(313) Help Matthew Herbert

2005-11-16 Thread Tosh Cooey

Here's a press release I just got about the new Herbert album:






Dear All,

You are about to be given the opportunity for assisting Matthew Herbert with his 
latest album – due for release next year. You are also about to being the 
opportunity to feature on it!


Below, enclosed are the instructions. Follow carefully and then call the number 
to leave Matthew his message.



DEADLINE: 29.11.05


All the Best and Good Luck


!K7 Records


Matthew Herbert and his Answering Machine:


Matthew Herbert; renowned Jazz Musician, electro-acoustic legend, big band 
conductor, 90’s house warrior, soundtrack scorer extraordinaire, author of the 
highly influential ‘Personal Contract for the Composition of Music’, speaker for 
the anti-globalisation movement and the man responsible for the highly popular 
‘Bodily Functions’ and ‘Plat du Jour’ albums is at it again…..


Matthew has a new album in the pipeline. Similar to his previous offerings 
Matthew does not intend to steer away from his dominating, God-like use of the 
sampler, and the rule to which his music is created; ‘the use of sounds that 
already exist is not allowed’. A rule, which has lead to his music being created 
through the sounds of food preparation and household appliances, for example, 
instead of the monotonous, processed, synthetic beats of standard drum machines. 
Thus manifesting itself into an entirely original amalgamation of music and 
sounds. His latest release, the critically acclaimed, ‘Plat du Jour’ was created 
over a period of 18 months, and consisted of 30,000 chickens, 3,255 people 
biting on an apple, and a cheiftan mk 10 battle tank – to list just a few of the 
ingredients making up this epic release.


So what has Matthew in store for us now….? To be honest I don’t think anyone 
will know until his new record is released, but for one of the up and coming 
tracks on this yet, untitled album, he requires your assistance. Yes. You!


At the !K7 office we have installed a separate phone line, the ‘Herbert 
Hotline’, if you will. Unfortunately there’s no-one at the other end to pick it 
up, just an answering machine. Your task, should you choose to accept it, is to 
call this number and leave a message consisting of a single sound. It could be 
organic, vocal, mechanical, natural – even bodily. Remember you’re dealing with 
a man who has created music from the recording of coffee cups and sewer systems, 
so the more original the better. These sounds will be collected on the answering 
machine and past on to the grand, musical conductor himself, who will fuse the 
sounds together to create a grand musical cacophony that only he knows will 
sound like.


To add extra intrigue to this task you must under no circumstances state, or 
give any indication as to what the sound is. Should you believe that your 
contribution is worthy enough of credit and acknowledgement then you should 
email us ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), and your musical contribution will be duly noted.


So go on, give the ‘Herbert Hotline’ a ring…..

+49 (0) 32 22 1918 394




--
McIntosh Cooey - Twelve Hundred Group LLC - http://www.1200group.com/



Re: (313) which good live acts are there?

2005-11-16 Thread Cyclone Wehner
There's an excellent live act in Melbourne called Phunk De Sonique.


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To: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: (313) which good live acts are there?
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 2:33 AM


 Fabrice Lig, unless already mentioned :)

 Octave One, Matt Johnson, Carl Craig, and Tortured Soul and Amp Fiddler,
 are some live acts whom I remember as being more than just good. Some I
 saw at clubs, others at festivals and/or more concert-type gigs.

 Ken

 *

 Before ya'll start throwing names at me, let me first minimalize the
 possible answers. I'm not really asking for those
 strictly-techno-people-has-to-dance-to-this kinda live sets.

 I'm actually thinking about Kirk Degiorgio for example. Does he do live
 acts??? Or Carl Craig (besides Tres Demented), can you book him for a
 Carl
 Craig or Innerzone Orchestra live???

 With these names in mind, maybe you can help me out. You know... people
 with a large and diverse catalogue... able to bring a good live act...
 not
 really for da clubs... more concert-like.

 THANX  GREETS from Belgium.





 www.midnightbeats.de
 www.kube72.com
 www.detroitimpression.com


Re: (313) Environ news and new Kelley Polar

2005-11-16 Thread Cyclone Wehner
Isn't this amazing?
I loved it - so melodic and emotive and poetic. It's very dreamy. Prob my
fave electronic album at the moment.


 I Got the new environ newsletter today and decided to buy the new kelley
 polar album from bleep.

 Anyone else listened to it yet? Seems a bit different to previous
 releases, quite a few vocals used.
 Some of the tracks I really like and I think the album as a whole works.
 I'm just not quite sure about some of the vocals. It's odd, I'm usually
 all for vocals especially when done well. To me this album has an
 unusual sound, some of the tracks have sounds of swayzak and others of
 kraftwerk.

 Rooms InMyHouseHaveManyParties and Tyurangalila I like quite a bit, I'm
 sure the others will catch after a few more listens.


(313) detroit SF house saturday night

2005-11-16 Thread James Hurlbut
Hey, so I guess Mike Clark and Delano Smith will be in town saturday 
night. info below. John Tejada is playing with Justin Maxwell the 
same night. Also looking forward to Dan Bell coming in December 
http://www.kontrolsf.com/ Talk to you all later


Forward SF and Free Radicals present
BODY ELECTRIC
Saturday November 19th

Room 1 (house)

Mike Clark AKA Agent X [BeatDownSounds / Planet e / GotSoul / Third 
Ear] - Detroit


(Mike Agent X Clark is known as the ambassador of Detroit house, an 
original member of the Underground Resistance, and now part of the 
Beat Down Sounds Crew. His production work has reached dance floors 
world wide with records on Planet E, Beat Down Sounds, Underground 
Resistance, Nitegroove and many others. Mike has just head lined the 
main stage at America's biggest electronic music festival the 
DEMF/FUSE in Detroit, he has been one of a hand full of Dj's to play 
the original San Francisco Wicked Party's. Agent X's funky soulful 
deep blend of house is a living example of Detroit's house music culture.)


Delano Smith [BeatDownSounds / Third Ear / StillMusic / MixMode] - Detroit

(Delano Smith is rising to be one of Detroit's hottest dj's / 
producers, playing his sound all over the world. His label Mix Mode 
recordings is setting dance floors on fire every where. Deep as they 
come, Delano has brought the message of house to audiences world 
wide, a true house head for ever come join us for this exclusive 
one time appearance and hear this master in the mix.)


Jeno (wicked)
Justin Martin - [Dirtybird / Buzzin'fly]
Rebecca Watkins [forward]


Room 2 (electro)

Adnan [Forward / Free Radicals]
Dhyan [Free Radicals]
Sean Evans [Lo-Rise]
Jeniluv [DHP / Fistfight]
Brian Wall [Stylus]

Gingerbread Warehouse - 1275 Connecticut @ Cesar Chavez SF, 10pm to 6am
$10 list @ www.body-electric.org / $15 at the door.
more info (415) 820-1552



Re: (313) Genres

2005-11-16 Thread fab.
a while back everyone on soulseek was raving on about Latvian Banjo Trance 
but I'm more into Minimal Gabber Ambient
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Subject: (313) Genres




-Original Message-
From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 15 November 2005 18:15
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) new genre!

On Tue, November 15, 2005 5:18 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


yeah, I saw that yesterday too and though wtf?!
It sounds like electro or techno to me but I suppose it has a particular

Another new genre is ElectroKrunk or EuroKrunk!
Thanks to Boomkat.com for pointing that out from me.

Just for a laugh we could try creating a fictitious genre and see if we can
get it into a magazine or mentioned on the radio as the new hot thing!

I'll get the ball rolling, How about : Spanish-Banjo Tec-Grime
: Speed Ambient
  : Happy Trip Core
: Progressive
Acoustic Acid.


Just got back from Berlin, What a great City!
It was Proper Úber!

Max
[mxm]





dance that goes with it (like jitting or the twist - for lack of a better
example)
so it gets a new genre name?

However, I'm so very very tired of genre splitting. It's gotten old.
I suppose it's a way for people to make their music stand out from the
rest
of the pile.


i kind of disagree. i think everyone should invent their own genres! who
wants to make house or techno? that sh*t sounds so boring.

tom









(313) Ambient graphics?

2005-11-16 Thread Martin Dust

Not sure if 313 has seen this, but it looks like fun...

http://www.bastwood.com/aphex.php



RE: (313) Genres

2005-11-16 Thread alex . bond
TECHNO IS AN EGG.
Kks
PS. DON'T DIE.

I'M WITH KAMAL.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE MEANS BUT I LIKE THE SOUND OF IT
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Re: (313) Ambient graphics?

2005-11-16 Thread alex . bond
Not sure if 313 has seen this, but it looks like fun...
http://www.bastwood.com/aphex.php

blimey.

it's a unique idea I must admit.

not as if I ever thought while listening to music, hmm, must
spectorographically analyse this later.

still, these INTELLIGENT DANCE MUSIC listeners are pretty clever huh?

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Re: (313) Ambient graphics?

2005-11-16 Thread Martin Dust
The noise is pretty easy to spot in recordings, although it's well 
nerdy, boys and toys eh :)



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Not sure if 313 has seen this, but it looks like fun...
http://www.bastwood.com/aphex.php


blimey.

it's a unique idea I must admit.

not as if I ever thought while listening to music, hmm, must
spectorographically analyse this later.

still, these INTELLIGENT DANCE MUSIC listeners are pretty clever huh?

_
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RE: (313) Genres

2005-11-16 Thread Robert Taylor
I call everything I listen to electronic music and leave it at that - why 
restrict yourself to one narrow genre when you listen to much more than that?

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On 15-nov-2005, at 21:13, Martin Dust wrote:

 It's really Ironica, we daren't call it techno, that's what that is :)

Of course not! I am such a techno-purist that i can't call anything  
techno because it ain't pure! :)




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 The one really awful genre is electronica. Mostly seen on US  
 record stores. What the hell is that? And what is it with this  
 scouse house seen on juno?

