Re: [313] Jeff Mills interview on-line
Great point! Doesn't dub predate hip hop though? It was low-tech on big soundsystems. The only factor it doesn't seem to inherit is the post-industrial attribute, but then again my knowledge of the roots of dub are few and far between. Though I'd love to read about it, any suggestions LKS? Cheers todd - Original Message - From: "Lester Kenyatta Spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <313@hyperreal.org>; "Bill Benzon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 9:42 AM Subject: RE: [313] Jeff Mills interview on-line > On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Brendan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > | -Original Message- > > | From: Lester Kenyatta Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > | Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 5:17 PM > > | > > | > Interesting point... I'd be tempted to say that techno was the first > > | > specifically post-industrial tribal music. Other genres of > > | music, like > > | > rock'n'roll or hip-hop, have always had tribal aspects to > > | them, but techno > > | > is specifically post-industrial. > > | > > | This is interesting as wellhow are you defining "post-indutrial?" > > > > The dictionary definition is "a period in the development of an economy or > > nation in which the relative importance of manufacturing lessens and that of > > services, information, and research grows" - most Western nations are now in > > a post-industrial state and have been since the late 1970s. Although there > > have been new genres of music since then besides techno, techno's origins in > > Detroit - a city which became post-industrial a while before many others, > > what with the collapse in auto manufacturing there and the subsequent decay > > of the city - kind of mark it as a genre of music which ties very closely > > with post-industrialism. > > Hm. Although I don't think it is an accident that what we think of as > "techno" comes out of Detroit for the reasons you mentioned, I actually > think hip-hop might be the first post-industrial music...and that techno > is the first to actually REPRESENT itself as post-industrial. Do you see > the distinction? I was giving a lecture about "mass society" yesterday, > and it occurred to me that we can trace the development of music in a > similar fashion...rock and roll in particular. Rock and roll is a very > industrial music in that it calls into being a certain sense of scale > (large large concert halls, a loud loud sound which requires big big > speakers, etc.). It also calls into being a certain type of industry to > feed it. Ticketmaster to deal with the consumer aspect of concert > technology for example. > > (apologies for obvious oversimplification.) > > But hiphop is the first music to violate those forms...and it was produced > by some of the first casualties of the industrial era--"colored" (black > american, black carribbean, latino, some white) men and women who were > unable to get jobs in the plants during the seventies. It took a low-tech > approach with high tech tools and created a sound that was a pastiche of > bits and pieces of previous work. And in juxtaposition to the megaband, > all that was needed was "two turntables and a mic." Note how the scale > becomes more human...in pointed juxtaposition to the industrial trend. > > Now the themes are definitely NOT post-industrial...but I think the music > itself was as far as the social factors leading up to its creation. > > > Of course, it's easy to say things like that about techno as it is an > > ambiguous and amorphous genre of music - and it's just as easy to disprove > > statements like this for exactly the same reason. My perception of techno is > > that it's a post-industrial genre - and, hey, if we think of 'industrial' as > > the musical genre rather than the phase of economic development, that makes > > sense too! > > Perhaps even more sense. > > > peace > lks > > (i forwarded this to a friend of mine who recently wrote a book called > BEETHOVEN'S ANVIL which deals with music and culture broadly considered.) > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FW: [313] Jeff Mills interview on-line
> Yeah maybe. Or you could go on believing everything your physics professor has to say. The truth is > that man will never understand even a minute fraction of life and the way things work. Or perhaps you can believe there's some truth to what your prof. is saying and use your imagination to come up with new and wild experiments to try and disprove these theories. > You base your statement on man's burning curiosity, which is a totally valid point. I, myself, fall into > this category. I am just saying from personal experience, that when you assign all the naturally >occuring events a number, it just get's boring and leaves less room for the imagination to kick in. Name me one physicist who looks at everything around them as a number, and I will grant you one insane physicist. We are still human, we still see trees as trees, rocks as rocks, and stars as something truly magnificent that most people take for granted. > BTW particle and wave duality is just another small example of science's flaws. They categorize >everything and then WHAM! Something like that comes along and throws a monkey wrech into the >equation. Then they try to find out why and fix it. I guess it is something to do to pass the time, but to >egg people on by paying them money to fill their heads with it? Not cool. I liked it better when the >scientists (Plato, Socrates, etc.)just taught whoever would listen. And? At one point we thought the earth was flat, so we learn diffferently through using our imaginations, and trial and error that we would not indeed fall of the face of the earth. The reason your able to do more than half the imaginative things you think you are doing today is because of physics and other sciences. Imagination is half the process of figuring out a new equation or possible theory. The other half consists of a strong mind, and the ability to learn. Something many of us in today's society severely lack, because we are too comfortable, and have far too many other things to do. As for Plato and Socrates teaching those that would listen, they got paid, they taught rich kids, if you think they didn't you haven't read enough about them. Cheers todd - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] some records.
Veto wrote: > > Went record shopping yesterday. Some stand outs were: > > > > Gadgets "Parallel" - Finally I hear what the fuss is about. Superb! > > Definitely some of my favourite non Maurizio Maurizio music. There's a track > > with a constant bass drone that is maybe one of my favourite tracks of the > > year so far. I'd appreciate any pointers on how to get hold of the rest of > > the back catalogue. __ Gadgets were awesome in there first few releases, Parallel is still my favourite, followed by the extremely hard to find LP (which is Various Artists but contains some Gadgets material) 'Users and The Gadgets' feat Gadgets, Sasse, Question (M. Carola), Mr. Hazeltine rmx'ed by Mannequin Lung and more. Unfortunately since Gagdets "Blue" (their last really good release) the releases have become glorified Carola takeoffs utilizing the same sound and feel as some of the Question tracks. Gadgets is (aka Corrado Izzo owner of i220 records), find some of his older stuff if you like Parallel alot, anything below Gadjets 9 is good, the On/Off stuff is definitely solid but more in the Question vein again. In fact almost all the Gadgets records I do like are colloborations with Bernard Maus (of Maus & Stolle fame). To get ahold of their backcatalogue I would guess at Hardwax (www.hardwax.com) Cheers todd - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] OT Gas,Sturm...?
I thought the question was for stuff like Gas and Sturm? Kitty Yo may posses some pop ambient in the darker vein, but not a lot. Ware and Dial are both good minimal-tech house labels but put out no ambient. Porter Ricks 'Biomechaniks' on Force is a wonderfully disturbing album full of beat juxtaposition, and grainy noise. DIN puts out some of the finest IDM but is by no means ambient, even the Monolake release is a dubby breakbeat affair. Pole's stuff is again close but still a dub beat oriented. The Scape label has never put out an ambient release, all releases thus far have been in the IDM/lounge range. The pop ambient stuff on kompakt is certainly fitting. Of the releases before Kompakt 30 only the Dettinger LP's are similar to Gas and Sturm. After KOM 30, the release schedule seems interspersed with pop ambient. There was also a Gas release in around KOM 40-45, its not quite the same as 'Pop' more guitars and more subtle beats. The Traum label is certainly similar, though only half the releases are strictly ambient (mostly the Phillipe Cam releases) and they have been moving towards a tech-house feel as well. There is also an excellent Stewart Walker EP on Mille Plateaux called 'Granular Synthesis' which features completely unsequenced synth ambience. As well some of the latter Chain Reaction pieces come to mind, Matrix, Hallucinator, Fluxion and V. Delay all have EP's with some ambience on them (the Fluxion LP 'Bi-Polar Defect' is my favourite). There is also a whole range of microsound'ish stuff that I have yet to explore but promises to be much in the same vein. Cheers todd - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Theorem - Nano
Aboslutely Dale's finest hour, a rarity now. Let's see some represses! Especially on vinyl. Cheers todd - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 8:45 AM Subject: [313] Theorem - Nano > Hi, > > Did that one ever come out on CD? > > Thanx, > > W > > > -- -- > The information in this Internet email is confidential and may be legally > privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this Internet > email by anyone else is unauthorised. > > If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution > or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited > and may be unlawful. When addressed to our clients any opinions or advice > contained in this Internet email are subject to the terms and conditions > expressed in any applicable governing ING Barings' terms of business or > client engagement letter. > > Visit us at www.ingbarings.com > -- -- > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Hawtin + Aphex Twin -> NY Times
I'm sure someone will think this is a great article, but with lines like : ___ One song, "Kladfvgbung Micshk," uses a prepared piano for both the rhythm and the melody, and this suggestion - that a rhythm instrument can have a melodic value, and vice versa - creates a sense of ambiguity that hovers over the whole album: we're often not quite sure whether we're hearing a beat or a tone. ___ WTF! Of course a rhythm instrument can have a melodic value, considering the writer is paying close attention to RDJ's use of the piano, he/she should at least know something about the piano, or maybe the guitar, bass, drums, etc. All rhythm instruments have tones, a beat IS a tone. I would really like to know what Final Scratch had to do with DE9 2, besides being an influence on it (whatever that means). The best part of the article is definitely: (the author is speaking of Hawtin's use of a Phillipe Cam record) ___ It's a shame there aren't more surprises like that. Too much of "Closer to the Edit" rushes by without making much of an impression; its amalgamated thump never shows any signs of letting up. ___ Glad someone is paying attention. Cheers todd - Original Message - From: "Grammenos, Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 9:08 PM Subject: [313] Hawtin + Aphex Twin -> NY Times > > Final Scracth article in this sunday's times .. > > http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/04/arts/music/04SANN.html?search=nyToday > > > -Pete > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: [313] RE: (313) Neo Oujia
I have the single, one of the tracks, I believe 'south' are somehting similar is off an old Reel record he did. Not as good as his one on Delsin though. I still want to hear the LP though, what label is it on? Cheers todd - Original Message - From: "Jwan Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 8:23 AM Subject: Re: Re: [313] RE: (313) Neo Oujia > I haven't heard the album yet. But i picked up the first > single "east" 2 weeks ago. hands down on fo the best records i've > purchased all year. can't wait to hear the rest of the album. > > > > > Jwan Allen > Technoir Records > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.technoiraudio.com > (412) 681-1398 > > > Free Game Guides! > > Complete walkthrus, secrets, hints > and tips exclusively from IGN.com > > Play better today at http://guides.ign.com > > ** - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] RE: (313) Neo Oujia
New Norken LP? Where? Let me in on the secret.. Cheers todd - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Anya Stang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "M Elliot-Knight" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 12:48 AM Subject: [313] RE: (313) Neo Oujia > any thoughts / reviews on the new Norken album? > > -Original Message- > From: "Anya Stang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> at INET-1 > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 9:53 PM > To: "M Elliot-Knight" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> at INET-1; > <313@hyperreal.org> at INET-1 > Subject: RE: [313] Neo Oujia > > > *shotinthedark* ... http://www.neoouija.co.uk > ? > > Anya > > - Original Message - > From: "M Elliot-Knight" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <313@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 9:41 PM > Subject: [313] Neo Oujia > > > > I seem to have lost the URL for their website...anyone have this? > > > > MEK > > > > _ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - > ATTENTION: > The information in this electronic mail message is private and > confidential, and only intended for the addressee. Should you > receive this message by mistake, you are hereby notified that > any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or use of this > message is strictly prohibited. Please inform the sender by > reply transmission and delete the message without copying or > opening it. > > Messages and attachments are scanned for all viruses known. > If this message contains password-protected attachments, the > files have NOT been scanned for viruses by the ING mail domain. > Always scan attachments before opening them. > - > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] techno-Indie/ Was Khan
The new C-PIJ remixes of Two Lone Swordsmen's 'Tiny Reminders' 7". There's a new Spiritualized LP out too. Julee Cruise rocks todd - Original Message - From: "Peter Leidy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 11:37 AM Subject: [313] techno-Indie/ Was Khan > Since these threads are wandering from techno towards Indie Rock, Was > wondering what you all think of the Vincent Gallo album just released on > Warp. For those not familiar, he's primarily known as an Indie Film actor, > he also directed/produced the movie Buffalo66. Kinda strange to see an > album out on warp from him, but it sounded pretty good in the record > store- definitely closer to indierock than techno tho- > > any other suggestions on genre-crossing techno related stuff thats > catching your ears? > > p > > > On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Geoffrey Richards wrote: > > > I'm pretty sure that the Khan who produced No Comprendo is from Germany. > At > > least that is what he said when he played (at the empty bottle in > chicago) > > with julee cruise about a month ago. bizarre live show--the only person > > that comes to mind in comparison is cex, who also seeks audiece > > participation in his sets. I'm a big julee cruise fan, and honestly > hadn't > > heard of khan before this show. I preferred the stuff they played > together > > to his solo work. > > > > -geoff > > > > > >> > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] re:(313)[EMAIL PROTECTED]/technology
Are you ready for the Final Scratch price tag of $23,000? http://www.wired.com/news/mp3/0,1285,47398,00.html has the details I would rather take my chances cutting dubs on the Kingston Dubplate Cutter. www.mixmachines.com They will probably be shipping in 6 months or so, and they are only $5000. Better yet I'll save my money to do something fabulous. Like treat my girlfriend to a vacation, or buy a car, chances are I can always just lug my records around in that now can't I. Take your pick Cheers todd - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RE: [313] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] everywhere
> but please "guitar", drums, what is next...banjo. > > > sorry already been done kent williams samples a banjo in one of his tunes. Anyone remember The Grid? What about 'Cotton Eyed Joe'? The Shaman? All classic and bad examples of banjo use in electronic music. I want to hear Kent's tune though. Cheers todd - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] technology
I personally think Sven Vath and the boys at Harthouseand EyeQ kept the techno-trance schism at bay for some time Sven Vath's 1995 'Touch Themes', which is remixes of Vath's 'Harlequin' 'Robot' & 'Ballet Dancer' is very much still techno. Speedy J's first two LP's are very trancey in nature, but still firmly rooted in techno. Goa did make a big impact though and made the music much easier to pigeon hole into categories in the latter years. Now progressive is borrowing largely from tech-house. In fact many techno producers are starting to show up on trance/progressive labels (Selway & uggh Smith on Hooj? Rino Cerrone on Saw? Carl Finlow on Bedrock?) Back to work todd - Original Message - From: "Brendan Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED] Org" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 8:54 AM Subject: RE: [313] technology > And if you'd played Star Dancer in a trance club back then people would have > gone ballistic - the two were definitely linked up until when Sven Vath and > the Frankfurt trancey people started to become more prominent, and > subsequently the "goa trance" sound hit at around the same time techno was > discovering its minimal side. A complete schism has occurred since then! > > Brendan > > | -Original Message- > | From: Mxyzptlk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > | Sent: 19 October 2001 17:15 > | To: M. Todd Smith; Detroits Finest List > | Subject: Re: [313] technology > | > | > | That's a VERY important qualification. Back then, LOTS of things were > | called "trance". I have some excellent old Subsonic "trance" > | volumes which > | are full of Reel by Real, Dark Comedy, 69, etc., etc, tracks. What falls > | into the "trance" bin these days is another animal altogether - > | imo anyway. > | Even much old ambient was called 'trance' in the early-mid 90s. > | > |jeff > | > | > | At 01:00 PM 10/19/2001, M. Todd Smith wrote: > | >I have a Hawtin mix from 1994-1995 and it definitely is more trancey, he > | >throws in some FUSE and spastik, but the music is certainly > | trance. However > | >that was an era where techno and trance were one and the same. > | > > | >Cheers > | >todd > | > | > | > | - > | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > | For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > | > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Astralwerks - Detroit Beyond the 3rd Wave LP
Yes, this recently got repressed by Astralwerks, if your into the Detroit sound then this is a great comp. The Claude Younge track 'Impolite to Refuse' which begins the album is certainly a must have, on par with his Project 625 material on Dow (even better IMHO). I used to start all my Detroity sets with this track. Tonnes of percussion, squelchy bass and wonderful (WONDERFUL) melodies. Sean Deason's 'Vortex' does much the same for me, classic Detroit sounds. Another guaranteed player. Shake's ' Sandblaster has a beautiful arppegiated bass wobble, and a dirty snare/ kick combo, combined with another killer piano line and some chanting. The middle part of the LP heads for electro country bagning it out with a classic Ectomorph tune, and the absolutely f***in essential Will Web "Like on Tek (Bumpin down Jefferson Mix). When I was in the D for first DEMF we went bumpin down Jefferson Ave, with that tune cranked, it all became clear. If you get this comp for any one tune it should be this one. If Andy C's 'Valley of Shadows (31 seconds)' is the essential junglist tune, then Will Web's 'life on tek' is comparable for the electro elite. The last part of the LP is to me, what suffers. The T-1000, Terrence Dixon and Mode Selector (Fanon Flowers) tracks, showcase the bleepy, and hard part of Detroit. The tracks are a good view into what was happening in that particular vein of techno in Detroit at that time, but in comparison to the musicality of the rest of the LP, they just don't stand out. An essential LP IMHO, I sold mine to pay rent a few years back, and now I have it again! Now anyone want to part with their Deepest Shades of Techno Compilations on vinyl? Better yet anyone know of any stores that might still have these in stock? Not bloody likely but at least I'm trying :) Cheers todd - Original Message - From: ":: evilgenetix ::" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 8:14 AM Subject: [313] Astralwerks - Detroit Beyond the 3rd Wave LP > Does anyone know if the LP - Detroit: Beyond The Third Wave (Claude Young, K > Hand, DJ T1000, Terence Dixon, etc.) on Astralwerks (ASWLP 6170) which was > originally released in 1996, recently got repressed (or did it)??? cos there > are copies of these popping up in a local record store also it is available > on Juno... they are charging 14 pounds or AUD$60 for this LP, I don't really > know how hard is it to get this LP and is it really worth the money to get > it? > > cheers, > EVGNT > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] technology
