE: [313] Deputy Dawg
HI David, It is indeed Luke SLater. Your techno friend, Collin --Original Message-- From: David Hampson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: November 28, 2000 9:30:26 AM GMT Subject: [313] Deputy Dawg I have this fine tune by Deputy Dawg on Peacefrog called Dirtbag which sounds very like Luke Slater in X-Tront mode; anyone know if this is the case or have further info? David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PACfusion.comhttp//www.pacfusion.com - Living Made Easy
RE: [313] Re: [Re: [313] KDJ no show Glasgow]
.Interesting comment ,BTW Paul okenfold(sp?) recieved $120,000 for new years eve 2000...spinning three gigs helicoptered from one to others when done @ $60,000 a pop... kinda puts $7500 in perspective , huh? and how much did millsy get paid for NYE 2000 in melbourne? j
Re: [313] Detroit Raves??
that was awful nice of you. how do you know s/he's not into the music? and who cares if s/he's not? a lot of people get attracted to the raves because of drugs, the scene, the reputation, whatever. what generally happens is that the people's intentions generally show in what they make of raves later on. there are people that get too old for the raves, there are people that get jaded, sure... but there will be the select few who really get into the music... even if they didn't appreciate the music to begin with. and to push that person into a stereotype isn't cool at all. Mike From: R Vincent [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Detroit Raves?? Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 16:48:56 -0800 (PST) no no no no... you have picked the WRONG list fellow raver this list is about music, not DRUGS, therefore it has nothing to do with the current raves you are searching for. I wonder if you even know what detroit techno is? Seeing as how most of the other ravers i unfortunately used to associate with were completely oblivious to it. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey everyone, i'm new to this mailing list so i'll introduce myself. I will go by the nickname Da Court Jester, if its not all ready taken, i am 16 and i'm looking for the most current raves that i can attend in detroit. If anyone knows of any PLEASE...contact me. Thanks. Da Court Jester (a fellow raver) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] = For those who know stay low stay strong stay ready stay underground. For those who don't,learn. For those who'stole the soul',live in fear as the spirits will track you into your next life and beyond. Nothing good will come to you. - Mad Mike UR __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] Re: [Re: [313] KDJ no show Glasgow]
Not this again!! .Interesting comment ,BTW Paul okenfold(sp?) recieved $120,000 for new years eve 2000...spinning three gigs helicoptered from one to others when done @ $60,000 a pop... kinda puts $7500 in perspective , huh? and how much did millsy get paid for NYE 2000 in melbourne?
Re: [313] stuff
Isolee's huge '98 hit Beau Mot Plage (sp) came out on Playhouse, if that helps. Um... Perlon's record design is always black and yellow. Silly, I know, but you've probably seen it somewhere before. -mary Perlon and Playhouse are German labels. Hope this helps. Andrew Duke :) ta p-d - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Cognition/Andrew Duke's In The Mix 3rd annual Fundraising Auction for CKDU is now underway: http://techno.ca/cognition auction ends Wednesday November 29 at 12noon AST - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get email for your site --- http://www.everyone.net
RE: [313] Re: [Re: [313] KDJ no show Glasgow]
yeah, but money is what DJ'ing is all about, right? sickening. Mike From: Jason Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] Re: [Re: [313] KDJ no show Glasgow] Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:59:00 +1000 .Interesting comment ,BTW Paul okenfold(sp?) recieved $120,000 for new years eve 2000...spinning three gigs helicoptered from one to others when done @ $60,000 a pop... kinda puts $7500 in perspective , huh? _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] Detroit Raves??
I do not know about anybody else, but I think 313 electronic soul music techno crap is for the birds. you have to be high to listen to that crap, everybody who sobers up get bored with it and moves on. I'm only in it for chicks, drugs, and a bit of notoriety. anybody going to jigglypuff 3? dj p00kie slappaho np : DEC : black buildings ep Michael Kim wrote: that was awful nice of you. how do you know s/he's not into the music? and who cares if s/he's not? a lot of people get attracted to the raves because of drugs, the scene, the reputation, whatever. what generally happens is that the people's intentions generally show in what they make of raves later on. there are people that get too old for the raves, there are people that get jaded, sure... but there will be the select few who really get into the music... even if they didn't appreciate the music to begin with. and to push that person into a stereotype isn't cool at all. Mike From: R Vincent [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Detroit Raves?? Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 16:48:56 -0800 (PST) no no no no... you have picked the WRONG list fellow raver this list is about music, not DRUGS, therefore it has nothing to do with the current raves you are searching for. I wonder if you even know what detroit techno is? Seeing as how most of the other ravers i unfortunately used to associate with were completely oblivious to it. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey everyone, i'm new to this mailing list so i'll introduce myself. I will go by the nickname Da Court Jester, if its not all ready taken, i am 16 and i'm looking for the most current raves that i can attend in detroit. If anyone knows of any PLEASE...contact me. Thanks. Da Court Jester (a fellow raver) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] = For those who know stay low stay strong stay ready stay underground. For those who don't,learn. For those who'stole the soul',live in fear as the spirits will track you into your next life and beyond. Nothing good will come to you. - Mad Mike UR __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Friendliest UK record shops
Check Mark @ www.hedonizm.demon.co.uk He may take time with records but he will definitely get them if he can, he is that straight up. Scott Mc - Original Message - From: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 1:58 AM Subject: Re: [313] Friendliest UK record shops Is there a reason no one mentions Tag? I love that store. They turned me on to Thomas Brinkmann. Atlas is very good too. And Reckless has a *LOAD* of Detroit techno and other electronic music in now. If only I had more money when I was there... Tristan == PHONOPSIA[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102 FrogboyMCI on AOL Instant Messenger Most people have the cataract. They do not see what they look at. Dum Dee Dum Dee Dum Dee Dum... - Stereolab -Original Message- From: Todd Gys [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org 313@hyperreal.org Date: Monday, November 20, 2000 10:20 PM Subject: [313] Friendliest UK record shops If you're looking for the most helpful record stores, these are my picks: 1. Ambient Soho Their staff is really really cool and very knowledgable about all genres of musik. Do some artist/label name dropping and they'll point you to some great stuff. They turned me on to so many new artists and labels...really incredible experiences in there. 2. Atlas Records Ok, this place is the bomb for the detroit sound and the help there is really into the same stuff. Again, tell them the kind of stuff you're looking for and they'll expose you to all sorts of new stuff you've probably never heard, but will love. I discovered a lot of UK labels from that place including Bluetrain. That's also where I found my copy of 3MB (Maurizio) and Juan Atkin's colaboration...very cool. Now, I have to also mention Sister Ray it's a great store, but a very eclectic collection so the staff isn't as good at helping you find cool stuff. But, that said, I found all sorts of great classic Tresor, Plus 8, etc. Tons of rare IDM stuff in there too. You'll like it. I found one of Hawtin's first ever releases in there (From Our Minds to Yours on States of Mind). Anyway you look at it, London has some kick ass record stores...but, alas, you'll get screwed a little bit on the exchange rate. It's worth it. GYS - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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house for all / chi-909
I just picked up the house for all vol 2 LP on definitive , and there is a track on there called 7am by dark ages. It sounds exactly like one of the tracks on the aril brikha : art of vengeance ep! ... why is this ... it says it is by M.Jukica ... sounds swedish to me also correct me if I'm wrong but weren't early house producers preferential to the 808 over the 909 for percussion? cheers... Tom. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
Re: [313] house for all / chi-909
On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Tom Serna wrote: also correct me if I'm wrong but weren't early house producers preferential to the 808 over the 909 for percussion? i don't know, i think it's everybody's personal opinion which to use, but lot's of old house stuff was actually made with tr-707, and most of the electro/hip-hop stuff with 808.. or dmx. 909 just came in whenever it was available, or suitable or whatever. kevin sauderson used 909 quite a lot on inner city tracks. sakke
nortroute.net broadcast
twoplayer, madvision and forcefield present: : nortroute.net 29h november broadcast : 20.00-23.00 gmt, 21.00-0.00 cet special guest: the connective zone (a13) residents:: stephen, dan and marsel expect new and old tunes from broad electronic genres. ranging from older detroit and electro stuff to new soulful idm, west-london tunes, detroit house and dubby berlin sounds. http://www.nortroute.net for more info
Re: [313] stuff
Playhouse is german as well as Perlon. You'll find perlon on www.mad-net.de. Bc is Basic Channel and main st is Main Street both german and strongly related to the GREAT german recordstore Hardwax (www.hardwax.com) You'll find all of their releases there. ((: Janos :))) On Wednesday 29 November 2000 03:27, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ppl scuse for being an uninformed dag like bc / main st / luomo...what is perlon / playhouse? ta p-d - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Metropolis on vinyl?
