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watching Akira while listening to Ken Ishii's Jellytones is fun... Lauren
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Yeah, word to those who namechecked Robocop - it's set in Detroit, for heaven's sake! Tron and THX1138 definitely qualify, as does Rollerball. I'd also say Assault on Precinct 13 (if only for the soundtrack) and Midnight Express (ditto!). And A Clockwork Orange. Anime fillums are pretty techno I think - Ghost in the shell, Akira, (off topic can anyone recommend privately some good recent anime films)? And the first matrix was supercool but the sequels sucked hard. Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] 16/08/2004 2:54:22 am I have been thinking about 'techno' films - ie films that the techno community have adopted as part of their subculture - as lately I've been catching up on DVDs when I am too tired to do anything else constructive. ;) I guess hip-hop types have Star Wars but techno people I find are into Metropolis, Bladerunner and The Matrix - classic sci fi. Personally I didn't quite get into The Matrix. It's very strong visually - and very clever - but I found it very cold and devoid of any humanity and the third instalment was infuriating with its inconsistencies and poor script. However, it is fun observing spots in the first as though they took out obvious Sydney features, it's clearly Sydney and I know that Dymocks store spot well. ;) I much preferred Dark City, also shot in Sydney, with the underrated Rufus Sewell - who was so amazing as Stuart era super mack Charles II recently. Funny it came out before The Matrix... Some others might be (or these are some of my faves): Gattica (slept-on, what more can I say) Artificial Intelligence (very simple yet profound, loved the multiple endings) Minority Report (interesting, I almost warmed to Tom Cruise in this role) Anyway I am wondering if any of you esteemed people would like to suggest your favourite techno film/s.
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check out Rotation Records, it's in former East Berlin near the giant TV tower. www.rotation-records.de - bot - Original Message - From: Christopher Davey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, August 15, 2004 8:39 am Subject: (313) Berlin I'm going to be in Berlin from August 20 to 30. So it's the usual requestfor any nights I should make it to, and good record stores I should visit (Hardwax obviously, but I don't know any others). Replies will be much appreciated. Cheers Chris
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Cyclone Wehner wrote: Artificial Intelligence (very simple yet profound, loved the multiple endings) Argh!! I can't believed you liked this movie. What an absolute pile of steaming hog [EMAIL PROTECTED] That was one of the most annoying, pathetic rehashses of Pinnocio I've ever seen. But I want to be a real boy... Eergh! Me and other people in the cinema were wondering when the hell that that little sh1t of a robot boy was going to die. I really, really wish that Kubrick had had the time to actually finish this movie off instead of handing it over to Spielberg. Then perhaps we wouldn't have had this travesty of a movie.
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Simon Hindle wrote: Anime fillums are pretty techno I think - Ghost in the shell, Akira, (off topic can anyone recommend privately some good recent anime films)? So many manga films look techno, but it sh1ts me to tears that the majority of them have metal soundtracks. What the hells with that?!?
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Cyclone Wehner wrote: Artificial Intelligence (very simple yet profound, loved the multiple endings) Argh!! I can't believed you liked this movie. I liked it! Maybe it's a techno film for girls, we have maternal instincts - even for robots. I like the fable quality, like I loved Angela Carter's reworkings of old fairy tales. I liked the shadow (Kubrick) and light (Spielberg). I love Dark City as well and some might not get into that, but Rufus Sewell is my favourite actor right now and I think he picks interesting roles. That was a simple and effective film.
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-- Original Message -- From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Personally I didn't quite get into The Matrix. It's very strong visually - and very clever - but I found it very cold and devoid of any humanity and the third instalment was infuriating with its inconsistencies and poor script. i liked the first matrix as an action flick. pretty much every scifi concept in it was done better in the 2 years before it came out: both dark city and the 13th floor have lots of the same kind of thing going on, and both were far superior. Some others might be (or these are some of my faves): Gattica (slept-on, what more can I say) still never seen this. dont know why. Artificial Intelligence (very simple yet profound, loved the multiple endings) eh. i could feel what kubrick would have done throughout the film, and it just kind of ruined it for me. everything that he would have really abstracted, spielburg turned into ET part 2. blah. i didnt hate it, but i had such high expectations. Minority Report (interesting, I almost warmed to Tom Cruise in this role) like andrew duke said, most of the philip dick movie adaptations are good. i love total recall especially. Anyway I am wondering if any of you esteemed people would like to suggest your favourite techno film/s. i think baraka is a good techno film. i cant think of too much now, ill chime in later with more. tom andythepooh.com
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-- Original Message -- From: matrix313 [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think of movies like Snatch, Kill Bill, Unbreakable, Seven, Fight Club, The Fifth Element (okay so one SciFi film maybe), Frailty, John Woo or Kirosawa (sp?) films, and of course the ultimate techno film: Trainspotting, yeah trainspotting is a good one. ditto with fight club. some john woo stuff counts, not alot of his american crapola though. sean I just dont *get* Star Wars at all deason i dont know what to tell you about that one. my childhood is anchored in star wars, maybe since youre a little older it wasnt the right time for you... tom andythepooh.com
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2001 is the best of all techno flims - because it says that humans spiritual advancement comes through technology, that we achieve our ultimate and highest form through technology. it doesn't say that technology is all good, or that is can't be misused, but ultimately, technology has been at the heart of every major human advancement, and that it technology that brings us to realise the fulness of selves most sci-fi films portray technology as that which alientates, enslaves, debases or degrades humanity. and that the human nature is saved by prevailing or overcoming technology. robocop, terminator etc. james www.jbucknell.com David Gillies [EMAIL PROTECTED] To 16/08/04 01:31 AM Simon Hindle [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc 313@hyperreal.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject Re: (313) Techno Films Simon Hindle wrote: Anime fillums are pretty techno I think - Ghost in the shell, Akira, (off topic can anyone recommend privately some good recent anime films)? So many manga films look techno, but it sh1ts me to tears that the majority of them have metal soundtracks. What the hells with that?!? ForwardSourceID:NT000112F6
(313)New Mix
I've put a new mix up at my site jbucknell.com. it's mainly early 80s dance - disco with drums machines and electro. early 80s mix [60min 68mb 160kbps mp3] Klinte Jones Patrick Adams - In the Heat of the Night [Tony Humphries mix](Oh My!) The Incredible Mr Freeze (Arthur Baker) - Back to the Scene of the Crime (Pow Wow) Modern Romance - Salsa Rapsody (WEA) Tony Cook the Party People - On the Floor (Azuli) Gary's Gang - Makin Music (Kontor) Mikey D Master Jay - Ready to Rock (Streetheat) Dhar Braxton - Jump Back (Sleeping Bag) Two Ton's of Fun - I Got the Feeling [Patrick Cowley megamix](Fantasy) TJM - I Don't Need No Music (Philly Groove) Roberta Kelly (with Giorgio Moroder) - Innocent (Interfusion) james www.jbucknell.com
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On Aug 15, 2004, at 8:31 PM, David Gillies wrote: Simon Hindle wrote: Anime fillums are pretty techno I think - Ghost in the shell, Akira, (off topic can anyone recommend privately some good recent anime films)? So many manga films look techno, but it sh1ts me to tears that the majority of them have metal soundtracks. What the hells with that?!? I really enjoyed a series I saw on DVD recently called Boogiepop Phantom both for the complex and engaging storyline and for the totally kick ass soundtrack, which relied heavily on various types of electronic music. -- Tim Moore
(313) An acidic Excursion
Here's a mix I did for www.fourteenlocks.com Mix is at http://www.14lox.co.uk/pla.html Abe Duque - What Happened - abe duque New Phunk Theory - Always - Airtight JD'S Acid Power - Blank 7 - The Power - Nitegrooves Doc Martin - Left Coast Selections - Wax Osborne - 'Bout Ready to Jack - Spectral Sound Plastikman - I Don't Know - Minus Abe Duque - It Moved Me - Abe Duque Chevallier - Crack City - Trax of Interest Acid Kid - Live Appearance - DAP Prototype 909 - The Transistor - Instinct Kahn - More ep - Direct Drive Essit Muzique - Whoo Whoo Part 2 - DAP Enjoy p
(313) Abe Duque Records
as I only know, and/but do very like ' What Happened' ? what are the other releases on the label about? any impressions!?
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Hey Marsel I have the last 4 12s on this label and they all rock, but are all very similar! The new one No8 is wicked. -Original Message- From: Marsel // Nomorewords.net [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 August 2004 09:20 To: 313 Subject: (313) Abe Duque Records as I only know, and/but do very like ' What Happened' ? what are the other releases on the label about? any impressions!?
