Re: (313) Old vs. n.e.w.?
I'm not trying to diss the legal digital download sites - hey, I even work for one - but it seems like the opposite is now happening to what the gatekeepers of the digital revolution had originally predicted. It still comes down to dance music being a niche market, and one that took some pretty heavy blows in the past 5 years. Digital distribution is taking cues from the rest of the dance music distribution world -- still extra cautious and focused on bankable labels/artists. The digital distrib we work with does a dozen releases a week, on average. They probably aren't too interested in unknown artists making unknown music, unfortunately. It's still not so easy to get into the digital distribution world; you can sell/give away files from your own site, but getting on the biggies still seems to require some connects. We applied to Beatport directly and they totally ignored us -- only when we signed on with a third party digital distrib did we get on, and it seems some distribs have more clout than others -- some can get you on the main section fronts on iTunes but it may take awhile, some can get you up and listed on sites in weeks while others take months. And, of course, regardless of format, most music consumers are still sheep with bad/no taste, they don't know what to like unless they are told, so the same big crap with the most hype/promotion wins.
Re: (313) badly cut records
yeah a new cutting engineer helps a lot, but it's a crap shoot. the much beloved ron murphy is far from reliable, he'll do a great job for one record then cut the next with a load of hi-freq hiss and claim it's perfect...i've had records cut at metropolis (mega $$$) and the results were ass. dm are great but you have to schedule a cutting time weeks in advance, you can't be in a hurry. we had dLVEXT2 by e.r.p. cut 3 times, eventually went with the 1st cut because the subsequent cuts only got worse and it had been 4 months just in the cutting phase by then. it's being remastered and recut right now at a different place for an august re-release woohoo -Original Message- From: kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jul 24, 2007 9:06 AM To: list 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) badly cut records Sounds to me like you need a new cutting engineer. Assuming your tracks don't have out-of-phase bass, there's no excuse for a cut not playing clean. There are other factors that can affect the manufactured records, but it's just not that hard for a competent cutting engineer to get it right. It is worth it when you press to find someone who isn't using crap recycled vinyl to press with as well. This is your music after all On 7/24/07, Matt Chester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: surely nobody just goes for it, turns out a faulty product and the label just accepts it? Don't even get me started.In 5 releases I had to do 11 cuts
RE: (313) Justice (Into Model 500/Convextion)
they're both both still on. i am not sure what the release date for the frustrated funk record is. the e.r.p. remastered re-press will be out in august jt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jul 2, 2007 11:22 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Justice (Into Model 500/Convextion) While you're on the blower on this subject can we have an update on something you said in April and I've had flagged since: there is another e.r.p. coming later on frustrated funk as well. also the e.r.p. dLVEXT2 will be re-pressed this summer with new mastering what's the situation on these 2 releases? -Original Message- From: J.T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 July 2007 16:07 the model 500 is officially on wax now, should have a copy by the end of the week, really curious about it!
Re: (313) Justice (Into Model 500/Convextion)
the model 500 is officially on wax now, should have a copy by the end of the week, really curious about it! it has original, echospace remix, convextion remix. i have no idea what either of the remixes sound like, or if it is gus more in dub mode or techno but i suspect the latter. echospace is not deepchord btw, it's a collab between soultek and rod from deepchord. i really liked their miranda remix and soultek has played me stuff that is all over the map s...hmmm! i'm also excited to hear the original with new mastering because the original is one of the crustier sounding metroplex records iirc? i still haven't really heard vantage isle either, my copy got lost in the mail. i remember thinking it sounded nice but nothing special from clips, except for gerard's remix ;P very cool to hear dope jams (in nyc) is that good, wow.. @ken yes you old and dunno poo mtf give it up 3 jt -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jul 2, 2007 10:38 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Justice (Into Model 500/Convextion) On 7/2/07, robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I look forward to that. I see that Cybotron's Clear has been remixed too. From clips (it's on Juno's label) they don't sound like my cup of tea though. cobblestone jazz's cover is kinda alright, i probably wouldnt buy it but if someone else played it i wouldnt be offended. troy pierce's mix is the worst crap ive heard in a long long time. he should be taken out back and beaten. as for the starlight, the moritz mix is already dubbed out enough for my taste, im not sure if anyone can do it better than one of the BC cats. but i guess we'll see. i still think that vantage isle was way overrated but people cant seem to get enough of it. tom
(313) phat kat / ronnie cash
hiphop but at least it's 313 -- and andres does the scratching on it so hey have you heard this cyclone? best hiphop album i've heard in awhile i think, really, really good..mostly produced by dilla and black milk. guess it's a couple months old now... always heard a lot about him and had checked him out before, but this stuff is way better than what i'd heard before...
Re: (313) On Topic and Topical: Baltimore Club DJ's tribute to Disco D
i don't see no mix. the link is to a 3.1 MB mp3 of whores in the house, good one. typical bmore, it's kinda messy and spastic and super tracky. the claps are really nice. but again, expecting this stuff to be a mainstream hit instead of spank well... -Original Message- From: kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jun 29, 2007 10:40 AM To: list 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) On Topic and Topical: Baltimore Club DJ's tribute to Disco D A BMore Club mix by Steve Newsense in tribute to Disco D http://tinyurl.com/2mjt2x I found out about it on Idolator.com, where the first commenter says Nice to see some real Baltimore club getting some play, rather than that B.S. Spankrock nonsense. Tom, you're not an Idolator commenter are you? ;-)
Re: (313) Justice
that's the whole point. who cares with being down with a culture or not. who CARES! i have a great cd that is supposedly traditional south american indian music, but it's actually made by music professors from sao paolo. it's great, i like it, i could care less about how real they are etc. where do you draw the line on these judgement calls of realness anyways, and does it ever have positive effects? i mean what is the point? did chi people get all protective when detroit did their take on house? probably some did. i don't have time for that sort of nonsense. music is meant to bleed all over the place, it's in its nature, it's what it do. trace a style back and you can keep tracing it all the way back to africa. you don't have to like the new permutations, but insisting that new permutations are wrong is just assanine imo. i don't care if indie rockers start doing some retarded take on techno and get famous for it, go for it, i won't enjoy it and i'll talk sh*t on it and give it a stupid name, but it has as much a right to exist as anything else. this is all art 101 if you ask me, but tmo is acting like it's a sport of keepin it real. some of the best music of all time is made by ultra reclusive socially retarded people who could care less about being down with a scene or culture, they just make music. or maybe they're gregarious a-holes, who knows. i don't know spank rock and i don't know their motivations or personalities and i don't presume to know. i keep hearing tom assert that they are fronting on bmore club, but i think their name is supposed to be a concept in itself, it's spank rock. yes, it's got a rock attitude. it's not bmore club per se, it's in the name for godsakes -Original Message- From: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jun 27, 2007 8:01 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Justice y0y0y0y0y0y0y0y00y00y0yy0y0y0y0y00y0yy00y0y00y0y0y0y0y0y00y0y0y0y0y0yy0, i dont see why this even matters anyways, either music is good or it isnt. tom has the for-real-o-meter though, for real. G. - Original Message - From: Rob G [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 7:47 PM Subject: Re: (313) Justice you can add your own influence to something else. hiphop culture is all over the globe now, and it has been mutated and added on to. i personally think all of this stuff sucks, but at least it is being done by people who live that culture as best as it is done in their country. spank rock and ta live down the street, theyre spectators to a culture they then represent. it wouldnt matter if they were purple if they were down with the culture. but theyre not so it doesnt matter. so how are they *not* down with the culture? What would they be doing differently if they were down with the culture? I always always got the impression from the early hollertronix/the rub/moneystudies/et all that their whole vibe was we're not you guys, but we're *down* with what you are doing (with respect to the baltimore producers and such). Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC
Re: (313) Justice
also JT, if you want an example of doing it right by these small genres, look to Mo Wax in the summer of 00. they wanted to represent ghetto tech and miami bass, but they didnt go out and find some white hipsters to make a joke out of it. instead they got DJ Assault and Magic Mike to drop LPs: wait, we're talking about labels now? well, mo'wax were just putting out music they liked. i know those guys, i worked with them too remember. it should also be noted dj assault was the hype then, coming off coverage in rolling stone and spin etc, and was an obvious choice with little competition. just like spank rock was an obvious choice for ninja tune because they were selling out shows everywhere and had some hype, and because ninja tune dug their music. maybe technics should have sent them a demo. i sure wish they'd put out technics too, but it's not spank's fault they don't, and technics has got his stuff worked out anyways. so why all the drama and bitterness and why are you directing it where you are? what is this big conspiracy you think has occurred, what are the motives for pushing spank and not technics? there's loads of bad music out there, is it the crappy artists' fault when it miraculously becomes popular, or their label's for picking it up and torturing the world with it and embarking on a marketing campaign etc etc?
Re: (313) Justice
detroit had their own dance culture already going on, as well as taking part in chicago's house culture. detroit had it's own sub-culture yes, they shouldn't have come along and appropriated chicago's. and chicago shouldn't have appropriated new york's. music institute was just a wannabe music box was just a wannabe paradise garage where do you draw the lines? why bother? i dont care if the permutation is new. there are plenty that are just fine and dont have anything to do with cultural appropriation in any way. i dont have any problems with that. that is a ridiculous statement. culture can't be narrowly defined, nor can appropriation. you can say virtually everything is appropriation. there is no such thing as originality in the objective sense. besides, appropriation is a scary word, very negative connotations, but it's not as sinister as all that necessarily. white radio appropriated the jive talk style of black radio, but you could argue that helped bring black culture further into the mainstream and promoted racial equality. it had bad effects, it had good effects, like lots of things do.. it can exist all it wants. but im going to talk sh*t on it. and call it names. which is what im doing. and youre saying i shouldnt? no, i'm saying all your points about culture and realness and blah blah blah have nothing to do with whether their music is sonically pleasing to you or not. there are factors other than your ears affecting your opinion. those other things have their place, but not in your ears. it has nothing to do with keeping it real. i like how since we're then why do you keep talking about how they are fronting and not down and not real, and comparing to who is real, and etc etc? what about the SOUNDS??? just say they use crappy samples and you don't like their voices. the rest is noise when it comes to talking about music. some of the best music of all time is made by ultra reclusive socially retarded people who could care less about being down with a scene or culture, they just make music. name these people whose music is not from a culture. it doesnt exist. dummy, sub-culture that they themselves 'belong' to then, however you go about defining that in the first place. i do not consider myself a part of house sub-culture. at all. and yet i make house. i love house. should i give it up? where do you draw the lines? why do you give so much credit to scenes/culture in the first place? what's so great about them, other than getting the bragging rights to claim you are real and to get credit or whatever? scenes just breed homogeny and boring politics. i'd rather just make music i like and get paid for it. i'm getting too old to care about anything else. credit where credit is due is great of course, but getting credit isn't going to make technics as popular as spank or ayres. because all these issues you are talking about has nothing to do with their popularity. they make relatively mainstream, radio-friendly party music. nobody cares about the rest. except music geeks like us, the .01% all i can go by is what i hear and read. if they dont want to be judged on that, they should do a better job of PR. i think they'd like to be judged on their music and i think the other 99.99% of the people who hear them do that. why then does every single review, writeup, etc mention baltimore and club music? they dont even live there anymore. they try to cash in on that credential. because they are highly influenced by bmore club stuff? i'd probably mention detroit in any interview, but i've never lived there. i'd also mention music that is 80 years old that i wasn't even alive to experience. i think you are miffed because they are coming across as the pioneers of bmore club, and that's unfortunate, but that's how it goes. they are treated that way by the media because they are the first to make waves (similar things have happened with dance music, like how portishead or chem bros became the pioneers of trip hop in the mainstream's eyes). they give credit to the bmore scene in every interview, like you say. so...? what more can they do? and what is there to cash in on? there was no bmore club craze until them, and it's still not really about bmore. they are bringing attention to the music. they shouldn't? btw, tom and i just like to argue. we friends. i think he says dumb stuff sometimes but so do i (see above and previous 1000 messages on 313). but i 3 tom
Re: (313) MOS // Aroy Dee website
hahahaha i'm cracking up that he put my comment in the press quotes for mos #6. so articulate awesome to see the architectural pictures and sketches (aroy is an archytech fyi), and dammmn that record shelf he made is CLASS (see interviews mixes page) lies is such an awesome track. wish those mixes were downloadable, especially the planet delsin ones. saving them for a cd release? :P -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jun 28, 2007 2:30 AM To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) MOS // Aroy Dee website http://www.mosrecordings.com/
Re: (313) Justice finale??
