(313) looking for some listening?
hey all, i just dumped about 18 gigs worth of music onto the computer that my school radio station broadcasts from. it's just an i-tunes playlist going for the rest of the night, but if you listen to it through i-tunes it'll tell you the names of the tracks, and there are lots of 313 goodies in the shuffle. and check out my weekly radio show sundays from 7p-9p. good tracks, sloppy mixing. that's how i do it. anyways, point your browser this way if you're interested: http://stage.itp.nyu.edu/itpradio/ thanks t -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.synthetictom.com
Re: (313) EU Boycott and an End To European Insourcing Of Techno Music
I don't think isolationist policies of any kind can help the US at this stage. I just don't think Americans have any idea how they are perceived even by loyal allies right now. The Australian/US trade agreement has been so one-way for us it's not funny. American mass culture dominates the world, some is great, some bad, and I am a big fan of some, but it's something you need to keep in mind. At the same time the US under Bush is closing itself to 'friends'. The US, not Europe, is the cultural, political and economic hegemony. People in other countries outside the US and Europe have to pay absurd - and way higher - prices for vinyl too. It's a problem worthy of discussion but a 'boycott' won't achieve anything. -- From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 List (E-mail) 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) EU Boycott and an End To European Insourcing Of Techno Music Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 7:13 PM People, The last thing we need right now is a THEM and US war, not only is it juvenile, it's clear the work of someone who doesn't understand the scene or the people. Being a twat isn't exclusive to DJ's/Promoters/Builders/Bakers/Candle Stick Makers - Wake up. I suggest you take your bitter ugliness somewhere else. Cheers Martin Lastly, I depart with this. Why is that the USA is up in arms when technology jobs are outsourced to India and China, yet not at all DISGUSTED when the European magazines and scene come into our scenes demanding huge fees and arriving with difficult attitudes, resulting to a trend of the US getting InSourced...?
Re: (313) EU Boycott and an End To European Insourcing Of Techno Music
The US, not Europe, is the cultural, political and economic hegemony. assuming you are attaching a connotative meaning like oppression to the term hegemony, then i totally agree and we americans are also victims of our own hegemony...in fact there would be no need for such a suggestion except for the fact that it's very hard get a firm understanding of the level ov coersion and consent happening...not just under bush...it's momentum... b
Re: (313) EU Boycott and an End To European Insourcing Of Techno Music
earth sucks, hurray for earth -Joe - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 1:40 AM Subject: Re: (313) EU Boycott and an End To European Insourcing Of Techno Music The US, not Europe, is the cultural, political and economic hegemony. assuming you are attaching a connotative meaning like oppression to the term hegemony, then i totally agree and we americans are also victims of our own hegemony...in fact there would be no need for such a suggestion except for the fact that it's very hard get a firm understanding of the level ov coersion and consent happening...not just under bush...it's momentum... b
Re: (313) EU Boycott and an End To European Insourcing Of Techno Music
earth is great...people??? hm b
Re: (313) EU Boycott and an End To European Insourcing Of Techno Music
oooh misanthropy now we're seperating who's-cool from the who's-not :)_Joe - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 1:46 AM Subject: Re: (313) EU Boycott and an End To European Insourcing Of Techno Music earth is great...people??? hm b
Re: (313) EU Boycott and an End To European Insourcing Of Techno Music
what is misanthropy? big words confuse me b
Re: (313) US vs. EU crap....
I think he's *everywhere* period. ;( F**king Tiesto!!! Pisses me off that he's everywhere in the US right now. MTV is crazy for him apparently. I went to a bar last night and they had one of his videos on the big screen. a couple months back I'm flipping through the TV channels and come across the Ultraschall (sp?) Pay Per View concert with Tiesto headlining, and off course the exact moment I tune it in he's playing that f*cking Traffic track! The last thing I needed to hear was my own music coming out of my TV on a PPV special with Tiesto taking credit for composing it! oh well. the crowd of 40,000 people on the beach in Miami, where it was filmed, seemed to really enjoy the track. would it have killed him to say this is track I swiped from Sean Deason before he played it? a little gratitude is all I'm asking. :^) sean deason on 10/2/04 4:07 AM, Jason Brunton at [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered these words: Hey- most of those Trance guys are Dutch- ask KJ!!:)
Re: (313) EU Boycott and an End To European Insourcing Of Techno Music
No 'hegemony' does not necessarily imply oppression at all. But the US is like the Roman Empire - a super coloniser - and it will fall if Americans don't make the attempt to look at themselves from outside and engage. I always believed Clinton was more inclined that way but that's my political view. Unfortunately people outside - even in the UK, Australia, NZ - don't always discriminate, some people I know even see hip-hop as part of US imperialism, when it clearly springs from something altogether underground, marginal and different! They have no idea! Some people even see US DJs as part of that! It is ridiculous I know, we here all know, as we know the history, but people outside don't always discern the differences. In Australia the arts community has been fighting for a fairer take on the US/Australian trade agreement as it will remove much of what protects the Australian TV and film industry and then our popular culture will be essentially American (with the UK product the alternative). I love a lot of things that emanate from America and Australians like Heath Ledger, Russell Crowe (actually he's NZ), Nicole Kidman, Naomi Watts, Cate Blanchett, Peter Weir, Alex Proyas, etc, have been fostered in the US film industry but their roots lie in the Australian industry which is now threatened. I believe in pluralism, that's all. It's terrible that in the US Tiesto gets so much limelight, but that is happening everywhere. He's big here too. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) EU Boycott and an End To European Insourcing Of Techno Music Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 3:40 PM The US, not Europe, is the cultural, political and economic hegemony. assuming you are attaching a connotative meaning like oppression to the term hegemony, then i totally agree and we americans are also victims of our own hegemony...in fact there would be no need for such a suggestion except for the fact that it's very hard get a firm understanding of the level ov coersion and consent happening...not just under bush...it's momentum... b
RE: (313) Der Zyklus
Could I ask that any kind Italian Der Zyklus fans on the list who go to the gigs on the 6th or 8th please post a little review of what it's like? I'm also intrigued to hear who shows up to play. k -Original Message- From: David Beattie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 3:32 PM To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) Der Zyklus From the clone web site Der Zyklus - Biometry showcases 06-10-04 Iris Scan Positive - Bologna - Italy 08-10-04 Reference Template - Rome Italy 23-10-04 Hand Geometry - Glasgow - Scotland tbc. Paris - France Cheers BT --- Jason Brunton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cheers Tristan but that wasn't the post I was looking for- it was another one with three gigs/venues mentioned. The one on LD talks about the gig at Club 69 which is Rubadub's venue so I kind of knew about that :) cheers Jason On 1 Oct 2004, at 20:01, Tristan Watkins wrote: Voila: http://www.littledetroit.net/forums/viewtopic.php? t=5649highlight=zyklus Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) EU Boycott and an End To European Insourcing Of Techno Music
But the US is like the Roman Empire - a super coloniser - and it will fall i was just thinking of the unique position that dj mani is in being an american yet at the same time post-colonial... imagine what's going through his minddon't mistake that to mean i'm supportive...just understandable...i'm going to do my best not to take this discussion too far off topic, but, there are so many complex issues concerning america's future that one has to look at the recent actions as desparetely clinging to a standard of living that's impossible to maintain... not even america would chance pissing the world off if it weren't necessary...once again...not excusing anything... I always believed Clinton was more inclined that way but that's my political view. i think clinton was unique, but you can't pull at too many threads or the garment falls off...:) picture that...a naked america... some people I know even see hip-hop as part of US imperialism, i'm not going to dismiss that view wholesale since the 'distribution' of hip hop to the world is not controlled by the creators of hip hop... i am glad however that *some* of the europeans as well as the austrailians and japanese support art and/or culture other than that which they're being bludeoned with...not that america doesn't, but it gets comodified pretty quickly now-a-days... ...plus a new history is being shaped...what we experienced is very different to what the future might be like, but i have faith that something similar will take its place... It's terrible that in the US Tiesto gets so much limelight, i'm sorry to admit that i don't even know who he is...i only have the internet for media so that means no radio or tv...rarely go to movie either... i have heard of sean deason tho' :) b
RE: (313) US vs. EU crap....
