[313] For Sale
Any/all interested http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItemsuserid=eddied3include=0since=-1sort=2rows=25 Also I've got a Likemind 001 that I tried to list but for some reason it didn't go up if you want it, write me. Got a Quadrant on RS too that I haven't bothered listing yet. Peace, Matt - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UR Rarities
Just wondering: have all the early UR releases been re-released on vinyl by now? Which ones are left how rare are they? Which ones are virtually impossible to track down? Mad Mike keeps these perpetually in print. http://www.submerge.com has just about everything UR ever did, at something like $4-5 a piece. Can't miss with that. The UR SID stuff you might have to ask about and there are one or two UR 12s that have been out of print for a long time (Fury and Piranha are the ones that come to mind). A lot of the UR releases can only be appreciated nostalgically or ideologically these days; some sound really painfully dated and some of them were never that good. However there are a couple that remain among the best Detroit 12s of all time: the Sonic EP, Galaxy 2 Galaxy, Punisher, Message to the Majors, and some of their remixes. Also recommended while you're at Submerge would be the back catalogs of Red Planet and Basic Channel, the former defining modern trance (that sounds awful; don't blame the influencer for the influencees' behavior) and the latter being just about the greatest consistent label in techno outside of KDJ and Sound Signature. (The same is not true, by the way, of Chain Reaction, so those releases aren't really recommended.) Matt
KDJ 5
Hi all - Just learned that some (all?) of last year's KDJ 5 repressings have two tracks on the A-side I don't suppose anyone on this list wants to sell me one or at least tell me if both tracks are new or if they have appeared elsewhere in the KDJ catalog Matt
KDJ
Two new ones from KDJ KDJ 29 Andres KDJ 30 JAN KDJ 30 is JAN 001 which was supposed to be KDJ 16 really nice ideological style from him, like 'Amerika' but with a nicer loop (an exhalation that sounds like an old slave freedom song or something, so much soul) with more interesting dialogue put over the top Can anyone on this list tell me if they have a copy of KDJ 5 with two tracks on the A-side? Mine only has one but I read a review somewhere implying that there were two Thanks, peace, respect, Matt
Re: [313] brinkmann opens the can of worms
This race issue isn't that interesting if it's good, who cares where it's from, or who's doing it? I know KDJ and Theo are two producers who speak out about appropriation of black music, but I'd interpret their comments as more against people who misappropriate it (which, to be honest, is just about everyone). Anyone who thinks that's racist is suffering from more than a dissociation of sensibility - it has more to do with justified anger over what is the focal point of a cultural tradition being cheapened to make some bank/fame. However, in the case of the more intelligent German house producers (i.e. Brinkmann) it really is 'Vision Meets Vision'; Brinkmann is trying to do something different, to bridge the German minimal tech and the Detroit soul. I think he's still practicing, but the Ingrahm track and 'Can I Ask You' from Soul Center CD 2 are just awesome. He isn't stealing black music, watering it down, and getting accolodates off it, he's taking it as source material for something different. Also witness Basic Channel playing around with dub; doesn't sound like Tubby's, because it's a variation, not Tubby Lite. Keb Darge sums it up well in some liners: 'Sissy Walk will be familiar, some young pretender achieved glory on the back of this and a Just Brothers track by adding a few stupid shouts and noises, then kidding on he was a great innovator.' This is, I think, what lots of these Detroit producers are talking about. I got in an argument with somebody about how Fatboy Slim was entitled to do this: he really isn't. There's no excuse for mediocrity, but if you're going to do it, don't insult peoples' traditions of quality, original music. But no one would doubt Keb Darge's knowledge of and respect for black music: he's responsible for literally saving hundreds of 45s from extinction, and makes some mean, mean sets of music you'd never heard otherwise. For a good article on this issue, relating to jazz and Wynton Marsalis, check this URL: http://www.tnr.com/012201/wieseltier012201.html Alla prossima, Matt
Re: [313] DEMF no Ritchie Hawtin!!
re: DEMF Jose - never fear! Norma Jean Bell is playing, this means almost assuredly KDJ will be there, either on piano or on turntables, or on something. At least, I would hope. I couldn't imagine Kenny not being at the DEMF, he's one of the few Detroit techno producers who really supports the city. Also, Rick Wilhite nice. Maybe Rick can repress KDJ 008 and 011 to celebrate. As for no Richie Hawtin, as far as I'm concerned, that's excellent. In fact, if Richie Hawtin were playing at the DEMF, points would be deducted. No Theo Parrish, though. Matt
3 Chairs
All you armchair deephouse experts are welcome to come proofread the 3 Chairs + NJB/Pandamonium discography http://www.twoplayer.co.uk/kdj/full.asp Done by catalog #, so if you have a comp (no DJ mixes though) or know of a remix of a 12 we missed, please drop a line. Also, anybody looking to make some change for their KDJ/Theo records, I'm looking for: Kenny Dixon Jr: Moodytraxx (KDJ 1) Soul Edge: Get On Up! (KDJ 8) Moodymann: Shades of Jae (repress) (KDJ 21/23) Kenny Dixon Jr: Untitled (KDJ 23) Analog: Live/Rehersals 8/8/00 (KDJ 28A/B) Moodymann: JAN (JAN 1) Dewayne Davis: It Shows (PAND 2) Dewayne Davis: Wha Cha Do For Me (PAND 12) Theo Parrish: I Can't Take It (PE white label) Theo Parrish: Only the Beginning (Peacefrog white label) Respect all, peace, Matt
New KDJ
Hey - Did anyone manage to get one of those new KDJ records? (Jan 001). This is getting really, really elitist when I can't get a copy two days after it comes out. Thumbs up to anyone who tells me how it sounds or God forbid has any for sale. Matt
more tracklisting q's
Anyone got track listings for any of these? Pandamonium 002 (Dewayne Davis: It Shows) Pandamonium 005 (NJB: Love Me In the Rain) Pandamonium 007 (NJB: Dreams) Pandamonium 013 (Dewayne Davis: Wha Cha Do For Me) And also which track by KDJ is on the Abstract Fusion comp . Anyone helping me out gets the personal satisfaction of helping finish the KDJ/Theo/NJB/Wilhite discography (for now) . if anyone is curious there are nearly 100 records listed with tracks (very little overlap) by the 3 Chairs and Norma . yikes. And I don't even know about all the missing catalog #'s . Matt
tracklistings ....
Cats and kittens - Need someone to tell me what Moodymann tracks are on these respective comps: Adventures In Techno Soul (Ferox) Abstract Fusion (Trackmode/Music Is) (Is the latter just a track from the MU001 EP he did for Music Is?) Also, anyone know if there are any other comps w/exclusive KDJ/Moodymann tracks? I'm guessing not . Matt
Re: [313] Moodymann.com
I think this is Moodymann's official site, as it seems to emanate from another site that looks officially set up (beatwax, I think). So big ups to KDJ for getting on the Internet if this is him. Maybe he will take advantage of the global community to give people the heads up on new releases, or at least some cool content. Matt
Pandamonium Discography?
Anybody want to patch this up? PAND1 NJB: I'm the Baddest Bitch in the Room PAND2 Dewayne Davis: It Shows PAND3 NJB: Nobody's Gonna Love You (12) PAND4 NJB: Nobody's Gonna Love You (2x12) PAND5 NJB: Love Me in the Rain PAND6 ? PAND7 ? PAND8 ? PAND9 NJB: One of Those Nites PAND10 NJB: I Like the Things You Do For Me (??) PAND11 ? (Friday Nite?) PAND12 Dewayne Davis: Wha Cha Do For Me (??) PAND13 NJB: Friday Nite Remixes (??) PAND14 ? (K. Hand?) PAND15 Sharon Jones: I'm Gonna Get Ya PAND16 K. Hand: Supernatural PAND17 ? PAND18 Norma Jean Bell: Do You Want to Party? PAND19 Moodymann: Don't You Want My Love Also, does anybody want to tell me if any besides PAND1, 2, 3, 4, 9, 15 and 18 have MM/KDJ mixes, and if the MM mix on PAND3 is different from either of his mixes on PAND4 Matt
Litter of adorable CD's need new home
Yes, it's that time again when I take a bunch of CD's I bought, sell them for less than what I paid for them, and lament my absolute lack of financial sense. IF YOU'RE INTERESTED CONTACT ME ASAP. I have to get the money for these real, real soon as I'm going back to school. Ask about condition and prices (things are cheaper the more you want to buy). Thanks. Matt Markus Nikolai: Back attenuated perlon lushery Bionaut: Lush Life Electronica less lush, more bevel Nobukazu Takemura: Child and Magic japanese utopia Reinhard Voight: Premiere World like a prodigal washing machine Logical Progression chameleon track is _planetary_ Trelik, Volume 1 the definition of minimal groove Daft Punk: Homework um Mash the Place Up noise, noise, noise Artificial Intelligence textbook Gramm: Personal Rock best german diminished house '99 Goldie: Timeless um (part 2) Artificial Intelligence 2 2CD with all your heroes Black Dog: Temple of Transparent Balls rarity Six Nine: Sound of Music detroit monster classic F.X. Randomiz: Goflex cool cologne chaos Spacetime Continuum: Remit Recaps a firmament of stars U-Ziq: Lunatic Harness pop smash Polygon Window: Surfing on Sine Waves from when he made music Aphex Twin: Classics as the title says Blutisphon: Tammus baffle your friends Psyche/BFC: Elements 1989-1990 this is life-changing material Mr. Fingers: Classic Fingers 2CD part of the electronic canon Warp 10+1 Influences 2CD bleeping and blooping Pole: CD1 king tubby would be baffled Round 1-5: Main Street house anthems from the deutsch Bola: Soup it's a skam Various Artists: 8, 8.5, 9 Remixes pole, monolake, you want B12: Time Tourist the masters Crank: Heftibag amaze your grandmother Robert Hood: Internal Empire go deep Super Collider: Head On like a less talented prince Spacetime Continuum: Emit Ecaps awesome, very bdp/b12 Aphex Twin: I Care Because You Do another afx Richie Hawtin: Decks, EFX 909's powered by USER Dan Curtin: Deception nice, nice record Sensorama: Love classic, underappreciated intelligent tech Vangelis: Heaven and Hell plain out zany Monolake: Hong Kong reverb meets beeping Model 500: Classics or so they say Chicago House 3CD almost all the trax hits Best of House 4CD chicago and uk pure groove Fuse: Dimension Intrusion more from the canadian sensation Soul Center (first) thomas goes to funkland Modernist Explosion USA real strong from burger Morgan Geist: Driving Memoirs former list deacon morgan As One: Reflections monster classic, the old uk sages Ifach, Volume 1 one of my personal favorites Dr. Dooom: First Come, First Served walking in black sheets on the sunset streets 808 State: Newbuild beats the crap out of lfo in my estimation Gas: s/t where the echo began Plaid: Trainer all the hits Nobukazu Takemura CD's (2) for Issey Miyake confusing Tetsu Inoue: Ambiant Otaku the repress Kraftwerk: Man-Machine old staple Kevin Saunderson: Faces and Phases part of the 'trinity' The Orb: U.F.Orb why them goof on garvey?