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Android is a proper techno film, as are The Terminator films (T3 excepted) - the only robot films that don't make me yawn. As for Star Wars, I agree with Sean - IMO it's the most overrated film of all time - I loved it when I was a kid, but when I saw the new editions as an adult I realised how shoddy they were - it was comparable to watching the A-Team again after 20 years and realising that it was aimed at people with tiny little brains (ie children) -Original Message- From: matrix313 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 6:35 PM To: Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) Techno Films sean I just dont *get* Star Wars at all deason # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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on the technical side maybe but for the story line I can't see how it compares with the A-Team.you crazy fool :) -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 16/08/2004 10:53 To: matrix313; Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Cc: Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Android is a proper techno film, as are The Terminator films (T3 excepted) - the only robot films that don't make me yawn. As for Star Wars, I agree with Sean - IMO it's the most overrated film of all time - I loved it when I was a kid, but when I saw the new editions as an adult I realised how shoddy they were - it was comparable to watching the A-Team again after 20 years and realising that it was aimed at people with tiny little brains (ie children) -Original Message- From: matrix313 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 6:35 PM To: Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) Techno Films sean I just dont *get* Star Wars at all deason # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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Blade Runner? By the way, if anyone's heard the UR62 promo and cares to post some comments they would be much appreciated. It seems to be creating a quiet little stir ... k -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:00 AM To: Robert Taylor; matrix313; Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films on the technical side maybe but for the story line I can't see how it compares with the A-Team.you crazy fool :) -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 16/08/2004 10:53 To: matrix313; Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Cc: Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Android is a proper techno film, as are The Terminator films (T3 excepted) - the only robot films that don't make me yawn. As for Star Wars, I agree with Sean - IMO it's the most overrated film of all time - I loved it when I was a kid, but when I saw the new editions as an adult I realised how shoddy they were - it was comparable to watching the A-Team again after 20 years and realising that it was aimed at people with tiny little brains (ie children) -Original Message- From: matrix313 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 6:35 PM To: Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) Techno Films sean I just dont *get* Star Wars at all deason ### ## Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. ### ##
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I mean that The A Team was aimed at kids and is patently ridiculous, something you only appreciate when watching as an adult - Lucas has always said his films are for kids - it's hard to view a film with a gold robot, giant teddybear and an asthmatic baddie in black in it as anything other than a cartoon - nostalgia for a film that enchanted you as a kid obscures ones critical faculties somewhat. IMNSHO naturally :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 9:00 AM To: Robert Taylor; matrix313; Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films on the technical side maybe but for the story line I can't see how it compares with the A-Team.you crazy fool :) -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 16/08/2004 10:53 To: matrix313; Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Cc: Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Android is a proper techno film, as are The Terminator films (T3 excepted) - the only robot films that don't make me yawn. As for Star Wars, I agree with Sean - IMO it's the most overrated film of all time - I loved it when I was a kid, but when I saw the new editions as an adult I realised how shoddy they were - it was comparable to watching the A-Team again after 20 years and realising that it was aimed at people with tiny little brains (ie children) -Original Message- From: matrix313 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 6:35 PM To: Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) Techno Films sean I just dont *get* Star Wars at all deason # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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As for Star Wars, I agree with Sean - IMO it's the most overrated film of all time - I loved it when I was a kid, but when I saw the new editions as an adult I realised how shoddy they were - it was comparable to watching the A-Team again after 20 years and realising that it was aimed at people with tiny little brains (ie children) Thats a little condenscending to the many people on this list who do still hold Star Wars in high regard. Sure its a pretty basic plundering of classic mythology and storytelling at heart, but what the hell, they are still fun movies and I don't remember the A team having the effect of capturing the imagination of an entire generation of children. Maybe the new movies have soured your memories, but I wanted to be Han Solo when I was a kid and quite frankly I'd rather any kid of mine look upto Han Solo as a hero/role model than the latest lame member of the latest lame boy/girl band. Plus he could have kicked BA's ass! -Original Message- From: matrix313 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 6:35 PM To: Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) Techno Films sean I just dont *get* Star Wars at all deason # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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It wasn't meant to be condescending, just phrased to get a response! -Original Message- From: Stewart Caig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 9:18 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Techno Films Thats a little condenscending to the many people on this list who do still hold Star Wars in high regard. # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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I mean that The A Team was aimed at kids and is patently ridiculous, something you only appreciate when watching as an adult - Lucas has always said his films are for kids - it's hard to view a film with a gold robot, giant teddybear and an asthmatic baddie in black in it as anything other than a cartoon - nostalgia for a film that enchanted you as a kid obscures ones critical faculties somewhat. IMNSHO naturally :) So cynical :( You could adopt the same attitude about a lot of movies. Even Blade Runner had a giant teddybear in it!! Cant movies just be fun and remembered for what they were without feeling the need to have to analyse them from an adult perspective? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 9:00 AM To: Robert Taylor; matrix313; Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films on the technical side maybe but for the story line I can't see how it compares with the A-Team.you crazy fool :) -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 16/08/2004 10:53 To: matrix313; Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Cc: Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Android is a proper techno film, as are The Terminator films (T3 excepted) - the only robot films that don't make me yawn. As for Star Wars, I agree with Sean - IMO it's the most overrated film of all time - I loved it when I was a kid, but when I saw the new editions as an adult I realised how shoddy they were - it was comparable to watching the A-Team again after 20 years and realising that it was aimed at people with tiny little brains (ie children) -Original Message- From: matrix313 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 6:35 PM To: Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) Techno Films sean I just dont *get* Star Wars at all deason # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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I guess that means all the films I watched as a kid then , like Breakdance when I heard Tour De France with Turbo sweeping the pavement, hmm somehow I think there are execptions to that rule Rob :) -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 16/08/2004 11:10 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; matrix313; Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Cc: Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films I mean that The A Team was aimed at kids and is patently ridiculous, something you only appreciate when watching as an adult - Lucas has always said his films are for kids - it's hard to view a film with a gold robot, giant teddybear and an asthmatic baddie in black in it as anything other than a cartoon - nostalgia for a film that enchanted you as a kid obscures ones critical faculties somewhat. IMNSHO naturally :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 9:00 AM To: Robert Taylor; matrix313; Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films on the technical side maybe but for the story line I can't see how it compares with the A-Team.you crazy fool :) -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 16/08/2004 10:53 To: matrix313; Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Cc: Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Android is a proper techno film, as are The Terminator films (T3 excepted) - the only robot films that don't make me yawn. As for Star Wars, I agree with Sean - IMO it's the most overrated film of all time - I loved it when I was a kid, but when I saw the new editions as an adult I realised how shoddy they were - it was comparable to watching the A-Team again after 20 years and realising that it was aimed at people with tiny little brains (ie children) -Original Message- From: matrix313 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 6:35 PM To: Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) Techno Films sean I just dont *get* Star Wars at all deason # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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If only I could! I am ultra cynical, yes -Original Message- From: Stewart Caig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 9:24 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Techno Films Cant movies just be ... remembered for what they were without feeling the need to have to analyse them from an adult perspective? # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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like Breakdance when I heard Tour De France with Turbo sweeping the pavement Ha! Happy memories! I remember seeing that for the first time, and it seems like yesterday. I think I was about 8. I'm rubbish with films, I can never remember the titles, or what happens in them, but that's one of the only things out of any film that sticks in my head. And yes, I did get a brush and start prancing about after watching that. Alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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Er...what rule? Funny you should say that about Breakdance though, I saw Wild Style again recently and that wasn't as good as I remembered either! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 9:24 AM To: Robert Taylor; matrix313; Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films I guess that means all the films I watched as a kid then , like Breakdance when I heard Tour De France with Turbo sweeping the pavement, hmm somehow I think there are execptions to that rule Rob :) -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 16/08/2004 11:10 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; matrix313; Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Cc: Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films I mean that The A Team was aimed at kids and is patently ridiculous, something you only appreciate when watching as an adult - Lucas has always said his films are for kids - it's hard to view a film with a gold robot, giant teddybear and an asthmatic baddie in black in it as anything other than a cartoon - nostalgia for a film that enchanted you as a kid obscures ones critical faculties somewhat. IMNSHO naturally :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 9:00 AM To: Robert Taylor; matrix313; Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films on the technical side maybe but for the story line I can't see how it compares with the A-Team.you crazy fool :) -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 16/08/2004 10:53 To: matrix313; Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Cc: Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Android is a proper techno film, as are The Terminator films (T3 excepted) - the only robot films that don't make me yawn. As for Star Wars, I agree with Sean - IMO it's the most overrated film of all time - I loved it when I was a kid, but when I saw the new editions as an adult I realised how shoddy they were - it was comparable to watching the A-Team again after 20 years and realising that it was aimed at people with tiny little brains (ie children) -Original Message- From: matrix313 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 6:35 PM To: Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) Techno Films sean I just dont *get* Star Wars at all deason # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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And yes, I did get a brush and start prancing about after watching that. As long as you didnt get dressed up in Spandex and start doing star jumps after seeing Jean Claude Van Damme getting down in the movie!
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sorry I though this was a rule.. nostalgia for a film that enchanted you as a kid obscures ones critical faculties somewhat. apologies if this isn't one RT :) -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 16/08/2004 11:28 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; matrix313; Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Cc: Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Er...what rule? Funny you should say that about Breakdance though, I saw Wild Style again recently and that wasn't as good as I remembered either! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 9:24 AM To: Robert Taylor; matrix313; Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films I guess that means all the films I watched as a kid then , like Breakdance when I heard Tour De France with Turbo sweeping the pavement, hmm somehow I think there are execptions to that rule Rob :) -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 16/08/2004 11:10 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; matrix313; Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Cc: Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films I mean that The A Team was aimed at kids and is patently ridiculous, something you only appreciate when watching as an adult - Lucas has always said his films are for kids - it's hard to view a film with a gold robot, giant teddybear and an asthmatic baddie in black in it as anything other than a cartoon - nostalgia for a film that enchanted you as a kid obscures ones critical faculties somewhat. IMNSHO naturally :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 9:00 AM To: Robert Taylor; matrix313; Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films on the technical side maybe but for the story line I can't see how it compares with the A-Team.you crazy fool :) -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 16/08/2004 10:53 To: matrix313; Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Cc: Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Android is a proper techno film, as are The Terminator films (T3 excepted) - the only robot films that don't make me yawn. As for Star Wars, I agree with Sean - IMO it's the most overrated film of all time - I loved it when I was a kid, but when I saw the new editions as an adult I realised how shoddy they were - it was comparable to watching the A-Team again after 20 years and realising that it was aimed at people with tiny little brains (ie children) -Original Message- From: matrix313 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 6:35 PM To: Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) Techno Films sean I just dont *get* Star Wars at all deason # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email
RE: (313)The **ONLY** Techno Film!!!!
ok, ok, ok... there really is only one true techno film, the first and the last... Vibrations, released in 1995 and stars Christina Applegate. A true masterpeice in film making and storytelling. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114845/ It'll make you laugh, it'll make you cry (and probably cry some more). Peace, Patrick. -- -- Southern Outpost - Sydney. Distribution: Submerge, Detroit http://www.southernoutpost.com Infiltrating your sound systems. --
RE: (313) Techno Films
Only a rule in my case - just talking sh!te again I still love the Indiana Jones films though! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 9:37 AM To: Robert Taylor; matrix313; Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films sorry I though this was a rule.. nostalgia for a film that enchanted you as a kid obscures ones critical faculties somewhat. apologies if this isn't one RT :) -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 16/08/2004 11:28 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; matrix313; Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Cc: Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Er...what rule? Funny you should say that about Breakdance though, I saw Wild Style again recently and that wasn't as good as I remembered either! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 9:24 AM To: Robert Taylor; matrix313; Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films I guess that means all the films I watched as a kid then , like Breakdance when I heard Tour De France with Turbo sweeping the pavement, hmm somehow I think there are execptions to that rule Rob :) -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 16/08/2004 11:10 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; matrix313; Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Cc: Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films I mean that The A Team was aimed at kids and is patently ridiculous, something you only appreciate when watching as an adult - Lucas has always said his films are for kids - it's hard to view a film with a gold robot, giant teddybear and an asthmatic baddie in black in it as anything other than a cartoon - nostalgia for a film that enchanted you as a kid obscures ones critical faculties somewhat. IMNSHO naturally :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 9:00 AM To: Robert Taylor; matrix313; Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films on the technical side maybe but for the story line I can't see how it compares with the A-Team.you crazy fool :) -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 16/08/2004 10:53 To: matrix313; Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Cc: Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Android is a proper techno film, as are The Terminator films (T3 excepted) - the only robot films that don't make me yawn. As for Star Wars, I agree with Sean - IMO it's the most overrated film of all time - I loved it when I was a kid, but when I saw the new editions as an adult I realised how shoddy they were - it was comparable to watching the A-Team again after 20 years and realising that it was aimed at people with tiny little brains (ie children) -Original Message- From: matrix313 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 6:35 PM To: Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) Techno Films sean I just dont *get* Star Wars at all deason # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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ha ha knowing Alex though :) sorry mate but to be honest I did get some (highly embarrassing) leg warmers after watching fame and wanting to do ballet...it was a real bart simpsons situation there ..blush cough -Original Message- From: Stewart Caig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 16/08/2004 10:31 To: 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Subject: Re: (313) Techno Films And yes, I did get a brush and start prancing about after watching that. As long as you didnt get dressed up in Spandex and start doing star jumps after seeing Jean Claude Van Damme getting down in the movie!
