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I saw DJ Ken this weekend in Toronto. He rocked some hard tech-house and the crowd really ate it up. Barbie looked a little too fucked up to notice though. I heard she has a nasty crystal habit. Kevin
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You're all missing the obvious. :) Maybe a little girl will be given a set of dolls and she will play with them, let Barbie have a go on the decks, and grow up associating the decks with her dolls and then, having reached her teens and fully discovered music, decide to get onto the decks herself. That would be cool, hmmm? There are toy turntables by Fischer Price (sp) which are now highly sought after by DJs for their kids. Cheers C I saw DJ Ken this weekend in Toronto. He rocked some hard tech-house and the crowd really ate it up. Barbie looked a little too fucked up to notice though. I heard she has a nasty crystal habit. Kevin
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Right..!.. one of my babies shouted this out to me this AM: His name is BLAINE the DJ and he kicks it with the Generation Girls! ... not yer mama's Barbie dolls..., J. E. v. F-B. B.
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As far as my comments a couple day ago on this stupid thread that wont go away , I was just stating that raves have become a part of youth culture and that's why your seeing more advertisements like DJ Ken or Baby Pop Poppers. Sadly, I still have to go to these youth gatherings to see the occasional decent techno dj that comes to town, wait in a long line the with these kids that for some reason they think i'm a dope dealer, i geuss cause Im not sporting baggy pants, baby pacifiers, glow sticks, ect.. then i pay the $20 admition, listen to 5 hours of tastles epic-progreesive trance by some wack local dj who thinks he's the shit and go away thinking, damn I just blew $20, should've stayed home and ordered a large pepperoni pizza from domino's and tried to beat solaris on the atari 2600. Ahh..it feels good to be single. Ahh..I just farted, another reason why it feals good to be single. try and draw the distinction between the two genres by claiming something to the effect of a breakbeat can roughly be defined as a beat NOT in 4/4 time whereas house beats are beats in 4/4 time. yea, people get 4/4 confused with 4 on the floor, or farley foot if your from chicago.
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I shouldn't be contributing to such a lame thread, but nobody seems to be stating what hopefully most people would think if they saw this toy; who cares?is everyone one this list this UPTIGHT all the time? I think DJ Ken is pretty cool and a neat indicator of the times. I can picture the two little girls next door scratching some toy vinyl. I'll pick one up myself if I see it. I don't understand what people wantnothing good is going to stay totally underground, no matter how much you don't want 'your' scene ruined. At the same time, the 'real' music is never going to blow up, because it's got soul, or very abstract ideas, and isn't made for getting off your face. So really, isn't this a good thing? The scene in general is less foreign to the general public, and people who are interested in sourcing out quality electronic tunes without a huge understanding of it all can find music that stretches beyond moonshine's 'trance nation'. Simultaneously, the brand new envelope pushing music is still far below the general public's consciousness, because so few are down with the real revolutionary stuff. The integration of the DJ into popular culture is a good thing, not a bad one. Do you want 50 or 500 people interested in your music? I'd go for the 500, even if every person didn't 'get it'. Jason GMOrecords
Re: (313) Rave betty Barbie and DJ Ken/music journalism
what bothers me about so much music journalism is how misguided and generally stupid it is. it tries to force everything into a lame post-modern perspective whereby EVERYTHING MUST BE categorized somehow and all descriptions of x track are supposed to sum up the music perfectly by using lots of adjectives. it does more damage to the music than respect. Well that's not too surprising -- most record reviewers these days don't even seem to know what 4/4 time is :) The Rough Guides to House and Drum and Bass try and draw the distinction between the two genres by claiming something to the effect of a breakbeat can roughly be defined as a beat NOT in 4/4 time whereas house beats are beats in 4/4 time. (don't listen to much drum and bass but I have yet to hear a drum and bass track that's not in 4/4 time :) Dan __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Agreed. My primary complaint with most music journalism is that it's simply boring, and generally poorly informed. For all the aspersions cast in his direction by members of this list, I at least think Simon Reynolds is at least interesting to read (even thoughe he is eminently disagreeable, coins more hyphenated neologisms than Kodwo Eshun, and just had to gratuitiously drop the fact that Brendan Gillen reads Baudriallard in his arcticle about Ectomorph -- puke :)...But in general most reviewers don't know shit. Alrighty, enuf digressing -- back to the choons. dan In a message dated 4/14/00 5:14:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: what bothers me about so much music journalism is how misguided and generally stupid it is. it tries to force everything into a lame post-modern perspective whereby EVERYTHING MUST BE categorized somehow and all descriptions of x track are supposed to sum up the music perfectly by using lots of adjectives. it does more damage to the music than respect.
