RE: (313) A possible reason for so much off-topic...basic b'stard
JT: re: orlando ken - no one's gonna reply cus you're out of your mind! cruising is huge...the chords may be a little bit trancey but the humming bassline is so nice imo, gives me shivers. and the squiggly sounds that come in. there is one basic bastard reissue vol i'm not too hot on, but all the others are amazing, deep, melodic , just plain great detroit techno. lookout, jason b may already be on his way to your place to have a talk...:P Something tells me I've got to listen to this one again ... ;-) k
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now i fully agree with this it seems like the majority of the discussions are about the latest ugly edit or moodyman track and why it is ok or not ok to bootleg it or pay 20 pounds/dollars for it or just stupid off topic rants that have nothing to do with 313..meanwhile a good amount of techno is released and goes unnoticed for about 2 weeks untill someone finally brings its up. now there is nothing wrong with theo and kdj record discussions i love these guys and we support the 3 chairs here in portland...but i myself have seen basically the same thread over and over conserning these guys..but man i dont know the last time someone did a review/opinion of a tunnel 7 track...see in MY OPINION it seems like alot of people just want to collect cool 313 records and let the list know they own them..its almost like a cool contest or something you cant be taken serious unless you have ugly edits 1-7 and kdj # whateverand don't you dare comment on someone unless you have these special limited tracks..yea some on this list know more than others, but who careslets try to include THE WHOLE LIST not just the ones who have accsess to the limited cool guy records ..i just would like to talk about 313 techno/ or 313 techno related stuff more often instead of the price of a beer in manchester or what stupid english slang words mean...or how anyone who talks over there records need to be poked in the eye, all of it is just plain stupidity.. my 2 dollars worth.a penny dont get you [EMAIL PROTECTED] anymore michael www.renegaderhythms.com On 9-dec-04, at 15:47, robin wrote: in terms of detroit releases i think there's been a shift in detroits output from techno to house in recent years. Agreed but.. i'd be happy to discuss dj bone or gary martin or any other of the more 'electric' releases coming from the d tho. both of whom have had some great releases this year. just had a thought: maybe the fact that UR have gone off the boil in some peoples eyes (mine one of em) has left 313 techno with a slight lack of focus? Well i still love most of the UR releases :) but besides that. There has been enough detroit techno, only no one hardly mentions it on this list. People keep on discussing house no one hardly ever mention Puzzlebox releases here or Tunnel 7 or that new label Plan A etc. There is still a lot of good techno coming out lately. Almost no one mentioned the new 154 album on delsin, or stuff on headspace, emoticon, 100% pure (yes back in business). just a thought to...
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I think UR is on point- Windchime was incredible. Orlando Voorn is on a roll. I like the way electro funk is going, and UR is releasing another Aquanauts. On Thursday, December 9, 2004, at 08:47 AM, robin wrote: ust had a thought: maybe the fact that UR have gone off the boil in some peoples eyes (mine one of em) has left 313 techno with a slight lack of focus? robin...
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-- Original Message -- From: Renegade808 [EMAIL PROTECTED] meanwhile a good amount of techno is released and goes unnoticed for about 2 weeks untill someone finally brings its up. but man i dont know the last time someone did a review/opinion of a tunnel 7 track... here's a revolutionary thought (and im not trying to be a prick by suggesting it): why not mention/review these records yourself? i dont mention every single record i get on this list, just the ones that i feel need to be discussed. so you should start threads about the records YOU think need to be discussed. and so should everyone else who feels their strain of 313 related music is under represented in discussion. its just that simple. tom andythepooh.com
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Mike. Try bringing up this talk yourself instead of waiting for others to do it, and then sitting there moaning about it when no one else does it. And regards cool guy records. I'm talking about the s**t I can come across from, you know, the local record shop - no where else. Besides, I always thought peeps might want to know about the new bits - I do in reverse, the bits I dont have then I can make a note to look for. Moan moan moan moan, And then do nothing about it. Good one. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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Come on guys, t'is the season to be jolly and all that... Martin On 10 Dec 2004, at 09:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike. Try bringing up this talk yourself instead of waiting for others to do it, and then sitting there moaning about it when no one else does it. And regards cool guy records. I'm talking about the s**t I can come across from, you know, the local record shop - no where else. Besides, I always thought peeps might want to know about the new bits - I do in reverse, the bits I dont have then I can make a note to look for. Moan moan moan moan, And then do nothing about it. Good one. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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but man i dont know the last time someone did a review/opinion of a tunnel 7 track.. I've never heard of tunnel 7. any chance of a heads up from someone? (you know, instead of being sat there picking your nose lurking about) Mike - any chance? Thanks _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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Come on guys, t'is the season to be jolly and all that... bollocks to that. take a moan, do something about it or shut up I say. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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I picked up a Tunnel 7 release, I thought there had only been one but it seems from discogs there have been 3. I got #2 which is by S2, Dex and Ray 7 - from memory, and its a while since I picked it up its 3 pretty decent techno/electro cuts. http://www.discogs.com/label/Tunnel+7 Cheers BT --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but man i dont know the last time someone did a review/opinion of a tunnel 7 track.. I've never heard of tunnel 7. any chance of a heads up from someone? (you know, instead of being sat there picking your nose lurking about) Mike - any chance? Thanks _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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Alex I was not really refering to you when taking about cool guy records or anyone in particular but hey if the shoe fits wear it..i was GENERALLY talking about the list discussions overall.i am just pointing out something that happens over and over (as in kdj threads).it just seems like many things get talked about repeatedly.i just figured people would catch on and kinda be like hey we have already covered this like 50 times lets move on.. the things i WAS refering to you about were some of the dumb ass threads you start (in my opinion)not all of them are dumb , but some are VERY off topic.and i am not saying it is just you, but since you seem to have a problem with me and the things i post, than i will direct this at you i guessi aint saying you cant post whatever you want but manif your bored at work please keep from junking up my mailbox and others with dumb threads about how people who talk over records should be poked in the eye or whatever you feel like talking about on a monday morning. half of the time i post its just my thoughts or opinions on whatever it is we are talking abouti am not trying to be the correct one or the 313 leader... just sharing my thoughts which is what i thought this list is about so unless i say something directly to you alex than quit jumping down my throat any time i say something. and if your wondering why it is i lurk most of the time and don't participate well this should be a good indication as to why.attitude all over this listand yea including mine i am not moaning at all, just pointing out a few things...sorry if you don't like italex michael www.renegaderhythms.com Mike. Try bringing up this talk yourself instead of waiting for others to do it, and then sitting there moaning about it when no one else does it. And regards cool guy records. I'm talking about the s**t I can come across from, you know, the local record shop - no where else. Besides, I always thought peeps might want to know about the new bits - I do in reverse, the bits I dont have then I can make a note to look for. Moan moan moan moan, And then do nothing about it. Good one. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) A possible reason for so much off-topic...is because those who wanna talk about music don't do.
sorry to say so, but this is just somehow boring... this is the du bist ein arschloch-thread #3039 this year so far... talking about music, detroit music: grabbed a copy of omar s - day/night (aos 004), ace record, this guy is hot! the tune just fits perfectly with meikbar - my back (stunning 12 as already mentioned)... oh, and the new moxies are quite good! does anyone know if it's once again c2 on the re-edit? c. Renegade808 wrote: Alex I was not really refering to you when taking about cool guy records or anyone in particular but hey if the shoe fits wear it..i was GENERALLY talking about the list discussions overall.i am just pointing out something that happens over and over (as in kdj threads).it just seems like many things get talked about repeatedly.i just figured people would catch on and kinda be like hey we have already covered this like 50 times lets move on.. the things i WAS refering to you about were some of the dumb ass threads you start (in my opinion)not all of them are dumb , but some are VERY off topic.and i am not saying it is just you, but since you seem to have a problem with me and the things i post, than i will direct this at you i guessi aint saying you cant post whatever you want but manif your bored at work please keep from junking up my mailbox and others with dumb threads about how people who talk over records should be poked in the eye or whatever you feel like talking about on a monday morning. half of the time i post its just my thoughts or opinions on whatever it is we are talking abouti am not trying to be the correct one or the 313 leader... just sharing my thoughts which is what i thought this list is about so unless i say something directly to you alex than quit jumping down my throat any time i say something. and if your wondering why it is i lurk most of the time and don't participate well this should be a good indication as to why.attitude all over this listand yea including mine i am not moaning at all, just pointing out a few things...sorry if you don't like italex michael www.renegaderhythms.com Mike. Try bringing up this talk yourself instead of waiting for others to do it, and then sitting there moaning about it when no one else does it. And regards cool guy records. I'm talking about the s**t I can come across from, you know, the local record shop - no where else. Besides, I always thought peeps might want to know about the new bits - I do in reverse, the bits I dont have then I can make a note to look for. Moan moan moan moan, And then do nothing about it. Good one. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. --- avast! Antivirus: Eingehende Nachricht sauber. Virus-Datenbank (VPS): 0450-1, 09.12.2004 Getestet um: 10.12.2004 13:54:29 avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2004 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com
Re: (313) A possible reason for so much off-topic...is because those who wanna talk about music don't do.
talking about music, detroit music: grabbed a copy of omar s - day/night (aos 004), ace record, this guy is hot! the tune just fits perfectly with meikbar - my back (stunning 12 as already mentioned)... oh, and the new moxies are quite good! does anyone know if it's once again c2 on the re-edit? fairly sure these new ones are mr. moxie on the edits robin...
