Re: (313) radio boy one final time
-- Original Message -- From: Dennis DeSantis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >What I object to is a form of political protest that involves BUYING the >things being protested against. i would have to say that there's a large philosophical difference between mindless consumption of lowest common denominator goods and the purchase of said goods for use in radioboy style demonstration. in fact, i find something almost fantastic about abusing the purchase by turning it around on the corporations. i think his protest is more against the complacent mindset of the people than the specific products themselves. changing the mindset of people will harm all corporations, not just the ones he targets. >If, as Tom suggested, for every Big Mac or Starbucks latte that Herbert >purchases for use in his shows, 5 people decide never to spend money at >those companies again, then he´s done something wonderful and powerful. > But there´s simply no way to know. there's no way to ever be sure if any form of protest is working. i dont think that means you should quit or change strategy unless you can see for sure that it ISNT working. im sure herbert gets his share of email telling him about positive effects his politically motivated music has on people. we cant see those, but im sure they exist. >No one at any level of the McDonalds or Starbucks corporate hierarchy >could care less what you do with their products AFTER you´ve paid for >them. Companies don´t exist to make products. They exist to make >profits. And unless Herbert KNOWS that he´s decreasing sales, then he´s >doing more harm than good. i absolutely disagree with that part of your argument. plenty of designer brands have expressed irritation with hiphop stars for name dropping them, in effect dropping their prestige factor but also undoubtedl increasing sales. right now herbert is a small time kind of performer, but if his crowds increase, those corporations will care, im sure of it. >One more time: I´m NOT blasting him for taking a stand. I think his >writings on the subject of corporate bloat are brilliant, his music even >more so. you can look at this through the pessimist's eyes: one person buying or not buying these products isnt going to make a difference. this is why what he does almost MUST be more efficient than simply not spending money on the products. with the amount of commerce generated by the radio boy performances ($100 tops per show? maybe even less, id bet.) its not going to make a difference, especially when you consider the possible positive effects. tom tom andythepooh.com
Re: (313) radio boy one final time
Mark S. Krüx wrote: So if he stole 'em you'd be down with it?? Absolutely ;) Dennis DeSantis www.dennisdesantis.com
Re: (313) radio boy one final time
So if he stole 'em you'd be down with it?? - Original Message - From: "Dennis DeSantis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Nicole Slavin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 6:24 PM Subject: Re: (313) radio boy one final time > Nicole Slavin wrote: > > On > > stage, his musicians tear up Conservative newspapers and sample the effects, > > to name but one thing he does. It's an amazingly entertaining and original > > way to convey his protest. > > Again, I don´t for a minute think that artists shouldn´t infuse their > work with political activism. I do it all the time. > > What I object to is a form of political protest that involves BUYING the > things being protested against. > > If, as Tom suggested, for every Big Mac or Starbucks latte that Herbert > purchases for use in his shows, 5 people decide never to spend money at > those companies again, then he´s done something wonderful and powerful. > But there´s simply no way to know. And if that ISN´T the result, then > what you end up with is Herbert buying Big Macs and Starbucks lattes, > which is all McDonalds and Starbucks ever wanted him to do in the first > place. > > No one at any level of the McDonalds or Starbucks corporate hierarchy > could care less what you do with their products AFTER you´ve paid for > them. Companies don´t exist to make products. They exist to make > profits. And unless Herbert KNOWS that he´s decreasing sales, then he´s > doing more harm than good. > > One more time: I´m NOT blasting him for taking a stand. I think his > writings on the subject of corporate bloat are brilliant, his music even > more so. > > -- > Dennis DeSantis > www.dennisdesantis.com > >
Re: (313) radio boy one final time
Nicole Slavin wrote: On stage, his musicians tear up Conservative newspapers and sample the effects, to name but one thing he does. It's an amazingly entertaining and original way to convey his protest. Again, I don´t for a minute think that artists shouldn´t infuse their work with political activism. I do it all the time. What I object to is a form of political protest that involves BUYING the things being protested against. If, as Tom suggested, for every Big Mac or Starbucks latte that Herbert purchases for use in his shows, 5 people decide never to spend money at those companies again, then he´s done something wonderful and powerful. But there´s simply no way to know. And if that ISN´T the result, then what you end up with is Herbert buying Big Macs and Starbucks lattes, which is all McDonalds and Starbucks ever wanted him to do in the first place. No one at any level of the McDonalds or Starbucks corporate hierarchy could care less what you do with their products AFTER you´ve paid for them. Companies don´t exist to make products. They exist to make profits. And unless Herbert KNOWS that he´s decreasing sales, then he´s doing more harm than good. One more time: I´m NOT blasting him for taking a stand. I think his writings on the subject of corporate bloat are brilliant, his music even more so. -- Dennis DeSantis www.dennisdesantis.com
(313) movement a go?