RE: (313) Techno Films
now your talking, hands up who wanted to be IJ as well as Luke SkyW, I know I did! -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 16/08/2004 11:38 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; matrix313; Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Cc: Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Only a rule in my case - just talking sh!te again I still love the Indiana Jones films though! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 9:37 AM To: Robert Taylor; matrix313; Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films sorry I though this was a rule.. nostalgia for a film that enchanted you as a kid obscures ones critical faculties somewhat. apologies if this isn't one RT :) -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 16/08/2004 11:28 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; matrix313; Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Cc: Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Er...what rule? Funny you should say that about Breakdance though, I saw Wild Style again recently and that wasn't as good as I remembered either! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 9:24 AM To: Robert Taylor; matrix313; Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films I guess that means all the films I watched as a kid then , like Breakdance when I heard Tour De France with Turbo sweeping the pavement, hmm somehow I think there are execptions to that rule Rob :) -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 16/08/2004 11:10 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; matrix313; Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Cc: Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films I mean that The A Team was aimed at kids and is patently ridiculous, something you only appreciate when watching as an adult - Lucas has always said his films are for kids - it's hard to view a film with a gold robot, giant teddybear and an asthmatic baddie in black in it as anything other than a cartoon - nostalgia for a film that enchanted you as a kid obscures ones critical faculties somewhat. IMNSHO naturally :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 9:00 AM To: Robert Taylor; matrix313; Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films on the technical side maybe but for the story line I can't see how it compares with the A-Team.you crazy fool :) -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 16/08/2004 10:53 To: matrix313; Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Cc: Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Android is a proper techno film, as are The Terminator films (T3 excepted) - the only robot films that don't make me yawn. As for Star Wars, I agree with Sean - IMO it's the most overrated film of all time - I loved it when I was a kid, but when I saw the new editions as an adult I realised how shoddy they were - it was comparable to watching the A-Team again after 20 years and realising that it was aimed at people with tiny little brains (ie children) -Original Message- From: matrix313 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 6:35 PM To: Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) Techno Films sean I just dont *get* Star Wars at all deason
RE: (313) Techno Films
Blade Runner will always be my ultimate Techno film. Metropolis comes a pretty close second, then Solaris and 2001. I also relate to Sean on the Seven, KillBill and Snatch tip. Nothing out of the ordinary here. h. *shrugs* : ) Anya -- NEU: WLAN-Router für 0,- EUR* - auch für DSL-Wechsler! GMX DSL = supergünstig kabellos http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl
RE: (313) Techno Films
Blade Runner is so techno - such a rich source of samples - is there any dialogue or sound effect that hasn't been used on a techno record? -Original Message- From: Anya K Stang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:23 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Blade Runner will always be my ultimate Techno film. Metropolis comes a pretty close second, then Solaris and 2001. I also relate to Sean on the Seven, KillBill and Snatch tip. Nothing out of the ordinary here. h. *shrugs* : ) Anya -- NEU: WLAN-Router für 0,- EUR* - auch für DSL-Wechsler! GMX DSL = supergünstig kabellos http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
(313) barcelona
i'm off to barcelona next week and was wondering if anyone could give me any pointers to decent clubs, recordstores (new and 2nd hand) and other interesting fact about the city. does anyone know if i-f is still playing somewhere in barca? probably best to e-mail me in private to avoid more ot posts. jurren _ Play online games with your friends with MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.nl/
RE: (313) Techno Films
Actually, I wonder what dialogue or sound effect from Blade runner have been sampled? Although it's my favourite 'techno' film (poss my favourite film ever too in fact) I don't seem to recall any bits of it on records. Just a thought ... -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 12:30 PM To: Anya K Stang; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Blade Runner is so techno - such a rich source of samples - is there any dialogue or sound effect that hasn't been used on a techno record? -Original Message- From: Anya K Stang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:23 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Blade Runner will always be my ultimate Techno film. Metropolis comes a pretty close second, then Solaris and 2001. I also relate to Sean on the Seven, KillBill and Snatch tip. Nothing out of the ordinary here. h. *shrugs* : ) Anya -- NEU: WLAN-Router für 0,- EUR* - auch für DSL-Wechsler! GMX DSL = supergünstig kabellos http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl ### ## Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. ### ##
RE: (313) Techno Films
It's used on a lot of early to mid 90s techno and trance records - IIRC Pete Namlook is the chief culprit -Original Message- From: Ken Odeluga [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:35 AM To: Anya K Stang; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Actually, I wonder what dialogue or sound effect from Blade runner have been sampled? Although it's my favourite 'techno' film (poss my favourite film ever too in fact) I don't seem to recall any bits of it on records. Just a thought ... -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 12:30 PM To: Anya K Stang; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Blade Runner is so techno - such a rich source of samples - is there any dialogue or sound effect that hasn't been used on a techno record? -Original Message- From: Anya K Stang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:23 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Blade Runner will always be my ultimate Techno film. Metropolis comes a pretty close second, then Solaris and 2001. I also relate to Sean on the Seven, KillBill and Snatch tip. Nothing out of the ordinary here. h. *shrugs* : ) Anya -- NEU: WLAN-Router für 0,- EUR* - auch für DSL-Wechsler! GMX DSL = supergünstig kabellos http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl ### ## Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. ### ## # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
(313) Bladerunner was Re: (313) Techno Films
Ken Odeluga wrote: Actually, I wonder what dialogue or sound effect from Blade runner have been sampled? Although it's my favourite 'techno' film (poss my favourite film ever too in fact) I don't seem to recall any bits of it on records. Just a thought ... -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 12:30 PM To: Anya K Stang; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Blade Runner is so techno - such a rich source of samples - is there any dialogue or sound effect that hasn't been used on a techno record? -Original Message- From: Anya K Stang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:23 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Blade Runner will always be my ultimate Techno film. Metropolis comes a pretty close second, then Solaris and 2001. Blade Runner is definitely my favorite film, of any category. So many levels to it, and it was what got me into Philip K Dick's writings as well as the art of sound design and scoring for visual media such as films. The film has extra resonace because it was also the favorite film of my best friend of 29 years, Jason Trenholm, who died on January 1st of this year; I can still vividly remember the first time we watched it together. I must see this film about 5 or 6 times a year and enjoy it thoroughly each and every time. Luckily, it is on cable TV about once a month so it is easy to see often. re: samples: googling comes up with a site that says that is has been sampled by 85 groups in114 songs using 219 different samples. Take care. Andrew -- Andrew Duke scoring/sound design/source http://cognitionaudioworks.com
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Bladerunner It's used on a lot of early to mid 90s techno and trance records - IIRC Pete Namlook is the chief culprit Yeah, 'Fires Of Ork' is one that springs to mind... Carl Craig also used big chunks of the soundtrack as interludes on his Radio One Essential Mix a few years back...
RE: (313) Bladerunner was Re: (313) Techno Films
Here's a list of samples used: http://www.sloth.org/samples-bin/samples/source?exact=Blade+Runner - though not particularly exhaustive technowise - it seems lots of rock and hiphop acts love it too. -Original Message- From: Andrew Duke Cognition Audioworks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:45 AM To: Ken Odeluga Cc: Anya K Stang; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Bladerunner was Re: (313) Techno Films Ken Odeluga wrote: Actually, I wonder what dialogue or sound effect from Blade runner have been sampled? Although it's my favourite 'techno' film (poss my favourite film ever too in fact) I don't seem to recall any bits of it on records. Just a thought ... -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 12:30 PM To: Anya K Stang; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Blade Runner is so techno - such a rich source of samples - is there any dialogue or sound effect that hasn't been used on a techno record? -Original Message- From: Anya K Stang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:23 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Blade Runner will always be my ultimate Techno film. Metropolis comes a pretty close second, then Solaris and 2001. Blade Runner is definitely my favorite film, of any category. So many levels to it, and it was what got me into Philip K Dick's writings as well as the art of sound design and scoring for visual media such as films. The film has extra resonace because it was also the favorite film of my best friend of 29 years, Jason Trenholm, who died on January 1st of this year; I can still vividly remember the first time we watched it together. I must see this film about 5 or 6 times a year and enjoy it thoroughly each and every time. Luckily, it is on cable TV about once a month so it is easy to see often. re: samples: googling comes up with a site that says that is has been sampled by 85 groups in114 songs using 219 different samples. Take care. Andrew -- Andrew Duke scoring/sound design/source http://cognitionaudioworks.com # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
RE: (313) Techno Films
Also Syn's If Only You Could See and his Limelight and Sequential aliases - the man was obsessed with it -Original Message- From: Tom Churchill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:47 AM To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) Techno Films Bladerunner It's used on a lot of early to mid 90s techno and trance records - IIRC Pete Namlook is the chief culprit Yeah, 'Fires Of Ork' is one that springs to mind... Carl Craig also used big chunks of the soundtrack as interludes on his Radio One Essential Mix a few years back... # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
(313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films)
My take on Star Wars is that it's 1930s sci-fi visually rendered with an immense 21st-century budget. Immature, swashbuckling, aimed-at-kids romp - yep, that's all true. But that's pretty much the form. It's undeniable that it influenced practically a whole generation, and caused loads of kids to develop a fascination with outer space, aliens, snazzy futuristic technology and kick-ass sound design which IMHO helped to provide a cultural environment in which techno music, when it came along a decade later, was able to capture the imaginations of so many people who, as children, had been awe-struck by Star Wars and never got over that sense of fascination with the future and with imaginary worlds. Brendan -Original Message- From: Stewart Caig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 August 2004 10:18 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Techno Films As for Star Wars, I agree with Sean - IMO it's the most overrated film of all time - I loved it when I was a kid, but when I saw the new editions as an adult I realised how shoddy they were - it was comparable to watching the A-Team again after 20 years and realising that it was aimed at people with tiny little brains (ie children) Thats a little condenscending to the many people on this list who do still hold Star Wars in high regard...