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I don't think that a discussion about whether vocals add to or detract from a house/techno track is a brilliant example of something that's phenomenally off-topic. Especially when it's specifically referring to What Happened?, which is undeniably a 313 track. The thing here is that everyone has an idea in their heads of what they'd ideally like to see discussed on 313, and these ideas differ from person to person. Everyone, I'm sure, has a few minor gripes (I'm not a huge fan of the ongoing KDJ/Theo discussions either) but probably thinks they're the only one who does. And every now and again these gripes spill out into a bit of a moan, in which some people will point the finger at other subscribers while other people will look for more exogenuous reasons for the problem (such as Tosh's question about the amount of 313 techno that's actually being released these days). Ultimately, the only statement I'd agree with absolutely is, if there are things you'd like to see discussed more often on 313, then start discussions about them. Brendan -Original Message- From: Renegade808 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 December 2004 12:41 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) A possible reason for so much off-topic... Alex I was not really refering to you when taking about cool guy records or anyone in particular but hey if the shoe fits wear it..i was GENERALLY talking about the list discussions overall.i am just pointing out something that happens over and over (as in kdj threads).it just seems like many things get talked about repeatedly.i just figured people would catch on and kinda be like hey we have already covered this like 50 times lets move on.. the things i WAS refering to you about were some of the dumb ass threads you start (in my opinion)not all of them are dumb , but some are VERY off topic.and i am not saying it is just you, but since you seem to have a problem with me and the things i post, than i will direct this at you i guessi aint saying you cant post whatever you want but manif your bored at work please keep from junking up my mailbox and others with dumb threads about how people who talk over records should be poked in the eye or whatever you feel like talking about on a monday morning. half of the time i post its just my thoughts or opinions on whatever it is we are talking abouti am not trying to be the correct one or the 313 leader... just sharing my thoughts which is what i thought this list is about so unless i say something directly to you alex than quit jumping down my throat any time i say something. and if your wondering why it is i lurk most of the time and don't participate well this should be a good indication as to why.attitude all over this listand yea including mine i am not moaning at all, just pointing out a few things...sorry if you don't like italex michael www.renegaderhythms.com Mike. Try bringing up this talk yourself instead of waiting for others to do it, and then sitting there moaning about it when no one else does it. And regards cool guy records. I'm talking about the s**t I can come across from, you know, the local record shop - no where else. Besides, I always thought peeps might want to know about the new bits - I do in reverse, the bits I dont have then I can make a note to look for. Moan moan moan moan, And then do nothing about it. Good one. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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mailbox and others with dumb threads about how people who talk over records should be poked in the eye or whatever you feel like talking about on a monday morning. Hey, I happened to find that post pretty useful and on topic. Put me onto a couple of tracks that I might not have stubled across otherwise. And that's why I'm sub'ed to this list. It was also done with a bit of humour and had a different slant on it so chill out. I think if anything this lists lacks is people with a sense of humour. As soon as someone makes any sort of joke or sarky comment, they get their heads bitten off! I think most of the off topic conversations on this list stem from people moaning about the OT messages. This list stays pretty much on-topic, especially compared to some of the other lists I sub to. Almost all threads are about music, which of course sometimes touch on other things in life but this just stops things from getting flat and 2dimensional. This list has been full of people moaning about Otness for ages. I remember when people were moaning about links to mixes or tracks they did as being OT. The current lack of content, if anything, could be put down everything being seen as OT.
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On 10-dec-04, at 14:48, Brendan Nelson wrote: Ultimately, the only statement I'd agree with absolutely is, if there are things you'd like to see discussed more often on 313, then start discussions about them. Well the problem is that when you try to start a threat about a techno record people ignore it. The reason that this list is so off-topic sometimes is not that there seems to more detroit house then techno, the subscribers are more into house then to techno. Which is fine be me but if you are not looking for good techno you probably won't find it. I have to admit that these ongoing discussions about the latest KDJ re-re-re-re-re-release or that Theo Parrish cut-up is really boring, actually it is one of the reasons why i am on and off this list. A couple of years ago the most reoccurring discussions on here were a) Jeff Mills is not God, b) Who is Drexciya and c) What is Red Planet. Lately this has become a) Have you heard the latest KDJ b) have you heard the latest Theo Parrish c) Who the hell can Alex Bond post so much. And yeah some people do mention new techno records here but if no one responds to that people stop mentioning them because they think this lists doesn't care about that. KJ --- http://technotourist.org
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I think Tosh is an instigator. A catalyst for watching people stir...including this list. Hmmm...I haven't read one post about the reason posts are off topic. We need a break every once in a while...otherwise this list would be incredibly boring and we would be as well. d --- Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Original Message -- From: Renegade808 [EMAIL PROTECTED] meanwhile a good amount of techno is released and goes unnoticed for about 2 weeks untill someone finally brings its up. but man i dont know the last time someone did a review/opinion of a tunnel 7 track... here's a revolutionary thought (and im not trying to be a prick by suggesting it): why not mention/review these records yourself? i dont mention every single record i get on this list, just the ones that i feel need to be discussed. so you should start threads about the records YOU think need to be discussed. and so should everyone else who feels their strain of 313 related music is under represented in discussion. its just that simple. tom andythepooh.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250