 Sheesh...

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RE: (313) Help Matthew Herbert

2005-11-16 Thread Robert Taylor
Excellent - I'm going to have some fun with this

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From: Tosh Cooey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 16 November 2005 01:07
To: 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: (313) Help Matthew Herbert


Here's a press release I just got about the new Herbert album:






Dear All,

You are about to be given the opportunity for assisting Matthew Herbert with 
his 
latest album – due for release next year. You are also about to being the 
opportunity to feature on it!

Below, enclosed are the instructions. Follow carefully and then call the number 
to leave Matthew his message.


DEADLINE: 29.11.05


All the Best and Good Luck


!K7 Records


Matthew Herbert and his Answering Machine:


Matthew Herbert; renowned Jazz Musician, electro-acoustic legend, big band 
conductor, 90’s house warrior, soundtrack scorer extraordinaire, author of the 
highly influential ‘Personal Contract for the Composition of Music’, speaker 
for 
the anti-globalisation movement and the man responsible for the highly popular 
‘Bodily Functions’ and ‘Plat du Jour’ albums is at it again…..

Matthew has a new album in the pipeline. Similar to his previous offerings 
Matthew does not intend to steer away from his dominating, God-like use of the 
sampler, and the rule to which his music is created; ‘the use of sounds that 
already exist is not allowed’. A rule, which has lead to his music being 
created 
through the sounds of food preparation and household appliances, for example, 
instead of the monotonous, processed, synthetic beats of standard drum 
machines. 
Thus manifesting itself into an entirely original amalgamation of music and 
sounds. His latest release, the critically acclaimed, ‘Plat du Jour’ was 
created 
over a period of 18 months, and consisted of 30,000 chickens, 3,255 people 
biting on an apple, and a cheiftan mk 10 battle tank – to list just a few of 
the 
ingredients making up this epic release.

So what has Matthew in store for us now….? To be honest I don’t think anyone 
will know until his new record is released, but for one of the up and coming 
tracks on this yet, untitled album, he requires your assistance. Yes. You!

At the !K7 office we have installed a separate phone line, the ‘Herbert 
Hotline’, if you will. Unfortunately there’s no-one at the other end to pick it 
up, just an answering machine. Your task, should you choose to accept it, is to 
call this number and leave a message consisting of a single sound. It could be 
organic, vocal, mechanical, natural – even bodily. Remember you’re dealing with 
a man who has created music from the recording of coffee cups and sewer 
systems, 
so the more original the better. These sounds will be collected on the 
answering 
machine and past on to the grand, musical conductor himself, who will fuse the 
sounds together to create a grand musical cacophony that only he knows will 
sound like.

To add extra intrigue to this task you must under no circumstances state, or 
give any indication as to what the sound is. Should you believe that your 
contribution is worthy enough of credit and acknowledgement then you should 
email us ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), and your musical contribution will be duly noted.

So go on, give the ‘Herbert Hotline’ a ring…..

+49 (0) 32 22 1918 394




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Re: (313) Genres

2005-11-16 Thread Martin Dust




The point I was trying to make badly is people started calling their  
music something else because they believed calling it Techno we damage  
their sales - Moby for example...






On 15-nov-2005, at 21:13, Martin Dust wrote:


It's really Ironica, we daren't call it techno, that's what that is :)


Of course not! I am such a techno-purist that i can't call anything
techno because it ain't pure! :)





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The one really awful genre is electronica. Mostly seen on US
record stores. What the hell is that? And what is it with this
scouse house seen on juno?

Sheesh...


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Re: (313) Ambient graphics?

2005-11-16 Thread alex . bond
The noise is pretty easy to spot in recordings, although it's well
nerdy, boys and toys eh :)

well yeah, but ignore me, I've just got the hump cos I got broadband at
home (woo), and now my email won't work (boo).
tech-bloody-nology.

p.s. I put rhythm is rhythm into my new ACME spectro-lographer and got a
picture of birdseye fishfingers. what does it mean?
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RE: (313) Genres

2005-11-16 Thread Robert Taylor
When did Moby do that?


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The point I was trying to make badly is people started calling their  
music something else because they believed calling it Techno we damage  
their sales - Moby for example...




 On 15-nov-2005, at 21:13, Martin Dust wrote:

 It's really Ironica, we daren't call it techno, that's what that is :)

 Of course not! I am such a techno-purist that i can't call anything
 techno because it ain't pure! :)




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 The one really awful genre is electronica. Mostly seen on US
 record stores. What the hell is that? And what is it with this
 scouse house seen on juno?

 Sheesh...

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Re: (313) Genres

2005-11-16 Thread alex . bond
The point I was trying to make badly is people started calling their
music something else because they believed calling it Techno we damage
their sales - Moby for example...

the word techno probably doesn't help I guess due to peoples pre-conceived
ideas about what techno is.
but still, IT IS WHAT IT IS. etc.
i sorta tend to lean towards what rob says, and just call it electronic
music. suppose that makes me a bit of a bottler or something.
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Re: (313) Genres

2005-11-16 Thread Martin Dust
He made a defo move from calling his stuff Techno to Electronica in the  
90's, saying in many interviews that he hasn't made a Techno record  
for a long time...



On 16 Nov 2005, at 10:09, Robert Taylor wrote:


When did Moby do that?


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The point I was trying to make badly is people started calling their
music something else because they believed calling it Techno we damage
their sales - Moby for example...





On 15-nov-2005, at 21:13, Martin Dust wrote:

It's really Ironica, we daren't call it techno, that's what that is  
:)


Of course not! I am such a techno-purist that i can't call anything
techno because it ain't pure! :)





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The one really awful genre is electronica. Mostly seen on US
record stores. What the hell is that? And what is it with this
scouse house seen on juno?

Sheesh...


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RE: (313) Genres

2005-11-16 Thread Robert Taylor
How does it make you a bottler? No one listens to just techno

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The point I was trying to make badly is people started calling their
music something else because they believed calling it Techno we damage
their sales - Moby for example...

the word techno probably doesn't help I guess due to peoples pre-conceived
ideas about what techno is.
but still, IT IS WHAT IT IS. etc.
i sorta tend to lean towards what rob says, and just call it electronic
music. suppose that makes me a bit of a bottler or something.
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RE: (313) Genres

2005-11-16 Thread Robert Taylor
That was true though - he hadn't - Play isn't a techno record is it?

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He made a defo move from calling his stuff Techno to Electronica in the  
90's, saying in many interviews that he hasn't made a Techno record  
for a long time...


On 16 Nov 2005, at 10:09, Robert Taylor wrote:

 When did Moby do that?


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 From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 16 November 2005 10:05
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 Subject: Re: (313) Genres




 The point I was trying to make badly is people started calling their
 music something else because they believed calling it Techno we damage
 their sales - Moby for example...




 On 15-nov-2005, at 21:13, Martin Dust wrote:

 It's really Ironica, we daren't call it techno, that's what that is  
 :)

 Of course not! I am such a techno-purist that i can't call anything
 techno because it ain't pure! :)




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 record stores. What the hell is that? And what is it with this
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 Sheesh...

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Re: (313) Genres

2005-11-16 Thread Martin Dust
It's a tricky one Rob because it depends on how you really define  
Techno, I personally see it as a very wide spectrum but the gripe I  
have is people started to treat it as dirty word rather than being  
proud of it but that may just be me Rob.


On 16 Nov 2005, at 10:25, Robert Taylor wrote:


That was true though - he hadn't - Play isn't a techno record is it?

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He made a defo move from calling his stuff Techno to Electronica in the
90's, saying in many interviews that he hasn't made a Techno record
for a long time...


On 16 Nov 2005, at 10:09, Robert Taylor wrote:


When did Moby do that?


-Original Message-
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Sent: 16 November 2005 10:05
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Subject: Re: (313) Genres






The point I was trying to make badly is people started calling their
music something else because they believed calling it Techno we damage
their sales - Moby for example...





On 15-nov-2005, at 21:13, Martin Dust wrote:


It's really Ironica, we daren't call it techno, that's what that is
:)


Of course not! I am such a techno-purist that i can't call anything
techno because it ain't pure! :)





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The one really awful genre is electronica. Mostly seen on US
record stores. What the hell is that? And what is it with this
scouse house seen on juno?

Sheesh...


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RE: (313) Genres

2005-11-16 Thread alex . bond
How does it make you a bottler? No one listens to just techno

oh, I dunno. maybe I'm secretly ashamed or something!
or maybe I'm just talking rubbish again.

one things for sure, it is a word that for many means one thing, and for
the minority means another.

or something.
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Re: (313) Genres

2005-11-16 Thread alex . bond
I personally see it as a very wide spectrum but the gripe I
have is people started to treat it as dirty word rather than being
proud of it but that may just be me Rob.

i see it as a wide spectrum too. f**k to me, at least half these new genres
around are just techno records to me.

but, there's no denying, it's been a dirty word since the early 90's
really. when I was listening to the detroit techno of the time, the
beautiful techno that I really liked, no one else called it techno. techno
was what peeps played at raves, like hardcore. not the stuff i liked.


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Re: (313) Genres

2005-11-16 Thread Martin Dust


On 16 Nov 2005, at 10:30, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


How does it make you a bottler? No one listens to just techno


oh, I dunno. maybe I'm secretly ashamed or something!
or maybe I'm just talking rubbish again.

one things for sure, it is a word that for many means one thing, and 
for

the minority means another.




You're not wrong there Alex, for people who don't know - it's always 
Techno, Techno, Techno, sadly. And on the other side of the coin I know 
lots of Heads that hate the crusty/squat/loopy techno and hold the 
belief that it's done a great deal of damage. I guess you can't really 
win!