Re: (313) Rave betty Barbie and DJ Ken/An even younger generation
I personally am less troubled by the presence of turntables in a barbie playset than by their presence in the band limp bizkit where they are used almost solely for the pop appeal of the urban image to market to mall children and to add a few needless and poorly placed scratches over a distorted guitar (btw that motherfucker hooks his rig up through a marshall stack which is just wrong...ugh). This is the commoditization of DJ culture. Had to get my $.02 in... If DJ Ken is not the commodification of DJ Culture, I don't know what is - and _that_ is what troubles me. The BK DJs and other DJs for effect are also very troubling, but DJ Ken takes the cake. I think I had a nightmare about this last night after going to an afterhours with all sorts of young DJs I'd never seen before. Some were actually quite good, and none personified the DJ Ken look, nor were any of them particularly rave-y. The things that pissed me off the most were the drunken raver/frat boy (an oxymoron???) with a glow stick in his mouth, obviously oblivious to anything happening around him, and the guy who picked his friend up and slammed down on the ground two feet from the turntables (they seemed surprised the music skipped). I've been kind of out of the party scene for a while and this really surprised me. Iowa City has developed a very educated scene over the last few years (@ clubs anyway) and most of the kids turning up week in, week out are younger. What I witnessed last night is an even younger group of kids coming up now that have the same ignorance our now-educated older kids once had. Anyone notice a trend? It seems to me what's new about kids getting into the scene now versus two-three years ago (or nine years ago when I was a kid getting into the scene) is the number of people there for the wrong reasons. As others have said, there have always been idiots in the scene, but the number of idiots gravitating towards the scene is increasing - probably because of the commodification. I got into the scene for the right reasons, ie, the music, but listened mostly to the Rave music @ first because it was all I could find/all I knew. I think this was common back then unless you were in Chicago/Detroit. I think it's important to make a distinction between people who don't have access or haven't been exposed to enough different styles of electronic music, or whose tastes are engraned in what they hear the most, and those who gravitate towards the scene because it's cool, and really don't have a clue about what's going on. Tristan == PHONOPSIA[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102/index.htm FrogboyMCI on AOL Instant Messenger New mix, Propper Techno and new Album, Québécois, online now. __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
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Wow! Well you gotta positive view of the world! I'd hate to see when you get ALL CYNICAL on us! What would that be like;) But seriously, teenage is a hard time in life, everyone from little children to adults truly hates teenagers and they also hate themselves, so could it be any harder? So you have to forgive these little mistakes (baggy pants, bad haircuts, sad sex and musical stupidity) because they belong to that period. Teenage is just God's way of putting little humility to people. Have faith! Proffit Rich Neal wrote: It's funny cause I both agree and disagree with peoples bitterness towards the 'mainstreaming' of such a culture. Can you honestly say that you didn't expect this shit to happen? And for most of us, the raves are not such a huge part of our lives that something like young kids at a party seriously puts a damper on our day. Everything underground has it's time in the spotlight. Give it a few years, those kids will grow up drug addicts and not have enuf money to get into parties anyway, so have faith! Peace, Rich. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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true. could be a lot worse though. imagine if some company wanted to really cash in on the music/culture (and at the same time, insult it in a major way) and they came out with a detroit doll. the doll would be black, his favourite music would be techno, his favourite hangout the ghettos of detroit, etc. this sort of goes back to what alan was saying a few days ago about how the editors of Techno Rebels couldnt believe all these detroit artists didnt grow up in the ghetto Had to get my $.02 in... If DJ Ken is not the commodification of DJ Culture, I don't know what is - and _that_ is what troubles me. The BK DJs and other DJs for effect are also very troubling, but DJ Ken takes the cake. I think I had a nightmare about this last night after going to an afterhours with all sorts of young DJs I'd never seen before. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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It's funny cause I both agree and disagree with peoples bitterness towards the 'mainstreaming' of such a culture. Can you honestly say that you didn't expect this shit to happen? And for most of us, the raves are not such a huge part of our lives that something like young kids at a party seriously puts a damper on our day. Everything underground has it's time in the spotlight. Give it a few years, those kids will grow up drug addicts and not have enuf money to get into parties anyway, so have faith! Peace, Rich. On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 02:16:25 -0500 stephen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: US music retail chains that used to only specialize in guitars and keyboards now have dj rooms where they sell turntables, dj mixers, lighting, ect...ect On two separate occasions i've seen kids with their parents buying turntables, also see more youth in the stores playing with techo toys like the groove approved boxes and electribes. So I'm not suprized by such commercials, I think theres also a commercial from Mcdonalds where Ronald McDonald is dancing with a bunch of kids and one of the kids meal characters is behind two turntables. Go to a rave nowdayz and its just a bunch of kids with their baggy pants and baseball caps that are into trance-disco loops-progressive house-drumnbass, you dont see people that were into the scene in the early to mid 90's. As far as the WMC, I hear more and more bad stuff about that place, people tell me go once, experience all the bullshit, get it out of your system and don't even waste your time with demo material. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the record, my sarcastic comment was based around 1) the acceleration of DJ/Turntable culture as a hot 'trend' in the US in particular (especially as evidenced in advertising - which is another topic altogether) and 2) my disdain for the proliferation of DJ's 'who don't know their place.' as evidenced at WMC this year. I find nothing wrong with someone wanting to learn to/be (a) DJ. Hell, my own girlfriend is learning to spin. Agreed, everyone starts somewhere. Nothing's wrong with the adult entertainment profession as long as you're cool with it (although its not for everyone). Nor is there anything wrong with making your own CD's or shopping your original demo. It's about how you present yourself. You couldn't walk around the (overly crowded) pool area this year and discreetly give a white label to anyone without being attacked by vinyl vultures. And the worst part was that when you didn't have anything in the genre of music that they played or you said no, they were offended and felt like because they were DJ Whothefuckever from 'Oklahoma' and they spin on a cable carrier college/internet radio station you owed them something. If all that makes me elitist, fine. I don't care. pw In a message dated 4/12/00 8:35:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: tsk tsk on a lot of levels. *sigh* your whole post reads as elitist and I can't see that 313 is about that, though I wonder at times. It's about innovative electronic music and people have to start somewhere. I hope it's also about those tones healing people and a dream of a new world. So wot if it's a home burnt CD at least they are making music and trying. Stripping is decent money, the notion of a living wage is an anethema in the USA *spit* if you are talking about people more concerned with image than music, say it. *hmpmh* Emma mee-thod it's in the way that you groove it - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Free Email, Anime News, and The Best Prices at http://AnimeNation.com
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I wear baggy pants and baseball caps and I listen to/spin techno. I have only been spinning records for a year and a half. Does that mean I'm not down with YOUR undergorund? Sorry I couldn't make it to parties in the early 90's. Ya see, I would have been about 13 and I didn't quite have a driver's liscence yet. Damn, I guess that's just another reason why I'm not down. If I would have realized that how you dress and how long you have been partying and where you buy your tables was all that mattered I would have just stayed home. See, I was under the impression that it was LOVE FOR THE MUSIC that counted. I always thought that even if you're wearing butterfly wings and ponytails it was cool. You would look stupid as hell but it's cool, so long as you LOVE THE MUSIC God damn, I am so glad someone finally opened my eyes. I am never going to another party ever, ever again. - Original Message - From: stephen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 3:16 AM Subject: Re: (313) Rave betty Barbie and DJ Ken Go to a rave nowdayz and its just a bunch of kids with their baggy pants and baseball caps that are into trance-disco loops-progressive house-drumnbass, you dont see people that were into the scene in the early to mid 90's.