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although i try to keepoaway from the drama that routinely fires up on the list, i feel i have to add to this one and agree with kj about this off-topic business the main reason why i never feel compelled to post is because, like kj said, most posts about techno (or whatever isn't everyones flavour of the month) tend to get ignored, and often interesting posts just get warped into some sort of list-inside-joke. and yes, an awful lot of house does get discussed here... having said that i would like to say that some of my favourite records of this year are (with little comments so as to make this list more informative): 154 - strike: besides the fact that i love every single thing this guy has released, this is just a timeless classic, the music is simply beautiful sleeparchive - elephant island ep: ice cold bleep minimalism, like a cross between sahko and plastikman aroy dee - glow: beautiful music that treads the fine line between house and techno. side b is a superb abstract techno monster. jeff mills - those 3 7: more bleeping nighttime techno. i am really enjoying mill's latest releases; i am re-discovering mills... luciano and serafin - funk excursion: side a only - great long and upbuilding, hipnotic, midtempo fab. citymorb music www.citymorb.net | [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps: please excuse the hardwax catalogue-like vernacular ;P - Original Message - From: kj at technotourist dot org [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Mailinglist List 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 3:14 PM Subject: Re: (313) A possible reason for so much off-topic... On 10-dec-04, at 14:48, Brendan Nelson wrote: Ultimately, the only statement I'd agree with absolutely is, if there are things you'd like to see discussed more often on 313, then start discussions about them. Well the problem is that when you try to start a threat about a techno record people ignore it. The reason that this list is so off-topic sometimes is not that there seems to more detroit house then techno, the subscribers are more into house then to techno. Which is fine be me but if you are not looking for good techno you probably won't find it. I have to admit that these ongoing discussions about the latest KDJ re-re-re-re-re-release or that Theo Parrish cut-up is really boring, actually it is one of the reasons why i am on and off this list. A couple of years ago the most reoccurring discussions on here were a) Jeff Mills is not God, b) Who is Drexciya and c) What is Red Planet. Lately this has become a) Have you heard the latest KDJ b) have you heard the latest Theo Parrish c) Who the hell can Alex Bond post so much. And yeah some people do mention new techno records here but if no one responds to that people stop mentioning them because they think this lists doesn't care about that. KJ --- http://technotourist.org
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-- Original Message -- From: Renegade808 [EMAIL PROTECTED] i aint saying you cant post whatever you want but manif your bored at work please keep from junking up my mailbox and others with dumb threads about how people who talk over records should be poked in the eye or whatever you feel like talking about on a monday morning. just sharing my thoughts which is what i thought this list is about so unless i say something directly to you alex than quit jumping down my throat any time i say something. and if your wondering why it is i lurk most of the time and don't participate well this should be a good indication as to why.attitude all over this listand yea including mine i dont have any problems with alex so i cant exactly relate, but i have had numerous head buttings with multiple people on this list (josh, plaslaiko, etc) and all of us just got on with our posting. we may have had our little incidents, but we still posted about things. having that kind of attitude about the whole thing is just counter productive. i know i like the 313 list and alot of the people on it, so even some of the off topic threads amuse me when nothing else is going on. if the thread isnt amusing i delete it, its not that hard. i still delete way more spam than i do OT 313 mail. my delete finger is in good shape. but anyway yeah, just contribute things to discussion and then everyone will be happy. tom andythepooh.com
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-- Original Message -- From: kj at technotourist dot org [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well the problem is that when you try to start a threat about a techno record people ignore it. okay, now this is hurting my head. the law of supply and demand is pretty simple to follow: if people supply something and there's no demand you dont continue to supply it. or you do and you work to create demand. anyway, i think youre wrong in that point. ive seen many discussions after marcel posts links to new techno tracks. ive seen plenty of discussions this year about kenny larkin, juan atkins, that rhobag guy, carl craig, etc etc. so people dont just ignore it even if it doesnt necessarily generate the large number of posts kenny and theo do. tom andythepooh.com
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And yeah some people do mention new techno records here but if no one responds to that people stop mentioning them because they think this lists doesn't care about that. KJ --- http://technotourist.org * I've noticed this too KJ. Maybe if anyone wants to remedy this, I might be able to offer the opportunity! :-) I'm interested in this series of Orlando Voorn releases on Ignitor. They have a peculiar history, as far as I can see. In fact, I hadn't recognized the 'Basic Bastard' project as a Voorn one until they started to appear on Ignitor (the label deal with Submerge.) He had had a number of releases under the BB tag on Spiritual records in the mid-90s. I passed on them because I thought they were little more than bangin' nonsense. When 'Cruisin' appeared (the first BB) on Ignitor, I was intrigued because it was the first Ignitor track (I think) after one of my favorites of last year, 'Diligent'. But when I heard it, I was surprised because it was really linear and far less sophisticated a piece than 'Diligent'. Still far away from the average 'mono' tackle but not all that special really, imo. It now turns out that apart from 'Cruisin', the BB tracks are pretty old. It'd be nice to know what some other people think of the series. I think this is a worthwhile topic because it's about a veteran 313-related artist with a solid body of past work, a lot of which I *do* like, despite my wariness about the Basic Bastard material. K (Silence follows, I bet! ;-)
