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fab: think its just the appealI mean it obviusly appeals more to men than women. So considering that female djs are already scarce, couple that with the macho appeal of technothere you have it! No women djs! nick: So you're saying that girls like soft, girly music instead? Maybe girls just aren't as creative, or are concerned with other things... I dunno... Yeah I think so... I think it's to do with the breasts and the womb. Maybe the larger the breast size the less into techno they are (implants aren't included here). I think it's also a womb thing coz when a women sheds the lining of her uterus every month she also sheds brain cells, only a few but it adds up! And it's totally linked to the fact that while a boy becomes a man at 18 it takes a girl about 60 years to become a woman. Yes, it's definitely a girl womb thing. Or maybe... it's 2000 years of institutionalised societal oppression and exploitation? ;) tgif emma mee-thod -it's in the way that you groove it-
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On Thu, 5 Oct 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For alot of women, techno is just bang bang bang repeatedly. With house its slower and they can actually groove their thang to it. House or (Trance) do have a softer, happier edge which doesn't feel threatening. Not me though, bang bang bang is the way to go! I love techno! Whoohoo! i dunno, my girlfriend loves hard techno, but can't stand that deep house crap that you listen to. glyn
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I really just think it has to do with the way most males look down at woman in general, and how some woman don't take how society wants them to look act and everything eles into consideration. I currently am the only girl out of 16 guys to be taking a Cisco networking class at my high school. I am one of the girls that frequently gets pushed out of the way while trainspotting and the way djs are moving their hands or twisting knobs. Many guys I just meet snub me out of conversations for a while till I spit some knowledge. Not only am I a girl but I'm also 17 so I get looked down upon by other woman a little bit older. I love when some guy looks through my crate and is like ummm whoa u have nice records u actually have some techno. Then after having to earn my friendships with those more elitest guys I have to answer the other females who always think that I'm stealing their man or something because they don't see many girls in the techno scene nor do alot of them understand that I can have a conversation about music or djing techniques or something that doesn't involve anything sexual at all. I know this doesn't hold true for all guys and all girls but for a great deal it does. Maybe if there are any of u on this list quick to nudge a girl out so u can get a bit closer to the dj(this happened much at recordtime last week) take a second and think...maybe there are some girls out there who actually know a thing or two and aren't just looking at how hot the dj is or standing taking up space next to their boyfriend. peace -Stacey
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does trainspotting = trainwrecking?? im from jerzee..never heard trainspotting.
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It's got nothing to do with creativity. In the arts in general -- writing, visual arts, and forms of music outside of dance music, women are much better represented. I think at the University of Iowa if you look at the College of Music, Art and the Writer's workshop, it's pretty much an even split. kent williams -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mp3.com/chaircrusher -- tunes http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=chaircrusher -- mix On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, b3kka wrote: k, u didn't just say women are less creative now did you. cuz i don't think that's the case at all. hence my project, to dispell such myths and get to the real issues...of which i believe there are many practical and theoretical aspects. but not the idea that women are less creative...by any means...or this notion of girly music. bekka. - Original Message - From: Nick Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fab137 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [313] R: [313] women and electronic music So you're saying that girls like soft, girly music instead? Maybe girls just aren't as creative, or are concerned with other things... I dunno... ___ Why pay for something you could get for free? NetZero provides FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I also think women should use a little of that sexuality God gave us in the sets. Well I can say I have my crush's on certain femmes in the DJ trade, but I'm not gonna say who. ;P It's not necessarily because of any shakin' but it's more of the whole aura. Clinging to the topic by a thread... I booked a female DJ named Sherry Castro who's set to play at Forans (Emerald Nights) in two weeks. Sherry grew up in the D and lives here now, and has spent time in New York. She has been spinning disco-house since 1978. I am very proud to host her. All feminine DJs please step forward! HP
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I received the best compliment about my spinning anyone could ever dream of from a woman when I played in Finland at Koneisto last month. Women are quicker to give compliments, in my experiences, while alot of guys feel inferior giving them. I'm going to stop posting about this I promise. Steve tristan watkins wrote: Oh, and to add more fuel to the flame, I seem to remember reading an interview with Christian Vogel where he spoke about women loving his music. The idea was that he recognized a better response to his music in women vs. men, and with women responding to his music versus other similar techno. It's probably that heady funk he's got that drives the ladies crazy. BTW, this was a while ago, when he was only making techno. Who knows? There's probably something to it, be if he can't figure out what it is beyond a vague description, then I'm not going to try. All I know is, I gotta start making music like that. ;) Tristan __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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In a message dated 05/10/00 15:49:52 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From just reading the list, there are a lot women DJs out there. I haven't heard of all these women but I'm about to log on to the sisterdjs.com list. Speaking of women techno DJ's, whats become of Gayle San? I havent heard anything about her for ages. I heard her play once a couple of years ago, and she was probably better than anyone else who played on that night. She has put out at least a couple of good records as well. I think she is an excellent example of someone who really tried hard and made it, being a woman must make it hard, and coming from Singapore probably doubles it. Aaron P.S. - if anyone wants to check her out, she's got a mix up on netmix.com, in the techno archives.