Personally, I'm waiting for the J.T./Kooky Scientist/Tomm WWF steel-cage mud wrestling deathmatch. tom and i are friends, there's no animosity...we just like to argue about social/cultural bs, we're probably on the same page anyways. P.S. As for all the Justice/Spank Rock/etc. discussion - I thought this was the (313) Detroit Techno list, not the Whatever Music The (313) Listmembers Feel Like Discussing At The Moment list?!? i think all the issues we've been talking about relate equally as much to detroit techno, no? just replace spank rock with ritchie hawtin, technics with mike banks, and bmore with detroit, et voila
Re: (313) Justice
but I guess I just don't get what *would* be a genuine way of calling attention to the music? (in contrast to this disingenuous manner). well put..i agree with most of what tom is saying at some level, but it's impossibly idealistic and entirely speculative. idealism is vital tho. but yeah. who knows exactly what would happen if somehow someway the crazy real club stuff got mainstream coverage, but i highly doubt it would take off like spank rock, there's no foundation for it too. the foundation ahs to be built sometime somewhere though if something like that is ever going to happen. i remember how excited i was to see articles in rolling stone and spin some years back about the belleville 3, thinking yes, the rest of the world is finally going to wake up to this brilliant music and real dance music will become a viable part of the music industry!bzzt! but then again, it depends on your pov. playlists from ibiza have gotten better, and i'm certainly happier to see kompakt inhabiting the same space moonshine and company used to. it could be better, maybe, but it could also be much worse. something is usually better than nothing, and that goes for spank's mis-credit as bmore club as well
Re: (313) Justice
i certainly wouldnt call spank rock boring nah, but id call them pretty terrible. theyre right up there with tittworth and ayres, diplo, etc in that why are these guys out there representing this kind of music?!?!?! category for me. representing what? bmore? why shouldn't they? do you not like clubby stuff or something? but you don't seem like much of an electro fan, and this stuff definitely leans electro...spank rock is produced well, it's different, and it's hot, so i think they deserve some credit there regardless of whether it's your thing or not. i actually haven't given it many good listens and i deffo don't like all of it. but 95% of too short's stuff sucks, and i still love him for the other 5% no love for the pack (wolfpack)? the vans song? uno? super slow minimal 808 drenched in reverb, little portamento lead riffs, comeON! this is all strictly party stuff tho. i don't really listen to it like some deep stuff and i wouldn't listen to it all the time or anything. i like jneiro and i like a lot of that sort of stuff that goes thru rush hour, but it's not really for me. it's a bit too lowkey and jazzy and hip for me, most of the time...i am mostly after more electronic stuff, or well, hot stuff.. and jjak hogan are my friends and unknown as yet, but are opening for beastie boys next tour and have an album coming on radioslave's rekids, of all places. i really liked their stuff on their myspace page, ill definitely be checking out their whole album. that's funny you like them but not spank rock. not that they sound that similar, but they are in the same area. same emphasis on electronics and crazy beats...but with much better mc's..and music much more on the deep side...best live hiphop i've ever seen. if you like jjak check the senate committee. it's jjak plus their friend note. tip! http://www.myspace.com/jjakhogan check bass invadurrz (electro/instrumental sideproject) too @cyclone, if you're reading, i didn't mean to insinuate you don't know anything about hiphop or anything like that, i just took umbrage with your examples of american hiphop and how dismissive you were...hope you kicked the migraine, och ps kamal said it right!
Re: (313) Justice
because someone else who really does it should, rod lee, technics, etc. ive been down with the club music for a long minute now, i never heard of them until suddenly it started getting hyped up by other white deejays. damm why is everybody so defensive today? i don't care how long you've been down with it, i just didn't think it was your style. i have never heard of rod lee, i'm curious...if spank and ayres are biting his style that is unfortunate they are getting all the attention. i get what you mean now. i don't know about the politics, i have just been using my ears. but ayres doesn't pretend to be anything he's not, his bio lays out his history, learning to mix in college dorm rooms and playing in brooklyn dives, and he even gives props to darshan from metro area and jamie hodge (born under a rhyming planet) in his bio... y'know, none of my black friends seem to care that spank rock are 1/2 white...i guess their stuff is kinda stupid/trashy so you need a sense of humor and good taste in bad taste or something like that... the vans track is ill, what else have they done? lots. look for lil uno's and boo ski's solo stuff too...uno by lil uno is like doug e fresh 1986 except from the bay 2007, same instrumentation, massive reverbed 808 beats im usually chilling more than i am anything else, so the jazzy stuff is usually my favorite. in general, ive been digging for jazz a whole lot more recently, and listening to jazz influenced hiphop a TON, and sample based hiphop in general a whole lot. Large Professor deejayed in pittsburgh the other night, he was awesome, ive been feeling that vibe of stuff alot more than most dance music stuff recently. i'm chilling too. i get tired of jazzy sounds in hiphop. i like jazz tho, especially rudy johnson and blackjazz stuff lately. it is just so played out and familiar in hiphop, there's not much imagination in that sound left..with some exceptions...i really wanted to like the new lifesavas but nahhh. it's all good background music i guess, but so is lots of music. maybe i'll come back around to it now that it's summer maybe its what you mean when you say music much more on the deep side. in general im not about music thats only about partying. i like soul music you can party to, thats what im all about. ill check that side project thing as well. mostly that's what i'm about too..i mean very little music really strikes a perfect balance for me, upfront and deep at the same time, it's usually tilted one way or the other. but i like all sorts of music, and hot summertime nights in nc demand party music SOMEtimes.
Re: (313) Justice
oh yeah, lil uno from the pack is not lil uno the latino mc. the pack are too short proteges btw, one of them is his nephew. i mostly just like the slow minimal 808 ones, not the faster electro-rap jams, they're ok but nothing unique
Re: (313) Justice
down to it from time to time. it reminds me of a cross between UK hardcore and dance mania, combining 2 of my loves. hehe yep, that's totally what it is, with sloppier sampling i mean, i dont know how much time youve spent in bmore, but one of the great things about it is club music. they rock it on mainstream hiphop haha, not much, but i've been knowing about it, i remember when it first popped up and former list member legend teep was all about it. there used to be a label called knuckleheadz (sp?) that i was really into...i sold all of it tho.. down here we call it bmore club. the mid-atlantic is a cool place musically, i mean it's crazy go-go music is still big in dc and most of the rest of the country has never heard of it, much less actually heard the music...and it's all over fm radio there. March from star wars with an amen break under it, really raw and goofy tracked out breakbeat stuff. theyve been doing it for a minute, check haha yeah, it probably sounds even worse than the description, there's a lot of really really bad ultra-tracky stuffbut some dope onesi got one a few months ago that is a mashup of percolator and fela kuti, pretty hot he may be a really cool guy and be down with lots of good music, but i feel like he is misrepresenting a local music for ironic means. i dunno man, sometimes it's unfair to blame the artist. blame the hypemachine(s). everything i've read about him is very humble and straightforward -- and doesn't even mention bmore. it's all nyc...i dunno. other bmore stuff can blow up in it's own right, i don't see that ayres and spank are holding anybody down, unless they really did steal someone else's sound straight up...but i don't hear that, at least not with what i've heard... i mean technics and a bunch of other bmore guys are all up in the soundtrack to The Wire and i thought they had some major record deals stemming from that? they are definitely representing bmore in that show at least, which is a pretty big deal... it doesnt matter that theyre white, if they were representing real club music. but theyre taking the most superficial bits about it and turning it into a joke. you know how i feel about this kind of thing. i don't hear it that way. their music is a joke, but that doesn't mean the music they are influenced by is, or that their music isn't still good. see pubahs lots. look for lil uno's and boo ski's solo stuff too...uno by lil uno is like doug e fresh 1986 except from the bay 2007, same instrumentation, massive reverbed 808 beats sounds nice. you probably will hear some bad stuff and get turned off...they're all like 17-19 years old, max. and they are hot on mtv etc. still, i approve. if you don't like too short, you probably won't like this either tho (lyrics are cleaner, but the rest is too short evolved...) ive been buying up Inner City and Prestige stuff recently, but really ive just been buying and playing all kinds of jazz stuff recently. Azimuth's first brazil only album has been on constant repeat for me recently, what a brilliant record. i've been listening to sabu martinez a bunch...pretty great. and oh, old jazzy hiphop, that's a totally different story. even new stuff done in the old style, it just sounds stale or something (like lifesavas). but then there's madlib (sometimes) and yeah some slum village black milk etc etc...but i probably couldn't list more than 10 current producers of jazzy stuff that i really like. i am after more esoteric electronic sounding stuff fosho..
Re: (313) Justice
Man, I really never got into that stuff when I lived there. It just sounded like garbage re-hashed hardcore with incredibly tired beat samples to me. It there's a lot of that. but it's not all that. there's some gems. everybody who's really cool is playing kuduru now tho :P
Re: (313) Justice
its not about straight up stealing a sound, its about getting popular with a watered down version of something that isnt even his to water down. theyre the elvises of club music. that's all cultural politics, which concerns me, but it's beside the fact of whether the music is good or not, and while i can't say it doesn't affect my opinion of music if i know the backstory etc, i don't think it should. elvis was just trying to make some music he loved, he wasn't trying to steal black music, and he didn't sound just like black music. he can't help it that white america loved his music, what was he supposed to do, say thanks anyway, but keep your money i'd rather be a starving artist? or should he have just stuck to making white music and minded his place? that's a real narrow view and we wouldn't have a lot of great musical styles if people did that. if everybody thought like that, people would have dismissed techno (ahem) as just some black guys trying to sound like german guys. or how about convextion, he's not black, and he's not from detroit so? if you're going to get all political about music, don't blame the artists, blame society. i didn't even know ayres was white and i think it has f*ckall to do with whether he's a good dj or not, nor do i think the fact that he's popular while the original guys aren't has anything to do with how his music sounds. besides, like rob g says, spank and ayres etc have their own sound, they're not just imitators. at least pubah's was still getting play from real ghetto and electro deejays in detroit. ive never seen or heard of one of the real bmore deejays dropping spankrock tunes. who cares? music is what it is, i don't care who's playing it or how much street cred it has if i really like it. if i don't like it i am more likely to focus on all these things you are, but it's nonsense really, nothing to do with the actual aesthetics of music. i don't like el-p because i don't like his voice or his flow, not because he's white and didn't grow up in bed-stuy and doesn't get played by [blank]
Re: (313) Justice
its not cultural politics, its whats right and whats wrong. hahaha ho-kay he should have said this is wrong, i am not the king of rock and roll, this is all nonsense, these are the people who made this music, they should be getting paid and be popular. obviously, he never did anything of the sort. he was all too happy to continue the bamboozlement because it put cash in his pocket. which is why i dont give a sh*t about elvis. haha you are crazy. if everybody thought like that, people would have dismissed techno (ahem) as just some black guys trying to sound like german guys. but thats obviously not true. oh no? maybe you aren't aware of things that aren't so obvious? was he trying to white wash a sound to make it popular for people who are outside of its usual audience? obviously you fall into the same yes category, you come from this culture, you make the music. there's no problem with that. i was listening to indie rock all the time in 1996 and there is no real dance music culture in the south outside of hiphop but the artists are the ones who control how they are marketed and who says who? are you kidding? i didnt even control how i was marketed with mo'wax/platinum projects, hence, they spelled my name wrong their crowds are and what the perception of their music is. its how do we control who our crowds are? i wish! possible to do it the right way without being a bullsh*t artist. ahh the right way! who do i get ahold of for this? his music is a joke, that has nothing to do with why i dont like these other aspects of it. but the fact that people equate his joke music to club music is what really irritates me. you're a joke with this hater stuff man. taco, his music was truly a joke. no, theyre selling an image of that music to people who peddle in irony instead of good music. its even worse than being an imitator IMO. gimme a break. surprise tom -- in general party music is popular. including in bmore. street cred? what are you talking about? all music is part of a i'm talking about all your talk about the real artists not playing/making the same sort of stuff as spank/ayres hence they are not credible on da streets and deserve no respect! it's your whole point as far as i can tell culture that shapes the sounds. if someone is not part of that culture and just jacks the sounds, theyre just pirates. which is what titface come on!! these aren't soul-less 60 year old record producers making this stuff to cash in, it's people who heard the music and honestly loved it. neither ayres nor spank just walked into major label deals either! come on! i cant disagree more. watered down crap isnt going to sound as good as the stuff its ripping off, it never does. maybe if youve never heard the real stuff, knock offs sound okay. i've heard plenty of the real stuff, LOADS AND LOADS of it SUCKS!! SUCKS HARD! i like el-p's beats because he came from hiphop culture and his can you please distinguish how he came from hiphop culture any more than ayres, and is it really necessary to distinguish hiphop from bmore from house etc etc? so if somebody who is a dope hiphop producer falls in love with house, they can know to stay away because they are not real? whatever or spank rock. sh*t, what they do could be being done solely by black artists and i would still think it was just as weak. of wow, no kidding? course i dont think its a coincidence that these kinds of things are almost always perpetrated by white artists. what sorts of things? race is sometimes an issue, but why is it here? why would it be so different if spank rock were all black instead of 1/2 black? and you are leaving out the rest of the damn globe. all this hispanic hiphop, kuduro, baile, kwaito, on and on..i guess because they arent white, their massive inspiration from hiphop culture is a different matter... tom dum
Re: (313) Justice ed banger hiphop
all of the above. i could tell from seeing them in trendy magazines that i wouldnt like them. when i heard their music (before knowing who it was that was playing) i never would have guessed that they would be *that* bad. but they are. horrible horrible nonsense. its like the less intelligent cousin of big beat and mainstream house. it really cant get worse. i think id rather listen to aril brikha's recent album. i second that. i know some of the people involved with ed banger stuff, and even they make fun of it. seriously! it's garbage but i don't take it seriously and i don't think they do either, so whatever. industry nonsense. mehdi is definitely not either, IMO. it's boring. innovative? pff there's lots of weird hip-hop out there, i don't know that experimental and innovative are the same thing. bmost of it is bring. besides, more and more i'm coming to the view that innovative is a BS word. real innovation is making something hot that lasts, whether it is miles away from the old or not (totally subjective anyways, you can always ALWAYS find something similar that laid the roots for something else), you're adding something substantial to the lexicon of music, so what's the dif. my hiphop top 5 right now would be something like: jjak hogan, spank rock, wolfpack (lil uno boo ski), black milk nametag (last 2 = 313)
Re: (313) Vinylmania in NYC closed?! Dope Jams is open!