SO if anyone happens to know MLWTTKC or Moroder, might want to drop them a line. Seems like folks are getting straight ripped off. Or maybe these fools have their heads so far up their own a**es that they don't know what 'written' means. Please in all seriousness, if anyone knows em, do it. Sniper shot against blatant rip-offs (not to mention crap music). k
Re: (313) EU Boycott and an End To European Insourcing Of Techno Music
But the US is like the Roman Empire - a super coloniser - and it will fall i was just thinking of the unique position that dj mani is in being an american yet at the same time post-colonial... I understand his angst, I really do. I am just saying how his stance could backfire as most people don't understand the complexities of the situation. i am glad however that *some* of the europeans as well as the austrailians and japanese support art and/or culture other than that which they're being bludeoned with...not that america doesn't, but it gets comodified pretty quickly now-a-days... It's the dumbing down of things that gets to me and you see it most in historical blockbusters, like that diabolical Hollywood film Troy. ;) That film should be rated LCD - Lowest Common Denominator. There's a very good film called The Honest Courtesan about the life of the Renaissance poet Veronica Franco which was dumbed down and called Dangerous Beauty - diabolical - in the US as, despite his degrees, the exec didn't know what a courtesan was and figured US audiences wasn't either. All the darkness was taken out of the film as well. The same mentality dictates that dumbed down 'techno' - ie Tiesto - is hailed above the real thing - or at least something more layed and complex. It's like comparing Brad Pitt to Derek Jacobi. How funny - and ironic - is it that David Lynch's Muholland Drive, a very clever US film (even if it was a postmodern conceit in the old fashioned sense) should be funded by the French. ;)
(313) Manchester heads up Bonfire Night (a bit spam)
Right. You'll all have to trust me if you're within reasonable driving distance of Manchester. What I'm saying is this. As soon as you see any tickets on sale for the Roadhouse for Bonfire Night (5th Nov), buy one or two immediately. Can't say who's on, but trust me, you'll want to go. Thanks. And don't say I didn't warn you. Alex _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) [Fwd: FW: EAR techno declaration of an EU boycott and an END TOEUROPEAN insourcing of TECHNO MUSIC]
as no one has owt to say, I'll be the official 313 phonetics teacher for the day instead (to answer yussel's Q): WHAT??? WHAT??? ARE YOU HAVING A TIN BATH? At the risk of getting flamed, what's a tin bath? I guess you call it Rhyming Slang, although much of it only works in a southern accent, some types of rhyming slang can work in a northern accent too. Southern: Tin Barth is how it's pronounced. e.g. you say laugh more sort of like larf. Northern: Tin Bath is pronounced almost Tin Bafff. and laugh is pronounced almost Laff. did I get that right? did you sort of understand that Yussel? off topic? me? surely not. _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
(313) a great month in Minneapolis - D.May/Ghostly/D.Bell
Derrick May Oct 16th @ Basik/First Avenue presented by Nepenthe Productions http://nepentheproductions.com/ 10pm - 3am $6 before 10:30 $10 after 10:30 3 Hour set by Derrick May Ghostly Showcase Oct 23rd @ the Kitty Cat Klub 313 14th Ave SE, Minneapolis, 612.331.9800 Solvent (Ghostly, Morr Music, Suction) Lusine (Ghostly, Hymen, Isophlux) Cepia (Ghostly, Merck, Anticon) 10pm (21+) (and as it's been mentioned before) Daniel Bell Oct 29th @ the Dinkytowner presented by Convergence $5 cover 21+ Oooh one more Roy Davis Jr. Thursday, November 4th @ Marini Blu 615 Second Ave South, Mpls 612.752.9595 NO COVER (and no dress code thankfully)
(313) Adventures of Placid in Acid House Wonderland.