(313) Grime vs Techno
Well I've been playing this all weekend - nice 8-bit sounds - loving his work... http://www.smugglersite.com/dizzee/ Cheers Martin
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I'm generally agreed with everyone on the Blade Runner, Metropolis and 2001 mentions. Solaris, though, has always struck me as being a bit of an ambient film, or more accurately a Basic Channel film; when I watch it, I can't help thinking how it would work with a dubbed soundtrack by Vainqueur or Maurizio... Here are another two which I've not noticed anyone mention so far (although I may have just missed them) - Robocop (it's set in Detroit!) and Brother From Another Planet (Claude Young used the title as a pseudonym!). So both fairly techno films, and with heavily on-topic aspects to them as well. Maybe Robocop is more of a rave film though? Brendan -Original Message- From: Anya K Stang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 August 2004 11:23 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Blade Runner will always be my ultimate Techno film. Metropolis comes a pretty close second, then Solaris and 2001. I also relate to Sean on the Seven, KillBill and Snatch tip. Nothing out of the ordinary here. h. *shrugs* : ) Anya -- NEU: WLAN-Router für 0,- EUR* - auch für DSL-Wechsler! GMX DSL = supergünstig kabellos http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl
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Thouigh I mentioned them earlier I am surprised nobody has picked up on the Cronenberg links with techno. Seeing as, for me at least, one of the key ideaologies within techno is the fusion of the organic and the synthetic, the warm soul of man and the cold soul of the machine. Much of Cronenberg's works explore themes of similar fusions, contrasts and blurring the line between the organic and synthetic . Check, for example, Naked Lunch, VideoDrome (Come on that movie is totally techno!) and eXistenZ. - Original Message - From: Brendan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Anya K Stang [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 12:04 PM Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films I'm generally agreed with everyone on the Blade Runner, Metropolis and 2001 mentions. Solaris, though, has always struck me as being a bit of an ambient film, or more accurately a Basic Channel film; when I watch it, I can't help thinking how it would work with a dubbed soundtrack by Vainqueur or Maurizio... Here are another two which I've not noticed anyone mention so far (although I may have just missed them) - Robocop (it's set in Detroit!) and Brother From Another Planet (Claude Young used the title as a pseudonym!). So both fairly techno films, and with heavily on-topic aspects to them as well. Maybe Robocop is more of a rave film though? Brendan -Original Message- From: Anya K Stang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 August 2004 11:23 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Blade Runner will always be my ultimate Techno film. Metropolis comes a pretty close second, then Solaris and 2001. I also relate to Sean on the Seven, KillBill and Snatch tip. Nothing out of the ordinary here. h. *shrugs* : ) Anya -- NEU: WLAN-Router für 0,- EUR* - auch für DSL-Wechsler! GMX DSL = supergünstig kabellos http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl
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Scanners too - many a time that tunes like Seawolf has made me feel like my head is about to explode -Original Message- From: Stewart Caig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 11:18 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Techno Films Thouigh I mentioned them earlier I am surprised nobody has picked up on the Cronenberg links with techno. Seeing as, for me at least, one of the key ideaologies within techno is the fusion of the organic and the synthetic, the warm soul of man and the cold soul of the machine. Much of Cronenberg's works explore themes of similar fusions, contrasts and blurring the line between the organic and synthetic . Check, for example, Naked Lunch, VideoDrome (Come on that movie is totally techno!) and eXistenZ. - Original Message - From: Brendan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Anya K Stang [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 12:04 PM Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films I'm generally agreed with everyone on the Blade Runner, Metropolis and 2001 mentions. Solaris, though, has always struck me as being a bit of an ambient film, or more accurately a Basic Channel film; when I watch it, I can't help thinking how it would work with a dubbed soundtrack by Vainqueur or Maurizio... Here are another two which I've not noticed anyone mention so far (although I may have just missed them) - Robocop (it's set in Detroit!) and Brother From Another Planet (Claude Young used the title as a pseudonym!). So both fairly techno films, and with heavily on-topic aspects to them as well. Maybe Robocop is more of a rave film though? Brendan -Original Message- From: Anya K Stang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 August 2004 11:23 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Blade Runner will always be my ultimate Techno film. Metropolis comes a pretty close second, then Solaris and 2001. I also relate to Sean on the Seven, KillBill and Snatch tip. Nothing out of the ordinary here. h. *shrugs* : ) Anya -- NEU: WLAN-Router für 0,- EUR* - auch für DSL-Wechsler! GMX DSL = supergünstig kabellos http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
RE: (313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films)
It also kickstarted the exploitation of kids through merchandising. Hollywood went seriously down hill after Star Wars' success (the triumph of style over substance), not that that is Lucas' fault. It now only seems concerned on capitalising on past successes instead of coming up with new ideas. In my not so humble opinion of course ;) -Original Message- From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:59 AM To: Stewart Caig; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films) My take on Star Wars is that it's 1930s sci-fi visually rendered with an immense 21st-century budget. Immature, swashbuckling, aimed-at-kids romp - yep, that's all true. But that's pretty much the form. It's undeniable that it influenced practically a whole generation, and caused loads of kids to develop a fascination with outer space, aliens, snazzy futuristic technology and kick-ass sound design which IMHO helped to provide a cultural environment in which techno music, when it came along a decade later, was able to capture the imaginations of so many people who, as children, had been awe-struck by Star Wars and never got over that sense of fascination with the future and with imaginary worlds. Brendan -Original Message- From: Stewart Caig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 August 2004 10:18 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Techno Films As for Star Wars, I agree with Sean - IMO it's the most overrated film of all time - I loved it when I was a kid, but when I saw the new editions as an adult I realised how shoddy they were - it was comparable to watching the A-Team again after 20 years and realising that it was aimed at people with tiny little brains (ie children) Thats a little condenscending to the many people on this list who do still hold Star Wars in high regard... # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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I'd say that the exploitation of kids through merchandising had been around for a long time before then. Star Wars did change that whole market, though, largely due to the fact that the film's design was so effective that there was *demand* among kids for replicas of the film's starships, characters, droids and so on. Things like Star Trek had never created that sort of demand, largely because the design was much more mediocre. The big question is, were kids made to want these replicas, or did they just *want* them? Speaking for myself, I just *wanted* to have a model of the Millennium Falcon. Previous generations of kids were just the same with model warplanes, tanks and cars: Star Wars just came up with things that were far better-looking than the standard military fare kids had wanted before. I'd say that it's misleading to imagine Hollywood cinema prior to Stars Wars as having put substance over style; it had been pretty schlocky since its inception, IMHO. The proportion of films coming out of Hollywood which are particularly insightful or thought-provoking seems pretty much the same now as it was in, say, the late 1960s. To think otherwise (films were much better in the past) is, I'd suggest, another way in which nostalgia can override one's critical faculties. Brendan -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 August 2004 13:16 To: Brendan Nelson; Stewart Caig; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films) It also kickstarted the exploitation of kids through merchandising. Hollywood went seriously down hill after Star Wars' success (the triumph of style over substance), not that that is Lucas' fault. It now only seems concerned on capitalising on past successes instead of coming up with new ideas. In my not so humble opinion of course ;) -Original Message- From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:59 AM To: Stewart Caig; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films) My take on Star Wars is that it's 1930s sci-fi visually rendered with an immense 21st-century budget. Immature, swashbuckling, aimed-at-kids romp - yep, that's all true. But that's pretty much the form. It's undeniable that it influenced practically a whole generation, and caused loads of kids to develop a fascination with outer space, aliens, snazzy futuristic technology and kick-ass sound design which IMHO helped to provide a cultural environment in which techno music, when it came along a decade later, was able to capture the imaginations of so many people who, as children, had been awe-struck by Star Wars and never got over that sense of fascination with the future and with imaginary worlds. Brendan -Original Message- From: Stewart Caig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 August 2004 10:18 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Techno Films As for Star Wars, I agree with Sean - IMO it's the most overrated film of all time - I loved it when I was a kid, but when I saw the new editions as an adult I realised how shoddy they were - it was comparable to watching the A-Team again after 20 years and realising that it was aimed at people with tiny little brains (ie children) Thats a little condenscending to the many people on this list who do still hold Star Wars in high regard... ## ### Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. ## ###
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I just *wanted* to have a model of the Millennium Falcon. Me too. My mate Dan had one of these when we were little. (Dan does those critical phase records with kirk.) I remember we threw it out of the window to see if it would fly. It didn't. and it went in a little pond. What a rip-off. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
RE: (313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films)
I guess you're right - Star Wars is a particular bugbear of mine, but it is more to do with what it represents to me than anything else. That and the fact that I think it's sh!te ;) I suppose I am nostalgic for what I see as Hollywood's heyday - the 70s - they definitely don't make films like The Godfather and Taxi Driver anymore IMO, so I've been hoist by my own pertard yet agian :) -Original Message- From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 11:28 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films) I'd say that the exploitation of kids through merchandising had been around for a long time before then. Star Wars did change that whole market, though, largely due to the fact that the film's design was so effective that there was *demand* among kids for replicas of the film's starships, characters, droids and so on. Things like Star Trek had never created that sort of demand, largely because the design was much more mediocre. The big question is, were kids made to want these replicas, or did they just *want* them? Speaking for myself, I just *wanted* to have a model of the Millennium Falcon. Previous generations of kids were just the same with model warplanes, tanks and cars: Star Wars just came up with things that were far better-looking than the standard military fare kids had wanted before. I'd say that it's misleading to imagine Hollywood cinema prior to Stars Wars as having put substance over style; it had been pretty schlocky since its inception, IMHO. The proportion of films coming out of Hollywood which are particularly insightful or thought-provoking seems pretty much the same now as it was in, say, the late 1960s. To think otherwise (films were much better in the past) is, I'd suggest, another way in which nostalgia can override one's critical faculties. Brendan -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 August 2004 13:16 To: Brendan Nelson; Stewart Caig; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films) It also kickstarted the exploitation of kids through merchandising. Hollywood went seriously down hill after Star Wars' success (the triumph of style over substance), not that that is Lucas' fault. It now only seems concerned on capitalising on past successes instead of coming up with new ideas. In my not so humble opinion of course ;) -Original Message- From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:59 AM To: Stewart Caig; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films) My take on Star Wars is that it's 1930s sci-fi visually rendered with an immense 21st-century budget. Immature, swashbuckling, aimed-at-kids romp - yep, that's all true. But that's pretty much the form. It's undeniable that it influenced practically a whole generation, and caused loads of kids to develop a fascination with outer space, aliens, snazzy futuristic technology and kick-ass sound design which IMHO helped to provide a cultural environment in which techno music, when it came along a decade later, was able to capture the imaginations of so many people who, as children, had been awe-struck by Star Wars and never got over that sense of fascination with the future and with imaginary worlds. Brendan -Original Message- From: Stewart Caig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 August 2004 10:18 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Techno Films As for Star Wars, I agree with Sean - IMO it's the most overrated film of all time - I loved it when I was a kid, but when I saw the new editions as an adult I realised how shoddy they were - it was comparable to watching the A-Team again after 20 years and realising that it was aimed at people with tiny little brains (ie children) Thats a little condenscending to the many people on this list who do still hold Star Wars in high regard... ## ### Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. ## ### # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and
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I think Star Wars is a particular bugbear of yours partly because so many people - especially in the world of electronic music - like it so much ;) The 1970s probably was Hollywood's heyday, but I'd suggest that that was more down to the social backdrop in the US at the time. Vietnam, severe recession, post-1960s souring of the hippie dream - these all inspired a lot of the 1970s movies that I myself still hold in extremely high regard. My favourite film from the 1970s (and possibly my favourite film ever) is Network; they very rarely make films like that anymore. Brendan -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 August 2004 13:39 To: Brendan Nelson; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films) I guess you're right - Star Wars is a particular bugbear of mine, but it is more to do with what it represents to me than anything else. That and the fact that I think it's sh!te ;) I suppose I am nostalgic for what I see as Hollywood's heyday - the 70s - they definitely don't make films like The Godfather and Taxi Driver anymore IMO, so I've been hoist by my own pertard yet agian :) -Original Message- From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 11:28 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films) I'd say that the exploitation of kids through merchandising had been around for a long time before then. Star Wars did change that whole market, though, largely due to the fact that the film's design was so effective that there was *demand* among kids for replicas of the film's starships, characters, droids and so on. Things like Star Trek had never created that sort of demand, largely because the design was much more mediocre. The big question is, were kids made to want these replicas, or did they just *want* them? Speaking for myself, I just *wanted* to have a model of the Millennium Falcon. Previous generations of kids were just the same with model warplanes, tanks and cars: Star Wars just came up with things that were far better-looking than the standard military fare kids had wanted before. I'd say that it's misleading to imagine Hollywood cinema prior to Stars Wars as having put substance over style; it had been pretty schlocky since its inception, IMHO. The proportion of films coming out of Hollywood which are particularly insightful or thought-provoking seems pretty much the same now as it was in, say, the late 1960s. To think otherwise (films were much better in the past) is, I'd suggest, another way in which nostalgia can override one's critical faculties. Brendan -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 August 2004 13:16 To: Brendan Nelson; Stewart Caig; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films) It also kickstarted the exploitation of kids through merchandising. Hollywood went seriously down hill after Star Wars' success (the triumph of style over substance), not that that is Lucas' fault. It now only seems concerned on capitalising on past successes instead of coming up with new ideas. In my not so humble opinion of course ;) -Original Message- From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:59 AM To: Stewart Caig; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films) My take on Star Wars is that it's 1930s sci-fi visually rendered with an immense 21st-century budget. Immature, swashbuckling, aimed-at-kids romp - yep, that's all true. But that's pretty much the form. It's undeniable that it influenced practically a whole generation, and caused loads of kids to develop a fascination with outer space, aliens, snazzy futuristic technology and kick-ass sound design which IMHO helped to provide a cultural environment in which techno music, when it came along a decade later, was able to capture the imaginations of so many people who, as children, had been awe-struck by Star Wars and never got over that sense of fascination with the future and with imaginary worlds. Brendan -Original Message- From: Stewart Caig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 August 2004 10:18 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Techno Films As for Star Wars, I agree with Sean - IMO it's the most overrated film of all time - I loved it when I was a kid, but when I saw the new editions as an adult I realised how shoddy they were - it was comparable to watching the A-Team again after 20 years and realising that it was aimed at people with tiny little brains (ie children) Thats a little condenscending to the many people on this list who do still hold Star Wars in high regard...