12s FS (B12, Likemind, Buzz, and more)
Continuing my theme of closet-cleaning and selling things for somewhat less than I paid for them, here are a bunch of 12s. Ask about condition and pricing (things are cheaper the more you buy). YOU HAVE TO CONTACT ME AND SEND CASH ASAP if you are interested as I'm going back to school fairly soon. Thanks. Matt I forgot to mention in my last mailing if you have any Moodymann 12s, especially KDJ 1, 8, 11, and 20 (and the test pressings of 23 and 28), I would trade them for stuff on my list. KDJ 1 I would give $100+ in trade value for. I'd also really like a first pressing KDJ3. UR: Message to the Majors UR: #4 (black label) 2001: Space Age (B12 #02) Rhythmatic: Frequency (Network - great) Rhythmatic: Take Me Back (Network - great) Nexus 21: Self-Hypnosis (Network) Nexus 21: Still (Life Keeps Moving) (Network) Stacey Pullen: Black Flag (white label?) Ifach 12 Ifach 15 Mustang: Twilight (Visions - ala 2000 Black) UR: City of Fear Marshall Jefferson: The House Music Anthem (Trax) Virgo: Free Yourself (Trax) UR + Yolanda: UR001 UR: Eliminator Ifach 11 Dark Comedy: Clavia's North Monolake: Fragile/Static As One: B1203 B1205 (colored wax!) (Redcell) B1206 (colored wax!) (Musicology) Deepest Shade of Techno 1 B1210 (Cmetric) Daniel Bell: The Lost Traxx EP (Klang) Relics: A Transmat Compilation Reload: Phase 4 Plaid: Scoobs In Columbia (yes, for real) Deepest Shade of Techno 2 Actor's Pedantry (Ampoule - colored wax) Sterac: Osirion/Primus Deepart on Myoclon (both) Pub: Lunch (Ampoule - colored wax) Isolee: Beau Mot Plage (freeform reform) Virgo Four: Do You Know Who You Are? (Trax) Ian O'Brien: Heartstrings (Peacefrog) Connexion (Matrix) Future/Past: Hyperspace (RS) Ifach 13 (white label) Ifach 6 Ifach 7 Ifach 9 Ifach 10 Sierra Romeo (fwd) Isolee: I Owe You (Playhouse) Lo Soul: Watch Your Lift (Playhouse) UR + Yolanda: Living For the Night UR: Codebreaker Red Planet: Particle Shower Robert Hood: Moveable Parts 2 single 12 (M-Plant - RARE) UR: Nation 2 Nation UR: Galaxy 2 Galaxy Ifach 8 G-Man: Beautiful Accelerate: Rare and Unreleased CPen: Pirate's Life (very nice ) Wunder (Karaoke Kalk) Farben featuring the Dramatics Dan Bell: Ghetto Trax Ifach 14 Fade II Black: The Dilemma (Elypsia) UR: The Punisher (the best!!) Balil: Parasight (Rising High) Robert Hood: Minimal Nation (the classic on M-Plant) Likemind (all four) Vote Robot: Versions (beyond rare) Vote Robot: s/t (beyond rare) Quadrant (RS - this is Basic Channel!) BDP on Rising High (stuff not on Trainer, right?) Chris DeLuca: Unknown on MaS While on MaS Johannes Wohnseifer and Diverse Braunmusik: both 12s (these are classics) Electric Sheep: Locust Lunch on MaS Chris Gray: Deeper Level of Understanding Mundo Muzique: The Lost Archives 1989-1994 (Synewave) Oral-Olio (Ersatz Audio) Nieswandt Schaffhauser: Loom Service (Ware - house genius) Solovyev: Poprad (this is really a masterpiece) As One: The Art of Prophecy Super-A-Loof: Sky EP Series #1 (As One + Jamie O'Dell) F'ng: 2.09 on MaS Gescom: Keynell (original minus original sleeve) Arovane: Auben vor (amx)
Re: [313] They Love You In New York
KDJ9: U Can Dance If U Want 2 2x12 has Prince's influence all over it, methinks. As far as finding it, there were rumors of an imminent KDJ back catalog repressing. If these rumors are true, he'll hopefully do KDJ1, 2, 8, 9, and 11, which are particularly scarce, and do KDJ3 with the (awesome) B-side as well. Why this label isn't kept in print ala UR/Transmat is somewhat beyond me, considering the large demand and great material. On another note having never heard/seen the Moody Traxx EP (KDJ1), I'm wondering if anyone on this list can tell me the tracklisting for it, and if it is/isn't the same as Grassroots 005 (The Moody Mann EP). All you Europeans with this record dusting in your crates now have your chance to be of assistance. Matt
Oldham -VS- The Techno Laity
The caliber of a person's criticism will reveal whether or not (s)he has the cognition, erudition, and rhetoric to criticize Jeff Mills, or anyone else. Starting a subgenre of art and spawning an army of clones is not necessarily a substitute for critical ability. There is no one on this list (or anywhere) who warrants impunity from any sort of articulate, reasoned criticism. Anyone who can contradict this without pejorative braggadocio, the floor is yours. Matt
Top Ten 2000/1990's
Top Ten of 2000: 01. Moodymann: Forevernevermore CD (Peacefrog) 02. Theo Parrish: Parallel Dimensions CD (Sound Signature) 03. Andres: Material World 12 (KDJ) 04. Andres: s/t 2LP (KDJ) 05. Analog Live 12 (KDJ) 06. Theo Parrish: That Day 12 (Archive) 07. Theo Parrish: Parallel Dimensions 2x12 (Sound Signature) 08. Moodymann: Don't You Want My Love? 12 (Peacefrog) 09. Theo Parrish: Live In Detroit 1999 CDR (?) 10. Theo Parrish: Methods of Movement 2000 CDR (?) Top Ten of the Decade: 01. Moodymann: Forevernevermore CD (Peacefrog) 02. Derrick May: Innovator 2CD (Transmat) 03. The KLF: Chill Out CD (TVT/Wax Trax!) 04. Reload: A Collection of Short Stories CD (Infonet) 05. Theo Parrish: Parallel Dimensions CD (Sound Signature) 06. Carl Craig: Landcruising CD (Blanco Y Negro) 07. B12: Prelude Part 1 CD (B12) 08. Global Communication: 76:14 2CD (Dedicated (Japan)) 09. Jeff Mills: Live at the Liquid Room, Tokyo CD (React) 10. Basic Channel CD (BCP) Matt
UR and KDJ - What?
I was just about to try and book tickets for this, but I think I'm going to pass. My condolences to those who did and now have to wait and see. If it turns out they agreed to do this gig, then blew it off, I vote everyone on the list buy ten copies of the Sony Jaguar remix to support a company that delivers on promises. Matt
Re: Moodymann
Argh my more interesting mail didn't go through. Whatever. But I do need to ask: Does anyone know if the Moodymann feature in Jockey Slut is online? Thanks Matt
RE: [313] Two Moody Q's
Yeah - couldn't agree with you more that the instrumental version is superior. Must say, I'd like it even more if he took the keys out. It starts with that incredible dark, brooding beat, very different for him, then runs into the keys which seem a little out of place. But the vocals seemed very out of place. Oh well. Matt
Re: KDJ discography
Yes, the Soul City 12 is listed on the discog, under other releases. It is Soul Sounds #1 with Winter Breeze, Yesterdays, etc. etc. It's one of his best EPs (next to KDJ7, KDJ24 and KDJ25). Kenny's first EP was the Moody Mann EP done as Kenny Dixon Jr. featuring Norma Jean Bell that came out on New Jersey's Grassroots records, a label I have never heard of aside from this release (which is GR005). This, as far as I'm concerned, is about the rarest Detroit EP I've ever heard of. His next EP was the Moody Traxx EP on KDJ. That's KDJ1. KDJ1 and KDJ2 are records I've never seen for sale/trade. It's likely that I'll live another fifty years and go to my grave not hearing those at the rate of success I've had trying to find copies. I've heard there will be another round of KDJ repressings. Anyone who knows him, please feel free to pass along these suggestions: 1) No more one-sided repressings. 2) Do the pressings with the original tracks. 3) Repress the records that haven't ever been repressed (KDJ1, 2, and 9 especially). 4) Put some of the white label only tracks (KDJ19, 23, and 28 whites) on the repressings. 5) Repress the damn first Three Chairs already. BTW, anybody out there who wants to drop their KDJ28 white label on me, let me know. I'll trade just about anything in my non-KDJ/Theo collection. Matt
Two Moody Q's
1) Um saw a copy of Analog Live today: does everyone else's copy look like this one? The one I saw looked like a one-sided white label with only one track that had label art looking like a pasted on xerox. I'd tell you how it sounded, but the vinyl had all sorts of pockmarks and indentations, causing the stylus to bounce around like a lowrider. I heard the first white label for this had two tracks, so evidently things have changed. Please tell me there are copies out there that play without skipping and I just saw a mispressing. 2) Can anyone tell me the tracklisting on the old Black Sunday 12 that was the promo for Mahogany Brown? Does it have a track exclusive to the album, or is it just Black Sunday? I thought it had an exclusive, but then I heard it was one-sided (which wouldn't surprise me - what the heck is with Kenny and these one-sided records!) Thanks, Matt
Re: KDJ
Can anyone tell me why the catalog number I just saw for the new KDJ is KDJ28C? Does anyone have a different groove number? Also, any guesses as to why he didn't keep the B-side from the white label on the full release? What does that B sound like? Matt
RE: [313] Moodymann
Man, I can't wait to hear this track. There are a lot of people out there who, aside from Theo and KDJ, don't buy any new techno anymore. I'm one of them. I've saved so much money and heartache So, children, the moral of the story is, don't support crappy music, and your lives will be better. And you can also buy Gas' Pop, that's fine stuff. Matt
RE: [313] norma jean bell
Baddest Bitch was originally PAND1, with Moodymann's mix, which is of course the only version of this track you need. It then reappeared as F047, with Moody's mix, the original mix, and two mixes I doubt anyone else on this list cares about. Then came F 047R, which featured the Motorbass mix which lots of European DJ's got into (which was repressed on the F 100 CD.) If anybody has a PAND 1 they want to trade let me know, I don't like having any records on F Communications in my collection. On this note, does anyone have a Pandamonium discography? I know they're up to release 19 with the last Moody EP, but I only know of maybe ten or eleven of those releases. Matt
DEMF Track ID
What is that gorgeous track KDJ is playing in the late 40:00's (up until around 50:00). Hook seems to be You live your life or something. Praise God. This is beautiful. Matt
Warning: Stuart Hale
Warning: Please use caution dealing with Stuart Hale. I have yet to receive money from this person. He has not responded to public postings. He has not responded to recent mailings. He has owed me money since August. When will I learn? I send records before I receive money, and this is what I get. Matt
Re: [313] Jaguar in UK charts
For my money, the best thing about Jaguar is the cover. Looks like No Limit does Detroit. It's got those letters for Jaguar and everything. Too bad it doesn't come in a transparent red case with ads for more UR 12s in the booklet. Matt
KDJ Info
First of all, thanks to Stephen @ twoplayer, who has thus far managed to tolerate me, the KDJ label/Moodymann discography is up at: http://twoplayer.net/kdj And it is missing a couple remixes right now (spec. BP13, F 047, PAND 1, PAND 4), but otherwise is all I know about Mr. Dixon's records. Anyone who has info on whether or not there were white labels for 14, 16, and 25 (not a white label that just was 23/25 like the full release) or any 12s I might've missed, please give me a holler! Secondly, KDJ has a new 12 en route! KDJ 28 - one-sided - Analog Life. There were white labels handed out at shows called Analog Live b/w Rehersals 8/8/00: we can only hope the B-side is on as well (even if it sucks, because otherwise I'll be tracking down the stupid white label.) I haven't gotten Forevernevermore yet, I don't live in England, I have to wait. Is Tribute the full version of Tribute to the Soul We Lost (KDJ3)? Anyone figured out which tracks are in the medley? Winter Breeze, I hope. Does anyone know if Kenny has any other really old pre-KDJ 12s? I had never heard of the Grassroots 12 in seven years of techno collecting until about a month ago. Also, can anyone out there give me the info on KDJ 1 and KDJ 2's untitled tracks? Do any of them reappear on later releases? Is Moody Traxx the same EP as the Grassroots EP, just released by KDJ? Finally, I personally need KDJ 1, 2, 3 (first press), 8, 9, 11, 12, 13, 20, and Intangible 509 (the Emotional Content 12.) I have ART CD's and 12s, Likemind/B12 12s, Plaid's rarest, the Scoobs 12 (two mixes not on Trainer), and loads more to trade if anyone can offer me those records. Peace, Matt
Moodymann: Forevernevermore