I have a Hawtin mix from 1994-1995 and it definitely is more trancey, he throws in some FUSE and spastik, but the music is certainly trance. However that was an era where techno and trance were one and the same. Cheers todd - Original Message - From: "deliverator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "chad m sponholz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 5:42 AM Subject: Re: [313] technology > I purchased that exact tape from a rekkid store somewhere. That was most > certainly *not* hawtin. Just a quick way for someone to make a buck. If > you want to hear some of his more recent sets, download morpheus and type in > "hawtin" > > jim > > http://www.assasins.net > - Original Message - > From: "chad m sponholz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "DJ Entropy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "313 Detroit" > <313@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 7:08 AM > Subject: RE: [313] technology > > > > > > i bought a tape from my local record store a few years back that > > just said "richie hawtin" on it with a neat minimal-looking front... > > supposedly it was a live set from somewhere. i've since given away the > > tape so i can't be sure what the info on it said unless it magically > > re-appears somehow... > > > > long story short: > > > > THAT SH*T WAS TRANCE AS F**K!!! > > > > On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, DJ Entropy wrote: > > > > +---Original Message--- > > + > > +>>all i have to say is who else has ventured out into the land of > > +>>experimantation like hawtin has on the closer to the edit CD?? > > + > > +Link anywhere? > > + > > +I wanna hear just how "experimental" hawtin suppossedly is. > > + > > +heh. > > + > > +Ian Scott aka DJ Entropy > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > http://hyperreal.org/~chad > > > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Planetary Assault Systems
As a huge Slater fan, I must say while the output sounds a little dated, its still excellent, and there seems to be a severe juxtaposition in the realm of techno where if it doesn't sound 'new' or at least current, its not noteworthy anymore. Personally I find the somewhat old schoolish nature of this release quite refreshing when compared to the output of the latest wave of techno greats (ie Redhead, Marco Bailey, Umek, SLS, Ben Sims, Hardcell, etc.). I truly miss all the great twisted Roland X0X production that used to occur and Slater has always been able to bang those boxes with the best of them. 'twelve' takes me back to that old Rob Hood shuffle circa M-Plant 5-9. The sample is hilarious and keeps the track bouncy, despite its darker nature. The remix of 'Booster', and 'Atomic' are phenomenal and once you've heard either on a big system you'll agree Luke's still got funk. 'I am the funkster' shows that Slater still knows how to use drones for maximum effect, shimmering, dizzying drones, and a nice melody line too. Mind you, I only like 5 of the 9 tracks, the others aren't quite doing it for me. I can't wait to hear that mix though. :) Cheers todd - Original Message - From: "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "313 Detroit" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 4:07 PM Subject: [313] Planetary Assault Systems > Anyone have any thoughts on the new album Atomic Funkster on Peacefrog? > > This is supposed to be the last PAS album as Luke Slater is too stretched. > > Me, it's OK. I think Luke is retreading ground a little with this, the > ambient track From Above is gentle but sounds like something he has done > before, the techno tracks - Dark City and Atomic - are non descript, Twelve > sounds very like Jeff Mills' when he makes deeper tech. There's a mix of > club and listening tracks. I prefered Wireless, though that was maligned in > 'techno' circles. Like I say, good, but not definitive. > > There's a new Luke Slater mix CD Fear & Loathing on React but I ain't heard > it yet. > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] dj "algorythm" (or something like that hehe)
You can get to Algo's website throught the labels link on the www.techno.ca/revolver Cheers todd - Original Message - From: "Gerald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Cc: "allnight" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 6:25 AM Subject: Re: [313] dj "algorythm" (or something like that hehe) > That's Algorithim your looking for. > > He has a mix at http://www.techno.ca > > He also runs a record label called Revolver - i think they have a > website, not sure of the address though. > > Cheers! > > G > > allnight wrote: > > > > some months ago someone post a mail that had a link to a dubby house > > and techno set. it was something similar to theorem and deep chord > > trax. i can remember of some force trax on that set too. anyone > > remember those links? i think that the dj was canadian. > > well, take care u all > > > > henrique casanova > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] killer! of a label.
The website for Killer is www.killer3000.com Adam's a great guy, and if you ever have the chance to see him DJ check him out, he'll wipe the floor with most anybody. He used to play in Detroit once in a while back in 95-98. He also has an EP out on dumb-unit (www.dumb-unit.com) another great canadian label run by Jeremy Caufield a.k.a DJ Lotus. Even more info can be dug out from www.techno.ca as well as www.roundtablemusic.com . Not all releases have that big room techno sound. The Format stuff (the first four mentioned by Vince) have a distinct Detroit minimal bleepy feel to them, while the latter two releases (Papa Ceo's & The Golden Star EP's) go for a more dark tribal feel. One or two of the Format releases were charted by Jeff Mills last year, and are definitely worth listening to. The Chair recordings stuff is also very touched by Detroit, inspired more so by Rob Hood, yet maintaining it's own feel and direction (which is surprising considering the number of artists who believe influence is just another way of saying 'sounds exactly like'). Cheers todd - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] killer! of a label.
The website for Killer is www.killer3000.com Adam's a great guy, and if you ever have the chance to see him DJ check him out, he'll wipe the floor with most anybody. He used to play in Detroit once in a while back in 95-98. He also has an EP out on dumb-unit (www.dumb-unit.com) another great canadian label run by Jeremy Caufield a.k.a DJ Lotus. Even more info can be dug out from www.techno.ca as well as www.roundtablemusic.com . Not all releases have that big room techno sound. The Format stuff (the first four mentioned by Vince) have a distinct Detroit minimal bleepy feel to them, while the latter two releases (Papa Ceo's & The Golden Star EP's) go for a more dark tribal feel. One or two of the Format releases were charted by Jeff Mills last year, and are definitely worth listening to. The Chair recordings stuff is also very touched by Detroit, inspired more so by Rob Hood, yet maintaining it's own feel and direction (which is surprising considering the number of artists who believe influence is just another way of saying 'sounds exactly like'). Cheers todd - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Sensual
I would really love to get ahold of more of Fabrice's stuff as well as Titonton's, anyone know who distributes Titonton's label Residual? It's pretty hard to find up here in Canada, but I would love to get it into the store. Anyone know if Deepest Shades of Techno vol. 1 & 2 came out on vinyl? I have the cd version but what I wouldn't do for all those tunes on vinyl! DAMN! Maybe we should get Fabrice to do a fan club mailout of all his records. I know I'd be in, what do you say Fabrice? Cheers todd - Original Message - From: "John Osselaer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 6:52 AM Subject: Re: [313] Sensual > > Oh boy, you really want to get your hands on that one! Pure Detroit soul > bliss! I've got it on promo, but it doesn't say the release date. > > Fabrice, are you still out there?? > > John > > Also look out for Fabrice's Soul Designer ep on FComm. It's in the same deep > vain as the 7th City one. > > > > >From: "P Swope" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: 313@hyperreal.org > >Subject: [313] Sensual > >Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 06:39:59 -0700 > > > >Hey does anyone have any idea when Titonton & Fabrice Lig - Sensual [7th > >City] is coming out? > > > > > > > > > >_ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > >- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Sensual
I would really love to get ahold of more of Fabrice's stuff as well as Titonton's, anyone know who distributes Titonton's label Residual? It's pretty hard to find up here in Canada, but I would love to get it into the store. Anyone know if Deepest Shades of Techno vol. 1 & 2 came out on vinyl? I have the cd version but what I wouldn't do for all those tunes on vinyl! DAMN! Maybe we should get Fabrice to do a fan club mailout of all his records. I know I'd be in, what do you say Fabrice? Cheers todd - Original Message - From: "John Osselaer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 6:52 AM Subject: Re: [313] Sensual > > Oh boy, you really want to get your hands on that one! Pure Detroit soul > bliss! I've got it on promo, but it doesn't say the release date. > > Fabrice, are you still out there?? > > John > > Also look out for Fabrice's Soul Designer ep on FComm. It's in the same deep > vain as the 7th City one. > > > > >From: "P Swope" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: 313@hyperreal.org > >Subject: [313] Sensual > >Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 06:39:59 -0700 > > > >Hey does anyone have any idea when Titonton & Fabrice Lig - Sensual [7th > >City] is coming out? > > > > > > > > > >_ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > >- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [313] brave new waves?
I would say it is because Montreal is a liberating city of diverse people, and Brave New Waves has been on the air for jeez it must be going on ten years now. I used to listen to it when I went to bed. Great show. Cheers todd - Original Message - From: "Jayson B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 8:54 PM Subject: [313] brave new waves? > I'm just wondering how many of you fantastic people out there ever tune into > Brave new waves. If you don't, i suggest you do sometimes. its 89.9 here > in detroit, and its on from 12am-4am. Avant-garde, minimal, ambient, > underground punk, you name it, patti plays it. So, does anyone have any > ideas why some of the best radio in the midwest is coming from montreal of > all places? > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] DJ Magda
Again the cynic delivers another crushing blow to Detroit. Why can't you assume Rich actually thinks she's a good DJ?. I've seen Magda three times now and have been nothing but impressed everytime. I have a great funky mixed disc that she put out, and it is phenomenal. Track selection has a lot to do with being a good dj (in fact before mixing was involved track selection is what made you a DJ). Your somewhat sexists stance only makes you seem ignorant. todd - Original Message - From: "Jayson B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [313] DJ Magda > > > Richie takes of the > >main room with accompaniment from Detroit's hottest new star DJ Magda. > >Is Magda really Detroit's "hottest new star??" > > Richie has taken quite the liking to her lately. To be honest, i can only > assume that he has a huge crush on her. she IS quite good looking. > However, i find her dj skills lacking immensely. She is merely and AVERAGE > dj, where 90% of the bedroom hacks in detroit could spin a better set than > her. Great track selection by itself a good dj does not make. She notice > her lukewarm skills even more when you see her tagteam, and the other dj > simply blows her off the decks. > > > > > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] DJ Magda
Don't even bother watching Rich, Magda is where its at, Rich is smart to have bring her along, she's going to blow up huge! She's a killer DJ with the BEST track selection and mixing, flawless and funky. Cheers todd - Original Message - From: "Gary Girard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 3:33 AM Subject: [313] DJ Magda > > ** > Entertainment UK Limited > Registered Office: 243 Blyth Road, Hayes, Middlesex UB3 1DN. > Registered in England Numbered 409775 > > This e-mail is only intended for the person(s) to whom it is addressed and may > contain confidential information. Unless stated to the contrary, any opinions > or comments are personal to the writer and do not represent the official view of > the company. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us > immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. > Please do not copy it or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to > any other person. Thank you for your co-operation. > ** > Can anyone tell me more about DJ Magda? I'm going to catch Richie's set at The > End this Saturday and read this on the e-flyer from them - > Richie takes of the > main room with accompaniment from Detroit's hottest new star DJ Magda. > Is Magda really Detroit's "hottest new star??" > > GG > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] OT - download stuff
> what are good alternatives to napster? buying the cd's so the artists make some money. If you complain that you can't get distribution in your area, your not trying hard enough, you have the web in the palm of your hand, and there aren't that many record labels without websites anymore, and if they don't have one some web based company sells their cd's anyways. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] WTC ET AL
Thanks to Lester for his warming and thoughtful comments. I only hope the US president can think as clearly as he has. I'm really frightened at this point in time. The president has announced his intent to retaliate (but without detail), according to sources at slashdot.org and various news pages, the military is on the highest alert (threatcon delta). I really hope that this is not the only solution, I sincerely feel for all in DC and NYC and all on the planes that were crashed. I hope everyone I know is alright. take care, stay well todd - Original Message - From: "Lester Kenyatta Spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "the family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:02 PM Subject: [313] WTC ET AL > I'm sending this to a few different lists as a sidenote... > > In the wake of this tragedy, I've already seen implicit and explicit > newscoverage blaming Palestine, and Palestinians for the tragic event. > NBC cameras have gone to the West Bank showing cheering children. Brokaw > has called this "a declaration of war." > > The bottom line is WE DO NOT KNOW WHO DID THIS. I've already had an > argument with a student who wanted to "bomb them to hell," referring to > Arabs/Palestinians. And I heard one professor mutter something that > sounded an awful lot like a racial slur after seeing the cheering > spectators on the West Bank. PLEASE DO NOT FALL VICTIM TO THE > MILITARISTIC IMPULSE! This is a time for prayer and reflection... > > Secondly I've received a couple of emails with "chicken-roost"-type > language. Not only is such language inappropriate given the > tragedybut given the heightened security measures the government > usually takes at times like this, such language can be DANGEROUS. Do not > USE such language over the net. > > This is a dire time. But we have two choiceswe can either be human, > or be barbaric. > > > lks > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] WTC
I just heard, a unconfirmed report that there was a 727 crash in Pennsylvania as well. The CN tower in Toronto has been closed as well, all US flights have been rerouted to Canada. Cheers todd - Original Message - From: "diana potts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [313] WTC > > I just watched the second world trade center collapse > moments ago. > > I was supposed to go in tonight to see Matthew > Herbert play and well...celebrate my birthday. Maybe > my family and i can make some techno in the kitchen > for something to the same effect. > > I hope all the nyc and washington DC 313'ers are safe > and sound.perhaps those stranded can gather up and get > a room uptown and have a party of their own.:) > > > d > > > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Seems I'm stuck here at the office for a while as > > everything in NYC is shut down. For those of you > > outside the area, I can tell you that it's pretty > > crazy here in NYC. I'm guessing that Richie will not > > play tonight at Centro-Fly. Was anyone on the list > > planning to go? > > > > -dave (wondering how I will get home to Connecticut) > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger > http://im.yahoo.com > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] DE9 closer
There's nothing next level about DE9 'Closer to the Edit', only the fact that all the people who have done it before him have either 1. Never been noticed in the first place. or 2. Got noticed but have long since been forgotten. A great many producers (hip-hop, trip-hop, breaks etc.) consistently use this process to create tracks, Richie has simply made 31 tracks in the same vein, segued them together and called it 'innovation' (His publicist spin I'm sure..). I've listened to the recording alot lately, it sounds like an experiment, no flow, just tracks, intended for the mind to bounce along too. The Gescom MD was certainly much more interesting, this still posseses linearity. Rich uses what seems like a lot of Perlon (I know two or three for sure), but in the most linear fashion possible. He could have made some awesome breakdown edits (to let the music breathe), or to give it an added 'wanna-bust-a-move' attitude, but instead he kept it pretty thumping (making it seem tracky, and boring). Like the last DE9 this one won't be in my collection, though I'm sure I'll hear enough of it everywhere I go. CHeers todd - Original Message - From: "Leif Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [313] DE9 closer > I thought that was the point of this release, to inspire volumes of mailing > list discussion attempting to catalogue all of the samples and loops that he > uses, and what track they came from. Gotta catch 'em all or somesuch thing. > > The DE9 record reminds me a bit of the Minidisc project that Autechre did > under their Gescom alias. It was a collection of 88 small snippets of tracks > and samples that was intended to be played with the shuffle feature of your > Minidisc player. So each time you played the disc it would result in a new > listening experience. > > I found the new DE9 to be very interesting. I can't say that it's my > favorite Hawtin record, but I definitely respect him for trying to take > Techno to that next level. > > Leif > > - Original Message - > From: Vince Woolums <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: 313 List <313@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 10:17 AM > Subject: Re: [313] DE9 closer > > > > Hello. > > > > To my knowledge there is no 'track listing' per se, because of the nature > of > > the mix. Lots of track titles are included as points of reference, but > the > > order in which they are listed is not the order in which they are played. > > There is also nothing that subscribes to the traditional track-after-track > > approach. Bits of track recur at random times throughout the mix. > > > > Makes sense, right? > > > > Vince Woolums > > AOL IM: vincewoolums > > http://jump.to/iowacityunderground > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] new order
Remixes of 'Crystal' are out this week, you'll be surprised at who got the rmx duties. Cheers todd - Original Message - From: "lazlo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Martijn de Blaauw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [313] new order > We'll likely see the "classic" New Order (i.e. dancey stuff) on the remixes and > on a possible EP out next year in conjunction with Chemical Brothers (it wasn't > finished in time for the album). But if you come to Get Ready with any sort of > expectation that it's going to carry on from where either Republic or Technique > left off, you'll likely be disappointed. Get Ready smells of both the > Electronic and Monaco projects as much as it does Brotherhood, which would be > about the only other referent in terms of the foursome's previous previous > output solo or as New Order. > > I would offer "Someone Like You" as the standout track on the album, for the > reason that it's a pristine yet mature pop track of strong vocal harmonies, > Hook's bass solos, Gilbert's incredible synths/effects, and Sumner's lost-boy > mumbling--all in a slick, tight package. It's a step aside...with class. > > laz > > Martijn de Blaauw wrote: > > > Hi all, > > Bought the new album of New Order ´get ready´ yesterday. > > After 8 years of silence they still sound pretty good!! > > Although it´s more of rockier sound they play nowadays, > > it´s great to hear these guys again who have been such a big > > influence on the (acid)house-culture (a bit of 313 here:) > > Hearing Bernard Sumner´s voice and Hooky´s bassline again > > brought back some great memories..aaah..the early days:) > > try it, if you can!!! (opinions??) > > Best regards > > Martijn > > > > Searchline IIC > > Van Breestraat 154 > > P.O. Box 9292 > > 1006 AG Amsterdam > > The Netherlands > > Tel: +31 (0)20 578 86 86 > > Fax: +31 (0)20 662 92 81 > > http://www.searchline-iic.com > > > > Disclaimer: > > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it, including replies and > > forwarded copies(wich may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from > > Searchline IIC, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended > > recipient.If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the system > > manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] dumb-unit
Canada will slowly take over the world. Check out www.techno.ca for some more great mixes. Cheers todd - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Is Prince the root of all Techno?