Re: (313) Genres

2005-11-16 Thread alex . bond
And on the other side of the coin I know
lots of Heads that hate the crusty/squat/loopy techno

now you see, I wouldn't even use that word in the same sentence as the
other things you mention!
but then, what else to describe it as - thats what people think techno is.

but anyway, this is a battle lost 15 years ago. no point me crying over it
now.
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RE: (313) Genres

2005-11-16 Thread Robert Taylor
I don't think it is tricky - techno is just a subgenre of electronic music - 
Play is certainly not techno and I can't see how anyone could interpret it as 
so.
Are you suggesting that all electronic music is techno? 
That would make house, garage and drum n bass techno too

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It's a tricky one Rob because it depends on how you really define  
Techno, I personally see it as a very wide spectrum but the gripe I  
have is people started to treat it as dirty word rather than being  
proud of it but that may just be me Rob.

On 16 Nov 2005, at 10:25, Robert Taylor wrote:

 That was true though - he hadn't - Play isn't a techno record is it?

 -Original Message-
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 He made a defo move from calling his stuff Techno to Electronica in the
 90's, saying in many interviews that he hasn't made a Techno record
 for a long time...


 On 16 Nov 2005, at 10:09, Robert Taylor wrote:

 When did Moby do that?


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 The point I was trying to make badly is people started calling their
 music something else because they believed calling it Techno we damage
 their sales - Moby for example...




 On 15-nov-2005, at 21:13, Martin Dust wrote:

 It's really Ironica, we daren't call it techno, that's what that is
 :)

 Of course not! I am such a techno-purist that i can't call anything
 techno because it ain't pure! :)




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(313) Turn the volume down....

2005-11-16 Thread Blaauw, Martijn de
UK CLUBS TO TURN IT DOWN
It's not everyday that DJs are told to turn the music down, especially
not by politicians
but now 365Mag can reveal that has just happened. The UK government is
set to
reduce the level of noise in British clubs by up to 5% from April 2006
with a law that is intended
to protect the hearing of those in the music industry.
When the new levels are passed by parliament in the Spring, employers in
clubs and
venues will be expected to protect their staffs hearing with a reduction
in volume and
a decrease in time spent exposed to excessive noise. Lawrence Waterman,
President of the Institution of Occupational Safety and Health (IOSH)
says:
We need to help employs who work in the music industry to understand
the risks of noise exposure.
According to UK Heath and Safety statistics, around 170,000 people
suffer from work related tinnitus,
deafness or other ear-related problems.
DJs who suffer from damaged hearing are Rocky from X-press 2 fame,
Laurent Garnier and Tall Paul,
who consulted a specialist in the late 90s, only to be told he had done
irreparable damage to his hearing.
This law raises the question of the use of ear filters once again. DJs
such as Roger Sanchez, Jeff Mills, Laurent Garnier,
Sander Kleinenberg and Erick Morillo all use custom-built earplugs to
protect the ears from those
dangerous high frequencies coming out of the monitors. Maybe the
familiar ringing in the ears
the next morning after a club-night could about to become a thing of the
past for those on
the dancefloor too after purchasing these plugs, or is that 'whistling'
sound simply an integral part of a good night out?


Re: (313) Genres

2005-11-16 Thread Martin Dust


On 16 Nov 2005, at 10:42, Robert Taylor wrote:

I don't think it is tricky - techno is just a subgenre of electronic  
music - Play is certainly not techno and I can't see how anyone could  
interpret it as so.


Play is not a techno record for sure, but I'm not really talking about  
that record specifically, it was way before that release Rob that he  
made the switch - let me have a dig around for some titles to see if I  
can make my point any clearer...I do remember that it was his G.O.D  
phase and it had a really bright cover




Are you suggesting that all electronic music is techno?
That would make house, garage and drum n bass techno too


No I'm not suggesting that at all, I'm just saying that Techno is a lot  
wider and contains many different flavours, personally I'd never pin it  
down to a rigid set of values like drum patterns etc but I can see why  
people do and feel the need to, check out the argument on Discogs about  
What Electro is for an example of where I don't want to go with this  
:) I realise it's a pretty hard position to defend...


m




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To: Robert Taylor
Cc: 313 Mailinglist List
Subject: Re: (313) Genres


It's a tricky one Rob because it depends on how you really define
Techno, I personally see it as a very wide spectrum but the gripe I
have is people started to treat it as dirty word rather than being
proud of it but that may just be me Rob.

On 16 Nov 2005, at 10:25, Robert Taylor wrote:


That was true though - he hadn't - Play isn't a techno record is it?

-Original Message-
From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 16 November 2005 10:24
To: Robert Taylor
Cc: 313 Mailinglist List
Subject: Re: (313) Genres


He made a defo move from calling his stuff Techno to Electronica in  
the

90's, saying in many interviews that he hasn't made a Techno record
for a long time...


On 16 Nov 2005, at 10:09, Robert Taylor wrote:


When did Moby do that?


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To: 313 Mailinglist List; Klaas-Jan Jongsma
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The point I was trying to make badly is people started calling their
music something else because they believed calling it Techno we  
damage

their sales - Moby for example...





On 15-nov-2005, at 21:13, Martin Dust wrote:


It's really Ironica, we daren't call it techno, that's what that is
:)


Of course not! I am such a techno-purist that i can't call anything
techno because it ain't pure! :)





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record stores. What the hell is that? And what is it with this
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Sheesh...


 
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Re: (313) Turn the volume down....

2005-11-16 Thread Kev
Good, it's about time.

I've been to too many clubs where I've had to leave because I was
literally in pain from the sound levels (a particularly dynamite Dave
Clarke set was once ruined by this. To be fair I think the staff did keep
turning it down but slowly but surely the volume levels crept back up...)
or after attending my hearing has been severely limited for not far off
the whole of the following week.

Earplugs are always a potential but it can be difficult practically as I
find they have to be put in / taken out very often (for talking to people,
ordering from the bar etc).

The best clubnights I've been to have been where the sound is down
reasonably low (to the point where you don't need to raise your voice much
to carry a conversation) but has exceptional clarity (basically bordering
on having your home system up loud but spread over the area of the dance
floor) as opposed to the systems that are so loud that there is distortion
or complete loss of of mid range frequencies ('do you know what song this
is?' 'no idea, all I'm hearing is a bass thump and hi hats, could be
anything'.

As an aside, I really hope this applys to bars as well. Too often I've
been in a bar at the magical time whereby it goes from being a bar with
music playing in the background at a comfortable level to a bar/mini-club
with music playing at club levels. Which necessitates a hasty exit
otherwise you can't actually talk to the people you're with.

Or maybe I'm just getting old :)

Kev


 UK CLUBS TO TURN IT DOWN
 It's not everyday that DJs are told to turn the music down, especially
 not by politicians
 but now 365Mag can reveal that has just happened. The UK government is
 set to
 reduce the level of noise in British clubs by up to 5% from April 2006
 with a law that is intended
 to protect the hearing of those in the music industry.
 When the new levels are passed by parliament in the Spring, employers in
 clubs and
 venues will be expected to protect their staffs hearing with a reduction
 in volume and
 a decrease in time spent exposed to excessive noise. Lawrence Waterman,
 President of the Institution of Occupational Safety and Health (IOSH)
 says:
 We need to help employs who work in the music industry to understand
 the risks of noise exposure.
 According to UK Heath and Safety statistics, around 170,000 people
 suffer from work related tinnitus,
 deafness or other ear-related problems.
 DJs who suffer from damaged hearing are Rocky from X-press 2 fame,
 Laurent Garnier and Tall Paul,
 who consulted a specialist in the late 90s, only to be told he had done
 irreparable damage to his hearing.
 This law raises the question of the use of ear filters once again. DJs
 such as Roger Sanchez, Jeff Mills, Laurent Garnier,
 Sander Kleinenberg and Erick Morillo all use custom-built earplugs to
 protect the ears from those
 dangerous high frequencies coming out of the monitors. Maybe the
 familiar ringing in the ears
 the next morning after a club-night could about to become a thing of the
 past for those on
 the dancefloor too after purchasing these plugs, or is that 'whistling'
 sound simply an integral part of a good night out?




Re: (313) Genres

2005-11-16 Thread Martin Dust


On 16 Nov 2005, at 10:42, Robert Taylor wrote:

I don't think it is tricky - techno is just a subgenre of electronic 
music - Play is certainly not techno and I can't see how anyone could 
interpret it as so.




The album I'm talking about was called Everything is Wrong 



Re: (313) Genres

2005-11-16 Thread fab.




oh, I dunno. maybe I'm secretly ashamed or something!
or maybe I'm just talking rubbish again.

one things for sure, it is a word that for many means one thing, and for
the minority means another.




i must admit that when i discuss the music my label releases to a 
non-electronic music listener i refrain from using the word techno, at least 
straight away since it does carry all sorts of negative connotations. i 
usually just say we release electronic music.


fab. 





Re: (313) Ambient graphics?

2005-11-16 Thread Matt Kane's Brain
well, i hope there aren't any photos embedded in the nymphomatriarch 
recordings. (venetian snares and hecate having sex and making breakcore 
out of the noises they made)


On Nov 16, 2005, at 3:53, Martin Dust wrote:


Not sure if 313 has seen this, but it looks like fun...

http://www.bastwood.com/aphex.php



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Re: (313) Genres

2005-11-16 Thread Sakari Karipuro

fab. wrote on Wed, 16 Nov 2005 about following:

a while back everyone on soulseek was raving on about Latvian Banjo Trance 
but I'm more into Minimal Gabber Ambient


i'm more into Minimal slam tech jazz-funk and Doom booty psy doo-wop ;

these are like really underground stuff, i really don't know who's doin 
'em since this stuff is only released on whitelabels limited to less 
than 10 copies! hard to get, really expensive. but some serious s**t!!



ps. i heard the rock dudes around the corner to talk about depressive 
tolkien unblack stoner rock, which should be really hot next week in 
those circles!


