Re: (313) 8 Mile - Shelter
the shelter, at leat the exterior of it as seen in 8 miles, was converted dentist office on the part of john R west of woodward near grandriver, a block north from blake baxter;s old vinyl shop and just a few doors from jerome mongo's even-earleir 90s club wax fruit and next to the gap, downtown synagogue. for the record teh shelter was a tacky blue paint and carpeted late 80s club downstairs from st andrew's hall, which hosts the three floors of fun party that morphed from an alt rock hangout into an ersatz hip-hop club around the time em and his boys came on the scene. St andrew's is sort of like irivng plaza or bowery ballroom in ny. it was remodeled into a sleek steel-and-wood nightclub in the early '90s and by the time em et al discovered downtown, it was used for touring punk bands because of its small size. the pipes-and-all version in 8 miles was a little gothic; I am shocked the directors didn't try to instead use maurice malone's late great hip-hop shop which is actually where the battles took place, there and at record time(as in great dance room record time). other than that, I thought 8 mile was the best the crow-meets-purple rain detroit hip hop movie ever. On Thu, 9 Jan 2003 12:02:25 -0800 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > nope, that's not the shelter. > even before the shelter was redone (mid 90's?), > it wasn't as grungy as the > place in the film. > > - Original Message - > From: "Cyclone Wehner" > To: "313 Detroit" > Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 11:39 AM > Subject: (313) 8 Mile - Shelter > > > > I went to see a preview of 8 Mile (we got it > sooo late) and it's great! > > It's funny most of the critics were over 50, > what they're gonna make of a > > hip-hop movie I have no idea. > > I wondered is the Shelter in the film the > actual Shelter or another > > building, I know the director aimed for > authenticity but believe some > > creative license was involved. > >
Re: (313) 8 Mile - Shelter
nope, that's not the shelter. even before the shelter was redone (mid 90's?), it wasn't as grungy as the place in the film. - Original Message - From: "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "313 Detroit" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 11:39 AM Subject: (313) 8 Mile - Shelter > I went to see a preview of 8 Mile (we got it sooo late) and it's great! > It's funny most of the critics were over 50, what they're gonna make of a > hip-hop movie I have no idea. > I wondered is the Shelter in the film the actual Shelter or another > building, I know the director aimed for authenticity but believe some > creative license was involved.
RE: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history
| -Original Message- | From: Fred Heutte [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: 18 November 2002 19:33 | | Anyway, nowadays we get more spam than real email, and Jon Drukman is | still making great music, now with his live electro-pop version of | Bass Kittens. That's good to hear that he's still around and is still making music! My experience was pretty similar; after having discovered the hyperreal mailing lists in 1993 and suddenly finding this fast-growing global electronic music movement. In fact, right the way up until 1996, the internet for me was almost exclusively a means for communicating with other like-minded people about electronic music. Usenet, mailing lists and IRC were pretty much it, as my computer was way too under-specced to actually look at web sites in those days! But I'd never realised how many Americans were actually on uk-dance, and now I come to think of it I was actually on sf-raves for a while myself... Brendan
RE: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history
It's quite possible that Jon Drukman was subbed to uk-dance a decade ago -- I was, and a lot of us west coasters joined ne-raves and dc-raves and so on for the same reason, there were a few hundred of us online worldwide and it was exciting to hook up to a truly global and co-evolving music and technology scene. It was a different world -- most of the online action was on the now- forgotten world of BBSes, AOL had less than half a million subscribers, and you could read all postings in a dozen Usenet newsgroups every day and not fall behind. It was kind of nice, actually, even at 2400 bps. Anyway, nowadays we get more spam than real email, and Jon Drukman is still making great music, now with his live electro-pop version of Bass Kittens. Fred
RE: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history
If you (I say figuratively) parse each message in a db (MySQL will suffice), then it's a case of working out the relationships between threads (reply to's, timestamps, etc). It's possible that's for sure. If anyone out there has got a breakdown of mail protocol, and standards used by the mail manager, then I can help throw some code together. Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk "A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows." > -Original Message- > From: Dan Sicko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 18 November 2002 15:39 > To: Fred Heutte > Cc: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history > > > > As for doing a searchable index of the 313 archives, Hyperreal is a > > volunteer-run system and would welcome someone coming along to hook > > up a bit of this and a bit of that and do it. As we always say, > > it's an SMOP -- simple matter of programming. > > If anyone has an idea as to how to do this without having all the > messages from the last 8 years exist as standard Web pages that can be > tracked by search engines, let me know. > > Used to be that browsers could open up the GZIPs and read them right in > the browser window, right? > > -d
RE: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history
Ouch... that one's gotta hurt. ;) Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk "A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows." (P.S. Puchaser of both Detroit and global techno... first rule of music is never to close your ears because of boundaries.) > -Original Message- > From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 18 November 2002 11:01 > To: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: RE: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history > > > > > Fred I'm not here to troll, it comes down to a difference in opinion. > > I'm here because I have an interest in 313 music, I've been > > buying Detroit > > techno since 1989. > > And why do you think we are on this list? > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > DISCLAIMER > > De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele > aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of > ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). > > Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op > de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen > garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus > vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail > berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen > te controleren. > --
Re: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history
As for doing a searchable index of the 313 archives, Hyperreal is a volunteer-run system and would welcome someone coming along to hook up a bit of this and a bit of that and do it. As we always say, it's an SMOP -- simple matter of programming. If anyone has an idea as to how to do this without having all the messages from the last 8 years exist as standard Web pages that can be tracked by search engines, let me know. Used to be that browsers could open up the GZIPs and read them right in the browser window, right? -d
Re: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history
> I was on both idm and UK-Dance, and am fairly sure that Warp used IDM > posts... I wasn't on either list at the time (I joined both in 1995 I think), so I was going on the text here... http://www.uk-dance.org/help/history.html ...which says: "Warp's Artificial Intelligence album pretentious noodling or good music? Either way, the discussion got ripped off by Warp for the cover of their AI2 compilation." Cheers, Tom
RE: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history
> Fred I'm not here to troll, it comes down to a difference in opinion. > I'm here because I have an interest in 313 music, I've been > buying Detroit > techno since 1989. And why do you think we are on this list? [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. --
RE: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history
| -Original Message- | From: Forrest L Norvell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: 18 November 2002 10:35 | > | > Sorry to be pedantic, but those postings were actually from the | > UK-Dance list, I believe... | | It's quite possible you're right, although I was on UK-Dance at about | that time and I don't remember Jon Drukman being a part of the list. I was on both idm and UK-Dance, and am fairly sure that Warp used IDM posts because, as you mention, I definitely remember Jon Drukman being quoted on the AI 2 sleeve, and, as a San Franciscan, I doubt he'd have much reason to be subbed to uk-dance! I am definitely in agreement with those who are saying that 313 has stood the test of time, so to speak, than many of the other music lists that came into existence in the early 1990s. My relationship with 313 became basically monogamous by 1995, as the IDM list stagnated and the ambient list started to fade away, and even though I've been on and off of this list over the years, no other music lists really hold my interest all that much... Brendan
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On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 10:12:28AM +, tom churchill wrote: > > Less than a year later, Warp brought out the compilation > > Artificial Intelligence 2, and Designers Republic incorporated > > postings from the idm list into their sleeve art. > > Sorry to be pedantic, but those postings were actually from the > UK-Dance list, I believe... It's quite possible you're right, although I was on UK-Dance at about that time and I don't remember Jon Drukman being a part of the list. Then again, my assertion was based on an interminable discussion thread (has there ever been any other kind?) on idm itself when AI 2 came out. It's also possible we're both right -- given the way that the messages and headers have been blenderized, they could almost have been from anywhere. Man, Greg Eden. I haven't thought of him in years. But enough counter-pedantry. I agree with Fred. 313's stayed relevant and interesting when a lot of other techno-related mailing lists have fallen to pieces. If you do ever have the time to kill reading the archives, you'll probably find it eye-opening, as I did, to see how 313 has changed over the years, in large part to mirror the changes in Detroit and perceptions of what techno is and means. About the only constants have been a fondness for Derrick May and Maurizio and squabbles over the greatness of Jeff Mills and Richie Hawtin. F -- . . . the self-reflecting image of a narcotized mind . . . ozymandias G desiderata [EMAIL PROTECTED] desperate, deathless (415)823-6356 http://www.pushby.com/forrest/ ::AOAIOXXYSZ::
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> Less than a year later, Warp brought out the compilation Artificial > Intelligence 2, and Designers Republic incorporated postings from the idm list > into their sleeve art. Sorry to be pedantic, but those postings were actually from the UK-Dance list, I believe... But I'm certainly not questioning the original point which was that 'IDM' became an established name for a genre as a result of the original Hyperreal IDM list... Cheers, Tom
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> I probably should have been more specific, Cyclone -- I was referring > to your apparently favorable comment -- "some interesting points" -- > but it's really the comments you quoted from the other email I was > disagreeing with. Nah, for me "some interesting points" usually means that I hadn't thought of it that way, and don't necessarily agree but it's something I'll think about. It's not favourable or unfavourable. ;) I actually think mailing lists are very influential. Mailing lists and web sites actually mean that many more people have an outlet to express views and post 'reviews'. Almost anyone can be a 'critic' or anyone can be a 'reviewer' and it gives people networks. I have thought that there is an elitism in some techno ranks (not necessarily 313) but I find that out on the streets and in the clubs as much as here and among a select group at that. Actually there are times when this list constitutes my social life - long hours on the computer, ya know - so I am a big defender.
Re: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history
I probably should have been more specific, Cyclone -- I was referring to your apparently favorable comment -- "some interesting points" -- but it's really the comments you quoted from the other email I was disagreeing with. I'm a pretty strong defender of 313 because it has kept going for years and years while all the other lists I joined way back when ended up sinking into a foul pit of flames and idiocy. It was almost exactly ten years ago this month that the legendary "go away Moby" thread was starting up on ne-raves; a couple years later, ne-raves lost its really unique camaraderie and became a toxic swamp of screeching about how hardcore was by far the best form of music ever made, or something. dc-raves, socal-raves, nw-raves, mw-raves, even my beloved sfraves -- all were sunk by the tragedy of write-only loudmouths. Some managed to recover and continue in reasonable fashion, but the people I knew from those lists long since disappeared, like leaving a favorite corner pub because the bar fights went from occasional distraction to ongoing nuisance. Among the public "*ave" lists I joined way back when, the honorable survivors are 313 and uk-dance. As for doing a searchable index of the 313 archives, Hyperreal is a volunteer-run system and would welcome someone coming along to hook up a bit of this and a bit of that and do it. As we always say, it's an SMOP -- simple matter of programming. phred
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You're telling me! - a searchable archive would be fantastic. There's a catch 22 for new people (one of which is me), in that it's fairly tricky to say the least that people like myself would like to make a post about something, but as we all know could be responded to with the "see the archives" reply. My mouse can only take so much scrolling before the wheel melts. :) Dscaper. Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk -Original Message- From: techno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 November 2002 06:55 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history in response to your last paragraph a searchable database for the 313 list archives would be very helpful.