Thanks, that was somewhat informative, but saying punk was heavily influenced by Dub and Reggae because The Clash wrote some jams and they were influenced by it, does not mean the entire genre was. Unless of course you are saying The Clash were the progenitors of punk, but that's a whole other ball of wax. Cheers todd - Original Message - From: "miss lauryn g" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "M. Todd Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "313 List" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [313] Is Prince the root of all Techno? > > > > Do you have any evidence of this? Can you support this claim? Are you Iggy > > Pop? The only influence Dub and Reggae may have had on punk is the message > > they tried to get across. Ska was directly influenced by the rhythms and > > sounds of Dub and Reggae as is apparent in the music, however Ska-punk cross > > pollination really didn't happen until about '88 when Operation Ivy hit the > > scene. Unless you consider The Specials and The English Beat 'punk', I'd > > really like to know where you got this idea. > > > > http://www.appleonline.net/fantompowa/baines_reggae.htm > > that pretty much will sum it up for you right there. :) > > he is correct. punk was heavily influenced by reggae and dub. > > -l > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Is Prince the root of all Techno?
Somebody wrote: ~~ Well, Back in the day Detroit had a largish punk scene. One of punks primary influences was Jamaican reggae & dubb. Just had to bring it all back full circle. ~~ Do you have any evidence of this? Can you support this claim? Are you Iggy Pop? The only influence Dub and Reggae may have had on punk is the message they tried to get across. Ska was directly influenced by the rhythms and sounds of Dub and Reggae as is apparent in the music, however Ska-punk cross pollination really didn't happen until about '88 when Operation Ivy hit the scene. Unless you consider The Specials and The English Beat 'punk', I'd really like to know where you got this idea. Cheers todd - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Re: Detroit + Dance
There was also a great remix package of that album featuring Alter Ego, Underworld, Speedy J, Bzet, Hardfloor and Aural Float. Combined both the album and the remixes define an important era of electronic music, where pigeon holing was something the critics tried to do but failed at, and everybody dug MUSIC instead of a specific genre. I really miss that era. Cheers todd - Original Message - From: "Berislav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "313" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 5:12 AM Subject: RE: [313] Re: Detroit + Dance > > > > > > There was that nasty Sven Vath album, the name escapes me but it was really > pretentious and along the lines of - the robot the ballerina and the > something or other > > > it was "harleqin, robot, and the ballet dancer", but i think it was not made > with idea to be ballet or something classical. It was big mix, between > trance, ambient, and it showed that piano can be used as instrument in > electroinc music. > > at that time it was really good piece of music. > > > > > > > Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 09:37:24 +1000 > To: 313 Detroit <313@hyperreal.org> > From: "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Detroit + Dance > Message-Id: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hey Cyclone's obscure question for the day > > Does anyone know of any ballet (or dance) productions that may have been > based on techno (or electronic music, per se). I know Laurent Garnier did > something in Paris, I can't remember its name. I am interested in compiling > a list. Apparently the Australian Ballet performed X, a ballet based on > tribal drum patterns a while ago > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] ANyone know about Finalscratch (maybe OT)
Jayson, Your forgetting another large point, not only must every DJ spend a large chunk of money on records and equipment already, but in order to utilize final scratch you have to have a mid ranged laptop, the software and the hardware. To many DJ's adding another $2000-3000 to the already large equipment list will probably deter most local and small time DJ's getting into something like this. It will be a long time before Final Scratch becomes the norm for a party or a club. FS' audience is limited to high paid DJ's and tech headz. Record labels don't really make money off large name DJ's (since most get a bunch of stuff on promo), and tech headz are probably already using Traktor to mix mp3's. Cheers todd - Original Message - From: "Jayson B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 12:48 PM Subject: RE: [313] ANyone know about Finalscratch (maybe OT) > > >and if it's dollars that techno > >label people are worried about, there are other ways to make money in >this > >world. if they're smart enough to tie their shoes or walk and >chew gum at > >the same time, they'll carry on. i don't see it affecting >them adversely > >though... but if it does, the music is more important >than the > >inconvenience to them, and new music's why they're there to begin with. > > > > except those people who's LIVES are those record labels need to put food on > the table ryan. It may be about the music, but there are people out there > who put their entire being into this music, and that includes time they > could be spending at another job making more money. THEY need to be > compensated. I sure as hell wouldn't expect them to sit in poverty working > on music just so i can say how purist they are. Last time i checked ryan, > you still have a job. Why don't you quit your job and put the risk that > these guys have put in? maybe then your tune will change on that subject. > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] ANyone know about Finalscratch (maybe OT)
Hmm,
Despite what George Says
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/27/christian_bloch.html
Christian seems to be doing just fine :)
Cheers
todd
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Subject: Re: [313] ANyone know about Finalscratch (maybe OT)
> In theory - you're right. In practice - totally off. MP3.com promised to
> offer something similar to what you speak of ("...think of what it will do
> to artist exposure as well as profit margins..." with "...the
> potential to sell hundreds of thousands or copies of a given track
> worldwide
> in digital format..." ) . Some have made a nice amount of change on
MP3.com
> and even got signed to record companies, etc. However, the remainder of
> artists end up buried under the thousands of others. Cost to get started
> with MP3.com is $0, cost to maintain your site and administer on MP3.com
is
> $0, and your chances of making a dime on MP3.com is about 0 as well.
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> jonathan morse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 08/15/2001 10:40:55 AM
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> indeed...imagine when you can downlaod a track for say $.50 or $1.00
> directly from a labels web site rather than pay $6 - $10 or more for the
> 12"
> which both the distributor and the shop have added their cost to. granted
> it
> puts the middlemen out of business but thats the breaks i guess.
>
> just think of what it will do to artist exposure as well as profit
margins.
> the up front cost of maintaining an FTP server is nothing compared to
those
> of pressing and distributing vinyl let alone the fact that there's the
> potential to sell hundreds of thousands or copies of a given track
> worldwide
> in digital format rather than tens of thousands on vinyl.
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QRe: [313] ANyone know about Finalscratch (maybe OT)
While I agree with what Lauryn has said for the most part (because we have already seen the effect of Napster on the music industry). We must include one more particularily special point. MP3 Quality at less than a bit rate of 192 sounds shoddy on the extreme low end and extreme high end. MP3 is a compression algorithm which lops off the signal at the extent of the human hearing range (ie 20, 000 Hz but most codecs lop off around 16, 000), and the sub-extent of human hearing (around 20hz but again most codecs lop off around 100Hz). When listening at home this isn't so bad since most in home stereo systems already reduce extreme low-high end by means of a crossover either in the speaker itself or digitally in the amplifier. At the club however the is no roll off, and things like these become more apparent. Worse is the fact that despite our inability to hear these frequencies, we can hear the harmonics that they create with frequencies we do hear. Moreover even without knowledge the producer of the track may have utilized those particular harmonics. With MP3 those will never be heard. I've heard both MP3's and vinyl on the same system, and to be honest unless you have a good soundcheck and all your files are recorded and EQ'ed properly beforehand, your set will sound lackluster. MP3's with a bitrate higher than 192 sound great, the higher the better, but they take up more room. As we progress into a generation where physical memory is no longer an issue I'm sure this will become more viable. Cheers todd - Original Message - From: "miss lauryn g" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [313] ANyone know about Finalscratch (maybe OT) > i think the idea of this technology is fantastic. however, what i am > wondering is what this is going to do to the independent record label > industry. use of mp3s right now doesn't currently affect them as much as > it does the major record labels. but what this is going to do is > discourage buying vinyl. (at least that is how i see it.) all you have to > do is basically find a track online or find a friend with that record and > rip an mp3. it's going to cause a lot of producers to not make any money. > i wonder how much people are going to start fighting within the dance > music community after this becomes readily available. i personally think > that final scratch is going to be pretty popular and that after it gets > some more attention, it's going to be utilized by more and more people, > especially after they see that it works so well. it's just also a question > of people supporting their artists and buying the vinyl still. (which > is something that i would still be doing if i really really wanted a > certain track...it would cause a lot less of that "h why did i buy > THAT?" syndrome that i occasionally get here and there if i used final > scratch and just had an mp3 of the track.) > > i dunno...i'm just going to sit back and watch and see how people start > changing their minds on the mp3 argument when it starts affecting THEM. > > -l > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Planetary Assault Systems
Been listening to the new Planetary Assault Systems LP 'Atomic Funkster' and boy do these guys still know how to rock it! I highly recommend this one to anyone who likes it hard & pumpin'. Among the eight new tracks is a great remix of 'Booster'. Luke Slater and Hulal are still clearly ahead of their time. Cheers todd - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Save the vinyl info
> It's so sad the state of TECHNO, the early 90's innovative years seem light > years away. I mean who of the old guys listens to "techno" anymore? No one, > they've all gone house or to more sophisticated genres. Jim, All I can say is thank god, someone else remembers when you could go into a shop listen to 20 different records and be surprised at how different each record sounded. While there is still some serious innovation going on in techno I truly miss the ingenuity of early 90's techno, how people would thrive on hearing diversity (and I don't mean just techno). Producers these days seem more satisfied to sit on a certain sound (call it a style if you will), moreover more and more producers are bandwagoning particular styles or sounds (air frog? anyone else tired of that yet). When big name *respected* producers just bang on a particular sound it gives little inspiration for those that follow (and they do exist, and they do do these things) to do little else. I do see a change in the tide now though, as someone stated in an earlier post, there has been a slight return to musicality. To which I'm really quite happy, drum traxx were great as long as they didn't comprise a whole DJ set. I must say that the one producer who I have followed religously since the early 90's and who has always been innovative, fresh and new is Troy Geary aka DJ Slip. This man has never put out two records that sound alike, and his early work on Missle (like 'Sketches v.2) used to pump crowds in Toronto all the time. I don't remember the last time I made a techno or IDM mix without using a DJ Slip record! Others I've been watching for a while: Exos, Villalobos (his new mixed cd is wicked!), Stewart Walker, Oscar Mulero, Hakan Libdo (though his output of late has been thumbs down). Cheers todd - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Brainstorm "Hot for You" Sample.
There's an older Chris Simmonds track on Cross Section that samples this, as well as the flip side of the ultra well known Pepe Bradock's Burning. Cheers todd - Original Message - From: "DJ Space Ace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 5:34 PM Subject: [313] Brainstorm "Hot for You" Sample. > Hmm. I do know of one other track that is fairly recent that samples > that, And also I have actually just done a remix of a track for DJ Nitro > out of Kansas City that samples from that song, you can hear the > original and my remix on my website below > > -- > > Peace, > > Dave Mitchell / DJ Space Ace > Disco Phever Records - Detroit > web: http://www.discophever.com > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Save the vinyl info
Shades of Jae, and a large number of other Moodymann titles have been repressed at least twice (last summer for sure, and once before that in recent memory). Let's face facts: 1. Record pressing plants want to make money ergo they press the records people pay them to press. 2. One man's trash is another man's treasure. Cheers todd - Original Message - From: "Lee Herrington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 4:28 PM Subject: RE: [313] Save the vinyl info > you know I have always wondered what keeps some artists from having > their "classic" work repressed. I would love to be able to stop by Bent > Crayon and pick up early Metamorphic, or KDJ EP's. For whatever reason > after the first 800-3000 copies are distributed and sold that's it. The > Peacefrog label even has a compilation series called "deletions" [a > collection of long out-of-print vinyl titles]. > I caught an earful of "shades of jae" the other week. Intrigued, I > attempted to locate a merchant or distributor that carried a copy. No luck. > Perhaps the artists or labels do not feel there is enough demand to justify > the cost of a second issue. Makes you wish you could go back in time. > > save the vinyl > > -Original Message- > From: Michael Kim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 4:08 PM > To: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [313] Save the vinyl info > > >From: "jim proffit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: 313@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [313] Save the vinyl info > >Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 07:10:27 > > > >fabrice Lig: > > > >>>I talked several times to some people from Vinyl pressing factories and > >>>eachone told me that they are really really busy and always too much > >>>records to press. > > > >Michael Kim: > > > >>how about cutting down the number of bad releases instead? ;) > > well i was just kidding (notice the wink sign), but i'll continue this > discussion for the hell of it... read on > > >I think cutting down the number of releases would eventually be > >catastrophic > >for this music scene. > > > >Factories would have to close down their businesses when there wouldn't be > >enough work (records to make) and thus cause the pressing prices go higher > >and higher, making it useless to release this music on vinyl when at the > >end > >a record could cost you twice as much as it does now. > > > >Only the strongest pressing plants would survive, and eventually there'd be > >only 2 or 3 pressing plants IN THE WHOLE WORLD. > >Not much choice there. > > > >I think this effect is already showing the way average record price has > >been > >steadily rising in the last 15 years, and the amount of new dance releases > >per month should now be higher that ever? > > i think that's mostly due to inflation. i mean, nobody claims the reason > for higher burger prices is due to mad cow disease, right? higher cost of > operation, higher prices to the consumer. price of a Big Mac combo meal 15 > years ago sure wasn't over $4. > > i also don't think it would be that big a deal. i'm no economics expert, so > maybe my opinion isn't as valid as yours, but there are so many horrible > records coming out and so few pressings of good ones in comparison. why not > just make MORE copies of good records? i don't think you'll have problems > selling reissues of classics, look how fast Cybotron - Clear went. > > okay, maybe it might take a little bit of creativity out of the equation if > everybody has the same records, but i've seen horrible records sit in > shelves for years. a pressing plant may be pressing it, but if nobody buys > it, somebody's got to pay for that. > > also, look at how many Swedish imitation records come out. they sound the > same, no new ideas, more than half of the Swedish sounding records are > garbage. i mean, do these records really need to be released constantly? > if you miss one, you can find twenty others the next week that sound just > like it. on a big system, it's REALLY hard to differentiate between two > tracks a lot of the time because they're so similar. > > (note: i'm not trying to say all Swedish techno sounds bad, a lot of it is > quite good, but you all know the imitations i'm talking about) > > i really wish record pressing plants would concentrate on making more copies > of good records, and reissuing good older records and classics that they > KNOW will sell, rather than pressing the latest record that nobody will > remember or care about two weeks after its release. because people who are > relatively new to record buying, like me, can find the good stuff and buy > the classics up on sight. > > >It's a sort of Amazon jungle this "dance" music business; you have to have > >as many species as possible in order to keep the ecological balance. > > yeah, but how many other people here are sick of listening to 50 bad records > to find 1 good one? bad not as in missed the boat, but bad as in copycat > bul
Re: [313] New Hip Hop + New Soul?