Ha! I spotted Placid on the deephousepage! http://deephousepage.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=19;t=020133 Now, I'm not a betting man, but if I was, I'd be betting that Placid is dreaming of a plan to put a team of elite cat-burgulars together to go see 'JMJ'!! Btw, check that dude out! Pierre came round my house in '85 looking for feedback on it Ha!! Imagine that...! Cool pub story to have that! Alex _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
(313) EU Boycott : An Irish response
To view Mani's remarks with serious concern is neither to overreact to them, nor to misconstrue them. The plain fact that his comments were ill conceived, poorly phrased and badly judged is not something for those offended to overlook, but for him to redress. Since he has made the decision to post them on a forum such as this, then he must stand by them and bear full responsibility for any insult they have caused. Moreover, it is not wrong to view his comments as political in nature, as the use of the term boycott was , I believe, his. A boycott is a withdrawal from commercial or social relations as a punishment, or protest (OED). Added to this, his rant had more than a little of the tone of a rallying call to other US promoters. The only reasonable inference from his regrettable diatribe is that any American promoter who books a European artist other than those few specifically mentioned had better prepare for an overpaid, talentless egotist to show up. While it may be clear to some who know Mani that this is not what he meant, it is far from clear from his words, since this is in fact what he said. This is clearly outrageous. It may come as a surprise for you to hear that a great number of American artists arrive in Europe underprepared, play sloppy and less than inspiring sets, lazily play the sets they think Europeans want to hear rather than music that faithfully represents their own work, yet do demand huge fees, business class flights etc. (see your own list of complaints). This is if they bother to show up at all. In Dublin alone, it has become something of a gamble to choose to attend an event with an American headlining act. We have, however, always viewed these as exceptional occurrences, and never considered the option of a blanket ban on American acts. We continue to support the music we love by booking American Djs and producers for our club and annual DEAF festival, releasing work by American artists on our Dublin based label, D1 Recordings, and music from Irish artists through the Submerge distributed D1aspora. We also, of course, continue to support our own homegrown talent, most of whom yes, have day jobs, and yes, often outshine our trans-atlantic friends. In order to understand the European scene, I respectfully suggest that a trip to Europe is indeterminably more useful than a trip to India, particularly since said trip has given him the impression that Europe is populated in the main by smug, self-satisfied, indolent fatcats of little talent. To add further insults to injury, the loss of American jobs to the Far East due to corporate globalisation strategies is somehow another reason to be not just angry, but DISGUSTED with the European electronic music scene. This from a man who, we are told, has been doing some deep thinking of late. We hope you can manage not to be too angry with European artists over the loss of American jobs, since we have always managed not to be DISGUSTED with the American techno community for Irish jobs moving to, among other places, your spiritual home, India. Furthermore, Mani's ill-advised publication of a limited safe-list of European artists rather embarrassingly associates them with his xenophobic ravings. Fortunately, we can spot the potential embarrassment, and ignore this. Less fortunately, Mani did not. Finally, it is saddening to hear that Mani cannot sit by any longer and watch what was created here [in the US] get redone and sold back to us at import prices. Quite apart from dismissing the work of European artists as a mere rehash of American music, which is an insult in itself and I'm sure will raise an eyebrow even with those on his safe-list, he fails to appreciate the influence Europe has had on American techno, and the valuable support Europe has lent it. It is an unfortunate fact that since its inception, American techno has enjoyed little interest at home, but has been the subject of intense admiration in Europe. It is not the fault of Europeans that the vast majority of American youth would rather listen to Linkin Park than Kenny Larkin. Just as it is not the fault of Europeans that the vast majority of Americans would rather watch basketball than soccer, thereby forcing many American soccer players to ply their trade in Europe. Or that jazz is enjoying a surge in popularity in Europe while suffering difficulties in the US, its home. Now that techno is finally enjoying some of the home support it has always deserved, it is wrong to try to consolidate that support by shutting the door to the continent that has helped it stay alive through the barren years of US indifference. Eamonn : D1 Recordings / D1aspora Ireland --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.770 / Virus Database: 517 - Release Date: 27/09/04
RE: (313) Adventures of Placid in Acid House Wonderland.
Jmj is da man he swapped his copy of mr fingers mystery of love on alleviated with me I got an unreleased track off him that he did with k alexi.. all in all he got some stories.. and a very nice guy aswell... p -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 October 2004 16:02 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Adventures of Placid in Acid House Wonderland. Ha! I spotted Placid on the deephousepage! http://deephousepage.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=19;t=020133 Now, I'm not a betting man, but if I was, I'd be betting that Placid is dreaming of a plan to put a team of elite cat-burgulars together to go see 'JMJ'!! Btw, check that dude out! Pierre came round my house in '85 looking for feedback on it Ha!! Imagine that...! Cool pub story to have that! Alex _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) a great month in Minneapolis - D.May/Ghostly/D.Bell
...and we just had Richard Devine and Jeff Milligan (Algorithm) here on Friday, and Jeff Samuel a couple weeks back. wow, didn't know about Roy Davis Jr. Looks like I might be breaking my own personal 'I'm never ever setting foot in Martini Blu' rule. - jobot - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 4, 2004 9:51 am Subject: (313) a great month in Minneapolis - D.May/Ghostly/D.Bell Derrick May Oct 16th @ Basik/First Avenue presented by Nepenthe Productions http://nepentheproductions.com/ 10pm - 3am $6 before 10:30 $10 after 10:30 3 Hour set by Derrick May Ghostly Showcase Oct 23rd @ the Kitty Cat Klub 313 14th Ave SE, Minneapolis, 612.331.9800 Solvent (Ghostly, Morr Music, Suction) Lusine (Ghostly, Hymen, Isophlux) Cepia (Ghostly, Merck, Anticon) 10pm (21+) (and as it's been mentioned before) Daniel Bell Oct 29th @ the Dinkytowner presented by Convergence $5 cover 21+ Oooh one more Roy Davis Jr. Thursday, November 4th @ Marini Blu 615 Second Ave South, Mpls 612.752.9595 NO COVER (and no dress code thankfully)
RE: (313) EU Boycott : An Irish response
Very well said, Eamonn. This is the most clear and articulate response to Mani's boycott announcement that I've read yet. I do hope that those who've been accusing some of us of overreacting to the proposed boycott of our continent's electronic music scene take the time to read through this post and take its well-made points into consideration. Brendan -Original Message- From: D1 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 October 2004 16:09 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) EU Boycott : An Irish response To view Mani's remarks with serious concern is neither to overreact to them, nor to misconstrue them. The plain fact that his comments were ill conceived, poorly phrased and badly judged is not something for those offended to overlook, but for him to redress...
RE: (313) Adventures of Placid in Acid House Wonderland.
all in all he got some stories.. Hmm, shame we can't coax a few out of him for the list, that's be proper interesting reading! e.g. K-Alexi made 'essence of a dream' while sittting in the bath spinning on his head and using 14 copies of a reel with kikorokos on. and his pot noodle got burnt because pierre left his 303 on and he thought it was a kettle. (or something like that) I like those kinda stories. Wonder when that Tim Lawrence book on the 80's is coming? That has to be full of Chicago surely. I don't think I can wait for that book, it's going to be the bomb I reckon. Anyone here know anything about that? _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
RE: (313) EU Boycott : An Irish response
Very well said, Eamonn. This is the most clear and articulate response to Mani's boycott announcement that I've read yet. I do hope that those who've been accusing some of us of overreacting to the proposed boycott of our continent's electronic music scene take the time to read through this post and take its well-made points into consideration. Brendan I agree 100% Brendan. Mind you, I kinda thought you and Rob were accusing me of over reacting tho...? Did I read that wrong? But, I was over reacting for sure, but these kinda things tend to get me all worked up. _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: RE: (313) EU Boycott : An Irish response
I'll second this. I'm sitting here at work having a moment of I heart the 313 list in reaction to Eamonn's post. Lisa - Original Message - From: Brendan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 4, 2004 11:14 am Subject: RE: (313) EU Boycott : An Irish response Very well said, Eamonn. This is the most clear and articulate response to Mani's boycott announcement that I've read yet. I do hope that those who've been accusing some of us of overreacting to the proposed boycott of our continent's electronic music scene take the time to read through this post and take its well-made points into consideration. Brendan -Original Message- From: D1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 October 2004 16:09 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) EU Boycott : An Irish response To view Mani's remarks with serious concern is neither to overreact to them, nor to misconstrue them. The plain fact that his comments were ill conceived, poorly phrased and badly judged is not something for those offended to overlook, but for him to redress...