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See what I mean? --- Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok... I have been trying to avoid making a post, but it seems i can't hold myself back. I would like to comment on a few things mentioned here today as well as relate some of my own experiences. I think Holly is making some interesting points but based on my own personal experiences I can't get my head around this notion that women aren't into abstract ideas. But the fact that I think you work in computers Holly means you must have the kind of mind usually accredited to males - focussed and able to understand technology, etc. Women's academic performance in Australia is by far ahead of males and they stay at school longer, so the authorities are really concerned - it would seem that female students here have the focus and analytical abilities and there could be cultural reasons for this. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/
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see what I mean? --- Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok... I have been trying to avoid making a post, but it seems i can't hold myself back. I would like to comment on a few things mentioned here today as well as relate some of my own experiences. I think Holly is making some interesting points but based on my own personal experiences I can't get my head around this notion that women aren't into abstract ideas. But the fact that I think you work in computers Holly means you must have the kind of mind usually accredited to males - focussed and able to understand technology, etc. Women's academic performance in Australia is by far ahead of males and they stay at school longer, so the authorities are really concerned - it would seem that female students here have the focus and analytical abilities and there could be cultural reasons for this. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/
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--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Holly is making some interesting points but based on my own personal experiences I can't get my head around this notion that women aren't into abstract ideas. But the fact that I think you work in computers Holly means you must have the kind of mind usually accredited to males - focussed and able to understand technology, etc. Women's academic performance in Australia is by far ahead of males and they stay at school longer, so the authorities are really concerned - it would seem that female students here have the focus and analytical abilities and there could be cultural reasons for this. i don't think women have any less intellectual skill at all. and it's not that we can't grasp abstract ideas. i was very into abstract ideas and philosophy when i was young. but now, as with a lot of things, i can't justify spending time thinking about something that is not going to directly impact my life. i know what i think. i don't have to think about it. but that's just me... I was talking to a friend about such things a few weeks ago. Most ppl seem to avoid deep thought totally, whereas some ppl enjoy it... I reckon that ppl only know what they want to know or what they can easily accept and it's entirely dependant on the individual... l8r, Nick (Dj Pacific:) __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/
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I currently am the only girl out of 16 guys to be taking a Cisco networking class at my high school... Not only am I a girl but I'm also 17 so I get looked down upon by other woman a little bit older. Yeah, I'm doing Computing at college and there were only like 4 girls when we started... now we're down to 2 because lots of ppl dropped out... it's a very difficult course u c. Maybe there is something in girls not liking techno and IT and stuff like that? I dunno, it seems to me that most girls look at their (sometimes imagined) limitations first rather than just going for the target. Whereas guys have a tendancy to do first, think after (or not think at all:). It's fact that men and women's brains are wired slightly differently, I don't think this makes one more intelligent or able than the other tho... Men and women process information differently that's all... Nick (Dj Pacific:) __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/
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trainspotting Knowing all about each and every tune... ever.. in the history of time... trainspotters are the fanatics... like me really... trainwrecking messing your mix up and losing the flow completely thus getting your crowd peeved so they all go to the bar instead... also sounds like me... l8r, Nick (Dj Pacific:) __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/
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the fact that there were only 4 girls willing to try should tell you something about the way things are. i won't bore you too much with things, but we don't live in a vacuum. societal norms, rules, laws, etc. influences everything and everyone. 2 girls dropping out of the class when there were only 4 is a large percentage. the limitations aren't imaged, they are real because of the images of females we are constently bombarded with. people can'tdistance themselves from the problem, because that only adds to it. in fact, doing so makes it easier to justify unjust actions, and to construct an image of a person who is at fault because of their situation and their inability to change it, instead of seeing how we are all related, and how we perpetuate these injustices, and trying to resolve them for real. it's the same with race and class issues...very complicated, but i won't go there. maia --On Fri, Oct 6, 2000 7:56 AM -0700 Nick Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I currently am the only girl out of 16 guys to be taking a Cisco networking class at my high school... Not only am I a girl but I'm also 17 so I get looked down upon by other woman a little bit older. Yeah, I'm doing Computing at college and there were only like 4 girls when we started... now we're down to 2 because lots of ppl dropped out... it's a very difficult course u c. Maybe there is something in girls not liking techno and IT and stuff like that? I dunno, it seems to me that most girls look at their (sometimes imagined) limitations first rather than just going for the target. Whereas guys have a tendancy to do first, think after (or not think at all:). It's fact that men and women's brains are wired slightly differently, I don't think this makes one more intelligent or able than the other tho... Men and women process information differently that's all... Nick (Dj Pacific:) __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Well of course, it was just something that I mentioned that she can try. In a message dated 10/6/00 9:35:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One tip my brother has taught me is if once you mix one record into another and you hear it goes off beat, it means the record you mixed in is too fast and needs to be slowed down. Try it, hope that would help. Glyph- I'm sure your brother was just trying to help, but that's not always the case. The record could be faster or slower Mixing is something you really have to figure out for yourself. You have to develope the ability to tell when a record will go offbeat, before it does, and accomodate it. Regards, Dennis
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Hi ppl, As to why more women aren't doing it, it beats me. Sexism is a factor everywhere One thing I've always noticed is the abnormally high number of males compared to females in techno clubs worldwide. I think its just the appealI mean it obviusly appeals more to men than women. So considering that female djs are already scarce, couple that with the macho appeal of technothere you have it! No women djs! So you're saying that girls like soft, girly music instead? Maybe girls just aren't as creative, or are concerned with other things... I dunno... l8r, Nick (Dj Pacific:) __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/
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Yes, so it is a world wide problem with mostly man visiting techno parties. I wonder why? ;-) But even in Italy who would have tought. And then you go and visit house parties and the place is filled with woman. Wondering why? Jan Claeyssens -Original Message- From: fab137 [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 4:25 PM To: Kent williams; 313@hyperreal.org Subject:[313] R: [313] women and electronic music As to why more women aren't doing it, it beats me. Sexism is a factor everywhere One thing I've always noticed is the abnormally high number of males compared to females in techno clubs worldwide. I think its just the appealI mean it obviusly appeals more to men than women. So considering that female djs are already scarce, couple that with the macho appeal of technothere you have it! No women djs! bye fab - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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One major biological reason seems to be that women simply aren't as obsessive as men (sure, there are exceptions as with all things). Obsessiveness (hmm, my spell checker doesn't recognise this word!!) is a key factor in the time it takes to learn to DJ, learn to write tracks etc. This is pointed out quite early on in Last Night A DJ Saved My Life, which I have just started to read! cheers, Dan http://www.mp3.com/DanButler http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1267/index.html -Original Message- From: fab137 [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 October 2000 15:25 To: Kent williams; 313 Subject: [313] R: [313] women and electronic music As to why more women aren't doing it, it beats me. Sexism is a factor everywhere One thing I've always noticed is the abnormally high number of males compared to females in techno clubs worldwide. I think its just the appealI mean it obviusly appeals more to men than women. So considering that female djs are already scarce, couple that with the macho appeal of technothere you have it! No women djs! bye fab - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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k, u didn't just say women are less creative now did you. cuz i don't think that's the case at all. hence my project, to dispell such myths and get to the real issues...of which i believe there are many practical and theoretical aspects. but not the idea that women are less creative...by any means...or this notion of girly music. bekka. - Original Message - From: Nick Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fab137 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [313] R: [313] women and electronic music So you're saying that girls like soft, girly music instead? Maybe girls just aren't as creative, or are concerned with other things... I dunno... ___ Why pay for something you could get for free? NetZero provides FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html
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BIOLOGICAL bullshit. From just reading the list, there are a lot women DJs out there. I haven't heard of all these women but I'm about to log on to the sisterdjs.com list. The music industry like everything else is male dominated. That's probably why we/I don't know about these women. They are out there but who's promoting them? KHand had to stop to giving info to this list because sexist men wanted to compete with her gigs. Sexism says that women Djs are not real Djs. Five
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u really think it's a question of obsessiveness?! what about the gatekeeping factors and everything else that women have to endure to make it in a predominantly male scene. i can't believe u just said that! or the fact that technological has predominantly been seen and treated as part of the public sphere which has until recently been occupied solely by men? there are a ton of factors that come into play here. women are not BIOLOGICALLY less obsessive than men...it's CULTURAL and not biological. k, i'll try to stop now. but this project is definitely going to happen. so for everyone who's responded to my plea for help thus far...thank u very much and you'll be hearing from me soon...cuz it's about time. bekka. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] One major biological reason seems to be that women simply aren't as obsessive as men (sure, there are exceptions as with all things). Obsessiveness (hmm, my spell checker doesn't recognise this word!!) is a key factor in the time it takes to learn to DJ, learn to write tracks etc NetZero Free Internet Access and Email_ Download Now http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html Request a CDROM 1-800-333-3633 ___
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IOLOGICAL bullshit. From just reading the list, there are a lot women DJs out there. I haven't heard of all these women but I'm about to log on to the sisterdjs.com list. The music industry like everything else is male dominated. That's probably why we/I don't know about these women. They are out there but who's promoting them? KHand had to stop to giving info to this list because sexist men wanted to compete with her gigs. Sexism says that women Djs are not real Djs. Five
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i was very intimated during the very few times i've djed in public, and i'm still intimated when i have to prove to other djs, usually males, that i know what i'm doing. at times, i feel as if i can be nothing more that the dj whore trailing all the djs. i get really self-conscious when i'm the only female trainspotting, even though i know i only go to clubs to see djs, to watch their techniques, and to hear records i might want to buy. i also, i spin primarily techno in the realm of mills, beyer, surgeon, etc., and it's hard enough finding female techno role models who spin this type of techno. i haven't even found an african american female role model ever. it seems that a lot of female spin house or more housy techno, so i'm also happy to find female djs spinning more harder or weirder stuff. currently i'm not djing anymore for reasons beyond my control. maia --On Thu, Oct 5, 2000 4:25 PM +0200 fab137 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As to why more women aren't doing it, it beats me. Sexism is a factor everywhere One thing I've always noticed is the abnormally high number of males compared to females in techno clubs worldwide. I think its just the appealI mean it obviusly appeals more to men than women. So considering that female djs are already scarce, couple that with the macho appeal of technothere you have it! No women djs! bye fab - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- b3kka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: k, u didn't just say women are less creative now did you. cuz i don't think that's the case at all. hence my project, to dispell such myths and get to the real issues...of which i believe there are many practical and theoretical aspects. but not the idea that women are less creative...by any means...or this notion of girly music. Yeah, this is what I thought, I reckon a lot of girls just can't be bothered. You get woman painters and sculpters etc, they just don't wanna get involved with music so much tho... Controversy is a good tool for getting conversation No offence with that less creative statement... l8r, Nick(Dj Pacific:) __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/
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thanks for sharing that Maia. Let us know when you are spinning again. I hear you. Five
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Sexism says that women Djs are not real Djs. I don't think so... They have women's football... that's a male dominated scene. If they wanna do it they can, the likes of K.Hand prove this. They just don't get involved, they're in no more danger in the dj box than if they were on the dancefloor. The toilets is where you get mugged anyhow... What are they scared of? Most male dj's and promoters I know want more women in the scene... l8r, Nick (Dj Pacific:) __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/
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i debate. As I sit here and listen to this CD i got asked to review (St.Germain,Tourist) my FIRST instict was that i wanted it on vinyl. when i hear a track I have to stop my conversation to listen to it or point it out or find out what it is. passion does not know gender, my friend. d From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] R: [313] women and electronic music Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:32:22 +0100 One major biological reason seems to be that women simply aren't as obsessive as men (sure, there are exceptions as with all things). Obsessiveness (hmm, my spell checker doesn't recognise this word!!) is a key factor in the time it takes to learn to DJ, learn to write tracks etc. This is pointed out quite early on in Last Night A DJ Saved My Life, which I have just started to read! cheers, Dan http://www.mp3.com/DanButler http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1267/index.html -Original Message- From: fab137 [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 October 2000 15:25 To:Kent williams; 313 Subject: [313] R: [313] women and electronic music As to why more women aren't doing it, it beats me. Sexism is a factor everywhere One thing I've always noticed is the abnormally high number of males compared to females in techno clubs worldwide. I think its just the appealI mean it obviusly appeals more to men than women. So considering that female djs are already scarce, couple that with the macho appeal of technothere you have it! No women djs! bye fab - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
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--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i was very intimated during the very few times i've djed in public, and i'm still intimated when i have to prove to other djs, usually males, that i know what i'm doing. at times, i feel as if i can be nothing more that the dj whore trailing all the djs. i get really self-conscious when i'm the only female trainspotting, even though i know i only go to clubs to see djs, to watch their techniques, and to hear records i might want to buy. i also, i spin primarily techno in the realm of mills, beyer, surgeon, etc., and it's hard enough finding female techno role models who spin this type of techno. i haven't even found an african american female role model ever. it seems that a lot of female spin house or more housy techno, so i'm also happy to find female djs spinning more harder or weirder stuff. currently i'm not djing anymore for reasons beyond my control. It all depends how much you want it. Dj Kemistry... she wasn't into puffy commercial house. All the guys she worked with supported her and Storm. I'm the only detroitist in my area. In fact I'm not biased towards detroit, I play what I like but all the djs at the old pirate station I used to play at were djing pretty commercial stuff (trance). It rocked 'em tho...:) It was like me vs them in my mind... and still is cuz I'm really a very shy person... I need to prove myself... l8r, Nick (Dj Pacific:) __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/
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Here in Belgium 2 of my friends are quite succesfull woman dj's (Dj stephanie and Trish) and one of them is even the resident DJ in FUSE in Brussels. If you want to I can ask them to contact you. Just let me know. JayCee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 4:51 PM To: fab137 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject:Re: [313] R: [313] women and electronic music i was very intimated during the very few times i've djed in public, and i'm still intimated when i have to prove to other djs, usually males, that i know what i'm doing. at times, i feel as if i can be nothing more that the dj whore trailing all the djs. i get really self-conscious when i'm the only female trainspotting, even though i know i only go to clubs to see djs, to watch their techniques, and to hear records i might want to buy. i also, i spin primarily techno in the realm of mills, beyer, surgeon, etc., and it's hard enough finding female techno role models who spin this type of techno. i haven't even found an african american female role model ever. it seems that a lot of female spin house or more housy techno, so i'm also happy to find female djs spinning more harder or weirder stuff. currently i'm not djing anymore for reasons beyond my control. maia --On Thu, Oct 5, 2000 4:25 PM +0200 fab137 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As to why more women aren't doing it, it beats me. Sexism is a factor everywhere One thing I've always noticed is the abnormally high number of males compared to females in techno clubs worldwide. I think its just the appealI mean it obviusly appeals more to men than women. So considering that female djs are already scarce, couple that with the macho appeal of technothere you have it! No women djs! bye fab - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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you know some nice guys.