Is this album available yet? Who has it, and can provide a tracklisting? Any analysis? Has Moodymann _finally_ put out a CD that shows what he is capable of and has all his good past tracks? I gotta know. I also found this tracklisting for the Japanese pressing of Forevernevermore on the Toy's Factory web page: 01. Meanwhile Back Home 02. Wednesday Night People 03. KDJ Logo 04. The Set Up 05. Don't You Want My Love 06. Your Sweet Lovin 07. The Thief 08. Tribute 09. Forevernevermore 10. (Unlisted tracks and melody) Can anyone contrast this to the UK Peacefrog pressing, or perhaps shed light on the unlisted tracks? So far as I can guess, The Set Up is from KDJ21, Tribute would be Tribute (To the Soul We Lost) from KDJ03, Forevernevermore the same from the 12, Don't You Want My Love the version from PF095-1, and I _hope_ The Thief is Ya Blessin' Me from that 12, NOT The Thief That Stole My Sad Days: I can't believe KDJ would put that track on over Ya Blessin' Me (heck, I can't believe he wouldn't put Ya Blessin' Me on the CD, that's his best track!) Glad to see Tribute, his best uptempo track, not happy to see The Set Up: was hoping he was moving away from that downtempo material that I did not like on his first two CD's. And no Shades of Jae, Joy Pt. II, I Feel Joy, Small Black Church, The Dancer, Amerika, Black Mahogany, The City, etc. etc. Could this be true? Matt
Re: Moodymann in NYC
Moodymann was passing out records? Oh no. Someone please supply a tracklisting and label # on this, unless it is the Peacefrog 095-1 promo (Don't You Want My Love b/w Me and My People's Eyes). I finally get the Grassroots 12 info, think the damn KDJ discography is done, and then Matt
Re: Discography Webspace
Almost finished up this KDJ discography anybody out there want to put it on their website? Figure it's a valuable resource, considering there is next to no information about this man on the Internet and his records barely exist. Also, can anyone supply the tracklisting for KDJ001 (Moody Trax)? Also, anyone who has scans of the labels of the 12s/discs (I have no scanner) is welcome to send them my way. Thanks, Matt
Re: (313) Let's Talk Techno (Responses, Act I)
Wow! 40+ responses. That made my day. To any artists out there, I don't mean disrespect, only stating my personal ideas about my favorite records. Don't mean to offend. Im on the clock, here are my defenses: Re: Herbie Hancock, Bob Marley, Parliament, etc. Jazz, reggae, soul. This is a specifically electronic list. Great artists, but in totally different genres. And, BTW, I think King Tubby has a lot more in common with modern electronics then Bob Marley, and not to start yet another debate, but I have gotten more from Yabby Yous 2CD retrospective than every other reggae/dub record Ive heard in my life put together (Congos, Burning Spear, Horace Andy, etc.) That might be my favorite record. Re: Juan Atkins I love Juan Atkins. I dont want to seem like Im disrespecting Juan Atkins, and Im probably the only person in the 313 world who thinks this, but I never cared for his music. He was a great influence on people to _MAKE_ electronic music: I dont think he, musically, had any influence on Derrick May, who is the man all techno producers probably concede started their careers. Derrick might not agree with me, but I hear no trace of Juan Atkins on Strings of Life or anything thereafter: Derrick was just so far ahead of the game. For me, Atkins Model 500 material sounds like the cover art to Classics looks. He doesnt have (for me) the emotional impact of his prominent predecessors (Kraftwerk, Giorgio Moroder, even Yellow Magic Orchestra), contemporaries (Afrika Bambaata), or followers (May, Craig, Banks, et al.) And Juans best record, I think, is The Infiniti Collection, but when you judge that record against what UR, Carl, Mark and Tom, B12, the Orb, et al. I dont think it is as strong. However, if this were a top 100 list, both Infiniti CDs would be on it, which means Juan is still in the top 1% of producers, but I dont think any of his CDs belong in my top 50. Juan has been a great mentor, a great ambassador, and most other things for techno, and deserves a great deal of admiration and praise for those accomplishments, but I think his music is not on the level of the artists I mentioned. Just my thoughts, I encourage everyone who hasnt heard Juan Atkins to buy his discs and make your own assessment: if you havent heard him, you are missing out on a very important piece in the techno puzzle, and I dont mean to question his historical importance nor the fact that he would/will be pre-requisite listening in any Techno 101 class. As my music teacher once said, it doesnt matter if _you_ like it. So check Juan out. Black Dog: Bytes I used to love this album. I still think many of the hooks are brilliant. However, I think every track on the album has the same structure: open with a great hook, go into a (to my ears) lukewarm middle section, end with the hook briefly again. Listening to this album recently, all I can hear are those middle sections, and its gotten to the point where I cant even listen to this anymore. Again, this is as important to be familiar with as Juan Atkins material (Ken, Ed, Andy dont be mad at me), but I dont think it stands the test of repeated listening. I could be wrong. If youre a DJ, you need this record, because the hooks work phenomenally in sets. All other 313 fans will probably still need to own this album. Me? Im jaded. I dont like this record anymore. Claude Young: DJ Kicks, Mills picks, and the high % of DJ records My feeling remains that techno is a DJ format, especially hard techno and tracks that arent gifted with much more than a slightly catchy hook. A good DJ can make a set out of mostly good, not stellar tracks Id never buy otherwise into something brilliant (in fact, almost all the DJ albums I have do this.) In fact, DJ mix albums are usually much more interesting because, lets face it, techno is repetetive, and if the groove isnt insanely good, who wants 5:00 of it? (KDJ is the only modern producer whose full tracks (his good ones, that is) dont seem long at 9:00, but in fact, not long enough (I listened to that Misled 12 like forty times the first day I got it.)) This is my problem, for example, with most of the Mills CDs. As a DJ, Jeff knows that concision (if thats not a word, it should be) is the key, and he displays this unbelievably well on Live at the Liquid Room, Tokyo which is one of the greatest records ever in techno (would make my top 5.) Most of the other DJ mix discs do a similar thing. The reason I dont include the other Mills discs is because: 1) I think Live at the Liquid Room, Tokyo sums up his material (and the rest of the hard techno scene) far better and 2) I think choosing not to cut down the tracks to approx. 2:30 or less in length on all his other discs hurts home listening. As for Claudes (isnt it 1100) DJF 1100 I saw a tracklisting on Sonys site, it looks pretty good, Ill try to get a hold of it. I still think his DJ Kicks volume will likely belong on the list, that is a
Re: Claude Young Japanese DJ Mix
In case anyone is interested, I found the tracklisting for Claude Young's DJF 1100 on the following webpage: http://www.sme.co.jp/Music/Info/SonyTechno/feature/9912/djf/r_info_bd.html As far as I can tell, the DJF is being billed as the successor to the famous Mix-Up series, DJF stands for DJ Friendship or maybe DJ Friendly, and previous volumes were Westbam (DJF 125), Carl Cox (DJF 250), Takkyu Ishino (DJF 400), and DJ Hell (DJF 750.) Matt
KDJ
Responses coming on my previous thread Meantime, does anyone know: 1) The tracklisting for KDJ's new CD. 2) When the KDJ label is going to get another mass repressing? For some reason I thought they did this annually. I still need far too many 12s. Matt
Let's Talk Techno
Heres something to spark some much needed critical analysis on this list: if you had to name the fifty best AND most important electronic CDs of the past 25-odd years, what would they be? Here are my picks. Ive been working on this for a while; believe me, I have considered most albums people are going to point out are absent. However, Id love to discuss why you think that record is important. And yes, I do know Juan Atkins, Kevin Saunderson, Black Dog, and some others are not on here, and I think I can defend my decisions. -- Aphex Twin: Selected Ambient Works, Volume 2 (Warp) Autechre: Chiastic Slide (Warp) Balil: Parasight (Rising High) Basic Channel (BCP/EFA) Biosphere: Substrata (All Saints) Boards of Canada: Music Has the Right to Children (Matador/Warp/Skam) Brian Eno: Ambient 1 - Music For Airports (EG) Brian Eno Harold Budd: Ambient 2 - The Plateaux of Mirrors (EG) B12: Electro-Soma (Warp/AI) B12: Prelude Part 1 (B12) Claude Young: DJ Kicks (Stud!o K7) Carl Craig: Landcruising (Blanco Y Negro) Derrick May: Innovator (Transmat) Derrick May: Mix-Up, Volume 5 (Sony Japan) Detroit Escalator Co.: Soundtrack [313] (Ferox) Dettinger: Intershop (Kompakt) DJ Rolando: The Aztec Mystic Mix (Underground Resistance) DJ Shadow: Endtroducing (MoWax) Fumiya Tanaka: I Am Not a DJ (Sony Japan) Fumiya Tanaka: Mix-Up, Volume 4 (Sony Japan) Future Sound of London: Lifeforms (Astralwerks) Gas: Pop (Mille Plateaux) Giorgio Moroder: From Here to Eternity (Repertoire) Global Communication: 76:14 (Dedicated) Harold Budd w/Brian Eno: The Pearl (EG) I-F: Mixed Up in the Hague, Volume 1 (Panama) Isolee: Rest (Playhouse) Jeff Mills: Live at the Liquid Room, Tokyo (React) John Beltran: Earth Nightfall (RS/Distance) Kraftwerk: Autobahn (EMI) Kraftwerk: Trans-Europe Express (Capitol) Kruder Dorfmeister: The KD Sessions (Stud!o K7) Monolake: Interstate (ml/i) Moodymann: A Silent Introduction (Planet E) Negativland: U2 (SST) Paperclip People: The Secret Tapes of Dr. Eich (Planet E) Pete Namlook: Air III (Instinct) Placid Angels: The Cry (Peacefrog) Plug: Drum n Bass For Papa (Nothing/Blue Planet) Reload: A Collection of Short Stories (Infonet) Sterac: The Secret Life of Machines (100% Pure) Tangerine Dream: Phaedra (Virgin) Tangerine Dream: Rubycon (Virgin) Terrence Parker: Tragedies of a Plastic Soul Junkie (Stud!o K7) Tetsu Inoue: World Receiver (Instinct) The KLF: Chill Out (TVT/Wax Trax) The Martian: LBK-6251876 (Red Planet) Theo Parrish: Sound Signature Sounds (Sound Signature) The Orbs Adventures Through the Ultraworld (Island) The Philosophy of Sound and Machine (A.R.T./Rephlex) Underground Resistance: Revolution For Change (Network) -- This list is _far_ from finished. I havent gotten these CDs yet, that will in all probability make it on and replace less potent discs: Dettinger: Oasis Thomas Brinkmann: Rosa Moodymann: Forevernevermore Jedi Knights retrospective So, of course, as good albums appear, I will update this, although new releases would have to be something else to break through with CDs of the above caliber. Also, I am not sure whether Drexciyas The Quest should be includedif anyone has a good argument either way, lets talk. It's been a while since I remember an intricate, articulate 313 debate. Matt
Thomas Brinkmann new CD
Hey there - Anyone have a tracklisting for the new Thomas Brinkmann: Rosa CD? I hear it compiles his Ernst material. I was really hoping he would do this as I stopped buying Ernst 12s (and most vinyl altogether) about halfway into the series. Also if anyone wants to add their opinion as to how well the CD reflects the best of the 12 series I'd like to hear that. Please tell me Karin 1 made it on. Also, does anyone have tracklistings for the upcoming Jedi Knights CD retrospective (hope it has some old EV/SYM stuff, don't you?) and the new Moodymann CD? Just like to add to KDJ that if what I heard is true and the CD will be a mixed collection (hopefully meaning lots of tracks clocking in at the 3:00 or less mark) I think that's a fantastic idea, as that not only gives the disc more tracks, but also only gives us the best part of the track. While we're at it, anyone have a clue as to tracklistings for either Live In Detroit 1999 or Methods of Movement 2000, or perhaps at least can reveal some of the soul tracks (particularly the ones that have the hooks live I'm your sandman, A thousand kisses from you is never enough, etc. etc.) Thanks all Matt
Re: OUTRAGE
What's particularly amazing about this (now the second time UR seems to be involved in sampling/covering issues with a major label) is the majors managed to find probably the techno producers most opposed to such practicesthe irony here is enormous. If nothing else, it should be consolation for Mad Mike to know that his tracks are so good that even cover versions and trance versions using his samples are making national charts. Yikes. I suppose the original Sonic Destroyer would be a bit too undiluted for mass consumption anyway. Matt
Another Month, Another Posting...