:D

pps. real stuff; what on earth is reggaeton, sublow, grime..

sakke


Re: (313) Turn the volume down....

2005-11-16 Thread Thorin Teague
I swear, though I have no real scientific evidence or anything other 
than my word to give you, that you can understand people better in a 
loud concert (110-120db) when you DO have earplugs in, AND it 
significantly increases the fidelity of the sound.


Kev wrote:


Earplugs are always a potential but it can be difficult practically as I
find they have to be put in / taken out very often (for talking to people,
ordering from the bar etc).



Re: (313) Turn the volume down....

2005-11-16 Thread Kev
Perhaps I'm just using rubbish ones?

I have generic 3M 'orange' ones. Not more expensive fitted or special
purpose plugs.

I might have to branch out :)

Kev

 I swear, though I have no real scientific evidence or anything other
 than my word to give you, that you can understand people better in a
 loud concert (110-120db) when you DO have earplugs in, AND it
 significantly increases the fidelity of the sound.

 Kev wrote:

Earplugs are always a potential but it can be difficult practically as I
find they have to be put in / taken out very often (for talking to
 people,
ordering from the bar etc).





Re: (313) Turn the volume down....

2005-11-16 Thread vmax
I  2nd this thought.  I have a pair or ear plugs that are given to  
the GM employes and the ear plugs cut out the hi-end frequencies that  
are harmful to the ear, 12-16k range.  I like them as it does make  
talking to people a lot easer in a loud environment.



On Nov 16, 2005, at 9:00 AM, Thorin Teague wrote:

I swear, though I have no real scientific evidence or anything  
other than my word to give you, that you can understand people  
better in a loud concert (110-120db) when you DO have earplugs in,  
AND it significantly increases the fidelity of the sound.


Kev wrote:


Earplugs are always a potential but it can be difficult  
practically as I
find they have to be put in / taken out very often (for talking to  
people,

ordering from the bar etc).









RE: (313) Turn the volume down....

2005-11-16 Thread Paul Hudson
I find it much easier to hear people with ear plugs in when in a club.  The 
main trouble I find is talking to people, as they make my own voice sound funny 
and quite boomy to myself. I end up talking too quietly and people are always 
telling me to speak up!

I also get loads of people asking why I'm wearing ear plugs and do I not like 
the music etc. They aren't the most socially accepted thing to wear in a club 
it appears!!



 
 I  2nd this thought.  I have a pair or ear plugs that are given to  
 the GM employes and the ear plugs cut out the hi-end 
 frequencies that  
 are harmful to the ear, 12-16k range.  I like them as it does make  
 talking to people a lot easer in a loud environment.
 
 
 On Nov 16, 2005, at 9:00 AM, Thorin Teague wrote:
 
  I swear, though I have no real scientific evidence or anything  
  other than my word to give you, that you can understand people  
  better in a loud concert (110-120db) when you DO have earplugs in,  
  AND it significantly increases the fidelity of the sound.
 
  Kev wrote:
 
 
  Earplugs are always a potential but it can be difficult  
  practically as I
  find they have to be put in / taken out very often (for 
 talking to  
  people,
  ordering from the bar etc).
 
 
 
 
 
 


(313) Madonna..

2005-11-16 Thread Blaauw, Martijn de
Turns the Koko club in Camden into a throbing houseclub:

http://www.nme.com/news/madonna/21519

I quite like her new tune...it's very80's

Martijn




RE: (313) Turn the volume down....

2005-11-16 Thread alex . bond
ear plugs

I find a pair of FAG BUTTS work as ear plugs.

that should get the americans talking ooh, that alex is as bent as a nine
bob note
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Re: (313) Madonna..

2005-11-16 Thread alex . bond
I quite like her new tune...it's very80's

'jacques le cont' produced her new lp I think.
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(313) mix WNUR chicago - The Music Got Me (w/ Guest DJ Zachary Lubin, Chicago)

2005-11-16 Thread Matt MacQueen

Clinically Inclined
21 Oct 2005:The Music Got Me (w/ Guest DJ Zachary Lubin, Chicago)
Fridays 9:30pm - 12:30am,  89.3 FM WNUR Chicago
Download from http://SonicSunset.com


Part 1 sampled funk from repeat and synth dance from visual start the 
set off, and dreamy new psychedelia from boards of canada sets the 
ambient transition in motion. the spell's broken by peel seamus, and 
total science lays down heavy broken beat for the floor.


Part 2 we're excited to welcome zachary lubin back to WNUR for the 
first time since his debut record on 6277/Axis. he puts down an electic 
set of techno with a bit of early 90s house and dance thrown in for 
maximum harmonic efficiency.


Direct link to this show:  
http://www.sonicsunset.com/more.php?id=119_0_1_0_M


Part 1  Dave Siska

repeat - drifting sounds of wikiki - repeats (a13)
visual - the music got me [sure shot mix instrumental] (unidisc)
boards of canada - chromakey dreamcoat - campfire headphase 
(warp/music70)

theorem - os (plus 8)
insync vs mysteron - these 4 walls (tenth planet)
arctic hospital - rotating water - infirm  attentive (narita)
loscil - hydrogen - triplepoint (kranky)
rhythim is rhythim - kao-tic harmony (transmat)
peel seamus - chatsubo - audience ep (delsin)
todd terry - logan's crossing (tnt)
as one vs. ian o'brien - contours [ian o'brien rmx] (ubiquity)
total science - sugar sweet [original mix] (head2toe)
kemetic just presents just one - we will meet again - ui ep (rush hour)
deepchord - electromagnetic dowsing [mike huckaby rmx] (synth)


Part 2  Zachary Lubin (6277/Axis)

dj skull aka ron maney - bring it home (relief)
iz  diz - sindicate (classic)
andres - express (mahogani)
grain - untitled (fatcat)
gemini - snowdrop (peacefrog)
christian morgenstern - untitled (kanzleramt)
callisto- junkle II - paradigm ep (guidance)
armand van helden - break da 80s (strictly rhythm)
fierce ruling diva - you gotta believe [moby remix] (react)
cj bolland - on line - the analogue theater (internal)
deetron - i believe (music man)
mark broom - to be continued (pure plastic)
psychic warriors ov gaia - kraak [plastikman rmx] (kk traxx)
astral pilot - electro acupuncture [claude young rmx] (harthouse)
anthony 'shake' shakir - no. 3 malfunctioning - systemic advances 
(gigolo)

blue boy - funky friday (guidance)
perception - mirage (underground resistance)
armando - so in love with you (trax)
the fastman - in the mix [remix]
blue boy - so lonely (guidance)
zachary lubin - scopes (engineer)
funk d'void - all that matters (soma)
arovane - r:elet - atol scrap (din)


Audio archives at http://SonicSunset.com
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RE: (313) Turn the volume down....

2005-11-16 Thread alex
Alex,

That should work pretty well as long as they don't like the music and move 
around very much... ;)

If you ever come to Detroit, you can go The Works and test this theory 
out.





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ear plugs

I find a pair of FAG BUTTS work as ear plugs.

that should get the americans talking ooh, that alex is as bent as a nine
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RE: (313) Turn the volume down....

2005-11-16 Thread Robert Taylor
But being a tight poor boy from Manchester, you have to BUM them off a mate

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RE: (313) Turn the volume down....

2005-11-16 Thread alex . bond
That should work pretty well as long as they don't like the music and move

around very much... ;)

hehhehheh.

But being a tight poor boy from Manchester, you have to BUM them off a
mate

thats right folks, bumming fags is what I'm all about.
can I do this at the works??

p.s. detroit. still waiting to get the old 1 dollar flight tip off greg
earle, 313's own cheap flight correspondant. can't see it happening.

maybe ACME might sponsor me. dream on.


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Re: (313) Madonna..

2005-11-16 Thread Matt Kane's Brain
On Wed, November 16, 2005 8:24 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
 'jacques le cont' produced her new lp I think.

as in les rythmes digitales? interesting

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Re: (313) Madonna..

2005-11-16 Thread alex . bond
 'jacques le cont' produced her new lp I think.
as in les rythmes digitales? interesting

yeah, that one Matt!
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RE: (313) Madonna..

2005-11-16 Thread Peteri, Jochem
glad to see the same people here as when i left : )

howdy partners, the 154 is back !


ghehehe

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as in les rythmes digitales? interesting

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Re: (313) Madonna..

2005-11-16 Thread Ian Cheshire
nothing to do with the abba sample then ;)

 Turns the Koko club in Camden into a throbing houseclub:

 http://www.nme.com/news/madonna/21519

 I quite like her new tune...it's very80's

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www.kube72.com
www.detroitimpression.com



RE: (313) Madonna..

2005-11-16 Thread Blaauw, Martijn de
Nah, didn't like Abba that much...it's nice to see that she still comes
up with something new to keep her into the spotlights...



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nothing to do with the abba sample then ;)

 Turns the Koko club in Camden into a throbing houseclub:

 http://www.nme.com/news/madonna/21519

 I quite like her new tune...it's very80's

 Martijn






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www.detroitimpression.com




Re: (313) Madonna..

2005-11-16 Thread Martin Dust
The album is full of music ear worms and is very European...not as good 
as Ray Of Light - but I'm no fan to start with...



On 16 Nov 2005, at 14:50, Ian Cheshire wrote:


nothing to do with the abba sample then ;)


Turns the Koko club in Camden into a throbing houseclub:

http://www.nme.com/news/madonna/21519

I quite like her new tune...it's very80's

Martijn







www.midnightbeats.de
www.kube72.com
www.detroitimpression.com






RE: (313) Madonna..

2005-11-16 Thread alex . bond
glad to see the same people here as when i left : )
howdy partners, the 154 is back !