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I was involved with a crew in columbus that promoted/supported women dj's and musicians in the exact same manner as any male dj's. Personally, I think women have a better natural ability to pick up on dj'ing and producing music. Biologically it's been shown that women have a predisposed talent in detail-oriented tasks; something definitely worthwhile when learning to beatmatch, or make music. I'll never forget the first time my girlfriend went to my turntables...she matched a beat on her very first try. Luck? Doubt it...she had a natural knack. She showed the same talent when she all of the sudden decided to make a track on her own. So why aren't there more? My thought is that a lot of girls lack the confidence to really go for it. Let me explain myself before I get scorched =] Confidence is probably hard to come by for a lot of women because it is such a male dominated scene right now. Plus, there are going to be skeptics who expect women dj's to prove themselves...that equates to more work to get to the same point as a male in some cases. Some may not even think about trying it if they don't see other women doing the same thing... Again though, I was lucky to be involved in a crew where we did support the female talent...if you're good, you're good. I for one really enjoy seeing women behind the decks; on the whole, the women dj's I've seen have been extremely charismatic and could really get the crowd pumping. GYS -Original Message- From: Nick Walsh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 11:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] R: [313] women and electronic music Sexism says that women Djs are not real Djs. I don't think so... They have women's football... that's a male dominated scene. If they wanna do it they can, the likes of K.Hand prove this. They just don't get involved, they're in no more danger in the dj box than if they were on the dancefloor. The toilets is where you get mugged anyhow... What are they scared of? Most male dj's and promoters I know want more women in the scene... l8r, Nick (Dj Pacific:) __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Isn't that a bit of a sweeping statement in itself - it's cultural, not biological? Sure, there must be hundreds of factors why women aren't as well presented as men, that's the whole point in undertaking such a difficult project right? I was simply pointing out one factor that immediately occurs to me. I'd say most people on this list are at least a little obsessive about techno, that's the reason we read it day in day out. cheers, Dan http://www.mp3.com/DanButler http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1267/index.html -Original Message- From: b3kka [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 October 2000 14:48 To: 313 Subject: Re: [313] R: [313] women and electronic music u really think it's a question of obsessiveness?! what about the gatekeeping factors and everything else that women have to endure to make it in a predominantly male scene. i can't believe u just said that! or the fact that technological has predominantly been seen and treated as part of the public sphere which has until recently been occupied solely by men? there are a ton of factors that come into play here. women are not BIOLOGICALLY less obsessive than men...it's CULTURAL and not biological. k, i'll try to stop now. but this project is definitely going to happen. so for everyone who's responded to my plea for help thus far...thank u very much and you'll be hearing from me soon...cuz it's about time. bekka. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] One major biological reason seems to be that women simply aren't as obsessive as men (sure, there are exceptions as with all things). Obsessiveness (hmm, my spell checker doesn't recognise this word!!) is a key factor in the time it takes to learn to DJ, learn to write tracks etc NetZero Free Internet Access and Email_ Download Now http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html Request a CDROM 1-800-333-3633 ___ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I don't doubt that you are as passionate about it is anyone else. But then what's this list's ratio of men to women? No less than the ratio in most techno/electronic music clubs I'll wager. Dan -Original Message- From: Diana Potts [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 October 2000 16:07 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] R: [313] women and electronic music i debate. As I sit here and listen to this CD i got asked to review (St.Germain,Tourist) my FIRST instict was that i wanted it on vinyl. when i hear a track I have to stop my conversation to listen to it or point it out or find out what it is. passion does not know gender, my friend. d From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] R: [313] women and electronic music Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:32:22 +0100 One major biological reason seems to be that women simply aren't as obsessive as men (sure, there are exceptions as with all things). Obsessiveness (hmm, my spell checker doesn't recognise this word!!) is a key factor in the time it takes to learn to DJ, learn to write tracks etc. This is pointed out quite early on in Last Night A DJ Saved My Life, which I have just started to read! cheers, Dan http://www.mp3.com/DanButler http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1267/index.html -Original Message- From: fab137 [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 October 2000 15:25 To: Kent williams; 313 Subject: [313] R: [313] women and electronic music As to why more women aren't doing it, it beats me. Sexism is a factor everywhere One thing I've always noticed is the abnormally high number of males compared to females in techno clubs worldwide. I think its just the appealI mean it obviusly appeals more to men than women. So considering that female djs are already scarce, couple that with the macho appeal of technothere you have it! No women djs! bye fab - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
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quality, not quantity. hehe, well you always have something clever to say, LOL;) It is true that there are loads of ppl on this list that never ever make a contribution. I don't know how this is related to girls djing and producing and getting involved in the scene tho. l8r, Nick:) __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/
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hmmm... sisterdj's. if you are on 313, chances are.. you won't really dig sisterdj's. it's a girl power list. which is ok, but get's old after a week. at least that was my experience for the week i was subscribed. not too mention majority of the content revolved around jungle. (no disrespect to the junglists... just not my cup of tea.) __ Manika K Arora www.umich.edu/~shanthi On Thu, 5 Oct 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BIOLOGICAL bullshit. From just reading the list, there are a lot women DJs out there. I haven't heard of all these women but I'm about to log on to the sisterdjs.com list. The music industry like everything else is male dominated. That's probably why we/I don't know about these women. They are out there but who's promoting them? KHand had to stop to giving info to this list because sexist men wanted to compete with her gigs. Sexism says that women Djs are not real Djs. Five - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Nothing to do with the famous ele-mental crew? I heard they're kind of open minded. I (indirectly) know Titonton... Really nice guy... Anyway, I prefer the equality stance as opposed to the one is better than the other way of thinking which seems to be so popular these days... l8r, Nick:) __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/
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I think this is definitely socio-cultural, more so than biological. The reason being- this is not native to electronic music - this is true to about 80% (guesstimation) of specialized fields of study, work, arts, etc. I'm sure you could join mailing lists on any style of music and find the same thread. And generally I think its not the attitude of the scene itself that suppresses female representation, but something that has been plagueing society for ages. I think its totally lame when people try to pinpoint this problem to something so scene-specific as repetitive music or some aspect that just kind of repels women- you need to look at the bigger picture. Thats the only way we're really going to overcome a problem of this magnitude. You can start taking action in a specific corner of society- but you've gotta realize that thats just the beginning. or to coin a phrase (/or bumpersticker) - think globally,act locally. please end this thread soon, thanks. -p On Thu, 5 Oct 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't that a bit of a sweeping statement in itself - it's cultural, not biological? Sure, there must be hundreds of factors why women aren't as well presented as men, that's the whole point in undertaking such a difficult project right? I was simply pointing out one factor that immediately occurs to me. I'd say most people on this list are at least a little obsessive about techno, that's the reason we read it day in day out. cheers, Dan http://www.mp3.com/DanButler http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1267/index.html -Original Message- From: b3kka [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 October 2000 14:48 To: 313 Subject:Re: [313] R: [313] women and electronic music u really think it's a question of obsessiveness?! what about the gatekeeping factors and everything else that women have to endure to make it in a predominantly male scene. i can't believe u just said that! or the fact that technological has predominantly been seen and treated as part of the public sphere which has until recently been occupied solely by men? there are a ton of factors that come into play here. women are not BIOLOGICALLY less obsessive than men...it's CULTURAL and not biological. k, i'll try to stop now. but this project is definitely going to happen. so for everyone who's responded to my plea for help thus far...thank u very much and you'll be hearing from me soon...cuz it's about time. bekka. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] One major biological reason seems to be that women simply aren't as obsessive as men (sure, there are exceptions as with all things). Obsessiveness (hmm, my spell checker doesn't recognise this word!!) is a key factor in the time it takes to learn to DJ, learn to write tracks etc NetZero Free Internet Access and Email_ Download Now http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html Request a CDROM 1-800-333-3633 ___ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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i know we all want this thread to end but ... one last comment... not that obsessiveness is anything to brag about, but if you are going to push your biological theory then look at history, women have been characterized, stereotyped for there meticulous (slightly obsessive) nature. any person who has any extreme passion whether it be art music reading, writing whatever has these obsessive qualities. and i was kind of taken by surprize when the authors of 'last night...' mentioned this. (i disagree, but whatever, nothing new...) -m __ Manika K Arora www.umich.edu/~shanthi On Thu, 5 Oct 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One major biological reason seems to be that women simply aren't as obsessive as men (sure, there are exceptions as with all things). Obsessiveness (hmm, my spell checker doesn't recognise this word!!) is a key factor in the time it takes to learn to DJ, learn to write tracks etc. This is pointed out quite early on in Last Night A DJ Saved My Life, which I have just started to read! cheers, Dan http://www.mp3.com/DanButler http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1267/index.html -Original Message- From: fab137 [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 October 2000 15:25 To: Kent williams; 313 Subject:[313] R: [313] women and electronic music As to why more women aren't doing it, it beats me. Sexism is a factor everywhere One thing I've always noticed is the abnormally high number of males compared to females in techno clubs worldwide. I think its just the appealI mean it obviusly appeals more to men than women. So considering that female djs are already scarce, couple that with the macho appeal of technothere you have it! No women djs! bye fab - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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hm is that right?
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yeah I read Artbyte and I liked their issue on Wired Women. Five
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I disagree very strongly - when you say worldwide how extensively have you travelled? One thing you have to consider is the geographic variations. In Melbourne techno events pull a very balanced crowd and there are some very good female DJs. I hear countries like Spain and Portugal are very good too. I think women respond to the music differently from my researches but are not necessarily less appreciative. I don't think you can exhaust this topic and it needs to be addressed in some way. One thing I've always noticed is the abnormally high number of males compared to females in techno clubs worldwide. I think its just the appealI mean it obviusly appeals more to men than women. So considering that female djs are already scarce, couple that with the macho appeal of technothere you have it! No women djs!