Ughhh, I mentioned it a few weeks back when I got it on promo at the shop. Compared to his earlier work this LP is crud, the rhymes are weak (could we rhyme a little more about weed? Cmon.) and the production is subpar when compared to his last LP. I love all the earlier stuff and I was really anticipating this LP but after many listens I still can't get my groove on to more than two tracks. The new Poets of Rhythm "Discern/Define" on Big Dada however is funk fuelled craziness with a great laidback attitude. Also watch out for the new Aesop Rock LP comin out in Sept called 'Labor Day' better than 'Float' and crazier than 'Appleseed' Cheers todd - Original Message - From: "Rob Theakston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Holly MacDonald-Korth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'marsel'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 12:33 PM Subject: RE: [313] New Hip Hop + New Soul? > nope. jay dee is from slum village, part of a production group called the > Ummah which was behind some of the beats for Tribe Called Quest, PhatKat and > a few other artists. he's done a hella lot of work in the past two years > aside from Slum Village, and most everything is beautfiul, sparse hip hop. > > on the new hip hop soul tip, i can not BELIEVE no one mentioned ROOTS > MANUVA. do not walk...run to your nearest shop and pick up his new LP, "run > come save me" on big dada/ninja tune. simply amazing hip hop. > also, check his first album "Brand New Second Hand" which had tracks > produced by West London beat guru IG Culture. > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] MUSIC MAN TEN
Also the repress of Virtuon by Sterac is not to be missed. There was an extremely hard industrial LP called Gaiden (Steve Stoll had something to do with it). DJ Slip has released a couple on MM lately "Microwarz" being one of them. A few others that John didn't mention that slip my mind right now, I love that Berkovi though, his best work to date! Cheers todd - Original Message - From: "John Osselaer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [313] MUSIC MAN TEN > I tend to disagree. Not much happening? What about the album and maxi by > Justin Berkovi, the Cherry Bomb live thingy, Pacou and coming soon a Steve > Rachmad mixcd, a Damon Wild album and a Bandulu album. > > > >Music Man have lately been putting all their eggs in the Chicago basket... > > ---> Berkovi, Cherry Bomb, Bandulu = UK > ---> Pacou: Berlin > ---> Damon Wild: NY > > More eggs where those came from! :-) > > John > > P.S. Yeah, the new Velvet album kicks ass! > > > >They released a couple of things from Phuture 303, which was totally > >uninspired IMO, hardish acidic techno. And they are about to storm the > >techno world with a new Green Velvet LP shortly, which is promising to be > >huge and a lot different from his latest stuff. DJ Hell was totally wild > >about the new material because of the 80ies feel in it. > > > >Other than that, the MM camp is pretty quiet. > > > >RD > > > >On Wed, 01 Aug 2001 11:36:36 +0200 Otto Koppius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >wrote: > > >ryan burns wrote: > > > > > >> i was poking around sonics web site and found a record one music man > >called > > >> TEN (i think) its buy kenny larkin and Sterac around 1996. that sounds > >like > > >> quite the duo. any reviews on this record? > > > > > >Ten - "Bassbin" (Music Man 020) > > >Kenny Larkin and Steve Rachmad both remixed this track, the original is > > >by A. Faassen and A. D'Onorio (no, I've never heard of them either). > > >It's pretty typical of what Music Man was doing around that time: > > >groovy, melodic techno. The remixes are good, I slightly prefer the > > >hypnotic bouncy feel of Kenny's remix. It's no classic, but you could > > >certainly do a lot worse as it's pretty solid all around. > > > > > >I haven't been following Music Man recently (haven't seen any of them > > >lately to be honest?!). Are they still around? Any thoughts on recent > > >output? > > > > > >Otto > > > > > > > > > > > >- > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > >Interested in Turkey? Visit http://www.turkey.com! > > > >- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Tiga
Tiga is a great DJ from Montreal, with a recent mixed cd released through Turbo, and as mentioned the rmx of Corey Hart (another Canadian!). Tiga has been laying it down for as long as I can remember and probably before (which means at least 10 years). An incredible DJ don't miss this performance. You can listen to a bit of Tiga's mix at http://www.turborecords.ca/mar_cd_013.html Cheers todd - Original Message - From: "Grammenos, Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 9:54 AM Subject: [313] Tiga > > Does anyone have any kind words to say about Tiga? > > I've not heard of him/her and he/she is playing @ Tronic tonight in NYC > along with Luna. > > --- > Peter Grammenos > Goldman Sachs & Co. > Tel : 212.902.2446 > --- > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] bernard badie
Could someone tell me which EP "Can you feel it" came out on? For those who need reference it's Bernard's track that DJ Hell plays on Xmix5 Cheers todd ::: :__: :___:__ :___:__ desire the vague - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] The Master of Minimalism on thursday
terry - Original Message - From: "Jayson B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 7:17 PM Subject: [313] The Master of Minimalism on thursday > Who's going to See terry at the DIA Thursday? you should. He's essentially > one of the inventers of TRUE post modern minimilast music. History lesson. > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Moby, underground techno
POP! Oh I can't wait til we see Berislav in the big lights headlining the "I MADE IT" festival. Yes Berislav's latest tune "I am Underground" has gone double platinum overnight!! Berislav has been invited to make millions of dollars touring with a full orchestra and a bus full of grill cheese sandwiches. But don't fret folks because everyone knows that artists who go double platinum have MILLIONs of dollars to spend, and don't need or want their music to be heard by anyone. Why would Bersilav sell his music to advertisements when he can eat all those grill cheese sandwiches on the bus? Shit happens, roll with the punches, or kill yourself like Kurt Kobain. -todd - Original Message - From: "Berislav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "313" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 9:02 AM Subject: RE: [313] Moby, underground techno > > > Honestly I think some people here have to start making up their minds, > always stating that techno is underground and should not become commercial > and at the same time always complaining about lack of exposure or being mad > whenever a big event does not pay respect to the underground. > > What'll it be? > > RD > > In the beggining techno was underground, but then it was only techno, today > everybody that use somekind of filter is techno. > > So if we talking about big events you cant make event, book Moby, FBS, > Underworld(without emerson), Paul van Dyk and call it Techno, because its > POP. > > you can stop that some records go out of thier original place on scene, but > when you start to make songs with that purpose you are history for > underground electronic music. Then you go on "Top of the Pops". > > Long time ago Moby and crew made that. > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] fat boy slim -> Shut up
Oh I'm sorry, Yesterday I bought 7 techno records they are all great, Here's my playlist from last week, don't I like the best techno? WAIT Don't forget to come see me play at the SuCKaZ festival next thursday from 11pm-dawn. I'll be breakin out a crate of Jager and some dope white labels that everyone will scream for. -Todd (Whining about whiners = redundancy) - Original Message - From: "Brian Walsh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "M. Todd Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "313" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [313] fat boy slim -> Shut up > > Who cares. Shut up. nuff said. > > Let me know when you guys plan on talking about Detroit techno again. I > like techno but I hate people who whine so shut up and let the music > speak for itself. > > -Brian > > (Way too many long messages = ignored email) > > > On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, M. Todd Smith wrote: > > > I hope you all get large and have to deal with a dozen interviews a week. > > Then we'll see who's an ass and who isn't. FBS is british what the f*** > > does he care about XFL. Out of the three interviews that I've read with > > him, he appears to be totally into his gear (especially his sampler), and > > enjoys hanging out at his house and making music. Could any of you wish for > > anything more? Or maybe he should more concerned about global issues? Like > > Moby, that self righteous SOB who's been a marketing tool for the industry > > for so long now? Do you think Moby labels himself techno? It's the > > industry people that label everything, open your freaking eyes! We call it > > what we want, journalists call it what they think everyone will understand > > it to be (write for the lowest common denominator, christ aren't half of you > > people journalists anyways?). > > > > Some people seem to have problems when people on this list talk about DJ XYZ > > (from Detroit's) bad drug habit, or how f***ed he/she looked when playing > > out last night, or moreover how insanely egotistical they've become in the > > last three years. However the same people have nothing to say in defence of > > international artists who don't hit so close to home (with the exception of > > Cyclone, who is probably the most professional and loving person I've never > > had the chance of meeting). > > > > As for the phrase 'throwaway pop music' how many people are going to be able > > to remember what 'Rockafella Skank' sounds like three years from now? How > > many people are going to remember what Kenny Larkin's 'Solace' sounds like? > > 'Throwaway pop music' is a relative term and could apply to your tunes > > tommorow. Wouldn't that make you sad? > > > > Cheers > > todd > > - Original Message - > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <313@hyperreal.org> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 4:28 AM > > Subject: [313] fat boy slim > > > > > > > 313, > > > > > > There have been a volley of emails recently slating Fat Boy Slim and Moby > > > as being the coporate whores of the dance music 'industry'. Whilst there > > > are more pertinent subjects on the agenda, I would still like to make a > > > distinction between the two. I'd don't for one moment like FBS's music. > > The > > > fact that it is widely liked, I put down to the general public's low > > > standards. However, it is fairly clear that the man does not take himself > > > too seriously, he has fun doing what he's doing, and he gives people a lot > > > of pleasure. He's been making throwaway pop music for decades and he's > > good > > > at it. I saw it at first hand on Brighton (England) beach a couple of > > weeks > > > ago. > > > Moby, on the other hand, makes insipid music of the worst kind, made for > > TV > > > advertisements. He's takes himself very seriously, is always trying to get > > > in on the latest fad/fashion and is a moody t***. > > > My conclusion is not that we should include FBS in the topics of > > > conversation, rather that we should refrain from slating artists who have > > > no pretensions, are just doing their thing. There are much more important > > > things to promote. > > > > > > Al > > > > > > > > >
Re: [313] fat boy slim
I hope you all get large and have to deal with a dozen interviews a week. Then we'll see who's an ass and who isn't. FBS is british what the f*** does he care about XFL. Out of the three interviews that I've read with him, he appears to be totally into his gear (especially his sampler), and enjoys hanging out at his house and making music. Could any of you wish for anything more? Or maybe he should more concerned about global issues? Like Moby, that self righteous SOB who's been a marketing tool for the industry for so long now? Do you think Moby labels himself techno? It's the industry people that label everything, open your freaking eyes! We call it what we want, journalists call it what they think everyone will understand it to be (write for the lowest common denominator, christ aren't half of you people journalists anyways?). Some people seem to have problems when people on this list talk about DJ XYZ (from Detroit's) bad drug habit, or how f***ed he/she looked when playing out last night, or moreover how insanely egotistical they've become in the last three years. However the same people have nothing to say in defence of international artists who don't hit so close to home (with the exception of Cyclone, who is probably the most professional and loving person I've never had the chance of meeting). As for the phrase 'throwaway pop music' how many people are going to be able to remember what 'Rockafella Skank' sounds like three years from now? How many people are going to remember what Kenny Larkin's 'Solace' sounds like? 'Throwaway pop music' is a relative term and could apply to your tunes tommorow. Wouldn't that make you sad? Cheers todd - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 4:28 AM Subject: [313] fat boy slim > 313, > > There have been a volley of emails recently slating Fat Boy Slim and Moby > as being the coporate whores of the dance music 'industry'. Whilst there > are more pertinent subjects on the agenda, I would still like to make a > distinction between the two. I'd don't for one moment like FBS's music. The > fact that it is widely liked, I put down to the general public's low > standards. However, it is fairly clear that the man does not take himself > too seriously, he has fun doing what he's doing, and he gives people a lot > of pleasure. He's been making throwaway pop music for decades and he's good > at it. I saw it at first hand on Brighton (England) beach a couple of weeks > ago. > Moby, on the other hand, makes insipid music of the worst kind, made for TV > advertisements. He's takes himself very seriously, is always trying to get > in on the latest fad/fashion and is a moody t***. > My conclusion is not that we should include FBS in the topics of > conversation, rather that we should refrain from slating artists who have > no pretensions, are just doing their thing. There are much more important > things to promote. > > Al > > > -- > Warning : The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and then delete it from your computer. All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Providian Financial corporate e-mail system and is subject to archiving and review by someone other than the recipient. > > == > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] What's the buzz?
Ok, Things to consider: Did you check to see if the buzz occured when either table was playing through the mixer? ** if it's one table or the other than your problem is with either the table or the channel on the mixer. Did you check to make sure that your tables are grounded securely? **sometimes a little roughness on the mixer can loosen them. Did you try changing the table to another channel? Is there still a hum? **if it's a hum that occurs on all channels with either table, and your sure your groundlines are properly connected, then it's a problem in your mixer->amp path. Tighten all connections! **loose connections can easily be loosened further. Give me more specs about your setup (ie.1200's?, amp? speakers? how it's all connected?) Cheers todd - Original Message - From: "Lee Herrington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 8:58 AM Subject: [313] What's the buzz? > > Hello. I know this may be considered a gear question. However, since the > subject of my inquiry impedes my enjoyment of 313 trax. blah blah blah. > Here goes. Does anyone have any tips for getting rid of the intermittent > buzzing I get from my mixer [Numark dm2000x]? I have heard that the unit > may be grounded improperly. It's pretty annoying to be 45 minutes into a > mix and have a deep Rick Wade track spoiled by the electric hum. Any info > would be appreciated. Thanks. > > peace > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Michael Burkat - Indianapolis, IN - August 18, 2001
And the 313 relevance of this party is??? Sorry one too many crappy messages hitting my mail box lately, and yes I already know about the delete key. Cheers todd - Original Message - From: "Eric Frazier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 7:13 PM Subject: [313] Michael Burkat - Indianapolis, IN - August 18, 2001 > > DESIRE: > On August 18, 2001, the Indianapolis scene comes back in full force with an > event unlike any other. The show will be taking place in one of Indiana's > premier concert venues with the best sound and lights available. Thanks to > everyone who has shown us overwhelming support in throwing legitimate > electronic music concerts. > > OneTouch Entertainment: > OneTouch Entertainment was created for the purpose of legitimizing > electronic music entertainment through education and by bringing the worlds > best artists to established concert venues at a low price. Please support > us and everyone else out there who has a passion for the music and a Desire > to help keep electronic music culture alive. > > The Lineup: > > Michael Burkat > Fine Audio Recordings, Compressed Records, Touch Tone, FSAM, UCMG, > www.michaelburkat.de - Germany > -OneTouch Entertainment has been given the very special opportunity to bring > one of the finest Techno producers in the world to Indianapolis for his > first ever North American performance. Michael Burkat has traveled > extensively in his home country of Germany and all throughout Europe and > will finally make this exclusive one-time-only appearance in America. As > the director of several highly respected labels including Compressed and > Fine Audio, his long list of releases has found acclaim worldwide. This > unique two hour set with deep layers and clearly structured sounds will be > nothing short of amazing. This is truly a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to > see one of the world's best. > > Tommie Sunshine > FFRR/Xylophone Jones/Pleazure - Chicago > -This Chicago native has made a name for himself all over the country by > being one of the hardest working men in the industry. From starting > Satellite Records in Georgia to being the promotional director of DustTraxx > Recordings Inc., this man has done it all. Hearing his unique mixing style > of electro and house you can't help but get up and dance. We welcome a > pioneer of electronic music back to Indy for a set that has been know to > tear up the dance floor and leave all competition in the dust. > > Slater Hogan > UnderGround Construction, TeknoMafia, Last Call Recordings > -This man hasn't played in Indianapolis in quite some time. Now he's back to > celebrate the release of his new CD "Four Times Harder". We'll be giving > away free copies all night long. Come out to hear him blend and tweek his > records to house music bliss. > > Dreadnaught *Live PA* > Purdue Beat Society - Chicago > -From a dark jumbled mess of drum machines, synths, and cables alone stands > Dreadnaught. He will be making the sounds live like no other. So hard it > will make your girlfriend blush, and make your momma cry. So come prepared > to witness this spectacle in sonic assault. > > DJ Gruve > Pro-Jex Recordings, Protodrum Records, FSAM - Chicago > -This man takes control of 3 turntables like no one I've seen. His > excellent sets of hard and funky beats get everyone on the dance floor. We > are bringing him down from Chicago to show Indy how it's done. > > Ian Douglas > OneTouch Entertainment - Indianapolis > -From relentless pounding beats to funky rhythms, Ian's unique sound is sure > to set the dance floor on fire. Come hear the future of techno. > > Ryan Stocklin > OneTouch Entertainment - Indianapolis > -Few DJ's have the ability to capture the true passion of house music as > Ryan can and does every time he steps in front of the tables. As original as > he is talanted, his set is not to be missed! > > FRAZh > OneTouch Entertainment - Indianapolis > -Prepare to be taken on a journey into the depths of thick layered-techno. > A rising star of the Indy underground. > > The Details: > > Venue: > We have secured a clean, safe, legal, well-established concert venue. This > is the best Indy has to offer, so please respect it! > > Sound/Visuals: > Thunderous sound and visuals galore have been uniquely designed for this > special night. Prepare yourself to be blown away by what you see and hear. > > Time: Doors open promptly at 8pm. Come early as the > headliners will start at 11:00. > > Age: This will be an all ages event! I.D. required to drink. > A full bar will be open all night for your drinking pleasure. > > Vendors and industry guestlist contact > OneTouch Entertainment online before August 12th. > > Main Infoline: 317-767-9089 > > $17.00 before 10 pm > $20.00 after > > FREE afterhours with admission > Full Bar open all night! > FREE CD/Poster giveaways > > Absolutely NO DRUGS, > paraphernalia, weapons, > or markers. R.O.A.R. > > For up-to-the-m
Re: Re: [313] curious?