Re: (313) EU Boycott : An Irish response
The plain fact that his comments were ill conceived, poorly phrased and badly judged is not something for those offended to overlook, but for him to redress. Since he has made the decision to post them on a forum such as this, then he must stand by them and bear full responsibility for any insult they have caused. Couldn't agree more. I felt it was rather poor choice of words no matter what the intent was. Unless, of course, the intent was to anger loads of people. This should not be swept under the carpet - if you're writing to make yourself understood on a message board/email list then the very words you choose are the most important factor to consider. Anyone who has used email for any amount of time should know that (especially on the 313 list). It was a careless posting. MEK
Re: RE: (313) EU Boycott : An Irish response
-- Original Message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'll second this. I'm sitting here at work having a moment of I heart the 313 list in reaction to Eamonn's post. and here i was wondering if he was that white r+b singer with that pop hit (f*ck it) i dont want you back or whatever. hahahaha. sike naw. tom andythepooh.com
(313) Record pressing in USA
Well, we've had phonetics today, and now I'm moving over to the world of economics. Quick Q for you: Where do you small indie record label men get your records pressed over there? How much is it for say, 500 or 1000, and a 2 colour label? Is it worthwhile a euro label getting their records pressed in America, as the dollar is so weak against the pound and euro at the moment? Considering £100 can be the difference between losing/breaking even and making a profit at the mo, do you think it's worth looking into? Would be interested. TA. Alex Bond *Head of Techno Economics, University of Life* _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
(313) DOX 003
Jus picked this up for 50p in my local shop and trying to find out who it is... It has an nsc stamp but no other info. A yellow label with black writing 'dox 003' on one side and a blank yellow label with a black 'pulse' going though it on the other. Minmal techno and a pretty nice acid track... Any takers p
Re: (313) DOX 003
http://www.discogs.com/release/80443 possibly? MEK placid [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org o.ukcc: Subject: (313) DOX 003 10/04/2004 10:54 AM Jus picked this up for 50p in my local shop and trying to find out who it is... It has an nsc stamp but no other info. A yellow label with black writing 'dox 003' on one side and a blank yellow label with a black 'pulse' going though it on the other. Minmal techno and a pretty nice acid track... Any takers p
Re: (313) Record pressing in USA
Well, we've had phonetics today, and now I'm moving over to the world of economics. Quick Q for you: Where do you small indie record label men get your records pressed over there? How much is it for say, 500 or 1000, and a 2 colour label? Is it worthwhile a euro label getting their records pressed in America, as the dollar is so weak against the pound and euro at the moment? Considering £100 can be the difference between losing/breaking even and making a profit at the mo, do you think it's worth looking into? Hi Alex, My comments are this are this: SHIPPING SHIPPING SHIPPING Any money that you might make in the current exchange, you're going to lose out with shipping. Records are not light. The only way I see this as being economically feasible, is if you were planning on selling all of these in the US and were going to ship directly from Factory to distributor. Cheers... Dave
(313) Native Funk
There's a white label around at the mo on the Native Funk label. I'm fairly sure the remix on one side is by Scott Fergusson but I'm nt sure who the other side is by. I've heard it's by Audio Dub Odyssey and other have said it's Rick Wade (tho it doesn't really sound like him). it's a great 12 btw. kinda beatdown house based around a fingers bassline. anyone? ta robin...
Re: (313) Record pressing in USA
import duty and vat (they are separate) might also present probs. robin... On 4 Oct 2004, at 16:59, David Bate wrote: Is it worthwhile a euro label getting their records pressed in America, as the dollar is so weak against the pound and euro at the moment? Considering £100 can be the difference between losing/breaking even and making a profit at the mo, do you think it's worth looking into? My comments are this are this: SHIPPING SHIPPING SHIPPING
RE: (313) Native Funk
Got mine from juno.. Vvvv nice. p -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 October 2004 17:13 To: 313 Org Subject: (313) Native Funk There's a white label around at the mo on the Native Funk label. I'm fairly sure the remix on one side is by Scott Fergusson but I'm nt sure who the other side is by. I've heard it's by Audio Dub Odyssey and other have said it's Rick Wade (tho it doesn't really sound like him). it's a great 12 btw. kinda beatdown house based around a fingers bassline. anyone? ta robin...
Re: (313) Record pressing in USA
Any money that you might make in the current exchange, you're going to lose out with shipping. Records are not light. The only way I see this as being economically feasible, is if you were planning on selling all of these in the US and were going to ship directly from Factory to distributor. Hmm, yes, had thought about the shipping. However, there must be a relatively cheap way, as all those tight a** record dealers I know get entire collections and half of warehouses shipped back. And there's no way they're paying top dollar. I should ask. Also, yeah. Hmm, say if you could get US dist. Might make it worth it. But by sounds of it at the mo, that might be tricky. Thanks Alex one to ponder I think. _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) Record pressing in USA
import duty and vat (they are separate) might also present probs. oh yeah. d'oh *slaps head* right, sack that idea off kids, if you listen to me, I can lose you thousands! _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) Native Funk
Where can I find audio files on the internet? - Original Message - From: placid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'robin' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 6:14 PM Subject: RE: (313) Native Funk Got mine from juno.. Vvvv nice. p -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 October 2004 17:13 To: 313 Org Subject: (313) Native Funk There's a white label around at the mo on the Native Funk label. I'm fairly sure the remix on one side is by Scott Fergusson but I'm nt sure who the other side is by. I've heard it's by Audio Dub Odyssey and other have said it's Rick Wade (tho it doesn't really sound like him). it's a great 12 btw. kinda beatdown house based around a fingers bassline. anyone? ta robin...
Re: (313) Native Funk
also try http://www.vinylunderground.co.uk/ in the deep house section. evil evil Realplayer files tho :) robin... On 4 Oct 2004, at 17:22, DJ Ken wrote: Where can I find audio files on the internet? - Original Message - From: placid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'robin' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 6:14 PM Subject: RE: (313) Native Funk Got mine from juno.. Vvvv nice. p -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 October 2004 17:13 To: 313 Org Subject: (313) Native Funk There's a white label around at the mo on the Native Funk label. I'm fairly sure the remix on one side is by Scott Fergusson but I'm nt sure who the other side is by. I've heard it's by Audio Dub Odyssey and other have said it's Rick Wade (tho it doesn't really sound like him). it's a great 12 btw. kinda beatdown house based around a fingers bassline. anyone? ta robin...