OH BOY!

HOLA 154!

GOT ANY JOKES???
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(313) Konono in Pittsburgh Last Night [O/T]

2005-11-16 Thread Chris O'Connor
Playing to a sold out audience, they rocked it.  I don't have any idea what
they were singing, but I liked every word.

I suggest that if they come to your town you should see them.

Here are their remaining shows.

16/11 NEW YORK, NY JOE'S PUB 
17/11 NEW YORK, NY S.O.B'S  
18/11 SOMERVILLE, MA SOMERVILLE THEATER 
20/11 PHILADELPHIA, PA WORLD LIVE CAFE 
22/11 WASHINGTON, DC KENNEDY CENTER

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RE: (313) her seele

2005-11-16 Thread Peteri, Jochem
marsel send me this one a few days ago...

excuseer, excuseer, dames en heren
http://www.break.com/articles/holditin.html

groet,

Jochem,
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howdy partners, the 154 is back !

OH BOY!

HOLA 154!

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Re: (313) Madonna..

2005-11-16 Thread fab.

excuse me?
ripping off abba is something new? this track is not only using a VERY 
catchy loop but it also sounds like madonna is reinterpreting madonna...same 
old, same old


btw, the best albums are Erotica and Bedtime Stories, beside MAdonna and 
Like a Virgin


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Nah, didn't like Abba that much...it's nice to see that she still comes
up with something new to keep her into the spotlights...






RE: (313) Madonna..

2005-11-16 Thread Peteri, Jochem
i once bought a playboy which featured some pics of her. 
She's actually quite ... hairy...

then again, i also bought the jerney kaagman issue

im a regular fanboy

gonna be looking for them when i get home

woo!

groet,

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excuse me?
ripping off abba is something new? this track is not only using a VERY 
catchy loop but it also sounds like madonna is reinterpreting madonna...same 
old, same old

btw, the best albums are Erotica and Bedtime Stories, beside MAdonna and 
Like a Virgin

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Nah, didn't like Abba that much...it's nice to see that she still comes
up with something new to keep her into the spotlights...





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RE: (313) Madonna..

2005-11-16 Thread Odeluga, Ken

Madonna produced by Jacques-Lu-Cont! Radical!

(Ok, you're right. It's not right that I'm dissing it and I've not even
heard it. I'll listen to it, then *diss* it :)

Have we really come to talking about this people?!?

K
 


RE: (313) Madonna..

2005-11-16 Thread /0
did you get the detroit techno issue?


 Peteri wrote: 
 i once bought a playboy which featured some pics of her. 
 She's actually quite ... hairy...
 
 then again, i also bought the jerney kaagman issue
 
 im a regular fanboy
 
 gonna be looking for them when i get home
 
 woo!
 
 groet,
 
 Jochem,
 Servicedesk ICT
 
 
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 excuse me?
 ripping off abba is something new? this track is not only using a VERY 
 catchy loop but it also sounds like madonna is reinterpreting madonna...same 
 old, same old
 
 btw, the best albums are Erotica and Bedtime Stories, beside MAdonna and 
 Like a Virgin
 
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RE: (313) Madonna..

2005-11-16 Thread alex . bond
Have we really come to talking about this people?!?

looks like it.

I never started it I'd like to add. altho I did provide the FACTS.

I've tried all manner of topics today:

gay dwarves as ear plugs
rhythm is rhythm secret hidden message in music from captain birdseye
fish-fingers

none of them goers *i give up*

hahah.

alex

p.s. bet it was this one that drew the 154 out of his bunker --- gay
dwarves as ear plugs
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RE: (313) Madonna..

2005-11-16 Thread Robert Taylor
Weeelll, Madonna is from Bay City, which is near(ish) Detroit - I think she 
lived there for a while too

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Madonna produced by Jacques-Lu-Cont! Radical!

(Ok, you're right. It's not right that I'm dissing it and I've not even
heard it. I'll listen to it, then *diss* it :)

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RE: (313) Madonna..

2005-11-16 Thread Matt Kane's Brain
Errr, there was a big to do on the list about her 2001 tour when they
first collaborated.

On Wed, November 16, 2005 9:12 am, Odeluga, Ken said:
 Madonna produced by Jacques-Lu-Cont! Radical!

 (Ok, you're right. It's not right that I'm dissing it and I've not even
heard it. I'll listen to it, then *diss* it :)

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Re: (313) her seele

2005-11-16 Thread Carlos de Brito

hahahahahaha...perfekt! great link!

does that guy still work as reporter for that show,
or was he fired?!

c*

Peteri, Jochem wrote:

marsel send me this one a few days ago...

excuseer, excuseer, dames en heren
http://www.break.com/articles/holditin.html

groet,

Jochem,
Servicedesk ICT


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glad to see the same people here as when i left : )
howdy partners, the 154 is back !



OH BOY!

HOLA 154!

GOT ANY JOKES???
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RE: (313) Madonna..

2005-11-16 Thread Peteri, Jochem
yup folks, its happening again : )

and while mr seamus is saving lives at rushhour(check the website for some 
disaster-tourism) id like to point out that im really enjoying mr gottschings 
latest release die mulde, run out and get that cd because its classic

wheater is pretty bad over here, rain and storm on its way, and were heading 
for 18.00
traffic is slow, but steadily jams are forming around the building

good to be back folks, really..

Jochem,
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Subject: RE: (313) Madonna..


Weeelll, Madonna is from Bay City, which is near(ish) Detroit - I think she 
lived there for a while too

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Madonna produced by Jacques-Lu-Cont! Radical!

(Ok, you're right. It's not right that I'm dissing it and I've not even
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(313) EMI Anti-Piracy Statement /Electric Institute

2005-11-16 Thread Odeluga, Ken
Alex Bond wrote:

I've tried all manner of topics today:

gay dwarves as ear plugs
rhythm is rhythm secret hidden message in music from captain birdseye
fish-fingers

none of them goers *i give up*

hahah.today

OK try this Alex:

'The Electric Institute' (a case of 'just buy it' imho) is the first EMI
CD I've bought for over a decade. So this anti-piracy statement on the
inset of the jewel case is new to me:

This recording and artwork are protected by copyright law. Using
Internet services to distribute copyrighted music, giving away illegal
copies of discs or lending discs to others for them to copy is illegal
and does not support those involved in making this piece of music -
especially the artist. By carrying out any of these actions it has the
same effect as stealing music... etc.

Now, I personally try to be scrupulous about music as I'm sincerely
passionate about all music but especially 'advanced' electronic music.
This means I've never illegally downloaded music. However I have
received music from mates which might have been acquired in that way and
I've sometimes made copies of CDs (or digitised vinyl) for friends.

This is someone who actually *wants* to safeguard the income of
musicians and the music biz (yeah all of it, including Madonna!) - But
in EMI's view, *I'm* a crook too, as would many millions of people like
me be as well (we do exist!)

It makes me think that maybe EMI's view is extreme or unreasonable, just
plain unrealistic, maybe just plain pointless.

What do other people think?

Alex, I'd particularly like to know your view, given that you were
co-executive producer? 

I bet you won't say if you agree with EMI or not ;-)

Ken





RE: (313) Madonna../Manuel Gottsching

2005-11-16 Thread alex . bond
id like to point out that im really enjoying mr gottschings latest release
die mulde

eh?!

missed that one, you got a link??

think theres some new prins thomas thing out on bear called gottsching -
dunno what its like, might be alright.

him and lindstrom have re-done e2e4 as well apparently
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Re: (313) Madonna..

2005-11-16 Thread marsel


ps Madonna...

I went to a concert by her in 1987, 
at the age of 13 in Rotterdam




RE: (313) Madonna..

2005-11-16 Thread Peteri, Jochem
and look what happened to you mr server-saver


groet,

Jochem,
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ps Madonna...

I went to a concert by her in 1987, 
at the age of 13 in Rotterdam


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Re: (313) EMI Anti-Piracy Statement /Electric Institute

2005-11-16 Thread alex . bond
This recording and artwork are protected by copyright law. Using
Internet services to distribute copyrighted music, giving away illegal
copies of discs or lending discs to others for them to copy is illegal
and does not support those involved in making this piece of music -
especially the artist. By carrying out any of these actions it has the
same effect as stealing music... etc.

Now, I personally try to be scrupulous about music as I'm sincerely
passionate about all music but especially 'advanced' electronic music.
This means I've never illegally downloaded music. However I have
received music from mates which might have been acquired in that way and
I've sometimes made copies of CDs (or digitised vinyl) for friends.

What do other people think?

Alex, I'd particularly like to know your view, given that you were
co-executive producer?

Hi Ken.

Well, thats a general statement that emi put on all their releases. Whether
I agree or dis-agree is pretty irrelevant I suppose as it has to go on
there!
But its no different to the home-taping statement of many moons ago?
I mean, they're not actually saying anything thats wrong on there, what
they're saying is correct of course - but thats always been the record
company line - even when internet piracy wasn't around, there was always
statements of a similar ilk - e.g. public performance statement, or home
taping statement.

do you see what I mean? i.e. its a bit of a nothing/general statement?

Alex

p.s. thank you very much for buying it, your support is appreciated.
p.p.s. no one ever called me a co-executive before. heh. doubt they'll ever
do it again either!


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(313) Ashra vs klaus nomi

2005-11-16 Thread Peteri, Jochem
ok, this is weird

gottsching is also a producer for films, and was involved as a producer with  
the nomi song

klaus nomi..

why is it that for years its been totally quite about him
and all of a sudden the intergalactic gay version of Bassie from Adriaan 
returns popping up in a conversation at least once a day

why?

is it me?

strange

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RE: (313) Madonna../Manuel Gottsching

2005-11-16 Thread Peteri, Jochem
http://www.ashra.com/disco/1a51mu.htm

somehow reminds me of tales of the unexpected of dave angel too, but without a 
kickdrum

weird but good



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id like to point out that im really enjoying mr gottschings latest release
die mulde

eh?!

missed that one, you got a link??

think theres some new prins thomas thing out on bear called gottsching -
dunno what its like, might be alright.

him and lindstrom have re-done e2e4 as well apparently
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Re: (313) Genres

2005-11-16 Thread Michael . Elliot-Knight




I'm all into acoustitronica? these days.

MEK



Re: (313) Genres

2005-11-16 Thread Michael . Elliot-Knight






Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/16/2005 04:39:11 AM:

 And on the other side of the coin I know
 lots of Heads that hate the crusty/squat/loopy techno and hold the
 belief that it's done a great deal of damage.

well, it certainly has done a great deal of damage to their dress sense. ;)

MEK




Re: (313) EMI Anti-Piracy Statement /Electric Institute

2005-11-16 Thread Thorin Teague

That, not only is this horse dead, but so is bringing up the fact that
this horse is dead.

Odeluga, Ken wrote:


What do other people think?
 





Re: (313) Konono in Pittsburgh Last Night [O/T]

2005-11-16 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On Wed, November 16, 2005 2:59 pm, Chris O'Connor wrote:
 Playing to a sold out audience, they rocked it.  I don't have any idea
 what
 they were singing, but I liked every word.

 I suggest that if they come to your town you should see them.

seriously, this was the most techno thing ive seen in a long long time.
those doods were so awesome. i picked up their CD, it sounds really nice
and lo-fi and nasty, just how i like it! ill be rocking it in the ipod
today for sure. definitely go check them out if you have the chance.

tom




RE: (313) Madonna..

2005-11-16 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On Wed, November 16, 2005 3:12 pm, Odeluga, Ken wrote:

 Madonna produced by Jacques-Lu-Cont! Radical!

 (Ok, you're right. It's not right that I'm dissing it and I've not even
 heard it. I'll listen to it, then *diss* it :)

 Have we really come to talking about this people?!?

how is it possible to not love madonna?!?!?

tom




(313) cold days

2005-11-16 Thread marsel


with these cold days,
i thought it's good to share a gentle warm, yet unmastered and yet untitled 
track of an upcoming delsin release


http://incoming.delsin.org/52dsr-quinn-b1.mp3





Re: (313) cold days

2005-11-16 Thread marsel


ps. the track is by Quinn,
a 24 years new one from Holland


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with these cold days,
i thought it's good to share a gentle warm, yet unmastered and yet 
untitled track of an upcoming delsin release


http://incoming.delsin.org/52dsr-quinn-b1.mp3







RE: (313) Madonna..

2005-11-16 Thread J.T.
i can totally picture you dancing in (stylishly) ripped t-shirt and acidwash 
jeans, singing along to holiday...not much changed since then i hope 

-Original Message-
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To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) Madonna..

and look what happened to you mr server-saver


groet,

Jochem,
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ps Madonna...

I went to a concert by her in 1987, 
at the age of 13 in Rotterdam


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RE: (313) Madonna..

2005-11-16 Thread Robert Taylor

I dunno, something to do with the fact that she is the worst kind of culture 
vulture - just read that she wants to 'do' krumping after watching the Dave 
LaChappelle doc on it - he refused, so she recruited one of the dancers. She 
exploits subcultures relentlessly -chewing them up and spitting them out like a 
black scourge - each time she does it, she looks more tired and desperate to 
appear with it and relevant. You don't do this by leaping on every bandwagon 
that comes your way my dear, you have to be innovative and original yourself. 
That's why I have no love for her - she's a ruthless explotative hasbeen
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Subject: RE: (313) Madonna..

how is it possible to not love madonna?!?!?

tom


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RE: (313) Madonna..

2005-11-16 Thread Kelly, Stephen
ps Madonna...

I went to a concert by her in 1987, 
at the age of 13 in Rotterdam

i was only 13 when i went to my first 154 concert..

i also have his playboy issue..






RE: (313) Madonna..

2005-11-16 Thread Peteri, Jochem
and im still wearing your underwear

groet,

Jochem,
Servicedesk ICT


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Subject: RE: (313) Madonna..


ps Madonna...

I went to a concert by her in 1987, 
at the age of 13 in Rotterdam

i was only 13 when i went to my first 154 concert..

i also have his playboy issue..





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RE: (313) Madonna..

2005-11-16 Thread Peteri, Jochem
only real change is that i grew larger breasts than genesis p orridge : )

and one of my goldfish died

ralf

florian is still going strong though

thank god

groet,

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i can totally picture you dancing in (stylishly) ripped t-shirt and acidwash 
jeans, singing along to holiday...not much changed since then i hope 

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Sent: Nov 16, 2005 10:39 AM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) Madonna..

and look what happened to you mr server-saver


groet,

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ps Madonna...

I went to a concert by her in 1987, 
at the age of 13 in Rotterdam


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RE: (313) Madonna..

2005-11-16 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On Wed, November 16, 2005 4:32 pm, Robert Taylor wrote:

 I dunno, something to do with the fact that she is the worst kind of
 culture vulture - just read that she wants to 'do' krumping after watching
 the Dave LaChappelle doc on it - he refused, so she recruited one of the
 dancers. She exploits subcultures relentlessly -chewing them up and
 spitting them out like a black scourge - each time she does it, she looks
 more tired and desperate to appear with it and relevant. You don't do this
 by leaping on every bandwagon that comes your way my dear, you have to be
 innovative and original yourself. That's why I have no love for her -
 she's a ruthless explotative hasbeen

wow, and ive been accused of being a hater before!

i just dont see it that way. for the most part, she does like to take
things from other subcultures, this is true. but she does it very
respectfully i think. she pays all these dance music producers very well
and gives them massive exposure they wouldnt otherwise receive, etc. she
doesnt ask that people change their stuff up to make it popular, she just
makes these things okay in popular culture by doing them. whats wrong with
that? if only other people with that kind of cultural power used that
power to get money and props for musicians and people who deserve it! i
guess bjork does to a much smaller degree, and maybe radiohead as well.
but the list is very short and none of them are as popular as madonna

tom




Re: (313) Turn the volume down....

2005-11-16 Thread Kent Williams
I have to wear plugs at shows, and most of the weekend of the Detroit
festival, because I've worked at and attended so many shows that I get
tinnitus.  I still have most of my hearing, but I've lost most of it
above 14,000 hz.

It would be great if everyone invested in custom-fitted musician's
plugs, but these are the next best thing:

http://store.yahoo.com/earplugstore/mackshearplugs.html

Cigarette Filters are NOT an alternative.

If you just have the foam plugs -- they're highly effective at
preserving your hearing, but don't sound so good.  But stick with it
-- your hearing is a dialog between your ears and your brains, and if
you keep the plugs in, your ears adjust, and even though high
frequencies are attenuated much more than low, you can still hear the
music.  Often you can hear the music better. That continuous high
frequency hash of people shouting at each other and the high frequency
sound bouncing around the club makes it difficult to hear anything.

I don't really know what to thing about the sound pressure levels in
clubs.  People want loud systems, but what passes for loud these days
is only safe for a hour's exposure a couple of times a month, not
seven or eight continuous hours.  When I run sound, I don't run the
system as loud as it can go, both because it sounds better, and
because people don't really notice the difference between 105 dB and
120dB.  If I back off the main level and turn up the subs a little so
people still feel the bass, they seem happy enough even though the
signals hitting their ear are half as loud in linear amplitude.

The important thing to remember is that DJs and Musicians are like the
Radiologist at the hospital -- their exposure is chronic, whereas a
punter's exposure is intermittent, so please remember your protection.

Also think about noise in other settings.  I wear plugs on the subway
in New York, and when I'm on long car rides or airplane flights,
because prolonged exposure to levels above 80dB can damage your
hearing as well.  I find that attenutating the noise also has the
effect of reducing my overall sense of fatigue.

As important as music is to all the subscribers of this list, this is
a very important topic. I'm worried that when today's club kids reach
my age, they won't have much hearing left.


RE: (313) Madonna..

2005-11-16 Thread Robert Taylor

Sorry, was something I had to get off my chest - I loved her til Like A Prayer.
But now she really gets on my wick. There's something about her that really 
grates.
-Original Message-
From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 16 November 2005 16:42
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) Madonna..


On Wed, November 16, 2005 4:32 pm, Robert Taylor wrote:

 I dunno, something to do with the fact that she is the worst kind of
 culture vulture - just read that she wants to 'do' krumping after watching
 the Dave LaChappelle doc on it - he refused, so she recruited one of the
 dancers. She exploits subcultures relentlessly -chewing them up and
 spitting them out like a black scourge - each time she does it, she looks
 more tired and desperate to appear with it and relevant. You don't do this
 by leaping on every bandwagon that comes your way my dear, you have to be
 innovative and original yourself. That's why I have no love for her -
 she's a ruthless explotative hasbeen

wow, and ive been accused of being a hater before!

i just dont see it that way. for the most part, she does like to take
things from other subcultures, this is true. but she does it very
respectfully i think. she pays all these dance music producers very well
and gives them massive exposure they wouldnt otherwise receive, etc. she
doesnt ask that people change their stuff up to make it popular, she just
makes these things okay in popular culture by doing them. whats wrong with
that? if only other people with that kind of cultural power used that
power to get money and props for musicians and people who deserve it! i
guess bjork does to a much smaller degree, and maybe radiohead as well.
but the list is very short and none of them are as popular as madonna

tom


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RE: (313) Madonna..

2005-11-16 Thread Robert Taylor
Plus - I would probably forgive her a lot if she actually sounded any good, but 
she really doesn't even if she hires a fantastic engineer/producer - you can't 
polish a turd

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From: Robert Taylor 
Sent: 16 November 2005 16:45
To: 'Thomas D. Cox, Jr.'; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) Madonna..