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You have to admit though... Seems like everyone only talks about house and not techno anymore on here about 95% of the time. SO, did anybody buy any really great electro records this year? Maybe banging stuff with a slight 313/UR feel, stuff I could rock the dance floor with? I know about UR and Olando Voorn, but would really like to hear about other records, I'm not really sure what all is coming out, local record stores don't stock all that much electro. ~David
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I tell you what, that 'Cities in Retro' re-release thing by Ultradyne is pretty banging - but good imo. Also check out Dez Williams' material, especially the EP on AI, 'Hex Abuse'. K -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 December 2004 15:39 To: Brendan Nelson; Renegade808; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) A possible reason for so much off-topic... You have to admit though... Seems like everyone only talks about house and not techno anymore on here about 95% of the time. SO, did anybody buy any really great electro records this year? Maybe banging stuff with a slight 313/UR feel, stuff I could rock the dance floor with? I know about UR and Olando Voorn, but would really like to hear about other records, I'm not really sure what all is coming out, local record stores don't stock all that much electro. ~David
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Hi Ken, Ive picked up BB's 1,3,4 5 (I think thats all that I have seen so far). I like them all but I like most Orlando Voorn things ive heard. 313ers, As to the current topic of no techno/electro records being discussed. I buy lots of records, every style, all the time - I think I have a problem actually, I just cant stop myself ;-)) I would be happy to list them on here (as I do on the LD new records thread every week) but I am really really rubbish and inarticaulate when it comes to describing them so it would be more of a list than a review. If this is something that people would like to see let me know, it would not be a problem... to give you an idea here is what I have picked up over the last few weeks... CHEZ DAMIER FEATURING LEROY BURGESS, Your Love (Lifted Me Up), 12 + 7 CONFUTATIS, Light Reflects Sound, 12 DADABLEEP, Phuq-U, 12 ERROR ERROR, It Hits My Hair, 12 LAWRENCE / VARIOUS, For From Lawrence, 12 MIKKEL METAL, Sorano EP, 12 STRATEGY, Super Vamp, 12 TEAM DOYOBI, Antiquity, 12 THE ARCHITECT, The Night Aint Over, 12 VARIOUS / SPEZIAL MATERIAL, SM03 - A Spezial Material compilation, 2LP Max Berlin : Elle Moi (Remixes Disc 1) - 12 DJ Genesis Pres. Omega : Hush (Amp Fiddler / DJ Dez Remixes) - 12 Herbie Hancock : Stars In Your Eyes (Yam Who Remix) - 12 154 : Strike - 2xLP Psyche : Elements / Neurotic Behaviour - 12 Red Astaire : Hazlo Correcto - 12 Shannon : Let The Music Play - 12 The Underground Track Master : Futuristic Throwback EP - 12 Various Artists : Tango Pres. Get Up Sampler Part One - 12 CARSTEN JOST, Lost Tracks 2, 12 CASCO PRESENTS, Stop / Living Up (Bangkok Impact / Putsch 79 remixes), 12 CHIC / JEAN CARNE / MTUME, Bloody Cheeky, 12 FLUXION, D-Teck, 12 Modeselektor - Turn Deaf! Gameboy - Unbreakable DJ Bone - Encounter 1 A Blast From The Past - Back To The Warehouse EP Starship 727 - All Depends on You Jeff Mills - Three Ages A Guy Called Gerald - First Try NWAQ 4 Troubleshooter - Disaster Recovery EP Luke Eargoggle - If I were a King Luke Eargoggle - NYA Regler Shitcluster - Beyond a Joke Unit Black Flight - Infiltration and Extraction Thomas Barnet - Thrill of the Hunt Also, i want to say that I think people have been a bit harsh on Alex today - he does contribute a lot of usefull information to the list as well as some humour and I think most of the time that the so called OT posts happen is when the list is pretty dead anyway. I certainly dont have a problem with it. Well thats enough from me Cheers BT --- Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It'd be nice to know what some other people think of the series. I think this is a worthwhile topic because it's about a veteran 313-related artist with a solid body of past work, a lot of which I *do* like, despite my wariness about the Basic Bastard material. K (Silence follows, I bet! ;-)
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I have Cruisin I think, not too good with track titles but I liked both that and the track on the other side. It to me is really classic sounding Detroit techno, not at all too mono, but just the right deepness while still having enough drive for the dance floor. It's a kind of sound I think of as 313 but don't hear so much. I thought the other sides of the Fix Flash on electrofunk were kind of cool too, though definitely kind of older, had this real nice ghettotech feel but with a lot of substance. Unfortunately haven't really had cash to buy more of these records this year, but was actually thinking about trying to pick more of his stuff up. Would love to hear any track by track reviews. Well I should probably just go to submerge eh? Oh and his set at Movement was HOT despite crap sound. ~David -- Original Message - Subject: RE: (313) A possible reason for so much off-topic...(Basic B'stard) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:30:51 - From: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: kj at technotourist dot org [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 Mailinglist List 313@hyperreal.org And yeah some people do mention new techno records here but if no one responds to that people stop mentioning them because they think this lists doesn't care about that. KJ --- http://technotourist.org * I've noticed this too KJ. Maybe if anyone wants to remedy this, I might be able to offer the opportunity! :-) I'm interested in this series of Orlando Voorn releases on Ignitor. They have a peculiar history, as far as I can see. In fact, I hadn't recognized the 'Basic Bastard' project as a Voorn one until they started to appear on Ignitor (the label deal with Submerge.) He had had a number of releases under the BB tag on Spiritual records in the mid-90s. I passed on them because I thought they were little more than bangin' nonsense. When 'Cruisin' appeared (the first BB) on Ignitor, I was intrigued because it was the first Ignitor track (I think) after one of my favorites of last year, 'Diligent'. But when I heard it, I was surprised because it was really linear and far less sophisticated a piece than 'Diligent'. Still far away from the average 'mono' tackle but not all that special really, imo. It now turns out that apart from 'Cruisin', the BB tracks are pretty old. It'd be nice to know what some other people think of the series. I think this is a worthwhile topic because it's about a veteran 313-related artist with a solid body of past work, a lot of which I *do* like, despite my wariness about the Basic Bastard material. K (Silence follows, I bet! ;-)