don't worry -- there is Dope Jams in Brooklyn now. i haven't been there, but it's apparently a super high-quality shop for house, and some disco and stuff in there too. from what i hear, they get all the dope detroit and chi stuff, and very little junk...great store name too! personally i think vinyl is on the upswing, or at least the bleeding has stopped. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jun 25, 2007 1:16 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Vinylmania in NYC closed?! Apparently it closed up shop in March :-( How come this wasn't bigger news?? Was probably NYC last remaining bastion of real house and disco music in the city was around the corner from the Paradise Garage - opened in 1978 rent in the neighborhood have increased too much http://gravityandfusion.blogspot.com/2007/03/vinyl-mania.html http://broklynbeats.blogspot.com/2007/03/vinylmania-empire-rink-close_23.html http://forum.defected.com/viewtopic.php?t=27655highlight=sid=765b66b5ff5053db6b6036665c88908a if you had never been to the shop it was an amazing experience great service - hand picked selection for you floor to ceiling records and just the pure heritage and history in that little shop a proper House Music Mecca damn... MEK
Re: (313) Vinylmania in NYC closed?! Dope Jams is open!
err yeah man, i realize all that. it's a shame, but places gotta close sometime, and they had a good run. hope they went out with a bang and that dope jams and others rise to replace. it is a bit odd a bigger fuss wasn't made about vm closing, but we don't have many old new york house/disco heads around these parts i guess. i'm sure dope jams has ny house too, i guess, i don't know of much/any modern ny house that i like but i bet they have the good stuff. i understand your comment about buying stuff from chi/d in chi/d, going to the heart of the culture etc, but i guess i don't really see a thriving house culture anymore anyways. still, always cool to go to the source, but i'm thankful for any good record shop i can come across in the real world, especially if it's got lots of the stuff i'm after (duh) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jun 26, 2007 1:12 PM To: J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Vinylmania in NYC closed?! Dope Jams is open! but if I want Chicago and Detroit I'd buy it from Chicago and Detroit Vinylmania was great because it was NY and Jersey stuff - and it's beyond just oh great there's a new place it can't take the place of Vinylmania because it will never have the history that VM had I liked shopping at VM because I knew there was a serious heritage of legendary DJs that shopped there - like eating at some famous steak house and seeing all the framed pictures of famous entertainers on the wall you could walk in and think I'm a part of all of this it would be like Submerge closing - it's all just a memory now sentimental - yeah, definitely times change though and we have to soldier on hopefully VM closing was the last gush of blood MEK J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 06/26/2007 11:56:42 AM: don't worry -- there is Dope Jams in Brooklyn now. i haven't been there, but it's apparently a super high-quality shop for house, and some disco and stuff in there too. from what i hear, they get all the dope detroit and chi stuff, and very little junk...great store name too! personally i think vinyl is on the upswing, or at least the bleeding has stopped. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jun 25, 2007 1:16 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Vinylmania in NYC closed?! Apparently it closed up shop in March :-( How come this wasn't bigger news?? Was probably NYC last remaining bastion of real house and disco music in the city was around the corner from the Paradise Garage - opened in 1978 rent in the neighborhood have increased too much http://gravityandfusion.blogspot.com/2007/03/vinyl-mania.html http://broklynbeats.blogspot.com/2007/03/vinylmania-empire-rink-close_23.html http://forum.defected.com/viewtopic.php? t=27655highlight=sid=765b66b5ff5053db6b6036665c88908a if you had never been to the shop it was an amazing experience great service - hand picked selection for you floor to ceiling records and just the pure heritage and history in that little shop a proper House Music Mecca damn... MEK
RE: (313) Vinylmania in NYC closed?! Dope Jams is open!
yeah i think it's the online shopping taking hold more than anything else. you don't see many people at all in stores that carry only cd's either, really. i'm pretty tired of hearing the sky is falling, honestly. in the usa at least, i hear straight from the source (pressing plants) that major labels are doing more vinyl than they have for years, and that 7s are huge with indie labels bands again. maybe dance music may need some juicing up or something, but vinyl is nowhere near death. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jun 26, 2007 1:12 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Vinylmania in NYC closed?! Dope Jams is open! Not sure that's the case over here - see my previous mail. Of course part of the reason that shops here are having a hard time is vinyl as well as downloads being bought online but it's a worrying situation nevertheless. -Original Message- From: J.T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 June 2007 17:57 personally i think vinyl is on the upswing, or at least the bleeding has stopped.
Re: (313) Justice
oh c'mon, you are scraping the dregs out there, this is all tired nyc stuff. lloyd banks? well duh, g-unit sucks harrrd, they always did. mims? fabolous? this is as mainstream as it gets, mims was #1 in the charts! hiphop fans don't listen to that stuff, pop music/mtv people do. down south is where the hot stuff is. and bay area ok ok. and bmore and detroit. oh yeah. and i don't mean for undergound hiphop fans, which usually means college hiphop. the southern hiphop sound seems to have been dominating for a few years now, but maybe that's just my perspective living in the south. i certainly wouldnt call spank rock boring, and i think you're realy really hating if you do. black milk is carrying the torch for dilla, and he produced nametag's album, and nametag is suuper. lil uno and boo ski and the pack are doing that totally mental almost beatless stuff..crazy minimal 808 tracks, so so dope. and jjak hogan are my friends and unknown as yet, but are opening for beastie boys next tour and have an album coming on radioslave's rekids, of all places. and some other records in fine places too ;) they are a bit like spank rock mixed with outkast and other southern flavors. some of their stuff is really really techno. i like the new rza track on the radio too, classic wu style... -Original Message- From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jun 26, 2007 1:39 PM To: Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Justice The US side isn't that inspiring at the moment, frankly - I mean MIMS, Lloyd Banks, Fabolous - and the underground is about as boring! The general view in the hip hop industry is that Americans would never accept a non-American MC. Don't the Brits hate all their MCs? The UK guys always complain about that when coming here! ;) On 26/06/2007, at 6:58 PM, Tristan Watkins wrote: - Original Message - From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 3:57 AM Subject: [SPAM-LOW] Re: (313) Justice On 6/25/07, Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mehdi is more like Timbaland but open about his influences. He used to produce MC Solaar. i never really liked solaar either. to be honest, aside from a couple of UK emcees, i find most non-american hiphop to just be missing something. I agree, although I really struggle with most British MCs too. It's kind of like asking a Papua New Guinean to yodel. That said, I've got some time for MC Solaar and a few other exceptions to the rule. Tristan === [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phonopsia.co.uk
Re: (313) convextion album now on beatport.com
thanks a lot for the nice comments Bill, and the plug Kent. The vinyl version of the album has probably been on beatport for about 4 months or so.. There is still a cd version of the album coming. It'll have a couple new tracks, and drop a few from the vinyl. tbr sept/oct -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jun 12, 2007 3:59 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) convextion album now on beatport.com subject line says it all. If you didn't get the vinyl -- or if you did and want to doubly compensate the fine folks at down low -- whoomp, there it is! Thanks for posting this, Kent - I hadn't had a chance to listen to it yet at all, so having the samples via beatport/juno is great! On a quick listen to the samples, equanimity sounds just gorgeous, solum ferrum sounds like classic Maurizio (M6, anybody?), Astrum sound like classic Detroit stuff (DX bass, pitchbent synth leads, etc), Premiata wouldn't sound out of place next to anything on Carl Craig's Landcruising, and Frozen Surface has me wondering how this would have sounded on any of the DEMF sound systems this year (I have a feeling it would have blown any of them up - fantastic!). Great production for sure - I'll have to figure out if I'm going to pick my faves based on the samples or try to get the whole thing. Great work, DL! bvl
Re: (313) rick wade on yore + convextion on AW
does it have jazz/disco samples? i like those old rick wades on harmonie park ok. they have a nice mood to them, but they're pretty straight-forward sample-loop tracks and nothing that special to me in the end. quality but pretty standard sample loop house stuff. and i got his dark ascension album on music is. awful digital art of dumb rave chick wearing headphones on cover, beyond terrible. 1 good track on the entire album, but it's a stunner...really dark and reay cool mood, and no samples...night station. how does this yore one compare? i want more like that night station track...not interested in more of the sample loop style.. ps i'm biased but the new convextion on AW is really really good, going into sounds not covered by previous convextion or e.r.p. releases...especially dig the model 500-y cut and the one that is sort of in between SAW and drexciya with the crazy middle-eastern sounding strings...props to arne for picking adventurous stuff and not type-casting the convextion sound..
Re: (313) black devil disco club provenance
geez Kent, get it together :P It's on topic if we're allowed to do the kevin bacon/6 degrees of seperation on it -- mg environ still have 313 creeping thru in their sound and should have lifetime 313-relativity membership since mg was the 1st/2nd 313 subscriber right? and they did the jersey devil social club sendoff...of course i guess if we can play kevin bacon with things, everything is on-topic. I think it's a great album personally, altho I haven't listened to it much yet. It sounds just like their old stuff, but i think the modern production is worn on it's sleeve, it's much too well-recorded and clean and full to not have been recorded digitally, and their old stuff was well before digital and sounded really musty and dusty by comparison. i actually still prefer the musty sound, but no biggie. ps shake rules. he's got the style. he brings a personality to techno/electronic music that there is not nearly enough of. no offense to derrick and juan and a lot of other big name techno dj's, but they're so hip and techno and sht behind the decks. shake is all talking crap at the crowd, the records, himself, singing along, and he just has the touch. he's a dj you don't feel like an idiot for keeping your eyes on rather than turning around and just dancing to. i will always remember his LIVE set at demf 1/2, played just off a k2000 i think, man it was s good, i remember how he'd occasionally play little riffs on the keys and how captivating it was even tho he was just sitting there..and also when he dj'd at the very first dL party in dallas, which was an almost flawless set, and when there were hiccups he pulled it off like claude young, fixed it in the mix, and made it even more entertaining and impressive in the process. and then he stayed up on stage after he was done and the night was over for another 30 minutes or so, shooting the sht with the whole audience all at once, it was special. it didn't hurt that convextion played live for the first time at that party, and plastic sleeves played too, and fbk from 21/22 banged it out too, he was helping shake out on that trip. legendary night for me.. i understand if anthony technoir was disappointed with anthony shake this time, but i bet shake appreciates the candor and is even harder on himself. he's capable of stunning things and i think he's secure in his abilities so no need to go easy on him, right? he is/was/remains the man. pps yo toby and robin and kamal and all my other 313 friends i am not keeping in good contact with..and yo shake! -Original Message- From: kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jun 7, 2007 9:11 AM To: Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) black devil disco club provenance Well, all the reviews PR is purposefully vague about it, and it sounds old. That's all I was saying ;-) Not even really on topic and here I am the list admin. On 6/7/07, Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Surely the LP title gives it away? It's 28 years after the first one, which was in 1978 I believe.
RE: (313) As consolation for those not going DEMF Manchester goes Dutch this weekend
Loud-E is an excellent dj and part of the main c-b-s mixing crew. he leans heavily towards chicago, and not as much disco like i-f. but i-f is mindblowing... cool to hear alex is dj'ing! really sad i won't be making it to detroitor manchester :P I'd heard it was day night, my mate Dave and Neil from El Diablo's are on in the day then it's the Unabombers, followed by Loud-E (info please, I know he's Dutch but that's all I know) with I-F last up. So I thought that meant he would be on same time as El Diablo's. However Robin has just mailed me to say it finishes at 10pm. No information about times on the Eurocultured site but I'm sure he's right - therefore we can do both - whoopee! Looks like I picked the wrong weekend to cut back on my drinking. -Original Message- From: Nick Hardie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 May 2007 13:58 Isn't it possible to the the I-F and Po Na Na events. I thought the first was a day time session.