us - satellite records , temple records nyc, submerge Germany - hardwax : janos : On Wednesday 29 November 2000 06:14, darw_n wrote: Sorry, I know this has been discussed before, but after listening to Mills' Metropolis, I must find it on vinyl, anyone have any leads? darw_n create, demonstrate, toneshift... http://www.mp3.com/stations/clevelandunderground http://www.mp3.com/darw_n http://www.sphereproductions.com/topic/Darwin.html http://www.mannequinodd.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Track Id
Hi list, i was at the whisperMinistry of Sound/whisper this weekend and in the back room they were playing some slamming deepe house and tech-house..it was pretty good anyway. They played this one song with the vocals that went welcome to the jungle and things like i'm going to hunt you down and eat your flashvery scary stuffanyone know what track it is? thanks fab...your man in rome || Web Developer || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || || www.deepend.it || If we never looked at things and thought what they might be, we'd still be in the tall grass with the apes. Deepend Roma s.r.l. Via C.A. Racchia, 4 - 00195 Roma - ITALY T +39 06 37 51 23 58 F +39 06 37 51 23 26
New Transmat 12
Recently received the new Transmat release by Ian Pooley, which has been in the workd for quite some kind and is now released this month under the name of Quiet Daze. One track, 'November' (timely!) was on the Time:Spacecompilation from a year or two back. To quote the press release, The vinyl brings three more tracks representative of the modern dance sound that Transmat introduced to the world which is accurate enough from a first listen. Tracklisting: Quiet daze: Viewing A Decade EP (Transmat MS24) A: November/being Quiet B: The Scenic Route/Coming Full Circle At the bottom of the press release it says: Coming soon: Deeparture In Time LP [?!?] Fragile 20 - Art Of Vengeance II Actualization - Louis Haiman S'all, folks.
SLAM!
Got a copy of Slam' mixalbum 'past lessons/future theories' yesterday. This one rocks! cd 1 is more house and tech house (very deep) and cd 2 builds and builds very nicely only to end with a remix of their own 'positive education', a very good remix i must say (aaah memories), and mad mike' remix of 'knights of the jaguar'. Very good album indeed! Greetzzz, Martijn Searchline IIC Van Breestraat 154 P.O. Box 9292 1006 AG Amsterdam The Netherlands Tel: +31 (0)20 578 86 86 Fax: +31 (0)20 662 92 81 http://www.searchline-iic.com Disclaimer: This e-mail and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies(wich may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from Searchline IIC, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient.If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the system manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Re: [Re: [313] KDJ no show Glasgow]
my outlook has been: when DJs start making more money in a night than educators make in an entire year-we have a serious perspective problem going on. diana np:beth orton, for my morning tea From: Michael Kim [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] Re: [Re: [313] KDJ no show Glasgow] Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 05:17:03 - yeah, but money is what DJ'ing is all about, right? sickening. Mike From: Jason Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] Re: [Re: [313] KDJ no show Glasgow] Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:59:00 +1000 .Interesting comment ,BTW Paul okenfold(sp?) recieved $120,000 for new years eve 2000...spinning three gigs helicoptered from one to others when done @ $60,000 a pop... kinda puts $7500 in perspective , huh? _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
trading on napster
hi list! i would like to know if there is someone who has good detroit songs to trade on napster..i have many but i want more 'cuz i use to play them with my comp.thank you in advance! aziza :o) _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] stuff (attn: u.s. people)
to save people in the states shipping costs: we also got a bunch of basic channel, chain reaction, main street, maurizio, and rhythm sound restocks right now... and the limited rhythm sound 10 white label (rhythm sound meet the chosen brothers) should be in very soon. ani record time [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq# 33610265 ph 810.775.1550 fax 810.775.5830 - Original Message - From: Janos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 6:50 AM Subject: Re: [313] stuff Playhouse is german as well as Perlon. You'll find perlon on www.mad-net.de. Bc is Basic Channel and main st is Main Street both german and strongly related to the GREAT german recordstore Hardwax (www.hardwax.com) You'll find all of their releases there. ((: Janos :))) On Wednesday 29 November 2000 03:27, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ppl scuse for being an uninformed dag like bc / main st / luomo...what is perlon / playhouse? ta p-d - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
selfpromospam: live set stuff @ mp3.com
Live Set(Excerpt) is a home recording of the stuff I'm doing for my current live performances. The basic strategy is to collect loops in different categories (kicks, blines, percussion, breaks, leads, pads, effects) and play them from vaz modular with processing. So far I have about 75 loops collected -- some hoisted from finished tracks, some custom made. This is brought out 8 channels of my sound card into an analogue mixer (Behringer 1604a) with my beloved Ross rack delay on an effects loop. The goal is to do something like DJ-ing, but with many more mixing possibilities. I'm not 100% satisfied with this but I'm looking for feedback. In particular I need to work on matching up the tonal centers of basslines and the other samples better. kent williams -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jump.to/cornwarning -- Iowa's First Techno Record Label http://www.mp3.com/chaircrusher -- tunes
ford / detroit / nuff said
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Re: [313] Detroit Raves??
that was awful nice of you. how do you know s/he's not into the music? and who cares if s/he's not? a lot of people get attracted to the raves because of drugs, the scene, the reputation, whatever. what generally happens is that the people's intentions generally show in what they make of raves later on. there are people that get too old for the raves, there are people that get jaded, sure... but there will be the select few who really get into the music... even if they didn't appreciate the music to begin with. and to push that person into a stereotype isn't cool at all. Mike i agree with this. i didn't even know what the hell techno was until i went to my first rave a number of years ago. since then i've gone on to whole-heartedly embrace this genre of music. now i think its the best thing since sliced bread. the point is that i owe my cognizance of techno to 'raving.' (although such formerly underground activities are no longer AS integral for exposure to this once underground musical form as it has recently been proliferating mainstream culture). kyle
Something for those in Detroit area...