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To be honest, I've never even heard of Dez Williams... should I have? Who is he, where from, been around long? -- Original Message - Subject: RE: (313) A possible reason for so much off-topic... Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:46:02 - From: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org I tell you what, that 'Cities in Retro' re-release thing by Ultradyne is pretty banging - but good imo. Also check out Dez Williams' material, especially the EP on AI, 'Hex Abuse'. K -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 December 2004 15:39 To: Brendan Nelson; Renegade808; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) A possible reason for so much off-topic... You have to admit though... Seems like everyone only talks about house and not techno anymore on here about 95% of the time. SO, did anybody buy any really great electro records this year? Maybe banging stuff with a slight 313/UR feel, stuff I could rock the dance floor with? I know about UR and Olando Voorn, but would really like to hear about other records, I'm not really sure what all is coming out, local record stores don't stock all that much electro. ~David
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As far as I know he has been around for best part of 10 years - search for his name here http://www.boomkat.com/ and you can hear samples of the Ai release that Ken mentioned (I also rate this one highly for what its worth) and also his last album on SCSI Cheers BT --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To be honest, I've never even heard of Dez Williams... should I have? Who is he, where from, been around long? -- Original Message - Subject: RE: (313) A possible reason for so much off-topic... Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:46:02 - From: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org I tell you what, that 'Cities in Retro' re-release thing by Ultradyne is pretty banging - but good imo. Also check out Dez Williams' material, especially the EP on AI, 'Hex Abuse'. K -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 December 2004 15:39 To: Brendan Nelson; Renegade808; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) A possible reason for so much off-topic... You have to admit though... Seems like everyone only talks about house and not techno anymore on here about 95% of the time. SO, did anybody buy any really great electro records this year? Maybe banging stuff with a slight 313/UR feel, stuff I could rock the dance floor with? I know about UR and Olando Voorn, but would really like to hear about other records, I'm not really sure what all is coming out, local record stores don't stock all that much electro. ~David
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Unfortunately haven't really had cash to buy more of these records this year, but was actually thinking about trying to pick more of his stuff up. Would love to hear any track by track reviews. Well I should probably just go to submerge eh? yeah the BB stuff i didn't check first time around (in the 90s). lack of info on my part. 4 and 5 seem to be doing the rounds at the mo. from the clips they're on my 'to buy' list as they're less banging than i expected. Oh and his set at Movement was HOT despite crap sound. i agree. if you're gonna play uptempo techno/electro that's defo the way i like it. just the right amount of booty, tricks and changes. yeah shame about the sound in there. i think there were a couple of sweet spots in the sound in there. if you weren't there then it sounded bad. robin...
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This is wicked! I'm told there's a whole Greek scene on this sort of tip building up - good news no? FLUXION, D-Teck, 12
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re: electro - roko dragonbreath on blacklabel. really varied, really good stuff. all dynarec things, all ultradyne things. there was some great luke eargoggle/stilleben stuff. the pubahs album had plenty of pretty electro moments, real good. that sterac one. i see there's a new pametex out now at clone which i bet is great. yeah i'd go check clone for tips...new dexter, new klakson stuff, yep yep re: orlando ken - no one's gonna reply cus you're out of your mind! cruising is huge...the chords may be a little bit trancey but the humming bassline is so nice imo, gives me shivers. and the squiggly sounds that come in. there is one basic bastard reissue vol i'm not too hot on, but all the others are amazing, deep, melodic , just plain great detroit techno. lookout, jason b may already be on his way to your place to have a talk...:P re: lurkers who contribute hardly anything but occasional complaints, i'm gonna poke a stick in your eye. post something interesting yourself, this list is your responsibility to try and make it what you want. people who lurk and then complain when great content isn't delivered to them is such a spoiled, entitled attitude. besides, what the hell is wrong with alex bond bringing up tracks with social commentary talk over them? it's music! and it was about blake baxter, how more 313 do you wanna get!? it's a sh!tload better than someone submitting yet another complaint that provides nothing worthwhile for anybody to read. alex provides more juicy gossip, upcoming release news, and stimulating music talk than about anybody else, and most of his posts are very succinct and don't contain huge quoted messages or anything. he bats about 700/1000 a week ! :P you're bound to hit the ball if you swing at enough pitches
