(313) Axis - another limited edition....
Hi all, Last week I received the Axis newsletter. Apparently there is a new art-exhibition in Los Angeles coming up, Infinite Libraries, and Jeff Mills made 14 exclusive tracks for it, a CD called Galaxy. The thing is, only 5 of these CD's exist and they cost $ 160 US each. This makes me wonder... Axis has had quite a few in the past: the 7inch triple packs, the copper editions, The Ken Ishii and Ben Sims remixes and even that Axis-009 back in the day. What's the use with these limited editions any more, now with mp3's everywhere? W
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Maybe they can do a nice skin care range for the ladies who spend too much time in clubs. And a perfume would be nice... No! An Axis thong ain't right at all! they had a whole heap of art stuff there that you couldn't buy. disk union basically stocks the same merchandise as the submerge store and I worked out it was cheaper to buy from submerge yeah record bag would be cute, maybe some badges. I draw the line at axis/hello kitty underwear tho
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Cyclone Wehner wrote: Maybe they can do a nice skin care range for the ladies who spend too much time in clubs. And a perfume would be nice... No! An Axis thong ain't right at all! How's about a Southern Outpost one? http://www.cafepress.com/so612.5737450 :-P
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are you suggesting that the SO thong is 'right'? ;) -Original Message- From: David Gillies [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 24 June 2005 10:53 To: Cyclone Wehner Cc: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) Axis Wrist Sweat Bands Cyclone Wehner wrote: Maybe they can do a nice skin care range for the ladies who spend too much time in clubs. And a perfume would be nice... No! An Axis thong ain't right at all! How's about a Southern Outpost one? http://www.cafepress.com/so612.5737450 :-P ## Notice: The information contained in this electronic mail is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may be confidential and/or privileged. If you have received this electronic mail in error, please delete it from your system and kindly notify the sender. If you are not the intended recipient you must not reproduce any part of this electronic mail or disclose its contents to any other party. ##
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er yeah, it was a joke - you're supposed to laugh at it - sheesh MEK David Bate [EMAIL PROTECTED] thms.com To 06/22/05 12:08 PM cc 313@hyperreal.org Subject Re: (313) Axis Wrist Sweat Bands [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: shouldn't KMS be marketing the hoover - after all Kevin did invent it or are you saying that Metroplex sucks? ;) Kevin definitely did NOT invent the hoover. Talk to Roland. Who ever programmed that patch on the Alpha Juno series, is the one that invented it. Kevin's the one that made it famous initially but it definitely existed before Kevin got it. Cheers, Dave
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Man, why y'all so cynical (though you all make me laugh with the suggestions, esp Alex). I think it's a good thing to merchandise... Label owners need to be inventive to generate funds for labels with the drop in music sales and Axis is a cult label. -- From: David Bate [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) Axis Wrist Sweat Bands Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 3:08 AM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: shouldn't KMS be marketing the hoover - after all Kevin did invent it or are you saying that Metroplex sucks? ;) Kevin definitely did NOT invent the hoover. Talk to Roland. Who ever programmed that patch on the Alpha Juno series, is the one that invented it. Kevin's the one that made it famous initially but it definitely existed before Kevin got it. Cheers, Dave
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I think part of the reason why we're all so cynical is because axis is so serious about it? I wonder if him living in Japan plays any part of the influence in Axis merchandising. Japanese fans always get a wider range of merchandise and when I read their mags I just have to laugh at all the stuff that's 'exclusive to Japan' I read somewhere that ellen alien is going to launch her own fashion label... even tho her site already stocks some (expensive) clothing etc -Original Message- From: Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 23 June 2005 12:15 To: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) Axis Wrist Sweat Bands Man, why y'all so cynical (though you all make me laugh with the suggestions, esp Alex). I think it's a good thing to merchandise... Label owners need to be inventive to generate funds for labels with the drop in music sales and Axis is a cult label. -- From: David Bate [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) Axis Wrist Sweat Bands Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 3:08 AM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: shouldn't KMS be marketing the hoover - after all Kevin did invent it or are you saying that Metroplex sucks? ;) Kevin definitely did NOT invent the hoover. Talk to Roland. Who ever programmed that patch on the Alpha Juno series, is the one that invented it. Kevin's the one that made it famous initially but it definitely existed before Kevin got it. Cheers, Dave ## Notice: The information contained in this electronic mail is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may be confidential and/or privileged. If you have received this electronic mail in error, please delete it from your system and kindly notify the sender. If you are not the intended recipient you must not reproduce any part of this electronic mail or disclose its contents to any other party. ##
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-- Original Message -- From: Melody Ng [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think part of the reason why we're all so cynical is because axis is so serious about it? i like inventive mechandise. i always wanted a pair of those metalheadz shoes but they were crazy money due to the exchange rate. sweat bands are not my kind of thing, but i thought UR's bandanas were cool. im a big dork so i have tons of label shirts (for all genres, not just dance music!) and buttons and patches and whatnot. axis isnt even my favorite jeff mills stuff so im not that into their stuff but i still gotta say that jeff always finds ways to get people talking about him and his projects! tom andythepooh.com
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Maybe. Though I think Jeff has a gentle sense of humour... I don't think he has a residency in Japan, just plays there a lot. The Japanese market is amazing though. In one store in Shibuya there's a whole wall devoted to the Detroit fest. I would like an Axis Hello Kitty range though... with sweatbands. Kitty playing records with headphones. Could be cute. ;) I think part of the reason why we're all so cynical is because axis is so serious about it? I wonder if him living in Japan plays any part of the influence in Axis merchandising. Japanese fans always get a wider range of merchandise and when I read their mags I just have to laugh at all the stuff that's 'exclusive to Japan' I read somewhere that ellen alien is going to launch her own fashion label... even tho her site already stocks some (expensive) clothing etc
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isnt' that shibuya store disk union? there wans't THAT much stuff. of course maybe I was expecting a lot more ;) In hindsight I should have taken a picture of it but I was too busy buying records :P they already had a hello kitty mini ipod (and a doraemon one!) so why not have an axis hello kitty... special pink edition! -Original Message- From: Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 23 June 2005 12:51 To: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) Axis Wrist Sweat Bands Maybe. Though I think Jeff has a gentle sense of humour... I don't think he has a residency in Japan, just plays there a lot. The Japanese market is amazing though. In one store in Shibuya there's a whole wall devoted to the Detroit fest. I would like an Axis Hello Kitty range though... with sweatbands. Kitty playing records with headphones. Could be cute. ;) I think part of the reason why we're all so cynical is because axis is so serious about it? I wonder if him living in Japan plays any part of the influence in Axis merchandising. Japanese fans always get a wider range of merchandise and when I read their mags I just have to laugh at all the stuff that's 'exclusive to Japan' I read somewhere that ellen alien is going to launch her own fashion label... even tho her site already stocks some (expensive) clothing etc ## Notice: The information contained in this electronic mail is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may be confidential and/or privileged. If you have received this electronic mail in error, please delete it from your system and kindly notify the sender. If you are not the intended recipient you must not reproduce any part of this electronic mail or disclose its contents to any other party. ##
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Yeah it was Disk Union (thanks, I couldn't recall the name!) - there wasn't much maybe as I raided it first. ;) He he he. I want a Hello Kitty Axis record bag. And maybe a frisbee. isnt' that shibuya store disk union? there wans't THAT much stuff. of course maybe I was expecting a lot more ;) In hindsight I should have taken a picture of it but I was too busy buying records :P they already had a hello kitty mini ipod (and a doraemon one!) so why not have an axis hello kitty... special pink edition!
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they had a whole heap of art stuff there that you couldn't buy. disk union basically stocks the same merchandise as the submerge store and I worked out it was cheaper to buy from submerge yeah record bag would be cute, maybe some badges. I draw the line at axis/hello kitty underwear tho -Original Message- From: Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:10 To: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) Axis Wrist Sweat Bands Yeah it was Disk Union (thanks, I couldn't recall the name!) - there wasn't much maybe as I raided it first. ;) He he he. I want a Hello Kitty Axis record bag. And maybe a frisbee. isnt' that shibuya store disk union? there wans't THAT much stuff. of course maybe I was expecting a lot more ;) In hindsight I should have taken a picture of it but I was too busy buying records :P they already had a hello kitty mini ipod (and a doraemon one!) so why not have an axis hello kitty... special pink edition! ## Notice: The information contained in this electronic mail is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may be confidential and/or privileged. If you have received this electronic mail in error, please delete it from your system and kindly notify the sender. If you are not the intended recipient you must not reproduce any part of this electronic mail or disclose its contents to any other party. ##
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I draw the line at axis/hello kitty underwear tho Why? That's soo hot. Kamal K. Stoddard Turner Broadcasting Systems
(313) Axis Wrist Sweat Bands
http://www.axisrecords.com Is this going too far? # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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Is this going too far? definitely not. infact, this is just the beginning, I have a PD deal with ACME, and I shall be offering domestic techno products up soon. the KMS chopstick, Metroplex hoover, Underground Resistance Pink handbag, Delsin dance cage tennis racket are all things I will be looking into producing. If anyone is interested in a Transmat Fondue Set, please hit me up private as these will be extremely limited edition. Strictly first come first served. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 June 2005 11:24 the KMS chopstick, Metroplex hoover, Underground Resistance Pink handbag, Delsin dance cage tennis racket are all things I will be looking into producing. What about New Religion helmet (will help when promoters try and keep some semblance of order in their night or if suddenly pushed off stage by up tight visiting international artist)?
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Delsin dance cage tennis racket are all things I will be looking into producing. I think a little Marsel action figure with a gyrating cage dancing pelvis would be good too. Not that I in any way shape or form get your Marsel cage dancing gag, but it makes me laugh all the same. We had him over at a strip club in London and he didn't once take to the stage!
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hey dont tell people everything ! :-) Nomorewords.net http://nomorewords.net Bentinckstraat 66-2 1051 GN Amsterdam The Netherlands phn +31-64-499-2027 fax +31-20-486-9624 - Original Message - From: Stewart Caig [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 12:39 PM Subject: Re: (313) Axis Wrist Sweat Bands Delsin dance cage tennis racket are all things I will be looking into producing. I think a little Marsel action figure with a gyrating cage dancing pelvis would be good too. Not that I in any way shape or form get your Marsel cage dancing gag, but it makes me laugh all the same. We had him over at a strip club in London and he didn't once take to the stage!
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cool, but they're not the first. i remember having a sweat band for snitzer mc coy's we will rock you release on superstition. http://www.axisrecords.com Is this going too far?
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shouldn't KMS be marketing the hoover - after all Kevin did invent it or are you saying that Metroplex sucks? ;) MEK [EMAIL PROTECTED] com To 06/22/05 05:23 AM 313@hyperreal.org cc Subject Re: (313) Axis Wrist Sweat Bands Is this going too far? definitely not. infact, this is just the beginning, I have a PD deal with ACME, and I shall be offering domestic techno products up soon. the KMS chopstick, Metroplex hoover, Underground Resistance Pink handbag, Delsin dance cage tennis racket are all things I will be looking into producing. If anyone is interested in a Transmat Fondue Set, please hit me up private as these will be extremely limited edition. Strictly first come first served. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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if anyone is at the Mills gig tonight at Grant Park in Chicago, I'll be outside selling Axis POWER Lemonade for $5 a cup. Refueling the elements of energy we turn to the basic fruits of our vision for the future. On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 10:08:23AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: shouldn't KMS be marketing the hoover - after all Kevin did invent it or are you saying that Metroplex sucks? ;) MEK [EMAIL PROTECTED] com To 06/22/05 05:23 AM 313@hyperreal.org cc Subject Re: (313) Axis Wrist Sweat Bands Is this going too far? definitely not. infact, this is just the beginning, I have a PD deal with ACME, and I shall be offering domestic techno products up soon. the KMS chopstick, Metroplex hoover, Underground Resistance Pink handbag, Delsin dance cage tennis racket are all things I will be looking into producing. If anyone is interested in a Transmat Fondue Set, please hit me up private as these will be extremely limited edition. Strictly first come first served. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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Heh, Axis's Lemonade Stand raising money for Jeff Mills' nanotech immortality research. At 11:32 AM 6/22/2005, chad cumby wrote: if anyone is at the Mills gig tonight at Grant Park in Chicago, I'll be outside selling Axis POWER Lemonade for $5 a cup. -- /* Halley */ (Halley's comment.) matt kane's brain podcast | http://www.hydrogenproject.com | netradio | on-the-air [EMAIL PROTECTED] || AIM: mkbatwerk
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: shouldn't KMS be marketing the hoover - after all Kevin did invent it or are you saying that Metroplex sucks? ;) Kevin definitely did NOT invent the hoover. Talk to Roland. Who ever programmed that patch on the Alpha Juno series, is the one that invented it. Kevin's the one that made it famous initially but it definitely existed before Kevin got it. Cheers, Dave
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i almost bought the Axis tie at Sonar ... very classy ! they had some nice performance shirts aswell hehe -- Benoît. [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : cool, but they're not the first. i remember having a sweat band for snitzer mc coy's we will rock you release on superstition. http://www.axisrecords.com Is this going too far?