Re: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history
My apologies, that was very careless of me. I was responding to Mr. Corn Warning Kent Williams on 11/17/02 10:27 PM, Cyclone Wehner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Actually, just to reiterate, I did not post these words so they are not my > arguments at all. Someone cut and paste it so it looked like 'Cyclone > wrote'... > People should take care when they cut and paste or whatever so things are > not ripped out of context or wrongly attributed to others.
Re: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history
Fred I'm not here to troll, it comes down to a difference in opinion. I'm here because I have an interest in 313 music, I've been buying Detroit techno since 1989. in response to your last paragraph a searchable database for the 313 list archives would be very helpful. on 11/17/02 10:26 PM, Fred Heutte at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I'm going to disagree with Cyclone a bit. While the 313 list has a > place in the history of Detroit techno, our discussions have long > been far more diverse than the intimations of single-mindedness > indicate. > > I've been sort of amused by how one accusation of "elitism" got > spun into this meandering ping pong battle over the meaning of 313 > or something. > > The reason 313 has thrived for so long, against numerous clueless > incoming squadrons, is that we have a lot of people here with > differing opinions and no hesitation to express them, very deep > experience, and a distaste for exactly the kind of navel-gazing of > which we are now being accused. > > Now can we get past obvious trollbait like: > > "I think your a little disillusioned if you think a small community > of fans have such a big impact on the scene." > > It's not about our "disillusionment," Stephen, as if all 313ers > could be said to have any single common view. It's about your > presuppositions of the history and interconnection between this > list and Detroit techno. > > You're welcome to your opinions on that; the more the merrier. > But I would say that the archives are readily available, and a > little bit of time skimming through them over the years might prove > to be instructive. > > phred
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Actually, just to reiterate, I did not post these words so they are not my arguments at all. Someone cut and paste it so it looked like 'Cyclone wrote'... People should take care when they cut and paste or whatever so things are not ripped out of context or wrongly attributed to others. > I'm going to disagree with Cyclone a bit. While the 313 list has a > place in the history of Detroit techno, our discussions have long > been far more diverse than the intimations of single-mindedness > indicate. > > I've been sort of amused by how one accusation of "elitism" got > spun into this meandering ping pong battle over the meaning of 313 > or something. > > The reason 313 has thrived for so long, against numerous clueless > incoming squadrons, is that we have a lot of people here with > differing opinions and no hesitation to express them, very deep > experience, and a distaste for exactly the kind of navel-gazing of > which we are now being accused. > > Now can we get past obvious trollbait like: > > "I think your a little disillusioned if you think a small community > of fans have such a big impact on the scene." > > It's not about our "disillusionment," Stephen, as if all 313ers > could be said to have any single common view. It's about your > presuppositions of the history and interconnection between this > list and Detroit techno. > > You're welcome to your opinions on that; the more the merrier. > But I would say that the archives are readily available, and a > little bit of time skimming through them over the years might prove > to be instructive. > > phred > > > > >
Re: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history
I'm going to disagree with Cyclone a bit. While the 313 list has a place in the history of Detroit techno, our discussions have long been far more diverse than the intimations of single-mindedness indicate. I've been sort of amused by how one accusation of "elitism" got spun into this meandering ping pong battle over the meaning of 313 or something. The reason 313 has thrived for so long, against numerous clueless incoming squadrons, is that we have a lot of people here with differing opinions and no hesitation to express them, very deep experience, and a distaste for exactly the kind of navel-gazing of which we are now being accused. Now can we get past obvious trollbait like: "I think your a little disillusioned if you think a small community of fans have such a big impact on the scene." It's not about our "disillusionment," Stephen, as if all 313ers could be said to have any single common view. It's about your presuppositions of the history and interconnection between this list and Detroit techno. You're welcome to your opinions on that; the more the merrier. But I would say that the archives are readily available, and a little bit of time skimming through them over the years might prove to be instructive. phred
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on 11/17/02 4:09 PM, Forrest L Norvell at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> point #2, IDM was not NAMED after the hyperreal mailing list. > > I joined [EMAIL PROTECTED] in September of 1993, soon after its > formation. The preceding summer, Warp had released the first round of > (artificial intelligence) records. Brian Behlendorf, the owner of > Hyperreal and the founder of idm, had needed a name for the new list, > and since the Warp series was called (artificial intelligence) and it > was at least partially the model for the kind of music he wanted to > discuss, I think he decided Intelligent Dance Music was as good a name > as any. To my knowledge that was the first usage of the term IDM > anywhere. Less than a year later, Warp brought out the compilation > Artificial Intelligence 2, and Designers Republic incorporated > postings from the idm list into their sleeve art. > > To me, the conclusion's pretty inescapably obvious. I stand corrected. I didn't realize the IDM list was around before the Artificial Intelligence compilations. >> >> Do people really take mailing list seriously? >> I think your a little disillusioned if you think a small community of fans >> have such a big impact on the scene. > > The hard core of musicians and fans that push the techno bean along > with their noses is very small. San Francisco has a pretty big > reputation in the international (intelligent) techno scene because of > people like Kit Clayton and Sutekh, and even though I'm no big cheese > in the scene, I know both of those guys and say hi when I see them at > shows. Sutekh, at least, I originally knew through the sf-raves > mailing list, and I met Kit at MAD, which was for many years the only > club night that focused on techno as such in San Francisco. > > Folks like Morgan Geist and Darshan Jesrani used to be active > participants on this list, to say nothing of the ongoing involvement > of Alan Oldham (although the list appears to have pissed him off one > time too many, more's the pity), > Sean Deason, and Todd Sines (among > others). I'm pretty sure Fabrice Lig was a poster here before he > started releasing music. The same goes for idm, where folks like CiM > were posting to the list long before they started releasing > music. It's an open-ended question (as per above) as to how > influential these lists are, but in the small and relatively closed > universe of techno, online forums have a large and growing presence. > > yrz, > Forrest I guess you have a point but that only represents a small percentage of the growing techno scene. I can name a long list of artist that are highly successful like Dave Clarke, DJ Rush, or Robert Hood (Detroit techno man of the year) who do not promote or participate on mailing list.
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On Sun, Nov 17, 2002 at 11:35:19AM -0600, techno wrote: > >> I mean there's a whole GENRE of music -- IDM -- that is NAMED > >> after a mailing list. And, I might add, the mailing list is 95% > >> of the worldwide market for the music. > > point #2, IDM was not NAMED after the hyperreal mailing list. I joined [EMAIL PROTECTED] in September of 1993, soon after its formation. The preceding summer, Warp had released the first round of (artificial intelligence) records. Brian Behlendorf, the owner of Hyperreal and the founder of idm, had needed a name for the new list, and since the Warp series was called (artificial intelligence) and it was at least partially the model for the kind of music he wanted to discuss, I think he decided Intelligent Dance Music was as good a name as any. To my knowledge that was the first usage of the term IDM anywhere. Less than a year later, Warp brought out the compilation Artificial Intelligence 2, and Designers Republic incorporated postings from the idm list into their sleeve art. To me, the conclusion's pretty inescapably obvious. > >> Does that make mailing lists influential, or just just a > >> closed feedback loop? > > Do people really take mailing list seriously? > I think your a little disillusioned if you think a small community of fans > have such a big impact on the scene. The hard core of musicians and fans that push the techno bean along with their noses is very small. San Francisco has a pretty big reputation in the international (intelligent) techno scene because of people like Kit Clayton and Sutekh, and even though I'm no big cheese in the scene, I know both of those guys and say hi when I see them at shows. Sutekh, at least, I originally knew through the sf-raves mailing list, and I met Kit at MAD, which was for many years the only club night that focused on techno as such in San Francisco. Folks like Morgan Geist and Darshan Jesrani used to be active participants on this list, to say nothing of the ongoing involvement of Alan Oldham (although the list appears to have pissed him off one time too many, more's the pity), Sean Deason, and Todd Sines (among others). I'm pretty sure Fabrice Lig was a poster here before he started releasing music. The same goes for idm, where folks like CiM were posting to the list long before they started releasing music. It's an open-ended question (as per above) as to how influential these lists are, but in the small and relatively closed universe of techno, online forums have a large and growing presence. yrz, Forrest -- . . . the self-reflecting image of a narcotized mind . . . ozymandias G desiderata [EMAIL PROTECTED] desperate, deathless (415)823-6356 http://www.pushby.com/forrest/ ::AOAIOXXYSZ::
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on 11/17/02 8:44 AM, Cyclone Wehner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Well, it's like this: to some extent, the 313 list INVENTED the sort of >> over-reverent, concerned-with-absolute-purity, hardcore trainspotter version >> of Detroit Techno. A few journalists got on the list and started spreading >> the meme to the hoi polloi. People start seeing their opinions reflected >> back at them from magazines and think they got the world on lock. >> >> I mean there's a whole GENRE of music -- IDM -- that is NAMED after a mailing >> list. And, I might add, the mailing list is 95% of the worldwide market for >> the music. > > Some interesting points. Please elaborate on point #1. Who are these so called journalists and magazines? point #2, IDM was not NAMED after the hyperreal mailing list. >> Does that make mailing lists influential, or just just a >> closed feedback loop? Do people really take mailing list seriously? I think your a little disillusioned if you think a small community of fans have such a big impact on the scene. >> And lest we forget, the whole futuristic utopian idea of techno was invented >> by Derrick May and Juan Atkins egging on British journalists some time after >> they started making the music. That could be said about the genere term "techno" but the ideology was nothing new to Juan Atkins and Derrick May. > The whole problem with journalists is >> they're writers, and they're always confusing an attractive narrative >> for reality. > > Now that is a generalisation!!! :) It seems there is a lot of aspiring writers and journalists on the 313 list.