Jayson I guess you missed lingo 101 last thursday so here's the update on funk and soul: funk: the groove that makes your body move soul: the emotion you feel from the music funk and soul have nothing to do with 'good' and 'solid'. In fact someone can mix with a plethora of funk and soul and still not be good or solid. if a track contains no funk or soul that it would probably not move or touch a crowd, it becomes the forgettable classic. The song you can't sing in your head, is the one you forget most often. Cheers todd - Original Message - From: "Jayson B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 4:32 PM Subject: RE: Re: [313] curious? > > >>This past tour he did, I witnessed a DJ set that any other hard Euro DJ > >>would have done. It was boring and funkless (basically loops). > > > > I'm sorry, but it really bothers me when the words 'funk' and 'soul' as if > they are synonymous with 'good' and 'solid.' *I* am not a person who has > funk or soul, does this mean i'm a bad person? Just because a track doesn't > contain these elements does not mean its bad. > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] electric deluxe: smith/selway rmx
I used to have the utmost respect for everything Selway touched. Since he started working with Christian though I only think his production has gone downhill. Cheers todd - Original Message - From: "Kyle J Dupuy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 8:46 PM Subject: [313] electric deluxe: smith/selway rmx > > > if you're going to remix a killer track like this you'd better do it > right. not so, here. they basically just threw in a weak bassline on top > of the old track. > > kyle says: two thumbs down > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Track I've been looking for forever!!
Bernard Badie: Can you Feel it: Night Club If anyone has any info on where I can find this or has a copy to sell please hit me back. Cheers todd - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] closer to the edit
Is it a new level, or is it just what K7 had people doing on the DJ Kicks
comps sooo many moons ago? I'm glad to hear that he's headed in a different
direction again.
Cheers
todd
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Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 9:45 AM
Subject: [313] closer to the edit
> received a promo copy on my desk this morning. absolutely sinful. i can't
> (and won't) mention all of the tracks by namebut thus far i've heard
> some rhythm n sound, basic channel, stewart walker, theorem, FUSE,
> Plastikman ("spastik") and carl craig ("the climax" and "4 My Peepz")
> amongst others. very tasteful umm.edits ( wouldn't call them mixes ),
> but he goes all over the place with this release as well, not just
straight
> ahead like the DE909.
>
> i don't know if this raises the bar for mix CDs...because it's more of an
> "edit CD" than anything..but whatever it isit's definitely worth a
> listen. he took it to a new level.
>
> rob
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Re: [313] The Music We Cherish or Peacefrog Compilation Info.
I have the vinyl version with 5 pieces as I stated before, the missing trax are: Chris Brann: Journey to the Centre Glenn Underground: Entercourse of the New Age Placid Angles: Everything Under the Sun. If you received only four pieces you are missing a piece of the actual set!, return it to your retailer and get your money back or get the whole set. If your set was sealed then this is a mess up at the at pressing and you should be able to get your money back, or exchange for a full set. Don't let this slip your missing out on some great trax! Cheers todd - Original Message - From: "Lee Herrington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 7:12 AM Subject: [313] The Music We Cherish or Peacefrog Compilation Info. > > > Hey folks. I imagine, like myself, that most 313'ers out there do not > have limitless finances to spend on the music that we cherish. As a result, > we place a great deal of effort in finding out as much information about a > new release as we can. I just felt that I would offer some information to > those of you who have had there eye on the 10.100 compilation and the > Detroit producers who grace its' trax. I recently purchased the vinyl > edition of the 10.100 compilation [PF100LP]. Much to my disappointment, I > found that there are tracks listed on the box set that are not present on > the actual compilation. > > The majority of e-merchants that I checked with list the comp. as > containing 5 LP's and twenty-three trax. This is not so. The vinyl edition > actually consists of 4 LP's and sixteen trax. The missing trax are as > follows: > stasis - moody ol teacher > luke slater - inductive channels > moodymann - mahogany brown > glenn underground - enetercourse of the new age > placid angles - everything under the sun > ian o'brien - midday sunshine > > The remainder of the trax is well worth the price of the comp. I checked > with the merchant and we went through several copies of the Peacefrog issue. > All of them listed twenty-three trax but only had sixteen [4 LP's]. I hope > this info is useful to you. Please don't let this message dissuade you from > acquiring this work. There is some fantastic material on this vinyl > compilation. I am not sure how the CD version measures up. Probably it has > all the tracks listed. Thank you. > LRH > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] DEMF highlights
I was at the Sound Signature party. Great stuff too bad about the bouncy system though KDJ sure laid it down tight! I know Theo was supposed to play but I didn't see him, I left after KDJ's set and at that point there had been only 3 DJ's (Ky ace (sp?), ??? and KDJ) anyone know who the second DJ was with the Michigan cap on? Cheers todd - Original Message - From: "Matthew Perkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 11:53 AM Subject: [313] DEMF highlights > Everyone's favourite after-party seems to have been > Jak put on by that guy with glasses not from Detroit. > Did no-one else make it to the SOund SIgnature party? > Damn, you missed out. Theo Parrish selling his as yet > unreleased sound signature records, Larry Heard > playing unreleased old chicago stuff, and KDJ laying > down a righteous and awesomely mixed disco set from > hell . . . thats what I came to Detroit for! > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] soundhack/soundstream
I had the first two releases mailed to me from a friend in Koln. I believe they were Hardwax only releases, so you have to go through them. www.hardwax.com They have the first two Soundhacks and the first release on Soundstream in their catalogue of D Labels. Anyone going to check out the Substance/Soundhack/Safety Scissors show tonight in Detroit? I'd love to hear a review of that as I had to come home to hand in an assignment. Cheers todd Cheers todd - Original Message - From: "Michael Kim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 11:07 PM Subject: Re: [313] soundhack/soundstream > > WOW... wow. i just took a listen to this, does anybody have copies of > this? particularly record stores that are based in the US, preferably > Detroit or somewhere near. yes, i'm asking for record stores to spam me in > case they have this... > > thanks! > Mike > > >From: "Michael Kim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Fwd: Re: [313] soundhack/soundstream > >Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 21:14:14 - > > > > > > > > > >>From: circonium <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>To: 313@hyperreal.org > >>Subject: Re: [313] soundhack/soundstream > >>Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 20:07:29 +0200 > >> > >>At 13:07 11.05.01 +1000, lo sens wrote: > >>>I got these sent over from Hardwax after hearing some > >>>of the tracks on copies belonging to a friend of mine, > >>>and recognising them as tracks that had my > >>>jaw-dropping a few times on the dancefloor. The style > >>>of the tracks is quite hard to describe. They're > >>>really overtly dancefloor oriented, but have quite > >>>complex sounds and rhythms going on: stuff I associate > >>>more with clicky homelistening tracks. Can someone > >>>else describe them? > >> > >> > >>there was an article about soundstream/soundhack > >>in de:bug magazine #32 which you can find here: > >>http://195.125.165.253/cgi-bin/debug.pl?what=show&part=texte&ID=1146 > >>- unfortunately it's german only. > >> > >>i read reviews that described the music as "cut-up > >>hyperfunk" which comes really close :) > >>here are two short realaudio clips of sound stream 01: > >>http://www.circonium.de/favourites/ > >>(march 2001 section) > >> > >>ines > >> > >> > >> > >>>--- Giles Dickerson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>>Where did you find these ? > >>> > > >>> > // giles > >>> > > >>> > lo sens wrote: > >>> > > >>> > > Hi > >>> > > > >>> > > I've just recently got hold of the 3 soundhack / > >>> > > soundstream releases: amazing genre-defying tracks > >>> > > that really hit a dancefloor hard. I understand > >>> > the > >>> > > ep's were big in Detroit (I heard Mills drop the > >>> > > soundstream track a couple of months ago). My > >>> > question > >>> > > is: who is this? I understand the person > >>> > responsible's > >>> > > from Berlin. Anyone have any more info? > >>> > > > >>> > > Cheers > >>> > > > >>> > > Chris > >> > >> > >>- > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Substance, SoundHack, Saftey Scissors Info
Here ya go straight from Microsound. Cheers todd > Substance-Basic Channel [ > SoundHack [ > Saftey Scissors > + very special guests > > performing the last evening of the DEMF at the > DETROIT CONTEMPORARY > 5141 Rosa Parks Blvd. > DETROIT, MI. > > midnight onwards > [tbc > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > website: http://www.microsound.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] LTJ cancels on the DEMF?
Strange, We never had any visa problems when we had him play in Cleveland. He is touring the States right now too isn't he? Cheers todd - Original Message - From: "Paul Hudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 6:38 AM Subject: Re: [313] LTJ cancels on the DEMF? > It's been written that he canceled because he was only going to play as a > favour to Carl in the first place. > > However, I do know that he has problems getting a work visa everytime he > goes to the states due to owning a criminal record, so maybe this was > causing him problems again. I just don't know. > > > doesn't anyone know why LTJ won't be playing the DEMF now? I'm hoping > some > > of our wonderful insiders out there will have the juice. > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Best post ever
YOu should have read it a little better the album is called Confield. Cheers todd - Original Message - From: "T.J.Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 12:08 PM Subject: [313] Best post ever > What do you think the best post/thread on this list ever was? > > My personal favorite was that dude who posted a 10 pager about boycotting DEMF because of Autechre's "Cornfield" album. I still laugh about that one... > > "May the force be with you..." > > TJ > www.djwraith.com <<=listen to my live mix! > www.mp3.com/wraith313 > www.outrecords.com > > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Track ID
It's an older Isolee record on playhouse either 10 or 14 I can't find it right now. Cheers todd - Original Message - From: "Some Pagan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 4:59 AM Subject: [313] Track ID > I always hate asking these questions because I'm always sure it's something > I should be able to name. > Kit Clayton's Set 1/8/00 on Betalounge about 23:00 the one with that melody > thing going on, what is it? and again about 25:15 > > Thanks > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] spam [OT]
Start unsubbing from everything, never enter your proper email address for anything (either that or start a hotmail junk account so that the scripts can actually process your email address, make sure you look at the hotmail account once every couple of weeks otherwise it will be deleted.) If you fill out a survey don't enter your address or anythign else that can somehow link it back to you (remember if they have your name and address chances are they can find your email addy too.) Sending copies to domain admins usually elicits no response or annoyance, they made it so you could unsub for a reason, don't bug them with that stuff. Hope all this helps todd - Original Message - From: "Nick Walsh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 6:18 AM Subject: [313] spam [OT] > Hi 313er's, > I am getting so much spam these days, I wonder if any > of you guys know what I can do about it other than > change my email address and disassociate myself from > every list, bbs and message board I've ever been > involved with... I never reply to them, or click > remove or unsubscribe, I send a copy of it to their > domain admin... but I reckon I must be on one of those > "1 million mugs you can sell anything to" cd-rom's... > Is there a better way of telling them to f*** off? > > Help please, > Nick:) > > > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk > or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] did richie's mom write this?
Jason, Your tax dollars may not be going directly to Canadian Law enforcement, but if your American your are contributing by drinking Canadian water and (in California) using Canadian hydro-electric power. If I'm correct (someone corrrect me if I'm not) both water works and hydro-electric power aren't yet privatized in the States. Therefore your federal tax dollars are being doled out to Canada for these commodities. It's a stickler's view but we do share the largest border in the world which pretty much means that in some way or another we share everything. Cheers from less than a thousand kilometers away todd - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "MD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [313] did richie's mom write this? > > If I remember correctly, this was written in response > > to the well publisized incident where Rich's party in > > Windsor was stopped by "the forces that be". > > That letter is HILARIOUS! Richie's really a freak, boy! What kinda commie > pinko parents are that? (just kidding...). It's cool, though. My folks are kind > of like that. They were crazy hippies. But I don't know if they'd go THAT far. > > I like this line: > > "The teenage years are special years - our offspring are flexing their > wings, preparing to fly." > > Yeah, fly into outerspace at those nifty nitrous parties :) > > > > > Hehehehe, I can also remember Rich saying something in > > an article about undercover cops following him around > > all day to see where he was going to try and set up > > the party. Great investment of tax payers money > > there. > > Sheeeit, ain't my taxpayin' dollars! Thems is those Cannuck dollars. > > -Jason > > "...either muthaf**kas don't know... don't show... or don't care about what's > going down in tha 'hood..." > > > > > - > This message was sent via the Ulsternet webmail system. > http://www.ulster.net > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Global Underground series
More on the subject, speaking of fake mixes DEFX909 anyone? todd - Original Message - From: "Jamil Ali" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 8:34 AM Subject: RE: [313] Global Underground series > On the subject of 'fake' mixes. are those DJ Assault mixes on the > submerge site done in pro-tools too? Cause there's quite a lot of tracks on > them > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] FS - PLanetary Assault Systems : Electric Funk Machine (Peacefrog)
When was the last time who released something? Planetary Assault System? Released a 3LP called Coad Warrior about 3 months ago, which was agroup of singles to begin with. Cheers todd - Original Message - From: "Hodgson, S. R. (Sean)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "mxyzptlk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 5:41 AM Subject: Re: [313] FS - PLanetary Assault Systems : Electric Funk Machine (Peacefrog) > Wowo, when was the last time they released something??? I loved that > track they released with the advent about 4 or 5 years > agosweet!!! > > sean > > mxyzptlk wrote: > > > > A friend of mine in the UK is looking to sell or trade this CD (mint). > > He asked me to post it here for the Slater fans. Email him (not me) > > at : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks and sorry for the intrusion. Oh, > > Weatherall's "Hypercity" mix is quite dandy...full of the like of MRI, Crane > > AK, Safety Scissors, Luomo, etc. > > jeff > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > __ > | The Equinox| > | www.metaphazerecords.com | > | Record Release coming this summer | > | Special international artist | > | to be released on label [Be Prepared] | > __ > |Sean HodgsonFuel Cell Program C264 | > |Hydro-Cooling Designer Ford Motor Company, TH!NK2 | > |shodgso2ford.com15000 Commerce Dr. North| > |Dearborn, MI 48120, U.S.A. | > || > | Phones:Desk(313)323.1033, Fax(313) 317-4758 | > __ > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Real audio 2 CDR(was online mix track id)
There are numerous program out there which allow you to capture streaming audio, use your search engine. Cheers todd - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 6:23 AM Subject: Re: [313] Real audio 2 CDR(was online mix track id) > Unless the file was created to be downloaded (non-streaming), you can't do > it. > > > > > > > Hansi "Güçlüer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 05/05/2001 01:16:00 PM > > To: Chris Tourgelis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 313@hyperreal.org > cc: > Subject: [313] Real audio 2 CDR(was online mix track id) > > > > i've started > > downloading mix-sets off the web > > and burning them to cdr > > Hello! > > This might be a stupid question but HOW does one > download a realaudio-mix to the harddrive? when I > right-click I can't seem to get any useful > alternatives and my Wavelab doesn't seem to hear the > realplayer-audio. > > Thanks in advance! > > /Hansi > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] 313 stand on....