RE: (313) [Fwd: FW: EAR techno declaration of an EU boycott and a n END TOEUROPEAN insourcing of TECHNO MUSIC]
This guy is getting stepped on, and though I can understand where people are coming from with their angry responses as a knee jerk reaction, I cannot see this stance holding water after a sober read of his initial post. The year 2004 has been an eye-opening one for myself and the obS/ EAR collective. For 28 years of my life I have always looked outward when it came to many aspects of my existence (my cultural identity, even appreciation from others and my choices in music)... ... I have decided to make a major change in the way EAR considers techno music from here on as an individual organization and collective of artists. I have decided that I am going to begin looking inward. dunno how anyone can have an issue with this. the mans saying he had experiences that have led him personally to change the direction of focus when it comes to the music he most wants to support. matter of personal opinion really and more importantly, obviously worded to denote a personal change in views and not a call to arms as it's being interpreted. This means that this collective of artists will remain tied to the American scene and American DJs as it is our artists who need the assistance, the monetary funds and even the recognition that is deserved and lacking. what i read here is a fella opting to use his available resources to help those he feels are most in need and deserving of it. I think this kind of consciousness regarding where your dollar falls is lacking in global spending in general (not just dj bookings and entertainment) and if more people even thought about spending where it counts, we'd be a lot better off (this especially applies to americans). so I applaud this statement. even if I didn't agree with his reasons, i'd never slag a man for backing his beliefs with his dollars. Plus, given the reality that euro talent is so much more lucrative here currently, he may have even lost money on this move. I cannot sit by any longer and watch what was created here in the States get redone and sold back to us at import prices. Yet, we have made an exception with two artists: The Advent and Steve Rachmad as they have shown their respect to the American sound and to the scenes in Chicago and Detroit respectively, while also pioneering their own sounds and even actually helping the American scene and its artists. the price issue is moot as everyone pays high dollar for imports. the fact that we geopoliticaly lay claim to the genesis of the genre doesn't justify higher import prices for some and not others. I disagree with Mani on this one. import prices are another conversation altogether(I've seen what US imports go for in london). His statement about sterac and Advent are proof to me that he is really only talking about those euro dj's that (in his opinion) do not support or show any respect to a scene that they recieve their living ( or a portion thereof) from. on the same note i would say that if european promoters are getting the same treatment from american talent, STOP BOOKING THEM! i don't care how many heads their name will pull through the door, if they're rude, undependable and expensive, don't bring them back. Basically, i feel that he's got limited resources and is giving american talent priority on hs roster because he feels we need it to keep techno here alive. he's ob! viously giving europeans that he feels deserving of it just as much a share of what he's got. Just because he can't fit in more artists WE feel deserve it more doesn't make it an ill maneuver. That just means maybe he hasn't met those guys and spent enough time with them to find out why he should support them. I still don't see the part where he's telling anyone to boycott all european talent. Lastly, I depart with this. Why is that the USA is up in arms when technology jobs are outsourced to India and China, yet not at all DISGUSTED when the European magazines and scene come into our scenes demanding huge fees and arriving with difficult attitudes, resulting to a trend of the US getting InSourced...? How many US artists do you know with day jobs, more talent than the the headliner flown in on business class, yet that same cat plays his/her heart out for a few measly bucks after working a full time work week and has to watch a premadonna global talent get paid tens of thousands and refuse to play a minute longer than the contract. It is not proper and I am personally making a stand with my collective of artists... I suspect this is the part that has garnered the most replies. at least i think this is what most were referring to when speaking about the tone of the message. this is not the message. it's a statement that he made in conclusion. and i would wager a statement that has been made by many after having had shoddy experiences with overpaid, rude, unsupportive talent. I have many friends on many continents and everytime i go out with them to hear someone play, either a dj or a
RE: (313) Paul Mac Classics Mix up at EmotionElectric
thaks Robin for this, after a heavy heavy weekend this is just what I needed!! Thanks also to Paul, its nice to have a mix of his, finally! :) so any reports on the Split party with Blake Baxter Kenny Larkin? or are we still recovering like me.. I got too see Anthony Rother, I known not strictly 313 but man can this guy put on a live show, his electro minimal beats and vocals had me and the crowd going nuts.. -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01 October 2004 17:07 To: 313 Org Subject: (313) Paul Mac Classics Mix up at EmotionElectric We have great pleasure in having a chicago/acid classics mix up on emotionelectric.com by Paul Mac (Fragmented). Tracklist to come, not that most of you will need it :) Have a good weekend folks. (big thanks to Placid for the hookup) --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.771 / Virus Database: 518 - Release Date: 28/09/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.771 / Virus Database: 518 - Release Date: 28/09/04
Re: (313) Paul Mac Classics Mix up at EmotionElectric
On 4 Oct 2004, at 17:35, ian cheshire wrote: thaks Robin for this, after a heavy heavy weekend this is just what I needed!! Thanks also to Paul, its nice to have a mix of his, finally! :) thanks ian, tracklisting is as follows: Paul Mac - Classics Mix - www.emotionelectric.com 1, nervous acid - bobby kondors (nu groove) 2, cant get enough - liz torres (state street) 3, the poke - adonis and the endless poker (dj international) 4, scream - bam bam (westbrook) 5, when you hold me - master c+j (trax) 6, on a journey - qx 1 (rythmn beat) 7, open your eyes - marshell jefferson (big beat) 8, house girl - mystic (rockin house) 9, come get my lovin - dionne (big shot) 10, rock the party right - cool house (underground) 11, what you make me feel - liz torres (underground) 12, acid hole - lidell townsend (trax) 13, you're only friend - phuture (trax) 14, give it to me - bam bam (westbrook) 15, extasy - adrenalin mod (mca) 16, dream 17 - annette (de-construction) 17, in the pocket - dynamic duo (nu groove) 18, acid thunder - fast eddie (dj international) 19, you used to hold me - ralphie rosario (hotmix 5) 20, slam - phuture (trax) 21, twighlight zone - party boy (urban) 22, lack of love - charles b (desire) 23, 7 day weekend - open house (lethal) 24, this is the place - stickmen (clubhouse) 25, the groove - suburban knight (transmat) 26, personal problem - md 3 (underground) 27, first power - revelation (atmosphere) 28, let the music move you - nightwriters (danica) 29, no way back - adonis (trax) 30, can you feel it - mr fingers (trax)
RE: (313) [Fwd: FW: EAR techno declaration of an EU boycott and an END TOEUROPEAN insourcing of TECHNO MUSIC]
I still don't see the part where he's telling anyone to boycott all european talent. The e-mails subject line seems to be saying it.
Re: (313) Record pressing in USA
However, there must be a relatively cheap way, as all those tight a** record dealers I know get entire collections and half of warehouses shipped back. And there's no way they're paying top dollar. I should ask. Hi Alex, Shipping by the Pallet is what makes things much cheaper when shipping overseas. Unfortunately 500-1000 records won't fill a pallet. Dave
Re: (313) Record pressing in USA
However, there must be a relatively cheap way, as all those tight a** record dealers I know get entire collections and half of warehouses shipped back. And there's no way they're paying top dollar. I should ask. Hi Alex, Shipping by the Pallet is what makes things much cheaper when shipping overseas. Unfortunately 500-1000 records won't fill a pallet. Dave
Re: (313) US vs. EU crap....
Hello 313, We all know who the only common enemy is in the USA. It's the UK crap trance dj's that have bled the USA dry. And why ? Because the sheep in the USA consume that crap. I think Fred sums it up best here, music isn't controlled by talent or originality it's publicity,exposure and fashion. Djs aren't booked on their talent, it's their name. I'm afraid its the way of the world :) I personally agree with Mani's sentiments completely and I applaud his actions, where he fails however is in his 'mission statement'. To me it's not EU artists to blame but rather the US promoters who pay these artists? Which I understand from Mike's emails, Mani includes(or rather did) himself part of. Then again an artist is only worth what a promoter is willing to pay and a promoter is willing to pay only what he can make back it's sh*t. I'm yet to understand what people are trying to achieve with this boycott? Do you want US DJs to be making as much money as tietso et al.? Perhaps someone can explain the ideal goal, it is just a bit more money, a lot more money, what exactly? Oh and what I don't understand is why this was posted to 313 where clearly everyone on the list pays homage to US music? -Mike This message has been scanned but we cannot guarantee that it and any attachments are free from viruses or other damaging content: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation.