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In a message dated 4/14/00 1:40:53 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wear baggy pants and baseball caps and I listen to/spin techno. I have only been spinning records for a year and a half. Does that mean I'm not down with YOUR undergorund? Sorry I couldn't make it to parties in the early 90's. Oh, stop whining Ya see, I would have been about 13 and I didn't quite have a driver's liscence yet. Damn, I guess that's just another reason why I'm not down. If I would have realized that how you dress and how long you have been partying and where you buy your tables was all that mattered I would have just stayed home. See, I was under the impression that it was LOVE FOR THE MUSIC that counted. I always thought that even if you're wearing butterfly wings and ponytails it was cool. You would look stupid as hell but it's cool, so long as you LOVE THE MUSIC God damn, I am so glad someone finally opened my eyes. Whinge, whinge... Our man's point was that it's not about how you look or how long you've been around, it's how you present yourself. Too many up-and-coming DJ's/producers/promoters/partygoers walk around like they're the shit/god's gift to technohousedrumnbasstrancewhatever when they really have no clue as to what the hell they are talking about or listening/dancing to. Many of us who came up in the early days listened, observed, paid attention, respected the people who had been before us and learned about the music and the scene. Sadly, that's not always the case when you go to a rave these days. I am never going to another party ever, ever again. Grow up. pw
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Many of us who came up in the early days listened, observed, paid attention, respected the people who had been before us and learned about the music and the scene. Sadly, that's not always the case when you go to a rave these days. I have a feeling that there were just as many people, percentage wise, that acted the way some of the newcomers are. There are just a lot more people involved in the scene in one way or another now so number wise it probably appears that the are more idiots... There have always been idiots and there always will be. Just learn to ignore them. -Matty
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Yih guelph!! ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) i'm goin there to pick up a friend of mine tonight. Anyways, I agree. I can't beleive this is still an ongoing argument in here. Although I may be a hypocrite in some cases (i.e. my last tangent about Phryl parties in Toronto) it comes down to the fact that it's bound to happen. Get over it, and continue enjoying the music. Rich. On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:07:37 -0400 Matt Trinneer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many of us who came up in the early days listened, observed, paid attention, respected the people who had been before us and learned about the music and the scene. Sadly, that's not always the case when you go to a rave these days. I have a feeling that there were just as many people, percentage wise, that acted the way some of the newcomers are. There are just a lot more people involved in the scene in one way or another now so number wise it probably appears that the are more idiots... There have always been idiots and there always will be. Just learn to ignore them. -Matty - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Free Email, Anime News, and The Best Prices at http://AnimeNation.com
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- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 6:59 PM Subject: Re: (313) Rave betty Barbie and DJ Ken Many of us who came up in the early days listened, observed, paid attention, respected the people who had been before us and learned about the music and the scene. Sadly, that's not always the case when you go to a rave these days. I do think people look at the 'old days' with rose coloured specs. As I recall it has always been the case that there were people on the scene who were only in it for the most superficial reasons and who knew nothing about the music, from 1988 (when I first discovered the music) right through 'til now. Ross.
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In a message dated 4/14/00 10:40:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Go to a rave nowdayz and its just a bunch of kids with their baggy pants and baseball caps that are into trance-disco loops-progressive house-drumnbass, you dont see people that were into the scene in the early to mid 90's. That's because we are not 17 anymore. It's called life, careers, and maturity. I don't remember even paying attention to what people wore or categorizing the tracks. I just thought the speaker always looked place to be- and I always had good company.
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Oh, stop whining Didn't mean for it to come off in a whining tone but... anyway. it's how you present yourself. Good point, i agree. Many of us who came up in the early days listened, observed, paid attention, respected the people who had been before us and learned about the music and the scene. As do I, and a lot of my friends. I really do wish I could have experienced the scene when it was a little more pure. Unfortunately that's not a possibility. I love the music, so I put up with the shit and make the best of it. Yeah, the scene sucks now but people need to try not to generalize. Theres new school kids out there got the love as well.