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Ok... I have been trying to avoid making a post, but it seems i can't hold myself back. I would like to comment on a few things mentioned here today as well as relate some of my own experiences. Gwendal wrote: I've always wondered why I couldn't get any of my girlfriends to listen to hours of Autechre or Surgeon ? Well, this i don't know... cause i happen to love both surgeon and autechre. Darw_n wrote: In my grandma's words, women care about plowing the fields and feeding the babies while men care about big abstract ideas... well, this is the reason that i didn't want to get into this thread, but here goes. i think that this is true. not that i have babies to feed (unless you count my dog) or fields to plow, but my spinning always comes behind my practical responsibilities. to me it is very important to create a stable environment for myself. i must have a job, know where i will live and know that i am getting my next paycheck. it would be completely impossible for me to conceive of giving up that stability in favor of exploring music. i think women tend to be more hardwired for survival and are in general less carefree than men. providing stability for a family doesn't always lend itself to energy-soaking activities like playing or making music. not that the two are mutually exclusive, but i work 10 hours per day, and then i come home and i work on consulting contracts until it is time to go to bed and then wake up at 5:00 am again. somewhere in there i find time to do housework and relax, and i go out usually only one night per week. though many find relaxation in playing and making music, for me it is just the opposite: it is frustrating and stressful. which brings me to my next point: Todd Gys wrote: Personally, I think women have a better natural ability to pick up on dj'ing and producing music. Biologically it's been shown that women have a predisposed talent in detail-oriented tasks; something definitely worthwhile when learning to beatmatch, or make music. I'll never forget the first time my girlfriend went to my turntables...she matched a beat on her very first try. Luck? Doubt it...she had a natural knack. She showed the same talent when she all of the sudden decided to make a track on her own. either i am mentally retarded, or your girlfriend has a knack that is just a knack and not biological. if turntablism were biological, there would be female equivalents of jeff mills, claude young, q-bert and craze. and there aren't. I have been listening to dance music for nearly ten years. It seemed to me, that when i got my tables and mixer setup, it would come naturally. of course i will be good at this i thought. how could i not be? i know exactly when a mix is on or off, i mix tracks in my head. i am a relentless dj critic. but when the time came, and i got my own setup, i was presented with only frustration. i can beatmatch. that is not the problem. the problem is that i cannot tell which record is faster. with two of the same records, i can rock it... but it can take the whole length of a record two or three times over for me to get them the same speed. and i count. but, i just am not good at it. not yet. i am not discouraged. i am sure i will be able to do it in the future. but i get very frustrated, and this frustration leads me to avoiding it. now, i have to say, this is not usually my way. in most cases, when encountered with a challenge, i see it as an opportunity to win. to test and prove myself. but with music it is different. i guess because it hasn't come easily - and i am one of those people who is good at everything. how could i not be good at this thing that i love so much? so, in the mean time, i have to set aside serious time to practice. and it will come. but it takes a lot of time, and time is not something that i have a lot of. i would rather spend my time earning money. i am sure, once i can mix, it will be a joy and a pleasure, i just hope that is soon. ok, on to other things... experiences as a female into electronic music: - enter record store. ask clerk if they have x. oh, we onnly have that on vinyl, not on CD. this is my most despised encounter. - ask dj (who doesn't know me) what is x track? oh, it's just a record. ya muthaf*ker but what record? second most despised thing that every happened (only twice) - people assuming you are a dj girlfriend or dj whore or just a profiler - guys in the scene assuming that you don't know about labels or artists or history - people tend to think that if you are a girl, you like the music because it is a good soundtrack for raving or clubbing or something... that it is not music to you, or that you can't be passionate about it. in general, you need to earn respect as a female in the scene. people assume that you don't measure up. but i have NEVER EVER encountered sexism after someone figured me out. in terms of people being skeptical of others... i
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Ok... I have been trying to avoid making a post, but it seems i can't hold myself back. I would like to comment on a few things mentioned here today as well as relate some of my own experiences. I think Holly is making some interesting points but based on my own personal experiences I can't get my head around this notion that women aren't into abstract ideas. But the fact that I think you work in computers Holly means you must have the kind of mind usually accredited to males - focussed and able to understand technology, etc. Women's academic performance in Australia is by far ahead of males and they stay at school longer, so the authorities are really concerned - it would seem that female students here have the focus and analytical abilities and there could be cultural reasons for this.
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I think Holly is making some interesting points but based on my own personal experiences I can't get my head around this notion that women aren't into abstract ideas. But the fact that I think you work in computers Holly means you must have the kind of mind usually accredited to males - focussed and able to understand technology, etc. Women's academic performance in Australia is by far ahead of males and they stay at school longer, so the authorities are really concerned - it would seem that female students here have the focus and analytical abilities and there could be cultural reasons for this. i don't think women have any less intellectual skill at all. and it's not that we can't grasp abstract ideas. i was very into abstract ideas and philosophy when i was young. but now, as with a lot of things, i can't justify spending time thinking about something that is not going to directly impact my life. i know what i think. i don't have to think about it. but that's just me... peace, h
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spiral tribe had some cool female djs (ixi...) that introduced me to techno in 93. in the first couple of years, and 93 may already be late, the techno/rave scene in europe was also carried by the idea of a certain asexuality and the dissolvement of gender stereotypes... induced maybe partly by the massive use of lsd/ecstasy and the deterritorialized situation of the scene. havent seen many female djs back then either though. the equation hard(techno)=macho is based on the traditional male view of the woman ...i miei 2 centesimi armin np - khan - orgien
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For alot of women, techno is just bang bang bang repeatedly. With house its slower and they can actually groove their thang to it. House or (Trance) do have a softer, happier edge which doesn't feel threatening. Not me though, bang bang bang is the way to go! I love techno! Whoohoo! =) G l y p h In a message dated 10/5/00 9:32:38 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, so it is a world wide problem with mostly man visiting techno parties. I wonder why? ;-) But even in Italy who would have tought. And then you go and visit house parties and the place is filled with woman. Wondering why?