RE: (313) [Fwd: FW: EAR techno declaration of an EU boycott and a n END TOEUROPEAN insourcing of TECHNO MUSIC]
but surely to reply to an insinuation made in the subject or the footer and disregard the explicitly personal nature of the entire message body is not a way to gain an understanding of his motives. and all replies have been to the nature of his motives. just think there's a lot of smoke being blown about when the fire ain't that hot yet. Kamal K. Stoddard Turner Broadcasting Systems Bebop was about change, about evolution. It wasn't about standing still and becoming safe. If anybody wants to keep creating they have to be about change.
RE: (313) Record pressing in USA
Maybe something stupid : Amazon now offers Marketplace services. Here in France, it seems a good number of the sellers are professional, and they're sending from the US... And it's relatively cheap : for example, Caiman (www.caiman.com) charged me EUR2.49 for a single CD, that took about 2 weeks to cross the Atlantic... So maybe there's something there ? Maybe there's also a loophole in taxes, different laws for some US states ? Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : David Bate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Monday, October 04, 2004 6:42 PM À : 313@hyperreal.org Objet : Re: (313) Record pressing in USA However, there must be a relatively cheap way, as all those tight a** record dealers I know get entire collections and half of warehouses shipped back. And there's no way they're paying top dollar. I should ask. Hi Alex, Shipping by the Pallet is what makes things much cheaper when shipping overseas. Unfortunately 500-1000 records won't fill a pallet. Dave
Re: (313) EU Boycott : An Irish response
On Oct 4, 2004, at 4:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 16:09:09 +0100 Wow, how did Ireland get a day and an hour ahead of GMT? Eamonn, I was with you 100% until I got to: Just as it is not the fault of Europeans that the vast majority of Americans would rather watch basketball than soccer, We Yanks consider this is a feature, not a bug ;-) #include std_Team_sports_are_rubbish_but_soccer's_boring_rant.h Now that techno is finally enjoying some of the home support it has always deserved, *Sputter* Whoa, who brought over the Crack pipe to Eamonn's just as he was finishing his rant? If Techno is finally enjoying some of the home support, I must never be visiting (much less living in) the places where it's happening - from where I sit, Techno in the States is basically on Life Support at this point. That's partly why I want to kiss the ground when I go to Detroit for DEMF/Movement - it absolutely dumbfounds me that such an amazing event can take place on American soil, because the culture is so dead (or dying) most everywhere else over here. (I can only speak authoritatively for Los Angeles, of course, but I do read event calendars for other cities from time to time, and have noticed that the quantity of events have uniformly decreased across the board with, perhaps, only certain exceptions.) But, otherwise, fair dinkum - cheers for that, Eamonn. - Greg
Re: (313) US vs. EU crap....
hi again, certain american artists can only make like 2-300 bucks in Chicago while Adam Beyer, Surgeon come here to America and get paid 5000 bucks plus a 5 star plus business class airfare.. hmm, if we swap American/America - British/Britain and Adam Beyer - Rolando, Chicago- leeds, Nottingham, London? It works both ways. -Mike This message has been scanned but we cannot guarantee that it and any attachments are free from viruses or other damaging content: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation.
Re: (313) [Fwd: FW: EAR techno declaration of an EU boycott and an END TOEUROPEAN insourcing of TECHNO MUSIC]
got it. i mean- i don't 'get it', cockney wierdos ;) but i got it. knowwhatimsayin On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as no one has owt to say, I'll be the official 313 phonetics teacher for the day instead (to answer yussel's Q): WHAT??? WHAT??? ARE YOU HAVING A TIN BATH? At the risk of getting flamed, what's a tin bath? I guess you call it Rhyming Slang, although much of it only works in a southern accent, some types of rhyming slang can work in a northern accent too. Southern: Tin Barth is how it's pronounced. e.g. you say laugh more sort of like larf. Northern: Tin Bath is pronounced almost Tin Bafff. and laugh is pronounced almost Laff. did I get that right? did you sort of understand that Yussel? off topic? me? surely not. _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) EU Boycott : An Irish response
it's not just posting. it's the homepage to his website. On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The plain fact that his comments were ill conceived, poorly phrased and badly judged is not something for those offended to overlook, but for him to redress. Since he has made the decision to post them on a forum such as this, then he must stand by them and bear full responsibility for any insult they have caused. Couldn't agree more. I felt it was rather poor choice of words no matter what the intent was. Unless, of course, the intent was to anger loads of people. This should not be swept under the carpet - if you're writing to make yourself understood on a message board/email list then the very words you choose are the most important factor to consider. Anyone who has used email for any amount of time should know that (especially on the 313 list). It was a careless posting. MEK
Re: (313) Record pressing in USA
i know nothing about pricing, but i do know that half the records i own say made in canada. maybe check there? On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, we've had phonetics today, and now I'm moving over to the world of economics. Quick Q for you: Where do you small indie record label men get your records pressed over there? How much is it for say, 500 or 1000, and a 2 colour label? Is it worthwhile a euro label getting their records pressed in America, as the dollar is so weak against the pound and euro at the moment? Considering £100 can be the difference between losing/breaking even and making a profit at the mo, do you think it's worth looking into? Would be interested. TA. Alex Bond *Head of Techno Economics, University of Life* _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) US vs. EU crap....
on thsi whole tiesto tip... i happen to be reviewing his new cd right now, and to my considerable suprise, track 2 definately sounds like somethign i can picture a lot of 313 DJs playing, sans the little breakdown in the middle. sean's track is coming up next. should be intersting. but if this is what people are dancing too these days, i'd say it's a damn site better than the trance of a few years back. On Mon, 4 Oct 2004, Michael Lees wrote: Hello 313, We all know who the only common enemy is in the USA. It's the UK crap trance dj's that have bled the USA dry. And why ? Because the sheep in the USA consume that crap. I think Fred sums it up best here, music isn't controlled by talent or originality it's publicity,exposure and fashion. Djs aren't booked on their talent, it's their name. I'm afraid its the way of the world :) I personally agree with Mani's sentiments completely and I applaud his actions, where he fails however is in his 'mission statement'. To me it's not EU artists to blame but rather the US promoters who pay these artists? Which I understand from Mike's emails, Mani includes(or rather did) himself part of. Then again an artist is only worth what a promoter is willing to pay and a promoter is willing to pay only what he can make back it's sh*t. I'm yet to understand what people are trying to achieve with this boycott? Do you want US DJs to be making as much money as tietso et al.? Perhaps someone can explain the ideal goal, it is just a bit more money, a lot more money, what exactly? Oh and what I don't understand is why this was posted to 313 where clearly everyone on the list pays homage to US music? -Mike This message has been scanned but we cannot guarantee that it and any attachments are free from viruses or other damaging content: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation.