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If you think this is bad, you should see the merchandise table at a Laibach show. Every conceivable piece of male dress can be made an official Laibach item. $50 for a tie. $100 for fez. BUT you can get your Laibach passport stamped for free. At 03:44 PM 6/22/2005, Benoît Pueyo wrote: i almost bought the Axis tie at Sonar ... very classy ! they had some nice performance shirts aswell hehe -- Benoît. [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : cool, but they're not the first. i remember having a sweat band for snitzer mc coy's we will rock you release on superstition. http://www.axisrecords.com Is this going too far? -- /* Halley */ (Halley's comment.) matt kane's brain podcast | http://www.hydrogenproject.com | netradio | on-the-air [EMAIL PROTECTED] || AIM: mkbatwerk
(313) Axis merchandise
Marco in Eukatech Records(london)was telling me he was trying to sort out a deal with Mills to sell that stuff in the store, and I dont think it would sell. There's no chance I'd buy any of it from any shop, I'd be way too embarrassed. Cripes, its bad enough picking up my monthly copy of razzle. (I have to hide that behind a copy of the guardian) But, who buys it? You can't tell me 'it's the kids' surely? _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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i quite like it tbh, I mean why not? hold your head up high man and wear those sandals! :) Marco in Eukatech Records(london)was telling me he was trying to sort out a deal with Mills to sell that stuff in the store, and I dont think it would sell. There's no chance I'd buy any of it from any shop, I'd be way too embarrassed. Cripes, its bad enough picking up my monthly copy of razzle. (I have to hide that behind a copy of the guardian) But, who buys it? You can't tell me 'it's the kids' surely? _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) Axis Gold Edition
gold plated maybe - if it was all gold then it would weigh a ton (compared to vinyl) - so much so that it would probably slow down the motor of even a direct drive turntable plus gold is a soft metal and under heat it tends to bend- imagine the grooves would not hold up very well under the friction of a stylus. You'd probably get one play out of it if it was 100% gold. by the picture it looks like a metal master actually anyway - it's got all five tracks on one side which is going to reduce the fidelity (even if you did play it) I'm not impressed - it's a show piece MEK Mario Atienza [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], e.es 313@hyperreal.org cc: 07/11/04 06:17 PMSubject: (313) Axis Gold Edition Is really Gold ??? http://www.discogs.com/release/284936
(313) Axis Gold Edition
Is really Gold ??? http://www.discogs.com/release/284936
(313) Axis!
Hi, Was reading this http://www.littledetroit.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4200 anyone own these 7's? any good? only 25 of each! that must mean they're RARE! I like things that are rare. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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My mate Stew got 2 copies of each - I think he shared the wealth though -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 3:22 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Axis! Hi, Was reading this http://www.littledetroit.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4200 anyone own these 7's? any good? only 25 of each! that must mean they're RARE! I like things that are rare. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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I got them! : ) I would describe them as quite minimal, atmospheric ('spacey') - typical Mills style production. I liked them anyway. no, I don't want to sell them ; ) [EMAIL PROTECTED] com To: 313@hyperreal.org cc: 08/07/2004 16:22 Fax to: Subject: (313) Axis! Hi, Was reading this http://www.littledetroit.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4200 anyone own these 7's? any good? only 25 of each! that must mean they're RARE! I like things that are rare. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. __ __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. __
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I got them! : ) woo! *puts best usa voice on* wayy to gooo Gaaarry. so, erm, now you have these, whats the chances of you selling me that deepspace records 7 you got? ; ) I would describe them as quite minimal, atmospheric ('spacey') - typical Mills style production. nice. thanks! Alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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Haha! Can't help you there I'm afraid Alex. I must have got to that Axis shop at just the right time. There was hardly anyone in there when I walked in. 2 days later, the shop was so rammed that you couldn't get in! [EMAIL PROTECTED] com To: 313@hyperreal.org cc: 08/07/2004 16:40 Fax to: Subject: Re: (313) Axis! I got them! : ) woo! *puts best usa voice on* wayy to gooo Gaaarry. so, erm, now you have these, whats the chances of you selling me that deepspace records 7 you got? ; ) I would describe them as quite minimal, atmospheric ('spacey') - typical Mills style production. nice. thanks! Alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. __ __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. __
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On Jan 15, 2004, at 5:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt McQueen would know more about it... No offence to Matt, but I don;t think he really goes out to much in chicago. Atomly goes out every night0 so he would probably know better. ouch ;) Rumors of my death are greatly exaggerated. Truth be told (as weird as this is) I've gone out more in the last 2 years then when i first moved here from michigan about 7 years ago, when I was going to Detroit thangs regularly and was very spoiled with who I could see.. i admit.. (this was also when Jay Denham still lived in Kalamazoo so his parties had jaw-dropping all-techno lineups too). And I do bump into Mr. Atomly at a few gigs now and then around town, but the difference is he probably knows where all the afterparties are, and/or he's hosting them ;) I don't know why i feel the need to say this but as a kneejerk reaction: let's see recently saw DJ Harvey, saw the last Kompakt tour supported by Detalles, DJ Traxx many times, DJ Hell, Plaid here I think 3 times now, Derrick Carter many times, Ron Trent many times (twice at the Urban Sound Gallery loft on N. Broadway, RIP), Anthony Nicholson several times past and present, Osunlade, DJ Rush, Dan Bell at least twice, Dave Clarke, the Ghostly night in chicago with Danny Wang DJ+Theremin Ectomorph live PA twice and DJ once, the Techno nights at Empty Bottle that Israel Vines did DIY-style (years ago now), Magda at Slicks, Josh Werner Mani Marko's Gramaphone 'Techno Showcase' events (missed Peter Ford though, DANG), Metro Area twice (live DJ), Common Factor, Rob Hood, Theo Parrish, Rick Wilhite, G.U., Leroy Burgess live (!!), Derrick May a couple times, Carl Craig a few times (even back at Shelter too, RIP) and then again at Mad Bar (RIP), John Tejada (at Zentra, yikes), Cajmere a couple times, Dajae live, several of the 773 techno nights at that Irish bar on Belmont Western... random ILLmeasures various weeklies at Lava Lounge and Streetside, and of course the Meier brothers events like Kent originally mentioned... they brought James Ruskin over, Oliver Ho, etc. and many more little DIY things here and there. I freely admit to being inconsistent, but i DO go out here. :) Also I funded/organized/promoted an event here at Subterranean a couple years ago for a deFocus tour stop with CiM (live PA) Clair Focus from London and Clark Warner from Detroit, so I've seen that side of things too. But as for a regular, all hard or minimal techno night here in Chicago? Unlikely to happen unless it's small-ish and DIY.. so those come and go, but they're still around. I'm not always the first in line for it cause unless I think it's an exciting DJ (young or old) who can bring something fresh or unique to the table. I get bored much more quickly now, that's my own problem though, not Chicago's. So blah blah blah, I dove into radio as my way to contribute to the chicago scene... for what I like to spin I think it's probably more fitting that way anyway. The downside is being tied up every friday night for the last few years I tend to miss a lot of shows I might otherwise actually go to. BTW -- upcoming in Chicago the next few weeks: Morgan Geist at SmartBar again w/ Common Factor on Jan. 30th. And then at Empty Bottle on Feb. 5th: Monolake w/ supporting DJ's Matt Mercer Dave Siska... Wooo! OK WAIT -- How does all this get back to Jeff Mills you ask? [Get on with it ya old coot] Regarding Kent's assessment of Mills and Chicago, IMHO I agree with his theory that perhaps Chicago is a place he just blends in and does his business and chills out in relative anonymity. I've him DJ 5 or so times now , but never seen him in Chicago (except around town shopping a few times, doing the things everyone does quietly in their personal lives). Frankly it doesn't bother me, the scene here for techno is not anything one person like Mills can expected to put on his back and run up the mountain with, whether there is an army willing to follow him or not. It's up to everyone everywhere. That's how DIY gets better... I can see how he wouldn't feel connected to chicago techno scene (or whatever), that's his choice. He never was a part of the music scene in the city here (like Derrick Carter was, and who behaves oppositely) or the gigs or promoters here or connected in any of the ways he was in Detroit. I'm not apologizing for Mills, nor do I want to heap any more speculation on reasons why people behave they do (there's been enough of that already) but i'm just saying I can understand anyone's desire to stay outside of the fray here. The fray can suck. It's thankless. It's unappreciative. It's cracked-out and depressing sometimes. It's also rewarding and exciting and vibrant and inspiring... -- SOMETIMES. If any of you were in Jeff Mills shoes you could make that decision yourself, but we don't know what it TRULY feels like ..
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not meant to be a diss Matt. It was just someone who obviously doesn't know atomly dismissing his take on the chicago scene in favor of yours- probably just because they know you as the 'chicago expert' or something qually as foolish. and don't feel bad. atomly parties harder than everyone on this list put together (myself include these days- i'm afraid to admit) =) On Mon, 19 Jan 2004, Matt MacQueen wrote: On Jan 15, 2004, at 5:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt McQueen would know more about it... No offence to Matt, but I don;t think he really goes out to much in chicago. Atomly goes out every night0 so he would probably know better. ouch ;) Rumors of my death are greatly exaggerated. Truth be told (as weird as this is) I've gone out more in the last 2 years then when i first moved here from michigan about 7 years ago, when I was going to Detroit thangs regularly and was very spoiled with who I could see.. i admit.. (this was also when Jay Denham still lived in Kalamazoo so his parties had jaw-dropping all-techno lineups too). And I do bump into Mr. Atomly at a few gigs now and then around town, but the difference is he probably knows where all the afterparties are, and/or he's hosting them ;) I don't know why i feel the need to say this but as a kneejerk reaction: let's see recently saw DJ Harvey, saw the last Kompakt tour supported by Detalles, DJ Traxx many times, DJ Hell, Plaid here I think 3 times now, Derrick Carter many times, Ron Trent many times (twice at the Urban Sound Gallery loft on N. Broadway, RIP), Anthony Nicholson several times past and present, Osunlade, DJ Rush, Dan Bell at least twice, Dave Clarke, the Ghostly night in chicago with Danny Wang DJ+Theremin Ectomorph live PA twice and DJ once, the Techno nights at Empty Bottle that Israel Vines did DIY-style (years ago now), Magda at Slicks, Josh Werner Mani Marko's Gramaphone 'Techno Showcase' events (missed Peter Ford though, DANG), Metro Area twice (live DJ), Common Factor, Rob Hood, Theo Parrish, Rick Wilhite, G.U., Leroy Burgess live (!!), Derrick May a couple times, Carl Craig a few times (even back at Shelter too, RIP) and then again at Mad Bar (RIP), John Tejada (at Zentra, yikes), Cajmere a couple times, Dajae live, several of the 773 techno nights at that Irish bar on Belmont Western... random ILLmeasures various weeklies at Lava Lounge and Streetside, and of course the Meier brothers events like Kent originally mentioned... they brought James Ruskin over, Oliver Ho, etc. and many more little DIY things here and there. I freely admit to being inconsistent, but i DO go out here. :) Also I funded/organized/promoted an event here at Subterranean a couple years ago for a deFocus tour stop with CiM (live PA) Clair Focus from London and Clark Warner from Detroit, so I've seen that side of things too. But as for a regular, all hard or minimal techno night here in Chicago? Unlikely to happen unless it's small-ish and DIY.. so those come and go, but they're still around. I'm not always the first in line for it cause unless I think it's an exciting DJ (young or old) who can bring something fresh or unique to the table. I get bored much more quickly now, that's my own problem though, not Chicago's. So blah blah blah, I dove into radio as my way to contribute to the chicago scene... for what I like to spin I think it's probably more fitting that way anyway. The downside is being tied up every friday night for the last few years I tend to miss a lot of shows I might otherwise actually go to. BTW -- upcoming in Chicago the next few weeks: Morgan Geist at SmartBar again w/ Common Factor on Jan. 30th. And then at Empty Bottle on Feb. 5th: Monolake w/ supporting DJ's Matt Mercer Dave Siska... Wooo! OK WAIT -- How does all this get back to Jeff Mills you ask? [Get on with it ya old coot] Regarding Kent's assessment of Mills and Chicago, IMHO I agree with his theory that perhaps Chicago is a place he just blends in and does his business and chills out in relative anonymity. I've him DJ 5 or so times now , but never seen him in Chicago (except around town shopping a few times, doing the things everyone does quietly in their personal lives). Frankly it doesn't bother me, the scene here for techno is not anything one person like Mills can expected to put on his back and run up the mountain with, whether there is an army willing to follow him or not. It's up to everyone everywhere. That's how DIY gets better... I can see how he wouldn't feel connected to chicago techno scene (or whatever), that's his choice. He never was a part of the music scene in the city here (like Derrick Carter was, and who behaves oppositely) or the gigs or promoters here or connected in any of the ways he was in Detroit. I'm not apologizing for Mills, nor do I want to heap any more speculation on reasons why people behave they do (there's
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i think we're all better off with Mills not representing the American techno community. He had what is probably the largest public forum for techno in America (Hart Plaza) and his set was mediocre at best. On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] the only belief i espoused is that no one here has the right to condem the man...i don't even know him, or buy his music, but damn does he really owe anyone to play in whatever city he lives in I've been watching from the sidelines, but wanted to comment on what atomly and a few others touched on. Mills, Derrick Carter, UR or any other artist are not obligated to do anything for the community, but some artists do show interest in keeping their community alive and some don't. In a music community that is struggling to stay afloat, the locals personally involved in the community (record shops, promoters, local djs, music lovers, etc) are obviously going to take note of who is helping out. Nobody can speak for Mills' personal reasons for not djing in the US, but it is more than that, it is his actions that show no desire to mend whatever problems kept him from djing here, and no desire to keep in touch with the issues affecting the changing face of the local scene. Until he proves otherwise, it would be hard not to judge him as such. Nobody is saying he is obligated to do anything- but by choosing to ignore the local scene, regardless of the reason, he is bound to receive criticism - and the fact that he does not openly discuss his reasons leaves even more room for criticism.. As mentioned, UR is a good example of a successful techno-outfit from the early days that has NOT forgotten the value of the community, despite the decline of the stateside techno scene. After the move to the new building they set up facilities for community workshops, a new website/discussion boards, still doing local shows on a regular basis, and still very vocal in the ongoing community dialogue. These actions speak loudly to locals. I don't think Mills owes anybody anything, but knowing the state of the Detroit and Chicago techno scenes, and knowing how apathetic the rest of the music community is to the struggling techno community- you can see where the techno community gets frustrated with the lack of support, not just from Mills, but from any number of sources. Not saying he should dj 'x' amont of times per year, or make specific public appearances, but any actions that show a general concern are appreciated. So many american artists/djs see that americans are not into dance culture, and instead of trying to address that issue locally, they just pack their flight-case and head off to Europe. Meanwhile, the other 99% of the community who cannot afford to follow along are stuck trying to keep the local scene afloat. I don't think many people hate Mills over this, but it is a sensitive issue for locals and frustrations are occasionally vented when the issue comes up. peace, p - Original Message - From: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 7:53 PM Subject: Re: (313) axis the man lives in chicago and people dont see him there doing what he's love for. if you cant understand that, maybe sit back and try ot open your mind and at least see things from the perspective of another instead of brow-beating them into taking on your own beliefs. how do you know these people wouldnt say it to his face? I know lots of people I'd go off on in person given the chance :) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:51 PM Subject: Re: (313) axis why don't people attack jeff when they meet him in person instead of kiss a** - Original Message - From: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 6:17 PM Subject: Re: (313) axis why dont you calm down and let people speak their opinion without attacking them. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:32 PM Subject: Re: (313) axis From: atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jeff Mills hasn't played in Chicago since 1993? despite livinghere for years. I think artists/musicians/whatever have a responsibility to their community beyond just releasing records-- art is not created inside some sort of a vacuum. hold up hold up...was that you i saw chillin over at ida b wells...oh wait maybe that was cabrini green...i'm getting older i forget...maybe somewhere over on the west side