Is anyone else out there still waiting on items from Johanna Thomson? This person continually amazes me. I have never had to deal with anyone, in five years of Internet trading, remotely like this. It's getting to the point where all I can do is laugh. Anyway, if anyone out there knows how to get in touch with her, please get her to check her e-mail and contact me and any other people waiting on items from her. It's a shame that international record dealing makes you almost entirely dependent on the other person's whim to send things, as short of spending thousands of dollars and loads of time, there are almost no other alternatives. Matt
Mixed Up in the Hague Tracklisting
Wonder if anyone out there has a solid tracklisting for Mixed Up in the Hague? Basically just compiled this one through searching song lists on various websites (thanks All Music and Sonic Groove!) Anybody want to correct any of these if wrong and add anything else? I'm especially not certain the Patrick Cowley and Sunscreem attributions are correct (not familiar with either artist). Apologies to any miscredited artists. Thanks! Matt 01. EOG: Solid Liquid 02. Patrick Cowley: Primitive World 03. ??: World Invasion 04. Giorgio Moroder: The Chase 05. Man Parrish: Manmade 06. Newcleus: Space Is the Place 07. ??: Spacerwoman 08. Q: Voice of Q 09. Vangelis: Blade Runner (Endtitle) 10. ??: Robot Is Systematic 11. Alden Tyrell: Love Explosion 12. Kraftwerk: Tour De France 13. ??: Super Shuffle 14. Alexander Robotnik: Problemes d'Amour 15. ??: Take a Chance 16. Klein MBO: Dirty Talk 17. ??: Living Up 18. Doctor's Cat: Feel the Drive 19. Sunscreem: Catch 20. Electronome: Een Drumcomputer En Een Synthesizer III 21. Electronome: Influence 22. A Number of Names: Sharivari
Re: [313] Re: landcruising
In a message dated 8/14/00 1:11:23 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Definitely a 'complete' album from start to finish (as opposed to the _More Songs..._ kind of compilation of tracks). One of my favourite Carl Craig releases. The best Carl Craig release by a long shot, and the only true album to ever come out from one of Detroit's true Trinity of top producers (May, Craig, Banks). Seems to me Carl is coming up with an aural picture of a night drive's mental state. I used to listen to this album often cruising around at night, and he totally got it right. It's definitely the only CD Carl released that is strong start to finish that is not interspersed with various experiments or less emphatic tracks, in my opinion, and it also shows Carl taking a step beyond the dance floor: the 69 and Paperclip People aliases have lots of great tracks, but they don't often break out of dance/DJ mode. This release does, and constantly. It also shows Carl taking a step beyond Derrick MayI don't think it is quite as good as Innovator, but I think that unlike More Songs About Food and Revolutionary Art this album goes into territory Derrick May has yet to explore. It's one of a very small handful of techno albums out there that sounds like a full, coherent album, rather than a collection of likeminded tracks. Often times the track collections are better than albums, but it is nice to change it up from time to time. Anywaythis is one of the top five Detroit CD's, essential. Matt np: Yabby You - Jesus Dread (There are lots of King Tubby fans on this listcheck this)
techno/idm long sale list (rare/good stuff)
Techno Sale List: First off: please when you respond DONT send the whole list back to me, just what you want to get. Hithis list is the second-to-last list as I try to get my collection down below 200 12s and 200 CDs before I move. First off, as usual, I prefer trades. If you have ANY of the following records, please do not hesitate to offer them as a trade, I am definitely interested. I will also pay cash. Reload: The Biosphere EP 12 (EV 003) Global Communication: The Keongaku EP 12 (EV 004) Link: The First Link 12 (EV 005) Mystic Institute: The Cyberdon EP 12 (EV 006 NOT EV 006rps) Link: s/t 12 (SYM 001) Underground Resistance: Fury 12 (ORIGINAL UR018) Underground Resistance: Piranha 12 (ORIGINAL UR021) Relics: A Transmat Compilation CD (Buzz) - not the vinyl Also I am interested in any and all Moodymann/KDJ 12s, especially the ones on his own label (mostly the rare ones I dont have, ala 001, 002, etc. but I will take virtually any of them as I know people who want them). I would love to do a big trade for a large KDJ collection if anyones interested. Alright, onto what I have up for offer. Prices are not set in stone if you want to cut a deal on a nice sized order. I just really need to sell these records and make some space. First off I have the FOR TRADE records. Im going to put these on EBay if I cant trade them. They arent for sale at this time. Black Dog: Virtual 12 (BDP001) Black Dog: Age of Slack 12 (BDP002) Black Dog: Techno Playtime 12 (BDP003) Plaid: Scoobs In Columbia 12 (GPR - limited to 200?) Black Dog: Flux 12 (Rising High) Balil: Parasight 12 (Rising High) Black Dog: Temple of Transparent Balls CD (GPR) Black Dog: Parallel CD (GPR) Applied Rhythmic Technology CD (A.R.T.) Next I have the CDs for sale. PRICES DONT INCLUDE SHIPPING. You can have 5 $10 CDs for $40 as a package. You can have any ten $10 CDs for $75 as a package. You can have all (approx.) 43 CDs listed below for $350 including postage in the US (add $15 for international). Most of the CDs I havent really played, should be in good shape although I wont make specific condition claims unless you ask me to look at them (dont know much about condition grading). Best of House 4CD (some big label) $20 Chicago House 86-91 3CD (some big label) $20 Artificial Intelligence II 2CD (Warp licensed to TVT/Wax Trax!) $30 Mr. Fingers: Classic Fingers 2CD (La Casa) $30 Unexplained Phenomyna CD (A.R.T.) $30 Gramm: Personal Rock CD (Source) $10 Goldie: Timeless CD (some big label) $10 Artificial Intelligence CD (Warp) $10 Jamie Read: The End of the Beginning CD (Fragmented) $20 Remotion: The Global Communication Remix Album CD (Dedicated) $10 Mash the Place Up: An Ambush Records Compilation CD (Ambush) $10 Daft Punk: Homework CD (Virgin) $10 DJ Rolando: The Aztec Mystic Mix CD (UR) $10 LTJ Bukem presents Logical Progression 2CD (some big label) $10 Trelik Volume 1 CD (Trelik) $20 - Semprini Risin is one of my favorite tracks ever The Orb: U.F.Orb CD (some big label) $10 69: Sound of Music CD (RS) $15 True People: The Detroit Techno Album CD (React) $20 Robert Hood: Internal Empire CD (Tresor) $10 FUSE: Dimension Intrusion CD (Warp licensed to TVT/Wax Trax!) $10 Psyche/BFC: Elements 1989-1990 CD (Planet E) $10 Aphex Twin: I Care Because You Do CD (Warp licensed to some big label) $10 Spacetime Continuum: Emit Ecaps CD (Astralwerks) $10 F.X. Randomiz: Goflex CD (A-Musik) $10 Crank: Heftibag CD (Mille Plateaux) $10 B12: Time Tourist CD (Warp licensed to TVT/Wax Trax!) $10 Clicks and Cuts 2CD (Mille Plateaux) $15 Orbital: 2 CD (some big label) $10 Mu-ziq: Lunatic Harness CD (Astralwerks) $10 Polygon Window: Surfing on Sine Waves CD (Warp licensed to TVT/Wax Trax!) $10 Spacetime Continuum: Remit Recaps CD (Reflective) $10 Blutsiphon: Tammus CD (Gefriem) $10 The Aphex Twin: Classics CD (RS/Distance) $10 Super Collider: Head On CD (some big label) $10 Carl Craig: More Songs About Food and Revolutionary Art CD (Planet E) $10 Pole: CD1 CD (Matador) $10 O: Tulkinta CD (Sahko) $10 Bola: Soup CD (Skam) $10 - scratched, but original pressing (cheap!) Round One to Round Five CD (Main Street) $10 Various Artists: 8, 8.5, 9 Remixes CD (Fat Cat) $10 Warp 10+1 Influences 2CD (Matador) $10 Model 500: Classics CD (RS) $10 Dettinger: Intershop CD (Kompakt) $10 Here comes the (very long) vinyl list. They are all 3/$25 or 10/$75 not including shipping unless otherwise noted (and if otherwise noted, do not include shipping). I am willing to do a package deal for any 100 12s, or for any other large order. Note: most vinyl hasnt really been played, should be in good shape, but I cant make any specific claims unless you ask me to take a look. I doubt most of it has any problems. Nubian Mindz: Archive 003 12 (Archive) UR: Nation 2 Nation 12 $5 (UR) Lo Soul featuring Malte: Watch Your Lift (Club Mix) 12 (Playhouse) Isolee: Initiate 12 (Playhouse) Lo Soul: Synchro 12 (Playhouse) Nubian Mindz: 2000 Black 003
Theo Parrish discography
There was a website up on this - can someone repost the URL? Thanks to one and all who do Matt
need help on KDJ/Moodymann discog (long)
Since there doesn't seem to be a KDJ discography extant anywhere on the web, and I think one would be very useful, I'm trying to assemble one. I don't, however, have close to all his 12s. So I need some 313 experts to assist. What I have is below. Please correct any mistakes in track listings, catalog #'s, year of release dates, etc. and especially tell me any Moodymann releases I don't have. I haven't listed any remixes or compilation appearances yet. Do these KDJ label releases exist? KDJ 001 (is this Moody Trax?), KDJ 002, KDJ 011, KDJ 014, KDJ 016, KDJ 20 and KDJ 24. Thanks all for the help! Matt KDJ/Moodymann Discography v1.2 Note: KDJ is Moodymann’s label. It has a somewhat confusing # order AFAIK. I include releases on it NOT by KDJ himself (marked below) just so people are not further confused wondering if certain releases exist or if they are by KDJ himself. Moodymann: The Dancer 12” 01: The Dancer 02: Long Hot Sex Nights 03: The Dancer (DJ Tonka remix) After Midnight 004, 1997 re-release: UCA 067, 1999 Moodymann: Don’t Be Misled! 12” 01: Don’t Be Misled #1 02: Don’t Be Misled #2 03: untitled (Laidback Luke RMX) 04: untitled After Midnight 006, 1996 re-release: UCA 073, 2000 Moodymann: I Can’t Kick This Feelin’ 12” 01: I Can’t Kick This Feelin’ 02: Music People (Unreleased Mix) 03: I Can’t Kick This Feelin’ (Sensurreal RMX) 04: Music People After Midnight 008, 1997 Kenny Dixon Jr.: Emotional Content 12” 01: Don’t You Want My Love 02: tp’s Emotionally Deep RMX 03: Moodymann’s Mix Intangible 509, 1998 KDJ: Moody Trax 12” ?? exists ?? KDJ 001 (??), 1994 (??) KDJ: The Day We Lost 12” 01: The Day We Lost the Soul 02: Tribute (to the soul we lost) KDJ 003, 1997 (?) KDJ: Long Hot Sex Nights 12” 01: Long Hot Sex Nights 02: The Dancer KDJ 004, 1997 (?) KDJ: I Feel Joy 12” 01: Inspirations From a Small Black Church on the Eastside of Detroit 02: I Feel Joy 03: Lake Shore Drive (produced by Theo Parrish) KDJ 005, 1997 (?) Moodymann: I Can’t Kick This Feeling When It Hits 01: I Can’t Kick This Feeling When It Hits 02: Music People KDJ 006, 1997 (?) Moodymann: The City 12” 01: Don't Be Misled #1 (The Suburbs) 02: Don't Be Misled #2 (The City) 03: untitled KDJ 007, 1998 (?) “What Do You See” 12” (?) 01: Soul Edge: “Get On Up!!” (Theo’s Late Dub) KDJ 008, 1997 (?) If this is the only track I guess this is a Theo Parrish 12”? Just Anotha Nigga: U Can Dance If U Want 2 2x12” 01: untitled 02: untitled 03: untitled 04: untitled 05: untitled KDJ 009, 1996 In Loving Memory 12” (no tracklisting yet) KDJ 010, 1997 Moodymann: Joy Pt. II 12” 01: Joy Pt. II 02: Sunday Morning Answering Machine KDJ 012, 1997 KDJ: Trues 12” 01: Trues 02: Piece of Mind 03: And This Club Song KDJ 013, 1998 (?) Amerika 12” (no tracklisting yet) KDJ 015, 1997 (?) Kenny Dixon Jr: Black Mahogany 12” 01: untitled 02: untitled KDJ 017, 1997 Theo Parrish: Took Me All the Way Back 12” 01: Took Me All the Way Back KDJ 018, 1998 (?) Moodymann is apparently not involved in this production. Moodymann: ForeverNoMore one-sided 12” 01: ForeverNoMore KDJ 019, 1998 Moodymann: Shades of Jae 1 12” 01: ? 02: ? KDJ 021, 1999 (?) Moodymann: Shades of Jae 2 12” 01: Shades of Jae Part 2 02: The Set Up KDJ 021, 1999 (?) Same art as the first KDJ021, same everything seemingly except the music in the grooves. Ron Trent: The Godson, Part II 01: Deepest MM (Blaze Dub) 02: Urban Tribe Mix KDJ 022, 1999 (?) Moodymann is apparently not involved in this production. KDJ: Ya Blessin’ Me 12” 01: Ya Blessin’ Me 02: The Thief That Stole My Sad Days KDJ 023/025, 2000 (?) KDJ: Limited Edition one-sided 12” 01: untitled 02: untitled Moods Grooves 005, 2000 Moodymann: Music Is 12” 01: The Answering Machine 02: Over You 03: Dreams of Water Over You Music Is 001, 1997 Moodymann: Don’t You Want My Love 12” 01: Mix 1 02: Mix 2 Pandamonium 019, 2000 Moodymann: Just Anotha Black Sunday 12” 01: Just Anotha Black Sunday Morning With Grandma 02: untitled Peacefrog 073, 1998 Theo Parrish may be involved with this. Moodymann presents: Mahogany Brown 2x12”/CD 01: Radio 02: Sunshine 03: On the Run 04: M.E.A.N.D.N.J.B. 05: Me and My People (feat. Lord Imbran Ahmed) 06: Stoneodenjoe 07: Joy Pt. III (feat. Taj) 08: Black Sunday Peacefrog 074, 1998 Moodymann: Dem Young Sconies 12” 01: Dem Young Sconies 02: Bosconi Planet E 65233, 1997 Moodymann: Sunday Morning 12” 01: Sunday Morning 02: Track Four Planet E 65239, 1998 Moodymann: A Silent Introduction 2x12”/CD 01: Misled 02: I Can’t Kick This Feelin’ When It Hits 03: The Third Track 04: Oceans 05: Answer Machine 06: M Traxx 07: Music People 08: Sunday Morning
Re: [idm] Kraftwerk goes Calypso/Latin/Mambo/Cuban...