(313) What tracks influenced Derrick Carter the most?
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RE: (313) [Fwd: FW: EAR techno declaration of an EU boycott and a n END TOEUROPEAN insourcing of TECHNO MUSIC]
Not to sound like some kind of Miss Manners but the subject line sort of sets the precedent for what is to come in the message don't you think? I think it's fair to say that first impressions really were the determining factor here. What was to follow obviously could be read in many different ways so clarity was of upmost importance from the get go. That subject line does throw up a red flag I think. MEK Stoddard, Kamal [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 'Hardie, Nick' [EMAIL PROTECTED] urner.com cc: 313 List (E-mail) 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) [Fwd: FW: EAR techno declaration of an EU boycott and a n END 10/04/2004 11:58 TOEUROPEAN insourcing of TECHNO MUSIC] AM but surely to reply to an insinuation made in the subject or the footer and disregard the explicitly personal nature of the entire message body is not a way to gain an understanding of his motives. and all replies have been to the nature of his motives. just think there's a lot of smoke being blown about when the fire ain't that hot yet. Kamal K. Stoddard Turner Broadcasting Systems Bebop was about change, about evolution. It wasn't about standing still and becoming safe. If anybody wants to keep creating they have to be about change.
RE: (313) [Fwd: FW: EAR techno declaration of an EU boycott and an END TOEUROPEAN insourcing of TECHNO MUSIC]
To paraphrase the first paragraph of his statement: For a long time obS/EAR existed as an entity which assisted in marketing EU artists and beyond into the US... I have decided to make a major change... I have decided that I am going to begin looking inward. This means that this collective of artists will remain tied to the American scene and American DJs... I cannot sit by any longer and watch what was created here in the States get redone and sold back to us at import prices. Yet, we have made an exception with [Steve Rachmad and the Advent] This - alongside the much more succinct headline - makes it exceptionally clear that EAR is no longer going to book EU artists, bar the two stated exceptions, as it now considers itself to be tied to the American scene. I don't think we need to do any more quibbling about the actual substance of the statement. Brendan -Original Message- From: Stoddard, Kamal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 October 2004 17:59 To: 'Hardie, Nick' Cc: 313 List (E-mail) Subject: RE: (313) [Fwd: FW: EAR techno declaration of an EU boycott and an END TOEUROPEAN insourcing of TECHNO MUSIC] but surely to reply to an insinuation made in the subject or the footer and disregard the explicitly personal nature of the entire message body is not a way to gain an understanding of his motives. and all replies have been to the nature of his motives. just think there's a lot of smoke being blown about when the fire ain't that hot yet.
RE: (313) [Fwd: FW: EAR techno declaration of an EU boycott and a n END TOEUROPEAN insourcing of TECHNO MUSIC]
true. flag thrown. it's just that it's email and i try to be honest and understanding even when others are not. being that much of what makes up communication is lost when limited to text. but enough about this though. i think everyone's got the reality of it and those that don't aren't gonna. Kamal K. Stoddard Turner Broadcasting Systems Bebop was about change, about evolution. It wasn't about standing still and becoming safe. If anybody wants to keep creating they have to be about change. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 1:55 PM To: Stoddard, Kamal Cc: 313 List (E-mail); 'Hardie, Nick' Subject: RE: (313) [Fwd: FW: EAR techno declaration of an EU boycott and a n END TOEUROPEAN insourcing of TECHNO MUSIC] Not to sound like some kind of Miss Manners but the subject line sort of sets the precedent for what is to come in the message don't you think? I think it's fair to say that first impressions really were the determining factor here. What was to follow obviously could be read in many different ways so clarity was of upmost importance from the get go. That subject line does throw up a red flag I think. MEK Stoddard, Kamal [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 'Hardie, Nick' [EMAIL PROTECTED] urner.com cc: 313 List (E-mail) 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) [Fwd: FW: EAR techno declaration of an EU boycott and a n END 10/04/2004 11:58 TOEUROPEAN insourcing of TECHNO MUSIC] AM but surely to reply to an insinuation made in the subject or the footer and disregard the explicitly personal nature of the entire message body is not a way to gain an understanding of his motives. and all replies have been to the nature of his motives. just think there's a lot of smoke being blown about when the fire ain't that hot yet. Kamal K. Stoddard Turner Broadcasting Systems Bebop was about change, about evolution. It wasn't about standing still and becoming safe. If anybody wants to keep creating they have to be about change.
Re: (313) Paul Mac Classics Mix up at EmotionElectric
Seeing that this is a classics mix am I right in assuming that this is not the typical Paul Mac mix? That is to say, if I went to see him headline, what could I expect to hear usually (typical is such a bad word)? Are there any other places to find Paul Mac mixes online? MEK robin [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: ian cheshire [EMAIL PROTECTED] ctric.com cc: 313 Org 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Paul Mac Classics Mix up at EmotionElectric 10/04/2004 11:40 AM On 4 Oct 2004, at 17:35, ian cheshire wrote: thaks Robin for this, after a heavy heavy weekend this is just what I needed!! Thanks also to Paul, its nice to have a mix of his, finally! :) thanks ian, tracklisting is as follows: Paul Mac - Classics Mix - www.emotionelectric.com 1, nervous acid - bobby kondors (nu groove) 2, cant get enough - liz torres (state street) 3, the poke - adonis and the endless poker (dj international) 4, scream - bam bam (westbrook) 5, when you hold me - master c+j (trax) 6, on a journey - qx 1 (rythmn beat) 7, open your eyes - marshell jefferson (big beat) 8, house girl - mystic (rockin house) 9, come get my lovin - dionne (big shot) 10, rock the party right - cool house (underground) 11, what you make me feel - liz torres (underground) 12, acid hole - lidell townsend (trax) 13, you're only friend - phuture (trax) 14, give it to me - bam bam (westbrook) 15, extasy - adrenalin mod (mca) 16, dream 17 - annette (de-construction) 17, in the pocket - dynamic duo (nu groove) 18, acid thunder - fast eddie (dj international) 19, you used to hold me - ralphie rosario (hotmix 5) 20, slam - phuture (trax) 21, twighlight zone - party boy (urban) 22, lack of love - charles b (desire) 23, 7 day weekend - open house (lethal) 24, this is the place - stickmen (clubhouse) 25, the groove - suburban knight (transmat) 26, personal problem - md 3 (underground) 27, first power - revelation (atmosphere) 28, let the music move you - nightwriters (danica) 29, no way back - adonis (trax) 30, can you feel it - mr fingers (trax)
RE: (313) Paul Mac Classics Mix up at EmotionElectric