http://www.movementfestival.com/ sure looks like it. tom andythepooh.com
Re: (313) radio boy one final time
-- Original Message -- From: "/0" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >its just my opinion. > >I make music too, and I dont think I would feel right taking my time that >people had paid for to make them music to instead talk about politics. its >just a difference in opinion :) IMO a person's politics are part of themselves and as such should be on some level a part of their music. i expect the music i listen to to be influenced by art, literature, film, political values, personal history, etc. its all essential. tom andythepooh.com
(313) looking for chicago promoters/enthusiasts ...
If you're in Chicago, and promote shows, or hang out with people who promote shows, drop me a line. I'm bringing a fairly well-known techno producer to do a live set to Iowa City Saturday April 27. If you want to do a show in Chicago Friday, April 26th, this gentleman is willing to play for a very reasonable fee. Then, I can do a flight share with the Chi-town promoter for a flight from Pittsburgh. And without saying who it is, 313'ers should know who I'm talking about ;-)
Re: (313) radio boy one final time
-- Original Message -- From: "/0" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >perhaps, but then thats where I come in. > >Im paying to listen to your music, not to give you a venue to push your >beliefs on me in hope of winning me over. > >I know, this thread is useless, but it would be great conversation were we >all playing records and drinking some beer :) his radioboy music is inseparable from the politics of it. its like UR, if youre not into their politics, youre missing a large point of the music. it would be like listening to white power punk because you like the beat but are ignorant of the politics. some of my favorite musicians mesh their music with the political views: fela kuti, mad mike, james brown, moodymann, etc. tom andythepooh.com
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> its just my opinion. That's fine. It's a discussion, you're supposed to give your views. I don't think you need to explain that, it goes without saying :) > I make music too, and I dont think I would feel right taking my time that > people had paid for to make them music to instead talk about politics. its > just a difference in opinion :) I buy and listen to lots of music and appreciate hearing my views and those of many others (the type of view that is not often conveyed by our other forms of media) so creatively stated. Each to their own but i don't disparage anyone who wants to express their views. After all, it certaintly hasn't stopped him from making great music. And as for someone pushing their beliefs on others, people are doing that every time you read a paper, switch on the telly, go to the supermarket, etc. Nway, it's a good discussion :) > - Original Message - > From: "Nicole Slavin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "/0" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > <313@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 4:54 PM > Subject: Re: (313) radio boy one final time > > > > This is not a useless thread, it addresses issues that are relevant to all > > of us within a musical context. > > Herbert is asking you to think about these things, do you really object to > > that sort of request? Why? If you understand the issues and respond to > them > > already, then great. But others perhaps don't or enjoy engaging with them. > > Herbert's views are political. These inform all of his work, not just > > Radioboy. His Big Band project is another that is quite overt about this. > On > > stage, his musicians tear up Conservative newspapers and sample the > effects, > > to name but one thing he does. It's an amazingly entertaining and original > > way to convey his protest. Furthermore, some of his record sleeves have > > recommended reading of works that support his beliefs. > > It is this refusal to unquestioningly accept the status quo that is also > > evident in his innovative approach to music production, which has made him > > one of the most exciting artists around. > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "/0" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> > > Sent: 11 January 2004 20:11 > > Subject: Re: (313) radio boy one final time > > > > > > > perhaps, but then thats where I come in. > > > > > > Im paying to listen to your music, not to give you a venue to push your > > > beliefs on me in hope of winning me over. > > > > > > I know, this thread is useless, but it would be great conversation were > we > > > all playing records and drinking some beer :) > > > > > > -Joe > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <313@hyperreal.org> > > > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 3:15 PM > > > Subject: Re: (313) radio boy one final time > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Original Message -- > > > From: Dennis DeSantis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > >Will one guy boycotting the Gap change the world? Maybe not. > > > > > > > >The argument can swing the other way as well. > > > > > > > >I admire your idealism. Perhaps I´m just too much of a cynic. > > > But for > > > >me, keeping my money out of coporate coffers (and encouraging > > > others to > > > >do so as well) is a more powerful catalyst for change. > > > > > > well lets just say for the sake of argument that each show he does > > > as radioboy (which requires him to spend money on those products > > > which he is against) makes 5 people decide to cease spending their > > > money there for the rest of their lives. and they go through their > > > life telling people why theyre not into spending money there. its > > > a bit of a trickle down effect, but even at 5 converts per show, > > > the effect would be much greater than just him giving up spending > > > money at those corporations. > > > > > > tom > > > > > > > > > andythepooh.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: (313) radio boy one final time