Re: (313) New release (very detroit-ish)
yep, good stuff, very ur-y but with some inspiration of it's own. including the ableton warp file is a nice touch! good luck with it dimitri jt -Original Message- From: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 12, 2007 10:57 AM To: 313 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) New release (very detroit-ish) I love this release.and the way it's presented too. robin... On 11 May 2007, at 23:25, Wildtek Concept / DJ Dimitri Pike wrote: You're right, the release is DJ friendly, it is provided with loops and parts of the main track (The Tempest) and all tracks/loops/parts are 'Abletoin Live Ready', this mean that you can directly play the material in an Ableton DJ set without having to adjust settings, it's already in the right tempo, the right pitch, more... It's 320 kbps material, so, can be easily burn on CD's for dj's using CD's, etc... I have recorded a sort of 'example' here : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I9QMFo6b-U Now, out of a DJ context, we provides graphics, customer support (yes, yes, support...we call it 'Wildtek Concept Supporters Privileges) and it's why our releases are also for non dj listenners who are looking for high quality techno music. And there Gareth provided us the 'top of the top' recordings, as a dj, I receive tons of unreleased cd's, mp3's and I've been rarely impressed like I've been with Gareth's music. I stop my guerilla marketing here guys ;-) Just want to say thanks a lot for the interest about the release, the numerous visits on our website, thanks for the words about Gareth music, all of this let us know we're on the right way and give us force for releasing even more good things next times. Peace and have all a wonderfull weekend. Dimitri Pike -- Dimitri Pike http://wildtek.free.fr http://www.myspace.com/wildtek
RE: (313) RIP Cybernetic Broadcasting System.
you ( rob taylor) have no idea what you're talking about. c-b-s has a different program on different days. the weekends are disco. tuesdays-thursdays you can hear anything from the latest omar-s or delsin stuff to incredible old soundtracks. not to mention detroit and chicago classics you never even knew existed, alongside well-known classics, livesets from people like convextion, ridiculous on-air banter from guys like i-f and legowelt..everything but beat music (by which i mean grime/dnb/whatever). if you have a poor impression of c-b-s that's a shame cus you are really missing out. best radio station on the planet. -Original Message- From: pauley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 3, 2007 11:37 PM To: 'Toby Frith' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) RIP Cybernetic Broadcasting System. Uh well...once you've got the mp3's of the last 20 years (cream of...of course)of bad european dance music then it's time to move on...and all (old)school is only as relevant as it's relevant...saying that I'm just buzzing out to roxy music:for your pleasure 'in every dream a heartache'...WOW!!! -Original Message- From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 1:17 AM To: Patrick Wacher; list 313 Subject: RE: (313) RIP Cybernetic Broadcasting System. Totally. The CBS is a shining light on the internet. Gutted. -Original Message- From: Patrick Wacher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 May 2007 05:45 To: list 313 Subject: (313) RIP Cybernetic Broadcasting System. I'm devastated... http://www.cbs.nu/forum/viewtopic.php?id=17775 --- Southern Outpost Sydney - San Francisco - Berlin http://www.southernoutpost.com --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/785 - Release Date: 5/2/2007 2:16 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/785 - Release Date: 5/2/2007 2:16 PM
(313) theo p - sound sculptures
theo's new album has been out for a week now and nobody says a peep! and it is kilerr from the soundclips! as hot as 1st floor but more mature and esoteric... i gotta make some room in my budget to drop the $30 for the 3xLP, but sure sounds worth it. nice to see hanna does some production on it too, haven't seen his stuff around in a little bit.. i'm also shocked to never have heard a peep about the Ai sidelabel RUR on here -- first release limited to 100 copies, can only be had direct, is $45...and is supposedly by juan atkins (officially is anonymous/untitled)...hrmpmhpmph i wonder if i'll ever get to hear it. i wonder if anybody on here has?
Re: (313) Most Cherished 313 Vinyl.
well discogs is down this morning so i have no idea what you guys are listing, but mine is juan atkins' magic tracks -- the bootleg 8-track vinyl version, not the official 4-track version on tresor. it has scan 7's 21st century which is mindblowing melodic oldstyle scan 7 (like the UR ep's) that has never otherwise been on vinyl (seek it out, such a totally slept on classic detroit track..), as well as intellitronic pixel which is drexciya under another name doing a super stripped and undercooled electro-funk jammy, and also nowhere else on vinyl. plus super dope ron cook, 2x juan, 1x eddie, drexciya positron island, and optic nerve going deep. it is a mindblowingly good compilation, 100% winners, rare chit or not...UNBELIEVABLE that it never got a proper 2x12 release, the bootleg is mastered like ass and is so quiet it is virtually unplayable out. the whole thing blew my mind in 1994/1995 when i was still just discovering real/detroit techno, and it was the first drexciya i owned (positron island is quite an intro to drexciya! but then again, any old drexciya track is pretty shocking to the uninitiated)...this record should be worth big bux, but until/unless those unreleased-on-vinyl tracks get another release, i could never ever part with it...i know i'll never find it again, unlike many other complete-classic 313 records i treasure... runners up would include eddie fowlkes - planet claire (back2basics) drexciya 1-5 orlando voorn - the living room LP + 12 (night vision) juan orlando - game one (metroplex) hoodlum - 2x12 (drama) rob hood - movable parts 2 2x12 (m-plant) model 500 - deep space 2x12 (rs) infiniti - the infiti collection 2x12 (tresor) moodymann - silent intro (planet e) e-dancer collection 3x12 (planet e) dan curtin - deception 2x12 (sublime) dbx - bleep/phreak/flying saucer/back2dabeat (Accellerate) shake claude young - frictional #1 bfc/psyche - elements 2x12 (planet e) aux 88 - my a.u.x. mind 12 (direct beat) alien fm 2x12 (430 west/direct beat) r-tyme - trance fusion transmat urban culture - the wonders of wishing (trance fusion) shake - club scam (trance fusion) electronic warfare 2x12 (UR) ISF 3x12 (UR) chez n trent - i never knew love, the choice, don't try, all the ones on kms...i don't have any of the really dope prescription/balance ones or i'd list those.. and lots more.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Apr 27, 2007 12:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Most Cherished 313 Vinyl. these are up there http://www.discogs.com/release/1033 http://www.discogs.com/release/37883 http://www.discogs.com/release/4277 http://www.discogs.com/release/29808 http://www.discogs.com/release/4853 http://www.discogs.com/release/23835 what a cruel exercise MEK Lee Herrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 04/27/2007 10:59:06 AM: It's Friday, and I'm curious. What would you cats consider your most prized piece of 313-related vinyl? For me, if you'd care to know, it would have to be Dan Curtin's Silicon Dawn LP. I remember someone from DEEP records turning me on to that release, and from there I just started eating up anything with a similar sound. Discuss. Cheers, lrh
(313) Âme Fiori =RiR remixed!
o! ..just listened and was surprised to discover it's an obvious remix of Rhythim is Rhythim Icon (has the same strings, hard to miss those!)...and it's pretty dope imo! I got passed an mp3, I glanced at discogs and it doesn't look like it's out yet? What's the deal?
Re: (313) Âme
Interesting tune but it's not really a remix. Is it even a sample? (same machine made the strings praps) hmm well ok then. exact same strings, and i hear more than a little influence in the percussion too, and the whole thing sounds like carl craig doing his krauty thing done by krauts, so close enough. i quite like the icon strings on it and think they add a lot to the track. without them it's just decent slower trancey ame medolic stuff and some sorta drexciyan squiggles over the top...but nothing special. i was just excited for the icon connection.
Re: (313) madlib -
fantasy is indeed from LA and was a big Jazz label as well, which fits madlib's thing for sure.. -Original Message- From: paul mouser [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Apr 13, 2007 11:26 AM To: Carlos de Brito [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) madlib - the other side - los angeles/cybotron cheers Carlos great site, been listening to this mix this arvo at work, some nice beats; http://www.buoyancy.org.uk/mixes/credibles-moment-of-clarity-mix On 13/04/07, Carlos de Brito [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: listening to that new madlib mix called the other side - los angeles, first mix in a new series from timeout magazine, next is from ellen allien dedicated to berlin (more infos here: http://berkeleyplace.wordpress.com/2007/04/04/on-the-other-side-los-angeles-and-berlin/). proper, diverse mix (incl. one of my rap faves, freestyle fellowship - parkbench people!), but i'm wondering why the mispelled cybertron better known as cybotron and his legendary clear is on that mix, as each mix seems to focus on music from or about the respective city (see: wayne county the electric chairs - berlin in ellen's mix)? did he live in L.A. at that time, or was/is fantasy a label from L.A.? c*
Re: (313) New Dance Show info
yeah they're awfully fun to watch! i would love to see them compiled on dvd or something..if anybody knows any of the producers of the show or can get ahold of the original tapes somehow...ha. would be good for those who like to dance in front of the tv anyway...nice and close to the couch a -Original Message- From: Patrick Wacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Apr 11, 2007 1:09 AM To: list 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) New Dance Show info I have been checking out clips of the New Dance Show that aired on Detroit TV in the early 90s. Does anyone have more info about this show? How long it ran for and who was selecting the music for this show?... it's incredible! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P3W7peXtwA Check out the rest of this guys vids. Thanks, Patrick. --- Southern Outpost Sydney - San Francisco - Berlin http://www.southernoutpost.com ---
RE: (313) Footage of C2 in San Francisco
what records? b :P not how i'm used to watching dj's shop..that aint digging...and i think it's kinda weird/pointless..i like the part with the baile funk cd tho.. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Apr 11, 2007 5:01 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Footage of C2 in San Francisco That's the geekiest, most trainspottery thing I've ever seen - watching a DJ record shopping! I like it! Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Greg Earle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 April 2007 21:34 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Footage of C2 in San Francisco XLR8R TV, episode 2: 10 minutes of Carl Craig, pulling some obscure records at Aquarius Records in San Francisco. http://revision3.com/xlr8rtv/craig - Greg # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel 4, 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX. VAT no. GB 626475817 #
Re: (313) Fw: Fwd: Detroit's best kept secret
yeah i gotta agree..very promising stuff but a little noodley and too much standard funk in the basslines if you know what i mean...but i like the more out there stuff for sure! and there is definitely something unique and special about the feeling of the music, personal...that scores big with me.. whatsup with atlanta's best kept secret, men with no bones?!?! -Original Message- From: David Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Apr 10, 2007 11:08 AM To: Jeffrey Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Fw: Fwd: Detroit's best kept secret Hi, I had never heard of them before this mention either ... If you go to their web page the music link goes to their juno mp3 page. I went and listened to all the cuts. Most of it was too much on the noodley/downtempo-house side for my taste, but I can definitely say that I was feeling Moonhacker and Solitaire, I'll probably pick those two up. ~David On 4/9/07, Jeffrey Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ummm...what did i miss? I have never heard of them, and with the reviews heard here today I am curious about them. --- Mike Melody [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Lou Sifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fw: Fwd: Detroit's best kept secret Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 07:10:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fwd: Detroit's best kept secret is coming out strong... www.oliverwhofactory.com Peace! Sounds like a good record from what I heard. whadda think Tim? We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 _ Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon. http://games.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmemailtaglineapril07 TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
(313) new/upcoming delsins
now in rotation on c-b-s! one of the taho tracks playing right nurrr, and it's already growing on me (it was my least favorite of the new batch)...superdeep! http://cbs.nu
Re: (313) dmay
yeah i agree there is that perception of derrick...i have never met him, but i kinda had that impression, sometimes he comes off a little pompous or something in interview clips etc -- but it's always enjoyable too...i think it was in high tech soul that other detroit guys are affectionately poking fun at him, with respect tho, it spoke volumes and was one of the main things about the movie that left an impression -Original Message- From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Apr 8, 2007 2:09 PM To: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED], Christopher O'Grady [EMAIL PROTECTED], list 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Aril Brikha Fair enough, but in the case of Derrick, there is a perception though and I don't think it's necessarily fair. But then I just finished reading Rupert Everett's autobiog and people think he sounds arrogant in that but I think he's anything but so it's interesting how people perceive things and react differently. I was just interested in general. On 09/04/2007, at 2:23 AM, Robert Taylor wrote: I didn't attach that particular comment to anyone. Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 April 2007 16:00 To: Robert Taylor Cc: Martin Dust; Christopher O'Grady; list 313 Subject: Re: (313) Aril Brikha I find it strange people say that of Derrick. He's an incredibly open and generous person to strangers. People grow and evolve too. He may have had some youthful braggadocio, but what young male doesn't? He remains one of the most articulate spokespeople for techno. In what way do you feel that? On 07/04/2007, at 7:01 PM, Robert Taylor wrote: The quickest way to make an artist disappear up his own arsehole is to treat him with 'respect' Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 April 2007 07:37 To: Robert Taylor; Christopher O'Grady; list 313 Subject: Re: (313) Aril Brikha I agree with Rob, the list is pretty balanced I think. m - Original Message - From: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Christopher O'Grady [EMAIL PROTECTED]; list 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: RE: (313) Aril Brikha Have a bit of respect What a load of guff If you think something is crap, you should say so Rob Taylor # # ### Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel 4, 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX. VAT no. GB 626475817 # # ### ## ### Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel 4, 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX. VAT no. GB 626475817 ## ###
(313) D May motor mouth 4/26
Speaking of D May, he's going to be giving a lecture here in Chapel Hill, NC on Thursday, April 26th, at a site on the university campus (as part of the little annual local electronic music festival here)...I forget what the topic is, but well something about black music and dance music in the USA. Afterwards, he's doing a DJ set, as is Stacey Pullen, and $tinkworx (me) and I think Ja'Maul Redmond (whatsup!) are playing live. I have no idea what kind of event this is going to turn out to be, dance music in an academic forum ugg hmmm e maybe...but well if anybody is in the southeast usa or on the east coast, maybe you'd be interested in coming...get in touch if so. jt