Sorry, was something I had to get off my chest - I loved her til Like A Prayer.
But now she really gets on my wick. There's something about her that really 
grates.
-Original Message-
From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 16 November 2005 16:42
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) Madonna..


On Wed, November 16, 2005 4:32 pm, Robert Taylor wrote:

 I dunno, something to do with the fact that she is the worst kind of
 culture vulture - just read that she wants to 'do' krumping after watching
 the Dave LaChappelle doc on it - he refused, so she recruited one of the
 dancers. She exploits subcultures relentlessly -chewing them up and
 spitting them out like a black scourge - each time she does it, she looks
 more tired and desperate to appear with it and relevant. You don't do this
 by leaping on every bandwagon that comes your way my dear, you have to be
 innovative and original yourself. That's why I have no love for her -
 she's a ruthless explotative hasbeen

wow, and ive been accused of being a hater before!

i just dont see it that way. for the most part, she does like to take
things from other subcultures, this is true. but she does it very
respectfully i think. she pays all these dance music producers very well
and gives them massive exposure they wouldnt otherwise receive, etc. she
doesnt ask that people change their stuff up to make it popular, she just
makes these things okay in popular culture by doing them. whats wrong with
that? if only other people with that kind of cultural power used that
power to get money and props for musicians and people who deserve it! i
guess bjork does to a much smaller degree, and maybe radiohead as well.
but the list is very short and none of them are as popular as madonna

tom


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(313) rushhour server

2005-11-16 Thread Kelly, Stephen
i just tried placing an order for 1,000 peel seamus records and now the site
doesn't work..

i'll have to buy something different, i have no patience..


Re: (313) Madonna..

2005-11-16 Thread Martin Dust

You would though, wouldn't you Rob?

On 16 Nov 2005, at 16:45, Robert Taylor wrote:



Sorry, was something I had to get off my chest - I loved her til Like  
A Prayer.
But now she really gets on my wick. There's something about her that  
really grates.

-Original Message-
From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 16 November 2005 16:42
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) Madonna..


On Wed, November 16, 2005 4:32 pm, Robert Taylor wrote:


I dunno, something to do with the fact that she is the worst kind of
culture vulture - just read that she wants to 'do' krumping after  
watching
the Dave LaChappelle doc on it - he refused, so she recruited one of  
the

dancers. She exploits subcultures relentlessly -chewing them up and
spitting them out like a black scourge - each time she does it, she  
looks
more tired and desperate to appear with it and relevant. You don't do  
this
by leaping on every bandwagon that comes your way my dear, you have  
to be

innovative and original yourself. That's why I have no love for her -
she's a ruthless explotative hasbeen


wow, and ive been accused of being a hater before!

i just dont see it that way. for the most part, she does like to take
things from other subcultures, this is true. but she does it very
respectfully i think. she pays all these dance music producers very  
well
and gives them massive exposure they wouldnt otherwise receive, etc.  
she
doesnt ask that people change their stuff up to make it popular, she  
just
makes these things okay in popular culture by doing them. whats wrong  
with

that? if only other people with that kind of cultural power used that
power to get money and props for musicians and people who deserve it! i
guess bjork does to a much smaller degree, and maybe radiohead as well.
but the list is very short and none of them are as popular as  
madonna


tom


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RE: (313) rushhour server

2005-11-16 Thread Peteri, Jochem
try clone, great selection

: )

groet,

Jochem,
Servicedesk ICT


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Sent: woensdag 16 november 2005 17:51
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Subject: (313) rushhour server


i just tried placing an order for 1,000 peel seamus records and now the site
doesn't work..

i'll have to buy something different, i have no patience..

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Re: (313) Madonna..

2005-11-16 Thread robin


hahaha i stole a copy of that from the newspaper shop i worked at. my 
mates mum caught us with it.


welcome back 154!

:)

robin...

On 16 Nov 2005, at 15:04, Peteri, Jochem wrote:


i once bought a playboy which featured some pics of her.
She's actually quite ... hairy...




RE: (313) Madonna..

2005-11-16 Thread Robert Taylor
Not now!

-Original Message-
From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 16 November 2005 16:51
To: Robert Taylor
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org; Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
Subject: Re: (313) Madonna..


You would though, wouldn't you Rob?

On 16 Nov 2005, at 16:45, Robert Taylor wrote:


 Sorry, was something I had to get off my chest - I loved her til Like  
 A Prayer.
 But now she really gets on my wick. There's something about her that  
 really grates.
 -Original Message-
 From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 16 November 2005 16:42
 To: 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: RE: (313) Madonna..


 On Wed, November 16, 2005 4:32 pm, Robert Taylor wrote:

 I dunno, something to do with the fact that she is the worst kind of
 culture vulture - just read that she wants to 'do' krumping after  
 watching
 the Dave LaChappelle doc on it - he refused, so she recruited one of  
 the
 dancers. She exploits subcultures relentlessly -chewing them up and
 spitting them out like a black scourge - each time she does it, she  
 looks
 more tired and desperate to appear with it and relevant. You don't do  
 this
 by leaping on every bandwagon that comes your way my dear, you have  
 to be
 innovative and original yourself. That's why I have no love for her -
 she's a ruthless explotative hasbeen

 wow, and ive been accused of being a hater before!

 i just dont see it that way. for the most part, she does like to take
 things from other subcultures, this is true. but she does it very
 respectfully i think. she pays all these dance music producers very  
 well
 and gives them massive exposure they wouldnt otherwise receive, etc.  
 she
 doesnt ask that people change their stuff up to make it popular, she  
 just
 makes these things okay in popular culture by doing them. whats wrong  
 with
 that? if only other people with that kind of cultural power used that
 power to get money and props for musicians and people who deserve it! i
 guess bjork does to a much smaller degree, and maybe radiohead as well.
 but the list is very short and none of them are as popular as  
 madonna

 tom


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RE: (313) Madonna..

2005-11-16 Thread Michael . Elliot-Knight




You surely mean nice to see that she hired another producer that can
manage to keep her in the spotlight don't you Martijn?
Ever notice the songs that she does most of the writing and producing for
generally are not the ones that become the hit singles?  In fact, she's
only been credited, I think, three times as the lone composer.

Let's see
Erotica was Shep Pettibone and Andre Betts
Madonna was Jellybean Benitez and Reggie Lucas
Music was Mirawais and William Orbit
Ray of Light was William Orbit and a few other writers
Like a Prayer - she only wrote the last song by herself - everything else
is Patrick Leonard
Like a Virgin was Stephen Bray - the biggest hits on that record she has
no writing credits what-so-ever (Like a Virgin and Material Girl) - check
out the ones she wrote by herself (Shoo-bee-doo and Pretender) - they're
real stinkers
True Blue was more of Bray and Leonard
On You Can Dance she has no writing credit to Holiday but seemed to be
learning something as she is credited with Everybody - everything else is
Bray, Leonard again
I'm Breathless was more of the same - Pettibone, Bray, Leonard
Bedtime Stories - well, for starters you've got Björk and Nellie Hooper,
then Babyface, The Isley Brothers, and Dallas Austin
Evita - the fact that she had to have a singing coach this late in her
career speaks volumes
American Life was Mirawais again
and now the new one is Les Rhythmes Digitales

Left to her to her own devices and she would most likely have sunk like a
stone
I credit her for being pretty damn savvy when it comes to business and
trend following
she's not a trail blazer at all - it's everyone she surrounds herself with
(stylists, producers, etc.) that are the trail blazers

MEK


Blaauw, Martijn de  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/16/2005
08:53:30 AM:

 Nah, didn't like Abba that much...it's nice to see that she still comes
 up with something new to keep her into the spotlights...



 -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
 Van: Ian Cheshire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Verzonden: woensdag 16 november 2005 15:51
 Aan: Blaauw, Martijn de
 CC: 313@hyperreal.org
 Onderwerp: Re: (313) Madonna..


 nothing to do with the abba sample then ;)

  Turns the Koko club in Camden into a throbing houseclub:
 
  http://www.nme.com/news/madonna/21519
 
  I quite like her new tune...it's very80's
 
  Martijn
 
 
 
 


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 www.kube72.com
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RE: (313) rushhour server

2005-11-16 Thread Kelly, Stephen
sorted, clone had boxes of unsold peel seamus records..

thanks for the tip 154 ;)


Re: (313) Ashra vs klaus nomi

2005-11-16 Thread Klaas-Jan Jongsma


On 16-nov-2005, at 17:03, Peteri, Jochem wrote:


ok, this is weird

gottsching is also a producer for films, and was involved as a  
producer with  the nomi song


klaus nomi..

why is it that for years its been totally quite about him
and all of a sudden the intergalactic gay version of Bassie from  
Adriaan returns popping up in a conversation at least once a day


Huh Klaus Nomi is back? Didn't the guy die from aids years ago?


RE: (313) Madonna..

2005-11-16 Thread Michael . Elliot-Knight




Is that why Madonna claimed to have invented vogueing?