For those of you around the Detroit area who are in the mood for something a little experimental this weekend, you might want to check out what is going on at U of M -Rachael -- Forwarded message -- Date: 29 Nov 2000 05:07:36 - From: Carlos Hinojosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: entity sound mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: entity sound mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [sound] Digital Music Ensemble this weekend This weekend Digital Music Ensemble is exhibiting a multimedia show in the Media Union Video Studio. It will be very exciting. Please come and support these talented electronic musicians and artists. There will be food... Friday, December 1 7:00pm Installation opens 8:00pm Performance begins Saturday, December 2 7:00pm Installation opens 8:00pm Performance begins Sunday, December 3 2:00pm Installation opens _Carlos
Re: [313] Detroit Raves??
Detroit Rave promoters I believe have some of the Matthew Gerbasi MediaVest Detroit 248+458+8567 Presently your Future is History. Basi Kyle J Dupuy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/29/00 10:47AM that was awful nice of you. how do you know s/he's not into the music? and who cares if s/he's not? a lot of people get attracted to the raves because of drugs, the scene, the reputation, whatever. what generally happens is that the people's intentions generally show in what they make of raves later on. there are people that get too old for the raves, there are people that get jaded, sure... but there will be the select few who really get into the music... even if they didn't appreciate the music to begin with. and to push that person into a stereotype isn't cool at all. Mike i agree with this. i didn't even know what the hell techno was until i went to my first rave a number of years ago. since then i've gone on to whole-heartedly embrace this genre of music. now i think its the best thing since sliced bread. the point is that i owe my cognizance of techno to 'raving.' (although such formerly underground activities are no longer AS integral for exposure to this once underground musical form as it has recently been proliferating mainstream culture). kyle - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] stuff (attn: u.s. people)
and the limited rhythm sound 10 white label (rhythm sound meet the chosen brothers) should be in very soon. Whaaat? I heard from hardwax that it would only be available through them! Grrr Oh well. I've had it for a couple weeks now it's choice, though as my friend put it there's really not any techno in it, so if you're looking for stuff more like the Burial Mix records, it's not really like that. Basically, it's super, super deep reggae, very rootsy actually. Cheers, Bill -- http://www.chromedecay.org
Re: [313] trading on napster
Why don't you pay for the music instead of ripping artists and labels off ! : janos :)) On Wednesday 29 November 2000 15:35, aziza vasco wrote: hi list! i would like to know if there is someone who has good detroit songs to trade on napster..i have many but i want more 'cuz i use to play them with my comp.thank you in advance! aziza :o) ___ __ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] trading on napster
don't worry im going to pay a lot of money for my music 'cuz im going to buy decks and so many many vinyls but till this moment i go on ripping music on napster...have you got any problem about that? From: Janos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] trading on napster Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 16:54:37 +0100 Why don't you pay for the music instead of ripping artists and labels off ! : janos :)) On Wednesday 29 November 2000 15:35, aziza vasco wrote: hi list! i would like to know if there is someone who has good detroit songs to trade on napster..i have many but i want more 'cuz i use to play them with my comp.thank you in advance! aziza :o) ___ __ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] trading on napster
..and if you do...please take it private. d *seeing the strom brewing* From: aziza vasco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] trading on napster Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:36:53 +0100 don't worry im going to pay a lot of money for my music 'cuz im going to buy decks and so many many vinyls but till this moment i go on ripping music on napster...have you got any problem about that? From: Janos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] trading on napster Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 16:54:37 +0100 Why don't you pay for the music instead of ripping artists and labels off ! : janos :)) On Wednesday 29 November 2000 15:35, aziza vasco wrote: hi list! i would like to know if there is someone who has good detroit songs to trade on napster..i have many but i want more 'cuz i use to play them with my comp.thank you in advance! aziza :o) ___ __ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] Detroit Raves??
Yep it's a shame ! But they (Mr. Warwick UK ect.) are *maybe* working on electronic dr*gs witch is much cleaner ! ( I hope) They've made an implant that sends a electronic pulse every 5 minutes to the spinal tap or something witch prevents epileptic attacks :) DMT - Original Message - From: R Vincent [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mee-thod [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 2:49 AM Subject: Re: [313] Detroit Raves?? Actually i am speaking from much experience. I had to get out of that pathetic scene because it greatly offended me to see so many people only able to enjoy the music (the music which has changed my life significantly) when under the influence of drugs. I dont feel that drugs are a necessarily bad thing when done in careful moderation. But going to a rave and watching kevin saunderson THROW DOWN while the majority of the other people are too f*cked up to even comprehend or question the talent they are seeing/hearing does not create a good atmosphere IMHO. respect, robyn mee-thod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes thislist is about music and not drugs but raves aren't about drugs it's about atmosphere. don't believe all the bullshit u read and see in the media... propaganda *grin* and who cares if they r about drugs anyway?! we are adults with brains and can make intelligent informed decisions about both music and drugs... hell! and atmosphere. this might not be the right list for this dood but it may be... i'd love to go to a RAVE (ie. huge party with lasers) and hear *sigh* stardancer (have done in fact) or... any of the HUGE DETROIT ANTHEMS! reality... do do do do do do do do do emma mee-thod -it's in the way that you groove it- . here ends the self-righteous whinge about self-righteous anti-drug anti-personal responsibility propaganda pimped by white boy american 'democracy' . = For those who know stay low stay strong stay ready stay underground. For those who don't,learn. For those who'stole the soul',live in fear as the spirits will track you into your next life and beyond. Nothing good will come to you. - Mad Mike UR __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [313] selfpromospam and Cornwarning
Hi Kent, I was at Record Time last weekend and listened to the 1st Cornwarning release. Good job. I would have bought and I will the next time I see it. I had already spent too much money at Neptune in Royal Oak and I had to pickup the new double pack Fluxion release on Chain Reaction at Record Time. i'll listen to your mp3 tracks later. djr From: Kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 list 313@hyperreal.org, analog heaven [EMAIL PROTECTED], i'd do mary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [313] selfpromospam: live set stuff @ mp3.com Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:12:57 -0600 (CST) Live Set(Excerpt) is a home recording of the stuff I'm doing for my current live performances. The basic strategy is to collect loops in different categories (kicks, blines, percussion, breaks, leads, pads, effects) and play them from vaz modular with processing. So far I have about 75 loops collected -- some hoisted from finished tracks, some custom made. This is brought out 8 channels of my sound card into an analogue mixer (Behringer 1604a) with my beloved Ross rack delay on an effects loop. The goal is to do something like DJ-ing, but with many more mixing possibilities. I'm not 100% satisfied with this but I'm looking for feedback. In particular I need to work on matching up the tonal centers of basslines and the other samples better. kent williams -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jump.to/cornwarning -- Iowa's First Techno Record Label http://www.mp3.com/chaircrusher -- tunes - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] stuff
Perlon and Playhouse can be found here http://www.mad-net.de/ Fred From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Duke) Reply-To: Andrew Duke Cognition/In The Mix [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: c CC: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] stuff Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 22:32:20 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ppl scuse for being an uninformed dag like bc / main st / luomo...what is perlon / playhouse? Perlon and Playhouse are German labels. Hope this helps. Andrew Duke :) ta p-d - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Cognition/Andrew Duke's In The Mix 3rd annual Fundraising Auction for CKDU is now underway: http://techno.ca/cognition auction ends Wednesday November 29 at 12noon AST - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