Re: (313) Bladerunner was Re: (313) Techno Films
That's a pretty good list and includes pretty much every Blade Runner sample that I know except - Scape One - Not Human. Which uses 'my mother, I'll tell you about my mother' and I'm pretty sure Photek used a SFX on his stuff too. on 16/8/04 12:47 pm, Robert Taylor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a list of samples used: http://www.sloth.org/samples-bin/samples/source?exact=Blade+Runner - though not particularly exhaustive technowise - it seems lots of rock and hiphop acts love it too. -Original Message- From: Andrew Duke Cognition Audioworks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:45 AM To: Ken Odeluga Cc: Anya K Stang; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Bladerunner was Re: (313) Techno Films Ken Odeluga wrote: Actually, I wonder what dialogue or sound effect from Blade runner have been sampled? Although it's my favourite 'techno' film (poss my favourite film ever too in fact) I don't seem to recall any bits of it on records. Just a thought ... -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 12:30 PM To: Anya K Stang; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Blade Runner is so techno - such a rich source of samples - is there any dialogue or sound effect that hasn't been used on a techno record? -Original Message- From: Anya K Stang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:23 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Blade Runner will always be my ultimate Techno film. Metropolis comes a pretty close second, then Solaris and 2001. Blade Runner is definitely my favorite film, of any category. So many levels to it, and it was what got me into Philip K Dick's writings as well as the art of sound design and scoring for visual media such as films. The film has extra resonace because it was also the favorite film of my best friend of 29 years, Jason Trenholm, who died on January 1st of this year; I can still vividly remember the first time we watched it together. I must see this film about 5 or 6 times a year and enjoy it thoroughly each and every time. Luckily, it is on cable TV about once a month so it is easy to see often. re: samples: googling comes up with a site that says that is has been sampled by 85 groups in114 songs using 219 different samples. Take care. Andrew
RE: (313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films)
I think you might be onto something! -Original Message- From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 11:49 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films) I think Star Wars is a particular bugbear of yours partly because so many people - especially in the world of electronic music - like it so much ;) # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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Anyway I am wondering if any of you esteemed people would like to suggest your favourite techno film/s. [Quick break from work] Has anyone mentioned 'Forbidden Planet' yet? [Back to work now]
Re: (313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films)
I've never like Star Wars and boy did I try - the only thing I really liked was the robot names and a few classic line for Mr. G Cheers Martin On 16 Aug 2004, at 13:54, Robert Taylor wrote: I think you might be onto something! -Original Message- From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 11:49 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films) I think Star Wars is a particular bugbear of yours partly because so many people - especially in the world of electronic music - like it so much ;)
RE: (313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films)
Come again Martin? Mr G? Are we talking use of samples here? I'm well behind on all this! k -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 1:17 PM To: 313 List; Robert Taylor Subject: Re: (313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films) I've never like Star Wars and boy did I try - the only thing I really liked was the robot names and a few classic line for Mr. G Cheers Martin On 16 Aug 2004, at 13:54, Robert Taylor wrote: I think you might be onto something! -Original Message- From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 11:49 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films) I think Star Wars is a particular bugbear of yours partly because so many people - especially in the world of electronic music - like it so much ;)
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I'll tell you my least-favourite sort of techno film too: 'Logan's Run'! Do you know I hadn't realized that there were no African-Americans in it before I heard 'Black Hollywood' on 'Nighttime World' II?! Not saying it's compulsory to represent all colours and creeds but it does 'cause unease when this sort of thing happens ... k
Re: (313) Bladerunner was Re: (313) Techno Films
-- Original Message -- From: Emile Facey (Plant43) [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's a pretty good list and includes pretty much every Blade Runner sample that I know except - Scape One - Not Human. Which uses 'my mother, I'll tell you about my mother' and I'm pretty sure Photek used a SFX on his stuff too. its been absolutely hammered in drum and bass, i cant even calculate how many records ive owned in that genre with bladerunner samples. it is one of my favorite movies ever. the best sample ive heard using it is the I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. part. tom andythepooh.com
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It never did swing my brick Ken...and after a weekend with a splitting headache my motor skills are properly bust so there's no wonder that last mail didn't make an sense ;) Mr. G...as in... Alec G - These are not the droids you are looking for is a classic line, right up there with anything Caine ever said...Not sure if that line is actually correct but I like to remember it that way ;) Martin On 16 Aug 2004, at 13:29, Ken Odeluga wrote: Come again Martin? Mr G? Are we talking use of samples here? I'm well behind on all this! k -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 1:17 PM To: 313 List; Robert Taylor Subject: Re: (313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films) I've never liked Star Wars and boy did I try - the only thing I really liked was the robot names and a few classic line for Mr. G Cheers Martin On 16 Aug 2004, at 13:54, Robert Taylor wrote: I think you might be onto something! -Original Message- From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 11:49 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films) I think Star Wars is a particular bugbear of yours partly because so many people - especially in the world of electronic music - like it so much ;)
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- Original Message -- From: Paul Kendrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey Marsel I have the last 4 12s on this label and they all rock, but are all very similar! The new one No8 is wicked. i have number 8 but im not feeling it nearly as much as 7. ill trade it to someone if theyre interested tom andythepooh.com
RE: (313) Bladerunner was Re: (313) Techno Films
-Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 August 2004 13:47 it is one of my favorite movies ever. the best sample ive heard using it is the I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. part. Is it true that Rutger Hauer himself wrote that just before the scene was shot? If so, that's a pretty bloody impressive piece of screenwriting, especially coming from an actor. Brendan
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No black soldiers in Saving Private Ryan either, which is quite shocking -Original Message- From: Ken Odeluga [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 12:34 PM To: 313 Detroit Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films I'll tell you my least-favourite sort of techno film too: 'Logan's Run'! Do you know I hadn't realized that there were no African-Americans in it before I heard 'Black Hollywood' on 'Nighttime World' II?! Not saying it's compulsory to represent all colours and creeds but it does 'cause unease when this sort of thing happens ... k # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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Just out of interest, what constitutes a 'techno' film? a film about the future, or...? _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
Re: (313) Bladerunner was Re: (313) Techno Films
Blade Runner is so techno - such a rich source of samples Word on that. One of my favorite quotes is the last one by Gaff (Olmos), It's too bad she won't live! But then again, who does?. In peculiar way the 80's futuristic technology there works like an alternative version of the future we know of. Btw. the Tyrell corp. pyramid looks a bit like the one in Las Vegas, even though the settings were based on L.A. Movie in itself is a jewel, and not least because of the marvelous soundtrack. In relation to techno culture and a state of mind; Blade Runner's elements in visuals, sounds and dialogue are dictated largely by aesthetics rather than advancing the plot. The story in itself is just a backdrop for creating the mood. In a same way electronic music and techno is primarily driven by aesthetics of the sound. The sound dictates how idea's, visions and thoughts behind are brought out in their final form. The replicants sought purity and perfection; they had no moral dilemmas and they saw the life transparently. Techno as a phenomenom through music and gatherings seeks the same kind of purity. Where life and those short bypassing moments matter more than the moments before or after. The four year lifespan of nothing but their prime time can be extended to any other phenomenom. Techno culture, styles, moods, events, genre's, movements... All have their short prime time, after which they melt away or emerge into a new one's. Rikhard Dukes
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-- Original Message -- From: Brendan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] The proportion of films coming out of Hollywood which are particularly insightful or thought-provoking seems pretty much the same now as it was in, say, the late 1960s. To think otherwise (films were much better in the past) is, I'd suggest, another way in which nostalgia can override one's critical faculties. i wasnt alive then, but it seems to me that the early to mid 70s was the best time for film. think about the ridiculous amount of diverse good films coming out by kubrick, coppola, and scorcese alone. before that it seems like people were too afraid to deal with things in a frank and explicit manner, and after that things got corny. tom andythepooh.com
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-- Original Message -- From: Brendan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is it true that Rutger Hauer himself wrote that just before the scene was shot? If so, that's a pretty bloody impressive piece of screenwriting, especially coming from an actor. im not sure. it is like beautiful futuristic techno poetry. a little corny, but bah who cares. it sounds so ultra cool. tom andythepooh.com
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Quoting Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]: No black soldiers in Saving Private Ryan either, which is quite shocking It is accurate, as far as I know. American combat units had not yet been integrated. Black troops were mostly used in the motor pool and engineering divisions, as well as by the military police. It wasn't until the Korean war that you had black soldiers in the same front-line units as whites. I watched too much History Channel while I was unemployed . . . - Brian balistic Prince http://www.bprince.com - art and techno