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Jesus do we always have to have this whiny ass discussion. Let's make the distinction please as to the difference between the Rave scene and this mystical Utopian non-existant past that seems to fit so fondly in everyones mind. Raves and the trendy (it's a fashion and drug culture not a music culture stop deluding yourself-who the hell doesn't listen to music on drugs!)have, do, and will suck (opinions-assholes you know the cliche). The phenomena of the 80's in England where the Drug and Fashion culture that later becam raving wasn't based on the music from this list until several years after the Acid Houses Incantation. The Rave merely became a vehicle for Techno. Futuristic beats sound pretty cool on drugs no. As Dan Sicko pointed out most of the Artist you guys idolize on this list (jesus! they just make music) couldn't get heard anywhere and the rave was the only place to play the music of their lives. I'm personally glad that ferngully and re-disco are the only thing you can hear at a rave, I don't have to go to be annoyed with anyone. I can get my friends together throw an intimate 300 person party with great artist who ain't gettin booked at a rave cause they have talent and then I can have a genuine good time (not to mentioned we dress well). Every other week someone in New York, LA, or San Fran is posting about quality small techno events. It can be hard because of the fees that must be paid to the Detroit Artists who have been getting way more fame/respect/money in Europe and recently australia are so high. It would be nice if some of the artist would do some favors and come play for less than their Euro Cost. To build and maintain a lasting you have to maintain the core audience that will stick around. So if anyone knows any cool ass artist (the Burdens have offered) want to come out here hang out with some deprived Tech-heads and rock a small house party let me know. God I remember only 4 years ago seeing Claude Young Tag for 4 Hours with Mike Clark in a Basement in Lansing. Fuckin Quality. The kids are all wrong big deal but unless we snag a few of em an educate em about the history and tradition then there will be no more music being made (in case you havn't noticed some of the artists are like ballplayers gettin over the hill) and all you'll have are achives of this list. Goddamn Ravers Hans Punk Rock boy who likes the damn beats On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:36:31 -0400, Dann W wrote: Oh, stop whining Didn't mean for it to come off in a whining tone but... anyway. it's how you present yourself. Good point, i agree. Many of us who came up in the early days listened, observed, paid attention, respected the people who had been before us and learned about the music and the scene. As do I, and a lot of my friends. I really do wish I could have experienced the scene when it was a little more pure. Unfortunately that's not a possibility. I love the music, so I put up with the shit and make the best of it. Yeah, the scene sucks now but people need to try not to generalize. Theres new school kids out there got the love as well. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp
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I personally am less troubled by the presence of turntables in a barbie playset than by their presence in the band limp bizkit where they are used almost solely for the pop appeal of the urban image to market to mall children and to add a few needless and poorly placed scratches over a distorted guitar (btw that motherfucker hooks his rig up through a marshall stack which is just wrong...ugh). This is the commoditization of DJ culture. This is what will lead to more shit djs, increasing demand and prices for vinyl, more concern with style than music etc etc. that we all associate with commercialization. A DJ doll which probably won't sell because it's marketed to little girls who could give a fuck less is only a reflection of this larger problem (not that it isn't just sickenning, and thanks for posting that, it was quite amusing). The question is: Does the commoditization of DJ culture bother us because of the afforementioned reasons or because we are elitist jack offs who can't stand to see more people getting into in our music? I think most on this list would go with the former but we may give many people the wrong impression. Maybe if we act more elitist people will get turned off to the scene and we can have it all to ourselves! Just a thought, _joe (ps - before anyone flames me this is an attempt at humor. No sore feelings okay? peace)
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I WAS going to start reading your WAY too long response until I saw this: (it's a fashion and drug culture not a music culture stop deluding yourself-who the hell doesn't listen to music on drugs!) You're an idiot. Rich. Get Free Email, Anime News, and The Best Prices at http://AnimeNation.com
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I WAS going to start reading your WAY too long response until I saw this: (it's a fashion and drug culture not a music culture stop deluding yourself-who the hell doesn't listen to music on drugs!) You're an idiot. Rich. Get Free Email, Anime News, and The Best Prices at http://AnimeNation.com
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peter said: Many of us who came up in the early days listened, observed, paid attention, respected the people who had been before us and learned about the music and the scene. Sadly, that's not always the case when you go to a rave these days. favorite quote i heard the one and only time i went to buzz (now called sting): dude, do you know what a 4/4 beat is? what's a 4/4 beat? peace, holly
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I do think people look at the 'old days' with rose coloured specs. As I recall it has always been the case that there were people on the scene who were only in it for the most superficial reasons and who knew nothing about the music, from 1988 (when I first discovered the music) right through 'til now. How many househeads does it take to screw in a lightbulb? one to screw in the bulb and five to talk about how good it was back in the day... sorry guys..it's friday
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okay-so we have been sitting tight in CA watching all these comments float in and out of our mailbox concerning htis stupid toy- we think the least we should do is not give it so much credit. Wouldn't we rather see a toy than a complete rave enlightment on E! entertainment television? E! now has a couple of bimbos taking the cameras around to all the coolest places to buy your rave gear and interviews with rave promoters. If that isn't the worst, who knows what isat least ken can't really play the music-god knows what the Matel version of rave music would be...Trance aspirin for everyone..much luv..kat and missy
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oscillateX2 wrote God's name were they advertising? A DJ Ken doll!!! Complete with a turntable and mixer!!! snip As if all the DJ Wannabes from Oklahoma hanging around the Radisson pool at WMC with their stripper girlfriends and their home-burned mix CD's wasn't enough... tsk tsk on a lot of levels. *sigh* your whole post reads as elitist and I can't see that 313 is about that, though I wonder at times. It's about innovative electronic music and people have to start somewhere. I hope it's also about those tones healing people and a dream of a new world. So wot if it's a home burnt CD at least they are making music and trying. Stripping is decent money, the notion of a living wage is an anethema in the USA *spit* if you are talking about people more concerned with image than music, say it. *hmpmh* Emma mee-thod it's in the way that you groove it
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So wot if it's a home burnt CD at least they are making music and trying. Stripping is decent money, the notion of a living wage is an anethema in the USA *spit* if you are talking about people more concerned with image than music, say it. you need to chillLIKE WHOA?!?! occilate was just crackin a joke. 313 needs some comic relief every now and then and dj ken is pretty damn funny. as for the dj wannabe's at WMCi assumed he meant all these cheesy nubies catching on to the whole rave/dj craze especially blowin up the past 2 years. they prolly got no skills or originality, but they still manage to get get groupiescuz they look pretty cool when they lay down a fat trance record LOL. as for stripping.aint nuttin wrong with it i hear you on that one. hell i wish i had a stripper girlfriendmore free lap dances peace vidal __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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I totaly agree here, let's drop the egos that we have roaming around the list and loosen up... Emanuel On Wed, 12 Apr 2000, vidal vargas wrote: So wot if it's a home burnt CD at least they are making music and trying. Stripping is decent money, the notion of a living wage is an anethema in the USA *spit* if you are talking about people more concerned with image than music, say it. you need to chillLIKE WHOA?!?! occilate was just crackin a joke. 313 needs some comic relief every now and then and dj ken is pretty damn funny. as for the dj wannabe's at WMCi assumed he meant all these cheesy nubies catching on to the whole rave/dj craze especially blowin up the past 2 years. they prolly got no skills or originality, but they still manage to get get groupiescuz they look pretty cool when they lay down a fat trance record LOL. as for stripping.aint nuttin wrong with it i hear you on that one. hell i wish i had a stripper girlfriendmore free lap dances peace vidal __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) Rave betty Barbie and DJ Ken
Gee, thanks for the scolding, Miss Emma from Australia. Nice sentiment in the second paragraph, but why don't you save the pseudo-spiritual gobbledegook for someone who cares... I've earned my right to criticize. For the record, my sarcastic comment was based around 1) the acceleration of DJ/Turntable culture as a hot 'trend' in the US in particular (especially as evidenced in advertising - which is another topic altogether) and 2) my disdain for the proliferation of DJ's 'who don't know their place.' as evidenced at WMC this year. I find nothing wrong with someone wanting to learn to/be (a) DJ. Hell, my own girlfriend is learning to spin. Agreed, everyone starts somewhere. Nothing's wrong with the adult entertainment profession as long as you're cool with it (although its not for everyone). Nor is there anything wrong with making your own CD's or shopping your original demo. It's about how you present yourself. You couldn't walk around the (overly crowded) pool area this year and discreetly give a white label to anyone without being attacked by vinyl vultures. And the worst part was that when you didn't have anything in the genre of music that they played or you said no, they were offended and felt like because they were DJ Whothefuckever from 'Oklahoma' and they spin on a cable carrier college/internet radio station you owed them something. If all that makes me elitist, fine. I don't care. pw In a message dated 4/12/00 8:35:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: tsk tsk on a lot of levels. *sigh* your whole post reads as elitist and I can't see that 313 is about that, though I wonder at times. It's about innovative electronic music and people have to start somewhere. I hope it's also about those tones healing people and a dream of a new world. So wot if it's a home burnt CD at least they are making music and trying. Stripping is decent money, the notion of a living wage is an anethema in the USA *spit* if you are talking about people more concerned with image than music, say it. *hmpmh* Emma mee-thod it's in the way that you groove it