http://www.recordcollectorinc.com
My friends here in Iowa City at the Record Collector have rolled out the web page for their record store: http://www.recordcollectorinc.com It's in it's infancy right now, but it's potentially another place to buy records at very decent prices. The Record Collector has been around for about 20 years and has been my shopping nexus almost that long. The staff are very knowledgeable about dance music, in addition to pretty much any other genre. Most of their stock is NOT on line, and if you have particular records you want, it wouldn't hurt to drop them a line and ask. Often they'll have one or two copies of things long after they disappear from distributor lists and big city record bins... My disclaimer: these guys have all been my friends for years, my son hangs out with Kirk (the owner)'s son, yadda yadda. In fact I think I may buy enough records from them to put his son through school ... kent williams -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jump.to/cornwarning -- Iowa's First Techno Record Label http://www.mp3.com/chaircrusher -- tunes
Re: [313] trading on napster
At 15:35 11/29/2000 +0100, aziza vasco wrote: hi list! i would like to know if there is someone who has good detroit songs to trade on napster..i have many but i want more 'cuz i use to play them with my comp.thank you in advance! aziza You want mp3's? You get mp3's! Here: http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/14/bo_v.html http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/27/christian_bloch.html http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/11/justin_berkovi.html http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/34/ruben_andersen.html http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/95/scout_-_elektronik_muzik.html http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/31/ultraydyne.html http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/54/transmat_timespace_tour.html http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/36/bjrn_svin__christian_blo1.html http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/88/diskordia.html Free! Legal! and totally wicked! Arse! R. *=- urL : http://www.casema.net/~rolando urL : http://www.mp3.com/scout303 icQ : 1D1243 (hexadecimal) -=*
Re: [313] Axis 23
I know that Mills originally had the idea for the Every Dog Has Its Day project over five years ago, as he asked Rob Hood to put in some songs for it at about that time. I beleive the project was waylayed when purposemaker took off. I don't think Rob yeilded any time towards Every Dog Has Its Day. Dennis From: Wibo Lammerts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Axis 23 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 08:10:01 +0100 This last sat I came accross Every dog has it's day pt.2 the latest by herr Mills. I have a feeling that these are all older tracks; could someone tell me what the story behind the idea/concept of this relases is? W - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
RE: [313] http://www.recordcollectorinc.com
http://www.recordcollectorinc.com I can definitely vouch for this store -- I've got friends in IC, and the first time I went out there in '94, I was surprised by how many great records they had (guess I didn't expect it from Iowa). I don't remember too much in specific (only been back twice), but I do remember being shocked at seeing the second copy of uZiq's Tango N' Vectif I'd ever seen -- after Sister Ray in London, no less... .John.
ford focus/no ufos article
heres a link to a story i wrote for sonicnet.com about the use of juan's song in the ford focus ad. it includes an interview with juan, a quote from carl craig and quotes from the ad agency that made the commercial. enjoy! http://www.sonicnet.com/news/story.jhtml?genreNameForDisplay=Dance%2FEle ctronicgenreDirectoryName=danceid=1324491 Eric Demby Dance/Electronic Music Editor, sonicnet.com 770 Broadway, 10th flr New York, NY 10003 212.654.9707 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.sonicnet.com/dance
Re: [313] http://www.recordcollectorinc.com
I can second all that Kent said below about the Record Collector. I've been buying records there for about ten years. Scott Stone is an employee there and fellow 313er. He is also their webgenius. He's extremely knowledgeable about all things in the world of German house and techno. Vince Woolums also used to be on 313, and he manages the store. Vince and I grew up together musically, and he's an authority on all sorts of stuff. Both Scott and Vince know all about Detroit and Chicago stuff too. Basically they get it all, listen to it all and can even make excellent recommendations once they get to know your taste. Also, the owner Kirk Walther is into a little of everything, and may be able to help you with your IDMish want lists. It's really cool to see the website take off, because I've been shopping there since there were only two bins of dance music. Now it takes up at least half the store. Tristan --- Kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My friends here in Iowa City at the Record Collector have rolled out the web page for their record store: http://www.recordcollectorinc.com It's in it's infancy right now, but it's potentially another place to buy records at very decent prices. The Record Collector has been around for about 20 years and has been my shopping nexus almost that long. The staff are very knowledgeable about dance music, in addition to pretty much any other genre. Most of their stock is NOT on line, and if you have particular records you want, it wouldn't hurt to drop them a line and ask. Often they'll have one or two copies of things long after they disappear from distributor lists and big city record bins... My disclaimer: these guys have all been my friends for years, my son hangs out with Kirk (the owner)'s son, yadda yadda. In fact I think I may buy enough records from them to put his son through school ... kent williams -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jump.to/cornwarning -- Iowa's First Techno Record Label http://www.mp3.com/chaircrusher -- tunes - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
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Flylife Radio Platinum Edition 11/29/2000: Listen to CJAM 91.5 tonight at 1200am if your interested in hearing a special Jeff Mills Mix for the first hour followed by part of a Dan Bell mix along with many other special audible treats. Yes, the show airs every Wednesday from 12am-2am. If you're not in the Detroit/Windsor area log in and listen at: http://www.uwindsor.ca/cjam/live.htm djr - hosting every other Wednesday jimmy g - hosting the other Wednesday _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
contact info please
I know some of this could be found in the archives but I was wondering if anyone could email me contact info (preferably email) for Jeff Mills and Carl Craig. -Rachael
nortroute.net broadcast taking off
starting with in 10 minutes. . please tune in http://nortroute.net expect new and old tunes from broad electronic genres. ranging from older detroit and electro stuff to new soulful idm, west-london tunes, detroit house and dubby berlin sounds. 20.00-23.00 gmt, 21.00-0.00 cet http://www.nortroute.net for more info
Redefinitions (was: Re: trading on napster)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Why don't you pay for the music instead of ripping artists and labels off ! [EMAIL PROTECTED]: don't worry im going to pay a lot of money for my music 'cuz im going to buy decks and so many many vinyls but till this moment i go on ripping music on napster...have you got any problem about that? You might think this is funny now... but... it won't be. What happens when the current techological barriers to widespread adoption of all-digital music performance-mixing are removed? That is to say, when the D in DJ will stand for Digital and not Disc. And yes, the word I used is when, not if. Vinyl can already be more easily replaced with a digital file; all we're waiting on is the interface. And who the hell is going to lug around a 50 lb. box of discs of plastic with little squiggly lines on them after they're presented with a quality alternative? I'd be interested in knowing when you think this will happen. Because when it does, I'd like to know what you think will happen to the small independent record labels because of it. Just some post-Thanksgiving food for thought... - Craig
RE: [313] Redefinitions (was: Re: trading on napster)