Phonopsia wrote: I love old Landstrumm from the Peacefrog days. Played some tonight. Since then a lot of it has been "close but no cigar" for me. His contribution to one of the New Electronica comps was quite nice and a good change of pace though. The Blue Arsed Fly stuff was nice too. I don't think Russ Gabrielle's "In The Bag" remix has ever strayed too far from my crate (not that that really counts). ~~~ Tristan your missing out on some of Landstrumm's best moments; Praline Horse, Bedrooms & Cities, Misunderstanding Disinformation (all on Tresor) all contain some great Landstrumm gems, not to mention his Sativae output, which may sound a little dated now but still pumps a crowd well. Lately I've been really digging some downtempo tunes he's produced with Si Begg on Mosquito (the label Russ initially heard Blue Arse Fly on to sign them to Ferox). Vogel on the other hand, was hit an miss for me, I love 'Lock onto Signal' off of Tresor 5, but dislike most of his other Tresor output, with a few exceptions, mainly 'Don't Take More' off of "All Music Has come to an End" and 'Tearing the Groove" shows a side of Vogel I would love to hear a whole LP by. Which his newest work Rescate 137, comes closer to doing, and if I could ever find it on vinyl I would snatch it up. For the most part though I just don't understand his concepts, but then again I'm sure I'm not the only one. He's quoted as saying "I make music for f***ed up people". Go figure. Si Begg has had a big hand in what Landstrumm and Vogel have put together, and has been around since the Mosquito days (him and Vogel did 2 records on Trope called Inevitech TR007 and TR011, I'm still looking for these and will pay good money or trade). He is weirder than anyone else in the No Future camp, and has no fear of breaking the boundaries on what is and isn't music. His concepts are clearer on his Cabbagehead material (check out 'Commercial Suicide' for the most laughable product oriented track ever), but he too can be quite deluded. He sticks mostly to abstract breakbeats now (producing for Skint and under his Buckfunk3000 guise). Remember 'All the Way In' by Bigfoot (feat. on Laurent Garnier's Laboratoire mix), that was Si. I love that tune. His most recent output was "The Noodles Foundation presents: The Death of Cool part 2" it is basically Si doing what he does best: f***ing sh*t up! Berkovi, is a gearhead and writes for Future Music. I've tried to collect most of his output but I'm beginning to wane on it. Especially after his 'Charm Hostel' LP came out on Force Inc. a couple of years back. Great producer limited by his need to be weird. Tobias Schmidt's latest LP 'Dark of Heartness' is his best work ever IMHO, there's no need to look back on what he has done before, same goes for Tarrida and his latest opus 'Paranoid'. I hate Subhead and SuperCollider really didn't hit me either. Sorry to blather on about this, these guys really interest me though. They have been pioneering the weirder end of techno for so long and making it stand out so that when labels like Perlon come along and put out some wack ass sh*t we all think it sounds great! Their impact on techno is far reaching, and we will be reaping the rewards of their past output's influence upon future generations for some time to come. R.I.P No Future Camp Cheers todd
Re: [313] money moby ford money moby ford money moby ford money moby ford money moby ford
I swear this is Tosh in disguise. Only his twisted and highly intelligent sense of humour could be so playful and serious. Speak up if this isn't you Berlin boy. Cheers todd - Original Message - From: "puublic effairs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 12:32 PM Subject: [313] money moby ford money moby ford money moby ford money moby ford money moby ford > who come to uemf lots free pencils. i hear cries and form 313 people for no > capitalism. national ringworm association willing to sponosor. we meet on > tuesdays and detroy any economic system characterized by private or > corporate right of goods. we club people who figure out own private > investments and detroy free market competition. all like communism your cow > is my cow. using giant brain and psychology degree we can talk enough > amongst selves to put end democracy and legionares disease. meet tuesdays at > ymca coke machine. how many doors open today. who care. keep stating obvious > unlimited bandwidth. > > i post to 313 or moby list which one which big fried fish stakes reply. > > u_berbalisubermanian smith > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] detroit-toronto bus
Actually I was wrong it Mutek IS the weekend after DEMF, but to confirm for Tristan, it most certainly is not in Toronto. Go to www.mutek.ca for yourself and see the lineup, peruse a well made site. As for Toronto nightlife John, it's bright as ever. Overflowing actually with everything you could ask for. A good place to start looking is the Tribe message board at www.tribe.ca Tribe is T.O's local party magazine, and while the message board can look a little out of hand you will definetly find what you want there. I can tell you right now that on June 1st Herbert will be in town along with Ric y Martin (Ricardo Villalobos and Dandy Jack) live, as well as local house/techno killer Adam Marshall with a live Cuban Band (sorry I forget their name) and my personal favourite Zuzanna Grimm. Hope that helps and I'm sure with a little research you will find a lot more! Cheers todd - Original Message - From: "Phonopsia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "M. Todd Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "313" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [313] detroit-toronto bus > - Original Message - > From: "M. Todd Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "313" <313@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 3:44 AM > Subject: Re: [313] detroit-toronto bus > > > > The same weekend as DEMF is Mutek in Montreal, a great showcase of the > > minimalistic talent from T.O Montreal and all over. Last year it was the > > weekend after DEMF but I believe it was moved this year. > > I could've sworn the post I saw said it was in Toronto, the weekend after > DEMF. Can anyone (dis)confirm? > > Tristan > -- > http://ampcast.com/phonopsia <- Music > http://phonopsia.tripod.com <- Mixes, pics, thought, travelogue & info > http://www.metatrackstudios.com > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <- email > <- AOL Instant Messenger > > > _ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] detroit-toronto bus
WEMF is in July, there is no Memorial Day weekend in Canada, that's a US only holiday. The weekend before that is a Canadian holiday. Last year WEMF sucked because of the crappy location and weather. It is a trance festival with a small amount of techno thrown in. The I-dance rally is probably what someone who posted ran into last year. It was a rally to show the Toronto Mayor who at the time was trying to get electronic music parties banned forever, that this music is more than it's worst parts. It was a great party. The same weekend as DEMF is Mutek in Montreal, a great showcase of the minimalistic talent from T.O Montreal and all over. Last year it was the weekend after DEMF but I believe it was moved this year. Cheers todd - Original Message - From: "Samuel Hobbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 8:47 PM Subject: [313] detroit-toronto bus > >Last year I've heard something about a festival in > Toronto the weekend > after the DEMF. Is there going to be something similar > this year?< > > > You might be talking about WEMF (world electronic...) > it was held at an abandoned air force base last year > in ontario. i had some friends who went and they said > it sucked. i know that it featured oakenfold and > other european trance acts but also had a few 313 dj's > like dj bone and i think twonz but i think that was > it. as i understand it wasn't worth the money or your > time if 313 type shit is what you are truly interested > in. > -sam > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] Jori Hulkkonen
I'm still down with the selkasarii (sp?) tracks part 1 and 2, on Fcomm. These were some of my seminal deep record purchases from way back in the day. Jori has done a whole lot more since then but these tracks still drip with soul. Cheers todd - Original Message - From: "Benjamin Cuthbert (Merch)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'313'" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 5:53 AM Subject: [313] Jori Hulkkonen > I just got a copy of his new album "When no one is watching We are > invisible" and really dig it. Other than his mix on Turbo, can anybody > recommend anything else or point me in the direction of a website? > > Thanks. > > Ben Cuthbert > Borders Group Inc. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.djbenwu.com > 734-477-1191 phone > 734-477-1345 fax > > Wu's current CD pics: > > 1. Donald Glaude - Mixed Live (Moonshine) > 2. Pish Posh - Indoor Storm (Rawkuts) > 3. Gene Farris - Booked 002 (SHR) > >
Re: Re:[313] RE: X-Mix on vinyl
I.O is Patrick Pulsinger and someone else with a really strange name. There have been a lot of great I.O tunes including Station to Station and my personal fave 'Claire' All really far out of print on Cheap out of Austria Cheers todd - Original Message - From: "George Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "james boylan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 4:03 AM Subject: Re: Re:[313] RE: X-Mix on vinyl > >X-Mix 5 (Hell, best in the series for me, very rare tracks on that one) > > There was a track on there by I.O. "Station to Station" I think it was > called. I have never heard another I.O. tune... anyone know of any? > > > Cheers, > George > http://www.dropshift.com/ > > > - Original Message - > From: "james boylan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 9:51 AM > Subject: Re:[313] RE: X-Mix on vinyl > > > > > > Kevin Saunderson's X-Mix is knocking around on vinyl too. > > > > >From: "stuffed bird" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >CC: 313@hyperreal.org > > >Subject: Re:[313] RE: X-Mix on vinyl > > >Date: 27 Apr 2001 09:34:31 - > > > > > >There was no X-Mix 1 in the format we all know (video + cd + vinyl). And > > >indeed, all the X-Mixes (at least the early ones were released on triple > > >vinyl). I know because I have X-Mix 2 by Laurent Garnier, X-Mix 3 > > >(Hawtin/Aquaviva), X-Mix 4 (Dave Angel) and X-Mix 5 (Hell, best in the > > >series for me, very rare tracks on that one). And I've seen the Ken > Ishii, > > >Hardfloor, Mr C, Dave Clarke X-Mix'es on vinyl as well. > > > > > >Happy hunting! > > > > > >RD > > > > > > > > >On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 20:50:12 +1000 "[Cosmic_Lolie Productions] d-JCB" > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >Actually I have a copy of X-Mix 3 on vinyl and I'm sure the first 2 > were > > > >also available but I have never seen them. > > > > > > > >Thought you'd like to know > > > > > > > > > > > >d-JCB > > > > > > > >>Not all the X-Mix series was released on vinyl, and they definately > > > >>aren't available from !K7 anymore. > > > >>Hmmm lemme check the network and see what actually was released on > > > >>vinyl... > > > >>Looks like probably everything from X-Mix 4 (Dave Angel) on. > > > >>Good luck finding it. > > > >> > > > >>Tosh > > > > > > > > >_ > > > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > > > > > > >- > > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Signup for FREE email and member home pages at http://www.turkey.com > > > > > >- > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > _ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] The Metropolis Saga
Actually, the cd was released on Tresor, but Jeff only let them press some of the tracks on vinyl (I believe three tracks were given to the Tresor vinyl release). Six more tracks were released on Axis under the same name. AFAIK there was never a 2x12" on Axis. The cd still has more tracks than both vinyl versions together. Cheers todd - Original Message - From: "Sakari Karipuro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Wraith313" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 6:17 AM Subject: Re: [313] The Metropolis Saga > On 26 Apr 2001, Wraith313 wrote: > > > Why is there a Metropolis released on Axis and Tresor? > > the cd was released first on Tresor, and 2x12" on Axis, and cd has more > tracks than the vinyl version. > > > sakke > -- > A dream will always triumph over reality, once it is given the chance. > -- Stanislaw Lem > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] Mark Broom / Baby Ford / Dave Hill / etc ...
Baby Ford has done a bunch of great stuff. I find the earlier Ifach stuff that he released to be better than that of late, however he's also done some great stuff on Klang and a superb e.p for Elektro Music Dept. Broom and Hill have hundreds of releases under guises like Rue East and Sympletic and all of the different guises Broom used for Ifach (eggs is eggs, brubaker). Essential Broom is most assuredly the 'Angie is a Shoplifter' LP on Pure Plastic. To me this is the height of Broom's genius, great programming, groovability and moving song structure. Also try and track down the Mark Broom record on Mosaic, it's pretty sweet. All the Rue East stuff seems to blend together in my mind. There are a number of good ep's out by them on Pure Plastic, the last of which has some great twists to it. They share the same sound as Sims and every other tribal tech artist now though, time to move on, or do something different, it's 2001. Cheers todd - Original Message - From: "Bobic Mislav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 2:02 AM Subject: [313] Mark Broom / Baby Ford / Dave Hill / etc ... > Hello everybody ! > > Any comments / recommendations on music done by artists from this camp ? > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] BC 09/suggestions
Just checked with www.circonium.de I was going by Sonic Grooves database (I was in a hurry and I usually have it open at work in the record store). Ploy was M1 and Lyot M2, apparently however they were released in '92. The first CR record by Scion (emerge) was released in '95. As always never trust Sonic Groove for anything. :) Cheers todd - Original Message - From: "Jenny Cigarettes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "313" <313@hyperreal.org>; "M. Todd Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [313] BC 09/suggestions > Point taken. As I mentioned in the original message I was unclear about the > connection between Chain Reaction and the various Ernestus / Von Oswald > projects due to the large amount of apparently incorrect information > available. My thanks to everyone that has corrected me. > > But if we're going to be really nitpicky about this, isn't Domina M3 (having > been preceded by Ploy and Lyot and followed by M4)? Also, wasn't it a 1993 > release? > > > > > > > M1 a.k.a Domina was released in 1994, CR01 was released in 95. Kinda hard > > for the birth of the parent to happen after the child. > > > > Cheers > > todd > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] BC 09/suggestions
M1 a.k.a Domina was released in 1994, CR01 was released in 95. Kinda hard for the birth of the parent to happen after the child. Cheers todd - Original Message - From: "Jenny Cigarettes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "berislav oremus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [313] BC 09/suggestions > > i would not bet that "M" is on chain reaction, its not > > It's kind of difficult to tell from the vinyl (not very much info is given), > but I have seen the M-series variously described as being on 'M' records, > 'Maurizio' records and as being no label releases. The Maurizio CD that > contains most of the M-series is often listed as being part of the Chain > Reaction label discography. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] The one hit wonders of techno/ where r they now?
F. Flowers is Fanon Flowers, a techno producer out of Kalamazoo (sp?). He's produced a lot of records for labels like Black Nation, Spielzug, Sonic Mind, Mechanism Industries, Deepfried, Seismic and Konsequent. I would really like to know what artisits like Kikoman, and Bass Frog are up to? Anybody? Cheers todd - Original Message - From: "M Elliot-Knight" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [313] The one hit wonders of techno/ where r they now? > There is a Hani that produces for Nervous Records... could it be the same? > > MEK > > > >From: Stevyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: Sam Karmel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 313@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [313] The one hit wonders of techno/ where r they now? > >Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 11:41:00 -0400 > > > >Hani used to live in Denver where he had an underground shop selling > >records, bags, etc. He used to DJ at raves in colorado in the early 90's > >and then he relocated to NYC where he got into production. Not sure what > >he is upto now. > > > > > > > >Sam Karmel wrote: > > > > > hi 313'rs > > > > > > You always hear names mentioned like May, Atkins, > > > Suanderson, Craig, etc in detroit techno. There have > > > been so many other producers that have contributed to > > > detroit tech with releases on compilations and one or > > > two 12" etc. It just interests me that u dont hear > > > much about these people. I guess the various names > > > used by single artists doesn't help either. > > > > > > Anyway, my question is "where r they now???!!!" > > > > > > I'll start with a Planet E compilation called > > > "Elements of and experiments with sound" released in > > > 1994. > > > > > > Mode Selector-F.Flowers > > > > > > Moodring-K.Tertzag > > > > > > Flexitone-G.Donald, B.Gillen > > > > > > The Connection Machine-N.Hagemeier, J-Brandjes > > > > > > Enhanced-T.Sines (KNOWN) > > > > > > Hani-Hani > > > > > > Quadrant-Quadrant > > > > > > Paperclip People-C.Craig(KNOWN),M.Gottsching > > > > > > If u have any producers to add or any info on the > > > above we will somehow solve this mystery. > > > > > > thanx > > > > > > Sam > > > > > > __ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] Before you dis Moby....
So do you call Ben Sims, SLS, Paul Mac, Mark Broom, The Cause and every other producer who is currently producing tribal techno using the same sound and sample base techno? What would you call over 20 records by said producers being unequivocably recognizable as a single track remixed 20 times. This is 'pop'; simulation without thought or feeling; reduce reuse recycle; garbage. Sure they are great tools but as an artist they are just other peoples ideas barely reinterpreted. Much like me reproducing the work of my roomate and selling it. This is the techno equivalent of copying the alternative 'Seattle' sound. Techno comprimises just like everything else. Get it straight it's a business. Jeez let's remember Rich's DEFX909 was in HMV's top 20 for over 6 weeks, along with Brittney, Nsync and MOBY!! Note: I am not a spokesperson for Moby and like I said earlier for the most part none of us have ever met Moby personally, and have only his media presence to judge him by. Judging him by what one person on 313 says is like eating white bread because Uncle Sam told ya it was good for you (but he didn't tell you it was enriched using cow's blood as a fortify agent did he?). Keep truckin' todd keep tryin - Original Message - From: M Elliot-Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [313] Before you dis Moby > Moby should pull his head out of his ass... hip-hop was great in the early > 90's! There was more than just gangsta rap around. That's the problem with > his all-or-nothing sways. He did the same thing with techno and dance music > in the mid-90s when he thought all of it was going the way of Aphex Twin. He > started listening to the "Seattle Sound" and so he attempted to make a > punk/grundge record. It failed and his agent told him to get back to making > music that his fans liked so he did. He will deny this though. I've seen > quotes a-pleanty from him saying that he was leaving techno because he > thought it was stagnent. He can try to deny it and say that his words are > being twisted around but after seeing a letter _from him to URB magazine_ > saying why he was leaving dance music his denial of it just doesn't stand up > anymore. Moby changes to please. That's why I don't consider Moby techno. > Techno does not compromise. Pop aims to please. > > MEK > > > >From: christos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: 313@hyperreal.org > >Subject: [313] Before you dis Moby > >Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:23:50 -0500 (EST) > > > > > >I can honestly say that I do not know much about Moby's music, but his > >last interview in a recent URB definately caught my eye. Check out these > >quotes. The first one was a responce on what he thought of Hip Hop now > >and then: > > > >"...And at that time there was so much great house music and techno being > >made, so in the early 90's I didn't pay attention to it at all...why when > >I can go listen to Derrick May, why would I want to listen to N.W.A.?" > > > >Believe it or not, even though he is mainstream, he was still influenced > >by the Detroit pioneers. > > > >To be honest, I dont think it will be a horrible thingif he gets booked. > >He will attract a lot of people, maybe even more out of towners, and i > >doubt that they will show up for his set and leave, refusing to expose > >themselves to that "313 stuff." I mean last year on the main stage on the > >last night, the line up was Kevin Saunderson, Rolando, Derrick May, and > >Richie Hawtin. How can you ever expect to come close to that every year > >without rehashing the same lineup? > > > >--- - > >Christos Michalakis 734.730.4297 [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >"if heaven ain't a lot like detroit, I don't want to go. if heaven ain't a > >lot like detroit, I'd just assume stay home. If they ain't got no 8-mile > >like they do up in the D, just send me to hell or salt lake city, it'd be > >about the same to me" > > -Uncle Kracker > >--- - > > > > > >- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] Before you dis Moby....