(313) Delsin in high gear
marsel you are killing me!!! he passed me mp3's of these: 61dsr new world aquarium 62dsr d5 63dsr quince 64dsr redshape 65dsr taho nwaq - 5 brilliant short tracks. i don't even understand how you can make such deep intimate music in the space of 1.5 minutes (like the a3)...rox is the killer for me on here at 3 mins, dancefloor destroyer that only the extra talented dj's (or digital ones) will be able to be pull off at that length..ungh d5 - i loved the first 1 or 2 d5 releases, then they got a bit vague and lost me...but b2 on here is super, raw and chewy bassline that grabs you from the start oh ye quince - a1 and esp a2 got me here, a1 kinda bfc/c2 but different, a2 got a little bit more juan influence, top quality detroit techno and sounding current not retro.. redshape - godda!..3x minimal raw dancefloor jackers, tough and deep at the same time, loopy but not, tense strings coming in over the top, beat change-ups, oh man. + 1x beatless raw synth jam ala c2...perfect record, prob the best redshape ep i have heard so far taho - 1 slightly abstract deep c2/quince style (deep catchy arpeggio bassline), 1 real slamming deep dubby one, a little generic but nice, and another dubby one on the flip that has more detroit character, nice pads and tinkley percussion, chord stabs...nice debut! plus it looks like all of these were mastered at dm, and they sound extra good! seriously..imo delsin has gone to another level ever since planet delsin/release #50...as deep as ever but much more of an eye on the dancefloor, more high quality than ever (so prob no more stinkworx bs hah)...going exactly where i think deep techno needs to go and staying consistently high quality...really inspiring, really keeping the techno torch burning, really keeping me hopeful about the future of techno...thanks so much for doing it marsel...i'm inspired
(313) new old chit
i got some records while i was over in europe last month.. aardvarck - cult copy 2xLP (w/DVD inside too) -- to me, shockingly good, way more accessible than i expected it to be. at least 4 or 5 rough minimal detroit kinda things on here that i'll keep coming back to (and the more out-there chit is nice too, some nice deep interludey ones), sounding like a mix between carl craig and dan curtin..package design is brilliant as well, nice dvd nipple inside the gatefold cover..haven't checked the dvd aardvarck - cult copy remixes pt.2 (2000 and one, dexter) -- dexter mix is hard to decide on. it's got that too-clean, too-tight, kinda noisey sound that he always has, here reminding me more towards berlin than usual. but the bassline is cool and the tightness would probably make it sound good in the mix. 2000 and one remix is boring. some pretty typical techno chords thru a filter. and a beat. disappointing. i got the pt.1 as well, with the quince remix which is probably great, but my copy went home with gerard by accident.. iridite #6 -- a-side seems a little dated at first: techno with a deep house sensibility and vocal snippets (club friendly but undergroundy at the same time, real mid-90's sounding to my ears) -- but by the end of the track it gets so dp, sounding like orlando voorn vs prescription. the b-side is more minimal/percussive techno, quality stuff tho. esp the b2 which is all electric hihats and beats and raw tones, rambling synthesizers, the sort of track that really stands out in the mixgreat techno record iridite #7 -- a-side is JB doing a 135bpm UR/orlando voorn style monster. awesome funky clav, delayed out chords, stabby chords, chugging sub-bass...heard it played out in manchester and glasgow and it was 'UGE! in fact i thought it was a great new ur record when i heard it played the first time. essential! b1 is a real nice acid-electro track, which eventually adds some gorgeous dmay style strings -- pretty great! b2 begins more on the side of cavernous, percussive techno-house, but these bright chords emerge from the mix and there's some nice soul samples (from phuture's spirit i believe), the bassline gets wayyy better, a little orlando style again5 star record, 10/10...deep techno for da club. iridite coming strong with these new two! substance vainqueur - reverberation -- pretty typical basic channel/chain reaction, in dancefloor mode...it's no M4 but it's pretty nice and deep and clearly from the BC crew.. a bunch of kenny larkin re-issues on rush hour. they're ok. 1 really good track on each maybe. i wasn't the biggest fan of this stuff when it first came out but some of it is great. i think i didn't manage to get the one i really want, with the Pod stuff vince watson - sublimina 2xLP -- i haven't really liked anything by vince that much yet, good but generic...haven't checked this yet. i'm working on my dj skills now so maybe i'll start appreciating his stuff more for how it works in the mix.. soul 223 - all city -- steve stasis with his dope detroit house style chit...the a2, with the vocal snips, is it for meso so great! i'm way late i know e.r.p. - alsoran -- yayyy. deep, melancholy, sweet and emotional electro/techno from gerard. this is on frantic flowers, but there is another e.r.p. coming later on frustrated funk as well. also the e.r.p. dLVEXT2 will be re-pressed this summer with new mastering john davis - flashcan 2xLP -- sounding like a re-issue of nice old disco/freestyle/electrofunk stuff, like an obscure classic straight outta 84-86. john davis was apparently one of the real musicians/singers behind milli vanilli says discogs. ha! i had some more stuff, like the newest d5 on delsin and some others..but they all went home with gerard by accident. btw, i keep seeing people talking about redshape and how big he is right now, and marvelling about how few records he's put out to be so big...but i just noticed the other day that he's actually released something like 8 records in the last year or so. that's a lot. looking forward to checking out his new millions of moments thing tho, as well as the other records on that label. what's the deal with MoM? jt ps apologies for the silence to all the people who have written me/gerard since our return from europe. we've both been lying way low and incommunicado, but will get in touch soon...
Re: (313) US record stores with internet mail order
special order? not quite sure what you mean, but the main spots i hit: http://dancerecords.com ..based out of san diego or somewhere -- really strikes me as the new groovetech...broad stock, excellent re-order system, cheap shipping, cheap prices, realtime stock, very streamlined and straightforward website http://planetxusa.com ..based out of philly i think...kinda flakey site, but reliable...some good peeps used to work there http://www.turntablelab.com ..dc/baltimore based i think...all you need for new baltimore style sh;t, hot new hiphop singles, and they have a nice selection of classic house and electro reissues etc..starting to order clone and delsin related stuff too, nice,... -Original Message- From: Jeffrey Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mar 20, 2007 1:46 PM To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) US record stores with internet mail order or no internet mail order. I am trying to find some US based stores who can special order records for me and mail them to the middle of nowhere. I have found two so far, but one has kinda slow service and the other is kind of expensive: www.waxaddict.com www.daliciousmonster.com/Recastow/collection.php Any others?? It seems in the time I spent broke, a whole bunch of good stores shut down or closed their dance room (ahhhm). Thanks Jeff Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097
Re: (313) Did someone ask me for ghetto mixes?
ditto! milton (and jammin gerald) made most of my most favorite stuff on dancemania -Original Message- From: Detroit Techno Militia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Feb 11, 2007 9:40 PM To: list 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Did someone ask me for ghetto mixes? I would LOVE a copy, if you put it up. On 2/11/07, kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was looking for my cassette head cleaner and came across a mixtape DJ Milton gave me almost 10 years ago. It's called 'Rowdy Rowdy' and credts both Milton and DJ Urban. This is from the long series of tapes Milton put out back in the day to make rent -- He used to drive around Chicago with a trunkful of tapes and sell them for cash to record stores and bodegas. Is there enough interest in this for me to record it and put up an mp3 file? -- Detroit Techno Militia http://www.detroittechnomilitia.com
RE: (313) jamal moss remix
i take it jamal's mix is the 326 mix? is that a chi area code? or a sendoff to the old 3.2.6. records on muzique and dancemania (which are deffo up jamal's alley)? -Original Message- From: Paul Kendrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jan 12, 2007 7:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) jamal moss remix I have a few of the Emphasis 12s and there wicked, very 313 sounding -Original Message- From: Mislav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 January 2007 12:36 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) jamal moss remix Hi everyone! http://www.juno.co.uk/products/246090-01.htm thought maybe you would like to check this.. just came out! also, would recommend to check previous releases on this Tang's label called Emphasis Recordings. Yo list! Have a nice weekend
RE: (313) jamal moss remix
thats good trivia! -Original Message- From: jurren baars [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jan 12, 2007 10:46 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) jamal moss remix J to the T wrote: i take it jamal's mix is the 326 mix? is that a chi area code? or a sendoff to the old 3.2.6. records on muzique and dancemania (which are deffo up jamal's alley)? 326 (usually, in the chicago house community) refers to one of the old addresses the muzic box was located at one point (326 Lower Michigan Ave). People on DHP messageboard are always discussing what location was best/where did ron hardy beat the box hardest/etc. jurren _ Live Search, for accurate results! http://www.live.nl
Re: (313) What's happened to rhythms?
i havent seen that one around, im definitely down for getting that balance and prescription stuff, just not at the crazy second hand prices. theyre just not worth that to me! i do wish theyd do real straight up represses instead of the one sided one tune version, but ill take what i can get... the morning factory repress (actually it was an unreleased mix) was 1-sided, but the hip to be disillusioned one is 2 sides, 2 tracks i do wish those chi labels would start doing straight up represses instead of the licensing reissues. if these reissues can be arranged, why arent these cats lining up to do the whole catalogues of some of those labels? theyd make mad bank and bring back so much music that is awesome and just isnt out there because of the crazy rarity.. whole catalogs of what labels? i can't think of a label where every release demands a repress and i doubt that would be a successful business strategy...i don't really care if they're licensed or not, as long as they keep the super hard to find classics coming...
Re: (313) What's happened to rhythms?
thats a little better, but the original is 4 tracks. thats what annoys me. yeah, well, whatrya gonna do...beggars cant be choosers...i would like that better too of course.. warehouse is one right off the top of my head. westbrook is another (maybe not EVERY one, but almost all of them). muzique is another, ha! well maybe you and i would be after every release, but i don't think the more obscure ones would sell too well in general..but who knows...actually i dont even agree...would love to have them all, but starting with the hottest most essential ones would be more reasonable..i like the old stuff thats been coming out on muzique, but i havent bought any of them yet because the ones i've heard are not really essential imo..
Re: (313) What's happened to rhythms?
that larry heard/mr white record is soo good. instant classic! i think i'm one of the few that isnt excited by marcus mixx...it's kinda cool...too percussive and not enough groove for me... is moxie 10 that chow daddy thing? sounded very nice! i assume it's re/edits? it's not new anymore, but did you get that potelea mbali record on stir15? so good! even if it's pretty much just two similar versions of one track... arne's new record on styrax is fantastic! what about the latest arpanet and urban tribe things? already got? as for rhythms, i'm not bothered at all by boom tsk boom tsk. i spend at least half my listening time listening to old classic stuff that has real simple beats like that -- albeit with some snares and claps etc sprinkled on top too usually. i am not too into the super clean compressed ableton-ed to hell version of that beat, with glossy minimal pointless synth crap on top...cheap, where's the beef? but i am much more annoyed by stuff like reggaeton, where every single track has that same stuttered kick pattern that seems diametrically opposed to funkiness. and honestly, i am mostly really really really sick of disco edits, disco re-edits, new disco, etc etc. everybody and their mom trying to sound like disco from 25 years ago, or wishing they were at cosmic, and ignoring all the dance music that's came since in their dj-ing and listening habits. i love disco, and there's some good new stuff, but loads and loads of filler, and i feel like it's really clamping down on new good original house music the same way that minimal stuff is on good new techno. stop the homogenization plase! -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jan 9, 2007 10:46 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) What's happened to rhythms? On 1/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm just asking questions to figure out why I can't find any decent sh*t to buy in the techno section of Juno's new releases. yeah i just did a catching up set of overseas ordering. i listened to 10 tons of stuff. i ended up ordering this stuff: both marcus mixx 12s mr white on alleviated recloose landed hoodmusic 1 hoodmusic 2 larry levan beat track (larry 08 i think?) 69 lite music in sync storm moxie 10 which sadly enough is mostly by people i already buy most stuff from, and a large portion of this is old. i had way money to spend but couldnt find anything good to buy in any genre! tom
Re: (313) What's happened to rhythms?
what about the latest arpanet and urban tribe things? already got? i wasnt feeling those so much. not that they were bad, but i guess i was looking for something different. im not always in an electro-ish mood you crazy. those are both extremely good albums that deserve more than to just be lumped off as electro..they are soundtracks..real albums...urban tribe especially brings a lot of really unpredictable and amazing sounds, complex arrangements...i'm not always in the mood for anything, but those are essentials if you ask me... in the meantime, ive been trying to look for more older stuff that i like, been digging alot of jazz recently and some 90s house (got some nice strictly rhythm joints recently, one of the Logic 12s and haha yeah lately i'm listening to tons of old strictly stuff and kicking myself for writing the label off and not paying more attention before... also i picked up that hip to be disillusioned re-release on prescription classicso deep but so dancefloor...more more...repress the circulation on balance plase! and the abacus! etc etc...and i picked up the mdIII re-release on clone classic...can't believe let it be house wasnt included tho...argh. i would like to see more classic house re-releases and less disco madness...repress the serious grooves catalog! i just found mp3's of claude young's lowkey stuff from sg...who...i love his techno stuff on frictional and 7th city, but his house stuff is amazing too and totally different...so many great inspiring old records i still have never heard...meanwhile the newest trend is squeezed dry and stomped into the ground...as ever..
(313) yo Bleep43 london
have been trying to get ahold of Toby but he must be on holiday...can any of you guys get in touch re the london convextion gig in march? thanks!