Vinyl and/or turntables will never die out. CD DJ decks have been out for over 5 years. Smaller sized units, digital sound, and CD's are a much physically smaller media with a ton more storage it would seem like a sure fire replacement... But, it hasn't caught on at all and most likely never will. You will never be able to manipulate a digital sound source the same way you can with the tactile analogue interface of a record on a platter. So you see, vinyl will never be replaced...sure the actual sounds can be replicated in digital form but the actual art of vinyl mixing won't die out. If anything, I think MP3 piracy in the dj domain actually helps music sales of most techno artists. Why? Because most underground techknows produce primarily on vinyl... and if I like the MP3 of the song, you can count on me searching out where I can pick it up on wax. GYS -Original Message- From: Craig Stodolenak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 3:29 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Redefinitions (was: Re: trading on napster) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Why don't you pay for the music instead of ripping artists and labels off ! [EMAIL PROTECTED]: don't worry im going to pay a lot of money for my music 'cuz im going to buy decks and so many many vinyls but till this moment i go on ripping music on napster...have you got any problem about that? You might think this is funny now... but... it won't be. What happens when the current techological barriers to widespread adoption of all-digital music performance-mixing are removed? That is to say, when the D in DJ will stand for Digital and not Disc. And yes, the word I used is when, not if. Vinyl can already be more easily replaced with a digital file; all we're waiting on is the interface. And who the hell is going to lug around a 50 lb. box of discs of plastic with little squiggly lines on them after they're presented with a quality alternative? I'd be interested in knowing when you think this will happen. Because when it does, I'd like to know what you think will happen to the small independent record labels because of it. Just some post-Thanksgiving food for thought... - Craig - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Redefinitions (was: Re: trading on napster)
But, it hasn't caught on at all and most likely never will. I can agree about cds but here are a couple of things I would like to one day be able to do, or see happen: technic 1200 midi controllers i'd love to see these made to control digital audio in a mixer so the digital medium can be played and interacted with like a turntable somehow or digial tables and digital mixer so you could eventually have a show where one dj mixes records and that digital signal is sent to the left table of another dj, and a third dj's mixing goes to the dj's right table and you can pitch adjust and mix to your hearts content on those two signals... complicated but impressive. oh yeah and i'd love to see one day a digital format, maybe double sided cd's/dvd's where one side controls lighting effects/visuals one side does the music that would add so many more dimensions to the mix i'd love it but yeah.. records...rah.
RE: [313] Redefinitions (was: Re: trading on napster)
i agree with GYS, if records and turntables were going to be misplaced..it woulkd have already happened. My friends and I always talk about how its ironic that we pump out the most futuristic music, with the most manual of instruments.
RE: [313] Redefinitions (was: Re: trading on napster)
I was in boston and I was in a bar where there was a CDJ definetly play two cd's together and beat maching them accordingly. I am not sure what type of equiptment he was using, but the mixing that he was coming from it was not one track end one track start. there was a definete third track created. I was a little drunk but I am sure that I was not imagining things. (does anyone know what type of equiptment he might of been using?) Matthew Gerbasi MediaVest Detroit 248+458+8567 Presently your Future is History. Basi Topping, Micah [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/29/00 04:07PM But, it hasn't caught on at all and most likely never will. I can agree about cds but here are a couple of things I would like to one day be able to do, or see happen: technic 1200 midi controllers i'd love to see these made to control digital audio in a mixer so the digital medium can be played and interacted with like a turntable somehow or digial tables and digital mixer so you could eventually have a show where one dj mixes records and that digital signal is sent to the left table of another dj, and a third dj's mixing goes to the dj's right table and you can pitch adjust and mix to your hearts content on those two signals... complicated but impressive. oh yeah and i'd love to see one day a digital format, maybe double sided cd's/dvd's where one side controls lighting effects/visuals one side does the music that would add so many more dimensions to the mix i'd love it but yeah.. records...rah. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Redefinitions (was: Re: trading on napster)
if records and turntables were going to be misplaced..it woulkd have already happened. My friends and I always talk about how its ironic that we pump out the most futuristic music, with the most manual of instruments. . I disagree. If there were an adequate alternative, say a mp3 player with the digital cueing capabilities that I currently have with my 1200s, I woudl switch in an instant. With these mp3 players, you could do midi quite easily (well for the consumer) and match effortlessly (even though would take some of the fun out of djing, as well as some frustration -- for me at least). I suggest reading The Next Economy of Ideas by John Perry Barlow, which was in the August issue of Wired (http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/8.10/download.html) When Craig said: I'd be interested in knowing when you think this will happen. Because when it does, I'd like to know what you think will happen to the small independent record labels because of it. This paper came to mind. In response to you, here is what I forsee as happening: Some of the independent record labels out there will fail due to financial difficulties. These could be brought on by an all digital trading network, BUT I think if te independent record labels play their cards right and get hip with the times (i hate the phrase), then they may be able to capitalize on the coming revolution of the Internet and our economy by producing and capitlaizing on digital content. I know that if I had the opportunity to purchase high quality mp3s at a reasonable price, or have a website allow me to preview the music, then pay with my credit card (similar to what one would do at a record shop) and allow me to redownload this purchase in case of a systems crash, I would be happy to pay my tribute to the artists. As Barlow shows: Nope. Most white-collar jobs already consist of mind work. The vast majority of us live by our wits now, producing verbs - that is, ideas - rather than nouns like automobiles or toasters. Doctors, architects, executives, consultants, receptionists, televangelists, and lawyers all manage to survive economically without owning their cognition. I, for one, live in the verb producing world. As a consultant and manager, my ideas and thoughts (as well as experience) earn me a living. I think that this adaption could be extended towards musicians also. (As one international DJ I know said I can't believe these blokes actually pay me thousands of dollars to play music that I got for free.) When I go see a DJ or producer play their music, it not because I havent heard that type of music before, it is usually because I enjoy their style (aka their experience with their machines/tools) Any comments? -mike.davis
Dancefloor friendly?
I've been spinning house and techno with some sucess but i can't keep myself away from the older detroit labels like Red Planet and Transmat. I desprately want to start spinning this music but i have no idea if it is dancefloor friendly, which is important if i'm going to spend a lot of $$ on it. Does anyone have any experience in using this music to move a party or is it just becoming home-listening stuff (hopefully not)? Also have a lot of the same questions about electro... If yes, can someone point me to the direction of some essential tunes every detroit techno DJ must have? -Jon Schoning
Re: [313] Redefinitions (was: Re: trading on napster)
Yeah, that is definitely possible. During my (fortunately) brief 'DJ career' I had two CD units as part of the decks, so you could go from vinyl to vinyl, CD to CD, or vinyl to CD, etc. The CD unit works the same way so you can mix with the cross fader or volume controls. The CD unit also allows you to sample part of the track and replay it. It is damn cool but real expensive to acquire one - I wanted one and asked one of the club promoters. The good thing is that it allowed you to play things that you couldn't get on vinyl. I don't know anymore technical specs than that but I may be able to ask someone for more info or maybe someone else on the list will know. I was in boston and I was in a bar where there was a CDJ definetly play two cd's together and beat maching them accordingly. I am not sure what type of equiptment he was using, but the mixing that he was coming from it was not one track end one track start. there was a definete third track created. I was a little drunk but I am sure that I was not imagining things. (does anyone know what type of equiptment he might of been using?)
Re: [313] Dancefloor friendly?
i don't think electro is dance-friendly...but this is just a personal bias. i think damn near all of the transmat stuff is eminently dance-friendlybut then again, this too is a personal bias. the hard question for me was always how to mix them...tunes like NUDE PHOTO for example i could never get a handle on. peace lks
Re: [313] Redefinitions (was: Re: trading on napster)
I may have missed this. Sorry. I agree with you - I love the look and feel of vinyl. However, in Australia (that's my sphere of reference) where you find CD decks is in RB clubs as there is a limited amount of wax coming in for DJs. The market is growing and it is being serviced but DJs want to play the big tracks - your Nelly or Mystikal or whatever - as they are blowing up in the US or before not a month after, so instead of waiting for the local labels to get with it they turn to Napster or get the CD album on import. It also means that Australian DJs can break a track on a CD album of their own choice instead of being restricted to what they are being serviced by labels - ie the surefire things like Jennifer Lopez, DMX, etc. The import stores like Hardware or Octave or whatever are only bringing in 'dance' vinyl - techno, house, etc. It is near impossible to get an RB/hip-hop album on vinyl. Vinyl and/or turntables will never die out. CD DJ decks have been out for over 5 years. Smaller sized units, digital sound, and CD's are a much physically smaller media with a ton more storage it would seem like a sure fire replacement...
Re: [313] Dancefloor friendly?
A weird question! Have you spun out at clubs/raves/house parties? What do your friends say when you show your skills to them? If people are giving you enough feedback then you should already know the answer :) Pick up one or two detroit records and try to weave them in. See what people think. Look up while you are spinning! On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Jon Schoning wrote: I've been spinning house and techno with some sucess but i can't keep myself away from the older detroit labels like Red Planet and Transmat. I desprately want to start spinning this music but i have no idea if it is dancefloor friendly, which is important if i'm going to spend a lot of $$ on it. Does anyone have any experience in using this music to move a party or is it just becoming home-listening stuff (hopefully not)? Also have a lot of the same questions about electro... If yes, can someone point me to the direction of some essential tunes every detroit techno DJ must have? -Jon Schoning - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It is if you have the right crowd and environment. If you are playing a mega rave, forget it. Raves attract younger people who don't know the music and are usually experimenting with drugs - or at least that is how it pans out here. In a club you usually get an older crowd who have been there and done that and will appreciate it or recognise the calibre of the material. I think the DJs (Mills, Hawtin, etc) know this as they play very differently according to venue. Again I base this on my own backyard of Syd and Melb, I don't know how it varies os. I've been spinning house and techno with some sucess but i can't keep myself away from the older detroit labels like Red Planet and Transmat. I desprately want to start spinning this music but i have no idea if it is dancefloor friendly, which is important if i'm going to spend a lot of $$ on it. Does anyone have any experience in using this music to move a party or is it just becoming home-listening stuff (hopefully not)? Also have a lot of the same questions about electro... If yes, can someone point me to the direction of some essential tunes every detroit techno DJ must have? -Jon Schoning - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Redefinitions (was: Re: trading on napster)
that's why it's got soul ;) Christian Bloch www.mp3.com/bloch Tresor/LL/Deep Night Essentials/Simple Muzik/Funque Droppings/Set.Go - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 10:11 PM Subject: RE: [313] Redefinitions (was: Re: trading on napster) i agree with GYS, if records and turntables were going to be misplaced..it woulkd have already happened. My friends and I always talk about how its ironic that we pump out the most futuristic music, with the most manual of instruments. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Redefinitions (was: Re: trading on napster)
AMEN! Christian Bloch www.mp3.com/bloch Tresor/LL/Deep Night Essentials/Simple Muzik/Funque Droppings/Set.Go - Original Message - From: Todd Gys [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Craig Stodolenak' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 9:57 PM Subject: RE: [313] Redefinitions (was: Re: trading on napster) Vinyl and/or turntables will never die out. CD DJ decks have been out for over 5 years. Smaller sized units, digital sound, and CD's are a much physically smaller media with a ton more storage it would seem like a sure fire replacement... But, it hasn't caught on at all and most likely never will. You will never be able to manipulate a digital sound source the same way you can with the tactile analogue interface of a record on a platter. So you see, vinyl will never be replaced...sure the actual sounds can be replicated in digital form but the actual art of vinyl mixing won't die out. If anything, I think MP3 piracy in the dj domain actually helps music sales of most techno artists. Why? Because most underground techknows produce primarily on vinyl... and if I like the MP3 of the song, you can count on me searching out where I can pick it up on wax. GYS -Original Message- From: Craig Stodolenak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 3:29 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Redefinitions (was: Re: trading on napster) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Why don't you pay for the music instead of ripping artists and labels off ! [EMAIL PROTECTED]: don't worry im going to pay a lot of money for my music 'cuz im going to buy decks and so many many vinyls but till this moment i go on ripping music on napster...have you got any problem about that? You might think this is funny now... but... it won't be. What happens when the current techological barriers to widespread adoption of all-digital music performance-mixing are removed? That is to say, when the D in DJ will stand for Digital and not Disc. And yes, the word I used is when, not if. Vinyl can already be more easily replaced with a digital file; all we're waiting on is the interface. And who the hell is going to lug around a 50 lb. box of discs of plastic with little squiggly lines on them after they're presented with a quality alternative? I'd be interested in knowing when you think this will happen. Because when it does, I'd like to know what you think will happen to the small independent record labels because of it. Just some post-Thanksgiving food for thought... - Craig - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Redefinitions (was: Re: trading on napster)
it's no problem beat matching with cdj players, it just hasn't got the funk! Christian Bloch www.mp3.com/bloch Tresor/LL/Deep Night Essentials/Simple Muzik/Funque Droppings/Set.Go - Original Message - From: Matthew Gerbasi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 10:16 PM Subject: RE: [313] Redefinitions (was: Re: trading on napster) I was in boston and I was in a bar where there was a CDJ definetly play two cd's together and beat maching them accordingly. I am not sure what type of equiptment he was using, but the mixing that he was coming from it was not one track end one track start. there was a definete third track created. I was a little drunk but I am sure that I was not imagining things. (does anyone know what type of equiptment he might of been using?) Matthew Gerbasi MediaVest Detroit 248+458+8567 Presently your Future is History. Basi Topping, Micah [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/29/00 04:07PM But, it hasn't caught on at all and most likely never will. I can agree about cds but here are a couple of things I would like to one day be able to do, or see happen: technic 1200 midi controllers i'd love to see these made to control digital audio in a mixer so the digital medium can be played and interacted with like a turntable somehow or digial tables and digital mixer so you could eventually have a show where one dj mixes records and that digital signal is sent to the left table of another dj, and a third dj's mixing goes to the dj's right table and you can pitch adjust and mix to your hearts content on those two signals... complicated but impressive. oh yeah and i'd love to see one day a digital format, maybe double sided cd's/dvd's where one side controls lighting effects/visuals one side does the music that would add so many more dimensions to the mix i'd love it but yeah.. records...rah. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I think elektro is extremely dance friendly..talk about body poppin!!! - Original Message - From: Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jon Schoning [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 11:00 PM Subject: Re: [313] Dancefloor friendly? i don't think electro is dance-friendly...but this is just a personal bias. i think damn near all of the transmat stuff is eminently dance-friendlybut then again, this too is a personal bias. the hard question for me was always how to mix them...tunes like NUDE PHOTO for example i could never get a handle on. peace lks - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Craig Stodolenak wrote: Vinyl can already be more easily replaced with a digital file; all we're waiting on is the interface. And who the hell is going to lug around a 50 lb. box of discs of plastic with little squiggly lines on them after they're presented with a quality alternative? Vinyl is still king among DJs, and it won't go away any time soon. There are loads of tricks you can do with records, as a performer, that you can't do with CDs, and most certainly can't do with MP3 files. No one has topped vinyl for sheer intuitive user interface. Then there's the issue of vinyl sound, and I won't get into vinyl vs cd issues, except to say that the vinyl of my record sounds better to me than the CD it was mastered from. You can buy an electronic piano now, or a Steinway. For any of a huge number of reasons, Electronic keyboards will never replace real Pianos. I think the same holds for vinyl -- there will be a place for it alongside CDs for a long time to come.