I think Björk has exposed so many more people to a new way of listening to
music
The difference between Björk and Madonna can be seen first in the writing
credits - Björk is the lone writer on the majority of her songs (see my
previous post about Madonna)
her concepts/music are light years ahead of Madonna's

try as you might to compare them - the two just are on two totally
different planes of existence

MEK


Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/16/2005 10:42:12
AM:

 On Wed, November 16, 2005 4:32 pm, Robert Taylor wrote:
 
  I dunno, something to do with the fact that she is the worst kind of
  culture vulture - just read that she wants to 'do' krumping after
watching
  the Dave LaChappelle doc on it - he refused, so she recruited one of
the
  dancers. She exploits subcultures relentlessly -chewing them up and
  spitting them out like a black scourge - each time she does it, she
looks
  more tired and desperate to appear with it and relevant. You don't do
this
  by leaping on every bandwagon that comes your way my dear, you have to
be
  innovative and original yourself. That's why I have no love for her -
  she's a ruthless explotative hasbeen

 wow, and ive been accused of being a hater before!

 i just dont see it that way. for the most part, she does like to take
 things from other subcultures, this is true. but she does it very
 respectfully i think. she pays all these dance music producers very well
 and gives them massive exposure they wouldnt otherwise receive, etc. she
 doesnt ask that people change their stuff up to make it popular, she just
 makes these things okay in popular culture by doing them. whats wrong
with
 that? if only other people with that kind of cultural power used that
 power to get money and props for musicians and people who deserve it! i
 guess bjork does to a much smaller degree, and maybe radiohead as well.
 but the list is very short and none of them are as popular as madonna

 tom





Re: (313) Madonna..

2005-11-16 Thread fab.

i prefer audion and the 154


- Original Message - 
From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 5:22 PM
Subject: RE: (313) Madonna..



On Wed, November 16, 2005 3:12 pm, Odeluga, Ken wrote:


Madonna produced by Jacques-Lu-Cont! Radical!

(Ok, you're right. It's not right that I'm dissing it and I've not even
heard it. I'll listen to it, then *diss* it :)

Have we really come to talking about this people?!?


how is it possible to not love madonna?!?!?

tom








Re: (313) Genres

2005-11-16 Thread Ian Malbon

On Nov 16, 2005, at 11:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I'm all into acoustitronica? these days.


How does that differ from this?
http://www.bangonacan.org/store/item.html?sku=CA21028
--
Ian




Re: (313) Genres

2005-11-16 Thread Michael . Elliot-Knight




It's like black and white, night and day dude. Acoustitronica has NOTHING
to do with acoustica. Don't you see, the stuff I listen to has tronica in
the name so it's totally different and cooler.  The music I listen to
almost has a separate bin with a label in the record shops.

MEK

Ian Malbon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/16/2005 12:53:08 PM:

 On Nov 16, 2005, at 11:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I'm all into acoustitronica? these days.

 How does that differ from this?
 http://www.bangonacan.org/store/item.html?sku=CA21028
 --
 Ian





RE: (313) Madonna..

2005-11-16 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On Wed, November 16, 2005 5:12 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Is that why Madonna claimed to have invented vogueing?

youll definitely have to point me to where she claims that, ive never seen
or heard of that.

 I think Björk has exposed so many more people to a new way of listening to
 music
 The difference between Björk and Madonna can be seen first in the writing
 credits - Björk is the lone writer on the majority of her songs (see my
 previous post about Madonna)
 her concepts/music are light years ahead of Madonna's

 try as you might to compare them - the two just are on two totally
 different planes of existence

except of course for the fact that bjork is listened to by maybe 1/10th of
the size audience that madonna is, if that. madonna getting relatively
underground electronic music played on pop radio stations is something
that bjork certainly isnt pulling off (not to take anything from her of
course, i love both of them!). they are definitely different, but madonna
does things on the most mainstream level, and the stuff she gets away with
on that level is far crazier than what bjork gets away with on her much
more limited stage.

tom




(313) Cratesavers

2005-11-16 Thread Dan Bean

Evening/Morning/Afternoon all.

Was asked to forward the following, which may be of interest to list 
peeps:


Best,

Dan.

Cratesaver Muzik: The Continuance of Detroit's Electronic Legacy.

SCAN 7 and Posatronix have joined forces to create Cratesavers Muzik. 
Together with a vision of preservation, they seek to keep the movement 
of the electronic music culture strong, true, and independent.  Move 
into the future, realize the present  don’t forget about the history.


How Cratesavers came to be:
The idea behind Cratesavers Muzik is the preservation of vinyl records.
Label:  http://www.discogs.com/label/Cratesaver+Records+Detroit

2004 Trackmasta Lou  Posatronix - longtime acquaintances decided to 
embark on Cratesavers Muzik as a group collaboration.  It was in their 
best interest to pool their resources together to make the big push. 
With over 30 combined years of experience making records and working in 
the industry, they've witnessed first hand what works and what doesn't 
work.  This experience is the reason they have decided to try their 
hand at the business end of the music.


Cratesavers Muzik embodies common sense and family values along with 
the preservation of the craft. The label is open to all types/genres of 
music submissions.  Trackmasta Lou  Posatronix have their roots 
strongly planted in various types of electronic music.  In order to be 
a part of the label, artists have to be able to perform live/analog to 
be a part of the label.


Website Information:
November 2005 will also launch of the new Cratesavers Muzik website. 
http://www.cratesavers.com  The website will feature artist bios, a 
gallery for event photos, a forum for fan interaction, streaming audio, 
news, tour dates, booking information and an online store.  The store 
will feature the labels catalog and will offer both digital downloads 
of original production material and hard copies of the catalog (records 
 CDs).   In the future, other merchandise will become available for 
purchase including t-shirts, stickers and free downloads!  Keep your 
eye out for other techno memorabilia and rarities as well.   The site 
design was collaborative effort with the Detroit Techno Militia 
http://www.detroittechnomilitia.com


Arthur Oskan record release:
Cratesavers Muzik presents Arthur Oskan's Resolutions
Record: Resolutions
Record Release Date: Nov 19th
Age: 27
He is very passionate about the Cratesavers ideals.

Trackmasta Lou  Posatronix met Arthur Oskan at the Fuse-In Festival in 
Detroit in 2005.  Arthur who is from Toronto, was booked to play at a 
Fuse-In after party that was subsequently cancelled.  They went to hang 
out with him in his hotel room to check out his music.  After the 
festival, Trackmasta Lou  Posatronix took a trip up to Toronto to 
check out Arthur's studio.  They feel that Arthur’s work captures the 
essence of Detroit.  His music will set the bar for the future releases 
on the Cratesavers label.


Information for the Arthur Oskan's Resolutions Record Release Party:
Cratesavers Muzik Presents
Arthur Oskan's Resolutions Record Release Party

Date: Nov. 19th, 2005
Location: The Hub http://www.hub-detroit.com
1344 Broadway, Downtown Detroit – 313-961-2000

Your MC will be Detroit's premier techno radio show host, 90.9 FM's own 
Magic Mike Young, the man who brought you Stick it in your Ear”.


Artists
Keith Tucker – DJ K-1 // Aux88 // Puzzlebox Records //
James Pennington – Suburban Knight // Underground Resistance //
Arthur Oskan (Live PA) // Cratesavers Muzik // Doors at 10pm // $5 
cover // 21+
This party will mark the release of the Cratesavers first record on the 
label:

Arthur Oskan’s “ Resolutions”.

Info: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bookings: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Reporting from the front lines,
-The Informer


RE: (313) Genres

2005-11-16 Thread Svagr, Jodie
MKD Dude... how can you say it's like night and day black and white??  Did you 
actually read what the description says?

Alarm Will Sound, who the NY Times calls the future of classical music, has, 
with a cadre of 10 arrangers, painstakingly recreated and rethought Aphex 
Twin's legendary electronic work for an all-acoustic ensemble.

That to me shows a direct link between electronic music and acoustic... might 
not be exactly the link your talking about, but it's definitely in the grey 
area, not black and white like you say.  And as for your version being 
cooler...  all I can say is what??  I think it's great that classical music is 
evolving to study electronic music...  10 arrangers painstakingly recreated and 
rethought Aphex Twins music...  how can anyone not think that's cool?  

And just so you know, I don't like acoustic music, I rarely listen to anything 
other than electronic, but I do like people being creative with electronic 
music, and I love that other genres are studying it.

So... MKD... Since your version of music is s much cooler than the rest... 
post some of it... let us hear it.

Cheers!!  JoD

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 16 November 2005 19:10
To: Ian Malbon
Cc: 313 List
Subject: Re: (313) Genres




It's like black and white, night and day dude. Acoustitronica has NOTHING
to do with acoustica. Don't you see, the stuff I listen to has tronica in
the name so it's totally different and cooler.  The music I listen to
almost has a separate bin with a label in the record shops.

MEK

Ian Malbon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/16/2005 12:53:08 PM:

 On Nov 16, 2005, at 11:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I'm all into acoustitronica? these days.

 How does that differ from this?
 http://www.bangonacan.org/store/item.html?sku=CA21028
 --
 Ian




Re: (313) Madonna..

2005-11-16 Thread robin




except of course for the fact that bjork is listened to by maybe 
1/10th of

the size audience that madonna is, if that. madonna getting relatively
underground electronic music played on pop radio stations is something
that bjork certainly isnt pulling off (not to take anything from her of
course, i love both of them!). they are definitely different, but 
madonna
does things on the most mainstream level, and the stuff she gets away 
with

on that level is far crazier than what bjork gets away with on her much
more limited stage.


must be a cultural difference or something but i can't beleive you're 
honestly arguing for madonna's corner.


in the UK that bland electro-pop that she's peddling is what fills the 
charts (and has done for a few yearssugarbabes, libertyX, kylie 
etc).


she's just hired some geezer who can do that, paid big for an abba 
sample (pop gold) and run with that.


she has pretentions of being landed gentry here as well i also find 
faintly ludicrous.


robin...







(313) Carl Craig on Beats in Space

2005-11-16 Thread Adam Smith
I can't remember if anyone here likes Carl Craig or not, but just in
case, here is a set that was aired on beats in space last night:

http://www.beatsinspace.net/main.html

While you're there, perhaps last week's show may be interesting to you
also, Darshan Jesrani from Metro Area played some records, and played
them well.

Oh yeah, Tim Sweeney, host of beats in space, is no slouch himself.
I've never heard a bad mix set on this show. He covers many genres
over many decades in the span of any one show and does it very well.

Enjoy!

Regards,

Adam


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