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> Well, it's like this: to some extent, the 313 list INVENTED the sort of > over-reverent, concerned-with-absolute-purity, hardcore trainspotter version > of Detroit Techno. A few journalists got on the list and started spreading > the meme to the hoi polloi. People start seeing their opinions reflected > back at them from magazines and think they got the world on lock. > > I mean there's a whole GENRE of music -- IDM -- that is NAMED after a mailing > list. And, I might add, the mailing list is 95% of the worldwide market for > the music. Does that make mailing lists influential, or just just a > closed feedback loop? Some interesting points. > > And lest we forget, the whole futuristic utopian idea of techno was invented > by Derrick May and Juan Atkins egging on British journalists some time after > they started making the music. Sure, that was the idea, but they never said it was exclusive. I know Derrick listens to a bit of everything. The whole problem with journalists is > they're writers, and they're always confusing an attractive narrative > for reality. Now that is a generalisation!!! :)
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oh yeah I have that record/bootleg. it has a "one more time" electro mix on the flipside. I especially like the Lil Kim track which samples "French Kiss" sampling that track was way overdue! sean - Original Message - From: "Tristan Watkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FC2 Richards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "313" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 12:37 AM Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile > - Original Message - > From: "FC2 Richards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'Ian Dinsmor'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Sean Creen" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > "313 Detroit" <313@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 5:28 AM > Subject: RE: (313) 8-Mile > > > > right...looking for samples i bet...I have heard alot of slum village > stuff > > that I thought came from techno or house or something of the sort. I am > > just horrible at placing them... > > > Yeah. They bit Daft Punk's 'Veridis Quo' (from the 2nd album) and I'm pretty > sure they swiped something else pretty house/techno too. Can't recall at the > moment. I remember hearing the Daft Punk thievery in a Jan Jelinek > betalounge set and crapping myself. It's the one that has the chorus 'Where > You At, Uh Huh' IIRC. > > Tristan > = > Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com > Music: http://www.mp313.com > Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > New Mix in mp3, 'Live in Iowa City' available for > a short time from http://phonopsia.isoprax.com > > >
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- Original Message - From: "FC2 Richards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Ian Dinsmor'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Sean Creen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "313 Detroit" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 5:28 AM Subject: RE: (313) 8-Mile > right...looking for samples i bet...I have heard alot of slum village stuff > that I thought came from techno or house or something of the sort. I am > just horrible at placing them... Yeah. They bit Daft Punk's 'Veridis Quo' (from the 2nd album) and I'm pretty sure they swiped something else pretty house/techno too. Can't recall at the moment. I remember hearing the Daft Punk thievery in a Jan Jelinek betalounge set and crapping myself. It's the one that has the chorus 'Where You At, Uh Huh' IIRC. Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] New Mix in mp3, 'Live in Iowa City' available for a short time from http://phonopsia.isoprax.com
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right...looking for samples i bet...I have heard alot of slum village stuff that I thought came from techno or house or something of the sort. I am just horrible at placing them... -Original Message- From: Ian Dinsmor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 12:53 AM To: Sean Creen; Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile Here's a curve ball for the list. I was working the other night, and in walks Jay Dee, only to ask for Herbert's "Bodily Functions" LP. Behold, the paths of hip hop and "techno" cross in ways. ID > From: "Sean Creen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:48:58 - > To: "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "313 Detroit" > <313@hyperreal.org> > Subject: RE: (313) 8-Mile > > >> You forget that most hip-hop headz hate techno, > > What are you basing that comment on? I'm not having a pop at you, its just > that I've never found that to be the case at all! > > Sean. >
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ahh, right on. thx - Original Message - From: "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "313 Detroit" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 7:04 PM Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile Sometime member of The Ummah, sometime member (and producer) of Slum Village. From Detroit. > Inbox Message > > From: "::\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile > Date: 13/11/2002 11:08:02 > To: "Ian Dinsmor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Sean Creen" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > "313 Detroit" <313@hyperreal.org> > > ok who the funk is jay dee > ? > >
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Sometime member of The Ummah, sometime member (and producer) of Slum Village. From Detroit. > Inbox Message > > From: "::\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile > Date: 13/11/2002 11:08:02 > To: "Ian Dinsmor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Sean Creen" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > "313 Detroit" <313@hyperreal.org> > > ok who the funk is jay dee > ? > >
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Hey they already sample that on the new album I'm told. > Inbox Message > > From: Ian Dinsmor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile > Date: 13/11/2002 8:53:07 > To: Sean Creen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Cyclone Wehner > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 313 Detroit <313@hyperreal.org> > > Here's a curve ball for the list. > > I was working the other night, and in walks Jay Dee, only to ask for > Herbert's "Bodily Functions" LP. > > Behold, the paths of hip hop and "techno" cross in ways. > > > ID
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ok who the funk is jay dee ? - Original Message - From: "Ian Dinsmor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Sean Creen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "313 Detroit" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:53 PM Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile > Here's a curve ball for the list. > > I was working the other night, and in walks Jay Dee, only to ask for > Herbert's "Bodily Functions" LP. > > Behold, the paths of hip hop and "techno" cross in ways. > > > ID > > > From: "Sean Creen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:48:58 - > > To: "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "313 Detroit" > > <313@hyperreal.org> > > Subject: RE: (313) 8-Mile > > > > > >> You forget that most hip-hop headz hate techno, > > > > What are you basing that comment on? I'm not having a pop at you, its just > > that I've never found that to be the case at all! > > > > Sean. > > >
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Here's a curve ball for the list. I was working the other night, and in walks Jay Dee, only to ask for Herbert's "Bodily Functions" LP. Behold, the paths of hip hop and "techno" cross in ways. ID > From: "Sean Creen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:48:58 - > To: "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "313 Detroit" > <313@hyperreal.org> > Subject: RE: (313) 8-Mile > > >> You forget that most hip-hop headz hate techno, > > What are you basing that comment on? I'm not having a pop at you, its just > that I've never found that to be the case at all! > > Sean. >
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on 11/12/02 2:23 AM, Jongsma, K.J. at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > So what do you want them to do then? everybody has a website nowadays how > can information be more easier to get??? Good question, Yes you can get a great deal of information from the Internet and yes some labels like +8 do a great job cataloging all their releases but is this the case for all Detroit techno artist and labels? Some of the more obscure artist and labels? Is doing a search on the internet as convenient as having most of the information archived on DVD? I'm only throwing out a suggestion for a DVD archive because I think it would be a good idea and very beneficial for people wanting to learn more about Detroit techno. The person who was recently asking about "the rings of saturn" and who did not get his question answered is a prime example of a person who would benefit form this type of archive, thousands of questions like that could be answered on DVD. > Go and buy Britney Spears if you want easy-to-get music well buying music is another matter, anyone with a credit card should have no problem buying latest underground music.
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Almost 10 years of covering hip-hop, numerous run-ins and debates with 'headz', countless interviews - including with Busta Rhymes who said something like 'don't call my s***t techno!'. I have even asked them specifically, what do you think of styles like... A lot of it is that they don't know anything about the music. The only big name I have found with any knowledge of techno is Chad Hugo of The Neptunes. Hip-hop acts may play raves but they do it as a gig. I know hip-hop kids like Voiteck here who moved into techno and copped flak for 'betraying' hip-hop. I am sure when Eminem went along to the Wizard comeback in Detroit remembering Mills for playing hip-hop, and then when he heard the dreaded techno, he bounced. I know 'headz' whose views on techno are like Eminem's. It's the same way in which punks hated on disco - and it's often the teen male fans who are like that. I know some kids who even disapprove of DJ Craze playing drum 'n' bass. I am not talking about general hip-hop fans, I am talking 'Headz'. >>You forget that most hip-hop headz hate techno, > > What are you basing that comment on? I'm not having a pop at you, its just > that I've never found that to be the case at all! > > Sean.
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... Especially when I've seen WuTang, EPMD, and Run DMC headlining at raves all over. -Original Message- From: Sean Creen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:49 AM To: Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Subject: RE: (313) 8-Mile >You forget that most hip-hop headz hate techno, What are you basing that comment on? I'm not having a pop at you, its just that I've never found that to be the case at all! Sean.
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>You forget that most hip-hop headz hate techno, What are you basing that comment on? I'm not having a pop at you, its just that I've never found that to be the case at all! Sean.
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On Tuesday, November 12, 2002, at 07:00 AM, Cyclone Wehner wrote: What I find hard to get is the musical elitism. I think this comes across much more amplified than it really is, especially on a mailing list dedicated (on whatever sliding scale you think exists here) to Detroit techno. -d
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Yes, he is doing more production. He explained that kinda in a recent interview - was it Vibe? In future he wants to be less in the spotlight as a rapper and eventually do more production. He did a song Renegade on Jay-Z's The Blueprint. He did a song on Xzibit's album. He has produced some beats on 8 Mile. His style is gothic gritty hip-hop. I guess there's a Detroit style emerging, I hear the same kind of style of the Promatic album. > Inbox Message > > From: logic7 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: (313) 8-Mile > Date: 12/11/2002 2:18:50 > To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED] Org'" <313@hyperreal.org> > > He's been doing some production since "The Marshall Mathers LP". Dre is > usually behind the stuff that hits the radio (he's the "executive" producer > on the 3 albums Em did on Aftermath). "The Slim Shady LP" was produced > almost entirely by The Bass Brothers, with the exception of the radio cuts. > "The Eminem Show" has a lot more of his own production on it. I'm not sure > who produced Em's first album, "Infinite", but I think I remember hearing > that it was The Bass Brothers. > > -----Original Message- > From: Darren Longton (Marketing) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 8:58 AM > To: 313 Detroit > Subject: RE: (313) 8-Mile > > >>Have to give Eminem props for his production, his beats on that soundtrack > were really good. > > Did he actually DO the production? I've always heard that DRE did all the > beats...?