Ok,
You've all had a great laugh at Moby, and man I bet he's just crying. None
of you know the man, most of you have never seen his face other than on T.V.
So what do you know about him? What he feeds to the media? Let's print off
everything aybody ever says on this list and hold them to it for the rest of
their lives. Get off your horse! People change. I've gone through so many
musical shifts in my lifetime it's uncanny, and I'm sure the whole lot of
you grew up with techno too right? Please.
Take away the definition of the artist, take away the words and the
interviews, the commercials and the movies. They are all just money making
schemes of the music industry. Now listen to the music. Just the music.
Is it all that bad? Can you not feel some emotion emanating from it?
RE: White boy stole gospel samples and makes mockery of oppression. This is
a load of crap, with all the makings of bad religous overtones and racism
galore. It's funny, in the cd copy of 'Play' I have beside me now all the
samples are acknowledged in the liner notes and moreover the songs capture a
playful nature with subtle longing underneath. Make of this what you will
but it seems to connect in a lot of ways.
I first heard 'Porcelain' in a commercial for Bailey's Irish Cream. I first
heard several other tracks on the album while watching 'The Beach". I liked
these songs, and I didn't know who the artist was. Moreover I still don't
care that it was Moby, it's good music.
I don't usually feel this compelled to stick up for anybody, but jeez, you
would love to think that Moby is a narrow minded prick. Maybe it's all of
you who can't get past the media surrounding him, or the fact that he's
using his music to make himself some cash (God forbid and artist use his/her
work to make money). A good foil for this would be Mr. Hawtin, who despite
not saying much to the media has fed you all the biggest lie: DEFX909. It's
a great recording, but contains nothing that you all hold so dear about it
ie. it's mixed by a computer (pro tools), and there is no FX and no 909.
It's all a lie and you've let yourselves be taken. Rich too is trying to
grab some cash while he can, he knows techno won't be fresh forever and that
being a professional DJ isn't a lifelong career. He has simply taken a
different route to the same goal; cash grab.
Techno has pigeon holed itself as I predicted it would back in 93. Back
then so much more was acceptable, it wasn't as defined and made producing
techno for Moby much more interesting. Since techno has been overdefined by
the headz and the critics, Moby no longer fits the mold. He wants to go
play in other fields as well. Rich is going to suck techno dry. He had to
play last at DEMF last year though Derrick deserved it more than anyone
else. He couldn't be recorded because he knows he's a limited commodity.
Open your eyes people its the music industry and you know what they say
"When in Rome, do as the Romans".
Think before typing, your shoes are not your own
todd
- Original Message -
From: "tim maughan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "christos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: [313] Before you dis Moby
> "...And at that time there was so much great house music and techno being
> > made, so in the early 90's I didn't pay attention to it at all...why
when
> > I can go listen to Derrick May, why would I want to listen to N.W.A.?"
>
> sorry - but all that shows me about maybe is that he's narrow minded. im
> down with dre, cube et al just as much as i am with derrick.
>
> moby made a handful of interesting records back in the day ("go" being the
> mosty notable) - but now all he does is make boring sub indie/trip hop
> nastiness for 30 something advertising executives and those that think
they
> know about dance music cos they saw fatboy slim on mtv.
>
> (gets of soapbox)
>
> cheers;)
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "christos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <313@hyperreal.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 5:23 PM
> Subject: [313] Before you dis Moby
>
>
> >
> > I can honestly say that I do not know much about Moby's music, but his
> > last interview in a recent URB definately caught my eye. Check out
these
> > quotes. The first one was a responce on what he thought of Hip Hop now
> > and then:
> >
> > "...And at that time there was so much great house music and techno
being
> > made, so in the early 90's I didn't pay attention to it at all...why
when
> > I can go listen to Derrick May, why would I want to listen to N.W.A.?"
> >
> > Believe it or not, even though he is mainstream, he was still influenced
> > by the Detroit pioneers.
> >
> > To be honest, I dont think it will be a horrible thingif he gets booked.
> > He will attract a lot of people, maybe even more out of towners, and i
> > doubt that they will show up for his set and leave, refusing to expose
> > themselves to that "313 stuff." I mean last year
peel em if you got 'em
Labels...take them off keep them on, who the f**k cares. Do you honestly think one DJ taking labels off a record is going to impede someone from finding out what it is? Tonnes of people flock to record stores everyday in search of that track that so and so played the other night, they usually don't know what label it's on or who it's by (remember an 8 point font on a record spinning at 33 and one third r.p.m's equals much dizziness when trying to read in a low light situation). They simply listen, and that's what techno has always been about; the music. Discovering that wicked track you heard at the club last week is half the fun of buying records. If I went out and knew exactly what I was looking for all the time I wouldn't have half as much fun, and I would feel anal for having to always have every tidbit of information at my fingertips. Discovery is half the process, and most of the fun. There's more to be said about finding that special record, then knowing what it is a grabbing it off the shelf [THE BUSINESS POINT OF VIEW] Realize this. As the number of producers grows, fewer of them will sell a great number of records. As the number of DJ's grow, the number of records sold will increase. If your record is good, it will sell. Also the number of records made are usually limited, so chances are the record will come close to, or will sell out if it's any good. I don't remember the producers paying the DJ to play his records, in fact last gig I played it was the promoter of the party who paid me, not all the fine people at Tresor, Kanzleramt etc. I search out great records to play in my set. If everyone played them yet didn't have to spend all the time I did discovering them (countless hours I can't imagine how much time I spend in record stores). Then that would make me less of a commodity, and take my work away from me. Note: I don't take the labels off all my records, but nor do I go out f my way to let people know what they are. I do plug local artists and let people know about them all the time. In addition I'm a firm believer in the don't bother the dj while he/she is playing. Imagine if you were playing in a band and some guy just walked up and started asking you questions while you were playing. It's just rude. best secretive dj: Traxx (I love this man)
Re: [313] I need to vent for a moment...
That's funny.. I run a P3 733MHz with 128Mb of ram and have never ever had a recording failure, but the average problems are clipping and defragmentation. I use a 20GB partitioned drive and send all audio to the non-OS partition. You should always up your system virtual memory and never point it to your OS partition. This is accomplished through the System Icon under the Control Panel. I would also recommend getting all the Windows updates for Win98, and regularly look for more. Uncle Microsoft is still pulling it apart and fixing problems inherent in the DOS layer. Cheers todd - Original Message - From: "darw_n" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [313] I need to vent for a moment... > wait a second... > > > Where are you sending your waves as they record?? You *need* to send them > in an no OS HD, and it *should* be 7200 rpm's. But the real key is that > there can NOT be any programs or op system on the disk you are recording to, > not even a partitioned drive. If you do, you run a huge risk of failure, > unless you have a P4 or over clocked water cooled AMD 1.5 GHz and a gig of > ram and a 10,000 rpm drive... > > even then, chances are there for record failure... > > darw_n > > "create, demonstrate, toneshift..." > > http://www.thedemonstration.com > http://www.sphereproductions.com > http://www.mannequinodd.com > search "djdarwin" on napster > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <313@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 12:12 PM > Subject: Re: [313] I need to vent for a moment... > > > > You know, I switched from Sound Forge 4.5 to Wavelab so I could use some > of > > my sweet VST plugins. I never had a problem like this with SF. Then again, > > I had more free space back then too (I just recently installed Unreal > > Tournament (full install), Quake3, and Half Life). If I had been thinking, > > I would have had Windows use my work HD for vmemory (7GB free) instead of > > my main drive (1.1 GB free). > > > > > > > > > > > > Sakari Karipuro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 03/07/2001 12:05:50 PM > > > > To: George Jones/US/ABNAMRO/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > cc: 313@hyperreal.org > > Subject: Re: [313] I need to vent for a moment... > > > > > > On Wed, 7 Mar 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > Windows told me I ran out of virtual memory. It couldn't save it at all. > > > > > > I tried everything I could, moved whole application directories to my > > > second drive to free up space. I still couldn't save. > > > > > > > tip for future recording sessions..: use sound forge or similar software > > that doesn't use windows swap for recording, instead, it will record into > > it's own swap file which you can point where ever you want. but remember, > > there's 2gb filesize limit... > > > > cheers, > > sakke > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] kim rapatti
Detroit Diesel on i220 (2 records Meteor and Metal) Kim Rapatti Mood EP: Plug Research anyone have any old trope records they wish to sell off, I'll pay well, or trade. Cheers todd - Original Message - From: "steve teeri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 12:22 PM Subject: [313] kim rapatti > can anyone recommend good kim rapatti records > > they've heard (specifically ones not on his > > own DUM label). > > thanks! > > steve > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] jeff mills track id's
Derrick Carter: Boompty Boom Theme: Nu Pschidt E.P. CMC 78 (Classic) Cheers todd - Original Message - From: "Kyle J Dupuy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [313] jeff mills track id's > > actually, it is not robotman's 'do da do,' as i have this one and i can > confirm it is not what im looking for. whereas the vocals in the robotman > track have a monotone delivery, the track that i am lookin for is much > more melodic, and as i said, it sweeps back and forth between two octaves. > also, i _think_ the track had an electro beat. > > basically, unless someone on this list was there, can remember his set, > and is familiar with the track in question, i don't think i'll have any > luck with a positive id, as my description appears to be somewhat lacking. > thanks for the effort though. > > kyle > > > > > > > i would like two tracks that mills played last nite. they were on either > > side of his 909 workout that he did at 1am. i especially like the one he > > dropped after the 909 session. male vocal (kinda deep, like an alto > > range) continuously shifting back and forth between two octaves, while > > saying,"do-do, do-do-do." really wicked track. it stands way out as > > there isn't much like it out there. i've heard richie also play it a few > > times. any help? > > > > kyle > > > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] Phryl?
As a long time member/resident dj with phryl I can tell you: Mayor Mel Lastman of Toronto put a standing ban on raves due to a death at a hullabuloo party a couple years back. This shoved everything to do with electronic music into the club scene. Phryl picked up the wrong club at the wrong time, and then Phil wanted a vacation from the scene. Viktor may still have some plans for phryl, but the website now is certainly well todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > What ever happened to Prhyl anyways? > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] curious on opinions
Thank you everybody who wrote in reply to my asking for new and innovative house music out there, but I must in fact ask another more abrupt question to get seemingly where I want to go. First off some details: Like Ani I work in a record store and I'm responsible for ordering techno, house, minimal and lounge. I'm looking for innovative fresh sounds. I currently own almost all of the Klang/Playhouse/Perlon backcatalogue and I've listened to every Glasgow/Paper/GU release. Like everyone else I'm a huge Herbert fanatic, and really dig most stuff that sounds like him. My current problem with house is the lack of innovation right now (with a few exceptions). Not just in use of sounds but presentation of sounds. The advent of organic sounding house (ie. sampled drums and noises) has left no clearly definable frequency space in the music. While this creates a nice flow to the music as all the frequency ranges seem to just gel together, it leaves no room for any individual sound to breath, and thusly mixing these types of tracks together sounds muddy but warm, or as I like to call it 'a comfortable distraction'. In opposition is the dry/minimal approach, giving each sound far too much room to breath. There may be a groove but it seems that upon closer inspection the sounds just bleed themselves dry with little to no interaction. This is usually deemed 'boring'. The current dilemma I'm facing is that labels like GU/I records/Paper etc. are either getting just far too wanky (ie. instrumental solo after solo on and on), or like Perlon/Klang etc just to absorbed by things like quick edits and breakdowns to remember that a groove needs to be created (I call this 'wankin the rhythm'). Mix these to things together and you get abstract electronic music equivalent to fusion jazz, not bad to listen to once an a while but definetely not something to dance to. So to rephrase my question I'm looking for some good house/minimal akin to the last Hakan Libdo release on Paper. I want to hear about those most solid records with great sounds and smooth edits (not the typical reverse crash cymbal to piano/guitar/vocal/ambient that TOO many house producers are knocking hard on right now). I'd love to hear about all the great local labels that people know about on this list that don't get major distribution (like Delsin for example; great label especially that last Lee Norken release, can't say much for the Peel Seamus stuff though not my cup.) The last couple of Planet E's have really kicked it all up a notch (the new Ibex and the Herbert rmx of Recloose). I really hope to hear some great responses here Cheers todd
Re: [313] curious on opinions
"Otto Koppius" wrote: Probably only by people with an aversion to vocals... Personally, I can't get enough of it, especially the Blue Six releases are future classics IMO (including the 'Sweeter Love' EP on Wave as well), Classics of the future past for sure ___ but you can't go much wrong with the others either. If there's one criticism you could have, is that most releases are variations on the same theme, but when the theme is this good, who cares? And besides, such a criticism never stopped people from drooling over Basic Channel records :) That's because all basic channel records sound different I would say the Advent's overt thematicism is more akin to the Migs/Naked style. Anyone know of any good new house that's coming out? Something other than Moodyman/Theo Parrish. It's all starting to sound the same. todd > Otto > PS Miguel Migs is spinning in Club de Ville, Amsterdam, NL this > Saturday. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] Mr. Delay
Might as well be. IMHO his worst work to date, sounds like him noodling about with his gear, I ordered it on vinyl much to my chagrin. I was expecting a little more Uusitalo and a little less wanking. todd - Original Message - From: "Nathan John de Yonker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 8:41 AM Subject: [313] Mr. Delay > I got the Vladislav Delay CD on Mille Plateaux "anima" > > Anyone have any info on this album? It's one track and 70+ minutes long. > Is it a live set? > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] Electro, NYC
I'm on the Spelunk email list, the last message I received this week, announcing various dates that Chromatix, She-devil and others were playing around NYC as well as the fact that Spelunk is now defunct. The website is still up and has some great content though and as I said watch for a lot more from these people. todd - Original Message - From: "Elliot Taub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Todd Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "313@Hyperreal.Org" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [313] Electro, NYC > I don't think Spelunk is defunct. I see those guys all the time. > A few of the guys that used to collaborate aren't collaborating anymore, but > the label still exists. > e > > Todd Smith wrote: > > > The label Spelunk is now defunct, I'm sure Him & Her will both be up to a > > lot more though > > > > todd > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Elliot Taub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <313@hyperreal.org> > > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 10:53 PM > > Subject: Re: [313] Electro, NYC > > > > > I have to pipe up for the NYC team: > > > > > > Spelunk Records > > > Serotonin Records > > > > > > http://www.spelunk.com > > > I think the serotonin site is offline, but it was www.serotoninusa.com > > > > > > And by the way, The Egyptian Lover is a separate artist from Southern > > > California that did a lot of classic tracks: "Egypt, Egypt" "And My Beat > > Goes > > > Boom" "Girls". Unless Afrika Bambaataa wrote a track called Egyptian Lover > > that > > > I don't know about. > > > > > > Also, Arthur Baker = Planet Patrol > > > e > > > > > > > > > Adrien Roussel wrote: > > > > > > > hi > > > > try these labels: > > > > French electro label: www.invasionplanete.com > > > > > > > > duth: bunker viewlexx & clone > > > > http://www.bunker-records.com/bk/index.htm > > > > > > > > from sweden: > > > > www.stillebenrecords.com > > > > others > > > > http://www.spelunk.com/cave2/index.htm > > > > http://www.directbeat.com/ > > > > http://www.ersatzaudio.com/ > > > > http://www.intuit-solar.com/ > > > > http://www.airlock.org/ > > > > and > > > > breakin records, craft, gti records, penalty, > > > > psi49net, scsi(silicon scally), subvert, electrocord etc... > > > > > > > > you can listen to most of them on nuloop.com > > > > regards > > > > > > > > adrien > > > > > > > > -Message d'origine- > > > > De : Timothy Cary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Envoyé : vendredi 9 février 2001 17:10 > > > > à : 313@hyperreal.org > > > > Objet : [313] Electro > > > > > > > > Hi. I've lately been getting more and more into electro, but I have > > little > > > > to no knowledge of electro, much of the history behind it, artists, > > labels, > > > > etc., beyond like old Juan Atkins, Aux 88, Drexciya...stuff like that. > > I > > > > was wondering if anybody had anything they wanted to share with me about > > > > electro. I've really been feeling The Advent's latest stuff, such as > > their > > > > Westsiders EP on Electrix. I really like the electro with the deep > > dirty > > > > synths over the computerish stuff with bleeps (although some of that is > > cool > > > > too, like the song with the "that is incorrect" sample from Speak & > > Spell). > > > > Sorry if I sound like a complete idiot on this subject, but well...I am, > > > > that's why I'm writing. :) Thanks for any help! > > > > > > > > -Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > This e-mail message from the law firm of McCarter & English, LLP is for > > > > the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential > > > > and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > > > > distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, > > please > > > > contact the sender by reply e-mail (or at [EMAIL PROTECTED]) and > > > > des
Re: [313] Electro, NYC
The label Spelunk is now defunct, I'm sure Him & Her will both be up to a lot more though todd - Original Message - From: "Elliot Taub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [313] Electro, NYC > I have to pipe up for the NYC team: > > Spelunk Records > Serotonin Records > > http://www.spelunk.com > I think the serotonin site is offline, but it was www.serotoninusa.com > > And by the way, The Egyptian Lover is a separate artist from Southern > California that did a lot of classic tracks: "Egypt, Egypt" "And My Beat Goes > Boom" "Girls". Unless Afrika Bambaataa wrote a track called Egyptian Lover that > I don't know about. > > Also, Arthur Baker = Planet Patrol > e > > > Adrien Roussel wrote: > > > hi > > try these labels: > > French electro label: www.invasionplanete.com > > > > duth: bunker viewlexx & clone > > http://www.bunker-records.com/bk/index.htm > > > > from sweden: > > www.stillebenrecords.com > > others > > http://www.spelunk.com/cave2/index.htm > > http://www.directbeat.com/ > > http://www.ersatzaudio.com/ > > http://www.intuit-solar.com/ > > http://www.airlock.org/ > > and > > breakin records, craft, gti records, penalty, > > psi49net, scsi(silicon scally), subvert, electrocord etc... > > > > you can listen to most of them on nuloop.com > > regards > > > > adrien > > > > -Message d'origine- > > De : Timothy Cary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Envoyé : vendredi 9 février 2001 17:10 > > à : 313@hyperreal.org > > Objet : [313] Electro > > > > Hi. I've lately been getting more and more into electro, but I have little > > to no knowledge of electro, much of the history behind it, artists, labels, > > etc., beyond like old Juan Atkins, Aux 88, Drexciya...stuff like that. I > > was wondering if anybody had anything they wanted to share with me about > > electro. I've really been feeling The Advent's latest stuff, such as their > > Westsiders EP on Electrix. I really like the electro with the deep dirty > > synths over the computerish stuff with bleeps (although some of that is cool > > too, like the song with the "that is incorrect" sample from Speak & Spell). > > Sorry if I sound like a complete idiot on this subject, but well...I am, > > that's why I'm writing. :) Thanks for any help! > > > > -Tim > > > > > > This e-mail message from the law firm of McCarter & English, LLP is for > > the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential > > and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > > distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please > > contact the sender by reply e-mail (or at [EMAIL PROTECTED]) and > > destroy all copies of the original message. > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > S C A T A L O G I C S > www.scatalogics.com > Graphic Design > Party Promotion > Disc Jockeys > > 718-204-8434 > 646-752-6262 > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] experimental hip hop?