In a message dated 7/6/00 8:32:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Maybe i'm late on this one but the other day I was discovered the new Señor Coconut double-album called El baile Alemán and in love with it's cheese filled carib-latino cover beauty. For those who arent familiar with this release, it is an entire album of Calypso/Latino/Mambo/Cuban/Salsa re-interpretations of classic Kraftwerk tracks. Also there is a newer cd single with more Kraftwerk remakes. Time to mambo with the robots! I haven't checked my e-mail in a while, so maybe this thread has been developed more, but This album originally had a Japanese release, which had ten tracks, this domestic release appears to have the same track list. It is awesome stuff. There is also a 12 I was listening to yesterday on Multicolor of Tour De France that appeared to have five different versions of that track. Absolutely wonderful, maybe my favorite Atom Heart release yet, totally turns Kraftwerk in on its head: instead of eerie, detached, cold futurism we have soulful, Latin blood-pumping mambos and rumbas. Matt
Re: [313] Re: UR Vote
In a message dated 6/23/00 12:18:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: yeah, when i see an isolee record, i don't hesitate to listen to it. i've heard 'the rest' album several times now. i'm finally in love. first few times it just didn't do it for me. i'll probably pick up my copy tommorrow.-m For once I am not in agreement with people over a great album (usually my opinions are similar to what I hear on this listen): first time I heard Rest I was just amazed. Next ten or so listens still in awe. Not as awestruck now but this is probably the new full-length of 2000. Matt
Re: Detroit records
This is a nice thread. 1) The rarest record I own (of all records) is the Buka / Cicciolina split 7, which has to also be the coolest record I own. It's a split 7 between a Croatian noise/grind band doing odd rock music and a bootlegged side of Italian ex-porn star / member of government (?) Cicciolina performing Sexy Porno Star (disco) live with presumably the Buka guys talking dirty in some Balkan tongue over the recording they're making. The cover is _extremely_ vulgar. I guess there were something like 50 or less of these given out to friends of Dave / Psycho Mania records out of Scotland and friends of Buka. I also have a near complete Patareni discography (making me one of about a hundred people on Earth who know who the Patareni are and one of I think three outside of Croatia who have almost all their records.) 2) The rarest Detroit techno record I own is probably Plaid's Scoobs In Columbia 12 on GPR. I guess there are only 200 of those, very rare and very cool as well. The rarest truly awesome record I own is The Philosophy of Sound and Machine CD which is limited to something like 500 and is one of the biggest treasures in IDM/313. I also have all that old Detroit and Black Dog stuff that most other fanatics have but no crazy rare but crappy white labels. 3) Favorite record? Argh. Tough one. Favorite 12 is Underground Resistance's Punisher. Favorite CD is probably Innovator but the Martian, Depth Charge 1, Autobahn and 76:14 all come very close. Matt
Re: [313] Re: UR Vote
In a message dated 6/18/00 3:16:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Turntables do not cost a lot of money and it doesn't take hundreds of dollars to buy the UR vinyl. Go to www.submerge.com I put my vote in for W.P.A.Seawolf. I already have a turntable and all the UR vinyl. That's not my point. Each UR record costs approx. $5. Double packs are $10+. Fifty records = at least $250. Turntable (decent) = $200+. Good cartridge = $50. Not a feasible investment for someone wanting to check music, not to mention an unrealistic investment if one is not familiar with UR. Matt
Re: UR Vote
In a message dated 6/16/00 4:41:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: “Maybe but IMO, UR tracks are always tied quite heavily to the 12 release they appear on. You're not just buying UR tracks - you're buying the UR package - the Unknown Writer text, the run-off messages, and the music. Releases like _Galaxy 2 Galaxy_ are like albums in themselves - splitting individual tracks off onto compilations (whether CD or vinyl) might not be desireable. I appreciate that there are people who only buy and listen to CDs but its kind of like videogames - if you want to play Mario, you buy a Nintendo. You want to listen to UR, you buy a record deck.” Many people don’t have turntables. For many people it is simply not a feasible option. They cost a lot of money, usually require a sound system to set up, and are really only useful these days for fans of indie rock, old jazz and rock albums, and techno enthusiasts. For those who would not devote most of their disposable income to techno, CD’s are the best format. They usually have more select tracks and are much more cost effective for the amount of music one finds on them, not to mention being a much more versatile format (you can use your portable disc player, your computer disc drive, your stereo, the CD player in your car, etc.) and a much less exclusionary format by virtue of being widespread. When I play Derrick May for someone I can point them to “Innovator”. Basic Channel or Maurizio? There are two home listening oriented discs from those producers (and BC seem very opposed to CD's in general, I’d say more so than UR). Red Planet? Drexciya? Black Dog (and now Plaid with the much applauded “Trainer”)? As One? B12? Model 500/Infiniti? Kevin Saunderson? Moodymann? Theo Parrish? All these artists have somewhat readily available discs that provide a great overview for those who aren’t interested in twenty 12”s from a certain producer. In fact, every truly exceptional techno producer I think of now except Nuron has a CD out that at least shows a portion of their best material. UR’s best representation of its old 12” tracks was “Revolution For Change”. Rather than simply reissue that, I’m proposing a 2CD that contains all the great old tracks and some of the great post-1992 tracks UR has made, to provide a definitive source for casual UR enthusiasts or new UR fans not brave enough to commit hundreds of dollars to vinyl they’ve never heard. Bottom line? It doesn’t matter what I think. I’m not UR, I can’t make the call. Your opinions are as valid as mine. But I think your opinions are in direct opposition to UR’s message. After all, Mad Mike seems very big on the idea of music breaking down barriers and crossing boundaries: walls like race, nationality, birthdate, religion and language are all things UR are trying to break down to make their music universal. It seems to me with the many compilation appearances and the many CD’s featuring lots of old UR tracks that Mad Mike is also interested in breaking down the walls of what one’s home stereo contains and how much money one can afford to spend on music, and those are walls I think a 2CD retrospective of UR would smash. It would also smash the worst block of all: ignorance, in this case ignorance of some of the best music of the modern era, not because listeners chose to ignore it but because it might be inaccessible to them. I also believe UR’s tracks are not so limited that they only work in the context of one 12”. I think taking the very best of them and putting them together is a logical and crucial step. Mad Mike: please consider doing this sort of a release! After all, with Sony Germany covering “Jaguar” there is a huge audience that would love these UR tracks, the originals. Let’s have UR do it on a killer release that is top to bottom composed of killer tracks. Matt
Re: [313] Detroit comps
In a message dated 6/15/00 5:26:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don't forget Panic in Detroit on Buzz. Lots of stuff on Buzz. Speaking of summing up, here are the eight most recognized very out of print classic Detroit comps. They are available on vinyl as well. Comments below each. Techno: The New Dance Sound of Detroit 2CD, Ten/Virgin (UK) Rhythim Is Rhythim: It Is What It Is Blake Baxter: Forever and a Day Eddie “Flashin’” Fowlkes: Time to Express K.B. Experience: Electronic Dance Members of the House: Share This House A Tongue D Groove: Feel Surreal Spark: Mia Hesterley Juan: Techno Music Area 10: Love Take Me Over Reel By Real: Aftermath KGB: Stark MK: Mirror Mirror Octave One: I Believe Infiniti: Techno Por Favor Psyche: Elements Vice: Ritual A bit out dated at this point: about half the stuff seems to have lost its flavor and the other half are available on lots of retrospectives. I didn't really go for Techno 2 very much, perhaps because I've never been a fan of I Believe so I only really liked the Psyche track (the MK, Infiniti and Vice) are alright. The first comp has tons of stuff that's appeared on the Atkins, May, and Saunderson retrospectives. Anyone else think Big Fun doesn't sound quite the same these days? Embrace the Future CD, Buzz (Belgium) Destiny: Kaleidascope Random Noise Generation: Falling in Dub Vice: Mindmelt Never on Sunday: Memories of You The Disciples of Jovan Blade: Take Me Away Roots and Culture: Kuzalunga Octave One featuring Lisa Newberry: I Believe Eddie Flashin' Fowlkes: Liquid Disaster Never went for any of these guys productions. Panic In Detroit CD, Buzz (Belgium) Open House featuring John Beltran: Rainforest Prototype: The Path Serenna X: Yennek M500: Dimensions Eddie “Flashin’” Fowlkes: O.C.C. Lucky Charm: Double X-Posure Inertia: Satisfaction Eddie “Flashin’” Fowlkes: Pure Afro Sound Good comp: John Beltran is the man. The rest of the tracks are alright but this is not an essential comp. Relics CD, Buzz (Belgium) Long Ago: A Relic Interval I Rhythim Is Rhythim: Beyond the Dance Remix Interval II BFC: Evolution Interval III Long Long Ago: Another Relic Interval IV Model 500: Info World Psyche: Crackdown Remix Interval V Mayday: MS 6 Interval VI Rhythim Is Rhythim: The Dance Interval VII Suburban Knight: The Art of Stalking Interval VIII Longer Than Long Ago: A Relic Easily the best of the Buzz comps: I think most any Detroit producer other than Underground Resistance or the Martian (which might be Mad Mike again) has done nothing even approaching what Derrick May recorded (most of it over a decade old at this point). Equinox, the Beginning: Nite and Da CD, Buzz (Belgium) Urban Tribe: Covert Action Carl Craig with Sarah Gregory: As Time Goes By (Sitting Under a Tree) Never on Sunday: The Journey Carl Craig: No More Words Carl Craig: Suspiria Sarah Gregory: As Time Goes By (Sitting Under a Tree) Open House featuring Placid Angels: Aquatic Again a phenomenal track by John Beltran, but this track appears on Earth Nightfall. I'd say the other Carl Craig stuff sounds like very old, early experiments, none of the punch of say My Machines or the realization of Landcruising. Another decent record that isn't essential: what's really strange about this CD is they could've probably fit the four Retroactive 12s (minus the Sarah Gregory 12) onto one disc and yet they only put about a half hour of tracks on (and the best track from Retroactive, UR's, does not appear). Virtual Sex CD, Buzz (Belgium) Bango: Mystical Adventures Neuropolitique: Bananagate Stefan Robbers: Foreign Dimensions As One: Shambala Rhythim Is Rhythim: Icon Redcell: In Version Carl Craig: At Les Lark: Tedra Very good comp for the May, Craig and Redcell tracks. The other tracks are all good but I don't think in the same league as those three legendary producers. Both the May and Craig tracks reappear elsewhere making this comp not really worth the $50+ you can expect to pay for it. Bio Rhythm CD, Network (UK) Rhythmatic: Take Me Back Nexus 21: Self-Hypnosis Symbols and Instruments: Mood (Optimystic Mix) MK: Somebody New Kate B: Free C M Connection: Bio Rhythms Rhythim Is Rhythim: Emanon Neal Howard: Indulge Critical Rhythm: Fall Into a Trance Paris Grey: Don’t Lead Me (2001 Mix) Good, but too much UK stuff: the only UK producers from the pre-Warp era I really still like are Rhythmatic who make awesome, punchy reduced techno and to some extent MK. A Rhythmatic retrospective CD would be cool but I can only think of about five tracks by them so maybe not enough material. Bio Rhythm 2 CD, Network (UK) Rhythmatic: Frequency (Depth Mix) Fade 2 Black: The Calling Energize: Report to the Dance Floor (Electro Mix) Heychild: Heychild’s Theme Rhythim Is Rhythim: Drama Psyche: From Beyond Model 500: Info World Nexus 21: Together Xon: Dissonance Constant Ritual: Hard Ways to Come Suburban Knight: The Worlds C M Connection: Flutes Much better than the first
Re: [313] 'Trying to recreate something that's long gone'
In a message dated 6/15/00 7:30:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If Bukem namedrops old 313 records, is he just 'trying to prove he was down'? I think he _was_ down, played those tunes when they were released, then went on to create his own style. Tunes like 'Demon's Them' and 'Horizons' are serious landmarks in deep dance music. To dismiss them in terms of gear is like slagging Red Planet tunes for always using old Roland kit. Can you blame the originator of a powerful cliche for their clones? Even some tunes that I like - Maas' Juan is the Teacher f'rinstance, or Ian O'Brian's Mad Mike Disease - leave me wondering if they're helping or hurting the music with their fetishistic recreation of the sounds of Detroit c.a. 1989 or 1992. Anthony Rother is fun, but do we really need another person rehashing a blueprint that was drawn almost 20 years ago? So respect to those pushing the music forward. 99% of us on this list aren't from Detroit. Respect to the legacy of the past and the integrity of the present. After all, Juan Atkins didn't decide to make Motown remakes. That moment was long gone. This post is good, but I want to just cement the ideas expounded: the bottom line is that whatever the time, whatever the scene, there are always a couple producers who are simply much, much better than everyone else. Great producers are generally not satisfied with living in the shadow of others. Bukem (whose early stuff is too good to be associated with almost every other jungle record, save perhaps the Chameleon 12) is on point making that assessment. It's one thing for early material to show huge signs of influence before a producer discovers their valid individual ideas, it's another to show no signs of innovation or elevation and just make Strings Lite. Seems to me the producers working today who will look in five years as Nuron, B12 and Global Communication look compared to even BDP or As One today are Isolee, Brinkmann, Theo Parrish and KDJ, all of whom are (forgive this awful expression) adding an exciting new voice to techno's continuing discussion. Detroit, BTW, is not long gone (I think we can all agree on that). I'd rather listen to Red Planet or Innovator than almost anything else made in the electronic genre, up to and including today, because it still sounds fresh and energetic, not to mention tremendously deep. Heck, Autobahn is 26 years old, and that's still one of the best discs. Good art keeps working long after the scene is over and its mediocre practitioners have long since been forgotten or relegated to footnotes. A question for everyone, since we're speaking of Bukem. Looking at all his CD's, there are always phenomenal Bukem tracks that are surrounded by the work of his imitators. I hear people complain about the non-Bukem tracks on Logical Progression et al. I realize Bukem was supporting the scene and his friends, but is supporting your imitators worse than criticizing others for doing it, or is it justified on the grounds of trying to start a scene, a label, and getting your friends involved in an underground music alliance? Regardless, I think we'd all love a nice CD compiling Bukem's ten or so best tracks with no one else's material on it: that would be excellent. Matt
Re: [313] Trying....