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Actually I think that was off too. Hey, don't diss me now Em. You forget that most hip-hop headz hate techno, it's like Detroit techno types hate electroclash or punks hating disco. It's THE CODE. > Inbox Message > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile > Date: 12/11/2002 2:48:16 > To: "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > CC: 313 Detroit <313@hyperreal.org> > > >>He says it's his personal taste - not that he's 'anti-techno' just that he > never got into it. > > So why the perceivably universal diss that "nobody listens to techno"? That > to me sounds like he's stating something beyond his personal taste. > > Just playing the devil's advocate - I think it's a funny line and a hot > tune. > > MEK > > > > >
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11/12/2002 7:17:02 AM, DJ Entropy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I like Ritchie Hawtin and Happy Hardcore at the same time, imagine that. > >Both are cheesy and stupid, yet genius, in their own ways. > >Music is music, and it all doesnt have to serve purpose, and thats *ok* Oops, I meant to say: "Music is music, and it all doesnt have to serve the *SAME purpose*, and thats *ok*" >:) > > > >11/12/2002 7:00:04 AM, "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>What I find hard to get is the musical elitism. >> >>I can understand if Detroit techno fans don't listen to DJ Sammy, but... >> >>The stereotypical fan likes electro, villifies electroclash, outright, hates >>pop, hates R&B, hates anything in the charts, maybe likes some jazz... >> >>Personally I think this has alienated people from getting into this music. >> >>You know, it's OK to like a Britney song, ya know, and like Richie Hawtin. >> >>Also I do distinctly recall that Kraftwerk had a top 40 hit once with The >>Model. >> >>We all have our prejudices, but there seems to be some secret code about >>what is OK to like and what isn't. >> >>My favourite comment was from someone who said they loved Moodymann but >>hated the gospel influence in his music. Say what? >> >>You don't find this purism among the actual producers, though. >> >> >> >>> Inbox Message >>> >>> From: techno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history >>> Date: 12/11/2002 10:20:27 >>> To: <313@hyperreal.org> >>> >>> on 11/11/02 2:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> >>> >>>>> that was my point about elitist objecting over this idea. >>>> >>>> For many people it's a job - and that is what it takes to stay on top. It's >>>> not elitist, it's survival in a crowded world. >>> >>> If information on old and obsolete techno records is putting people out of >>> business maybe they should consider a career >>> change. >>> >>>> regarding the whole section above: >>>> I don't understand. On one hand you're talking about having information put >>>> out there so that it's easier to find out about and those with genuine >>>> interest/curiosity about the music will learn about it. >>>> But then when you say that teaching yourself by reading about it, listening >>>> to DJ sets, randomly listening to old records and digging through old >>>> magazines is "a hastle and very time consuming." >>>> Who is the one with more genuine interest? The person who, without a >>>> one-stop shopping place for all things techno, goes out and finds out for >>>> themselves, dedicates time and money and goes through the "hassle" - or- >>>> the person who wants the quick and easy fix of finding everything in one >>>> place? >>> >>> I like the more practical approach of acquiring information. >>> People would just have greater understanding of the artist and labels that >>> have contributed to the Detroit techno genre. >>> >>>> The information I have in my head and the records I have are more important >>>> to me *because* I've spent sh*t loads of my time digging it all up, >>>> searching it out, and going through the hassle of it all. >>>> Sounds like you want an easy answer. >>>> >>> >>> It's only information what you do with it is what's important. >>> Besides we live in the 21st Century I like the concept of new technology >>> making old methods obsolete. >> > >--- >-Ian Entropy >(bhpc, happy vibe rec, new sample revolution, n.e. hardcore, boston) >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.djentropy.com > >Soulseek: djentropy >AIM: DJEntropy >WinMX: djentropy422 > > > > > --- -Ian Entropy (bhpc, happy vibe rec, new sample revolution, n.e. hardcore, boston) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.djentropy.com Soulseek: djentropy AIM: DJEntropy WinMX: djentropy422
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I like Ritchie Hawtin and Happy Hardcore at the same time, imagine that. Both are cheesy and stupid, yet genius, in their own ways. Music is music, and it all doesnt have to serve purpose, and thats *ok* :) 11/12/2002 7:00:04 AM, "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >What I find hard to get is the musical elitism. > >I can understand if Detroit techno fans don't listen to DJ Sammy, but... > >The stereotypical fan likes electro, villifies electroclash, outright, hates >pop, hates R&B, hates anything in the charts, maybe likes some jazz... > >Personally I think this has alienated people from getting into this music. > >You know, it's OK to like a Britney song, ya know, and like Richie Hawtin. > >Also I do distinctly recall that Kraftwerk had a top 40 hit once with The >Model. > >We all have our prejudices, but there seems to be some secret code about >what is OK to like and what isn't. > >My favourite comment was from someone who said they loved Moodymann but >hated the gospel influence in his music. Say what? > >You don't find this purism among the actual producers, though. > > > >> Inbox Message >> >> From: techno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history >> Date: 12/11/2002 10:20:27 >> To: <313@hyperreal.org> >> >> on 11/11/02 2:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> >>>> that was my point about elitist objecting over this idea. >>> >>> For many people it's a job - and that is what it takes to stay on top. It's >>> not elitist, it's survival in a crowded world. >> >> If information on old and obsolete techno records is putting people out of >> business maybe they should consider a career >> change. >> >>> regarding the whole section above: >>> I don't understand. On one hand you're talking about having information put >>> out there so that it's easier to find out about and those with genuine >>> interest/curiosity about the music will learn about it. >>> But then when you say that teaching yourself by reading about it, listening >>> to DJ sets, randomly listening to old records and digging through old >>> magazines is "a hastle and very time consuming." >>> Who is the one with more genuine interest? The person who, without a >>> one-stop shopping place for all things techno, goes out and finds out for >>> themselves, dedicates time and money and goes through the "hassle" - or- >>> the person who wants the quick and easy fix of finding everything in one >>> place? >> >> I like the more practical approach of acquiring information. >> People would just have greater understanding of the artist and labels that >> have contributed to the Detroit techno genre. >> >>> The information I have in my head and the records I have are more important >>> to me *because* I've spent sh*t loads of my time digging it all up, >>> searching it out, and going through the hassle of it all. >>> Sounds like you want an easy answer. >>> >> >> It's only information what you do with it is what's important. >> Besides we live in the 21st Century I like the concept of new technology >> making old methods obsolete. > --- -Ian Entropy (bhpc, happy vibe rec, new sample revolution, n.e. hardcore, boston) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.djentropy.com Soulseek: djentropy AIM: DJEntropy WinMX: djentropy422
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What I find hard to get is the musical elitism. I can understand if Detroit techno fans don't listen to DJ Sammy, but... The stereotypical fan likes electro, villifies electroclash, outright, hates pop, hates R&B, hates anything in the charts, maybe likes some jazz... Personally I think this has alienated people from getting into this music. You know, it's OK to like a Britney song, ya know, and like Richie Hawtin. Also I do distinctly recall that Kraftwerk had a top 40 hit once with The Model. We all have our prejudices, but there seems to be some secret code about what is OK to like and what isn't. My favourite comment was from someone who said they loved Moodymann but hated the gospel influence in his music. Say what? You don't find this purism among the actual producers, though. > Inbox Message > > From: techno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history > Date: 12/11/2002 10:20:27 > To: <313@hyperreal.org> > > on 11/11/02 2:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >>> that was my point about elitist objecting over this idea. >> >> For many people it's a job - and that is what it takes to stay on top. It's >> not elitist, it's survival in a crowded world. > > If information on old and obsolete techno records is putting people out of > business maybe they should consider a career > change. > >> regarding the whole section above: >> I don't understand. On one hand you're talking about having information put >> out there so that it's easier to find out about and those with genuine >> interest/curiosity about the music will learn about it. >> But then when you say that teaching yourself by reading about it, listening >> to DJ sets, randomly listening to old records and digging through old >> magazines is "a hastle and very time consuming." >> Who is the one with more genuine interest? The person who, without a >> one-stop shopping place for all things techno, goes out and finds out for >> themselves, dedicates time and money and goes through the "hassle" - or- >> the person who wants the quick and easy fix of finding everything in one >> place? > > I like the more practical approach of acquiring information. > People would just have greater understanding of the artist and labels that > have contributed to the Detroit techno genre. > >> The information I have in my head and the records I have are more important >> to me *because* I've spent sh*t loads of my time digging it all up, >> searching it out, and going through the hassle of it all. >> Sounds like you want an easy answer. >> > > It's only information what you do with it is what's important. > Besides we live in the 21st Century I like the concept of new technology > making old methods obsolete.
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> > True - it sometimes is an era that isn't easily discovered > but it's not > > impossible - do the homework and you can learn about it. If > it's handed to > > you on a platter then what's the point? > > well fist of all your putting infornation out there that's not easily > accesable so it's more practlicle for people who have a > genuin interest and > curiosity about the music to learn about Detroit techno. > Your also archiving an important part of history in a > convieniant package > for future refrence. So what do you want them to do then? everybody has a website nowadays how can information be more easier to get??? > > I think it's more rewarding to > > teach myself by reading books, listening to DJ sets, > randomly listening to > > records in a store, digging through old magazines, etc. > > certain aspects of that can be rewarding but it's mostly a > hastle and very > time consuming. Go and buy Britney Spears if you want easy-to-get music [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. --
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on 11/11/02 2:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> that was my point about elitist objecting over this idea. > > For many people it's a job - and that is what it takes to stay on top. It's > not elitist, it's survival in a crowded world. If information on old and obsolete techno records is putting people out of business maybe they should consider a career change. > regarding the whole section above: > I don't understand. On one hand you're talking about having information put > out there so that it's easier to find out about and those with genuine > interest/curiosity about the music will learn about it. > But then when you say that teaching yourself by reading about it, listening > to DJ sets, randomly listening to old records and digging through old > magazines is "a hastle and very time consuming." > Who is the one with more genuine interest? The person who, without a > one-stop shopping place for all things techno, goes out and finds out for > themselves, dedicates time and money and goes through the "hassle" - or- > the person who wants the quick and easy fix of finding everything in one > place? I like the more practical approach of acquiring information. People would just have greater understanding of the artist and labels that have contributed to the Detroit techno genre. > The information I have in my head and the records I have are more important > to me *because* I've spent sh*t loads of my time digging it all up, > searching it out, and going through the hassle of it all. > Sounds like you want an easy answer. > It's only information what you do with it is what's important. Besides we live in the 21st Century I like the concept of new technology making old methods obsolete.
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>>That's the way it has always been... >that was my point about elitist objecting over this idea. For many people it's a job - and that is what it takes to stay on top. It's not elitist, it's survival in a crowded world. + >> When it comes to techno there seems to be a gray area with records falling > into obscurity especially from the very late 80's to early 90's. > > > True - it sometimes is an era that isn't easily discovered but it's not > impossible - do the homework and you can learn about it. If it's handed to > you on a platter then what's the point? well fist of all your putting infornation out there that's not easily accesable so it's more practlicle for people who have a genuin interest and curiosity about the music to learn about Detroit techno. Your also archiving an important part of history in a convieniant package for future refrence. > I think it's more rewarding to > teach myself by reading books, listening to DJ sets, randomly listening to > records in a store, digging through old magazines, etc. certain aspects of that can be rewarding but it's mostly a hastle and very time consuming. regarding the whole section above: I don't understand. On one hand you're talking about having information put out there so that it's easier to find out about and those with genuine interest/curiosity about the music will learn about it. But then when you say that teaching yourself by reading about it, listening to DJ sets, randomly listening to old records and digging through old magazines is "a hastle and very time consuming." Who is the one with more genuine interest? The person who, without a one-stop shopping place for all things techno, goes out and finds out for themselves, dedicates time and money and goes through the "hassle" - or- the person who wants the quick and easy fix of finding everything in one place? The information I have in my head and the records I have are more important to me *because* I've spent sh*t loads of my time digging it all up, searching it out, and going through the hassle of it all. Sounds like you want an easy answer. MEK
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on 11/11/02 10:15 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> In my previous post the word "elitist" was referring to the collector > types who are not very forthcoming about information on rare and limited > releases. > > That's the way it has always been in the world of DJs and dance music - > everyone wants that tune/record that nobody else has. I wouldn't expect > this list to be any different. that was my point about elitist objecting over this idea. >> When it comes to techno there seems to be a gray area with records falling > into obscurity especially from the very late 80's to early 90's. > > > True - it sometimes is an era that isn't easily discovered but it's not > impossible - do the homework and you can learn about it. If it's handed to > you on a platter then what's the point? well fist of all your putting infornation out there that's not easily accesable so it's more practlicle for people who have a genuin interest and curiosity about the music to learn about Detroit techno. Your also archiving an important part of history in a convieniant package for future refrence. > I think it's more rewarding to > teach myself by reading books, listening to DJ sets, randomly listening to > records in a store, digging through old magazines, etc. certain aspects of that can be rewarding but it's mostly a hastle and very time consuming.