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hahahahaha -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 January 2004 11:33 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; /0; 313@hyperreal.org; atomly Subject: RE: (313) axis embarrassed for him for crashing mixes and distroting the system. embarrassed for the mindless people who didn't seem to notice. embarrassed for my friends who got wasted just to enjoy themselves (once it was clear the music wouldn't do) embarrassed for the out-of-towners who travelled miles for something special embarrassed for the soundguy who wasn't 'allowed' to make the most obvious technical corrections to the mixer that Mills had jacked embarrassed for this culture for continuing to hold up someone who so clearly doesn't deserve it anymore embarrassed for myself for never learning my lesson and continuing to bother fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me, fool me three times... On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) wrote: Embarassed about what? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 January 2004 11:43 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: /0; 313@hyperreal.org; atomly Subject: Re: (313) axis having been disappointed (borderline embarrased) the last 3 times I've seen mills- i don't think you could pay me to leave the house and go see him. maybe if i was already there... or if everyoen i know was going, making it more of a social thing. On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess its his choice exactly. I still would pay 15 bux to go see him as would I I think too many people expect too much from him or come to his shows with expectations of what a Jeff Mills show is and then when he doesn't deliver their preconceived notion they get in his face. I know it's happened because he's mentioned it on his discussion board. I don't think Detroit is under him - possibly he thinks it's behind him, as in his past. Maybe there's bad memories - who the f*ck but Jeff Mills and those whom he's told really know so people should just let the man be and go see him where he *does* play. and the high price on the limited 3x12 - well maybe he figures he has to make his money NOW because maybe he figures who ever is going to buy it will upload it to soulseek or what ever file share they are using and then everyone will have it for free. MEK /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] mi.net cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) axis 01/14/04 05:20 PM its his loss at this point. maybe he's afraid he cant compete with the new talents coming out of detroit now. maybe detroits under him. I guess its his choice, theres more gig opportunity than there is mills to go around even tho he still plays the same records as 3 years ago, I still would pay 15 bux to go see him if he could stomach a night in detroit :) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 5:49 PM Subject: Re: (313) axis Well isn't that a pompous response? No - it wasn't pompous, it was sarcastic. Crack a dictionary. Do you know when the last time Jeff Mills was hired to play in Chicago? Or the last time he was offered to play there? Just because he's from Detroit or lives in Chicago doesn't obligate him to play there - I could imagine that there *could* exist for him many personal issues with people in Detroit (or Chicago) that would cause him to say to himself - you know, self, I'd only go back to Detroit if I was given a million dollars I think artists/musicians/whatever have a responsibility to their community beyond just releasing records-- As several people have stated - Jeff does give back to his community - he just doesn't do it in the public eye for loads of attention or to get the ok from people like yourself. It's called being humble. but instead is essentially plundering and pilfering whatever he can from the apparently willing fans. I'd still like to know what you think you are personally being robbed of. You've seen him at a bar - are you pissed because he's relaxing instead of DJing? I've known many DJs and artists who live in Minneapolis but don't play here. They prefer to play in Europe or other cities because they get a better response and they like to keep the city they live in as a sort of quiet retreat from where they perform. makes sense to me MEK atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org m
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It's hard to imagine Mills being that bad. I would say don't give up, give him another chance if you get the opportunity. If you catch him on the right night he'll blow you away with his mixing. I've experienced myself at both Lost Sonar. You don't get a reputation like Mills has for mixing badly distorting systems everywhere you go. Risk being a fool once more ;o) Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED], Blackman, Ryan ch.eu.com (UKEKT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED], 16/01/2004 09:01313@hyperreal.org, atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax to: Subject: RE: (313) axis hahahahaha -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 January 2004 11:33 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; /0; 313@hyperreal.org; atomly Subject: RE: (313) axis embarrassed for him for crashing mixes and distroting the system. embarrassed for the mindless people who didn't seem to notice. embarrassed for my friends who got wasted just to enjoy themselves (once it was clear the music wouldn't do) embarrassed for the out-of-towners who travelled miles for something special embarrassed for the soundguy who wasn't 'allowed' to make the most obvious technical corrections to the mixer that Mills had jacked embarrassed for this culture for continuing to hold up someone who so clearly doesn't deserve it anymore embarrassed for myself for never learning my lesson and continuing to bother fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me, fool me three times... On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) wrote: Embarassed about what? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 January 2004 11:43 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: /0; 313@hyperreal.org; atomly Subject: Re: (313) axis having been disappointed (borderline embarrased) the last 3 times I've seen mills- i don't think you could pay me to leave the house and go see him. maybe if i was already there... or if everyoen i know was going, making it more of a social thing. On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess its his choice exactly. I still would pay 15 bux to go see him as would I I think too many people expect too much from him or come to his shows with expectations of what a Jeff Mills show is and then when he doesn't deliver their preconceived notion they get in his face. I know it's happened because he's mentioned it on his discussion board. I don't think Detroit is under him - possibly he thinks it's behind him, as in his past. Maybe there's bad memories - who the f*ck but Jeff Mills and those whom he's told really know so people should just let the man be and go see him where he *does* play. and the high price on the limited 3x12 - well maybe he figures he has to make his money NOW because maybe he figures who ever is going to buy it will upload it to soulseek or what ever file share they are using and then everyone will have it for free. MEK /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] mi.net cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) axis 01/14/04 05:20 PM its his loss at this point. maybe he's afraid he cant compete with the new talents coming out of detroit now. maybe detroits under him. I guess its his choice, theres more gig opportunity than there is mills to go around even tho he still plays the same records as 3 years ago, I still would pay 15 bux to go see him if he could stomach a night in detroit :) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 5:49 PM Subject: Re: (313) axis Well isn't that a pompous response? No - it wasn't pompous, it was sarcastic. Crack a dictionary. Do you know when the last time Jeff Mills was hired to play in Chicago
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do not intend to get into this rather interesting debate on good/bad Mills, just want to mention that I bought all three ep's without proper listen and paid EUR 9.50 before VAT reduction (13.89 %). So it is less than 6 pounds per EP. Yeah, no promotion but this was at Hard Wax, Germany. Believe me or not - I am not pissed Peace mislav -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 5:10 PM To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) Cc: 313@hyperreal.org; atomly; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; /0; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: (313) axis It's hard to imagine Mills being that bad. I would say don't give up, give him another chance if you get the opportunity. If you catch him on the right night he'll blow you away with his mixing. I've experienced myself at both Lost Sonar. You don't get a reputation like Mills has for mixing badly distorting systems everywhere you go. Risk being a fool once more ;o) Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED], Blackman, Ryan ch.eu.com (UKEKT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED], 16/01/2004 09:01313@hyperreal.org, atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax to: Subject: RE: (313) axis hahahahaha -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 January 2004 11:33 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; /0; 313@hyperreal.org; atomly Subject: RE: (313) axis embarrassed for him for crashing mixes and distroting the system. embarrassed for the mindless people who didn't seem to notice. embarrassed for my friends who got wasted just to enjoy themselves (once it was clear the music wouldn't do) embarrassed for the out-of-towners who travelled miles for something special embarrassed for the soundguy who wasn't 'allowed' to make the most obvious technical corrections to the mixer that Mills had jacked embarrassed for this culture for continuing to hold up someone who so clearly doesn't deserve it anymore embarrassed for myself for never learning my lesson and continuing to bother fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me, fool me three times... On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) wrote: Embarassed about what? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 January 2004 11:43 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: /0; 313@hyperreal.org; atomly Subject: Re: (313) axis having been disappointed (borderline embarrased) the last 3 times I've seen mills- i don't think you could pay me to leave the house and go see him. maybe if i was already there... or if everyoen i know was going, making it more of a social thing. On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess its his choice exactly. I still would pay 15 bux to go see him as would I I think too many people expect too much from him or come to his shows with expectations of what a Jeff Mills show is and then when he doesn't deliver their preconceived notion they get in his face. I know it's happened because he's mentioned it on his discussion board. I don't think Detroit is under him - possibly he thinks it's behind him, as in his past. Maybe there's bad memories - who the f*ck but Jeff Mills and those whom he's told really know so people should just let the man be and go see him where he *does* play. and the high price on the limited 3x12 - well maybe he figures he has to make his money NOW because maybe he figures who ever is going to buy it will upload it to soulseek or what ever file share they are using and then everyone will have it for free. MEK /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] mi.net cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) axis 01/14/04 05:20 PM its his loss at this point. maybe he's afraid he cant compete with the new talents coming out of detroit now. maybe detroits under him. I guess its his choice, theres more gig opportunity than there is mills to go around even tho he still plays the same records as 3 years ago, I still would pay 15 bux to go see him if he could stomach a night in detroit :) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 5:49 PM Subject: Re: (313) axis
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I can say that he has definitely blown me away on more than one occasion, and in the past has given me some of my most memorable nights out - the Axis party at Lost at the Arches being possibly the #1. But he has also dissapointed me and bored me on others occasions, and recently the bad gigs far outweigh the good. (i actually really enjoy his loose mixing, I think it can be a lot funkier than someone who's totally slick every time - but the heavy distortion he pumps through the mixers is really irritating) And to be quite honest I'm totally sick of hearing exactly the same records EVERY SINGLE SET, especially with the wealth of fresh talent out there. To me it has the same effect as radio stations churning out a good song repeatedly until you start to hate it. I don't mean to come across as slagging him off, I think he's an incredibly talented musician, and I owe him a lot of inspiration. I just think there are people around now who are pushing the boundaries far more, and deserve equal attention and recognition. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) Cc: 313@hyperreal.org ; atomly ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; /0 ; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) ; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: RE: (313) axis It's hard to imagine Mills being that bad. I would say don't give up, give him another chance if you get the opportunity. If you catch him on the right night he'll blow you away with his mixing. I've experienced myself at both Lost Sonar. You don't get a reputation like Mills has for mixing badly distorting systems everywhere you go. Risk being a fool once more ;o) Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED], Blackman, Ryan ch.eu.com (UKEKT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED], 16/01/2004 09:01313@hyperreal.org, atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax to: Subject: RE: (313) axis hahahahaha -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 January 2004 11:33 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; /0; 313@hyperreal.org; atomly Subject: RE: (313) axis embarrassed for him for crashing mixes and distroting the system. embarrassed for the mindless people who didn't seem to notice. embarrassed for my friends who got wasted just to enjoy themselves (once it was clear the music wouldn't do) embarrassed for the out-of-towners who travelled miles for something special embarrassed for the soundguy who wasn't 'allowed' to make the most obvious technical corrections to the mixer that Mills had jacked embarrassed for this culture for continuing to hold up someone who so clearly doesn't deserve it anymore embarrassed for myself for never learning my lesson and continuing to bother fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me, fool me three times... On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) wrote: Embarassed about what? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 January 2004 11:43 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: /0; 313@hyperreal.org; atomly Subject: Re: (313) axis having been disappointed (borderline embarrased) the last 3 times I've seen mills- i don't think you could pay me to leave the house and go see him. maybe if i was already there... or if everyoen i know was going, making it more of a social thing. On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess its his choice exactly. I still would pay 15 bux to go see him as would I I think too many people expect too much from him or come to his shows with expectations of what a Jeff Mills show is and then when he doesn't deliver their preconceived notion they get in his face. I know it's happened because he's mentioned it on his discussion board. I don't think Detroit is under him - possibly he thinks it's behind him, as in his past. Maybe there's bad memories - who the f*ck but Jeff Mills and those whom he's told really know so people should just let the man be and go see him where he *does* play. and the high price on the limited 3x12 - well maybe he figures he has to make his money NOW because maybe he figures who ever is going to buy it will upload it to soulseek or what ever file share they are using and then everyone will have it for free. MEK /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] mi.net cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) axis 01/14/04 05:20 PM its his