In a message dated 6/16/00 12:03:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: at what point has the music of one scene become so copied that the original soul and unique spirit of those first pioneers become diluted with 1/2 arsed knock-offs and misguided interpretations? simply put, how long doest take for the bandwagon to run over the pioneers? This happens every time, in every scene, from political ideology to techno production. All artists and thinkers are not equal, there are some who are better and there are always those who will just exploit what's available. Matt
UR Vote
Curious to see what others think (as I've noticed often everybody seems to agree on what the best tracks are). Let's have some comments: what are the best five UR 12s? My picks (Must Owns): The Final Frontier 12 (UR003) After Sonic, which had one phenomenal track (Eye of the Storm) and three that don't quite match it, UR drops The Final Frontier, which goes two for three, with Base Camp Alpha 808 and The Final Frontier being two of their coolest very early tracks that still show lots of Detroit influence before the UR individual sound kicked in. The Punisher 12 (UR017) Easy pick: my favorite UR track and another track (Method of Force) that's almost as good. The best electro/techno anthem I've ever heard. Message to the Majors 12 (UR023) Another really good 12 that has only two songs (I'd rather have two awesome songs than two awesome songs and two filler tracks), two versions of the fantastic UR anti-corporate hard techno album. Massive. Galaxy 2 Galaxy 2x12 (UR025) I think anyone who's heard this will probably agree with me. Very much in the Red Planet style of super deep strings and emotionally saturated Roland overload. My my. Codebreaker 12 (UR038) Sign of a new direction for a mature UR: very interesting stuff that seems like UR's answer to Minimal Nation. The next question: with Revolution For Change out of print and Rolando's disc being more of a mix CD than a proper retrospective, don't we all agree a UR 2CD best of the 12s sort of thing is well warranted? This is maybe one of techno's best back catalogs, and with Drexciya making The Quest the time has come for more people to get exposure to the best UR tracks and for those of us who want to have a great record to recommend to friends rather than saying Get this 12 for this track, this 12 for this track, etc. I'd say this could be a good tracklisting: Eye of the Storm (UR002) Base Camp Alpha 808 (UR003) The Final Frontier (UR003) Beauty of Decay (UR004) (although maybe Adrenalin as well?) Riot (UR010) (maybe one more track from this) Sonic Destroyer (UR013.5) The Punisher (UR017) Method of Force (UR017) The Fury (UR018) (haven't heard the B-side Cyclone - as good?) Death Star (UR022) Message to the Majors A (UR023) Message to the Majors B (UR023) Ain't No Sunshine (The Sign) (UR024) Twista (The Dance) (UR024) Journey of the Dragons (UR025) Astral Apache [Star Stories] (UR025) (probably more as well, I love this record) The Final Frontier Part II (UR028) The Illuminator (UR033) Codebreaker A (UR038) First Galactic Baptist Church (UR042) Jaguar (UR049) I'm sure there are a couple tracks from the 12s I forgot that are as good, and I haven't heard any of the SID 12s too much, but I'd imagine a 2CD that had the best 20-25 UR tracks would be close to if not the best techno CD out there (next to Innovator and the Red Planet disc). Matt
Re: [313] Detroit comps
In a message dated 6/16/00 7:43:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For some reason also, no one's cared to mentioned the Depth Charge 1-3 comps on Submerge, basically detailing the history of music by UR, Acid Rain, Red Planet, Octave One, Andre Holland etc etc Want to second this recommendation, at least for Depth Charge 1 which is an almost perfect compilation with some of the best UR/Martian material plus a scorcher from Ghetto Tech. 2, 3, and 4 are less consistent but 1 is an absolute powerhouse. Matt
Re: [313] UR Vote
In a message dated 6/16/00 9:19:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: SID is more than worth it... The green one w/yellow lettering is by far one of the most aggressive tracks (SID 005?) in that cat. Check it out if you can even get near one. Last I heard, they didn't press many at all. Anyone have a list of the SID records? There are seven AFAIK but there might be more. The only one I'm familiar with is the Drexciya (which might be 5, come to think) as both the tracks appear elsewhere. Matt
Re: [313] Monetary value of record
In a message dated 6/15/00 12:10:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Good question. Can anyone with an informed answer please reply to the list? I got $50 in trade for the first two Techno! comps (originals) put together, which is like 30% of what I got for Hangable Auto Bulb 2: I guess 313 rarities don't attract the suburban mom's wallet crowd. Matt
Re: [313] LifeLike
In a message dated 6/10/00 8:54:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, yes. You finally get the full version of Detached - worth it alone. It's more reflective, abstract material. Very beautiful to my ears, anyway. And then there's the sleeve notes - Mills talking to a psychologist. As a concept it's very interesting. I didn't think Lifelike was the best Mills I've ever heard. At the rest of sounding like a horrendous traditionalist that old UR/X-10_ material still gets me every time while most of his new material seems too scattered with not enough punch. Matt np: Isolee - Rest (Playhouse) Phenomenal full-length from Isolee! If only Villalobos would put out a CD we'd have a tech-house digital revolution.
Re: Archive
I picked up everything on Archive from Rush Hour. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thought 4.1-4.3 were maybe the most interesting. I got some 2000 Black there as well. Got some more 2000 Black and some 2000 Black/Archive related from Hardwax ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) So I'm sure if you look to Europe you'll find it. My take is this is some very interesting stuff. I hope I can get more of the 2000 Black and review all of it at once. Definitely check out the Seiji 12 on Bitta Sweet. Excellent. Matt
Very Long Sale List (Black Dog, 69, etc.)
DON'T HIT REPLY ALL TO THIS MESSAGE PLEASE RESPOND DIRECTLY TO ME ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Hey, another sale! I’ve gotten very favorable responses in my last few sales from people trying out stuff they haven’t heard beforetrust me folks, I don’t buy crap records, I don’t sell crap records. I have to sell this stuff as I am trying to get more cash for my car, so sadly a lot of really great stuff has to go. Enquire about pricing, deals made, I want to trade as well (see my wants list at the bottom), get in touch quickly. This is probably by far the best sale I’ve done yet, all quality. Also if you are interested in getting all 50 CD’s as a package at about 2/3 of the cost, or all 50+ pieces of vinyl at about 3/4 of the cost, let me know. Thanks for reading! Matt CD’s for sale: B12: Time Tourist CD (Warp) great, classic AI/ART styled album The Modernist: Opportunity Knox CD (Harvest) one of the best Cologne techno albums ever Innerzone Orchestra: Programmed CD (Astralwerks) visionary album from Carl Craig Michael Fakesch: Marion CD (MaS) one of the champions of the Autechre school Kohn: Kohn2 CD (Kraak3) one of the best abstract albums of 1999, got stellar reviews Bola: Soup CD (Skam) original pressing, CD is a bit scratched but seems to play fine Elements of Light CD (21/22 Corp.) classic Dan Curtain styled techno, limited, great package Various Artists: 8, 8.5, 9 Remixes CD (Fat Cat) one of the IDM-list’s favorite releases The Vision: Waveform Transmissions Volume 2 CD (Tresor) Robert Hood is the man Crank: Heftibag CD (Mille Plateaux) another critical delight from Danny Z. aka Low-Res of PlugR Burger/Ink: Las Vegas CD (Matador) one of my favorite Cologne releases Jedi Knights: New School Science CD (Clear) it’s Mark and Tom! the best producers in IDM! Spacetime Continuum: Remit Recaps CD (Reflective) great remixes OST, Carl Craig, etc. Wishmountain: Is Dead CD (Antiphon) fantastic experimental stuff from M. Herbert Shuttle 358: optimal.lp CD (12K) probably the best ambient record not on FAX in the last years Blutisphon: Tammus CD (Gefriem) like the latest Mouse on Mars album but better! B. Fleischmann: Music For Poploops CD (Morr Music/Chariszma (sp?)) instant classic The Aphex Twin: Classics CD (Distance and RS too I think) RDJ, your hero! Neuropolitique: Are You Now or Have You Ever Been? CD (New Electronica) Detroit/UK 313 F.X. Randomiz: Goflex CD (A-Musik) one of the best post-Skam wacky IDM albums Felix Kubin: Filmmusik CD (A-Musik) ask the Diskono guys how much they like this Miki Yui: Small Sounds CD (BMB Labs) minimalist monster classic see 1/Tau Gain Structure CD (Top Score) great US Carpark/Schematic-ish IDM, Casino -VS- Japan! Spacetime Continuum with Terence McKenna: Alien Dreamtime CD (Astralwerks) great Super Collider: Head On CD (Loaded/Medicine Label) if Prince was IDM, just awesome Dopplereffekt: Gesamtkunstwerk CD (Gigolo) pornographic Kraftwerk style from Drexciya? Round One to Round Five: 1993-1999 CD (Main Street) Basic Channel does house so darn well Model 500: Sonic Sunset CD (RS) often described as Juan’s masterpiece Autechre: Incunabula CD (Warp) how can you miss with this? old AE is just fantastic As One: Celestial Soul CD (New Electronica) fantastic album from Kirk, ART-styled monster Black Dog: Temple of Transparent Balls CD (GPR) WHOA, yes, you need this Pole: 2 CD (Matador) one of the best and most innovative releases since “Strings of Life” Trelik, Volume 1 CD (Trelik) incredible and I mean incredible BC/Gramm style from Baby Ford Robert Hood: Internal Empire CD (Tresor) maybe the best minimal album ever Experimenta CD (A13) awesome stuff from Stasis, Terrace, Plaid (as Tura), etc. wow! Model 500: Deep Space CD (RS) just a truly classic album from Juan Autechre: Chiastic Slide CD (Warp) one of the most convincing experiments ever Boards of Canada: Music Has the Right to Children CD (Warp) the quintessential IDM album Artificial Intelligence CD (Warp) the compilation that started it all Artificial Intelligence II 2CD (Warp/TVT) super limited press! Bola, Link, Balil, Kenny Larkin, etc.! Jochem Paap: Vrs-Mbnt-Pcs 9598 I CD (FAX) most acclaimed ambient record of 1999 Jochem Paap: Vrs-Mbnt-Pcs 9598 II CD (FAX) see the above, just stellar Drexciya: Neptune’s Lair CD (Tresor) one of Detroit’s all-time best is back, fantastic Pole: CD 1 CD (Matador) redefining the capabilities and direction of dub, tremendous Rhythm and Sound w/Tikiman: Showcase CD (Burial Mix) scratched but seems fine Black Dog: Parallel CD (GPR) 2.5 classic EP’s on one CD, EBay staple, incredible music Carl Craig: Landcruising CD (Blanco Y Negro?) great rare “soundtrack”? album? by Carl Craig Dark Comedy: Seven Days CD (Art of Dance/Elypsia) full-length from powerhouse Kenny Larkin Equinox, the Beginning, Nite Da: A Retroactive Compilation CD (Buzz) oh.my.goodness True People: The Detroit Techno Album 2CD (React) double CD incredible comp all of Detroit Now for the vinyl.
Re: (idm) Re: (313) NY Times Electronic Article
In a message dated 3/22/00 11:58:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not to mention, with all due respect to Mr.Hawtin, there are OTHER detroit techno artists besides the said 4 and him...coughAlanOldham...and others that its about time people learned about. I think that people on this list are always going to complain when somebody like the NY Times does an article because there's no way they're going to get it right and we should be happy that they're talking about half decent electronic music at allBUT this brings up the fine topic of why Mr. Hawtin is mentioned as the pioneer. Not to take away from Mr. Hawtin, but is it perhaps because he's white? After all, every other Detroit artist of note from that period is black. Atkins, May, Saunderson, Larkin, Banks, Craig, Mills, Hood, Deason, Baxter, Oldham, etc. etc. I like some of the old FUSE and Plus 8 stuff myself, but, you know, wouldn't Carl Craig or Mad Mike be a more appropriate choice? They seem to epitomize the Detroit sound both then and now and were originators, innovators and elevators throughout the past dozen years. Richie Hawtin started a couple years after these guys, wasn't as directly involved in the scene and as far as I can gather from this far away wasn't even liked by some of the people in Detroit, and most of his best early stuff as FUSE et al. seems indebted to Underground Resistance, Metroplex, Chicago acid, etc. That doesn't mean it is bad or his accomplishments should be doubted, but it does seem a stretch to call him a pioneerrather call him a skilled producer with good taste. Matt np: Psyche - Evolution (yeah buddy!)
(313) Lunar?
Has anyone heard a new 12 from an artist called Lunar on the Stripe label out of the UK? I heard it compared to Red Planet. If true, that would be some good. Peace, Matt
Re: (313) Ben Sims kicks ass???
In a message dated 3/9/00 2:40:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Saying Detroit is finished with techno makes no sense to me. SORRY I asked you to elaborate...it seems like a pretty big generalization and I think Jaguar is a great release for Rolando with many more to come from the city of Detroit by people like Dan Bell, Ritchie Hawtin, Anthony Shakir, The Planet-E crew, the Transmat Crew, Wild Planet...the list goes on and they have all been producing good music. I think what Alan is getting at is that the Detroit techno scene has stagnated, nobody is innovating anymore and there hasn't been a release in the past five years that stands up that well to the classic stuff done a long time ago, and also that most of the pre-eminent Detroit producers and musicians have moved past the early pure techno sound to a more hybridized thing (see Innerzone Orchestra, Model 500, etc.) You are right in your assertion that people are still making old school techno music in Detroit, but I think Alan is equally right in his that it is just more of the same. And compare current Transmat releases to old ones, compare Wild Planet, Shake, Hawtin, any modern Octave One or 430 West, etc. to Strings of Life, Night Drive, I Believe, Neurotic Behavior, any Red Planet or Galaxy 2 Galaxy, Minimal Nation, Just Another Chance, etc. It's not that people aren't making good music these days but it seems the music hasn't advanced like it did back when. I don't want to slight current producers, but I suppose I am. Also I would venture a guess that Alan notices the difference in quality and innovation much more than the rest of us, who were not fortunate enough to be intimately involved in the early days of the Detroit electronic revolution. I can only comment based on the records I hear, but people like Alan can comment based on the general vibe of the city and the musicians as well. Matt
(313) Even Longer Sale List
My last sale list was a smashing success, so I’ve decided to go for an encore performance. This time I’m mostly getting rid of stuff I got recently that I liked, but I think I have too much music to give it the attention it deserves. The rules: 1) Trades offered off my want list get credit equal to the $ amount listed. 2) I don’t respond to people offering to buy until trade offers are done. 3) I don’t want CDR’s. 4) Things not on my want list should be in a similar musical style. No guarantees. 5) You send first. People can vouch for me from the last time around. 6) CD’s are all $10 firm. 7) Vinyl is usually $7.50, but some rarer/more desirable things are more (ask). 8) I’m willing to describe what 12”s sound like if I have to (I wrote brief descriptions for each CD) but on both CD’s and 12”s I can’t be responsible if you still don’t like it or don’t agree with what I said. Check catalogs or websites for info if you’re unsure. 9) Please offer things off my trade list. I like good music. Tiebreakers: 1) For trades, items that are for me, not my friends (most things $40+). 2) For sales, people who want to order more stuff. Thanks, Peace, Matt CD’s Elements of Light - limited to 999, label retrospective of Dan Curtinish punchy techo, very good Gain Structure - from Top Score, more of that new IDM from America people seem to love Bola: Soup - CD is scratched up but plays fine. first pressing, very hip. Kohn: Kohn 2 - very cool distorted, oddball “ambience” from K-raa-k, actually pulls it off Norken: Soul Static Bureau - nice home listening excursion from Mr. Metamatics Gustavo Lamas: Celeste - excellent Cologne-styled ambient tech from Argentina Plug Research and Development - awesome comp of this California label, out of print (?) Isan: Beautronics - debut full-length, their best, beautiful meandering analog stuff The Frugivore - the most home-listening and friendly record Jorg Burger ever made Gas: Konigsforst - huge cosmic ambience with walls of drone around kick drums from Mike Ink Elektronische Musik Aus Buenos Aires - very strong ambient techno from Argentina Thug: Isolated Rhythm Chock - stellar Black Dog-styled jazzy, aesthetic 313 Crank: Heftibag - lots of praise on the lists, dark yet mature full-length from Low Res Burger/Ink: Las Vegas - killer super deep collab between Ink and the Bionaut Autechre: Incunabula - their debut, a legendary ambient, aesthetic Artificial Intelligence piece The Aphex Twin: Classics - just what it says! Boulderdash: We Never Went to Koxut Island - huge jazzy, downtempo, lovely album Swayzak: Snowboarding in Argentina - set to be big, debut from BC/Theorem-styled Canadians Theo Parrish: First Floor - great one on the famous Peacefrog label, lots of funk and soul VINYL: Paul W. Teebrooke: Thing 1 - on Otherworld! super-rare/collectible Stasis piece Phenomyna: Scratch b/w Everlast - see above The Ted Howler Rhythm Combo Performs the Crusader - see above Plug Research Mini-Comp 1 Plug Research Mini-Comp 2 Plaid: Peel Sessions (Warp) Tom Jenkinson / Dunderhead split 12” (Worm Interface) first four Process label 12”s (Process UK) - these are excellent Sensurreal 12” (Op-ART) Photek 12” (Op-ART) Autocreation 12” (Op-ART) Solovyev: Poprad LP (Oni-Tor) - my pick for best on this list Gescom: Keynell 12” (Skam) first pressing if you care about that Total Science: Sands of Time (Void) - Void 003, very old, rare, awesome Stasis: History of the Future (Mo’Wax Excursions) Perlondon: Windowshopping (Perlon) Submania -VS- Ekmoah 2x12” (Background) Polmo Polpo / Cog split 12” (Audi Sensa) - one of Lance’s tops of 1999 with good reason Chris De Luca: Unknown 12” (Musik Aus Strom) While: Seek 12” (Musik Aus Strom) Funkstorung: Break ART 12” (MaS 2.09) Wunder: s/t (Karaoke Kalk) Influx 12” (Isophlux) - awesome stuff from James Bernard Oral-Olio 12” (Ersatz Audio 008) Adult: Entertainment (Ersatz Audio) - you need this Bochum Welt: Program 11 (Elypsia) Funckarma: Part 1 12” and Part 2 12” (DUB) Tom Churchill: Project One 2x12” (DIY) - awesome tech-house, great one from Tom both Funkstorungs on Compost Hermann and Kleine: Transalpin 12” (City Centre Offices) Guineo: Tosstones 12” (Chocolate Industries) - the only good release ever on CI, IMHO The Bionaut: Everybody’s Kissing Everyone 12” (Blue) - likeable classic first two 7”s on City Centre Offices (Arovane and Fizzarum) Pimmon 7” on Static Caravan Isan: a 7” on Static Caravan (I think it’s Damil 85 but verify with me) and the 7” on Elefant WANTS: B1215 and B1216 white label 12”s (like anybody has these) $100/each Panic In Detroit CD (Buzz) $80 - I’ll take the vinyl if I have to Relics: A Transmat Compilation CD (Buzz) $80 - not the vinyl Link: s/t 12” (Symbiotic) $80 The Auto Reload EP 12” (Evolution 002) $60 The Keongaku EP 12” (Evolution 004) $60 The First Link EP 12” (Evolution 005) $60 Wookie: s/t 12” (Tenth Planet) $50 Virtual Sex CD (Buzz) $50 - not the vinyl Bio Rhythm CD (Network)
(313) Re: 100% Pure
Want to add on to what everyone is saying about 100% Pure - not an expert on Lowlands techno but I like a lot of their stuff as well as Eevolute/Stefan Robbers/Wladimir/et al. If any label needs to reissue some early EP's - they should. Anyway. While we're talking about them I wanted to ask about the My Life In the Bush and Babies From Gong EP's. Who is responsible for the production / how do these sound? Not familiar with them at all. Peace, Matt
(313) Re: Formats
Were any of these released on CD? Bio Rhythm Bio Rhythm 2 RetroTechno All on Network (UK). I think I remember hearing about CD versions but I haven't seen them. Anybody want to swap their CD's for my vinyl copies? Thanks, Matt
(313) Buzz
Anybody out there have a tracklisting for any of these compilations on the Buzz label? Sublunar Oracles The Atmosphere Compilation Embrace the Future I was just looking at a Buzz discography and realized I had no clue what these comps contained. Thanks, Matt
(313) Re: (idm) Re: kit clayton :: moles * avocadoes :: [background]
Have to respectfully disagree with Lance on his assessment of the Submania Vs. Ekmoah 2x12, which for me sounds like minimalism without the selectivity or the driving pulse. It just sounds like a couple of electronic clacks given a kick. I think that in this style of music it is a very fine line, and I can't always discern exactly why some things are too minimal and others not (for example I love the first three SND releases but I hated the Blir and the Shirt Trax output). But whatever it is, Submania has it. Haven't heard Todd Sines, but if it sounds like DB-X that's a very good thing (DB-X being some of the best minimal techno, in my ears). Matt
Re: (313) john Beltran
In a message dated 2/23/00 1:34:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: could anybody give this beltran novice a bit of a career overview or perhaps point me to some decent interviews or a discog online? i dig the new indio album. brian John Beltran is a small-town Michigan producer who first appeared with Open House on a 12 for Carl Craig's legendary Retroactive imprint in 1991. He did two more 12s with Open House before falling off the radar for a few years before reappearing with the stunning Earth Nightfall full-length on RS. He then released the equally amazing Ten Days of Blue full-length on Peacefrog and under the guise Placid Angels (which sums up his sound quite well) released one of the most acclaimed aesthetic deep tech-house full-lengths ever, The Cry also on Peacefrog. He then began to branch out in much the same way as Carl Craig or Kirk Detroitio did (towards jazz and fusion) with the Moving Through Here disc on RS and also on the Indio disc on the Transmat label. Much like the response to both Planetary Folklore and Programmed the hardcore fans (like me) of Beltran's early sound generally appreciated the new releases but found they lacked the emotional depth and the consistency of his earlier stuff. If you like Indio (not a bad record) I'll venture a guess that any of his first three albums will just blow you out of the water, especially The Cry which at one point I had on tape in my car and listened to (no other full albums) for about six months in a row. There is a really good Beltran bio at the RS site (much better than most of the rest of their bios). Matt
(313) FT: Objets d'A.R.T. 4LP (if that doesn't interest you, delete this message!)