Re: (313) Oslo Detroit Closes
thanks for that john... oslo was a cool place and this is sad news... ps ...'sco !? haha i like it -Original Message- From: John Sokolowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dec 28, 2006 11:52 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Oslo Detroit Closes Oslo no more http://metrotimes.com/%5Ceditorial%5Cstory.asp?id=10006 First the sushi was gone, then the dance club went silent. Now the questions are piling up. Electronic music aficionados and fans of Japanese food (like the News Hits staff) are mourning the closing of Oslo, the downtown sushi bar and techno dance club that is now shuttered, likely forever, according to one of the owners. It was this unique place, because it seems as if in a good majority of nightlife options in the dance world in Detroit the music is more of a wallpaper for the social aspects of what's going on instead of being the main centerpiece, says Rob Theakston, the longtime Detroit electronic musician who had been scheduled to play Oslo's New Year's Eve show. Owner Brook Campbell told News Hits the closure resulted from bias against himself as a gay man, disputes with landlords and threats against his life. I immediately realized this is not something I wanted to continue to do, he told News Hits last week. But Theakston says rumors of closure were blowing around for a year. There were a lot of different staff changes over a long period of time, he says. Opened in April 2004, Oslo's menu included the usual sushi bar offerings of rolls, nigiri, edamame and sashimi. Partners Campbell and Sameer Reddy had worked for about four years to put the place together, according to published reports. But the paper trail of trouble began at least a year ago. According to the Michigan Liquor Control Commission, at least six checks from Oslo in 2005 were returned for insufficient funds. The club was ordered to pay vendors with certified checks, cashier's checks, money orders or cash, state records show. I cannot dispute that one, two, three, seven out of a thousand checks written in the past year have come back, but that's not what's at issue here, Campbell says. According to the City of Detroit finance department, the summer tax bill of $3,640 has not been paid. It was due Aug. 15. Campbell says he had no knowledge of the missed payment. The club also has operated with several different business names. According to the Michigan Department of Consumer and Liability Services, Oslo Associates LLC, Oslo Detroit LLC, Oslo LLC, and Oslo Inc. have all used the 1456 Woodward Ave. address. I think all four are mistaken, Campbell tells News Hits. The state of Michigan is not known for never making a mistake. According to Matt Abbott, a former manager, the club stopped paying him and at least some other employees several weeks ago. After the sushi chefs quit in protest, the restaurant closed. The club was open a few more weekends, but the party ended on the evening of Friday, Dec. 15, when Oslo didn't open. No one can get a positive answer on what's happening, Abbott says. And that's left Theakston planning a New Year's Eve home with his pug and reflecting on what Oslo meant to Detroit. Oslo was this really unique place where music was given an incredible amount of credence and room to experiment, Theakston says. It was so diverse. One night you would have Kenny Dixon Jr. and Theo Parrish playing classic 'sco and really obscure house; the next night you would have a gay night like Sass, and then the night after that Houseshoes would be playing hip hop down there. Waitress Ash Nowak, who also was the gallery curator for rotating art exhibits at Oslo, says she feels sorry for the customers. Everyone knew us. Everyone came there, whether it be people that were our loyal dinner crowd or loyal to the music scene. People always showed up, she says. Owed about $510, Nowak, a Wayne State fine arts major, says she is looking for work. It's been so frustrating. We wanted to help it so much because it's such a great place, she says. News Hits is edited by Curt Guyette. _ Get FREE Web site and company branded e-mail from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/
RE: (313) speaking of Convextion...
they are. and we have repeatedly asked people to respect the artist's wishes and not share his unreleased demo's on p2p. if you see these files, please show some integrity and just leave them alone. i know most people will succumb to their own curiosity and think it's harmless to download them, no one will know...but no. NOT COOL. anyone who downloads these files is sharing a part of the robbery with the thief who originally nabbed them off our server. -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dec 21, 2006 9:06 AM To: list 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) speaking of Convextion... These may well be illegal copies of the misappropriated tracks 'hacked' from the dl server some years ago... -Original Message- From: Ivan Tomasevic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 December 2006 14:03 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) speaking of Convextion... i've stumbled across a double CD on Soulseek that is, allegedly, done by Convextion (promo CD with 6 tracks on each CD), so i was wondering if theese are really Convextion tracks or is this some sort of trick. any help? --
(313) Convextion album now on iTunes
spam! but thought some people would like to know... http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewArtist?id=208840096
Re: (313) Convextion album now on iTunes
yes, all major mp3 sites very soon...think iTunes just gets it first.. -Original Message- From: kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dec 19, 2006 1:40 PM To: J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Convextion album now on iTunes Which is great, but will it be on bleep.com or beatport.com for those who haven't been assimilated by iPod yet? On 12/19/06, J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: spam! but thought some people would like to know... http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewArtist?id=208840096
Re: FW: (313) Berlin - Lasting club nights
Convextion ( $tinkworx) Big Europe Midified Tour is going something like Feb 24th (Sat) - Berlin - Panorama Bar March 2nd (Fri) - Amsterdam tbc March 3rd (Sat) - Paris - Le Bataclan March 9th (Fri) - London tbc March 10th (Sat) - Glasgow there will probably be a couple smaller shows/cities added in as well -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dec 18, 2006 5:58 AM To: 313@Hyperreal.Org 313@hyperreal.org Subject: FW: (313) Berlin - Lasting club nights Never mind your obtuse prose we want DATES (and places). ;-P -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Possibilities being kept warm by a process of convection, perhaps ... -Original Message- From: António Alves Felizardo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sounds good! Any more european gigs planned? On Dec 15, 2006, at 1:29 PM, Toby Frith wrote: Having said that, I'll be at Berghain at the end of Feb for a certain Dallas-based dude.
RE: (313) new Convextion playing on the CBS as I type this
thanks, but i dont get what you are trying to say andrew?...cbs has been playing the album since september -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dec 14, 2006 10:52 AM To: list 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Convextion playing on the CBS as I type this -- sound design/music production course: http://andrew-duke.com/course.html Chain Reaction downloadable samplepack: http://www.audiobase.com/product/SACR Andrew Duke--Consumer vs. User album: http://www.phthalo.com/cat.php?cat=phth40 artist features column: http://cognitionaudioworks.com/read.html http://myspace.com/andrewduke http://myspace.com/cognitionaudioworks * Thanks Andrew, there's almost as much news as advertisement in that last post! (Excuse me, I couldn't resist. :)
(313) Re: () NOTHING WHATEVER TO DO WITH BEN SIMS -- STFU
oh geez. fwiw kent, the black sheep lyric is a joke. i thought that would be obvious. it's from a track called u mean i'm not? which pokes fun at gangsta rap. and it's from an album truly is one of the best hiphop albums of all time (they were part of the early native tongues crew -- de la soul, tribe called quest, jungle bros, and black sheep) -Original Message- From: kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dec 12, 2006 8:36 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) NOTHING WHATEVER TO DO WITH BEN SIMS -- STFU If anyone wants to keep talking about this move it to private e-mail. And when you want to make a point, leave the grossly misogynistic hip hop lyrics out of it. I spend a lot of time trying to explain how ghettotech and booty house aren't really about hating women, but that Black Sheep lyric was beyond the pale for me.
Re: (313) Ben Sims hiphopfunkdiscosoulelectro mix up
wtf is wrong with you tom? whether it was by accident or not, word is born has been around for almost 20 years, and everybody from public enemy to jay-z has said it. do you care about public enemy? tribe called quest? de la? i mean c'mon. you are making a really stupid argument this time. you said you'd never heard word is born used before in your life -- first of all, that's nonsense if you listen to hiphop at all, 2nd of all, we could easily give you thousands of examples of it being used, dissing and writing off Run DMC as if they're the only ones who used it is what's ignorant. i mean point taken about word is bond being the origin from which ..born spring, but the rest of your argument is 100% ridiculous. sorry. there's no debate. youre someone who doesnt know what he's talking about, misusing phrases you dont understand from a culture youre not part of. word is born is meaningless nonsense, i dont care if Run DMC said it or not. does that make you look hiphop to use those rap words? f*ck you. tom
Re: (313) Ben Sims hiphopfunkdiscosoulelectro mix up
you smoke crack tom. loads of people say word is born. all the native tongues used it i'm sure and loads and loads of others. like anybody who talks in hiphop slang is trying to pay attention to grammar?! ah yes. and forthwith i quote Drez from Black Sheep A Wolf in Sheep's Clothing (one of the best hiphop albums of all time): ...Went to my sister's room, yo b*tch, wake up You stupid *ss, dirty *ss, nasty *ss sl*t Shot her in the leg, shot her in the thigh Kick her in the p*ssy and punched her in the eye Slapped her in the head, stepped on her corn Don't f*ck with mine b*tch, word is born -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dec 9, 2006 11:32 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Ben Sims hiphopfunkdiscosoulelectro mix up On 12/9/06, Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Run DMC aint it? ive never heard someone say word is born ever in my life. ive heard people say word is bond enough though. i think run dmc were/are on crack? was anyone listening to them in 1990? tom
Re: (313) 3 years weblog: MP3RebelbassCD
does each track have to be downloaded individually? i would love to check this thing out, but all i can find is a load of seperate track links, and when i download any one of them, the file is like 379847.mp3 which makes the whole thing kind of a hassle to sort out. am i missing something simpler? don't mean to be complaining or anything... -Original Message- From: Rebelbass/bookings [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dec 9, 2006 4:46 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) 3 years weblog: MP3RebelbassCD Hi Celebrating the 3 years anniversary of my weblog with a 16 track dnwld mp3 cd compilation of dutch artists who donated (exclusive and live) tracks. Amongst them are: duplex, alden tyrell, like a tim , peel seamus, funckarma, and more. We designed also 2 sleeves for dnwld. So ripp it, cut it, burn it, and enjoy! http://3voor12.vpro.nl/weblogs/rebelbass/bericht/32002557 Cheers Lady aida / rebelbass
Re: (313) Mr. Watson
i like the sound of the rendezvous track, not super special, but lovely and big...the renaissance track has a bit of a trancey new age feeling to it, not for me... -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dec 5, 2006 7:04 PM To: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Mr. Watson Really? The clips are a tad too short for the full vibe but this is like pure sunshine Tom. Some of his best work I feel. It's getting loads of repeat play at Dust Towers... m - Original Message - Sound Clips: http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF247654-01-01-01.mp3 http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF247654-01-02-01.mp3 im just not feeling this one. first planet e in years that i wont be picking up (i think the last one before this was the remixes of todd sines' 12 back in 02. tom
Re: FW: (313) the connection machine
it actually came out 2 years ago.. it is primarily a listening album, hence the cd only. just don't think it would have moved many copies on vinyl...and to press a few hundred would have cost the same as doing the entire run of cd's. there's a new connection machine 12 coming from us in march/april...with all new material, dark dreamy and not far off from some of carl craig's stuff..a little more dancefloor friendly this time -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Nov 24, 2006 12:04 PM To: 313@Hyperreal.Org 313@hyperreal.org Subject: FW: (313) Berlin this past weekend But it is CD only (according to Discogs)..? Probably why I haven't heard / heard of it. Someone shoot JT ;-) -Original Message- From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 November 2006 16:57 The Connection Machine LP was one of the best releases of last year.
Re: (313) Best Detroit Synth riffs
hmm those tracks dont seem to have much in the way of riffs to me as they dont seem big on short and repetitive catchy melodic bits. they're lean a bit more to the deep, meandering noodle-y side, in a good way. but maybe riff has a certain connotation in my head...to me a riff has got a certain kinda groove to it, beyond just being a short repetitive melodic bit... for riffs i would go with juan, eddie fowlkes, mk, and orlando voorn... juan - i-94, game one, the chase eddie - the truth, groovin, cbr mk - nightcrawlers remix, i never knew love remix orlando - dance, moments in measures and honorable mention to ron cook - ffwd this happens to be my absolute favorite stuff too. actually according to wikipedia there is no solid definition of what a riff is... -Original Message- From: Ian Cheshire [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Nov 23, 2006 10:55 AM To: Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Best Detroit Synth riffs well have to say my fav is It Is What It Is and boy is that hard one to mix in but I love it.. 6Music on BBC are doing top ten Synth Riffs. http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/events/future/topten.shtml Notice the shocking omission of Strings of Life at the very least. So, what are your top 10 Detroit Synth riffs? For ball-by-ball coverage, instant match reports and analysis follow the Ashes at www.telegraph.co.uk/ashes This e-mail is from Telegraph Media Group Limited - 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT registered in England under No 451593. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private and confidential. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Neither we nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan attachments (if any). The content of this email does not necessarily reflect our views or those of our officers and we take no responsibility for the views of the author. Emails sent and received may be read by people other than the intended recipient and may be monitored to ensure efficient operation of our email systems. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded for training and quality control purposes and for confirming orders and information. -- www.midnightbeats.de www.tekknikexprimental.de www.kube72.com www.myspace.com/kubeseventy2
Re: (313) Best Detroit Synth riffs
o yes i very foolishly left inner city and kms off my list...definitely super riffy to my ears, loads of little catchy bits -Original Message- From: Ian Cheshire [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Nov 23, 2006 11:09 AM To: Hamish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Best Detroit Synth riffs ahh good choice Big Fun as well Simple but effective Yes, well Strings of Life was huge, of course, and a must. Orbital's 'Chime' also springs to mind. On 11/23/06, Ian Cheshire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well have to say my fav is It Is What It Is and boy is that hard one to mix in but I love it.. 6Music on BBC are doing top ten Synth Riffs. http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/events/future/topten.shtml Notice the shocking omission of Strings of Life at the very least. So, what are your top 10 Detroit Synth riffs? For ball-by-ball coverage, instant match reports and analysis follow the Ashes at www.telegraph.co.uk/ashes This e-mail is from Telegraph Media Group Limited - 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT registered in England under No 451593. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private and confidential. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Neither we nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan attachments (if any). The content of this email does not necessarily reflect our views or those of our officers and we take no responsibility for the views of the author. Emails sent and received may be read by people other than the intended recipient and may be monitored to ensure efficient operation of our email systems. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded for training and quality control purposes and for confirming orders and information. -- www.midnightbeats.de www.tekknikexprimental.de www.kube72.com www.myspace.com/kubeseventy2 -- www.midnightbeats.de www.tekknikexprimental.de www.kube72.com www.myspace.com/kubeseventy2
RE: (313) Convextion
Well done to you, Minto and not forgetting Gerald! And wishing you all continued good fortune. hehe it's gerard but thanks ken! @ rob taylor ..there will be a cd but it won't be out until march of 2007 and will have a slightly different tracklist (hint to those with the vinyl -- the beatless d2 track is actually excerpted from a 30 minute epic); in the meantime, the vinyl version of the album will be up on iTunes, bleep, beatport etc in jan/feb 07
RE: (313) Convextion
should keep going. She's 12 and pretty sharp. She was saying how all the other songs on the album change and it seems like this one wanted to change, but it just ends. I thought it was an awesome observation, but then I kept listening and it does. Man! Now I goa hear this. hehe dang that is some keen observationing! yeah it gets beats! and a really jacky bassline/sound mutates out of the depths, more little dubby touches...turns into a pretty dancefloor track somehow.. i'm pretty certain we'll be putting an edit of the track, with the beats, on vinyl too... sometime around the time of the album...