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I disagree that he plays the same records every set, if you were at Heaven in May 03' you would know this is not the case!!! -Original Message- From: Matt Chester [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 January 2004 9:30 To: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) axis I can say that he has definitely blown me away on more than one occasion, and in the past has given me some of my most memorable nights out - the Axis party at Lost at the Arches being possibly the #1. But he has also dissapointed me and bored me on others occasions, and recently the bad gigs far outweigh the good. (i actually really enjoy his loose mixing, I think it can be a lot funkier than someone who's totally slick every time - but the heavy distortion he pumps through the mixers is really irritating) And to be quite honest I'm totally sick of hearing exactly the same records EVERY SINGLE SET, especially with the wealth of fresh talent out there. To me it has the same effect as radio stations churning out a good song repeatedly until you start to hate it. I don't mean to come across as slagging him off, I think he's an incredibly talented musician, and I owe him a lot of inspiration. I just think there are people around now who are pushing the boundaries far more, and deserve equal attention and recognition. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) Cc: 313@hyperreal.org ; atomly ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; /0 ; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) ; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: RE: (313) axis It's hard to imagine Mills being that bad. I would say don't give up, give him another chance if you get the opportunity. If you catch him on the right night he'll blow you away with his mixing. I've experienced myself at both Lost Sonar. You don't get a reputation like Mills has for mixing badly distorting systems everywhere you go. Risk being a fool once more ;o) Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED], Blackman, Ryan ch.eu.com (UKEKT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED], 16/01/2004 09:01313@hyperreal.org, atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax to: Subject: RE: (313) axis hahahahaha -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 January 2004 11:33 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; /0; 313@hyperreal.org; atomly Subject: RE: (313) axis embarrassed for him for crashing mixes and distroting the system. embarrassed for the mindless people who didn't seem to notice. embarrassed for my friends who got wasted just to enjoy themselves (once it was clear the music wouldn't do) embarrassed for the out-of-towners who travelled miles for something special embarrassed for the soundguy who wasn't 'allowed' to make the most obvious technical corrections to the mixer that Mills had jacked embarrassed for this culture for continuing to hold up someone who so clearly doesn't deserve it anymore embarrassed for myself for never learning my lesson and continuing to bother fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me, fool me three times... On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) wrote: Embarassed about what? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 January 2004 11:43 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: /0; 313@hyperreal.org; atomly Subject: Re: (313) axis having been disappointed (borderline embarrased) the last 3 times I've seen mills- i don't think you could pay me to leave the house and go see him. maybe if i was already there... or if everyoen i know was going, making it more of a social thing. On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess its his choice exactly. I still would pay 15 bux to go see him as would I I think too many people expect too much from him or come to his shows with expectations of what a Jeff Mills show is and then when he doesn't deliver their preconceived notion they get in his face. I know it's happened because he's mentioned it on his discussion board. I don't think Detroit is under him - possibly he thinks it's behind him, as in his past. Maybe there's bad memories - who the f*ck but Jeff Mills and those whom he's told really know so people should just let the man be and go see him where he *does* play. and the high price on the limited 3x12 - well maybe he figures he has to make his money NOW because maybe he figures who ever is going to buy it will upload it to soulseek or what ever file share they are using and then everyone will have it for free. MEK /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED
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We all have our bad days, even a superstart like mills does. To the point that mills no longer plays in the USA, I have seen him 3 (maybe 4?) times in the last year and a half at arc, a club here in nyc. He has established a good working relationship with nick, the manager of the club, and continues to come back. He is treated with the uptmost respect and courtesy.. From being picked up at the airport to stocking the fridge in the dj booth with his favorite juices. A man his stature desserves this attention, maybe he doesn't get this elsewhere in the USA? Regardless, last time he was here in NYC, a few months ago, he was amazing and played for almost 5 hours. Too bad there were only about 4-500 people there to enjoy it. -P -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 7:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) axis i think we're all better off with Mills not representing the American techno community. He had what is probably the largest public forum for techno in America (Hart Plaza) and his set was mediocre at best. On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] the only belief i espoused is that no one here has the right to condem the man...i don't even know him, or buy his music, but damn does he really owe anyone to play in whatever city he lives in I've been watching from the sidelines, but wanted to comment on what atomly and a few others touched on. Mills, Derrick Carter, UR or any other artist are not obligated to do anything for the community, but some artists do show interest in keeping their community alive and some don't. In a music community that is struggling to stay afloat, the locals personally involved in the community (record shops, promoters, local djs, music lovers, etc) are obviously going to take note of who is helping out. Nobody can speak for Mills' personal reasons for not djing in the US, but it is more than that, it is his actions that show no desire to mend whatever problems kept him from djing here, and no desire to keep in touch with the issues affecting the changing face of the local scene. Until he proves otherwise, it would be hard not to judge him as such. Nobody is saying he is obligated to do anything- but by choosing to ignore the local scene, regardless of the reason, he is bound to receive criticism - and the fact that he does not openly discuss his reasons leaves even more room for criticism.. As mentioned, UR is a good example of a successful techno-outfit from the early days that has NOT forgotten the value of the community, despite the decline of the stateside techno scene. After the move to the new building they set up facilities for community workshops, a new website/discussion boards, still doing local shows on a regular basis, and still very vocal in the ongoing community dialogue. These actions speak loudly to locals. I don't think Mills owes anybody anything, but knowing the state of the Detroit and Chicago techno scenes, and knowing how apathetic the rest of the music community is to the struggling techno community- you can see where the techno community gets frustrated with the lack of support, not just from Mills, but from any number of sources. Not saying he should dj 'x' amont of times per year, or make specific public appearances, but any actions that show a general concern are appreciated. So many american artists/djs see that americans are not into dance culture, and instead of trying to address that issue locally, they just pack their flight-case and head off to Europe. Meanwhile, the other 99% of the community who cannot afford to follow along are stuck trying to keep the local scene afloat. I don't think many people hate Mills over this, but it is a sensitive issue for locals and frustrations are occasionally vented when the issue comes up. peace, p - Original Message - From: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 7:53 PM Subject: Re: (313) axis the man lives in chicago and people dont see him there doing what he's love for. if you cant understand that, maybe sit back and try ot open your mind and at least see things from the perspective of another instead of brow-beating them into taking on your own beliefs. how do you know these people wouldnt say it to his face? I know lots of people I'd go off on in person given the chance :) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:51 PM Subject: Re: (313) axis why don't people attack jeff when they meet him in person instead of kiss a** - Original Message - From: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED
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PG Regardless, last time he was here in NYC, a few months ago, he was amazing and played for almost 5 hours. Too bad there were only about 4-500 people there to enjoy it. Better those 500 than the 1000 idiots that usually show up... The vibe and the music were on another level that night.
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Hi KJ, I'd really like to hear what he is doing for the community. While I agree wiuth the fact that there is no law out there that says he has to do anything, I would really like to know what the perception is as to what he is doing (a lot of). The argument that he has more overhead than others so has to charge more, is insane to say the least. Maybe smaller labels are not doing adverts in full color in magazines, but they are doing way more for this community at this point by providing variety. I wonder what Jeff and Mad Mike would have thought of someone charging this much for a record 10 years ago. Do you think he is helping or supporting this community in any way by doing so? If yes, then buy 10 copies. My standing argument that I have discussed with many people on and off this list is that these same originators, or whatever you may call them, are where they are because of many of your hard earned dollars. While this in no way makes him beholding to his fans, many of the ideologies that have been spewed about what techno is really about have been overshadowed by capitalism. No one is saying that he should not make any money. That's great! Everyone should be so lucky. But what if he and others in his position could take it further than that! Galvanize this community through festivals (lukewarm overall), seminars, clubs (gasp!), and the development of new players in the game. There is so much more that could have been done by him and others to truly place them on a pedestal, which many people here have done. One expects more from icons. If he's trying to make a difference, them I'm smoking crack. There are thousands of producers out there trying to make a difference at this stage. This verbage is tired when not followed by action worthy of support. In any other industry, as stated in the email below, someone of his stature would have more control of the final price of his product. I guarantee that if he was against the selling of his product for this price, he could blacklist some distributors without blinking an eye. That, again, would be something admirable to see. I, for one, won't be holding my breath. The only way to deal with this situation is to leave your cash in you wallet or purse. If you don't want too, that's fine, but just remember how much you paid for this record when the next one is even higher. If I were a Mills fan that wanted to buy everything he ever did, I would consider this a slap in the face. That's my opinion... The following statement is the most refreshing one I have seen on here in a long time: Atomly wrote: I think artists/musicians/whatever have a responsibility to their community beyond just releasing records-- art is not created inside some sort of a vacuum. You may disagree with me, and that's fine, but that's how I feel and that influences how and where I spend my money. I think that Jeff Mills has a certain responsibility to help foster the American electronic music scene being that he is an electronic musician from the United States. It's like he took what he needed from Detroit/Chicago and then just turned his back on them. It's not like he invented techno, despite what some of you may think, but rather was introduced to a fertile art scene and is not acting to maintain that scene at all but instead is essentially plundering and pilfering whatever he can from the apparently willing fans. Kudos to you for the above. Many people here think this is a negative statement, but it is true of so many people other than Jeff Mills. Anybody is capable of saving a life, Badi. If I have to wait around for him to do it, I'd be dead. :) I don't dislike him Jeff as a person, but I think a lot of moral flexibility has been given to these icons in this community. This has become a class/caste system in the worst sense. If any one of 100 other producers in Detroit would come out with a record at this price, you all would die of laughter. But I guess him spending x hours in the studio is infintely more valuable, and the price has been passed along to you, the consumer. Hmm, I wonder if it sounds better to your ears the more expensive a record is.. Peace, Alex atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/14/2004 03:43 PM To 313@hyperreal.org cc Subject Re: (313) axis [kj at technotourist dot org [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Yes this is a statement, Jeff Mills invests a lot of his money back into Detroit and to help the people who need it. He is doing a lot for the community! He sure hasn't done much for Chicago, having lived here for years. I see him hang out at the bar when Derrick May or Cisco Ferreira plays here and that's about it. The man could singlehandedly redefine the American techno scene but won't because he's too full of himself to care. Also keep in mind that after he drops the records at the distributors he kinda looses control about the price. A lot of shops want to cash in on limited edition Axis records
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From: atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jeff Mills hasn't played in Chicago since 1993? despite living here for years. I think artists/musicians/whatever have a responsibility to their community beyond just releasing records-- art is not created inside some sort of a vacuum. hold up hold up...was that you i saw chillin over at ida b wells...oh wait maybe that was cabrini green...i'm getting older i forget...maybe somewhere over on the west side... what community are you from? what responsibility does he have to you? I think that Jeff Mills has a certain responsibility to help foster the American electronic music scene being that he is an electronic musician from the United States. o...now i see...b*tched lover.! yeah baby...let that envy shine through...huh...yeah, now rub a lil o that ignorance in thereyup... now you beautiful you wanna talk about the price of the records that's fair...condeming him as a person is going too far...
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alex, on this point... There are thousands of producers out there trying to make a difference at this stage. i would stand shoulder to shoulder with you and wage battle against nearly all of them (you know who i mean) but...i feel the price is a different point... | |b)
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he might have to save your life one day... hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah! bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe. ouch wake up!
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why dont you calm down and let people speak their opinion without attacking them. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:32 PM Subject: Re: (313) axis From: atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jeff Mills hasn't played in Chicago since 1993? despite living here for years. I think artists/musicians/whatever have a responsibility to their community beyond just releasing records-- art is not created inside some sort of a vacuum. hold up hold up...was that you i saw chillin over at ida b wells...oh wait maybe that was cabrini green...i'm getting older i forget...maybe somewhere over on the west side... what community are you from? what responsibility does he have to you? I think that Jeff Mills has a certain responsibility to help foster the American electronic music scene being that he is an electronic musician from the United States. o...now i see...b*tched lover.! yeah baby...let that envy shine through...huh...yeah, now rub a lil o that ignorance in thereyup... now you beautiful you wanna talk about the price of the records that's fair...condeming him as a person is going too far...
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why don't people attack jeff when they meet him in person instead of kiss a** - Original Message - From: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 6:17 PM Subject: Re: (313) axis why dont you calm down and let people speak their opinion without attacking them. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:32 PM Subject: Re: (313) axis From: atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jeff Mills hasn't played in Chicago since 1993? despite living here for years. I think artists/musicians/whatever have a responsibility to their community beyond just releasing records-- art is not created inside some sort of a vacuum. hold up hold up...was that you i saw chillin over at ida b wells...oh wait maybe that was cabrini green...i'm getting older i forget...maybe somewhere over on the west side... what community are you from? what responsibility does he have to you? I think that Jeff Mills has a certain responsibility to help foster the American electronic music scene being that he is an electronic musician from the United States. o...now i see...b*tched lover.! yeah baby...let that envy shine through...huh...yeah, now rub a lil o that ignorance in thereyup... now you beautiful you wanna talk about the price of the records that's fair...condeming him as a person is going too far...