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Yeah! Those damn 10-year-olds shouldn't be THAT impressionable anyways! If they don't have soul, fxck 'em! ;) On Mon, 11 Nov 2002, Robert Taylor wrote: > > If they stop listening to techno just because some > loudmouth rapper tells > them, then they're not really feeling it are they? Good > riddance to them > IMHO. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 4:32 PM > To: Robert Taylor > Cc: 313 Detroit > Subject: RE: (313) 8-Mile > > > > Well - maybe because they don't have as much influence > on youngsters as > Eminem does. How many people might actually be just > getting in to techno > but stop because he has spoken, or might have been open > to it until now. I > don't recall Alice Cooper or Wayne Kramer ever publicly > dismissing techno > in a song either - at least one that get national > airplay. > > not that concerned really > MEK > > > > > > Robert Taylor > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: > "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > > 4.co.uk> Cyclone > Wehner > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > cc: > 313 Detroit > <313@hyperreal.org> > > 11/11/02 09:50 AM Subject: > RE: (313) 8-Mile > > > > > > > > > > I am a little puzzled about why 313ers care so much > about what Eminem > thinks > about techno. He's from Detroit, yeah, but we don't > ponder over whether > Alice Cooper or Wayne Kramer dig techno, do we? > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 3:48 PM > To: Cyclone Wehner > Cc: 313 Detroit > Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile > > > > >He says it's his personal taste - not that he's > 'anti-techno' just that he > never got into it. > > So why the perceivably universal diss that "nobody > listens to techno"? That > to me sounds like he's stating something beyond his > personal taste. > > Just playing the devil's advocate - I think it's a > funny line and a hot > tune. > > MEK > > > > Any views or opinions are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily > represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation > unless specifically > stated. This email and any files transmitted are > confidential and intended > solely for the use of the individual or entity to which > they are addressed. > If you have received this email in error, please notify > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > Any views or opinions are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily > represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation > unless specifically > stated. This email and any files transmitted are > confidential and intended > solely for the use of the individual or entity to which > they are addressed. > If you have received this email in error, please notify > [EMAIL PROTECTED] TJJ ~in a perfect world, nothing is perfect~ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com
RE: (313) 8-Mile
If they stop listening to techno just because some loudmouth rapper tells
them, then they're not really feeling it are they? Good riddance to them
IMHO.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 4:32 PM
To: Robert Taylor
Cc: 313 Detroit
Subject: RE: (313) 8-Mile
Well - maybe because they don't have as much influence on youngsters as
Eminem does. How many people might actually be just getting in to techno
but stop because he has spoken, or might have been open to it until now. I
don't recall Alice Cooper or Wayne Kramer ever publicly dismissing techno
in a song either - at least one that get national airplay.
not that concerned really
MEK
Robert Taylor
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11/11/02 09:50 AMSubject: RE: (313) 8-Mile
I am a little puzzled about why 313ers care so much about what Eminem
thinks
about techno. He's from Detroit, yeah, but we don't ponder over whether
Alice Cooper or Wayne Kramer dig techno, do we?
-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 3:48 PM
To: Cyclone Wehner
Cc: 313 Detroit
Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile
>He says it's his personal taste - not that he's 'anti-techno' just that he
never got into it.
So why the perceivably universal diss that "nobody listens to techno"? That
to me sounds like he's stating something beyond his personal taste.
Just playing the devil's advocate - I think it's a funny line and a hot
tune.
MEK
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RE: (313) 8-Mile
Well - maybe because they don't have as much influence on youngsters as
Eminem does. How many people might actually be just getting in to techno
but stop because he has spoken, or might have been open to it until now. I
don't recall Alice Cooper or Wayne Kramer ever publicly dismissing techno
in a song either - at least one that get national airplay.
not that concerned really
MEK
Robert Taylor
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<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
4.co.uk> Cyclone Wehner <[EMAIL
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cc: 313 Detroit
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11/11/02 09:50 AMSubject: RE: (313) 8-Mile
I am a little puzzled about why 313ers care so much about what Eminem
thinks
about techno. He's from Detroit, yeah, but we don't ponder over whether
Alice Cooper or Wayne Kramer dig techno, do we?
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 3:48 PM
To: Cyclone Wehner
Cc: 313 Detroit
Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile
>He says it's his personal taste - not that he's 'anti-techno' just that he
never got into it.
So why the perceivably universal diss that "nobody listens to techno"? That
to me sounds like he's stating something beyond his personal taste.
Just playing the devil's advocate - I think it's a funny line and a hot
tune.
MEK
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RE: (313) 8-Mile
Well, someone early-on mentioned that it is a great movie even though he disses techno. Then someone else mentioned that he didn't dis techno, but he did dis Moby. That's how the discussion came about... On Mon, 11 Nov 2002, Ian wrote: > > Amen to that. > > Im also a little puzzled that no one has mentioned the > attention that this movie is bringing to the city. > Yeah, > people are crying that it makes the city look like a > "prison." > But as someone who has seen the film, I thought Detroit > looked like Detroit, and it was actually kind of cool > sitting > in a major theater going, "Wow, I know where that is..." > And the fact that he has said in interviews that his > purpose > in the movie was to show the world the real Detroit > transcends whatever his opinion on techno is. > > ID > > > Original message > >Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:50:38 - > >From: Robert Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: RE: (313) 8-Mile > >To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Cyclone Wehner > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Cc: 313 Detroit <313@hyperreal.org> > > > >I am a little puzzled about why 313ers care so much > about > what Eminem thinks > >about techno. He's from Detroit, yeah, but we don't > ponder > over whether > >Alice Cooper or Wayne Kramer dig techno, do we? > > > >-Original Message- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 3:48 PM > >To: Cyclone Wehner > >Cc: 313 Detroit > >Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile > > > > > > > >>He says it's his personal taste - not that he's 'anti- > techno' just that he > >never got into it. > > > >So why the perceivably universal diss that "nobody > listens > to techno"? That > >to me sounds like he's stating something beyond his > personal > taste. > > > >Just playing the devil's advocate - I think it's a > funny > line and a hot > >tune. > > > >MEK > > > > > > > >Any views or opinions are solely those of the author > and do > not necessarily > >represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation > unless specifically > >stated. This email and any files transmitted are > confidential and intended > >solely for the use of the individual or entity to > which they > are addressed. > >If you have received this email in error, please notify > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > TJJ ~in a perfect world, nothing is perfect~ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com
Re: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history
>In my previous post the word "elitist" was referring to the collector
types who are not very forthcoming about information on rare and limited
releases.
That's the way it has always been in the world of DJs and dance music -
everyone wants that tune/record that nobody else has. I wouldn't expect
this list to be any different.
>When it comes to techno there seems to be a gray area with records falling
into obscurity especially from the very late 80's to early 90's.
True - it sometimes is an era that isn't easily discovered but it's not
impossible - do the homework and you can learn about it. If it's handed to
you on a platter then what's the point? I think it's more rewarding to
teach myself by reading books, listening to DJ sets, randomly listening to
records in a store, digging through old magazines, etc.
MEK
techno
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gy.net> cc:
Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile -
Detroit music history
11/10/02 01:33 AM
In my previous post the word "elitist" was referring to the collector types
who are not very forthcoming about information on
rare and
limited releases.
I was suggesting something like a DVD archive for listing singles, promos,
remixes, un-released tracks, ect. from well known
to the lesser know Detroit artist and labels.
When it comes to techno there seems to be a gray area with records falling
into obscurity especially from the very late 80's to
early 90's.
To give you example sometimes when going through old dance music magazines
like Art Payne's column in Streetsounds magazine I'll see a review of a
record that I never
knew existed or maybe mention of a short lived Detroit techno label.
Lets take this review by Josh Tearnan, The Vibe Magazine:
Images - "The Keys to Heaven/" It's Just a Groove" (Siren Records)
With the people producing this record, it's bound to be big Santonio (of
Resses & Santonio fame) Art Forest (remixer of Inner City), and Brian Hall.
The A side, featuring vocals by Mischivous, has three mixes. The best is
the
club mix; it's classic inner city style, complete with backtracked beats
and
pumpin' keyboards. There are even samples from Martin Luther King's famous
speech.
The B side is also a prime cut. The only problem with this record is
deciding which cut is better.
on 11/9/02 12:21 PM, marc christensen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> dear "techno" --
>
> It's nice to see you can couple a good, fresh insight to a troll.
> Because you're right -- the old-school elitism of the NW side GQ
> cliques was very palpable, and has been documented well in interview
> sources.
>
> Your reminder even makes the self-justifying marginalization of
> disagreement implicit in your original post much more bearable.
>
> But doesn't this also mean it would be more "Detroit techno" of us
> not only to disagree, but also to withhold more information?
>
> If so, I will continue to do so, and shut up now.
> -marc
>
>
> At 6:46 PM -0600 11/8/02, techno wrote:
>> Of coure the elitist will disagree with me on this.
>
> At 8:38 PM -0500 11/8/02, Lee Herrington IV wrote:
>> does the elitist post to this list?
>
> At 11:05 AM -0600 11/9/02, techno wrote:
>> Yes and they do not always share information.
>> Elitism has always been a part of Detroit techno and underground dance
music
>> culture a social and political aspect to the
>> music.
RE: (313) 8-Mile
Couldn't have said it better myself. -Original Message- From: Ian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 10:56 AM To: Robert Taylor Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Subject: RE: (313) 8-Mile Amen to that. Im also a little puzzled that no one has mentioned the attention that this movie is bringing to the city. Yeah, people are crying that it makes the city look like a "prison." But as someone who has seen the film, I thought Detroit looked like Detroit, and it was actually kind of cool sitting in a major theater going, "Wow, I know where that is..." And the fact that he has said in interviews that his purpose in the movie was to show the world the real Detroit transcends whatever his opinion on techno is. ID Original message >Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:50:38 - >From: Robert Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: (313) 8-Mile >To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" , Cyclone Wehner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Cc: 313 Detroit <313@hyperreal.org> > >I am a little puzzled about why 313ers care so much about what Eminem thinks >about techno. He's from Detroit, yeah, but we don't ponder over whether >Alice Cooper or Wayne Kramer dig techno, do we? > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 3:48 PM >To: Cyclone Wehner >Cc: 313 Detroit >Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile > > > >>He says it's his personal taste - not that he's 'anti- techno' just that he >never got into it. > >So why the perceivably universal diss that "nobody listens to techno"? That >to me sounds like he's stating something beyond his personal taste. > >Just playing the devil's advocate - I think it's a funny line and a hot >tune. > >MEK > > > >Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily >represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically >stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended >solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. >If you have received this email in error, please notify >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
RE: (313) 8-Mile
He did something vaguely electronic with Death In Vegas a few years ago - Ayesha I think it was called - the best track on their Contino Sessions album at any rate. -Original Message- From: FC2 Richards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 3:59 PM To: 'Robert Taylor' Cc: '313@hyperreal.org' Subject: RE: (313) 8-Mile I wonder if Iggy Pop likes Techno...he's not your conventional rocker either, though... -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 6:51 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; Cyclone Wehner Cc: 313 Detroit Subject: RE: (313) 8-Mile I am a little puzzled about why 313ers care so much about what Eminem thinks about techno. He's from Detroit, yeah, but we don't ponder over whether Alice Cooper or Wayne Kramer dig techno, do we? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 3:48 PM To: Cyclone Wehner Cc: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile >He says it's his personal taste - not that he's 'anti-techno' just that he never got into it. So why the perceivably universal diss that "nobody listens to techno"? That to me sounds like he's stating something beyond his personal taste. Just playing the devil's advocate - I think it's a funny line and a hot tune. MEK Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: (313) 8-Mile
I wonder if Iggy Pop likes Techno...he's not your conventional rocker either, though... -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 6:51 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; Cyclone Wehner Cc: 313 Detroit Subject: RE: (313) 8-Mile I am a little puzzled about why 313ers care so much about what Eminem thinks about techno. He's from Detroit, yeah, but we don't ponder over whether Alice Cooper or Wayne Kramer dig techno, do we? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 3:48 PM To: Cyclone Wehner Cc: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile >He says it's his personal taste - not that he's 'anti-techno' just that he never got into it. So why the perceivably universal diss that "nobody listens to techno"? That to me sounds like he's stating something beyond his personal taste. Just playing the devil's advocate - I think it's a funny line and a hot tune. MEK Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: (313) 8-Mile
Amen to that. Im also a little puzzled that no one has mentioned the attention that this movie is bringing to the city. Yeah, people are crying that it makes the city look like a "prison." But as someone who has seen the film, I thought Detroit looked like Detroit, and it was actually kind of cool sitting in a major theater going, "Wow, I know where that is..." And the fact that he has said in interviews that his purpose in the movie was to show the world the real Detroit transcends whatever his opinion on techno is. ID Original message >Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:50:38 - >From: Robert Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: (313) 8-Mile >To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" , Cyclone Wehner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Cc: 313 Detroit <313@hyperreal.org> > >I am a little puzzled about why 313ers care so much about what Eminem thinks >about techno. He's from Detroit, yeah, but we don't ponder over whether >Alice Cooper or Wayne Kramer dig techno, do we? > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 3:48 PM >To: Cyclone Wehner >Cc: 313 Detroit >Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile > > > >>He says it's his personal taste - not that he's 'anti- techno' just that he >never got into it. > >So why the perceivably universal diss that "nobody listens to techno"? That >to me sounds like he's stating something beyond his personal taste. > >Just playing the devil's advocate - I think it's a funny line and a hot >tune. > >MEK > > > >Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily >represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically >stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended >solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. >If you have received this email in error, please notify >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history
And maybe someone can answer my original question?
I'm looking for books that cover the history of Detroit music beyond (but
not excluding) techno -
maybe "Dancing in the Streets"? Any others?
elitists need not answer ;)
MEK
Dan Sicko
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Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile -
Detroit music history
11/09/02 01:57 PM
Can we move this discussion to the 313-elite mailing list please?
I believe the server forwards messages on a wireless network inside
Lafayette Coney Island.
-d
On Saturday, November 9, 2002, at 01:21 PM, marc christensen wrote:
> dear "techno" --
>
> It's nice to see you can couple a good, fresh insight to a troll.
> Because you're right -- the old-school elitism of the NW side GQ
> cliques was very palpable, and has been documented well in interview
> sources.
>
> Your reminder even makes the self-justifying marginalization of
> disagreement implicit in your original post much more bearable.
>
> But doesn't this also mean it would be more "Detroit techno" of us not
> only to disagree, but also to withhold more information?
>
> If so, I will continue to do so, and shut up now.
> -marc
>
>
> At 6:46 PM -0600 11/8/02, techno wrote:
>> Of coure the elitist will disagree with me on this.
>
> At 8:38 PM -0500 11/8/02, Lee Herrington IV wrote:
>> does the elitist post to this list?
>
> At 11:05 AM -0600 11/9/02, techno wrote:
>> Yes and they do not always share information.
>> Elitism has always been a part of Detroit techno and underground
>> dance music
>> culture a social and political aspect to the
>> music.
>
>
RE: (313) 8-Mile
I am a little puzzled about why 313ers care so much about what Eminem thinks about techno. He's from Detroit, yeah, but we don't ponder over whether Alice Cooper or Wayne Kramer dig techno, do we? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 3:48 PM To: Cyclone Wehner Cc: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile >He says it's his personal taste - not that he's 'anti-techno' just that he never got into it. So why the perceivably universal diss that "nobody listens to techno"? That to me sounds like he's stating something beyond his personal taste. Just playing the devil's advocate - I think it's a funny line and a hot tune. MEK Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) 8-Mile
>He says it's his personal taste - not that he's 'anti-techno' just that he never got into it. So why the perceivably universal diss that "nobody listens to techno"? That to me sounds like he's stating something beyond his personal taste. Just playing the devil's advocate - I think it's a funny line and a hot tune. MEK
RE: (313) 8-Mile
He's been doing some production since "The Marshall Mathers LP". Dre is usually behind the stuff that hits the radio (he's the "executive" producer on the 3 albums Em did on Aftermath). "The Slim Shady LP" was produced almost entirely by The Bass Brothers, with the exception of the radio cuts. "The Eminem Show" has a lot more of his own production on it. I'm not sure who produced Em's first album, "Infinite", but I think I remember hearing that it was The Bass Brothers. -Original Message- From: Darren Longton (Marketing) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 8:58 AM To: 313 Detroit Subject: RE: (313) 8-Mile >Have to give Eminem props for his production, his beats on that soundtrack were really good. Did he actually DO the production? I've always heard that DRE did all the beats...?
RE: (313) 8-Mile
Actually he's writing some of his own stuff now. The movie gives him credit for original music or score or something like that. Anyway, I liked the movie and I agree with the movie critics it's the 2000's version of Purple Rain. I didn't read this reference until after I saw the movie but during the whole movie my girlfriend and I were saying that it reminds us of purple rain. Ja'Maul Redmond PERKINS & WILL 1130 East Third Street, Suite 200 Charlotte, North Carolina 28204 (704) 343-9900 (704) 343-4935 ext.202(direct) (704) 343- (fax) jamaul.redmond <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>@perkinswill.com http://www.perkinswill.com/ -Original Message- From: Darren Longton (Marketing) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 8:58 AM To: 313 Detroit Subject: RE: (313) 8-Mile >Have to give Eminem props for his production, his beats on that soundtrack were really good. Did he actually DO the production? I've always heard that DRE did all the beats...? -Original Message- From: Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 7:17 AM To: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile I have an interview CD from Universal Music and he elaborates and says he never liked techno, and remembers it all over Detroit radio, etc, so he knows what he's talking about. He says it's his personal taste - not that he's 'anti-techno' just that he never got into it. It's a shame he can't differentiate Moby from Mills, but... Have to give Eminem props for his production, his beats on that soundtrack were really good. > Inbox Message > > From: "T.J.Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile > Date: 09/11/2002 12:24:33 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org > > yeah, but he's referring to Moby, so I don't know if he > even knows that he is not dissing techno... > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
RE: (313) 8-Mile
>Have to give Eminem props for his production, his beats on that soundtrack were really good. Did he actually DO the production? I've always heard that DRE did all the beats...? -Original Message- From: Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 7:17 AM To: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile I have an interview CD from Universal Music and he elaborates and says he never liked techno, and remembers it all over Detroit radio, etc, so he knows what he's talking about. He says it's his personal taste - not that he's 'anti-techno' just that he never got into it. It's a shame he can't differentiate Moby from Mills, but... Have to give Eminem props for his production, his beats on that soundtrack were really good. > Inbox Message > > From: "T.J.Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile > Date: 09/11/2002 12:24:33 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org > > yeah, but he's referring to Moby, so I don't know if he > even knows that he is not dissing techno... > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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On Sat, 9 Nov 2002, T.J.Johnson wrote: > The funny thing is, I've never noticed any elitism in > the Detroit techno music business until I joined this > list. It's interesting how the internet helps shape > the world... > Well, it's like this: to some extent, the 313 list INVENTED the sort of over-reverent, concerned-with-absolute-purity, hardcore trainspotter version of Detroit Techno. A few journalists got on the list and started spreading the meme to the hoi polloi. People start seeing their opinions reflected back at them from magazines and think they got the world on lock. I mean there's a whole GENRE of music -- IDM -- that is NAMED after a mailing list. And, I might add, the mailing list is 95% of the worldwide market for the music. Does that make mailing lists influential, or just just a closed feedback loop? And lest we forget, the whole futuristic utopian idea of techno was invented by Derrick May and Juan Atkins egging on British journalists some time after they started making the music. The whole problem with journalists is they're writers, and they're always confusing an attractive narrative for reality. I don't have to worry about being an elitist -- At any party, I'm the large guy with the beer gut and thick glasses, that everyone thinks is a cop or someone's dad. If I'm elite, I doubt people want to be quite this elite.
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In my previous post the word "elitist" was referring to the collector types who are not very forthcoming about information on rare and limited releases. I was suggesting something like a DVD archive for listing singles, promos, remixes, un-released tracks, ect. from well known to the lesser know Detroit artist and labels. When it comes to techno there seems to be a gray area with records falling into obscurity especially from the very late 80's to early 90's. To give you example sometimes when going through old dance music magazines like Art Payne's column in Streetsounds magazine I'll see a review of a record that I never knew existed or maybe mention of a short lived Detroit techno label. Lets take this review by Josh Tearnan, The Vibe Magazine: Images - "The Keys to Heaven/" It's Just a Groove" (Siren Records) With the people producing this record, it's bound to be big Santonio (of Resses & Santonio fame) Art Forest (remixer of Inner City), and Brian Hall. The A side, featuring vocals by Mischivous, has three mixes. The best is the club mix; it's classic inner city style, complete with backtracked beats and pumpin' keyboards. There are even samples from Martin Luther King's famous speech. The B side is also a prime cut. The only problem with this record is deciding which cut is better. on 11/9/02 12:21 PM, marc christensen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > dear "techno" -- > > It's nice to see you can couple a good, fresh insight to a troll. > Because you're right -- the old-school elitism of the NW side GQ > cliques was very palpable, and has been documented well in interview > sources. > > Your reminder even makes the self-justifying marginalization of > disagreement implicit in your original post much more bearable. > > But doesn't this also mean it would be more "Detroit techno" of us > not only to disagree, but also to withhold more information? > > If so, I will continue to do so, and shut up now. > -marc > > > At 6:46 PM -0600 11/8/02, techno wrote: >> Of coure the elitist will disagree with me on this. > > At 8:38 PM -0500 11/8/02, Lee Herrington IV wrote: >> does the elitist post to this list? > > At 11:05 AM -0600 11/9/02, techno wrote: >> Yes and they do not always share information. >> Elitism has always been a part of Detroit techno and underground dance music >> culture a social and political aspect to the >> music.
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Eminem doesn't talk about raves for no reason. He has been there, and he is aware. Now that he is famous he plays more raves in detroit then he visits...his preference of drugs over music is a different story. jeff -Original Message- From: Lester Kenyatta Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 1:49 AM To: T.J.Johnson Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile On Sat, 9 Nov 2002, T.J.Johnson wrote: > techno has never been all over Detroit radio it used > to be on 88.7 at midnight or so when motor was > braodcasting live but that's about it no. it DID used to be all over detroit radio. go back about 17 years. peace lks
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Dan Sicko wrote on Sat, 9 Nov 2002 about following: > Can we move this discussion to the 313-elite mailing list please? hey, IT'S NOT FAIR, i know you gotta have 313-ELITE -header set as well as you have to be able to fart NO UFO's to get on _that_ list! ok jus kiddin :) in reality, elitism is part of all cultures. you can't avoid it. just live with it. i'm looking forward to see the movie. for some reason i feel like quoting model 500 here: "from ocean to ocean there will be shining new world is approaching nothing remains the same can you imagine a world where all men will be free, you be you and i'll be me to be free to be free to be free it all seems like a dream far away possibility but i tell you my friend it's closer than you think" sakke - everybody dance, let's party together c'mon clap your hands! -- all systems are go
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I also saw it on opening night here in Portland. Only one screen downtown, one at the Lloyd Center, and about six in the suburbs, so you can see where the marketing is oriented :) It was about 80% full at 10 pm at the downtown show, and the crowd was pretty quiet, typical for Portland. A *lot* of laughs for the "Sweet Home Alabama" scene though. I was almost certainly the oldest viewer in the audience. Mostly it's really good, although I wouldn't say it's a great movie. The one scene that seemed contrived was the fight in the JLB studio. I'm not a fan of Eminem at all, but he showed me something in this movie. And so did the writer and director and cinematographer. This is a movie about Detroit, and it is a movie about *black* Detroit, but I didn't feel any of the distancing and caricature that a mass-market movie would be expected to take. This Detroit feels real, and the suburbs are just a presence offstage, and the class complexities are constantly present. My favorite scene -- it's contrived too but it really works -- is the impromptu three-way a capella battle outside the stamping plant. I don't think this story could have been made in LA or on the east coast -- too many preconceptions about "gangstas" and what hip hop supposedly is about. Detroit is a blank canvas to the rest of the country, and now the rest of the country will see, at least one bit of, what has happened to Detroit and implicitly how we all let that happen. That comes down in one key scene that I'll leave out because it would be a spoiler. This is a movie where even the bad guys are allowed to have some depth, and in the end they really aren't so different from the good guys. Which kind of makes sense. And while Eminem is the leading focus of the movie, and it's true a white guy like that is the only one who could get this kind of media buildup (there's even a line in the script that says that right up front), that seemed OK. But I'm waiting for the movie that tells the story of how, say, Kevin Saunderson made his way up from the anonymous suburbs to rock the world. But for now, on 8 Mile, my verdict is: respect. Worth the time and the dime even if you don't like Eminem's previous work, which generally I don't. Fred
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On Sat, 9 Nov 2002, T.J.Johnson wrote: > techno has never been all over Detroit radio it used > to be on 88.7 at midnight or so when motor was > braodcasting live but that's about it no. it DID used to be all over detroit radio. go back about 17 years. peace lks
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On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, T.J.Johnson wrote: > yeah, but he's referring to Moby, so I don't know if he > even knows that he is not dissing techno... given one piece of anecdotal information (mathers was spotted at "the wizard's" return back in...march was it?) i think he knows. peace lks
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Can we move this discussion to the 313-elite mailing list please? I believe the server forwards messages on a wireless network inside Lafayette Coney Island. -d On Saturday, November 9, 2002, at 01:21 PM, marc christensen wrote: dear "techno" -- It's nice to see you can couple a good, fresh insight to a troll. Because you're right -- the old-school elitism of the NW side GQ cliques was very palpable, and has been documented well in interview sources. Your reminder even makes the self-justifying marginalization of disagreement implicit in your original post much more bearable. But doesn't this also mean it would be more "Detroit techno" of us not only to disagree, but also to withhold more information? If so, I will continue to do so, and shut up now. -marc At 6:46 PM -0600 11/8/02, techno wrote: Of coure the elitist will disagree with me on this. At 8:38 PM -0500 11/8/02, Lee Herrington IV wrote: does the elitist post to this list? At 11:05 AM -0600 11/9/02, techno wrote: Yes and they do not always share information. Elitism has always been a part of Detroit techno and underground dance music culture a social and political aspect to the music.
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The funny thing is, I've never noticed any elitism in the Detroit techno music business until I joined this list. It's interesting how the internet helps shape the world... marc christensen wrote: > > dear "techno" -- > > It's nice to see you can couple a good, fresh insight > to a troll. > Because you're right -- the old-school elitism of the > NW side GQ > cliques was very palpable, and has been documented well > in interview > sources. > > Your reminder even makes the self-justifying > marginalization of > disagreement implicit in your original post much more > bearable. > > But doesn't this also mean it would be more "Detroit > techno" of us > not only to disagree, but also to withhold more > information? > > If so, I will continue to do so, and shut up now. > -marc > > > At 6:46 PM -0600 11/8/02, techno wrote: > >Of coure the elitist will disagree with me on this. > > At 8:38 PM -0500 11/8/02, Lee Herrington IV wrote: > > does the elitist post to this list? > > At 11:05 AM -0600 11/9/02, techno wrote: > >Yes and they do not always share information. > >Elitism has always been a part of Detroit techno and > underground dance music > >culture a social and political aspect to the > >music. TJJ ~in a perfect world, nothing is perfect~ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com
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dear "techno" -- It's nice to see you can couple a good, fresh insight to a troll. Because you're right -- the old-school elitism of the NW side GQ cliques was very palpable, and has been documented well in interview sources. Your reminder even makes the self-justifying marginalization of disagreement implicit in your original post much more bearable. But doesn't this also mean it would be more "Detroit techno" of us not only to disagree, but also to withhold more information? If so, I will continue to do so, and shut up now. -marc At 6:46 PM -0600 11/8/02, techno wrote: Of coure the elitist will disagree with me on this. At 8:38 PM -0500 11/8/02, Lee Herrington IV wrote: does the elitist post to this list? At 11:05 AM -0600 11/9/02, techno wrote: Yes and they do not always share information. Elitism has always been a part of Detroit techno and underground dance music culture a social and political aspect to the music.
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on 11/8/02 7:38 PM, Lee Herrington IV at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > does the elitist post to this list? Yes and they do not always share information. Elitism has always been a part of Detroit techno and underground dance music culture a social and political aspect to the music.
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At 10:30 AM 11/9/2002, sean deason wrote: also: one notable scene in 8Mile is filmed in the alleyway behind the Transmat offices in Eastern Market (locals some of you will recognize The Atlas building from numerous loft parties down there). Speaking of Transmat, any word on Time:Space 2? And is there a US source for C2's Workout? Thx. jeff
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Well I can play the damn CD again and painfully transcribe it, but that was the sum of what he said, that he wasn't feeling techno and he remembered it all on Detroit radio. He's Eminem, he exaggerates! :) > From: "T.J.Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile > Date: 10/11/2002 3:09:16 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org > > ok cool, but it is not "all over the radio" like on > 101.9 105.9 107.9 95.9 and all the other popular > stations. WHFR rules though! shoutz!!! > >
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also: one notable scene in 8Mile is filmed in the alleyway behind the Transmat offices in Eastern Market (locals some of you will recognize The Atlas building from numerous loft parties down there). sean
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ok cool, but it is not "all over the radio" like on 101.9 105.9 107.9 95.9 and all the other popular stations. WHFR rules though! shoutz!!! "::\)" wrote: > > 88.9 at midnight "brave new waves" and whatever liz > copelands show is. > > > > - Original Message - > From: "T.J.Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 9:50 AM > Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile > > > techno has never been all over Detroit radio it used > to be on 88.7 at midnight or so when motor was > braodcasting live but that's about it > > > On Sat, 09 Nov 2002, "Cyclone Wehner" wrote: > > > > > I have an interview CD from Universal Music and he > > elaborates and says he > > never liked techno, and remembers it all over Detroit > > radio, etc, so he > > knows what he's talking about. He says it's his > > personal taste - not that > > he's 'anti-techno' just that he never got into it. > > It's a shame he can't differentiate Moby from Mills, > > but... > > Have to give Eminem props for his production, his > beats > > on that soundtrack > > were really good. > > > > > > > Inbox Message > > > > > > From: "T.J.Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile > > > Date: 09/11/2002 12:24:33 > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org > > > > > > yeah, but he's referring to Moby, so I don't know if > > he > > > even knows that he is not dissing techno... > > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > TJJ > > ~in a perfect world, nothing is perfect~ > > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://mail.peoplepc.com/jump/http://www.peoplepc.com";>http://www.peoplepc.com TJJ ~in a perfect world, nothing is perfect~ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com
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right on. i guess that is what i was getting at in my original post. when mr. mathers dissed moby, he wasn't dissing techno music, but rather commercialized techno music (eg trip hop, etc)... that's all... On Sat, 09 Nov 2002, Mxyzptlk wrote: > > Well, it has been here and there (e.g., Deep Space, old > sets by The Wizard > and at sundry places on the dial, usually in late-night > slots), but it > certainly has NOT ever been all over the radio. That's > a good chunk of the > reason behind the mystery of techno being an > international phenomenon yet > often an enigma to Detroiters. > > > jeff > > > At 08:50 AM 11/9/2002, T.J.Johnson wrote: > >techno has never been all over Detroit radio it used > >to be on 88.7 at midnight or so when motor was > >braodcasting live but that's about it > > > > > >On Sat, 09 Nov 2002, "Cyclone Wehner" wrote: > > > > > > > > I have an interview CD from Universal Music and he > > > elaborates and says he > > > never liked techno, and remembers it all over > Detroit > > > radio, etc, TJJ ~in a perfect world, nothing is perfect~ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com
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88.9 at midnight "brave new waves" and whatever liz copelands show is. - Original Message - From: "T.J.Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 9:50 AM Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile techno has never been all over Detroit radio it used to be on 88.7 at midnight or so when motor was braodcasting live but that's about it On Sat, 09 Nov 2002, "Cyclone Wehner" wrote: > > I have an interview CD from Universal Music and he > elaborates and says he > never liked techno, and remembers it all over Detroit > radio, etc, so he > knows what he's talking about. He says it's his > personal taste - not that > he's 'anti-techno' just that he never got into it. > It's a shame he can't differentiate Moby from Mills, > but... > Have to give Eminem props for his production, his beats > on that soundtrack > were really good. > > > > Inbox Message > > > > From: "T.J.Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile > > Date: 09/11/2002 12:24:33 > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org > > > > yeah, but he's referring to Moby, so I don't know if > he > > even knows that he is not dissing techno... > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TJJ ~in a perfect world, nothing is perfect~ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com
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Well, it has been here and there (e.g., Deep Space, old sets by The Wizard and at sundry places on the dial, usually in late-night slots), but it certainly has NOT ever been all over the radio. That's a good chunk of the reason behind the mystery of techno being an international phenomenon yet often an enigma to Detroiters. jeff At 08:50 AM 11/9/2002, T.J.Johnson wrote: techno has never been all over Detroit radio it used to be on 88.7 at midnight or so when motor was braodcasting live but that's about it On Sat, 09 Nov 2002, "Cyclone Wehner" wrote: > > I have an interview CD from Universal Music and he > elaborates and says he > never liked techno, and remembers it all over Detroit > radio, etc,
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techno has never been all over Detroit radio it used to be on 88.7 at midnight or so when motor was braodcasting live but that's about it On Sat, 09 Nov 2002, "Cyclone Wehner" wrote: > > I have an interview CD from Universal Music and he > elaborates and says he > never liked techno, and remembers it all over Detroit > radio, etc, so he > knows what he's talking about. He says it's his > personal taste - not that > he's 'anti-techno' just that he never got into it. > It's a shame he can't differentiate Moby from Mills, > but... > Have to give Eminem props for his production, his beats > on that soundtrack > were really good. > > > > Inbox Message > > > > From: "T.J.Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile > > Date: 09/11/2002 12:24:33 > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org > > > > yeah, but he's referring to Moby, so I don't know if > he > > even knows that he is not dissing techno... > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TJJ ~in a perfect world, nothing is perfect~ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com
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that's an excellent thing to read, sean -- the media coverage of 8 Mile, even well beyond Detroit, has been really outrageous. Witness the appearance of Eminem on the cover of last Sunday's New York Times Magazine. The studios couldn't *pay* to get that kind of treatment. And I have to say, the Times article not only made me want to see the movie, but my wife, who's not usually real interested in **anything** from the hip-hop side of the world, wants to go, too. So it's good to hear a positive review here. And it's great that the plot doesn't get all Hollywood. cheers, -marc so. I went to see 8Mile yesterday (okay. first showing on opening day. I know. I'm a geek :^). It's actually a much better movie than I expected it to be, and it doesnt end with the typical Hollywood ending I was expecting either. It actually breaks away from the "Purple Rain" formula hinted at by the trailers. From the trailers for the movie, 8Mile looked like it would be a "rags to riches" slash "boy meets girls" story, but instead delivers an "artist coming out of his shell and into his own" story. Whatever your feelings about Marshall are, this movie has its moments of brilliance only when he's on screen doing what he does best: rhyming. I dare anyone not the cheer him on at the movies finale. sean - Original Message - From: "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "313 Detroit" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 7:16 AM Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile I have an interview CD from Universal Music and he elaborates and says he never liked techno, and remembers it all over Detroit radio, etc, so he knows what he's talking about. He says it's his personal taste - not that he's 'anti-techno' just that he never got into it. It's a shame he can't differentiate Moby from Mills, but... Have to give Eminem props for his production, his beats on that soundtrack were really good. Inbox Message From: "T.J.Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile Date: 09/11/2002 12:24:33 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org yeah, but he's referring to Moby, so I don't know if he > even knows that he is not dissing techno... > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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so. I went to see 8Mile yesterday (okay. first showing on opening day. I know. I'm a geek :^). It's actually a much better movie than I expected it to be, and it doesnt end with the typical Hollywood ending I was expecting either. It actually breaks away from the "Purple Rain" formula hinted at by the trailers. From the trailers for the movie, 8Mile looked like it would be a "rags to riches" slash "boy meets girls" story, but instead delivers an "artist coming out of his shell and into his own" story. Whatever your feelings about Marshall are, this movie has its moments of brilliance only when he's on screen doing what he does best: rhyming. I dare anyone not the cheer him on at the movies finale. sean - Original Message - From: "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "313 Detroit" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 7:16 AM Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile I have an interview CD from Universal Music and he elaborates and says he never liked techno, and remembers it all over Detroit radio, etc, so he knows what he's talking about. He says it's his personal taste - not that he's 'anti-techno' just that he never got into it. It's a shame he can't differentiate Moby from Mills, but... Have to give Eminem props for his production, his beats on that soundtrack were really good. > Inbox Message > > From: "T.J.Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile > Date: 09/11/2002 12:24:33 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org > > yeah, but he's referring to Moby, so I don't know if he > even knows that he is not dissing techno... > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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I have an interview CD from Universal Music and he elaborates and says he never liked techno, and remembers it all over Detroit radio, etc, so he knows what he's talking about. He says it's his personal taste - not that he's 'anti-techno' just that he never got into it. It's a shame he can't differentiate Moby from Mills, but... Have to give Eminem props for his production, his beats on that soundtrack were really good. > Inbox Message > > From: "T.J.Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile > Date: 09/11/2002 12:24:33 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org > > yeah, but he's referring to Moby, so I don't know if he > even knows that he is not dissing techno... > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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does the elitist post to this list? -Original Message- From: techno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 7:46 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile - Detroit music history I would like to see a comprehensive Detroit techno and Chicago house chronology of the music year by year. It may be more practical and cost effective to do something like this on a digital medium like CD-ROM or DVD since you would be covering a lot of ground with artist and record label discography's. Actually DVD would be ideal for this since you have the options of audio and video and it can store a vast amount of information. Techno Rebels is a good book going over the history and origins of the music but it really doesn't delve into the more obscure Detroit techno records and labels that should not be excluded from history. Of coure the elitist will disagree with me on this. on 11/8/02 5:49 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > actually - that's a really nice website. gives credit and some history to > the trailblazers of Detroit music in #3 which brings me to the topic of > books about the very same- > > to you Detroiters and Detroit historians a question - > > which books give the best history of Detroit music? > > Whether it be encyclopedia style or a more narrated story > what I really love to see in a book is a discography in the back and maybe > even eras broken down - ala Dan's "Techno Rebels" > > MEK
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yeah, but he's referring to Moby, so I don't know if he even knows that he is not dissing techno... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > ha.. isn't it an eminem song that says something about > 'no one listens > to techno anyway'? > > On Friday, November 8, 2002, at 02:20 PM, Patrick > Wacher wrote: > > > Check out the site for Eminem's film... > http://mail.peoplepc.com/jump/http://www.8-mile.com";>http://www.8-mile.com/ > > > > It's a Flash based site with plenty of things to see > and do... If you > > pull down the map of Detroit and click on #3, you'll > get a brief > > history of Detroit Techno! (Moby definately excluded! > ;) > > > > Anyway, go have a look around. > > > > Peace, > > Patrick. > > -- > > Southern Outpost > > Distributed worldwide via Twilight 76 > > http://mail.peoplepc.com/jump/http://www.southernoutpost.com";>http://www.southernoutpost.com > > p:+61 412 313 151 f:+ 612 9032 6046 > > -- > > TJJ ~in a perfect world, nothing is perfect~ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com
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I would like to see a comprehensive Detroit techno and Chicago house chronology of the music year by year. It may be more practical and cost effective to do something like this on a digital medium like CD-ROM or DVD since you would be covering a lot of ground with artist and record label discography's. Actually DVD would be ideal for this since you have the options of audio and video and it can store a vast amount of information. Techno Rebels is a good book going over the history and origins of the music but it really doesn't delve into the more obscure Detroit techno records and labels that should not be excluded from history. Of coure the elitist will disagree with me on this. on 11/8/02 5:49 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > actually - that's a really nice website. gives credit and some history to > the trailblazers of Detroit music in #3 which brings me to the topic of > books about the very same- > > to you Detroiters and Detroit historians a question - > > which books give the best history of Detroit music? > > Whether it be encyclopedia style or a more narrated story > what I really love to see in a book is a discography in the back and maybe > even eras broken down - ala Dan's "Techno Rebels" > > MEK
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actually - that's a really nice website. gives credit and some history to the trailblazers of Detroit music in #3 which brings me to the topic of books about the very same- to you Detroiters and Detroit historians a question - which books give the best history of Detroit music? Whether it be encyclopedia style or a more narrated story what I really love to see in a book is a discography in the back and maybe even eras broken down - ala Dan's "Techno Rebels" MEK Patrick Wacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org utpost.com> cc: Subject: (313) 8-Mile 11/08/02 04:20 PM Check out the site for Eminem's film... http://www.8-mile.com/ It's a Flash based site with plenty of things to see and do... If you pull down the map of Detroit and click on #3, you'll get a brief history of Detroit Techno! (Moby definately excluded! ;) Anyway, go have a look around. Peace, Patrick. -- Southern Outpost Distributed worldwide via Twilight 76 http://www.southernoutpost.com p:+61 412 313 151 f:+ 612 9032 6046 --
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where is "gratiot" :P -Joe - Original Message - From: "Dan Sicko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Patrick Wacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 6:15 PM Subject: Re: (313) 8-Mile > > I would encourage people to check out the *first* 8 Mile movie, a > documentary ... > > http://www.glaserproductions.com/detdoc.htm > > -d > > On Sat, 9 Nov 2002, Patrick Wacher wrote: > > > Check out the site for Eminem's film... http://www.8-mile.com/ > > > > It's a Flash based site with plenty of things to see and do... If you > > pull down the map of Detroit and click on #3, you'll get a brief > > history of Detroit Techno! (Moby definately excluded! ;) > > > > Anyway, go have a look around. > > > > Peace, > > Patrick. > > -- > > Southern Outpost > > Distributed worldwide via Twilight 76 > > http://www.southernoutpost.com > > p:+61 412 313 151 f:+ 612 9032 6046 > > -- > > > > >
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I would encourage people to check out the *first* 8 Mile movie, a documentary ... http://www.glaserproductions.com/detdoc.htm -d On Sat, 9 Nov 2002, Patrick Wacher wrote: > Check out the site for Eminem's film... http://www.8-mile.com/ > > It's a Flash based site with plenty of things to see and do... If you > pull down the map of Detroit and click on #3, you'll get a brief > history of Detroit Techno! (Moby definately excluded! ;) > > Anyway, go have a look around. > > Peace, > Patrick. > -- > Southern Outpost > Distributed worldwide via Twilight 76 > http://www.southernoutpost.com > p:+61 412 313 151 f:+ 612 9032 6046 > -- > >
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ha.. isn't it an eminem song that says something about 'no one listens to techno anyway'? On Friday, November 8, 2002, at 02:20 PM, Patrick Wacher wrote: Check out the site for Eminem's film... http://www.8-mile.com/ It's a Flash based site with plenty of things to see and do... If you pull down the map of Detroit and click on #3, you'll get a brief history of Detroit Techno! (Moby definately excluded! ;) Anyway, go have a look around. Peace, Patrick. -- Southern Outpost Distributed worldwide via Twilight 76 http://www.southernoutpost.com p:+61 412 313 151 f:+ 612 9032 6046 --