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Ahem - http://8thwood.com/saving_private_ryan.htm -Original Message- From: Brian 'balistic' Prince [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 1:28 PM To: Robert Taylor Cc: 313 Detroit Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Quoting Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]: No black soldiers in Saving Private Ryan either, which is quite shocking It is accurate, as far as I know. American combat units had not yet been integrated. Black troops were mostly used in the motor pool and engineering divisions, as well as by the military police. It wasn't until the Korean war that you had black soldiers in the same front-line units as whites. I watched too much History Channel while I was unemployed . . . - Brian balistic Prince http://www.bprince.com - art and techno # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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Posted on behalf of Kamal Stoddard: The most techno films to me, as sean said, were not particularly sci-fi (maybe because most sci-fi films subconciously, through exclusion, suggest that blacks don't belong in the future). But bladerunner was dope. As was the spook who sat by the door, really techno imho. Eraserhead was already mentioned, but I have to second it as it's one of my favorites of all time. Sankofa ranks up there in my book, and is probably one of the most underrated films out as well. The whole cadence and rhythm of the movie screams techno to me, not to mention the drums (oh the drums). Hard to find though. Fear and loathing in las vegas always feels really techno to me. Last but not least (and I'm prolly gonna roast for this) Jisatsu Circle has to be mentioned. The opening scene alone is ill enough for me. I may come up with more later but because I can't post, I may not feel like bothering anyone again to post for me. Oh...and star wars OWNS! (I'm afraid the deflector shields will be quite operational when your friends arrive) Anyone wanting some low quality samples from the star wars series check this one http://www.dailywav.com/sq.html scroll down and enjoy. check the whole site for random television and movie samples pulled at some guys discretion. the simpsons ones are golden. take it light y'all. Kamal K. Stoddard # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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Can't say I've heard of Sankofa and Jisatsu Circle - will have to check them out. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 3:49 PM To: Brian 'balistic' Prince Cc: 313 Detroit Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Posted on behalf of Kamal Stoddard: The most techno films to me, as sean said, were not particularly sci-fi (maybe because most sci-fi films subconciously, through exclusion, suggest that blacks don't belong in the future). But bladerunner was dope. As was the spook who sat by the door, really techno imho. Eraserhead was already mentioned, but I have to second it as it's one of my favorites of all time. Sankofa ranks up there in my book, and is probably one of the most underrated films out as well. The whole cadence and rhythm of the movie screams techno to me, not to mention the drums (oh the drums). Hard to find though. Fear and loathing in las vegas always feels really techno to me. Last but not least (and I'm prolly gonna roast for this) Jisatsu Circle has to be mentioned. The opening scene alone is ill enough for me. I may come up with more later but because I can't post, I may not feel like bothering anyone again to post for me. Oh...and star wars OWNS! (I'm afraid the deflector shields will be quite operational when your friends arrive) Anyone wanting some low quality samples from the star wars series check this one http://www.dailywav.com/sq.html scroll down and enjoy. check the whole site for random television and movie samples pulled at some guys discretion. the simpsons ones are golden. take it light y'all. Kamal K. Stoddard # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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Brian 'balistic' Prince wrote on Mon, 16 Aug 2004 about following: Quoting Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]: No black soldiers in Saving Private Ryan either, which is quite shocking It is accurate, as far as I know. American combat units had not yet been integrated. Black troops were mostly used in the motor pool and engineering divisions, as well as by the military police. According to Ambrose, Stephen E. in Citizen Soldiers: There were no black infantry units in ETO (european theatre of operations). There were nine negro field artillery battalions, a few anti-aircraft battalions, and a half a dozen tank and tank destroyer battalions. Some did well, some average, some were poor. Also Patton had not been eager to accept black tankers, because he fancied that black men did not have quick enough reflexes to drive tanks in battle. He also writes in the book how nazi POW's in american camps were telling they were treated better in the camps than black people in US army. (It was common that black people were in guard-duty at POW-camps) Quite sad in my opinion. (Also remember that Ambrose was known to be rewriting the history in his books a little, so he's not 100% reliable source) I watched too much History Channel while I was unemployed . . . i wish i'd see that channel! sakke -- System error?:: Success props to mozilla.org
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On Aug 16, 2004, at 2:54 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway I am wondering if any of you esteemed people would like to suggest your favourite techno film/s. Real Genius. mlasers ... Oh, wait, you didn't mean technology ... ? ;-) - Greg
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Now I'm feeling a little better... For me I'd have to go for something by Alejandro Jodorsky, maybe Santa Sangre. Dark, twisted and outside norm, not a cliche in sight - a very clever film that works on many levels - very techno! Cheers Martin
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-Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 August 2004 16:19 Now I'm feeling a little better... For me I'd have to go for something by Alejandro Jodorsky, maybe Santa Sangre. Dark, twisted and outside norm, not a cliche in sight - a very clever film that works on many levels - very techno! I saw a bit of Holy Mountain at the weekend, but was too out of it to properly take it in. Very intriguing though, I'll need to give it another try. Alejandro Jodorsky was originally going to film Dune, before it got handed over to David Lynch. It would have been really interesting to see what he'd have made of it! I also recently read an interview with Jodorsky in which he says that the only American film of the last few decades that he can be arsed with is the amazing Starship Troopers, which he describes as an art film. I am definitely with him on that one - Starship Troopers is a criminally underrated masterpiece, IMO, and it's good to know I've got some back-up from an art-house heavyweight such as Jodorsky :) Brendan
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Now I'm feeling a little better... For me I'd have to go for something by Alejandro Jodorsky, maybe Santa Sangre. Dark, twisted and outside norm, not a cliche in sight - a very clever film that works on many levels - very techno! Hmm, only Jodorsky film I've seen is the Holy Mountain. The part where the 7 characters representing the planets are introduced is superb and I guess pretty techno, even though I actually feel lame saying that. Pretty soon we're going to be saying things like 'wow that is just sooo techno'
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lovely words :) my personal choice for 'the' techno film would be Bladerunner. I can watch it so many times and it never gets old. I think the Bladerunner soundtrack is a *must have* - it's so beautiful, one of my all-time fav soundtracks. I also liked Dark City, and Dune always felt techno to me ... but I tend to be into the sci-fi fantasy stuff. anything that has elements of beauty technology with a dark edge - that always says 'techno' to me. lisa - Original Message - From: Rikhard Dukes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, August 16, 2004 8:44 am Subject: Re: (313) Bladerunner was Re: (313) Techno Films Blade Runner is so techno - such a rich source of samples Word on that. One of my favorite quotes is the last one by Gaff (Olmos), It's too bad she won't live! But then again, who does?. In peculiar way the 80's futuristic technology there works like an alternative version of the future we know of. Btw. the Tyrell corp. pyramid looks a bit like the one in Las Vegas, even though the settings were based on L.A. Movie in itself is a jewel, and not least because of the marvelous soundtrack. In relation to techno culture and a state of mind; Blade Runner's elements in visuals, sounds and dialogue are dictated largely by aesthetics rather than advancing the plot. The story in itself is just a backdrop for creating the mood. In a same way electronic music and techno is primarily driven by aesthetics of the sound. The sound dictates how idea's, visions and thoughts behind are brought out in their final form. The replicants sought purity and perfection; they had no moral dilemmas and they saw the life transparently. Techno as a phenomenom through music and gatherings seeks the same kind of purity. Where life and those short bypassing moments matter more than the moments before or after. The four year lifespan of nothing but their prime time can be extended to any other phenomenom. Techno culture, styles, moods, events, genre's, movements... All have their short prime time, after which they melt away or emerge into a new one's. Rikhard Dukes
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Coincidentally, that film has been sitting on my desk here for ages - will watch it now Sounds pretty techno to me! Martin - I'm reminded of that Bjork quote - time to bring it up again? ;) -Original Message- From: Stewart Caig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 3:24 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Techno Films 23 Now I'm feeling a little better... For me I'd have to go for something by Alejandro Jodorsky, maybe Santa Sangre. Dark, twisted and outside norm, not a cliche in sight - a very clever film that works on many levels - very techno! Hmm, only Jodorsky film I've seen is the Holy Mountain. The part where the 7 characters representing the planets are introduced is superb and I guess pretty techno, even though I actually feel lame saying that. Pretty soon we're going to be saying things like 'wow that is just sooo techno' # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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VideoDrome (Come on that movie is totally techno!) that was going to go on my list - the quote Long Live the New Flesh was even lifted and used quite effectively by Jim Thirwell/Scraping Feotus off the Wheel (my industrial hero) MEK Stewart Caig [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org soul.co.uk cc: Subject: Re: (313) Techno Films 08/16/04 06:17 AM Thouigh I mentioned them earlier I am surprised nobody has picked up on the Cronenberg links with techno. Seeing as, for me at least, one of the key ideaologies within techno is the fusion of the organic and the synthetic, the warm soul of man and the cold soul of the machine. Much of Cronenberg's works explore themes of similar fusions, contrasts and blurring the line between the organic and synthetic . Check, for example, Naked Lunch, VideoDrome (Come on that movie is totally techno!) and eXistenZ. - Original Message - From: Brendan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Anya K Stang [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 12:04 PM Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films I'm generally agreed with everyone on the Blade Runner, Metropolis and 2001 mentions. Solaris, though, has always struck me as being a bit of an ambient film, or more accurately a Basic Channel film; when I watch it, I can't help thinking how it would work with a dubbed soundtrack by Vainqueur or Maurizio... Here are another two which I've not noticed anyone mention so far (although I may have just missed them) - Robocop (it's set in Detroit!) and Brother From Another Planet (Claude Young used the title as a pseudonym!). So both fairly techno films, and with heavily on-topic aspects to them as well. Maybe Robocop is more of a rave film though? Brendan -Original Message- From: Anya K Stang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 August 2004 11:23 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Blade Runner will always be my ultimate Techno film. Metropolis comes a pretty close second, then Solaris and 2001. I also relate to Sean on the Seven, KillBill and Snatch tip. Nothing out of the ordinary here. h. *shrugs* : ) Anya -- NEU: WLAN-Router für 0,- EUR* - auch für DSL-Wechsler! GMX DSL = supergünstig kabellos http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl
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Santa really is the one to track down, it's a real master piece. I promise you won't be disappointed. Jodorsky now runs a small cult in France and is a master of all things Tarot - interesting but very twisted individual. Cheers Martin On 16 Aug 2004, at 16:18, Brendan Nelson wrote: -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 August 2004 16:19 Now I'm feeling a little better... For me I'd have to go for something by Alejandro Jodorsky, maybe Santa Sangre. Dark, twisted and outside norm, not a cliche in sight - a very clever film that works on many levels - very techno!