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um. done that. On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why don't people attack jeff when they meet him in person instead of kiss a** - Original Message - From: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 6:17 PM Subject: Re: (313) axis why dont you calm down and let people speak their opinion without attacking them. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:32 PM Subject: Re: (313) axis From: atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jeff Mills hasn't played in Chicago since 1993? despite living here for years. I think artists/musicians/whatever have a responsibility to their community beyond just releasing records-- art is not created inside some sort of a vacuum. hold up hold up...was that you i saw chillin over at ida b wells...oh wait maybe that was cabrini green...i'm getting older i forget...maybe somewhere over on the west side... what community are you from? what responsibility does he have to you? I think that Jeff Mills has a certain responsibility to help foster the American electronic music scene being that he is an electronic musician from the United States. o...now i see...b*tched lover.! yeah baby...let that envy shine through...huh...yeah, now rub a lil o that ignorance in thereyup... now you beautiful you wanna talk about the price of the records that's fair...condeming him as a person is going too far...
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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you know when the last time Jeff Mills was hired to play in Chicago? Or the last time he was offered to play there? Anyone who wants to book Jeff Mills has to get through his manager. Easier said than done. Frederic has told me flat out that Jeff won't play in the US. Since I tried to talk to him about playing here, Mills has played Detroit once, and NYC a few times. Chicago isn't a techno town. Mani and Ken and Karl try and do stuff, but appearances by Detroit artists in Chicago are few and far between. Since the rave scene in Chicago is dead, and the big clubs are aimed at the meathead crowd, the market just isn't there. Matt McQueen would know more about it...
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the man lives in chicago and people dont see him there doing what he's love for. if you cant understand that, maybe sit back and try ot open your mind and at least see things from the perspective of another instead of brow-beating them into taking on your own beliefs. how do you know these people wouldnt say it to his face? I know lots of people I'd go off on in person given the chance :) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:51 PM Subject: Re: (313) axis why don't people attack jeff when they meet him in person instead of kiss a** - Original Message - From: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 6:17 PM Subject: Re: (313) axis why dont you calm down and let people speak their opinion without attacking them. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:32 PM Subject: Re: (313) axis From: atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jeff Mills hasn't played in Chicago since 1993? despite living here for years. I think artists/musicians/whatever have a responsibility to their community beyond just releasing records-- art is not created inside some sort of a vacuum. hold up hold up...was that you i saw chillin over at ida b wells...oh wait maybe that was cabrini green...i'm getting older i forget...maybe somewhere over on the west side... what community are you from? what responsibility does he have to you? I think that Jeff Mills has a certain responsibility to help foster the American electronic music scene being that he is an electronic musician from the United States. o...now i see...b*tched lover.! yeah baby...let that envy shine through...huh...yeah, now rub a lil o that ignorance in thereyup... now you beautiful you wanna talk about the price of the records that's fair...condeming him as a person is going too far...
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for. if you cant understand that, maybe sit back and try ot open your mind and at least see things from the perspective of another instead of brow-beating them into taking on your own beliefs. the only belief i espoused is that no one here has the right to condem the man...i don't even know him, or buy his music, but damn does he really owe anyone to play in whatever city he lives in...for the sake of some supposed artistic community...this is simply nonsense...why can't i express that as an opinion... - Original Message - From: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 7:53 PM Subject: Re: (313) axis the man lives in chicago and people dont see him there doing what he's love for. if you cant understand that, maybe sit back and try ot open your mind and at least see things from the perspective of another instead of brow-beating them into taking on your own beliefs. how do you know these people wouldnt say it to his face? I know lots of people I'd go off on in person given the chance :) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:51 PM Subject: Re: (313) axis why don't people attack jeff when they meet him in person instead of kiss a** - Original Message - From: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 6:17 PM Subject: Re: (313) axis why dont you calm down and let people speak their opinion without attacking them. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:32 PM Subject: Re: (313) axis From: atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jeff Mills hasn't played in Chicago since 1993? despite living here for years. I think artists/musicians/whatever have a responsibility to their community beyond just releasing records-- art is not created inside some sort of a vacuum. hold up hold up...was that you i saw chillin over at ida b wells...oh wait maybe that was cabrini green...i'm getting older i forget...maybe somewhere over on the west side... what community are you from? what responsibility does he have to you? I think that Jeff Mills has a certain responsibility to help foster the American electronic music scene being that he is an electronic musician from the United States. o...now i see...b*tched lover.! yeah baby...let that envy shine through...huh...yeah, now rub a lil o that ignorance in thereyup... now you beautiful you wanna talk about the price of the records that's fair...condeming him as a person is going too far...
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I know lots of people I'd go off on in person given the chance :) better that, than on this list where he probably is not...cowardice...i've seen this played out many times... like i said...the issue of the fair pricing is valid...talk about his character is reaching...
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o...now i see...b*tched lover.! yeah baby...let that envy shine through...huh...yeah, now rub a lil o that ignorance in thereyup... now you beautiful --- look familiar? why demean someone for expressing their opinion the end, _j - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 1:02 AM Subject: Re: (313) axis for. if you cant understand that, maybe sit back and try ot open your mind and at least see things from the perspective of another instead of brow-beating them into taking on your own beliefs. the only belief i espoused is that no one here has the right to condem the man...i don't even know him, or buy his music, but damn does he really owe anyone to play in whatever city he lives in...for the sake of some supposed artistic community...this is simply nonsense...why can't i express that as an opinion... - Original Message - From: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 7:53 PM Subject: Re: (313) axis the man lives in chicago and people dont see him there doing what he's love for. if you cant understand that, maybe sit back and try ot open your mind and at least see things from the perspective of another instead of brow-beating them into taking on your own beliefs. how do you know these people wouldnt say it to his face? I know lots of people I'd go off on in person given the chance :) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:51 PM Subject: Re: (313) axis why don't people attack jeff when they meet him in person instead of kiss a** - Original Message - From: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 6:17 PM Subject: Re: (313) axis why dont you calm down and let people speak their opinion without attacking them. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:32 PM Subject: Re: (313) axis From: atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jeff Mills hasn't played in Chicago since 1993? despite living here for years. I think artists/musicians/whatever have a responsibility to their community beyond just releasing records-- art is not created inside some sort of a vacuum. hold up hold up...was that you i saw chillin over at ida b wells...oh wait maybe that was cabrini green...i'm getting older i forget...maybe somewhere over on the west side... what community are you from? what responsibility does he have to you? I think that Jeff Mills has a certain responsibility to help foster the American electronic music scene being that he is an electronic musician from the United States. o...now i see...b*tched lover.! yeah baby...let that envy shine through...huh...yeah, now rub a lil o that ignorance in thereyup... now you beautiful you wanna talk about the price of the records that's fair...condeming him as a person is going too far...
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um. done that. good... good job mate...
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o...now i see...b*tched lover.! yeah baby...let that envy shine through...huh...yeah, now rub a lil o that ignorance in thereyup... now you beautiful --- look familiar? why demean someone for expressing their opinion the end, _j where in there is a reference to my beliefs??? i don't deny that it's a bit mean...ok i'll apologize for that...but i have a right to what i said as well...
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that you do lets end it now, have a good night :) www.emmrecords.com/~fux/web.php flip through my works in progress and melt your brain - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 1:14 AM Subject: Re: (313) axis o...now i see...b*tched lover.! yeah baby...let that envy shine through...huh...yeah, now rub a lil o that ignorance in thereyup... now you beautiful --- look familiar? why demean someone for expressing their opinion the end, _j where in there is a reference to my beliefs??? i don't deny that it's a bit mean...ok i'll apologize for that...but i have a right to what i said as well...
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very well... i've sent you some of my work as well i believe...
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Well, just as a contrast, I live in Chicago in Logan Square. Recently Derrick Carter played a set three blocks from my house. For FREE. He just showed up at Streetside, the neighborhood bar which has a DJ every night and never charges cover. Apparently he owed a favor to the guys that play that night, but whatever, I mean it is a free venue. If you play there it is cus you love the music. I really, really respect that... And I don't think it at all detracts from Derrick's ability to make a living. Now, nobody makes you buy a Jeff Mills record, and he has a right to run his business as he chooses. But guess what, people notice things like that. Some of us try and be very choosy and smart consumers watching who are dollars support. (I also don't eat McDonald's or Coke). So I'm not gonna bitch about the price of a Mills record. It's a luxury, some people have nowhere to live. But guess what, there's plenty of great music. I JUST WON'T BUY THE RECORD. I'd actually much rather support UR. Beyond that, there are plenty of lesser known people and some are up on his level, so much of this is just HYPE. Don't be the dumb consumer. Support what you believe in and stay away from the rest. Maybe his overpricing is even good, if it means that less knowledgeable people buy HIS record, whereas you go out and find something really worth your money! ~David -Original Message- From: atomly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 4:18 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) axis [EMAIL PROTECTED] I agree - all those Jeff Mills records I and thousands of other people own and enjoy in our living rooms - not to mention all of us who use his records to make other people dance, plus the fantastic DJ sets we've experienced, and his and Robert Hoods practical invention of the minimal techno style don't amount to much. We've been duped. I think Jeff Mills owes us all a personal apology for robbing us all these years of a lot - whatever that a lot may be. Well isn't that a pompous response? Jeff Mills hasn't played in Chicago since 1993? despite living here for years. You may remember that he reluctantly agreed to play a show in Detroit in 2000 after not performing there for years, even though he's from there, and then cancelled it because it didn't sell enough tickets. The event finally happened years later, but not until after he had acted like a total prima donna. I think artists/musicians/whatever have a responsibility to their community beyond just releasing records-- art is not created inside some sort of a vacuum. You may disagree with me, and that's fine, but that's how I feel and that influences how and where I spend my money. I think that Jeff Mills has a certain responsibility to help foster the American electronic music scene being that he is an electronic musician from the United States. It's like he took what he needed from Detroit/Chicago and then just turned his back on them. It's not like he invented techno, despite what some of you may think, but rather was introduced to a fertile art scene and is not acting to maintain that scene at all but instead is essentially plundering and pilfering whatever he can from the apparently willing fans. -- :: atomly :: [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] : www.atomly.com ... [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 312.804.5389 ... [ e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for atomly info and updates ...