Re: (313) Convextion
thanks so much for that review Tristan. even if nobody else is as passionate about the album as you, your reaction alone is deeply gratifying and means a lot to us. very well written and thoughtful, you definitely hear it and appreciate it much the same way we do. minto i love gerard personally, so we're more than a little biased, but we agree with everything you said...i'm afraid to even read it to gerard because he will get all bashful and self-conscious about making more music! i especially agree that, yes, he is a master of synthesis and composition..and the mood and intimate feeling in his music is the reflection of a sensitive and beautiful human being that is just gerard thru and thru, it's really personal, and that's something i value very very highly in electronic music. the album is a reflection of over 10 years of his work, a lot of experiences in those years...it's just a deep thing all around for us and we're real proud of it, regardless of whether its commercial presentation is hyped or heartfelt. the cover has no deeper meaning other than it's pretty and techno, and pretty techno! our photog friend ryan guillot took it while he was in prague, yep. martin is right, d+m is indeed just a mastering house, the record was pressed at rand. both places were unbelievably kind to us. we are/were broke as hell and could not even afford to do the initial 500 pressings...except that we got unbelievable breaks from both d+m and rand. the whole process of making the record was really special and would not have happened without the help of a lot of great friends, and real diehard supporters of dance music as an artform (beyond just a niche dj market or dance-hipster trendy coolness etc etc). i hope people are not disappointed that we are going beyond our initial claim of limited to 500. it was never our intention to not meet demand, 500 was just all we could (not even) afford. now we are receiving lots of help from distribs to press more...so hopefully most people who are actively after the album will be able to get ahold of a copy eventually. blah blah zz right? but thanks everybody! jt -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Nov 19, 2006 3:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'list 313' 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Convextion B) While this may seem like a statement of the obvious, when his efforts in total are added up, and everything can still be picked out so cleanly in the mix, it is nothing short of a miracle. His production skills can't be faulted, and the pressing of his new album at D+M will only help to justly solidify this reputation. Great post T, but DM are a mastering house not a pressing plant or have I got hold of the wrong end of the stick. m
Re: (313) Put Your Hands Up For Detroit
i guess namechecking your city is cliche, but hey...it's natural, and i like it. it helps give the music context and identity that might not be readily apparent to most. of course it has to be done the right way and without dope music it's tired. and of course mis-representing is never cool, dutch trance trying to tie itself to Detroit is pretty offensive. Even if it actually sounded like classic Detroit stuff, it would still be pretty lame. that guy should just big-up Leiden or wherever he comes from.. ps i never get tired of the vision's one circle...actually i'm struggling to think of a track from Detroit that namechecks Detroit that I find tiresome... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Nov 3, 2006 11:41 AM To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Put Your Hands Up For Detroit I have to agree - DJs playing Scan 7's I'm from Detroit when they clearly aren't. I always thought that techno went beyond place and city. It's supposed to be interstellar - bring you beyond where you are (or wish you were just for street cred). The UR remix of Kraftwerk's Expo 2000 with the Detroit - Germany is interesting, imo, because it connects Detroit with the world outside. It looks towards Europe, something that the originators always did themselves. MEK fab. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/03/2006 08:01:45 AM: funny you should ask that i have alan oldham-detroit is burning and suburban knight-true to the game on my current playlist and recently boogied to the vision-detroit:one circle, all tracks that namecheck.every time i listen to those tracks i find the namechecking amusing and a little cheesy too detroit techno has namechecked detroit so many times that it now seems as its a sort of clich�, like rappers representin' their city of provenance. i just feel that's it's not very technoie. futuristic, anonymous machine music, but rather a seemingly gratuitous and crass statement in a song that would otherwise have a more subtle and implied one, or none at all. ok, flame away.;) fab. np: b52's - mesopotamia (more namechecking.) What are people's views on it namechecking Detroit?
Re: FW: (313) 7/10 record boxes
my dad deals with them. they're mostly classical. not really much interesting to saythey're big, yep! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Oct 30, 2006 5:48 AM To: 313@Hyperreal.Org 313@hyperreal.org Subject: FW: (313) 7/10 record boxes Wow I just had a look at this and they do stuff for 16 records! I've hardly ever seen these - I think I only really became aware of them when I saw a load on display in a shop in Sao Paulo a few years back. Anybody got any experience / interesting tales? -Original Message- From: Adam Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 October 2006 20:28 I've ordered supplies from this company several times and it's always a painless process. http://www.bagsunlimited.com/
Re: (313) That New Omar S / usa distrib
So much for that hip hop... haha yeah, thas ok tho he's better at house! Too bad about Watts Music... yep another big distrib bites the dust...especially too bad for all the labels they owe loads of $$ to who really get the shaft... in other news and as 313 as it gets...i heard submerge distrib is going out too (not the retail side, just the distrib)...end of an era.. at least forced exposure has emerged as a big and good usa distrib in the last few years...any other light? it's dark in the usa...
Re: (313) That New Omar S / usa distrib
were they actually doing distro stuff though? we tried to order some stuff from them for our shop and they referred us to some distro or another saying they only sold to distros. which doesnt sound like a distro job to me. this was 2 years ago IIRC well i assume so as i just heard that news, and that now they will be going thru crosstalk among others... maybe you just didnt order stuff they actually distribute? i mean i thought that was the whole point to having two categories on the website, submerge labels vs other labels
Re: (313) Convextion - on Radio 1
the london gig was at the end of april -- and yes that's what it is jt -Original Message- From: Nik Stoltzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Oct 26, 2006 3:23 AM To: 313 Mailing List 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Convextion - on Radio 1 Hi, Just thought I?d let you all know I?ve just noticed that Mary Anne Hobbs will have a liveset from Convextion on the show on the 3rd of Nov (it?s now at 2am). I am trying not to get too excited because I suspect it will be an edit of the live-set from the London gig back in September. Anyway, just passing on the message. N -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/497 - Release Date: 25/10/2006
(313) Re: Convextion - Convextion (was Miranda)
haha hey ken, don't worry about missing out on the album, you're in the UK! we've got distribution there, it'll be around.. if you think you need to reserve a copy, the best place to do that would be rub-a-dub, as their distribution side (blackhole) is who's bringing all the uk copies over from rush hour. and thanks for your vote on the re-release format! sounds good to me...it's gerard's decision tho, he's officially in charge of dLVEXT as a dL sidelabel now -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Oct 23, 2006 9:50 AM To: J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ant�nio Alves Felizardo [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Convextion - Convextion (was Miranda) Right I'm putting in my bid for that rare re-release (!) of Convextion *right now* so I don't miss out again. Please take this as my order J.T.! :-) It's so rare it's rare before it's even re-released. Since you ask, how I personally would like it to appear is actually as the sole track on a one-sided record - definitely in 45rpm format - assuring maximum loudness, and with good-sized lead-in and run-out areas, making it super utilitarian but also beautiful to listen to as well, a la the Designer Music re-release of Good Girls. (And if you only listen to one of my suggestions, I hope that it's the 45- rpm one!)
(313) dan bean!
where'd you go? alternate contact, anybody??
Re: (313) paging dan bean
hey dan, i'm trying to get in touch with you but your email address is bouncing with permanent fatal errors, you got another one? jt
(313) convextion album available now spammy sorry
received finished copies today of the Convextion 2x12 dLVEXTLP at least until march of next year (when we may do a small repress to accompany the cd release), there are only 500 copies pressed, 40 of which we are keeping for ourselves and for direct orders. that leaves 455 going thru distribution channels -- released officially via Rush Hour Distribution on November 2nd. so hopefully (for us) it will sell quickly and become hard to find relatively quickly -- in the USA, you will have to order it direct from us or watch out for copies imported via european/uk distros, since we have no U.S. distribution and we are not working with any shops. orders from any country welcome tho. we are selling it direct for $25 a copy (plus exact shipping charges calculated by actual weight) -- sorry it's a bit pricey but it was a bit expensive to make (d+m mastering, 4-color album cover) and just having 40 copies shipped back to the USA was $$$, and even at this price we can't pay gerard nearly as much as he deserves...direct orders will also include an extra something special... as of right now we have about 15 copies to sell direct, first come first serve...all yous who already ordered copies, your copies will ship today sorry for the sales-pitch! jt ps we also have a handful of black vinyl copies of the e.r.p. dLVEXT2 12 if you wanna supersize your order
Re: (313) convextion album available now spammy sorry
sold out, thanks to all of you who ordered direct, it really helps us out a lot! jt
Re: (313) Convextion - Miranda
Didn't someone mention just a few weeks ago that Gerard and Sean didn't have any firm plans for the re-release of Matrix001? Yes. There are some problems with this record. Gerard is deciding whether he wants to be involved or not at the moment. The matrix release is planned as a 2x12 with the original track, as well as psykofuk, deepchord, and soultek remixes. it would be a large pressing. If the matrix release doesn't go forward -- or perhaps before it goes forward -- there will be a re-release on down low with only the original track and a new track, mastered at dm, just 300 copies or so. I kinda like this idea since tho it would be a re-release, the re-release would be even more rare, both old and new versions would be special..but we'll see what happens. Perhaps the matrix record will be trimmed down to just the remixes... i wonder if anyone has any opinions on how they'd like to see it re-released?
Re: (313) Convextion - Miranda
yes..would you rather see it re-released as part of a 2x12 with those remixes (and a 1000+ pressing), or re-released with a bonus unreleased track, with extra special mastering packaging (and very ltd)? what do you mean JT? you mean with remixes, edits stuff like that? i'm starting to dig the idea of remixes of tracks i like.. f.
(313) urgent contact info needed for Deepchord Soultek (Stephen Hillage)
Can anybody help me out? I tried the email addresses on the Deepchord website but the site looks kinda old... I found Stephen's Myspace page but he hasn't checked it in 2 weeks.. anybody got anything better? thanks
Re: (313) new clark
eh? chris clark? dunno who he is but he's not mark bell.. -Original Message- From: Philip [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Oct 4, 2006 12:43 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) new clark er do we know about this http://www.throttleclark.com/ scuse me if i missed it before philster
RE: (313) Elecktroids Elektroworld
isn't it cigarette lighter and didn't it come out on a japanese telecom record later? -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Oct 4, 2006 12:17 PM To: Andrew Duke [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Elecktroids Elektroworld The CD has a hidden track but it's very very familiar, so I think I've heard it elsewhere Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Andrew Duke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 October 2006 15:04 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Elecktroids Elektroworld Mark Cullen wrote: Next favour is some info on Elecktroids - Elektroworld http://www.discogs.com/release/3621 Does the 1995 original pressing also contain the bonus track mentioned on discogs? I want the original pressing if it has a different tracklist cos i'm odd like that. but if they have the same tracklisting im not fussed. every single seller ive asked over the past year has had the bonus track. is that because very few 1995 copies were made or because every copy has the bonus track? all help gratefully recieved :D I was lucky enough to get sent a white label from Warp when it was promoed. Are you talking about discrepancies on the CD or vinyl or both? Lemme know if you want me to dig out my vinyl and I can see what the tracks are. Andrew -- NSCC sound course http://andrew-duke.com/course.html Chain Reaction remix contest ends Sept 30: http://andrew-duke.com/contests.html Andrew Duke--Consumer vs. User album: http://www.phthalo.com/cat.php?cat=phth40 artist features column: http://cognitionaudioworks.com/read.html http://myspace.com/andrewduke # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
Re: (313) new Omar-S
Didn't I read on his myspace page that he was doing hiphop from now on (probs meaning the 110 ep)? This (111) sounds like house to me :) An observation not a complaint, mind :) wasn't it already pointed out that couldn't be serious, like..uh..everything aos says?? haha...he's got some funny pics on his myspace right now...who is the guy in the pokemon shirt with all the synths??