Last chance before I put this on EBay. The infamous 4LP featuring four of the best techno 12s ever. Sorry for the cross-post. Anybody offering any of the following: it's a deal. I'll also buy any of the following. P.S. please don't offer vinyl on any of the CD's. I already have the vinyl. Thanks. Panic In Detroit CD (Buzz) The Equinox, Chapter One 12 featuring The Climax (Retroactive) Virtual Sex CD (Buzz) Applied Rhythmic Technology / Esoterik CD (A.R.T.) or multiples off this list: Link 12 (Symbiotic) Reload: Autoreload EP 12 (Evolution (02)) John Beltran: Ten Days of Blue CD (Peacefrog) Techno 1 2 2CD (Ten/Virgin) Detroit Escalator Company: Soundtrack 313 CD (Ferox) Stasis: Disco 4000 12 (Time Is Right) Drexciya: UR S.I.D. 12 (UR S.I.D.) Sublunar Oracles CD (Buzz) Thanks, Matt
(313) FS: Techno! 1+2 compilations, A.R.T. material
Hey everybody - Only time I'll post this. The following are up for auction: Objets d'A.R.T. (New Electronica) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=267384032 Techno: The New Dance Sound of Detroit (Ten/Virgin) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=267389243 Techno 2: The Next Generation (Ten/Virgin) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=267392153 Unexplained Phenomyna (A.R.T.) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=267394762 Thanks for any interest. Matt
Re: (313) Transmat Relics Compilation
In a message dated 2/18/00 4:58:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A Relic/ Long Ago Beyond the Dance Re-mix/ Rhythm is Rhythm Evolution/ BFC Another Relic/ Long Long Ago Info World/ Model 500 Crackdown Re-mix/ Psyche MS 6/ Mayday The Dance/ Rhythm is Rhythm The Art of Stalking/ Suburban Knight A Relic/ Linger than Long Ago There are also eight interludes in between in somewhat the style of the interludes on the Innovator CD on Sony Japan. This comp is an absolutely fabulous document of the emotional string-driven sound that Derrick May and his (then) protege Carl Craig were really pioneering. The Equinox, The Beginning comp (also on Buzz) which covers some of Craig's likeminded material on Retroactive and the BFC/Psyche: Assorted Pieces 1989-1990 CD on Planet E is likewise essential. Some of the best music ever, hands down. Matt np: B12 - Soundtrack of Space best atmospheric track ever?
(313) Warning: Big Tradelist (yikes)
Feburary Monthly Cleaning: All CD's are $10, all vinyl is $7.50. Big orders get a discount. The Things I Want list at the bottom is trade stuff I'm after and I'll give credit equal to the $ amount listed towards my stuff above or I'll probably just buy (or a combination). Things marked with an asterik are for me (not for friends or trades) and carry a little more weight. Also I have copies of the Objets d'A.R.T. 4LP and the first two Techno comps on Ten/Virgin (both on vinyl) for trade as people offering things for them appear to have flaked. _CD_: Scanner: Lauwarm Instrumentals (in weird promo case) Spacetime Continuum with Terrance McKenna: Alien Dreamtime Hrvatski: Oiseaux 96-98 Autechre: Cichlisuite Cathars: amorpheus Novisad: s/t Wabi Sabi: s/t The Modernist: Opportunity Knox Phase 6: Sunshine Air Liquide: The Increased Difficulty of Concentration F.X. Randomiz: Goflex Holosud: Finjewas Afpompen (hopp I spelt thatt write) Sator Rotas: s/t Schlammpeitziger: Spacerokk. (blah blah blah blah long long long title) Super Collider: Head On [EMAIL PROTECTED]: s/t Kit Clayton: Repetition and Nonsense Kit Clayton: Nek Sanalet French Paddleboat: Conversions in Metric Squarepusher: Hard Normal Daddy The Remote Viewer: s/t Plastikman: Artifakts (bc) Plastikman: Consumed Pluramon: Render Bandits Lithops: Umi Umit Luke Slater’s 7th Plain: Four Cornered Room Solvent: Solvently One Listens Felix Kubin: Filmmusik Phase 6: Sunshine .aiff Emanated Quench: A Journey Into Electronix Fennesz: Plus Forty Seven Degrees 56’ 37” Don’t Dolby: 05 Lilienthal: Castor Pollux If.Then.Else: Realizations Isan: Salamander Miki Yui: Small Sounds Miki Vainio: Ydin Beaumont Hannant: Tastes and Textures, Volume 2 Aspen: Are You That Retail Snob? Aspen: Album Alog: Red Shift Swing Amorphous Androgynous: Tales of Ephidrina Lali Puna: Tridecoder _VINYL_: Counterattack: We Can Elude Control (7” - ultra limited, A-side is killer Detroit melodic groover) Schlammpeitziger (new 7” on A-Musik) Terre Thaemlitz: A-Muzak 7” Jega / Capitol K split 7” (limited to 200 copies!) Sybarite: Meusix 7” (limited to 500 copies!) Lithops: Blasmusik 7” (limited to 695 copies!) Gamers In Exile 7” (limited to 200 copies! Gimmik-esque) Arcade Audio Assault System 7” (limited to 200 copies! excellent melodic UK techno) Multicast: Laura 10” (with Iron Feather Journal #17) Multicast: s/t (on Obliq! #d out of 500!) Num Num: Unknown Sources 10” (limited to 500 on Toytronic! for Skamophiles!) Aemic: Beta 10” picture disc Frederik Schikowski: Mein Kleines Pony 10” (really just a cool record on Lux Nigra) Tom Jenkinson: Bubble and Squeak Aphex Twin: Windowlicker F.X. Randomiz: Stack Electric Sheep: Locust Lunch Aemic: Aleph Funkstorung: Ozcillator Global Communication: The Groove Global Communication: Deep Dish Gescom VS Ad Vanz / Foehn split EOG: Hassle (on Djak-Up-Bitch!) Nothingface (very limited on Eat Raw!) Freescha: Attack 9 (the next BoC? limited to 500! WICKED!) Skanform/Bannlust/et al. (on ADSR/Sendertechnik - limited to 300! should be on Skam) Gimmik: Random Access Gimmik: Load Error!? (limited to 500 on Toytronic! ultra RADICAL!) Signalflow (limited to 500 on Toytronic with Gimmik, Accelera Deck, etc.!) first two 12”s on Vertical Form (Rapacelli (sp?) and the Rap./Agent Cooper split promo) Magnetophone: Temporary Lid (on Static Caravan, sold out very fast!) Spymania Allstars: Avit (with Squarepusher? maybe! could be anyone! Mask before Mask!) Jega: IX (on Skam! you need this! ($25)) first three 12”s on Shit Katapult (the hip indie label of 1999!) Attention: Cats (wicked rare classic on Reck! very OOP GOOD GOOD GOOD GOOD!) Swap: s/t Michael Fakesch: Demon 1 (on MaS with a killer BoC mix!) Andre Estermann: MaS 6.04 Andre Estermann: Simstim (limited to 300 on Inzec!) Beaumont Hannant: Texturology LTD (alternate pressing with totally different tracklist!!) Beaumont Hannant: Tastes and Textures YO3: Deep Sleep (Beaumont in disguise! So good!) Bochum Welt: Martians and Spaceships! Schlammpeitziger: (long long title the one on Enten.long label name - limited!) Moellhoven: Tipsy Tones (on Eevolute! It’s Andre Estermann! Uptempo! MONSTER!) Push Button Objects: Half Dozen Beta Bodega Coalition Beta Bodega Coalition 2 Bochum Welt: Phial (very OOP classic on Axodya! you gotta have it!) Within Sound (Andre Estermann! wicked long OOP on Axodya Limited!) What I Want: * B1215 and B1216 white labels (B12) $100/each * B12: The Prelude, Part 1 CD (B12) $60 Black Dog Productions: The Temple of Transparent Balls CD (GPR) $60 Relics: A Transmat Compilation CD (Buzz) $60 Equinox: The Beginning, Night and Day CD (Buzz) $60 * Panic In Detroit CD (Buzz) $60 Virtual Sex CD (Buzz) $60 * Wookie 12” (Tenth Planet) $50 * The Equinox, Chapter One 12” (Retroactive) $50 (mispress with “The Climax” gets $80) * Link 12” (Symbiotic) $50 first five Evolution 12”s (Evolution) $40-50/each * Stasis: Disco 4000 12” (Time Is Right) $40 Ifach CD (Ifach) $40 Trelik CD
Re: [Fwd: Betr.: (313) Retroactive discog...]
In a message dated 2/15/00 5:55:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Equinox/the Beginning/Nite Da - A Retroactive Compilation Buzz BZZCD 106102 1992. Urban Tribe - Covert Action Carl Craig - Wrap Me In His Arms Carl Craig with Sarah Gregory - As Time Goes By (Sitting Under A Tree) Never On Sunday The Journey Carl Craig - No More Words Carl Craig - Suspiria As Time Goes By (Sitting Under A Tree) - Aquatic By the way, this track listing isn't exactly correct. It is lifted from the Mixmaster Morris site (whoever posted it) and the formatting on that site is poor. The tracks are right, but The Journey and Never on Sunday should be credited to MK and Aquatic is by Open House featuring Placid Angels. One of the best comps out there. BTW: someone clued me in to the fact that The Climax appeared on the last Paperclip People CD single. They said tinny mastering but just the fact that I can find hear this track is getting me very excited! Matt
(313) RetroActive
There doesn't seem to be a RetroActive discography _anywhere_ on the web (not even on Amazing Discographies) and considering this is one of Detroit's best labels, if not the best, I was wondering if anyone could fill me in as to what Retroactive 1-3 were. Thanks, Matt
Re: (313) MK stuffup
In a message dated 2/10/00 10:31:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Apologies to all, I stand corrected, But on the liner notes of a cd I own on network called detroit techno : emotions electric there is a picture of MK and he looks distinctly white, I promise! MK is great though. All I know of by him is a 12 on Network, a 12 on Retroactive and a few comp apperances, but they're all classics, regardless of his skin pigmentation. Matt
(313) Re: (idm) New Delsin releases...
I just got an e-mail from somewhere saying that there are more Delsin releases on the way including a new 12 from Lucky and Easy, which is pretty cool. At least, I think it was Delsin, maybe it was another label. Also thanks to Lance for the heads up on the Pub release on Vertical Form. Hey, Andrew Duke, you told me two months ago it was a different Pub. Better double check those press sheets, eh? :O) Matt
Re: (idm) (313) Re: (idm) New Delsin releases...
It's entirely possible they are related to the Ampoule label because nobody seems to know anything about the Ampoule label, but I think in the press release it stated that Pub had a break from the ultra-mysterious Ampoule collective (but maybe I'm wrong). Vertical Form does have a website: http://www.verticalform.com But it is not up yet. Matt
(313) Desperately Seeking References....
Has anybody on either of this lists dealt with Johanna Thomson ([EMAIL PROTECTED])? Buying a _large_ amount of music from her and I want to know what to expect. Thanks all, Matt
(313) 69: 4 Jazz Funk Classics
I think this 12 might have just recently been repressed - I've seen it on a sale list at a regular price. Was under the impression this is one of those Detroit mega-rarities, so certainly good news for Carl Craig fans who happened to discover him after 1991 or who don't like paying through the nose for a 12. Also wondering if anyone on here can point me to a solid Rob Hood webpage (esp. discography). And if I can start a nice thread on the virtues of the Vision, that'd be nice too. Matt