Check out anything on Mush or Big Dada. Big Dada's last comp 'Black Whole Styles' is a great intro into the more unusual hiphop. Some of their other releases like Ty's latest album are more straight chilled grooves with more blathering about ego's thrown overtop (it's still a top piece in my mind considering every MC must get pay dues to themselves). While on Mush; Aesop Rock's last album 'Float' stole my mind as strangest hiphop album of the year. The other stuff on Mush ranges from straight poetics to spoken word drama's, with all sorts of strange noises in midst. As someone else already mentioned find anything by Saul Williams, he is the man and will be for a long time coming. todd - Original Message - From: "Jonny McIntosh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "*** ASKEW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [313] experimental hip hop? > > Exact definitions aside, check out the following hip hop > > artists/releases: > > I'd have to add the Anti Pop Consortium LP (name of which I can't remember) > but it IS as good as they say. Also, for a 313 angle, I'd mention Saul > Williams (especially his track on Rawkus' Lyricist Lounge vol. 1) - a true > Afrofuturist to rival Drexciya. > > Jonny. > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] JEFF MILLS-MARCH 1
I'm glad you've had fun. I'm glad I have respect for those who show respect in the first place. I'm glad I am ignorant enough to show others that they need more respect, despite it being all that hypocritical. I'm sorry you have to make sexual connotations about me and Alan. Perhaps this is to fulfil some lifelong fantasy you cannot share with others, due to your closet nature. I'm not sure, it's all speculative. I do know however this list has turned to sh*t since Alan stopped posting and the influx of advertisements and utter BS began. In truth I would much rather be up on someone's nuts in fervent RESPECT, than to be there simply to ogle and act like I know what I'm talking about. It's nice to see you've come out of the woodwork to share your words with us; even though Alan's were better than yours (oh, really I never knew it was a contest! Let me get my dictionary and post something mildly amusing.) OH BTW YOUR WEBSITE ROCKS I LOVE HORIZONTAL RULES!! todd - Original Message - From: "atomly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [313] JEFF MILLS-MARCH 1 > HI MY NAME IS TODD AND I AM UP ON T-1000'S NUTS. > > Anyway, please don't tell somebody to shut the hell up just because > they're not sitting over there deep throatin their favorite techno hero. > > And besides, Alan's post was much better than yours. > > -- > :: atomly :: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] JEFF MILLS-MARCH 1
Umm, while you may very well deserve your opinion, sometimes it's best kept to yourself. Alan used to post on this list quite frequently, and I am personally sad that he no longer does, since it was great to be able to talk to an original 313'er with tonnes of history behind him. The man knows what he's talking about and gives tonnes of respect where it is deserved. Something some of us lack a great deal of. Have some respect and even if you have none then shut the f*ck up! todd - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [313] JEFF MILLS-MARCH 1 > > Re: the ongoing debate about Jeff's mixing skills, he is one of the most > > innovative electronic music talents of the 20th Century. Until you all invent > > an entire sub-genre of techno music (lock-grooved, loop techno) and a host of > > imitators, you need to keep your criticisms to yourselves. > > err, no i don't. > > see, that's the whole thing about opinions. each person's is as valid as > the next, be they innovator, inventor, or first-time listener. > > Ever been to a movie you didn't like? Better yet, ever seen a movie > billed as "innovative" or "a classic" that you didn't like? I highly > doubt you've directed a feature-length motion picutre which has recieved > national distribution. Yet I bet you'd feel free (as a bird) to voice your > opinion if you thought a movie was crap. > > The whole idea of having to pay some sort of unattainable dues before > you're entitled to voice any sort of criticism is ridiculous. You may be > ALAN OLDHAM, but your position as a figure of some importance in the > detroit scene doesn't place your opinion above any of ours. if you'd like > to start a dialogue where we discuss Jeff Mills's current performances in > relation to his past works, I'll be more than glad to participate. But > hovering in the background and coming out to tell us all to shut up just > doesn't work. > > chris > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] TR: [313] New Robert Hood 12"
I believe the guy asked for an opinion not a freaking sale, this list isn't your personal sounding board for your website so stick it somewhere else. GO advertise elsewhere. todd - Original Message - From: "Adrien Roussel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 1:31 AM Subject: [313] TR: [313] New Robert Hood 12" > Yes right > great minimal techno! > Listen to the ones on logistic > log16 & log11(with john Thomas) > and on Mplant, Axis and Tresor > > one click to RobertHood's available discography at Nuloop > http://www.nuloop.com/ArtistE.asp?art=hood > Click on the part # to reach audio samples (streaming) & covers > > Robert Hood'll be focused as the artist of the month > in february on www.nuloop.com > Regards > > Adrien > > > > > -Message d'origine- > De : Arne Weinberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Envoyé : mercredi 31 janvier 2001 23:40 > À : 313@hyperreal.org > Objet : [313] New Robert Hood 12" > > > Hello everybody! > > I just bought the new Robert Hood 12" on Logistic (LOG 016) and i have to > say > that I´m impressed how this man plays alone in his own ligue He has his > own > characteristic style that nobody can top. On this EP he gets back to his > minimalistic roots a little bit. It reminds me a little bit on the Minimal > Nation era. Any opinions on that? > > > > Bye, Arne > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] Gemini CDJ Package For Sale
It is also very narrow minded to think that you should only play records between +- 4% of what they were recorded at, besides no one said they were playing at one tempo, they just said they wanted to play some things faster. Even the best of classics have been reworked into something new and different (ie. TP playing MJ's Billy Jean on 45 and juggling it). Why the hell do you think they made pitch control in the first place? Lose yourself in the experiment and stop trying to be so damn calculated. todd - Original Message - From: "Sakari Karipuro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Dennis Donohue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [313] Gemini CDJ Package For Sale > On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Dennis Donohue wrote: > > > I agree... > > There are alot of older tracks that I rarely play anymore because they are > > only 135BPM at +8, and I usually play faster than that. > > For instance: anything on +8 > > Spastik by plastikman > > Anything by woddy McBride (incl. Basketball heroes) > > Most Metroplex records > > why do you ruin good old classics by playing them too fast? that sounds > horrible! and why are you limiting yourself to only about 135 bpm? start > working from slower records then slowly work it up to more uptempo, it's > really easy. then learn to bring the tempo downwards. d'oh. buy yourself a > bit wider range of records and try again. thank you. I can't understand > this "i play only this tempo" thingy at all. it's so narrow minded. > > sakke > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] Gemini CDJ Package For Sale
Alot of electro guys actually keep their techs pitched up to 16% so they can get the really some really crazy electro beats happening. Electro has a pretty wide BPM range and IMHO being able to pitch techs up to 16% is great for this purpose. todd - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [313] Gemini CDJ Package For Sale > Why ridiculous? Maybe not your taste or mine. Someone out there likes it. > Ive even heard some guys notch it up more then 15% for that "fast" booty > house. makes me wanna puke? of course. someone1 else digs it though > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] Good Bye
Gnutella eats mad resources from your computer, be careful especially if you do any sort of graphics or audio work on your comp not to have Gnutella running in the background. I've lost a lot of work that way. todd - Original Message - From: "Jussi Lehtonen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 2:28 AM Subject: Re: [313] Good Bye > On Mon, 29 Jan 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Whats everyones view on this? > > I don't think it's the end of (music)file sharing. > Fortunately there's an alternative to Napster, Gnutella, which was > mentioned on this list a while ago. Besides, it's open source... :) > > Few quick links: > > http://gnutella.wego.com/ > http://www.gnutella.co.uk/ > http://www.gnutellanews.com/ > http://www.rixsoft.com/Knowbuddy/gnutellafaq.html > > > > > J > > -- > Jussi Lehtonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.netppl.fi/~sandman > > "Do not allow yourself to be programmed. >For once, in your life, take control. Take control." - UR > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] an observation
We have about 6 copies of minus yellow at my store in Guelph, anyone who cares for a copy can email me, I will send copies or trade copies for Axis 9a, Axis 9b or any Mplant singles. Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Kyle J Dupuy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Scotto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [313] an observation > > i saw it at recordtime, but its obviously long gone. good luck finding > it. if you do, let me know :) > > kyle > > > On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Scotto wrote: > > > were did you see it? and do they have online ordering. I did the samw thing > > you did a few months ago I have orange and thaught yello was the same. it > > turns out richie made that track for a party he threw in '97 for halloween > > and it rare, hard to find, they pressed 1000 copies! > > > > Scott Laakso --- > > --- i maj'in > > http://www.mp3.com/i_majin > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Kyle J Dupuy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <313@hyperreal.org> > > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 11:03 PM > > Subject: [313] an observation > > > > > > > > > > a few months back someone posted to the list requesting a description of > > > richie hawtin's minus yellow. i believe the only response that was posted > > > was like, "pretty boring - sounds just like minus orange," or something to > > > that effect. a couple weeks later i came across it in a record bin but > > > didn't pull it out, recalling what i had heard about it. recently i've > > > borrowed a copy from a friend and have grown quite fond of it, and i get a > > > kick out of the samples from ferris beuller. plus there are some pretty > > > nice locked grooves that are good dj tools: you can go from one side of > > > orange to a yellow locked groove, and then flip orange (its the same bpm) > > > to the other side and quickly mix it in. sounds pretty good IMO. so now > > > i'm quite wishing i had picked up that copy i saw in the record bin. just > > > goes to show ya. . . > > > > > > kyle > > > > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] new monolake and [more stuff]
I emailed Robert re: vinyl release, but have yet to hear back from him since he's out on tour right now. Doubtful that it will get released on vinyl however since none of Monolake's other albums have, however there are already singles for fragile/static and ice/stratoshpere out there on imbalance. I just picked up the album myself yesterday, and even though I have both the singles, the other material is superb. Hopefully I'll find Nightmare World pt. 2 sooner or later. todd - Original Message - From: "Batory, Jason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'circonium'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'313'" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 12:24 AM Subject: RE: [313] new monolake and [more stuff] > >the new monolake album "gravity" has just been released > >http://www.monolake.de/ > > Not surprisingly, this sounds excellent. Is this going to get a vinyl > release soon? > > Hopefully we won't have to wait as long as it took Nighttime World Vol.2, > which I just picked up the triple pack of. > eeexcellent. > > Others tickling my fancy: > > Moron - Neo-moronics on Tektite > Jan Jelenik on Scape (wow!) > the latest Safety Scissors on Force Tracks > the Planisphere:South ep on Innertone (excellent Australian deepness) > Boards of Canada - In a beautiful place... on Warp > Skein - Venice on Vertical Form > Miss Dinky - Atacama on Traum (a native Chileian woman now residing in NYC - > fantastic!!) > Quarks - Rehmixes on Monika > and just today listened to the new 21/22 Corp., which I think is called > Redshot by 1954. Possibly a Dan Lui production (I think I saw his name on it > somewhere). Sounds very good, on the first listen anyway. > > Respect > JasonB > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Fw: [313] Barcelona 313'ers?
- Original Message - From: "Todd Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "jose bello" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [313] Barcelona 313'ers? > I can vouch for Florida, one of the best clubs I ever went to, John > Acquaviva has a residency there for while, not sure if he still does. > > Whatever you do, please don't eat fast food while your in Spain, they have > the best seafood I've ever eaten, and really know how to cook! Mushrooms > are also a large favourite where I was (Logrono), and are so delicious. > > Try to find out when and where Oscar Mulero is playing when your there, you > won't be disappointed. I met him at Florida and besides being a great DJ > who played a tonne of killer tracks, he's a super nice guy. > > Have Fun > todd > - Original Message - > From: "jose bello" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "John Bush" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 4:39 PM > Subject: Re: [313] Barcelona 313'ers? > > > > Hello From Seville,South of Spain,Barcelona is the NYC > > of my country,best clubs,best people and the sea.. > > > > http://www.rowclub.com/ > > > > http://www.florida135.com/ 200 kms from Barcelona,the > > best club of Spain and favourite of Jeff Mills > > > > Jose Bello(Mario Atienza.Seville) > > > > > > --- John Bush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > Any > > 313-types in or around Barcelona? I'll be there > > > the first week of > > > March, and I'd love to get the low-down on what's > > > happening in Spain's > > > grooviest city. So if you live there/lived > > > there/been there and can help > > > out, it'd be much appreciated... Any > > > > > > .john. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Consiga gratis su dirección @yahoo.es en http://correo.yahoo.es > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >