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I heard there is a new Red Planet record coming out called, Women Are From Venus. Seriously though. I think the most valuable parts of this thread can be taken from the anecdotes. These are the women of 313 for crying out loud! Listen to the authorities. As a rule I hate the biological discussion of the sexes. This is all too neat and tidy when we all know people who buck the tendencies, whether they be biological or cultural in origin, and if we can even figure out what they're supposed to be. While it's true that there aren't as many high profile female producers and DJs I think this is changing and will continue to do so as more women become prominent. This is even happening now. Minx had one of the best sets at DEMF. I can't remember the name of the four woman DJ collective from Chicago, but they were just on a US tour. Collette is a part of it and she rocks my world. Things are changing for the better. And as far as anyone stepping to the turntables and matching a beat on their first try goes, it's unheard of. My old roomate who picks up everything he tries in no time flat (he learned to ollie in 5 minutes) tried to match doubles of M5 for two or three trips through the record with no success. Let's face it. For 99.99% of us it takes training and continual practice to be able to mix well. Listening that precisely is not something you pick up off the street. Tristan __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/
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Oh, and to add more fuel to the flame, I seem to remember reading an interview with Christian Vogel where he spoke about women loving his music. The idea was that he recognized a better response to his music in women vs. men, and with women responding to his music versus other similar techno. It's probably that heady funk he's got that drives the ladies crazy. BTW, this was a while ago, when he was only making techno. Who knows? There's probably something to it, be if he can't figure out what it is beyond a vague description, then I'm not going to try. All I know is, I gotta start making music like that. ;) Tristan __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/
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In a message dated 10/5/00 9:51:11 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i was very intimated during the very few times i've djed in public, and i'm still intimated when i have to prove to other djs, usually males, that i know what i'm doing. at times, i feel as if i can be nothing more that the dj whore trailing all the djs. i get really self-conscious when i'm the only female trainspotting, even though i know i only go to clubs to see djs, to watch their techniques, and to hear records i might want to buy. Look here girlfriendDO NOT feel intimidated, they're just guys, nothing more. =) I also think women should use a little of that sexuality God gave us in the sets. I've seen my very good friend, DJ Elektra from Canada spin for the first time at T-1000's birthday party this year and all the guys love her. She plays hard techno, tweaks, cuts the crossfader back and forth, on beat too and she would do a little dance inbetween mixes. Nothing wrong with that. Just make it fun, everyone seems to forget about that. i also, i spin primarily techno in the realm of mills, beyer, surgeon, etc., A YEAH We definitely need more female hard techno dj's. Don't give up girl! =) Its a shame for me because I love this stuff and I have access to the equipment and can't seem to wrap my head around itI've always got so much other stuff to do. I need to lock myself in a room with it. G.I have a general idea of how to match beats, just need more practice. and it's hard enough finding female techno role models who spin this type of techno. i haven't even found an african american female role model ever. it seems that a lot of female spin house or more housy techno, so i'm As for African American female dj's, check out DJ Minx of Women on Wax although she spins house (I think.) Keep on keepin' on, G l y p h also happy to find female djs spinning more harder or weirder stuff. currently i'm not djing anymore for reasons beyond my control. maia
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I totally agree overall with your comments, Holly. I can certainly relate, it does get frustrating. One tip my brother has taught me is if once you mix one record into another and you hear it goes off beat, it means the record you mixed in is too fast and needs to be slowed down. Try it, hope that would help. And pitch, Ladies! Always mess with the pitch control on those Techs! This is my 17th year of being into dance music and I sure as hell never gave a guy a chance to give me trouble. I've always looked to myself to find out what I like. Ever since I started buying records on a regular basis, I would walk into the store keeping to myself, usually have my big headphones on and just go at it at the bins. Pulling out what looks interesting and give it a listen and by doing that you'll establish your own knowledge of labels, artists, and discover what your tastes are in this big umbrella of dance music. But then again, can it just be that those who work in the stores are just plain jerks And it also helps to have a brother who also is into it that you can discuss the music with. =) Peace, G l y p h In a message dated 10/5/00 1:06:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ok, on to other things... experiences as a female into electronic music: - enter record store. ask clerk if they have x. oh, we onnly have that on vinyl, not on CD. this is my most despised encounter. - ask dj (who doesn't know me) what is x track? oh, it's just a record. ya muthaf*ker but what record? second most despised thing that every happened (only twice) - people assuming you are a dj girlfriend or dj whore or just a profiler - guys in the scene assuming that you don't know about labels or artists or history - people tend to think that if you are a girl, you like the music because it is a good soundtrack for raving or clubbing or something... that it is not music to you, or that you can't be passionate about it. in general, you need to earn respect as a female in the scene. people assume that you don't measure up. but i have NEVER EVER encountered sexism after someone figured me out. in terms of people being skeptical of others... i mean guys may think i am some dumb chick, but i usually thinkn they are some stupid punk who just came into the sh*t last year and doesn't know sh*t. so i think we are even. sometimes i am right, and sometimes i am wrong, and the same goes for them. in terms of pre-judging, i am probably harsher with women. i assume they just like the music to dance to at a club and can't tell the difference between house and techno and trance. and that is sometimes true and sometimes not. part of my judgement is because i don't like girls who give women a bad name. another part is that i always want to be the coolest chick (which i always am, unless diana is around - and then we are even - *ha*)... and another part is just the nature of female competitiveness. i used to be a promoter in detroit. i got respect from the boys club that ran the city at the time. i remember a conversation in which me and another male promoter explicitly discussed this fact. i appreciate that. to me, everyone has to prove themselves before gaining my respect, so i don't think this is a big deal. in terms of the lack of # of female djs. i think part of it is the way that guys tend to get together and do the same thing for hours and play with their tables, and play with their gear, and monopolize it. it is hard to get a minute on the decks at a party full of djs if you are a guy, let alone if you are a girl with wobbly mixing. i also think that other women have had similar problems to mine with mixing. and that combined with trying to fight their boyfriend for time on the decks (i know a lot of this goes on) can lead to being slower to catch up. a lot of female djs are being recognized and coming into their own now, though, and i think this is good. i don't like to overanalyze stuff. there is nothing that can hold women back. we can do anything. i think that we just approach things differently than men. and i don't think anyone is holding us down. blah blah, h