Re: [313] Redefinitions (was: Re: trading on napster)
I think the idea of digital media overtaking vinyl is not impossible, but still pretty far off, considering as Todd said cd decks have been commercially available for about 5 years and I know they are all over Europe and North America, yet still very few DJ's use them. Most of the units I have used or seen have included pitch control which for the amount I've seen it being used, seems to be a useless feature (case in point Robert De La Gautier cd'ed it for about half an hour during a set not mixing once). In addition in the UK I know some of the top clubs have pitchable MD (minidisc) decks. The first I heard of them was about two years ago when Aphex Twin used them at a gig somewhere in London (I think, not sure though). While this equipment has been pushed into the market over the past few years, I still sell more turntables than cd players everyday. The market isn't opening for them either in fact in Canada it's closing, the cd mixing market is slowing down, vinyl is picking up. Besides anyone who has used digital cueing and scratching knows that it is NOTHING like the hands on feel of vinyl. Cheers todd - Original Message - From: Todd Gys [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Craig Stodolenak' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 12:57 PM Subject: RE: [313] Redefinitions (was: Re: trading on napster) Vinyl and/or turntables will never die out. CD DJ decks have been out for over 5 years. Smaller sized units, digital sound, and CD's are a much physically smaller media with a ton more storage it would seem like a sure fire replacement... But, it hasn't caught on at all and most likely never will. You will never be able to manipulate a digital sound source the same way you can with the tactile analogue interface of a record on a platter. So you see, vinyl will never be replaced...sure the actual sounds can be replicated in digital form but the actual art of vinyl mixing won't die out. If anything, I think MP3 piracy in the dj domain actually helps music sales of most techno artists. Why? Because most underground techknows produce primarily on vinyl... and if I like the MP3 of the song, you can count on me searching out where I can pick it up on wax. GYS -Original Message- From: Craig Stodolenak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 3:29 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Redefinitions (was: Re: trading on napster) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Why don't you pay for the music instead of ripping artists and labels off ! [EMAIL PROTECTED]: don't worry im going to pay a lot of money for my music 'cuz im going to buy decks and so many many vinyls but till this moment i go on ripping music on napster...have you got any problem about that? You might think this is funny now... but... it won't be. What happens when the current techological barriers to widespread adoption of all-digital music performance-mixing are removed? That is to say, when the D in DJ will stand for Digital and not Disc. And yes, the word I used is when, not if. Vinyl can already be more easily replaced with a digital file; all we're waiting on is the interface. And who the hell is going to lug around a 50 lb. box of discs of plastic with little squiggly lines on them after they're presented with a quality alternative? I'd be interested in knowing when you think this will happen. Because when it does, I'd like to know what you think will happen to the small independent record labels because of it. Just some post-Thanksgiving food for thought... - Craig - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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beat me to it but umm...yeah, what he said ;p btw...a BIG thanks to everyone who filled out and returned my survey to me. u all ROCK! bekka=) - Original Message - From: fab137 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 5:15 PM Subject: [313] R: [313] Dancefloor friendly? I think elektro is extremely dance friendly..talk about body poppin!!! ___ Why pay for something you could get for free? NetZero provides FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html
trading on napster / digital mixing
I'm always surprised at how reactionary people get when the subject of replacing turntables with a superior (yet not so sentimental) alternative comes up. You'd think someone had suggested to the pope that the earth isn't the center of the universe! surprisingly enough, the technics sl-1200mk2 is not the center of the universe either. Think about it - have we stuck with vinyl thus far because it's the best possible solution? No. We've stuck with it because it's been the only possible solution. Sure, there's some nostalgic value in the image of Grandmaster Flash on the decks in the early 80s. But things have moved on since then. There are 3 things happening right now that suggest that we will have a viable non-vinyl mixing format in the near future: 1) Digital music technology is just starting to develop. Witness all the incredible things that've come out in the last year - Audio programs like Reaktor and Reason, Mixers with effects built in, optical crossfaders, cheap cd burning technology, and let's not forget the thing that started this whole discussion: napster. All of these things have a potential to change what a DJ does. 2) There's money in the DJ Equipment business. There never used to be. Take a look at a PSSL catalog from a year ago, and compare it to a current one. If there's one positive aspect to the push for mainstreaming of electonic music in america, this is it. Everyone wants to be a DJ, and this allows vestax or whoever to actually put money into newer and better products. Laser crossfaders, EQ kills, dj-oriented effects units, these things are just the beginning. 3) people are aleady working on it. I forget the url right now, but there's already a product that interfaces between a turntable and a computer, allowing you to play mp3s the same way you'd play a record. This is an actual product, available now. The reason you don't hear more about it already is because it's being made by a couple kids in belgium out of their garage, and it only runs on BeOS. Don't be too surprised when some major equipment manufacturer picks it up, develops a version for windows, and starts mass-marketing it. We're really not that far away. The only possible reason i can see for sticking by vinyl as better alternatives come to market is sentimentality. There's a place for nostalgia, but getting so caught up in it that you are blind to everything else is just dumb. anyway that's my long, inarticulate rant. I like vinyl just as much as the rest of you. But it's not the end-all, be-all medium for mixing music. chris
Re: [313] trading on napster / digital mixing
I wasn't really damning it, it just interested me... But I personally like vinyl because it is tangible, and highly manipulated via the simplest process-using your fingers... I don't stick with it for sentimental reasons, its the simplicity that attracts me... Oh, and your record will never crash, or you needle with never have an irq conflict... But by all means, download and mix!! I just wish I could afford a record lath, and see what trouble I can cause with that and DSL!!! ;-] darw_n create, demonstrate, toneshift... http://www.mp3.com/stations/clevelandunderground http://www.mp3.com/darw_n http://www.sphereproductions.com/topic/Darwin.html http://www.mannequinodd.com - Original Message - From: Chris Ege [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 3:39 PM Subject: [313] trading on napster / digital mixing I'm always surprised at how reactionary people get when the subject of replacing turntables with a superior (yet not so sentimental) alternative comes up. You'd think someone had suggested to the pope that the earth isn't the center of the universe! surprisingly enough, the technics sl-1200mk2 is not the center of the universe either. Think about it - have we stuck with vinyl thus far because it's the best possible solution? No. We've stuck with it because it's been the only possible solution. Sure, there's some nostalgic value in the image of Grandmaster Flash on the decks in the early 80s. But things have moved on since then. There are 3 things happening right now that suggest that we will have a viable non-vinyl mixing format in the near future: 1) Digital music technology is just starting to develop. Witness all the incredible things that've come out in the last year - Audio programs like Reaktor and Reason, Mixers with effects built in, optical crossfaders, cheap cd burning technology, and let's not forget the thing that started this whole discussion: napster. All of these things have a potential to change what a DJ does. 2) There's money in the DJ Equipment business. There never used to be. Take a look at a PSSL catalog from a year ago, and compare it to a current one. If there's one positive aspect to the push for mainstreaming of electonic music in america, this is it. Everyone wants to be a DJ, and this allows vestax or whoever to actually put money into newer and better products. Laser crossfaders, EQ kills, dj-oriented effects units, these things are just the beginning. 