there is a mix of his on www.splitmusic.net Sept Show, see what you think Michael. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 October 2004 19:24 To: robin Cc: 313 Org; ian cheshire Subject: Re: (313) Paul Mac Classics Mix up at EmotionElectric Seeing that this is a classics mix am I right in assuming that this is not the typical Paul Mac mix? That is to say, if I went to see him headline, what could I expect to hear usually (typical is such a bad word)? Are there any other places to find Paul Mac mixes online? MEK robin [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: ian cheshire [EMAIL PROTECTED] ctric.com cc: 313 Org 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Paul Mac Classics Mix up at EmotionElectric 10/04/2004 11:40 AM On 4 Oct 2004, at 17:35, ian cheshire wrote: thaks Robin for this, after a heavy heavy weekend this is just what I needed!! Thanks also to Paul, its nice to have a mix of his, finally! :) thanks ian, tracklisting is as follows: Paul Mac - Classics Mix - www.emotionelectric.com 1, nervous acid - bobby kondors (nu groove) 2, cant get enough - liz torres (state street) 3, the poke - adonis and the endless poker (dj international) 4, scream - bam bam (westbrook) 5, when you hold me - master c+j (trax) 6, on a journey - qx 1 (rythmn beat) 7, open your eyes - marshell jefferson (big beat) 8, house girl - mystic (rockin house) 9, come get my lovin - dionne (big shot) 10, rock the party right - cool house (underground) 11, what you make me feel - liz torres (underground) 12, acid hole - lidell townsend (trax) 13, you're only friend - phuture (trax) 14, give it to me - bam bam (westbrook) 15, extasy - adrenalin mod (mca) 16, dream 17 - annette (de-construction) 17, in the pocket - dynamic duo (nu groove) 18, acid thunder - fast eddie (dj international) 19, you used to hold me - ralphie rosario (hotmix 5) 20, slam - phuture (trax) 21, twighlight zone - party boy (urban) 22, lack of love - charles b (desire) 23, 7 day weekend - open house (lethal) 24, this is the place - stickmen (clubhouse) 25, the groove - suburban knight (transmat) 26, personal problem - md 3 (underground) 27, first power - revelation (atmosphere) 28, let the music move you - nightwriters (danica) 29, no way back - adonis (trax) 30, can you feel it - mr fingers (trax) --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.771 / Virus Database: 518 - Release Date: 28/09/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.771 / Virus Database: 518 - Release Date: 28/09/04
(313) US / EU: Mani's knee jerk response
Kamal wrote: I can understand where people are coming from with their angry responses as a knee jerk reaction, I cannot see this stance holding water after a sober read of his initial post. I assure you that our response was not a knee jerk one, neither was our reading of his original less than sober. It is his original post that was anything but sober. While it is obvious that Mani spent a long time considering his position, there is no indication that he spent nearly enough considering his post. on the same note i would say that if european promoters are getting the same treatment from american talent, STOP BOOKING THEM You are correct in saying that we have the right to stop booking American artists if we have been let down by them in the past. As does Mani with European artists. And this is precisely what we have done. However this was not enough. It was then necessary to gather a greater understanding of American artists and find perhaps lesser known artists who were and are more deserving of our support and booking fees. Simply shutting your doors is, in your words, a knee jerk reaction. I was not being merely flippant when I suggested a trip to Europe might benefit Mani greatly. maybe his slogan should be Saving America from bad manners. Certainly one way of saving yourself from bad manners is to never let anyone into your house again. But let it be no surprise to you that this act will be considered the height of bad manners by a lot of perfectly mannered people who will never again receive an invitation. Eamonn / D1 Dublin
Re: (313) US / EU: Mani's knee jerk response
please please please please I really like this list, but this thread boycott whatever you want. start with this thread -Joe - Original Message - From: d1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stoddard, Kamal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'Renegade808' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 List (E-mail) 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 5:24 PM Subject: (313) US / EU: Mani's knee jerk response Kamal wrote: I can understand where people are coming from with their angry responses as a knee jerk reaction, I cannot see this stance holding water after a sober read of his initial post. I assure you that our response was not a knee jerk one, neither was our reading of his original less than sober. It is his original post that was anything but sober. While it is obvious that Mani spent a long time considering his position, there is no indication that he spent nearly enough considering his post. on the same note i would say that if european promoters are getting the same treatment from american talent, STOP BOOKING THEM You are correct in saying that we have the right to stop booking American artists if we have been let down by them in the past. As does Mani with European artists. And this is precisely what we have done. However this was not enough. It was then necessary to gather a greater understanding of American artists and find perhaps lesser known artists who were and are more deserving of our support and booking fees. Simply shutting your doors is, in your words, a knee jerk reaction. I was not being merely flippant when I suggested a trip to Europe might benefit Mani greatly. maybe his slogan should be Saving America from bad manners. Certainly one way of saving yourself from bad manners is to never let anyone into your house again. But let it be no surprise to you that this act will be considered the height of bad manners by a lot of perfectly mannered people who will never again receive an invitation. Eamonn / D1 Dublin
Re: (313) US / EU: Mani's knee jerk response
to love this list is to love endless threads ;) On Mon, 4 Oct 2004, /0 wrote: please please please please I really like this list, but this thread boycott whatever you want. start with this thread -Joe - Original Message - From: d1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stoddard, Kamal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'Renegade808' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 List (E-mail) 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 5:24 PM Subject: (313) US / EU: Mani's knee jerk response Kamal wrote: I can understand where people are coming from with their angry responses as a knee jerk reaction, I cannot see this stance holding water after a sober read of his initial post. I assure you that our response was not a knee jerk one, neither was our reading of his original less than sober. It is his original post that was anything but sober. While it is obvious that Mani spent a long time considering his position, there is no indication that he spent nearly enough considering his post. on the same note i would say that if european promoters are getting the same treatment from american talent, STOP BOOKING THEM You are correct in saying that we have the right to stop booking American artists if we have been let down by them in the past. As does Mani with European artists. And this is precisely what we have done. However this was not enough. It was then necessary to gather a greater understanding of American artists and find perhaps lesser known artists who were and are more deserving of our support and booking fees. Simply shutting your doors is, in your words, a knee jerk reaction. I was not being merely flippant when I suggested a trip to Europe might benefit Mani greatly. maybe his slogan should be Saving America from bad manners. Certainly one way of saving yourself from bad manners is to never let anyone into your house again. But let it be no surprise to you that this act will be considered the height of bad manners by a lot of perfectly mannered people who will never again receive an invitation. Eamonn / D1 Dublin
(313) EU VS US FU
Blah blah blah F all djs. Make your own g damn tracks. There. problem solved. Promoters and djs here and abroad can boycott the f out of each other if anyone gives a rat's ass. Y'all better watch it or the actual people that PRODUCE the f'n music to begin with will boycott YOU. (COZ YOU AIN'T RESPECTIN' THE MUSIC FIRST!) he he he. Arguably, if you were not doing it at the infancy of what has become dj culture and the golden age of electronic music, (by the early nineties on my watch...) Why and what are you doing it for? How much do you really love music? Back to the music please. Much respect, Louis.