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Actually, I wonder what dialogue or sound effect from Blade runner have been sampled? Although it's my favourite 'techno' film (poss my favourite film ever too in fact) I don't seem to recall any bits of it on records. Just a thought ... Stacey Pullen opens his DJ Kicks CD with it (the Bladerunner soundtrack record) and also drops some other bits of it into the mix later on. MEK
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I'd agree that some films are obvious about their technocity (that is the state of being techno?) Bladerunner, 2001, Ghost in the Shell, Robocop, Tron, etc. then there are the other films that have the texture and feel of a techno film without being overtly techno - Kurosawa's work is a prime example sometimes I prefer this type of film other films that haven't been mentioned yet: Brother from Another Planet Contact - the Jodie Foster starring film. Thought it was very techno until the end when it became some feel good/pull-at -the-heart-strings film. However, I'm not sure how they would have done it otherwise. the original Solaris by Andrei Tarkovsky - along with most of his other films especially Stalker. Das Boot - submarines anyone? Brazil, La Jetée/12 Monkeys, the Fisher King Delicatessen Frankenstein Alien and Aliens - every sequel after that can go into the garbage Godzilla - the original bw film Escape from New York (kicks Mad Max's butt any time) The Adventures of Buckaroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension! (can't wait for the sequel... ;-) Repo Man Pi of course - the soundtrack alone did it Close Encounters of the Third Kind Brainstorm Firestarter - the script and acting was pretty bad but the plot is great Rivers and Tides - a documentary about artist Andy Goldsworthy who uses nature to create some amazing artwork Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Brian 'balistic' Prince [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4.co.uk cc: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films 08/16/04 10:49 AM Posted on behalf of Kamal Stoddard: The most techno films to me, as sean said, were not particularly sci-fi (maybe because most sci-fi films subconciously, through exclusion, suggest that blacks don't belong in the future). But bladerunner was dope. As was the spook who sat by the door, really techno imho. Eraserhead was already mentioned, but I have to second it as it's one of my favorites of all time. Sankofa ranks up there in my book, and is probably one of the most underrated films out as well. The whole cadence and rhythm of the movie screams techno to me, not to mention the drums (oh the drums). Hard to find though. Fear and loathing in las vegas always feels really techno to me. Last but not least (and I'm prolly gonna roast for this) Jisatsu Circle has to be mentioned. The opening scene alone is ill enough for me. I may come up with more later but because I can't post, I may not feel like bothering anyone again to post for me. Oh...and star wars OWNS! (I'm afraid the deflector shields will be quite operational when your friends arrive) Anyone wanting some low quality samples from the star wars series check this one http://www.dailywav.com/sq.html scroll down and enjoy. check the whole site for random television and movie samples pulled at some guys discretion. the simpsons ones are golden. take it light y'all. Kamal K. Stoddard # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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[This is getting 'WAY OT. My last comment on the thread.] On Aug 16, 2004, at 12:27 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd say that it's misleading to imagine Hollywood cinema prior to Star Wars as having put substance over style; it had been pretty schlocky since its inception, IMHO. The proportion of films coming out of Hollywood which are particularly insightful or thought-provoking seems pretty much the same now as it was in, say, the late 1960s. To think otherwise (films were much better in the past) is, I'd suggest, another way in which nostalgia can override one's critical faculties. Whoa, cowboy. Is it nostalgia, or simply fact? I must be watching the wrong Hollywood flicks - what I see these days (speaking as someone that's gone to movies for, oh, 35 years or so, and whose movie-watching has gone up dramatically the last 2 1/2 years due to NetFlix and, oh, a very yummy movie-spooning partner ;) ) is a lot of retreads (remaking old movies == creative bankruptcy, IMHO), milking the cow dry (how many more comic book-derived movies do we need?), and, in general - for me anyway - I don't see much of anything that doesn't rehash old and already-done plotlines. For the occasional original gem like Magnolia there's a thousand identikit been-there, done-that movies I've seen. Plz 2 tell me your particularly insightful and thought-provoking Hollywood movies of the present day, Brendan. Ob313: It's kinda like Techno to me - 10 years ago, the expanse of the sonic palette to fill in with new Techno was utterly vast. I was so happy to be around back then and hearing all this amazing music which truly sounded like The Music Of The Future. Nowadays I hardly hear anything that sounds new to me anymore - so much music has come out in those 10 years that the sonic space has been filled up. Is it nostalgia on my part, or just the simple fact that, as time goes on, motifs get used up, styles get invented, used and over-saturated, and pretty soon there's hardly anywhere new to go (then the revivals happen ... lol). Anyway ... Re: Hating on Star Wars. Context is everything. Maybe you'd think differently about the movies (the original 3, anyway) if you were 19 years old in 1977 when the first one came out ... it hit the geek set like an atomic blast. No amount of revisionist history will ever take away what it was like to see A New Hope at Graumann's Chinese in 1977 for me. Re: Blade Runner. There's a lot of reasons to hate living in Los Angeles, but there's the occasional side benefit - I got to see the Premiere of the Director's Cut of Blade Runner, and managed to get into the screening where Rutger Hauer attended and gave a talk afterwards. When the movie ended and Rutger came out, we gave him a 5-minute standing ovation. Now THAT ruled. :-) - Greg
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Mon, 16 Aug 2004 about following: Das Boot - submarines anyone? I just recently acquired the original full length tv-series dvd of this one, it's A LOT longer than the directors cut(3h36min for directors cut and 4h42min for the original tv-series (PAL timings)), but gives a lot more depth in to the story and clears out some awkward editing -related problems in scenes. sakke -- System error?:: Success props to mozilla.org
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Tut! Namedropping is bad form, as Christpher Walken was telling me the other day -Original Message- From: Greg Earle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 4:29 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films) Re: Blade Runner. There's a lot of reasons to hate living in Los Angeles, but there's the occasional side benefit - I got to see the Premiere of the Director's Cut of Blade Runner, and managed to get into the screening where Rutger Hauer attended and gave a talk afterwards. When the movie ended and Rutger came out, we gave him a 5-minute standing ovation. Now THAT ruled. :-) - Greg # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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I didn't see I Dreamt Music by DJ Icey which samples just that part of the film's dialogue after Deckard wakes up from his dream about unicorns. Emile Facey (Plant43) To: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andrew Duke Cognition [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audioworks [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ken Odeluga m[EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Anya K Stang [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org 08/16/04 06:53 AMSubject: Re: (313) Bladerunner was Re: (313) Techno Films That's a pretty good list and includes pretty much every Blade Runner sample that I know except - Scape One - Not Human. Which uses 'my mother, I'll tell you about my mother' and I'm pretty sure Photek used a SFX on his stuff too. on 16/8/04 12:47 pm, Robert Taylor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a list of samples used: http://www.sloth.org/samples-bin/samples/source?exact=Blade+Runner - though not particularly exhaustive technowise - it seems lots of rock and hiphop acts love it too. -Original Message- From: Andrew Duke Cognition Audioworks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:45 AM To: Ken Odeluga Cc: Anya K Stang; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Bladerunner was Re: (313) Techno Films Ken Odeluga wrote: Actually, I wonder what dialogue or sound effect from Blade runner have been sampled? Although it's my favourite 'techno' film (poss my favourite film ever too in fact) I don't seem to recall any bits of it on records. Just a thought ... -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 12:30 PM To: Anya K Stang; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Blade Runner is so techno - such a rich source of samples - is there any dialogue or sound effect that hasn't been used on a techno record? -Original Message- From: Anya K Stang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:23 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Blade Runner will always be my ultimate Techno film. Metropolis comes a pretty close second, then Solaris and 2001. Blade Runner is definitely my favorite film, of any category. So many levels to it, and it was what got me into Philip K Dick's writings as well as the art of sound design and scoring for visual media such as films. The film has extra resonace because it was also the favorite film of my best friend of 29 years, Jason Trenholm, who died on January 1st of this year; I can still vividly remember the first time we watched it together. I must see this film about 5 or 6 times a year and enjoy it thoroughly each and every time. Luckily, it is on cable TV about once a month so it is easy to see often. re: samples: googling comes up with a site that says that is has been sampled by 85 groups in114 songs using 219 different samples. Take care. Andrew
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there exists a nice early-80s analog cover of the closing theme... http://www.discogs.com/release/145810 - bot - Original Message - From: Ken Odeluga [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, August 16, 2004 5:35 am Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Actually, I wonder what dialogue or sound effect from Blade runner have been sampled? Although it's my favourite 'techno' film (poss my favourite film ever too in fact) I don't seem to recall any bits of it on records. Just a thought ... -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 12:30 PM To: Anya K Stang; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Blade Runner is so techno - such a rich source of samples - is there any dialogue or sound effect that hasn't been used on a techno record? -Original Message- From: Anya K Stang [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:23 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Blade Runner will always be my ultimate Techno film. Metropolis comes a pretty close second, then Solaris and 2001. I also relate to Sean on the Seven, KillBill and Snatch tip. Nothing out of the ordinary here. h. *shrugs* : ) Anya -- NEU: WLAN-Router für 0,- EUR* - auch für DSL-Wechsler! GMX DSL = supergünstig kabellos http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl ### ## Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. ### ##
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on 8/16/04 12:28 PM, Greg Earle at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how many more comic book-derived movies do we need? hey! now youre treading on dangerous grounds mister! I for one love seeing the comic book heroes I loved as a kid brought to life on the big screen. It's great to see how faithful hollywood is to a superheroes or supervillians origins, powers, and weaknesses. The greatest comic book movie still remains, in my opinion, the first Batman movie. it was nearly perfect! showing how The Joker made Batman and how Batman made The Joker, how Bruce Wayne was just as much of a psycho as the criminals he fought (why else would a millionaire/playboy put on a bat costume and fight crime at night? he must have something not right in the head). I think XMen 2 is a close second. Spiderman was pretty good, but Spidey 2 was a little too talkey and had holes in the plot. I'm looking forward to seeing Silver Surfer, and Fantastic Four, but I'm not getting myhopes up for the Electra movie. Nothing will ever compare the the Frank Miller Daredevil/Electra storyline. I bet Hollywood cartoons her up. but I hope not. sean letting my geek flag fly deason
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not sure if these were mentioned The Abyss - the original theatre release was really cool underwater, paranoia, claustrophobic, plus a bit Drexcyian. That is until the end of the film where it all went a bit wobbly and felt like ET in a bathtub. Anyone see the directors cut? Apparently it has some footage that was cut that makes the film more complete and better. The Thing - both the 1951 original and the John Carpenter remake MEK
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Don't get me started on comic book adaptations! X-men and Spiderman have to be two of the worst films I have seen in recent years, X Men especially -Original Message- From: matrix313 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 4:59 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) comic book movies on 8/16/04 12:28 PM, Greg Earle at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how many more comic book-derived movies do we need? hey! now youre treading on dangerous grounds mister! I for one love seeing the comic book heroes I loved as a kid brought to life on the big screen. It's great to see how faithful hollywood is to a superheroes or supervillians origins, powers, and weaknesses. The greatest comic book movie still remains, in my opinion, the first Batman movie. it was nearly perfect! showing how The Joker made Batman and how Batman made The Joker, how Bruce Wayne was just as much of a psycho as the criminals he fought (why else would a millionaire/playboy put on a bat costume and fight crime at night? he must have something not right in the head). I think XMen 2 is a close second. Spiderman was pretty good, but Spidey 2 was a little too talkey and had holes in the plot. I'm looking forward to seeing Silver Surfer, and Fantastic Four, but I'm not getting myhopes up for the Electra movie. Nothing will ever compare the the Frank Miller Daredevil/Electra storyline. I bet Hollywood cartoons her up. but I hope not. sean letting my geek flag fly deason # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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the original Solaris by Andrei Tarkovsky - along with most of his other films especially Stalker. they're both s slow tho especially stalker...i love boris and arkady strugatsky's writing, and i don't think these movies even compare, tho they're good, nice for a sleepy afternoon...i know it's blasphemous but i actually prefer the newer solaris. it has a nice soundtrack too. Das Boot - submarines anyone? yes. submarine movies. techno. even the one about the hunley (tiny hand-cranked sub used by confederates in the civil war)=techno. also shark movies. jaws, deep blue sea. technOOO Brazil, La Jetée/12 Monkeys, the Fisher King i agree with brazil. 12 monekys and fisher king dont seem so techno to me tho Escape from New York (kicks Mad Max's butt any time) the first mad max? no way, no it doesnt! both great movies, both technooo. road warrior is techno too. The Adventures of Buckaroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension! (can't wait for the sequel... ;-) yeah, i guess, more like aphex twin taking the piss or something Firestarter - the script and acting was pretty bad but the plot is great good soundtrack too. faltermeyer? i forget. seriously great plot. and i totally agree about jodorowsky and starship troopers. and 2001 and dark city and bladerunner and starwars and gattaca and akira and ghost in the shell (even tho it sucks)...and thx1138...and cronenberg..the matrix is goa trance. minority report is stupid. impostor was decent. i thought screamers was good -- the pk dick short story it's based on is amazing tho -- they totally got the ending backwards in the movie. dune yeah. yeah yeah. and vibrations sounds awesome. a no-handed rave maestro?! my adds: darkstar dark water (by the ringu guy) ringu (just such great mood in this guy's movies, somewhat cold and detached but very rich feeling, i dunno..) the thing (john carpenter) memories (4 stories by the akira guy) roujin z (akira guy again, about these robot hospital beds designed to take care of the elderly for us) american psycho? it's so angular and minimal.. crouching tiger? no? zatoichi then? last emperor? robocop 1 2. the totally unexplained 8 year old kids with uzi's in #2 rule. and the robot addicted to nuke. and ahh those huge glimmering skyscrapers of detroit haha strange days? mary shelley's frankenstein nosferatu dagon (it's the dathouven fishmen!) memento cus it's so repetetitititive pitch black? 28 days later? wargames? city of god? brazilian techno? get carter (with michael caine)? transformers the movie? howards end?