3) people are aleady working on it. I forget the url right now, but there's already a product that interfaces between a turntable and a computer, allowing you to play mp3s the same way you'd play a record. This is an actual product, available now. The reason you don't hear more about it already is because it's being made by a couple kids in belgium out of their garage, and it only runs on BeOS. Don't be too surprised when some major equipment manufacturer picks it up, develops a version for windows, and starts mass-marketing it. We're really not that far away. The only possible reason i can see for sticking by vinyl as better alternatives come to market is sentimentality. There's a place for nostalgia, but getting so caught up in it that you are blind to everything else is just dumb. anyway that's my long, inarticulate rant. I like vinyl just as much as the rest of you. But it's not the end-all, be-all medium for mixing music. chris - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Redefinitions (was: Re: trading on napster)
hmmm... I'd say that turntables will go the way of the guitar (that they've replaced). Sure guitars are still played, but are our kids going to be right into what we listen to? How many people these days are right into Motown or Duke Ellington (for example)? Many respect it (and many haven't heard enough, but there is too much recorded music now to digest properly I think), but their statements have already been made. So you can't go out and be a part of a great Jazz show the way you could when it was cutting everything else. Different periods of time value different sounds in music. Maybe a computer mixer that can play unlimited tracks similtaneously with sounds you make and samples and wave files and loops, will have an easier time generating music that people will want to hear in 20 years? Now I'm not attacking anything about what's going on these days that I love, but imo it has to pass. my $0.02 Rich:) i agree with GYS, if records and turntables were going to be misplaced..it woulkd have already happened. My friends and I always talk about how its ironic that we pump out the most futuristic music, with the most manual of instruments. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
Re: [313] trading on napster / digital mixing
I'm always surprised at how reactionary people get when the subject of replacing turntables with a superior (yet not so sentimental) alternative comes up. You'd think someone had suggested to the pope that the earth isn't the center of the universe! surprisingly enough, the technics sl-1200mk2 is not the center of the universe either. Think about it - have we stuck with vinyl thus far because it's the best possible solution? No. We've stuck with it because it's been the only possible solution. Sure, there's some nostalgic value in the image of Grandmaster Flash on the decks in the early 80s. But things have moved on since then. There are 3 things happening right now that suggest that we will have a viable non-vinyl mixing format in the near future: 1) Digital music technology is just starting to develop. Witness all the incredible things that've come out in the last year - Audio programs like Reaktor and Reason, Mixers with effects built in, optical crossfaders, cheap cd burning technology, and let's not forget the thing that started this whole discussion: napster. All of these things have a potential to change what a DJ does. 2) There's money in the DJ Equipment business. There never used to be. Take a look at a PSSL catalog from a year ago, and compare it to a current one. If there's one positive aspect to the push for mainstreaming of electonic music in america, this is it. Everyone wants to be a DJ, Except me !! and this allows vestax or whoever to actually put money into newer and better products. Laser crossfaders, EQ kills, dj-oriented effects units, these things are just the beginning. 3) people are aleady working on it. I forget the url right now, but there's already a product that interfaces between a turntable and a computer, allowing you to play mp3s the same way you'd play a record. This is an actual product, available now. The reason you don't hear more about it already is because it's being made by a couple kids in belgium out of their garage, and it only runs on BeOS. Don't be too surprised when some major equipment manufacturer picks it up, develops a version for windows, and starts mass-marketing it. We're really not that far away. John Acquaviva demonstrated this software to me in Boston @ the start of the Plus 8 tour. It was the first time he or Rich had taken a test drive with this software out of the lab and in a gigging situation. John was mixing from vinyl to MP3 and back to vinyl and I could definitely hear a graininess to the MP3's as well as a lot less Ooomph in the low end and more low end distortion. John thought that it all depends on how the MP3 is encoded. It did work impressively though. At soundcheck he did some radical pitch changing with the turntable and the MP3 hung right in there. Turntable was the MASTER and the MP3 was the SLAVE. For a DJ like John, who loves to travel with too many records anyway, he'll now be able to encode his whole library and still only take 2 record boxes. Blessing or Curse? We'll eventually find out. Telepathic regards, The Kooky Scientist The only possible reason i can see for sticking by vinyl as better alternatives come to market is sentimentality. There's a place for nostalgia, but getting so caught up in it that you are blind to everything else is just dumb. anyway that's my long, inarticulate rant. I like vinyl just as much as the rest of you. But it's not the end-all, be-all medium for mixing music. chris -- Upcoming Gigs: Dec. 16th - Rhythm Addict / Evansville, IN. Dec. 23rd - Detroit, MI Try the Plus 8 Classics/Sonic Foundry Acid contest REDUX @ http://www.acidplanet.com/plus8/ TELEPATHICA P.O.B. 80337Boston, MA02180-0010 U.S.A. FX 781-438-3919 MP3 Audio Samples @ http://www.mp3.com/FredGiannelli
Re: [313] trading on napster / digital mixing
I don't stick with it for sentimental reasons, its the simplicity that attracts me... whose to say a simpler, more intuitive interface can't be created? Oh, and your record will never crash, or you needle with never have an irq conflict... your records can warp, your needles can break. There are problems with every medium. Imagine if there was a good digital solution! You wouldn't have to spend thousands of dollars on a lathe and $30 for a blank acetate that wears out after 20 plays. The point that everyone's missing is that a better solution can be devised. True, vinyl is still the best solution. But we're quickly approaching a point where it won't be anymore. it won't be long till someone comes up with a truly elegant and intuitive interface for mixing digitally. Pretending it won't happen is silly. chris