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Embarassed about what? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 January 2004 11:43 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: /0; 313@hyperreal.org; atomly Subject: Re: (313) axis having been disappointed (borderline embarrased) the last 3 times I've seen mills- i don't think you could pay me to leave the house and go see him. maybe if i was already there... or if everyoen i know was going, making it more of a social thing. On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess its his choice exactly. I still would pay 15 bux to go see him as would I I think too many people expect too much from him or come to his shows with expectations of what a Jeff Mills show is and then when he doesn't deliver their preconceived notion they get in his face. I know it's happened because he's mentioned it on his discussion board. I don't think Detroit is under him - possibly he thinks it's behind him, as in his past. Maybe there's bad memories - who the f*ck but Jeff Mills and those whom he's told really know so people should just let the man be and go see him where he *does* play. and the high price on the limited 3x12 - well maybe he figures he has to make his money NOW because maybe he figures who ever is going to buy it will upload it to soulseek or what ever file share they are using and then everyone will have it for free. MEK /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] mi.net cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) axis 01/14/04 05:20 PM its his loss at this point. maybe he's afraid he cant compete with the new talents coming out of detroit now. maybe detroits under him. I guess its his choice, theres more gig opportunity than there is mills to go around even tho he still plays the same records as 3 years ago, I still would pay 15 bux to go see him if he could stomach a night in detroit :) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 5:49 PM Subject: Re: (313) axis Well isn't that a pompous response? No - it wasn't pompous, it was sarcastic. Crack a dictionary. Do you know when the last time Jeff Mills was hired to play in Chicago? Or the last time he was offered to play there? Just because he's from Detroit or lives in Chicago doesn't obligate him to play there - I could imagine that there *could* exist for him many personal issues with people in Detroit (or Chicago) that would cause him to say to himself - you know, self, I'd only go back to Detroit if I was given a million dollars I think artists/musicians/whatever have a responsibility to their community beyond just releasing records-- As several people have stated - Jeff does give back to his community - he just doesn't do it in the public eye for loads of attention or to get the ok from people like yourself. It's called being humble. but instead is essentially plundering and pilfering whatever he can from the apparently willing fans. I'd still like to know what you think you are personally being robbed of. You've seen him at a bar - are you pissed because he's relaxing instead of DJing? I've known many DJs and artists who live in Minneapolis but don't play here. They prefer to play in Europe or other cities because they get a better response and they like to keep the city they live in as a sort of quiet retreat from where they perform. makes sense to me MEK atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org m cc: Subject: Re: (313) axis 01/14/04 04:18 PM [EMAIL PROTECTED] I agree - all those Jeff Mills records I and thousands of other people own and enjoy in our living rooms - not to mention all of us who use his records to make other people dance, plus the fantastic DJ sets we've experienced, and his and Robert Hoods practical invention of the minimal techno style don't amount to much. We've been duped. I think Jeff Mills owes us all a personal apology for robbing us all these years of a lot - whatever that a lot may be. Well isn't that a pompous response? Jeff Mills hasn't played in Chicago since 1993? despite living here for years. You may remember that he reluctantly agreed to play a show in Detroit in 2000 after not performing there for years, even though he's from there, and then cancelled it because it didn't sell enough tickets. The event finally happened years later, but not until after he had acted like a total prima donna. I think artists/musicians
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From LD: Ryan: From the Axis Shop it was about £5 or £6 a piece. From UK shops 2 weeks ago, about £8-9. Now, mysteriously, the same vendors are knocking them out for the above mentioned prices. I know people have been dissing Mills for this, but it's plain to see that the mark ups has been added by the shops. 14/1/04 6:17 PM Cobert, [EMAIL PROTECTED] and there's a series of albums, both classic and recent ones, sold in pack of two or four on the website... Gwendal -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mittwoch, 14. Januar 2004 18:55 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) axis Us Yanks better take advantage of Warp's 7-quid-per-album MP3 deal now; just to let you all know if you're interested, theres a warp back catalogue cd campaign going on in the UK at the minute. I think all the CD's are 8.99 (maybe a little cheaper) you can get them at www.piccadillyrecords.com, and also www.boomkat.com, I guess at warp too. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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I'd just like to point out that the above mentioned prices were in reference to the prices that Martin mentioned on LD, namely £12 per piece. -Original Message- From: Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 January 2004 9:43 To: Cobert, Gwendal; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) axis From LD: Ryan: From the Axis Shop it was about £5 or £6 a piece. From UK shops 2 weeks ago, about £8-9. Now, mysteriously, the same vendors are knocking them out for the above mentioned prices. I know people have been dissing Mills for this, but it's plain to see that the mark ups has been added by the shops. 14/1/04 6:17 PM Cobert, [EMAIL PROTECTED] and there's a series of albums, both classic and recent ones, sold in pack of two or four on the website... Gwendal -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mittwoch, 14. Januar 2004 18:55 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) axis Us Yanks better take advantage of Warp's 7-quid-per-album MP3 deal now; just to let you all know if you're interested, theres a warp back catalogue cd campaign going on in the UK at the minute. I think all the CD's are 8.99 (maybe a little cheaper) you can get them at www.piccadillyrecords.com, and also www.boomkat.com, I guess at warp too. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager by telephone on +44 (0)20 7337 8300 or via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], attaching this message. Please then delete this email and all attachments, and destroy any copies thereof. Thank you. ***
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this is not completely true as to the shops, they are offered pretty expensive by the several distributors and they offer it more expensive, as they but it in more expensive and of course shops take their own margin. - Original Message - From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cobert, Gwendal [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:42 AM Subject: Re: (313) axis From LD: Ryan: From the Axis Shop it was about £5 or £6 a piece. From UK shops 2 weeks ago, about £8-9. Now, mysteriously, the same vendors are knocking them out for the above mentioned prices. I know people have been dissing Mills for this, but it's plain to see that the mark ups has been added by the shops. 14/1/04 6:17 PM Cobert, [EMAIL PROTECTED] and there's a series of albums, both classic and recent ones, sold in pack of two or four on the website... Gwendal -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mittwoch, 14. Januar 2004 18:55 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) axis Us Yanks better take advantage of Warp's 7-quid-per-album MP3 deal now; just to let you all know if you're interested, theres a warp back catalogue cd campaign going on in the UK at the minute. I think all the CD's are 8.99 (maybe a little cheaper) you can get them at www.piccadillyrecords.com, and also www.boomkat.com, I guess at warp too. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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One of the lads has just seen these in a shop in Sheffield for £14! 15/1/04 9:52 AM Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT)[EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd just like to point out that the above mentioned prices were in reference to the prices that Martin mentioned on LD, namely £12 per piece. -Original Message- From: Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 January 2004 9:43 To: Cobert, Gwendal; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) axis From LD: Ryan: From the Axis Shop it was about £5 or £6 a piece. From UK shops 2 weeks ago, about £8-9. Now, mysteriously, the same vendors are knocking them out for the above mentioned prices. I know people have been dissing Mills for this, but it's plain to see that the mark ups has been added by the shops. 14/1/04 6:17 PM Cobert, [EMAIL PROTECTED] and there's a series of albums, both classic and recent ones, sold in pack of two or four on the website... Gwendal -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mittwoch, 14. Januar 2004 18:55 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) axis Us Yanks better take advantage of Warp's 7-quid-per-album MP3 deal now; just to let you all know if you're interested, theres a warp back catalogue cd campaign going on in the UK at the minute. I think all the CD's are 8.99 (maybe a little cheaper) you can get them at www.piccadillyrecords.com, and also www.boomkat.com, I guess at warp too. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring ** * Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager by telephone on +44 (0)20 7337 8300 or via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], attaching this message. Please then delete this email and all attachments, and destroy any copies thereof. Thank you. ** *
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How do you explain the rise of £3/4 in the last couple of weeks from the same shops? -Original Message- From: Marsel van der Wielen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 January 2004 9:54 To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) axis this is not completely true as to the shops, they are offered pretty expensive by the several distributors and they offer it more expensive, as they but it in more expensive and of course shops take their own margin. - Original Message - From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cobert, Gwendal [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:42 AM Subject: Re: (313) axis From LD: Ryan: From the Axis Shop it was about £5 or £6 a piece. From UK shops 2 weeks ago, about £8-9. Now, mysteriously, the same vendors are knocking them out for the above mentioned prices. I know people have been dissing Mills for this, but it's plain to see that the mark ups has been added by the shops. 14/1/04 6:17 PM Cobert, [EMAIL PROTECTED] and there's a series of albums, both classic and recent ones, sold in pack of two or four on the website... Gwendal -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mittwoch, 14. Januar 2004 18:55 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) axis Us Yanks better take advantage of Warp's 7-quid-per-album MP3 deal now; just to let you all know if you're interested, theres a warp back catalogue cd campaign going on in the UK at the minute. I think all the CD's are 8.99 (maybe a little cheaper) you can get them at www.piccadillyrecords.com, and also www.boomkat.com, I guess at warp too. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager by telephone on +44 (0)20 7337 8300 or via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], attaching this message. Please then delete this email and all attachments, and destroy any copies thereof. Thank you. ***
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That's a little unfair - if they're being sold to to distributors at the same price as from the Axis store, then of course there's going to be a big markup by the time they reach us - for a standard priced release, a distributor takes about 30% of the final price, and the store the same. It's all about what price they are being sold to the distributor that determines the final sale price. And as has been mentioned before, any label can stop their distributor from marking the prices up above normal, let alone Axis. - Original Message - From: Martin To: Cobert, Gwendal ; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 9:42 AM Subject: Re: (313) axis From LD: Ryan: From the Axis Shop it was about £5 or £6 a piece. From UK shops 2 weeks ago, about £8-9. Now, mysteriously, the same vendors are knocking them out for the above mentioned prices. I know people have been dissing Mills for this, but it's plain to see that the mark ups has been added by the shops. 14/1/04 6:17 PM Cobert, [EMAIL PROTECTED] and there's a series of albums, both classic and recent ones, sold in pack of two or four on the website... Gwendal -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mittwoch, 14. Januar 2004 18:55 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) axis Us Yanks better take advantage of Warp's 7-quid-per-album MP3 deal now; just to let you all know if you're interested, theres a warp back catalogue cd campaign going on in the UK at the minute. I think all the CD's are 8.99 (maybe a little cheaper) you can get them at www.piccadillyrecords.com, and also www.boomkat.com, I guess at warp too. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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no idea, ask them rise or lower? with rise it could be the release was sold out at one distributor so they did find another one, but more expensive or visa versa they did find another one, but more cheap - Original Message - From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Marsel van der Wielen' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:55 AM Subject: RE: (313) axis How do you explain the rise of £3/4 in the last couple of weeks from the same shops? -Original Message- From: Marsel van der Wielen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 January 2004 9:54 To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) axis this is not completely true as to the shops, they are offered pretty expensive by the several distributors and they offer it more expensive, as they but it in more expensive and of course shops take their own margin. - Original Message - From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cobert, Gwendal [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:42 AM Subject: Re: (313) axis From LD: Ryan: From the Axis Shop it was about £5 or £6 a piece. From UK shops 2 weeks ago, about £8-9. Now, mysteriously, the same vendors are knocking them out for the above mentioned prices. I know people have been dissing Mills for this, but it's plain to see that the mark ups has been added by the shops. 14/1/04 6:17 PM Cobert, [EMAIL PROTECTED] and there's a series of albums, both classic and recent ones, sold in pack of two or four on the website... Gwendal -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mittwoch, 14. Januar 2004 18:55 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) axis Us Yanks better take advantage of Warp's 7-quid-per-album MP3 deal now; just to let you all know if you're interested, theres a warp back catalogue cd campaign going on in the UK at the minute. I think all the CD's are 8.99 (maybe a little cheaper) you can get them at www.piccadillyrecords.com, and also www.boomkat.com, I guess at warp too. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager by telephone on +44 (0)20 7337 8300 or via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], attaching this message. Please then delete this email and all attachments, and destroy any copies thereof. Thank you. ***
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Remember also that some small distributors actually buy from the larger ones rather than the label directly, which can add another 10-20% to the final sale price... - Original Message - From: Marsel van der Wielen To: 313 Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 9:58 AM Subject: Re: (313) axis no idea, ask them rise or lower? with rise it could be the release was sold out at one distributor so they did find another one, but more expensive or visa versa they did find another one, but more cheap - Original Message - From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Marsel van der Wielen' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:55 AM Subject: RE: (313) axis How do you explain the rise of £3/4 in the last couple of weeks from the same shops? -Original Message- From: Marsel van der Wielen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 January 2004 9:54 To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) axis this is not completely true as to the shops, they are offered pretty expensive by the several distributors and they offer it more expensive, as they but it in more expensive and of course shops take their own margin. - Original Message - From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cobert, Gwendal [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:42 AM Subject: Re: (313) axis From LD: Ryan: From the Axis Shop it was about £5 or £6 a piece. From UK shops 2 weeks ago, about £8-9. Now, mysteriously, the same vendors are knocking them out for the above mentioned prices. I know people have been dissing Mills for this, but it's plain to see that the mark ups has been added by the shops. 14/1/04 6:17 PM Cobert, [EMAIL PROTECTED] and there's a series of albums, both classic and recent ones, sold in pack of two or four on the website... Gwendal -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mittwoch, 14. Januar 2004 18:55 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) axis Us Yanks better take advantage of Warp's 7-quid-per-album MP3 deal now; just to let you all know if you're interested, theres a warp back catalogue cd campaign going on in the UK at the minute. I think all the CD's are 8.99 (maybe a little cheaper) you can get them at www.piccadillyrecords.com, and also www.boomkat.com, I guess at warp too. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager by telephone on +44 (0)20 7337 8300 or via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], attaching this message. Please then delete this email and all attachments, and destroy any copies thereof. Thank you. ***
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That's plausible, of course, but it strikes me as strange. These are limited releases, and I reckon that any shop who wanted to stock them would have bought as many as they could in the first instance. How likely is it that Distributors would still be sitting on any after 4 weeks?? It's possible, but it doesn't seem likely. This is speculative, of course- as is this whole thread, really. -Original Message- From: Marsel van der Wielen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 January 2004 9:58 To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) axis no idea, ask them rise or lower? with rise it could be the release was sold out at one distributor so they did find another one, but more expensive or visa versa they did find another one, but more cheap - Original Message - From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Marsel van der Wielen' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:55 AM Subject: RE: (313) axis How do you explain the rise of £3/4 in the last couple of weeks from the same shops? -Original Message- From: Marsel van der Wielen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 January 2004 9:54 To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) axis this is not completely true as to the shops, they are offered pretty expensive by the several distributors and they offer it more expensive, as they but it in more expensive and of course shops take their own margin. - Original Message - From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cobert, Gwendal [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:42 AM Subject: Re: (313) axis From LD: Ryan: From the Axis Shop it was about £5 or £6 a piece. From UK shops 2 weeks ago, about £8-9. Now, mysteriously, the same vendors are knocking them out for the above mentioned prices. I know people have been dissing Mills for this, but it's plain to see that the mark ups has been added by the shops. 14/1/04 6:17 PM Cobert, [EMAIL PROTECTED] and there's a series of albums, both classic and recent ones, sold in pack of two or four on the website... Gwendal -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mittwoch, 14. Januar 2004 18:55 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) axis Us Yanks better take advantage of Warp's 7-quid-per-album MP3 deal now; just to let you all know if you're interested, theres a warp back catalogue cd campaign going on in the UK at the minute. I think all the CD's are 8.99 (maybe a little cheaper) you can get them at www.piccadillyrecords.com, and also www.boomkat.com, I guess at warp too. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager by telephone on +44 (0)20 7337 8300 or via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], attaching this message. Please then delete this email and all attachments, and destroy any copies thereof. Thank you. *** *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient
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if shops are suddenly adding #3+ after selling at a tenner for several weeks then they're taking the mick. we were offered these by several distributors all at the same price meaning the lowest we could sell at was #9.99 which we did. as did the other quality stores such as rubadub, aidy@ vu, hedonism etc... i know from experience in leeds that certain shops associate detroit with high cost and rareness (is that a word?) and just double their cost price to make the selling price. they're usually the funky house and cheese stores out to make a few quid from techno while it's popular. simple answer is don't buy from these places and only support those who've supported the music from day one where you'll always get a fair price. - Original Message - From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Marsel van der Wielen' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 9:55 AM Subject: RE: (313) axis How do you explain the rise of #3/4 in the last couple of weeks from the same shops? -Original Message- From: Marsel van der Wielen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 January 2004 9:54 To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) axis this is not completely true as to the shops, they are offered pretty expensive by the several distributors and they offer it more expensive, as they but it in more expensive and of course shops take their own margin. - Original Message - From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cobert, Gwendal [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:42 AM Subject: Re: (313) axis From LD: Ryan: From the Axis Shop it was about #5 or #6 a piece. From UK shops 2 weeks ago, about #8-9. Now, mysteriously, the same vendors are knocking them out for the above mentioned prices. I know people have been dissing Mills for this, but it's plain to see that the mark ups has been added by the shops. 14/1/04 6:17 PM Cobert, [EMAIL PROTECTED] and there's a series of albums, both classic and recent ones, sold in pack of two or four on the website... Gwendal -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mittwoch, 14. Januar 2004 18:55 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) axis Us Yanks better take advantage of Warp's 7-quid-per-album MP3 deal now; just to let you all know if you're interested, theres a warp back catalogue cd campaign going on in the UK at the minute. I think all the CD's are 8.99 (maybe a little cheaper) you can get them at www.piccadillyrecords.com, and also www.boomkat.com, I guess at warp too. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager by telephone on +44 (0)20 7337 8300 or via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], attaching this message. Please then delete this email and all attachments, and destroy any copies thereof. Thank you. ***
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Tom said Here's a hypotherical question - would you have bought the Kai Alce record if it had been released on a label other than Mahogani? What if it was an import from Europe on a label you'd never heard of, with no association to KDJ whatsoever? Right, I gotta hold my hands up here. I'd say almost certainly not. (if it was again a one sided thing - maybe if it was a full ep though) I picked up the trackmode by the same guy. I'm just curious as to what extent the fact that it has KDJ's blessing would influence your decision to buy a record. I think sometimes, with this label in particular I feel like I HAVE to pick it up early doors because I haven't got a hope in hell of getting it later. Sometimes in the past I've slept on things, only to hear them in a club, or on a mix-tape, and then really really want them. I liked the track. But, I haven't been buying hardly any records lately as I'm skint. But, I did pick this up for the reason above, I could have quite easily left it, and probably would have if it was on another label and I knew I could pick it up later if it took my fancy. Obviously had I not picked it up, I wouldnt be able to get it 6 months down the line. so. that makes me a bit of a saddo really. or a di*khead, or a hypocrite? hmm, oh well. But, I swear, if all those people who dont even like house music and buy moodymann records on sight didn't - then I might not have to do it. So I'll blame them to make myself feel better. I didn't buy the Mills though. So obviously I didn't feel I needed that for some reason. Jesus, I don't know. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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Oh yeah, a small irritating thing about this site : they never say whether the tracks are those from the vinyl EP or the CD version - they used to be quite different, esp with the early releases. Just bitching. Gwendal -Original Message- From: Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mittwoch, 14. Januar 2004 17:37 To: atomly; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) axis My view is no one is making you buy it, so don't. I've no idea what Jeff's running costs are or what he needs to make back to break even but we went thru this with Peacefrog... Oh and warps bleep is now live: https://www.warprecords.com/bleep 14/1/04 5:00 PM [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Matt Chester [EMAIL PROTECTED]] At the moment, if I press up 800 copies of a release it costs about ?1200 (less in N.America), and on a standard price to distributors (which = about ?5.50 in the stores) it takes about 500 sales to break even. So to double that price and claim it's to cover costs is ridiculous. Whilst the figures for a small independant label are tight as hell, I seriously doubt raising the prices will help - distributors and stores would take an accordingly higher cut, and sales would probably drop a bit as people find their addictions harder and harder to sustain. But the man isn't trying to just break even. You're forgetting about packaging, press, etc. costs, overhead for the label (employees and such) and the fact that Jeff Mills actually wants to make a living off of this. If he sold them for cost, it wouldn't get him anywhere. That's one thing that always struck me as odd. I don't know how many times I've heard people grumble about labels or promoters making money off of music (not to say you were saying this or that Axis is charging any sort of a fair price, this is just a tangent)-- I know I even did as a punk teenager. After throwing shows and releasing records, I think it's absurd to ask people to put that much of their money at risk and to devote that much time and effort to something and only be able to barely break even, otherwise they're a sellout.