I really can't be bothered with most of Herbert's musical output- it's been a long time since I bought any of his records but I did see him play at Sonar a year or two ago and was mildly amused by his live show. I've definitelty got a bit of respect for his decision to bring "real world" issues into the musical arena though and if you had paid to see him you would almost certainly know that he would be "pushing his opinions" at you- he's been pretty vocal (and articulate) about them for quite some time now (possibly room for critisism based on "preaching to the converted" I suppose but that would be churlish). cheers Jason On 11 Jan 2004, at 22:05, /0 wrote: its just my opinion. I make music too, and I dont think I would feel right taking my time that people had paid for to make them music to instead talk about politics. its just a difference in opinion :)
Re: (313) radio boy one final time
its just my opinion. I make music too, and I dont think I would feel right taking my time that people had paid for to make them music to instead talk about politics. its just a difference in opinion :) - Original Message - From: "Nicole Slavin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "/0" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 4:54 PM Subject: Re: (313) radio boy one final time > This is not a useless thread, it addresses issues that are relevant to all > of us within a musical context. > Herbert is asking you to think about these things, do you really object to > that sort of request? Why? If you understand the issues and respond to them > already, then great. But others perhaps don't or enjoy engaging with them. > Herbert's views are political. These inform all of his work, not just > Radioboy. His Big Band project is another that is quite overt about this. On > stage, his musicians tear up Conservative newspapers and sample the effects, > to name but one thing he does. It's an amazingly entertaining and original > way to convey his protest. Furthermore, some of his record sleeves have > recommended reading of works that support his beliefs. > It is this refusal to unquestioningly accept the status quo that is also > evident in his innovative approach to music production, which has made him > one of the most exciting artists around. > > - Original Message - > From: "/0" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> > Sent: 11 January 2004 20:11 > Subject: Re: (313) radio boy one final time > > > > perhaps, but then thats where I come in. > > > > Im paying to listen to your music, not to give you a venue to push your > > beliefs on me in hope of winning me over. > > > > I know, this thread is useless, but it would be great conversation were we > > all playing records and drinking some beer :) > > > > -Joe > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <313@hyperreal.org> > > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 3:15 PM > > Subject: Re: (313) radio boy one final time > > > > > > > > -- Original Message -- > > From: Dennis DeSantis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >Will one guy boycotting the Gap change the world? Maybe not. > > > > > >The argument can swing the other way as well. > > > > > >I admire your idealism. Perhaps I´m just too much of a cynic. > > But for > > >me, keeping my money out of coporate coffers (and encouraging > > others to > > >do so as well) is a more powerful catalyst for change. > > > > well lets just say for the sake of argument that each show he does > > as radioboy (which requires him to spend money on those products > > which he is against) makes 5 people decide to cease spending their > > money there for the rest of their lives. and they go through their > > life telling people why theyre not into spending money there. its > > a bit of a trickle down effect, but even at 5 converts per show, > > the effect would be much greater than just him giving up spending > > money at those corporations. > > > > tom > > > > > > andythepooh.com > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: (313) radio boy one final time
This is not a useless thread, it addresses issues that are relevant to all of us within a musical context. Herbert is asking you to think about these things, do you really object to that sort of request? Why? If you understand the issues and respond to them already, then great. But others perhaps don't or enjoy engaging with them. Herbert's views are political. These inform all of his work, not just Radioboy. His Big Band project is another that is quite overt about this. On stage, his musicians tear up Conservative newspapers and sample the effects, to name but one thing he does. It's an amazingly entertaining and original way to convey his protest. Furthermore, some of his record sleeves have recommended reading of works that support his beliefs. It is this refusal to unquestioningly accept the status quo that is also evident in his innovative approach to music production, which has made him one of the most exciting artists around. - Original Message - From: "/0" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: 11 January 2004 20:11 Subject: Re: (313) radio boy one final time > perhaps, but then thats where I come in. > > Im paying to listen to your music, not to give you a venue to push your > beliefs on me in hope of winning me over. > > I know, this thread is useless, but it would be great conversation were we > all playing records and drinking some beer :) > > -Joe > > - Original Message - > From: "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <313@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 3:15 PM > Subject: Re: (313) radio boy one final time > > > > -- Original Message -- > From: Dennis DeSantis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Will one guy boycotting the Gap change the world? Maybe not. > > > >The argument can swing the other way as well. > > > >I admire your idealism. Perhaps I´m just too much of a cynic. > But for > >me, keeping my money out of coporate coffers (and encouraging > others to > >do so as well) is a more powerful catalyst for change. > > well lets just say for the sake of argument that each show he does > as radioboy (which requires him to spend money on those products > which he is against) makes 5 people decide to cease spending their > money there for the rest of their lives. and they go through their > life telling people why theyre not into spending money there. its > a bit of a trickle down effect, but even at 5 converts per show, > the effect would be much greater than just him giving up spending > money at those corporations. > > tom > > > andythepooh.com > > > > > >
Re: (313) radio boy one final time
perhaps, but then thats where I come in. Im paying to listen to your music, not to give you a venue to push your beliefs on me in hope of winning me over. I know, this thread is useless, but it would be great conversation were we all playing records and drinking some beer :) -Joe - Original Message - From: "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 3:15 PM Subject: Re: (313) radio boy one final time -- Original Message -- From: Dennis DeSantis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Will one guy boycotting the Gap change the world? Maybe not. > >The argument can swing the other way as well. > >I admire your idealism. Perhaps I´m just too much of a cynic. But for >me, keeping my money out of coporate coffers (and encouraging others to >do so as well) is a more powerful catalyst for change. well lets just say for the sake of argument that each show he does as radioboy (which requires him to spend money on those products which he is against) makes 5 people decide to cease spending their money there for the rest of their lives. and they go through their life telling people why theyre not into spending money there. its a bit of a trickle down effect, but even at 5 converts per show, the effect would be much greater than just him giving up spending money at those corporations. tom andythepooh.com
Re: (313) radio boy one final time
-- Original Message -- From: Dennis DeSantis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Will one guy boycotting the Gap change the world? Maybe not. > >The argument can swing the other way as well. > >I admire your idealism. Perhaps I´m just too much of a cynic. But for >me, keeping my money out of coporate coffers (and encouraging others to >do so as well) is a more powerful catalyst for change. well lets just say for the sake of argument that each show he does as radioboy (which requires him to spend money on those products which he is against) makes 5 people decide to cease spending their money there for the rest of their lives. and they go through their life telling people why theyre not into spending money there. its a bit of a trickle down effect, but even at 5 converts per show, the effect would be much greater than just him giving up spending money at those corporations. tom andythepooh.com
Re: (313) Madga vs Magda
the hollywood song is the only one worth getting IMO :) - Original Message - From: "kj at technotourist dot org" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Nicole Slavin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "313 list" <313@hyperreal.org>; "Kent williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Dennis DeSantis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 12:12 PM Subject: Re: (313) Madga vs Magda > Radioboy is just a cause of Herbert reading to much of Naomi Klein's No > Logo's... it is also one of Herberts most boring projects anyway > > On 11-jan-04, at 14:48, Nicole Slavin wrote: > > > There's some info about why he does the Radioboy thing here: > > http://www.themechanicsofdestruction.org/ along with tracks to > > download. >
(313) james bucknell mix
James, your italo / disco mix has been on repeat play for the last few days! what a fun compilation of quirky and funky tunes. anyway if it's not any trouble can you please post the tracklisting as I unfortunately deleted the original digests with the link to free up space :( wouldnt mind hunting down the 2nd and 3rd track either for my electro set %] http://personals.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Personals New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time.
Re: (313) Madga vs Magda
Radioboy is just a cause of Herbert reading to much of Naomi Klein's No Logo's... it is also one of Herberts most boring projects anyway On 11-jan-04, at 14:48, Nicole Slavin wrote: There's some info about why he does the Radioboy thing here: http://www.themechanicsofdestruction.org/ along with tracks to download.
RE: (313) track ids please!
Second one's got Jamie Bissmire aka Bandulu written all over it - possibly one of his Foundation Soundworks releases. Just not sure which one. -- http://members.rogers.com/g.matrix -Original Message- From: /0 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 11:25 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) track ids please! http://www.emmrecords.com/~fux/id1.mp3 http://www.emmrecords.com/~fux/id2.mp3 please please please??? -Joe
Re: (313) radio boy one final time
Kent williams wrote: So ripping a pair of Gap Boxers equivalent to burning a flag. Will one guy change the world by doing it? Maybe not. Maybe he'll make a few people think about where their food and clothes and music comes from. Will one guy boycotting the Gap change the world? Maybe not. The argument can swing the other way as well. I admire your idealism. Perhaps I´m just too much of a cynic. But for me, keeping my money out of coporate coffers (and encouraging others to do so as well) is a more powerful catalyst for change. -- Dennis DeSantis www.dennisdesantis.com
Re: (313) radio boy one final time
So ripping a pair of Gap Boxers equivalent to burning a flag. Will one guy change the world by doing it? Maybe not. Maybe he'll make a few people think about where their food and clothes and music comes from. I like the notion of "hands ripping" becoming a sort of memento mori of commodification - a reminder of the hands/people who were a part of the production of (and then forgotten in) the thing which has been commodified. I agree with Kent here in that Herbert is doing something different than mere consumption; he's breaking the cycle and the icon in the process. Dennis' remark, though, carries in it the pertinent seeds of the real issue for those who dislike the notion of reducing human relationships to transactions : we all participate in the system which perpetuates that which we find abhorrent. (back to lurking) jeff
(313) radio boy one final time
Not to turn this into an argument, Dennis but I disagree with you that Herbert buying a few consumer items and then destroying them is nullified as a social comment by the fact that he spent money on them. Any he spent on the Radioboy tour was a rounding error economically for the corporations he targeted. Here's why I disagree: The wanton destruction of consumer items carries with it a sense of desecration. A Big Mac or a Britney Spears CD is only incidentally a utilitarian object. It is also a symbol, a talisman, a token of desire. What you're really buying is the lifestyle, aspirations, and dreams they have been crafted to represent. Buying and consuming them is a sacrament of global capitalism. Every day we make choices about what we consume, and most people literally buy into the dominant culture without giving it a second thought. The Mall has replaced the Church as the place people get their shared values. So ripping a pair of Gap Boxers equivalent to burning a flag. Will one guy change the world by doing it? Maybe not. Maybe he'll make a few people think about where their food and clothes and music comes from.
Re: (313) Madga vs Magda
Nicole Slavin wrote: So making public political protest is pointless? No. Making public political protest that involves contributing money to causes you´re protesting against is pointless. Let's all just sit back doing and saying nothing, that'll show 'em! I´m all for saying and doing lots. But putting money into their accounts doesn´t strike me as the most effective solution. Just because Herbert is making a more obvious political point, doesn't mean that it detracts from his brilliant music. I agree that the music is brilliant. But watching him destroy a McDonalds cup that he PAID FOR isn´t a political protest - it´s a contribution to McDonald´s. Ok, sorry to ruffle feathers on this one. It´s way off-topic, I know. I didn´t realize it´d keep going this far. I just think it´s important that people remain able to separate high-quality art from low-quality activism. -- Dennis DeSantis www.dennisdesantis.com
Re: (313) Madga vs Magda
So making public political protest is pointless? Let's all just sit back doing and saying nothing, that'll show 'em! Just because Herbert is making a more obvious political point, doesn't mean that it detracts from his brilliant music. Not to mention how interesting it makes his live shows. Anyone else see him at the RFH recently doing the big band thing? There's some info about why he does the Radioboy thing here: http://www.themechanicsofdestruction.org/ along with tracks to download. - Original Message - From: "Dennis DeSantis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Kent williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "313 list" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: 11 January 2004 02:04 Subject: Re: (313) Madga vs Magda > Kent williams wrote: > > He makes the promoter buy them ;-) > > > > I don't think it's about boycotting them, it's about destroying them. > > You have to buy them to destroy them but ... well he's not pure. To be > > pure about it, he'd have to steal them to destroy them, and that's just > > no practical. > > > I´m not a big fan of McDonalds either. So I don´t spend money there. Ever. > > I love Herbert´s music. But as a political statement, this stuff > has about the same socioeconomic effect as the French wine "boycott" > orchestrated by the American Right before the Iraq war. > > Once you give them your money, they´ve won. The game is over. > > -- > Dennis DeSantis > www.dennisdesantis.com >
(313) theo nova france track id
hi just wondering if someone could fill me in with the details for the track that plays 24 mins in on the theo parrish radio nova ,france mix at the deep house page (mix no 1033). Its a modern deep house track simple in nature but has a delayed out trumpet drone in the breakdown (hehe ;^) btw theres a new theo mix cd floating around called "when i snapped at the blue room" very ron hardy esk, my question is wheres the blue room? was anybody at this gig? later Sam -- Sam K [EMAIL PROTECTED] sub-sequence 2xx 98.3fm -- http://www.fastmail.fm - The professional email service
(313) odd request
hi, I have an odd request for you all... being based out of michigan and having not traveled a LOT, i need some people in new york, LA, SF, NY, and maybe some of the other bigger cities or good scenes in teh US to get me names of the good promoters and venues. I'm trying to help some rather well known friends from germany assemble a tour. reply off list I suppose, and just give me suggestions on where to start looking. Im new to this and just want to do what I can. thank you all for reading and for your help, -Joe
Re: (313) Madga vs Magda
well one thing is for sure, he's quite passionate about it. very very talented man though. - Joe - Original Message - From: "Dennis DeSantis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Kent williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "313 list" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 9:04 PM Subject: Re: (313) Madga vs Magda > Kent williams wrote: > > He makes the promoter buy them ;-) > > > > I don't think it's about boycotting them, it's about destroying them. > > You have to buy them to destroy them but ... well he's not pure. To be > > pure about it, he'd have to steal them to destroy them, and that's just > > no practical. > > > I´m not a big fan of McDonalds either. So I don´t spend money there. Ever. > > I love Herbert´s music. But as a political statement, this stuff > has about the same socioeconomic effect as the French wine "boycott" > orchestrated by the American Right before the Iraq war. > > Once you give them your money, they´ve won. The game is over. > > -- > Dennis DeSantis > www.dennisdesantis.com
Re: (313) Madga vs Magda
Kent williams wrote: He makes the promoter buy them ;-) I don't think it's about boycotting them, it's about destroying them. You have to buy them to destroy them but ... well he's not pure. To be pure about it, he'd have to steal them to destroy them, and that's just no practical. I?m not a big fan of McDonalds either. So I don?t spend money there. Ever. I love Herbert?s music. But as a political statement, this stuff has about the same socioeconomic effect as the French wine "boycott" orchestrated by the American Right before the Iraq war. Once you give them your money, they?ve won. The game is over. -- Dennis DeSantis www.dennisdesantis.com
Re: (313) Madga vs Magda
He makes the promoter buy them ;-) I don't think it's about boycotting them, it's about destroying them. You have to buy them to destroy them but ... well he's not pure. To be pure about it, he'd have to steal them to destroy them, and that's just no practical. Maybe get Lester on the job deconstructing the Radioboy thing. He's the theoretician on 313. On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, Dennis DeSantis wrote: > > Kent williams wrote: > > he made his point with some humor by destroying > > capitalist artifacts as a way to make his music. > > I?ve always been curious about this: > > Does he BUY these "capitalist artifacts" before destroying them at every > show? > > If so, that seems like an interesting way to encourage a boycott... >