RE: (313) Elecktroids Elektroworld
doh http://www.discogs.com/release/3621 -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Oct 4, 2006 12:38 PM To: J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andrew Duke [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Elecktroids Elektroworld I don't think so, I try and remember to listen to it tonight - but I think you're right that it's a Japanese Telecom track Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: J.T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 October 2006 15:32 To: Robert Taylor; Andrew Duke; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Elecktroids Elektroworld isn't it cigarette lighter and didn't it come out on a japanese telecom record later? -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Oct 4, 2006 12:17 PM To: Andrew Duke [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Elecktroids Elektroworld The CD has a hidden track but it's very very familiar, so I think I've heard it elsewhere Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Andrew Duke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 October 2006 15:04 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Elecktroids Elektroworld Mark Cullen wrote: Next favour is some info on Elecktroids - Elektroworld http://www.discogs.com/release/3621 Does the 1995 original pressing also contain the bonus track mentioned on discogs? I want the original pressing if it has a different tracklist cos i'm odd like that. but if they have the same tracklisting im not fussed. every single seller ive asked over the past year has had the bonus track. is that because very few 1995 copies were made or because every copy has the bonus track? all help gratefully recieved :D I was lucky enough to get sent a white label from Warp when it was promoed. Are you talking about discrepancies on the CD or vinyl or both? Lemme know if you want me to dig out my vinyl and I can see what the tracks are. Andrew -- NSCC sound course http://andrew-duke.com/course.html Chain Reaction remix contest ends Sept 30: http://andrew-duke.com/contests.html Andrew Duke--Consumer vs. User album: http://www.phthalo.com/cat.php?cat=phth40 artist features column: http://cognitionaudioworks.com/read.html http://myspace.com/andrewduke ### ## Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. ### ## # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
Re: (313) Ableton 6
5.2.2 seems pretty stable, just the odd glitch with midi or the hard disk. does it record sysex yet? actually i cant even get it to record pitchbend from a dx100, it's weird...records pitchbend fine from other machines..i think? the midi stuff could definitely use some work, in any case...better in 6?
Re: (313) New link for Tom Cox bleep43 mix
thanks a lot kent! and tom! i wanted to listen but actually had decided to pass because of megaupload...appreciated! -Original Message- From: kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sep 27, 2006 12:26 PM To: list 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) New link for Tom Cox bleep43 mix Because megaupload.com bleeps a donkey: http://www.cornwarning.com/tomcox/Bleep43.Show30.TomCox.mp3
RE: (313) Kenny Larkin Question
yep..i still have it somewhere...but it was recorded off the radio, and the radio reception wasn't too great...there was an unreleased r-tyme track recorded off the radio posted as well -Original Message- From: Peteri, Jochem [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sep 26, 2006 8:28 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Kenny Larkin Question it was on discogs i think im looking into me archives... -Original Message- From: Tristan Watkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: dinsdag 26 september 2006 14:24 To: Paul Kendrick; Martin Dust; list 313 Subject: Re: (313) Kenny Larkin Question It was available as an mp3 somewhere not long ago. I could've sworn I got it from here but I didn't find anything at a glance in the archives. Unfortunately I don't seem to have the file either anymore. :/ Tristan === [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phonopsia.co.uk - Original Message - From: Paul Kendrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED]; list 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 1:17 PM Subject: RE: (313) Kenny Larkin Question Yeah, but it didn't come out, Alan Oldman played it on the fast forward show. -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 September 2006 13:17 To: list 313 Subject: (313) Kenny Larkin Question Has he ever recorded a track called Morse Code? m
RE: (313) dL music www updated + the convextion live mp3
Partly correct. There was some exclusive material and also some recognizable stuff from Gerard's repertoire. But yes it was mind-blowing. I was totally un-intoxicated, seeing as I had to be responsible (!) but the set was still quite a trip. Certainly the best solo live electronic music set I've ever had the privilege to experience. i'm going to have to respectfully correct ken here -- it was all new, altho i'm sure trademark convextion strings/sounds may have shone thru at times... i got test pressings of the album this morning...it was cut at dm...ohhh you can tell!
RE: (313) dL music www updated + the convextion live mp3
first week of november! i'm siked!! this is the hardest we've worked and the most love we've put into any of our releases.. -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sep 26, 2006 11:56 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) dL music www updated + the convextion live mp3 I've just heard those beautiful sounds before in my dreams I guess. ;-) The Akashik record and the collective unconcious ... (if you're gonna dig a hole, make it a nice one, I say!) Looking forward JT. Do we have a date though no matter how approximate? Ken -Original Message- From: J.T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 September 2006 16:39 To: Odeluga, Ken; dave cronin; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) dL music www updated + the convextion live mp3 Partly correct. There was some exclusive material and also some recognizable stuff from Gerard's repertoire. But yes it was mind-blowing. I was totally un-intoxicated, seeing as I had to be responsible (!) but the set was still quite a trip. Certainly the best solo live electronic music set I've ever had the privilege to experience. i'm going to have to respectfully correct ken here -- it was all new, altho i'm sure trademark convextion strings/sounds may have shone thru at times... i got test pressings of the album this morning...it was cut at dm...ohhh you can tell!
Re: (313) best of moods grooves
andres (probably my favorite 12 on the label!): http://www.discogs.com/release/35589 actually i think that's the weakest andres record tom. not much happening there...course, i still bought it...
(313) dL music www updated + the convextion live mp3
we updated http://downlowmusic.org a direct link to an mp3 of the convextion liveset in london is included
(313) Henry Townsend 1909-2006
Most people probably havent heard of Henry Townsend. His Wikipedia page ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Townsend_%28musician%29 ) is criminally short. He is a relatively unknown legend of the blues (guitar and piano). As the entry says He was also one of the only artists known to have recorded in every decade for the last 80 years. The artists he played with included Robert Johnson, Tampa Red, Walter Davis, and on and on. He was a living history of the modern record industry, he began making records in the 20's and didn't stop until he died. My dad also played with him for many years and I am named after him. Nobody has heard of him, you won't hear it in the news, but one of the most legendary musicians of the 20th century died yesterday
Re: (313) dL music www updated + the convextion live mp3
i'm not following what you're saying at all tom, but you need to have javascript enabled..it is by default, but your work may have disabled it. you might also try clearing your browser cache, hmm dunno.. -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sep 25, 2006 1:36 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) dL music www updated + the convextion live mp3 i cant get this to work. at all. if i get that = looking bit on the left and i click on the top, i get an otherwise blank screen. if i click on the bottom one, i get the releases page. im forced to be on IE because im at work... i wanna find that convextion set! tom On 9/25/06, J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we updated http://downlowmusic.org a direct link to an mp3 of the convextion liveset in london is included
(313) buying vinyl in the usa - yes!
i have been buying records like a nut lately, and i am ecstatic to discover that you can actually mailorder records, find the ones you're looking for even and for good prices, in the USA again..it hasn't been this good since when groovetech went under imho, especially for those of us who don't live in hip cities with decent record stores i think there are 3 main shops that really have it together -- accurate stock lists, good selection, and good customer service..between these i can find most everything i'm after: http://dancerecords.com -- they chose a good name! sane prices ($9/$10 imports, $7 domestics), insane shipping prices (free over $50, 2-day air for $5...what!), completely realtime stocklist, nice built-in re-ordering and pre-ordering system, and a big catalog...choice! i am really excited about this place, it's like the new groovetech.. http://submerge.com -- oh yes! pricey shipping for small orders but if you do a big order it's very reasonable, and bridgette is the best customer service person i have ever dealt with at any record store http://emporium50.com -- detroit house mecca! havent actually ordered there but friends have and speak highly! http://planetxusa.com -- not exactly realtime stocklist, but pretty close, nice for findin stuff the first 3 might be out of stock on...just picked up shez satan here for $2.34 :P just thought i'd share some tips, there's no excuse to not buy records because you live in the usa anymore...at least for years, i have heard people here saying they have to order from europe and so dont buy much anymore...support the dance music business in the usa!
Re: (313) buying vinyl in the usa - yes!
that's cool, but they still have a ways to go -- they claim their catalog is a fairly accurate representation of their stock, but i got ~ 40% fill on my order there just last week -- and one of the records they sent me was the wrong one, which i've now sent back for (hopefully) a replacement for the correct one. by contrast, once i got a wrong record from planet-x, they refunded it's price and just let me keep it, which was much less hassle, and hey free record for their foul-up.. -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sep 25, 2006 3:21 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) buying vinyl in the usa - yes! also, i dont know if anyone has noticed but forced exposure is actually on the ball now. it takes less than 3 business days from ordering to get the records to pittsburgh. theyre also rocking the flatrate shipping, and they seem to be stocking lots of good stuff in the 313 realm and outside of it as well.. tom On 9/25/06, J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i have been buying records like a nut lately, and i am ecstatic to discover that you can actually mailorder records, find the ones you're looking for even and for good prices, in the USA again..it hasn't been this good since when groovetech went under imho, especially for those of us who don't live in hip cities with decent record stores i think there are 3 main shops that really have it together -- accurate stock lists, good selection, and good customer service..between these i can find most everything i'm after: http://dancerecords.com -- they chose a good name! sane prices ($9/$10 imports, $7 domestics), insane shipping prices (free over $50, 2-day air for $5...what!), completely realtime stocklist, nice built-in re-ordering and pre-ordering system, and a big catalog...choice! i am really excited about this place, it's like the new groovetech.. http://submerge.com -- oh yes! pricey shipping for small orders but if you do a big order it's very reasonable, and bridgette is the best customer service person i have ever dealt with at any record store http://emporium50.com -- detroit house mecca! havent actually ordered there but friends have and speak highly! http://planetxusa.com -- not exactly realtime stocklist, but pretty close, nice for findin stuff the first 3 might be out of stock on...just picked up shez satan here for $2.34 :P just thought i'd share some tips, there's no excuse to not buy records because you live in the usa anymore...at least for years, i have heard people here saying they have to order from europe and so dont buy much anymore...support the dance music business in the usa!
RE: (313) buying vinyl in the usa - yes!
ordered there last week as well -- two records which were green were actually not in stock supposedly due to an error in their supplier's stocklist...including a-c's tears on subject which i'm dying to get ahold of...good otherwise, but dancerecords.com has their thing super tight, and the shipping prices are hard to argue with -Original Message- From: Jason Trolian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sep 25, 2006 3:36 PM To: 'J.T.' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Thomas D. Cox,Jr.' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) buying vinyl in the usa - yes! Planet X has been good to me as of late No mistakes and 100% order fills every time... Jason Trolian Operations Manager / IT J Wilson Associates, P.C. 145 Essex Street, 6th Floor Haverhill, MA 01832 866-425-5005 978-521-0144 Fax 603-365-7280 Cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: J.T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 3:28 PM To: Thomas D. Cox,Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) buying vinyl in the usa - yes! that's cool, but they still have a ways to go -- they claim their catalog is a fairly accurate representation of their stock, but i got ~ 40% fill on my order there just last week -- and one of the records they sent me was the wrong one, which i've now sent back for (hopefully) a replacement for the correct one. by contrast, once i got a wrong record from planet-x, they refunded it's price and just let me keep it, which was much less hassle, and hey free record for their foul-up.. -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sep 25, 2006 3:21 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) buying vinyl in the usa - yes! also, i dont know if anyone has noticed but forced exposure is actually on the ball now. it takes less than 3 business days from ordering to get the records to pittsburgh. theyre also rocking the flatrate shipping, and they seem to be stocking lots of good stuff in the 313 realm and outside of it as well.. tom On 9/25/06, J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i have been buying records like a nut lately, and i am ecstatic to discover that you can actually mailorder records, find the ones you're looking for even and for good prices, in the USA again..it hasn't been this good since when groovetech went under imho, especially for those of us who don't live in hip cities with decent record stores i think there are 3 main shops that really have it together -- accurate stock lists, good selection, and good customer service..between these i can find most everything i'm after: http://dancerecords.com -- they chose a good name! sane prices ($9/$10 imports, $7 domestics), insane shipping prices (free over $50, 2-day air for $5...what!), completely realtime stocklist, nice built-in re-ordering and pre-ordering system, and a big catalog...choice! i am really excited about this place, it's like the new groovetech.. http://submerge.com -- oh yes! pricey shipping for small orders but if you do a big order it's very reasonable, and bridgette is the best customer service person i have ever dealt with at any record store http://emporium50.com -- detroit house mecca! havent actually ordered there but friends have and speak highly! http://planetxusa.com -- not exactly realtime stocklist, but pretty close, nice for findin stuff the first 3 might be out of stock on...just picked up shez satan here for $2.34 :P just thought i'd share some tips, there's no excuse to not buy records because you live in the usa anymore...at least for years, i have heard people here saying they have to order from europe and so dont buy much anymore...support the dance music business in the usa!
Re: (313) buying vinyl in the usa - yes!
i know man, it's a classic already for sure...i hope i havent missed out on it, i've been searching high and low for it with no luck...anybody got a tip? -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sep 25, 2006 3:48 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) buying vinyl in the usa - yes! On 9/25/06, J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: including a-c's tears on subject just pulled this out again the other day, this tune is so so great. he killed it on this one. tom
Re: (313) buying vinyl in the usa - yes!
wait a second...pittsburgh...kelly...isnt that tom's wife? selling tom's records out from under him, uh oh -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sep 25, 2006 4:03 PM To: J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED], Thomas D. Cox,Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) buying vinyl in the usa - yes! Here you go... http://www.discogs.com/sell/list?release_id=619392 m - Original Message - From: J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Thomas D. Cox,Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 8:50 PM Subject: Re: (313) buying vinyl in the usa - yes! i know man, it's a classic already for sure...i hope i havent missed out on it, i've been searching high and low for it with no luck...anybody got a tip?