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I ordered See/The/Light from the Axis website and it came to slightly over 20 quid, including postage. Seems pretty reasonable to me. If a shop is over-charging, don't use it... Sean.
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There's your answer Atomly. I guess we'll just have to live with the fact that Jeff won't play in the US - it's his choice and his right to choose where he lives and where he plays and as long as he pays his taxes he's under no obligation to do differently. I'm sure he's not the only one who does this - Europe just has a better appreciation of the music but maybe America/Chicago has a higher standard of living (for him). He charges more for a particular record - don't buy it if you don't want to. MEK Kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313 list 313@hyperreal.org cc: 01/14/04 09:26 PMSubject: Re: (313) axis On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you know when the last time Jeff Mills was hired to play in Chicago? Or the last time he was offered to play there? Anyone who wants to book Jeff Mills has to get through his manager. Easier said than done. Frederic has told me flat out that Jeff won't play in the US. Since I tried to talk to him about playing here, Mills has played Detroit once, and NYC a few times. Chicago isn't a techno town. Mani and Ken and Karl try and do stuff, but appearances by Detroit artists in Chicago are few and far between. Since the rave scene in Chicago is dead, and the big clubs are aimed at the meathead crowd, the market just isn't there. Matt McQueen would know more about it...
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- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] the only belief i espoused is that no one here has the right to condem the man...i don't even know him, or buy his music, but damn does he really owe anyone to play in whatever city he lives in I've been watching from the sidelines, but wanted to comment on what atomly and a few others touched on. Mills, Derrick Carter, UR or any other artist are not obligated to do anything for the community, but some artists do show interest in keeping their community alive and some don't. In a music community that is struggling to stay afloat, the locals personally involved in the community (record shops, promoters, local djs, music lovers, etc) are obviously going to take note of who is helping out. Nobody can speak for Mills' personal reasons for not djing in the US, but it is more than that, it is his actions that show no desire to mend whatever problems kept him from djing here, and no desire to keep in touch with the issues affecting the changing face of the local scene. Until he proves otherwise, it would be hard not to judge him as such. Nobody is saying he is obligated to do anything- but by choosing to ignore the local scene, regardless of the reason, he is bound to receive criticism - and the fact that he does not openly discuss his reasons leaves even more room for criticism.. As mentioned, UR is a good example of a successful techno-outfit from the early days that has NOT forgotten the value of the community, despite the decline of the stateside techno scene. After the move to the new building they set up facilities for community workshops, a new website/discussion boards, still doing local shows on a regular basis, and still very vocal in the ongoing community dialogue. These actions speak loudly to locals. I don't think Mills owes anybody anything, but knowing the state of the Detroit and Chicago techno scenes, and knowing how apathetic the rest of the music community is to the struggling techno community- you can see where the techno community gets frustrated with the lack of support, not just from Mills, but from any number of sources. Not saying he should dj 'x' amont of times per year, or make specific public appearances, but any actions that show a general concern are appreciated. So many american artists/djs see that americans are not into dance culture, and instead of trying to address that issue locally, they just pack their flight-case and head off to Europe. Meanwhile, the other 99% of the community who cannot afford to follow along are stuck trying to keep the local scene afloat. I don't think many people hate Mills over this, but it is a sensitive issue for locals and frustrations are occasionally vented when the issue comes up. peace, p - Original Message - From: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 7:53 PM Subject: Re: (313) axis the man lives in chicago and people dont see him there doing what he's love for. if you cant understand that, maybe sit back and try ot open your mind and at least see things from the perspective of another instead of brow-beating them into taking on your own beliefs. how do you know these people wouldnt say it to his face? I know lots of people I'd go off on in person given the chance :) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:51 PM Subject: Re: (313) axis why don't people attack jeff when they meet him in person instead of kiss a** - Original Message - From: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 6:17 PM Subject: Re: (313) axis why dont you calm down and let people speak their opinion without attacking them. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:32 PM Subject: Re: (313) axis From: atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jeff Mills hasn't played in Chicago since 1993? despite livinghere for years. I think artists/musicians/whatever have a responsibility to their community beyond just releasing records-- art is not created inside some sort of a vacuum. hold up hold up...was that you i saw chillin over at ida b wells...oh wait maybe that was cabrini green...i'm getting older i forget...maybe somewhere over on the west side... what community are you from? what responsibility does he have to you? I think that Jeff Mills has a certain responsibility to help foster the American electronic music scene being that he is an electronic musician from the United States
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But what if he and others in his position could take it further than that! Galvanize this community through festivals (lukewarm overall), seminars, clubs (gasp!), and the development of new players in the game. Uh, yeah - he does all of this. It's called Musik und Machine. http://www.musikundmaschine.com/index_flash.html not many other individual artists have done this so I think Jeff is actually on the forefront of doing exactly what you're asking him to do. MEK
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Mills is a hot topic today!! :P There is an interesting discussion occuring here: http://www.littledetroit.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1491 regards the upcoming DVD release. (I would be interested to hear opinions from 313 members). I will say though, and it is ONLY my opinion, that Mills is seemingly getting a battering for no other reason than the fact that it's Jeff Mills. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 January 2004 3:03 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) axis But what if he and others in his position could take it further than that! Galvanize this community through festivals (lukewarm overall), seminars, clubs (gasp!), and the development of new players in the game. Uh, yeah - he does all of this. It's called Musik und Machine. http://www.musikundmaschine.com/index_flash.html not many other individual artists have done this so I think Jeff is actually on the forefront of doing exactly what you're asking him to do. MEK *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager by telephone on +44 (0)20 7337 8300 or via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], attaching this message. Please then delete this email and all attachments, and destroy any copies thereof. Thank you. ***
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sorry - the whole idea that he should play in one city or another just because he lives there and you or some else sees him there is selfish. Mills is not some toy to be turned on whenever you feel like playing - get real. I can understand wanting to see him but I can also put myself in the shoes of the person we are actually talking about. Yes - he lives in Chicago. No - he doesn't play there. Get over it. He certainly won't play there if you get up in his face about it. MEK /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org mi.net cc: Subject: Re: (313) axis 01/14/04 09:53 PM the man lives in chicago and people dont see him there doing what he's love for. if you cant understand that, maybe sit back and try ot open your mind and at least see things from the perspective of another instead of brow-beating them into taking on your own beliefs. how do you know these people wouldnt say it to his face? I know lots of people I'd go off on in person given the chance :) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:51 PM Subject: Re: (313) axis why don't people attack jeff when they meet him in person instead of kiss a** - Original Message - From: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 6:17 PM Subject: Re: (313) axis why dont you calm down and let people speak their opinion without attacking them. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:32 PM Subject: Re: (313) axis From: atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jeff Mills hasn't played in Chicago since 1993? despite living here for years. I think artists/musicians/whatever have a responsibility to their community beyond just releasing records-- art is not created inside some sort of a vacuum. hold up hold up...was that you i saw chillin over at ida b wells...oh wait maybe that was cabrini green...i'm getting older i forget...maybe somewhere over on the west side... what community are you from? what responsibility does he have to you? I think that Jeff Mills has a certain responsibility to help foster the American electronic music scene being that he is an electronic musician from the United States. o...now i see...b*tched lover.! yeah baby...let that envy shine through...huh...yeah, now rub a lil o that ignorance in thereyup... now you beautiful you wanna talk about the price of the records that's fair...condeming him as a person is going too far...
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And I would agree, Clarke gets it, Juan does and Jeff seems to get targeted every single month. How do people find the time to worry more about what these guys do than making a difference by making tunes, promoting or adding to the scene... Martin 15/1/04 3:05 PM Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT)[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mills is a hot topic today!! :P There is an interesting discussion occuring here: http://www.littledetroit.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1491 regards the upcoming DVD release. (I would be interested to hear opinions from 313 members). I will say though, and it is ONLY my opinion, that Mills is seemingly getting a battering for no other reason than the fact that it's Jeff Mills. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 January 2004 3:03 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) axis But what if he and others in his position could take it further than that! Galvanize this community through festivals (lukewarm overall), seminars, clubs (gasp!), and the development of new players in the game. Uh, yeah - he does all of this. It's called Musik und Machine. http://www.musikundmaschine.com/index_flash.html not many other individual artists have done this so I think Jeff is actually on the forefront of doing exactly what you're asking him to do. MEK ** * Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager by telephone on +44 (0)20 7337 8300 or via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], attaching this message. Please then delete this email and all attachments, and destroy any copies thereof. Thank you. ** *
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- Original Message - But what if he and others in his position could take it further than that! Galvanize this community through festivals (lukewarm overall), seminars,clubs (gasp!), and the development of new players in the game. Uh, yeah - he does all of this. It's called Musik und Machine. http://www.musikundmaschine.com/index_flash.html Thats in Germany though. To simplify my previous post in light of the last couple posts: I sort of see this issue as comparable to the difference between socialism and capitalism. The capitalists head over to Europe where the capital is at for the dance music industry. The socialists are community driven and are in it primarily for the general welfare and progression of the local community. Of course there are many in-betweens, but underground music scenes have traditionally avoided capitlist structures- sometimes as a philosophical reaction against the state of the mainstream music industry, and sometimes as an involuntary action due to lack of resources. When it comes down to business, there are many opposing viewpoints both within and outside the underground community. I think the opinions in this thread have been reflecting those various philosophies of the dance community and are all worthy of consideration.