(313) Vangelis influences in techno (was Blade Runner)
speaking of which - I know loads of people have been influenced by Vangelis' soundtrack one track I have that comes as close as I've heard to recreating that feel in a modern sound is Peter Benisch's track Redshift from the Sabine's Song EP on Eevo lute. Any others out there that would fit right along on the soundtrack? MEK [EMAIL PROTECTED] om To: Ken Odeluga [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Anya K Stang [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org 08/16/04 11:54 AMSubject: Re: RE: (313) Techno Films Please respond to jbartuski there exists a nice early-80s analog cover of the closing theme... http://www.discogs.com/release/145810 - bot - Original Message - From: Ken Odeluga [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, August 16, 2004 5:35 am Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Actually, I wonder what dialogue or sound effect from Blade runner have been sampled? Although it's my favourite 'techno' film (poss my favourite film ever too in fact) I don't seem to recall any bits of it on records. Just a thought ... -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 12:30 PM To: Anya K Stang; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Blade Runner is so techno - such a rich source of samples - is there any dialogue or sound effect that hasn't been used on a techno record? -Original Message- From: Anya K Stang [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:23 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Blade Runner will always be my ultimate Techno film. Metropolis comes a pretty close second, then Solaris and 2001. I also relate to Sean on the Seven, KillBill and Snatch tip. Nothing out of the ordinary here. h. *shrugs* : ) Anya -- NEU: WLAN-Router für 0,- EUR* - auch für DSL-Wechsler! GMX DSL = supergünstig kabellos http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl ### ## Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. ### ##
RE: (313) Techno Films
the original Solaris by Andrei Tarkovsky - along with most of his other films especially Stalker. they're both s slow tho especially stalker...i love boris and arkady strugatsky's writing, and i don't think these movies even compare, tho they're good, nice for a sleepy afternoon...i know it's blasphemous but i actually prefer the newer solaris. it has a nice soundtrack too. Das Boot - submarines anyone? yes. submarine movies. techno. even the one about the hunley (tiny hand-cranked sub used by confederates in the civil war)=techno. also shark movies. jaws, deep blue sea. technOOO Brazil, La Jetée/12 Monkeys, the Fisher King i agree with brazil. 12 monekys and fisher king dont seem so techno to me tho Escape from New York (kicks Mad Max's butt any time) the first mad max? no way, no it doesnt! both great movies, both technooo. road warrior is techno too. The Adventures of Buckaroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension! (can't wait for the sequel... ;-) yeah, i guess, more like aphex twin taking the piss or something Firestarter - the script and acting was pretty bad but the plot is great good soundtrack too. faltermeyer? i forget. seriously great plot. and i totally agree about jodorowsky and starship troopers. and 2001 and dark city and bladerunner and starwars and gattaca and akira and ghost in the shell (even tho it sucks)...and thx1138...and cronenberg..the matrix is goa trance. minority report is stupid. impostor was decent. i thought screamers was good -- the pk dick short story it's based on is amazing tho -- they totally got the ending backwards in the movie. dune yeah. yeah yeah. and vibrations sounds awesome. a no-handed rave maestro?! my adds: darkstar dark water (by the ringu guy) ringu (just such great mood in this guy's movies, somewhat cold and detached but very rich feeling, i dunno..) the thing (john carpenter) memories (4 stories by the akira guy) roujin z (akira guy again, about these robot hospital beds designed to take care of the elderly for us) american psycho? it's so angular and minimal.. crouching tiger? no? zatoichi then? last emperor? robocop 1 2. the totally unexplained 8 year old kids with uzi's in #2 rule. and the robot addicted to nuke. and ahh those huge glimmering skyscrapers of detroit haha strange days? mary shelley's frankenstein nosferatu dagon (it's the dathouven fishmen!) memento cus it's so repetetitititive pitch black? 28 days later? wargames? city of god? brazilian techno? get carter (with michael caine)? transformers the movie? howards end?
RE: (313) Techno Films
Tangerine Dream. Good call on Dark Star - also an excellent opportunity to ge back on topic cos Drexiya sample it on the Bubble Metropolis EP (IIRC) There's also a good chunk of it on Blech! - -Original Message- From: J.T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 5:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 Detroit Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Firestarter - the script and acting was pretty bad but the plot is great # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
RE: (313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films)
-Original Message- From: Greg Earle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 August 2004 17:29 much the same now as it was in, say, the late 1960s. To think otherwise (films were much better in the past) is, I'd suggest, another way in which nostalgia can override one's critical faculties. Whoa, cowboy. Is it nostalgia, or simply fact? It is way OT, I agree, and not really my own specialist subject either, so this'll be my last comment as well! The general point I'd make is this: when someone in 2004 thinks to themselves, say, what movies came out in 1971?, I would be pretty confident that they'll forget a whole heap of awful cash-ins, turkeys, flops and bombs that came out this year. Selective memory will make the most critically lauded films leap to the fore, and this sort of thing can generally lead to a perception of the past being better than the present. To be honest, this is a principle I find myself applying to music nostalgists more than to movie buffs, and I feel that I'm on safer ground when talking music. It's a common misconception, for example, that the 1960s wasn't all Hendrix and Coltrane, and that an awful lot of crap came out then; my general point to Rob was that the same thing applies to movies. No-one spends too much time thinking about the rubbish, and so they only tend to remember what was good. Plz 2 tell me your particularly insightful and thought-provoking Hollywood movies of the present day, Brendan. I don't quite know about present day - will fairly recent do? I thought that The Truman Show was a fairly timeless film, in that it didn't really smack of contemporary Hollywood output. I also like Groundhog Day and the games it plays with time and causality. These are pretty crappy examples, I admit. But I'm sure I could dig about on IMDB and find loads of *really* crappy movies from the 1970s, 1960s or even earlier. As I said, though, I'm no expert on film in general, and am not denying in any way that Hollywood is largely bankrupt in a creative sense. However, I'm not totally convinced by the argument that every film made in the 1970s was a masterpiece - surely it's obvious that bad films are as old as the movie industry itself? Ob313: It's kinda like Techno to me - 10 years ago, the expanse of the sonic palette to fill in with new Techno was utterly vast. I was so happy to be around back then and hearing all this amazing music which truly sounded like The Music Of The Future. Nowadays I hardly hear anything that sounds new to me anymore - so much music has come out in those 10 years that the sonic space has been filled up. Is it nostalgia on my part, or just the simple fact that, as time goes on, motifs get used up, styles get invented, used and over-saturated, and pretty soon there's hardly anywhere new to go (then the revivals happen ... lol). My own musical taste in the early 1990s was pretty much defined by the amount of new motifs, styles and sounds I heard in any particular track. Once my taste in electronic music was locked down, so to speak, I'd gravitate towards tracks that were most effective at integrating the motifs I was most drawn to (cf. Detroit techno). As I get older, I'm aware that this is more and more the case, and as you say, I don't find myself hearing anything that sounds new. But the question is, is it a sense of nostalgia for the old stuff that's somehow leading people like you or me away from the new stuff? That it is getting made, but we're all too esconced in our own musical comfort zones to encounter any of it? Or that, when we do hear it, age (and a nostalgic sense of what new-sounding music should be like; namely that it should be made with 909s and Juno synths!) somehow prevents us from perceiving the newness in a piece of music? Brendan
RE: (313) Techno Films
Just to clarify (cos of bad edit) - TD did the soundtrack to Firestarter -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 6:10 PM To: 'J.T.'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 Detroit Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Tangerine Dream. Good call on Dark Star - also an excellent opportunity to ge back on topic cos Drexiya sample it on the Bubble Metropolis EP (IIRC) There's also a good chunk of it on Blech! - -Original Message- From: J.T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 5:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 Detroit Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Firestarter - the script and acting was pretty bad but the plot is great # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
Re: (313) comic book movies
I'm looking forward to seeing Silver Surfer, and Fantastic Four, Are these in the making? It would be interesting to see how they do Galactus. but I'm not getting myhopes up for the Electra movie. Nothing will ever compare the the Frank Miller Daredevil/Electra storyline. I bet Hollywood cartoons her up. but I hope not. Oh dear, Daredevil should have stayed on the paper. I'd love to see them do Machine Man or Iron Man or just about any of the Jack Kirby drawn characters (Black Panther especially) using his artwork as a template for the visuals MgEeK
RE: (313) Techno Films
-- Original Message -- From: J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] i know it's blasphemous but i actually prefer the newer solaris. it has a nice soundtrack too. i havent seen the whole old one, fell asleep trying to watch it once. the new one was quite good though. there were some parts from the book i would have liked to have seen (like when he went out into the water/stuff to go to some little island type place) but i think it had the best parts of the book's plot down pat. and the soundtrack is quite nice, i wish it existed on vinyl. i agree with brazil. 12 monekys and fisher king dont seem so techno to me tho i think brazil and 12 monkeys are both pretty techno. the first mad max? no way, no it doesnt! both great movies, both technooo. road warrior is techno too. both of the first 2 mad max movies were great. the third was still tolerable, but nowhere near as good. ghost in the shell (even tho it sucks) what sucks about GITS? i thought the animation was good, and it has possibly one of the best purely sci-fi plots outside of bladerunner. ringu (just such great mood in this guy's movies, somewhat cold and detached but very rich feeling, i dunno..) ick. saw the US remake first (, naomi watts :) and hated it. figured i must have missed something in the translation so i rented the japanese version. i thought it was equally terrible and fell asleep. ill check out his other joints though the thing (john carpenter) very techno american psycho? it's so angular and minimal.. yeah thats a great movie. dont know how techno id consider it... crouching tiger? no? great movie, looking fwd to that Hero flick with jet li thats along that fantasy/kung fu line. i think howard the duck was pretty techno. tom andythepooh.com
Re: (313) Techno Films
Another one I thought of on the way home is La cite des enfants perdu (The city of the lost children). And just for the record, I meant Tarkovsky's Solaris earlier. Don't even know the rehash. Das Boot got mentioned earlier as well. Anyone who hasn't seen it, do get the series and not the movie. Loads better, as Sakke (I think) said. And watch it in German if you can. So much gets lost in the dubbed version. Anya
RE: (313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films)
The general point I'd make is this: when someone in 2004 thinks to themselves, say, what movies came out in 1971?, I would be pretty confident that they'll forget a whole heap of awful cash-ins, turkeys, flops and bombs that came out this year. Hopefully they wouldn't mention Star Wars because it came out in '77 MEK
Re: (313) Techno Films
-- Original Message -- From: Anya K Stang [EMAIL PROTECTED] Another one I thought of on the way home is La cite des enfants perdu (The city of the lost children). great flick, always on my top 10 sci fi films of all time list. no one mentioned the terminator yet? predator was a pretty jungle/dnb movie. recently, eternal sunshine of the spotless mind gave me that feeling that really lush detroit techno gives me. same with lost in translation. tom andythepooh.com
RE: (313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films)
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 August 2004 18:25 The general point I'd make is this: when someone in 2004 thinks to themselves, say, what movies came out in 1971?, I would be pretty confident that they'll forget a whole heap of awful cash-ins, turkeys, flops and bombs that came out this year. Hopefully they wouldn't mention Star Wars because it came out in '77 Obviously! But here we're talking about Star Wars having been a watershed - this little sub-thread has come out of Rob's original comment that Star Wars marked a turning point for Hollywood. That things were good before Star Wars and bad afterwards. That's why I used 1971 as the year in my example above... Brendan