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SO, did anybody buy any really great electro records this year? Maybe banging stuff with a slight 313/UR feel, stuff I could rock the dance floor with? The claro intellecto ep sections as well as the previous piece of mind both have some serious space cadet bangout electro on. Also the big booty ep on electrofunk by mr. De is Ghetto heat for real.(nobody knows about these bxtches...). Ultradyne's priviledge of sacrifice joint as well as the cities in retro bizness are both ESSENTIAL. Kinda evil too. In like that evil witch that everybody wants to tap cuz she's so hot kinda way. I liked the sterac stuff but couldn't afford to buy 'em. The arne weinberg 7 (aw001) has a break that I consider electro, but not in the typical drexciya definition. Not banging so much as trancending melodica, but electro nonetheless. Also another arne track, the one on starbaby (can't think of the title) is dope. I'm not too big on the fabrice lig rmx, or the other, more minimal electro track with the atonal sawtooths,, but the lush track with the falling one note bassline is the bizzomb, sounds so urgent and futuristic (ahh those verbed! out bells...). Also coming out of this into cybotron-clear has become one of my after I clear the floor standard moves. Always gets 'em back in the groove. I never got any of the dynarec joints though I still want them soo bad. Mecha on the rick wade thing is one of my fave electro releases of the year though pretty far from banging though, more moody than anything. Man there's tons more I can't recall right now. Have to flip through my bag when I get home. How's that for techno talk? Am I cool yet? Oh wait! **reaches for a kool menthol and a white label** ;^D Kamal K. Stoddard Techno Kool Kids Inc. ** I am exactly what I wanted to become since I was 5 years old. Since 5 year olds are not noted for mature judgement and sometimes aspire to piracy or gunfighting, this is not necessarily a sign of success. **
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Hi Dan, that is good news, as you say this one is top, so I for one am up for more. Thanks for the info Cheers BT --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is wicked! I'm told there's a whole Greek scene on this sort of tip building up - good news no? FLUXION, D-Teck, 12
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what i think plays an important role in the decline of 313-techno being discussed on this list compared to, say 4 or 5 years ago, are a couple of factors: 1. most people now subscribed have been on this list for a long time, and have allready heard/read all the who is drexciya threads etc. so once a question pops up, it either gets answered quickly, or it passes everyones attention, as it seems irrelevant. 2. the knowledge available outside of the list has grown enormously. was the 313-list one of the few places to get information on drexciya, s.i.d., retroactive records or santonio echols, nowadays a google search will provide you with information, where a couple of years ago all you got was a link to a recordstore when typing drexciya into google. 3. if you go back to the '94 archives, and up to the late 90ies, a lot of information is shared on the period from '86-'94. all this information is now common knowledge, so it doesn't get discussed anymore, whereas a couple of years ago it made up for 20% or so of the total information flow on the 313-list. 4. and perhaps not as much techno is coming from detroit as it was a decade ago, where the rest of the world has caught up. all these factors combined, result in a decrease of on topic posts. jurren (who forgot to add orgue electrique's 'texas brooklyn heaven' on creme to his best of 2004 list) _ MSN Search, for accurate results! http://search.msn.nl
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I think there's still a nice number of techno coming out of detroit and outside detroit under small independent labels, but the fact the're small is big part of the problem. we never hear about them and therefore it sometimes get's overlooked when mentioned in the threads. M From: jurren baars [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) A possible reason for so much off-topic... Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:48:27 + what i think plays an important role in the decline of 313-techno being discussed on this list compared to, say 4 or 5 years ago, are a couple of factors: 1. most people now subscribed have been on this list for a long time, and have allready heard/read all the who is drexciya threads etc. so once a question pops up, it either gets answered quickly, or it passes everyones attention, as it seems irrelevant. 2. the knowledge available outside of the list has grown enormously. was the 313-list one of the few places to get information on drexciya, s.i.d., retroactive records or santonio echols, nowadays a google search will provide you with information, where a couple of years ago all you got was a link to a recordstore when typing drexciya into google. 3. if you go back to the '94 archives, and up to the late 90ies, a lot of information is shared on the period from '86-'94. all this information is now common knowledge, so it doesn't get discussed anymore, whereas a couple of years ago it made up for 20% or so of the total information flow on the 313-list. 4. and perhaps not as much techno is coming from detroit as it was a decade ago, where the rest of the world has caught up. all these factors combined, result in a decrease of on topic posts. jurren (who forgot to add orgue electrique's 'texas brooklyn heaven' on creme to his best of 2004 list) _ MSN Search, for accurate results! http://search.msn.nl _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
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speaking of off-topic, i'd say this thread defines it. On Fri, 10 Dec 2004, Renegade808 wrote: Alex I was not really refering to you when taking about cool guy records or anyone in particular but hey if the shoe fits wear it..i was GENERALLY talking about the list discussions overall.i am just pointing out something that happens over and over (as in kdj threads).it just seems like many things get talked about repeatedly.i just figured people would catch on and kinda be like hey we have already covered this like 50 times lets move on.. the things i WAS refering to you about were some of the dumb ass threads you start (in my opinion)not all of them are dumb , but some are VERY off topic.and i am not saying it is just you, but since you seem to have a problem with me and the things i post, than i will direct this at you i guessi aint saying you cant post whatever you want but manif your bored at work please keep from junking up my mailbox and others with dumb threads about how people who talk over records should be poked in the eye or whatever you feel like talking about on a monday morning. half of the time i post its just my thoughts or opinions on whatever it is we are talking abouti am not trying to be the correct one or the 313 leader... just sharing my thoughts which is what i thought this list is about so unless i say something directly to you alex than quit jumping down my throat any time i say something. and if your wondering why it is i lurk most of the time and don't participate well this should be a good indication as to why.attitude all over this listand yea including mine i am not moaning at all, just pointing out a few things...sorry if you don't like italex michael www.renegaderhythms.com Mike. Try bringing up this talk yourself instead of waiting for others to do it, and then sitting there moaning about it when no one else does it. And regards cool guy records. I'm talking about the s**t I can come across from, you know, the local record shop - no where else. Besides, I always thought peeps might want to know about the new bits - I do in reverse, the bits I dont have then I can make a note to look for. Moan moan moan moan, And then do nothing about it. Good one. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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I would like to hypothesize that the reason there is so much off-topic posting here in the last while is because 313 techno is no longer being made in an amount worthy of generating a focussed discussion. I'll wait for half of you stop seeing red... I don't buy records, and rarely CDs. I'm just a hanger-on, so my perspective is not one based musically. But as an observer of this list I can say that the amount of on-topic postings as of the last couple years has gone down greatly. Why? The most plausible reason is that the availability of topic to actually discuss has gone down. Again, I'm not at the shops so maybe I am missing the wealth of new 313 techno that is there, pardon my ignorance. From my persepctive this looks more like a list of mostly like-minded people sharing stuff that catches their fancy which is somehow loosely related to 313 techno. This isn't bad. I like chatting with people who I can share ideas and stuff with. But the question still remains: has the availability of topic to actually discuss has gone down? Tosh -- McIntosh Cooey - Twelve Hundred Group LLC - http://www.1200group.com/
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This isn't bad. I like chatting with people who I can share ideas and stuff with. I agree Tosh! _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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From my persepctive this looks more like a list of mostly like-minded people sharing stuff that catches their fancy which is somehow loosely related to 313 techno. This isn't bad. I like chatting with people who I can share ideas and stuff with. i like this list for that reason. i don't think the s/n ratio is that bad really. But the question still remains: has the availability of topic to actually discuss has gone down? in terms of detroit releases i think there's been a shift in detroits output from techno to house in recent years. i'd be happy to discuss dj bone or gary martin or any other of the more 'electric' releases coming from the d tho. both of whom have had some great releases this year. just had a thought: maybe the fact that UR have gone off the boil in some peoples eyes (mine one of em) has left 313 techno with a slight lack of focus? robin...
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On 9-dec-04, at 15:47, robin wrote: in terms of detroit releases i think there's been a shift in detroits output from techno to house in recent years. Agreed but.. i'd be happy to discuss dj bone or gary martin or any other of the more 'electric' releases coming from the d tho. both of whom have had some great releases this year. just had a thought: maybe the fact that UR have gone off the boil in some peoples eyes (mine one of em) has left 313 techno with a slight lack of focus? Well i still love most of the UR releases :) but besides that. There has been enough detroit techno, only no one hardly mentions it on this list. People keep on discussing house no one hardly ever mention Puzzlebox releases here or Tunnel 7 or that new label Plan A etc. There is still a lot of good techno coming out lately. Almost no one mentioned the new 154 album on delsin, or stuff on headspace, emoticon, 100% pure (yes back in business). just a thought to...
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i'd be happy to discuss dj bone or gary martin or any other of the more 'electric' releases coming from the d tho. both of whom have had some great releases this year. just had a thought: maybe the fact that UR have gone off the boil in some peoples eyes (mine one of em) has left 313 techno with a slight lack of focus? Well i still love most of the UR releases :) but besides that. There has been enough detroit techno, only no one hardly mentions it on this list. People keep on discussing house no one hardly ever mention Puzzlebox releases here or Tunnel 7 or that new label Plan A etc. There is still a lot of good techno coming out lately. Almost no one mentioned the new 154 album on delsin, or stuff on headspace, emoticon, 100% pure (yes back in business). yeah true...actually there's a ton of new techno around that we don't discuss...erm from right now of course :) also i forgot to add juan atkins to my little list of people coming up with the 313 goods. he's had a blinding year. annoying the neighbours at the mo with 'i love you' off the ffwd ep on NR. sublime techno. robin...
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yeah true...actually there's a ton of new techno around that we don't discuss...erm from right now of course :) i meant _apart_ from right now. robin...
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Well i still love most of the UR releases :) but besides that. There has been enough detroit techno, only no one hardly mentions it on this list. People keep on discussing house no one hardly ever mention Puzzlebox releases here or Tunnel 7 or that new label Plan A etc. There is still a lot of good techno coming out lately. Almost no one mentioned the new 154 album on delsin, or stuff on headspace, emoticon, 100% pure (yes back in business). Hey KJ. Well. point taken. I thought I banged on about that 154 lp enough! Owww. The Sun What more can I say? It would have been in my top ten, but only one track by each artist was my rule. But anyway, you're right. But there's things you gotta remember. Like being where you are I think its better for getting good deep techno records on small labels. So us guys are relying on you, so why didnt you post more about them? !!! Ok, we're quite spoiled here in Manchester, but it aint that good for this sorta stuff.. I was hunting about in Manc for those eargasmic things the other day, no where had 'em... Also labels like delsin, nwaq, mos, downlow, the rachmad labels etc only really just started filtering through. If you can't order from the net, you miss out..(or used to). I guess its even worse for the majority of subscribers to this list. So, anyway, I'm blaming all the lack of techno talk on you. ; ) teehee only kiddin. but you know what I mean right?! _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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I reckon it takes all flavours to make this list, as Mike said in his recent interview, even he's down with Danzig, good man... Martin