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Thank you pleidy, for understanding and expanding on my point. Peace, Alex - Original Message - But what if he and others in his position could take it further than that! Galvanize this community through festivals (lukewarm overall), seminars,clubs (gasp!), and the development of new players in the game. Uh, yeah - he does all of this. It's called Musik und Machine. http://www.musikundmaschine.com/index_flash.html Thats in Germany though. To simplify my previous post in light of the last couple posts: I sort of see this issue as comparable to the difference between socialism and capitalism. The capitalists head over to Europe where the capital is at for the dance music industry. The socialists are community driven and are in it primarily for the general welfare and progression of the local community. Of course there are many in-betweens, but underground music scenes have traditionally avoided capitlist structures- sometimes as a philosophical reaction against the state of the mainstream music industry, and sometimes as an involuntary action due to lack of resources. When it comes down to business, there are many opposing viewpoints both within and outside the underground community. I think the opinions in this thread have been reflecting those various philosophies of the dance community and are all worthy of consideration.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] i think your name is peter right? ok...you make a rational argument...the argument that he could 'single handedly transform the american scene' is not...nor is it true...moby could transform the american scene before jeff mills...but, if jeff mills spends the majority of his time in europe playing shows and throwing festivals it's because that's who gives him the most support...when americans buy as much of his music as europe does...i'm sure he'll spend more time here...that's business...as far as the community goes...they're never satisfied...if he was a perfect hero they would still complain...or they would be silent...the sentiments 'against' jeff mills are far stronger than the sentiments 'for' the very gallant efforts of derrick may for putting up his own money to make the movement festival... what makes this a community?...do they call radio stations? do they mail letters to congress so they can have festivals and venues? or do they just collect records, go to clubs to see said artists and make music themselves? the people in this community treat each other like sh*t most of the time and totally ignore each other the rest...i think alex mentioned the unrecognized producers...let me say this...this so called community 'could' be the answer to the big-shots ignoring the little guys, but the 'community' ignores them too! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 7:46 AM Subject: Re: (313) axis - Original Message - But what if he and others in his position could take it further than that! Galvanize this community through festivals (lukewarm overall), seminars,clubs (gasp!), and the development of new players in the game. Uh, yeah - he does all of this. It's called Musik und Machine. http://www.musikundmaschine.com/index_flash.html Thats in Germany though. To simplify my previous post in light of the last couple posts: I sort of see this issue as comparable to the difference between socialism and capitalism. The capitalists head over to Europe where the capital is at for the dance music industry. The socialists are community driven and are in it primarily for the general welfare and progression of the local community. Of course there are many in-betweens, but underground music scenes have traditionally avoided capitlist structures- sometimes as a philosophical reaction against the state of the mainstream music industry, and sometimes as an involuntary action due to lack of resources. When it comes down to business, there are many opposing viewpoints both within and outside the underground community. I think the opinions in this thread have been reflecting those various philosophies of the dance community and are all worthy of consideration.
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-- Original Message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:59:25 -0800 but, if jeff mills spends the majority of his time in europe playing shows and throwing festivals it's because that's who gives him the most support...when americans buy as much of his music as europe does...i'm sure he'll spend more time here...that's business... that actually makes no business sense at all. making more sense would be dividing your time so that you make your existing customers happy but also making inroads to getting new fans by playing places where you might not sell as many records. i have no qualms with mr mills record pricing or whatever, but i do think it makes no sense to live in the US at least part of the time yet spend no time building a fanbase here. tom andythepooh.com
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...but if Mills has been in the ascendancy for 10-15 years, perhaps it would have already happened by now, if it was going to at all? -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 January 2004 4:45 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) axis -- Original Message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:59:25 -0800 but, if jeff mills spends the majority of his time in europe playing shows and throwing festivals it's because that's who gives him the most support...when americans buy as much of his music as europe does...i'm sure he'll spend more time here...that's business... that actually makes no business sense at all. making more sense would be dividing your time so that you make your existing customers happy but also making inroads to getting new fans by playing places where you might not sell as many records. i have no qualms with mr mills record pricing or whatever, but i do think it makes no sense to live in the US at least part of the time yet spend no time building a fanbase here. tom andythepooh.com *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager by telephone on +44 (0)20 7337 8300 or via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], attaching this message. Please then delete this email and all attachments, and destroy any copies thereof. Thank you. ***
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Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: that actually makes no business sense at all. making more sense would be dividing your time so that you make your existing customers happy but also making inroads to getting new fans by playing places where you might not sell as many records. i have no qualms with mr mills record pricing or whatever, but i do think it makes no sense to live in the US at least part of the time yet spend no time building a fanbase here. When Mills spoke at Musik und Maschine this summer, the sense I got was that he felt he was playing TOO much. In that situation, he's probably attempting to maximize his profits per gig, rather than trying to to cultivate a market. -- Dennis DeSantis www.dennisdesantis.com
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-- Original Message -- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...but if Mills has been in the ascendancy for 10-15 years, perhaps it would have already happened by now, if it was going to at all? yeah giving up must be the thing to do. not. i dont think jeff would have any problems selling out shows in bigger cities in the US. europe is different because of the close proximity of well populated cities and countries to each other and the cheapness of plane and train travel. here, if he stuck to the big cities, he would have tons of fans and work on gaining even more. tom andythepooh.com
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yeah giving up must be the thing to do. not. I never said that!! -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 January 2004 4:52 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) axis -- Original Message -- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...but if Mills has been in the ascendancy for 10-15 years, perhaps it would have already happened by now, if it was going to at all? yeah giving up must be the thing to do. not. i dont think jeff would have any problems selling out shows in bigger cities in the US. europe is different because of the close proximity of well populated cities and countries to each other and the cheapness of plane and train travel. here, if he stuck to the big cities, he would have tons of fans and work on gaining even more. tom andythepooh.com *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager by telephone on +44 (0)20 7337 8300 or via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], attaching this message. Please then delete this email and all attachments, and destroy any copies thereof. Thank you. ***
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-- Original Message -- From: Dennis DeSantis [EMAIL PROTECTED] When Mills spoke at Musik und Maschine this summer, the sense I got was that he felt he was playing TOO much. In that situation, he's probably attempting to maximize his profits per gig, rather than trying to to cultivate a market. maybe hes playing too much to the same people over and over. how many times has he played at Lost in the past year? he's never in the past 7 years (and i think maybe ever) played within a 4 hour drive from pittsburgh. his set at movement was the closest i can remember recently, and detroit is a 5 hour drive from here. that means that most people who are fans from columbus, cincinatti, cleveland, etc have probably never seen him unless they drove to detroit. but thats a pretty decent sized market to basically neglect despite its relative proximity to places he has lived. instead he'll play lost again, or whatever hip techno club there is in germany again. its kind of annoying, really. tom andythepooh.com
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-- Original Message -- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] yeah giving up must be the thing to do. not. I never said that!! i know you didnt, but it certainly seems like thats what mr mills is saying by not playing here. tom andythepooh.com
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tom wrote: but thats a pretty decent sized market to basically neglect despite its relative proximity to places he has lived. instead he'll play lost again, or whatever hip techno club there is in germany again. its kind of annoying, really. He'll play wherever he's booked to play, which as has already been mentioned, is largely down to his agent. Agents form relationships with promoters and the same acts tend to deal with the same promoters over a period of time. I don't think its necessarily something to take personally. I share your frustration a lot of the time. It takes a long time for a lot of DJs to play here in Belfast (Mills hadn't done until pretty recently), but once they do play, they tend to return to the same club multiple times.
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Didn't Mills avoid the U.K for years due to visa problems? I thought it was only the last couple of years that he'd been playing here regularly again. Sean Creen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org nwave.comcc: Fax to: 15/01/2004Subject: RE: (313) axis 16:55 tom wrote: but thats a pretty decent sized market to basically neglect despite its relative proximity to places he has lived. instead he'll play lost again, or whatever hip techno club there is in germany again. its kind of annoying, really. He'll play wherever he's booked to play, which as has already been mentioned, is largely down to his agent. Agents form relationships with promoters and the same acts tend to deal with the same promoters over a period of time. I don't think its necessarily something to take personally. I share your frustration a lot of the time. It takes a long time for a lot of DJs to play here in Belfast (Mills hadn't done until pretty recently), but once they do play, they tend to return to the same club multiple times.
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-Original Message- Didn't Mills avoid the U.K for years due to visa problems? The interest rate they charge is disgusting...
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As commendable as you may find that, I don't think Berlin has any problems with its community as far as techno support goes. I was speaking of Detroit when I wrote community. Peace, Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/15/2004 10:03 AM To [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc 313@hyperreal.org Subject Re: (313) axis But what if he and others in his position could take it further than that! Galvanize this community through festivals (lukewarm overall), seminars, clubs (gasp!), and the development of new players in the game. Uh, yeah - he does all of this. It's called Musik und Machine. http://www.musikundmaschine.com/index_flash.html not many other individual artists have done this so I think Jeff is actually on the forefront of doing exactly what you're asking him to do. MEK
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my earlier post was in haste because unlike mr mills i'm not rich so i had a job interview...maybe someday as many people will buy some music from me :) I think the opinions in this thread have been reflecting those various philosophies of the dance community and are all worthy of consideration. absolutley, but you make rational arguments while others assinate character... The capitalists head over to Europe where the capital is at for the dance music industry. The socialists are community driven and are in it primarily for the general welfare and progression of the local community. ok...as an artist who has been to europe to do shows i can speak to this a littlewhile i haven't seen 6-10,000 per show, i have felt the general warmth and appreciative attitude from the audiences...so socially the environment is better as well...it also is an eye opener to walk into a cafe and hear electronic music as the background music, or to watch the news and hear a recognizable electronic song as the backdrop for a lead in...there are lots of social reasons to go to europe if you do electronic music as well... there are many reasons electronic music doesn't fare better in the US...some political, some cultural, but some of it has to do with the attitudes of the people who follow it in the states...placing the fate of electronic music on jeff mills is niether accurate nor healthy (psychologically)
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Matt McQueen would know more about it... No offence to Matt, but I don;t think he really goes out to much in chicago. Atomly goes out every night0 so he would probably know better.
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embarrassed for him for crashing mixes and distroting the system. embarrassed for the mindless people who didn't seem to notice. embarrassed for my friends who got wasted just to enjoy themselves (once it was clear the music wouldn't do) embarrassed for the out-of-towners who travelled miles for something special embarrassed for the soundguy who wasn't 'allowed' to make the most obvious technical corrections to the mixer that Mills had jacked embarrassed for this culture for continuing to hold up someone who so clearly doesn't deserve it anymore embarrassed for myself for never learning my lesson and continuing to bother fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me, fool me three times... On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) wrote: Embarassed about what? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 January 2004 11:43 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: /0; 313@hyperreal.org; atomly Subject: Re: (313) axis having been disappointed (borderline embarrased) the last 3 times I've seen mills- i don't think you could pay me to leave the house and go see him. maybe if i was already there... or if everyoen i know was going, making it more of a social thing. On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess its his choice exactly. I still would pay 15 bux to go see him as would I I think too many people expect too much from him or come to his shows with expectations of what a Jeff Mills show is and then when he doesn't deliver their preconceived notion they get in his face. I know it's happened because he's mentioned it on his discussion board. I don't think Detroit is under him - possibly he thinks it's behind him, as in his past. Maybe there's bad memories - who the f*ck but Jeff Mills and those whom he's told really know so people should just let the man be and go see him where he *does* play. and the high price on the limited 3x12 - well maybe he figures he has to make his money NOW because maybe he figures who ever is going to buy it will upload it to soulseek or what ever file share they are using and then everyone will have it for free. MEK /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] mi.net cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) axis 01/14/04 05:20 PM its his loss at this point. maybe he's afraid he cant compete with the new talents coming out of detroit now. maybe detroits under him. I guess its his choice, theres more gig opportunity than there is mills to go around even tho he still plays the same records as 3 years ago, I still would pay 15 bux to go see him if he could stomach a night in detroit :) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 5:49 PM Subject: Re: (313) axis Well isn't that a pompous response? No - it wasn't pompous, it was sarcastic. Crack a dictionary. Do you know when the last time Jeff Mills was hired to play in Chicago? Or the last time he was offered to play there? Just because he's from Detroit or lives in Chicago doesn't obligate him to play there - I could imagine that there *could* exist for him many personal issues with people in Detroit (or Chicago) that would cause him to say to himself - you know, self, I'd only go back to Detroit if I was given a million dollars I think artists/musicians/whatever have a responsibility to their community beyond just releasing records-- As several people have stated - Jeff does give back to his community - he just doesn't do it in the public eye for loads of attention or to get the ok from people like yourself. It's called being humble. but instead is essentially plundering and pilfering whatever he can from the apparently willing fans. I'd still like to know what you think you are personally being robbed of. You've seen him at a bar - are you pissed because he's relaxing instead of DJing? I've known many DJs and artists who live in Minneapolis but don't play here. They prefer to play in Europe or other cities because they get a better response and they like to keep the city they live in as a sort of quiet retreat from where they perform. makes sense to me MEK atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org m cc: Subject: Re: (313) axis 01/14/04 04:18 PM [EMAIL PROTECTED] I agree - all those Jeff Mills records I
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So, how come that new Jeff Mills project is £10.99 per twelve? That's £32.97 if you want the triple LP. ($60.50 Eu47.80) See The Light. I certainly have Jeff, I've seen your porsche and all, you thieving git. and that Mahogani. £7.49 for half a one sided 12? pah. Is there a reason? am I missing something? answers on a postcard please. many thanks. alex *pricing watchdog co-ordinator* or *moaning dumb fool mug punter* _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring