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sounds like a brother needs to quit whining considering he's doing a fabric mix: http://www.beatportal.com/feed/item/metro-area-mix-fabric/#When:13:34:00Z On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 11:28 AM, JT Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not really the fans' fault. The internet has forced a drastic re-configuration of the music business, that so far has not found any balance, it hasn't really re-configured in a sustainable way yet. MG was right about iPods and the fact that nobody really _listens_ to music anymore. The mp3 formulation flat-out sucks. I don't care what site you uh cite. The artifact and reality of music is ceasing to exist -- like MG says, seeing live music is becoming the only way to have a real music experience now. Technophiles will rant and rave about the freedom and access allowed by ethereal digital objects, but we are losing many of the old ways we marked and appreciated and valued cultural fuel such as music...the digital revolution got ahead of itself. It's not just because we're getting old. I'd go deeper and talk about Western cultural trends and politics and blabla but I'm tired. On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:26 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reason it's not a business is because his fans won't let him make a living at it. You read what he said about people complimenting him on a record that isn't even released yet. That sucks. I've talked to struggling musicians who's so-called fans say straight to their face that they really enjoy their music but that they didn't pay for it - just got it off someone else or from a P2P site. That sucks and that's not any way to be a fan. I'm not surprised that Geist is feeling the way he is. How long could you possibly put up with that bullshyte before losing it? MEK Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/26/2008 05:03:50 AM: Oh yeah. I agree. Don't get me wrong, the honesty in there is refreshing. The problem, as I see it, for people making a living from music is that it's hard to take that break unless you're very (financially) successful. I guess they are going to have to accept that it's no longer a business and back to a hobby. m -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview
As a small business we just don't have the luxury of taking a stand on the issue nor would I realistically- Serato is a great tool and I've nothing against Digital DJ's on principle - there's 3 other store in walking distance of ours that sell it and about 60 odd mail order companies who'd supply it if we didn't. My point is that a large percentage of the people buying it have expressed a short sited viewpoint of I can just download all my music for nothing without taking into account what this is doing to artists and labels. cheers Jason 2008/9/29 Frank Glazer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: interestingly this hasn't stopped you from selling serato. On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 6:23 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A very quick interjection from me! We're a record retailer but we also sell DJ and Studio equipment- we currently sell around 10 Serato systems a week and the number has been growing steadily over the last 2 years. Almost without fail the customer will tell us with a big grin on their faces that Serato is great because I don;t need to pay for music anyomore- I just download it for free. It's so short sighted it almost beggars belief- the majority of these people are actually taking pride in getting something for nothing. Jason Rubadub 2008/9/26 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wait a second... how is it _not_ the fans fault for Geist not getting paid for his music when people download via P2P before it's even out? you can't blame the technology - it takes someone to drive that car to get it from A to B P2P/blogs/etc. sites aren't breaking into people's houses and forcing the files on them nobody is holding the fans at gun point and telling them that they MUST share the files with all of their friends they're doing it willingly and not thinking about what it costs the artist - especially the struggling independent artist people are looking to get something for nothing it is the fans fault but they just don't want to admit that their actions are hurting the musicians they claim to love it's a case of sticking their fingers in their ears and yelling I can't hear you! you can say that we're losing the old way of appreciating music but the fact remains that people are still taking the music and the musicians aren't getting paid for it it's pretty black and white - if you want the music you should give something in return that the musician can use most of the time, that something is financial funding if you don't have the money to pay the musician for it then you shouldn't have it - in a world that was good the musicians you wouldn't have people with half a gazillion tunes in their iTunes unless they are millionaires you should be content with having less music shouldn't be treated like a cheap commodity by the fans nor anyone else continuing to blame the technology lets the so-called fans off the hook - they don't have to face the fact that getting Morgan Geist's tracks off a friend hurts Morgan Geist MEK JT Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/26/2008 10:28:05 AM: It's not really the fans' fault. The internet has forced a drastic re-configuration of the music business, that so far has not found any balance, it hasn't really re-configured in a sustainable way yet. MG was right about iPods and the fact that nobody really _listens_ to music anymore. The mp3 formulation flat-out sucks. I don't care what site you uh cite. The artifact and reality of music is ceasing to exist -- like MG says, seeing live music is becoming the only way to have a real music experience now. Technophiles will rant and rave about the freedom and access allowed by ethereal digital objects, but we are losing many of the old ways we marked and appreciated and valued cultural fuel such as music...the digital revolution got ahead of itself. It's not just because we're getting old. I'd go deeper and talk about Western cultural trends and politics and blabla but I'm tired. On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:26 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reason it's not a business is because his fans won't let him make a living at it. You read what he said about people complimenting him on a record that isn't even released yet. That sucks. I've talked to struggling musicians who's so-called fans say straight to their face that they really enjoy their music but that they didn't pay for it - just got it off someone else or from a P2P site. That sucks and that's not any way to be a fan. I'm not surprised that Geist is feeling the way he is. How long could you possibly put up with that bullshyte before losing it? MEK Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/26/2008 05:03:50 AM: Oh yeah. I agree. Don't get me wrong, the honesty in there is refreshing. The problem, as I see it, for people making a living from music is that it's hard to take that break unless you're very (financially) successful.
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It depends- I've definitetly mumbled some stuff to a couple of peepz about labels not being around in 5 years time to release music but it's not really the time and place to have a long discussion on the subject unfortunately! 2008/9/29 kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Do you ever take this as a 'teaching moment' and tell them why that is a horrible way to view things? Of course, this just goes to show what everyone's probably noticed: 99% of DJs are complete wankers. Present company excepted off course. On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 5:23 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A very quick interjection from me! We're a record retailer but we also sell DJ and Studio equipment- we currently sell around 10 Serato systems a week and the number has been growing steadily over the last 2 years. Almost without fail the customer will tell us with a big grin on their faces that Serato is great because I don;t need to pay for music anyomore- I just download it for free. It's so short sighted it almost beggars belief- the majority of these people are actually taking pride in getting something for nothing. Jason Rubadub 2008/9/26 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wait a second... how is it _not_ the fans fault for Geist not getting paid for his music when people download via P2P before it's even out? you can't blame the technology - it takes someone to drive that car to get it from A to B P2P/blogs/etc. sites aren't breaking into people's houses and forcing the files on them nobody is holding the fans at gun point and telling them that they MUST share the files with all of their friends they're doing it willingly and not thinking about what it costs the artist - especially the struggling independent artist people are looking to get something for nothing it is the fans fault but they just don't want to admit that their actions are hurting the musicians they claim to love it's a case of sticking their fingers in their ears and yelling I can't hear you! you can say that we're losing the old way of appreciating music but the fact remains that people are still taking the music and the musicians aren't getting paid for it it's pretty black and white - if you want the music you should give something in return that the musician can use most of the time, that something is financial funding if you don't have the money to pay the musician for it then you shouldn't have it - in a world that was good the musicians you wouldn't have people with half a gazillion tunes in their iTunes unless they are millionaires you should be content with having less music shouldn't be treated like a cheap commodity by the fans nor anyone else continuing to blame the technology lets the so-called fans off the hook - they don't have to face the fact that getting Morgan Geist's tracks off a friend hurts Morgan Geist MEK JT Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/26/2008 10:28:05 AM: It's not really the fans' fault. The internet has forced a drastic re-configuration of the music business, that so far has not found any balance, it hasn't really re-configured in a sustainable way yet. MG was right about iPods and the fact that nobody really _listens_ to music anymore. The mp3 formulation flat-out sucks. I don't care what site you uh cite. The artifact and reality of music is ceasing to exist -- like MG says, seeing live music is becoming the only way to have a real music experience now. Technophiles will rant and rave about the freedom and access allowed by ethereal digital objects, but we are losing many of the old ways we marked and appreciated and valued cultural fuel such as music...the digital revolution got ahead of itself. It's not just because we're getting old. I'd go deeper and talk about Western cultural trends and politics and blabla but I'm tired. On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:26 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reason it's not a business is because his fans won't let him make a living at it. You read what he said about people complimenting him on a record that isn't even released yet. That sucks. I've talked to struggling musicians who's so-called fans say straight to their face that they really enjoy their music but that they didn't pay for it - just got it off someone else or from a P2P site. That sucks and that's not any way to be a fan. I'm not surprised that Geist is feeling the way he is. How long could you possibly put up with that bullshyte before losing it? MEK Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/26/2008 05:03:50 AM: Oh yeah. I agree. Don't get me wrong, the honesty in there is refreshing. The problem, as I see it, for people making a living from music is that it's hard to take that break unless you're very (financially) successful. I guess they are going to have to accept that it's no longer a business and back to a hobby. m
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Hey Frank- I didn't take it as a judgement so no worries there. There's a long and interesting story about Rubadub's development from a 100% vinyl shop to our current incarnation but I just ain't got the time to write it all out I'm afraid! We still get repeat business from most of our Serato customers in terms of replacement carts and needles, headphones, the ever growing range of Serato accessories and bags, record cleaning cloths, cables, replacement power supplies and more Business models aren't our speciality- we're just trying to survive on a day to day business in an ever changing world and promote good music. cheers Jason 2008/9/29 Frank Glazer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ah, see, my point has nothing to do with morals nor ethics. In my understanding the OP works for a music shop, rubadub if i'm not mistaken, a shop that most likely relies on repeat business by paying customers of music media, not just music gear. Sure, there are going to be people who use it legitimately, but if the OP's point was that most people just steal music, it's ironic at least and really bad business at worst that they're enabling their own lack of repeat business. Dig? After all, even the legitimate users of mp3s are not going to do (much) repeat media business at the shop. They're going to go to traxsource.com or junodownload.com or beatport.com, or any of the many other legitimate online music stores. As far as I can tell rubadub does not yet have an online music shop. So, while I didn't really mean to judge rubadub's decision to sell serato (notice my original post made no judgement other than that it's interesting) you have to admit that it does say something. I'd love to hear what else Jason or anybody in the rubadub crew has to say about their business model in this regard. On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 7:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why should it? One might advocate taking the choice of whether to break the law out of the hands of the individual with technology when it came to say, gun control. But in this case when there's a perfectly legit way to use such gear why should a shop then have to stop selling it because some people (even if the majority) are not using it in a legal and possibly not moral way. They're the ones ripping people off - if that's what they're doing (which doesn't mean to say I don't think they are, I'm just trying not to be involved in that argument while this other bit seems clear cut to me). From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 September 2008 12:29 interestingly this hasn't stopped you from selling serato. On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 6:23 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A very quick interjection from me! We're a record retailer but we also sell DJ and Studio equipment- we currently sell around 10 Serato systems a week and the number has been growing steadily over the last 2 years. Almost without fail the customer will tell us with a big grin on their faces that Serato is great because I don;t need to pay for music anyomore- I just download it for free. It's so short sighted it almost beggars belief- the majority of these people are actually taking pride in getting something for nothing. -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
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Hmm, good point JT. 2008/9/29 JT Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 11:15 AM, JT Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody who lives on a budget will take pride in getting something for nothing. That is how it works. I should add to this -- digital theft is not a concept that is readily understood by the masses yet. I highly doubt many people who torrent or fileshare think of it as theft, not in any sort of serious way. The goodies are right there for the taking, and nobody seems to notice when you've taken the goodies either. There is so much grey area morality involved. The idea of consequences from the clicks you make while sitting in your home in your underwear and a beer is not a reality for most people yet. That is a reason why the RIAA and MPAA are using scare tactic lawsuits. But they're late, and it amounts to punishing essentially innocent people for their own lateness. It's just a total mess, but I imagine that digital theft will be increasingly policed, and increasingly more ably policed, and the idea of digital theft will be a much more broadly understood crime by the mainstream in the not-too-distant future. It's inevitable.
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A very quick interjection from me! We're a record retailer but we also sell DJ and Studio equipment- we currently sell around 10 Serato systems a week and the number has been growing steadily over the last 2 years. Almost without fail the customer will tell us with a big grin on their faces that Serato is great because I don;t need to pay for music anyomore- I just download it for free. It's so short sighted it almost beggars belief- the majority of these people are actually taking pride in getting something for nothing. Jason Rubadub 2008/9/26 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wait a second... how is it _not_ the fans fault for Geist not getting paid for his music when people download via P2P before it's even out? you can't blame the technology - it takes someone to drive that car to get it from A to B P2P/blogs/etc. sites aren't breaking into people's houses and forcing the files on them nobody is holding the fans at gun point and telling them that they MUST share the files with all of their friends they're doing it willingly and not thinking about what it costs the artist - especially the struggling independent artist people are looking to get something for nothing it is the fans fault but they just don't want to admit that their actions are hurting the musicians they claim to love it's a case of sticking their fingers in their ears and yelling I can't hear you! you can say that we're losing the old way of appreciating music but the fact remains that people are still taking the music and the musicians aren't getting paid for it it's pretty black and white - if you want the music you should give something in return that the musician can use most of the time, that something is financial funding if you don't have the money to pay the musician for it then you shouldn't have it - in a world that was good the musicians you wouldn't have people with half a gazillion tunes in their iTunes unless they are millionaires you should be content with having less music shouldn't be treated like a cheap commodity by the fans nor anyone else continuing to blame the technology lets the so-called fans off the hook - they don't have to face the fact that getting Morgan Geist's tracks off a friend hurts Morgan Geist MEK JT Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/26/2008 10:28:05 AM: It's not really the fans' fault. The internet has forced a drastic re-configuration of the music business, that so far has not found any balance, it hasn't really re-configured in a sustainable way yet. MG was right about iPods and the fact that nobody really _listens_ to music anymore. The mp3 formulation flat-out sucks. I don't care what site you uh cite. The artifact and reality of music is ceasing to exist -- like MG says, seeing live music is becoming the only way to have a real music experience now. Technophiles will rant and rave about the freedom and access allowed by ethereal digital objects, but we are losing many of the old ways we marked and appreciated and valued cultural fuel such as music...the digital revolution got ahead of itself. It's not just because we're getting old. I'd go deeper and talk about Western cultural trends and politics and blabla but I'm tired. On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:26 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reason it's not a business is because his fans won't let him make a living at it. You read what he said about people complimenting him on a record that isn't even released yet. That sucks. I've talked to struggling musicians who's so-called fans say straight to their face that they really enjoy their music but that they didn't pay for it - just got it off someone else or from a P2P site. That sucks and that's not any way to be a fan. I'm not surprised that Geist is feeling the way he is. How long could you possibly put up with that bullshyte before losing it? MEK Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/26/2008 05:03:50 AM: Oh yeah. I agree. Don't get me wrong, the honesty in there is refreshing. The problem, as I see it, for people making a living from music is that it's hard to take that break unless you're very (financially) successful. I guess they are going to have to accept that it's no longer a business and back to a hobby. m
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interestingly this hasn't stopped you from selling serato. On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 6:23 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A very quick interjection from me! We're a record retailer but we also sell DJ and Studio equipment- we currently sell around 10 Serato systems a week and the number has been growing steadily over the last 2 years. Almost without fail the customer will tell us with a big grin on their faces that Serato is great because I don;t need to pay for music anyomore- I just download it for free. It's so short sighted it almost beggars belief- the majority of these people are actually taking pride in getting something for nothing. Jason Rubadub 2008/9/26 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wait a second... how is it _not_ the fans fault for Geist not getting paid for his music when people download via P2P before it's even out? you can't blame the technology - it takes someone to drive that car to get it from A to B P2P/blogs/etc. sites aren't breaking into people's houses and forcing the files on them nobody is holding the fans at gun point and telling them that they MUST share the files with all of their friends they're doing it willingly and not thinking about what it costs the artist - especially the struggling independent artist people are looking to get something for nothing it is the fans fault but they just don't want to admit that their actions are hurting the musicians they claim to love it's a case of sticking their fingers in their ears and yelling I can't hear you! you can say that we're losing the old way of appreciating music but the fact remains that people are still taking the music and the musicians aren't getting paid for it it's pretty black and white - if you want the music you should give something in return that the musician can use most of the time, that something is financial funding if you don't have the money to pay the musician for it then you shouldn't have it - in a world that was good the musicians you wouldn't have people with half a gazillion tunes in their iTunes unless they are millionaires you should be content with having less music shouldn't be treated like a cheap commodity by the fans nor anyone else continuing to blame the technology lets the so-called fans off the hook - they don't have to face the fact that getting Morgan Geist's tracks off a friend hurts Morgan Geist MEK JT Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/26/2008 10:28:05 AM: It's not really the fans' fault. The internet has forced a drastic re-configuration of the music business, that so far has not found any balance, it hasn't really re-configured in a sustainable way yet. MG was right about iPods and the fact that nobody really _listens_ to music anymore. The mp3 formulation flat-out sucks. I don't care what site you uh cite. The artifact and reality of music is ceasing to exist -- like MG says, seeing live music is becoming the only way to have a real music experience now. Technophiles will rant and rave about the freedom and access allowed by ethereal digital objects, but we are losing many of the old ways we marked and appreciated and valued cultural fuel such as music...the digital revolution got ahead of itself. It's not just because we're getting old. I'd go deeper and talk about Western cultural trends and politics and blabla but I'm tired. On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:26 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reason it's not a business is because his fans won't let him make a living at it. You read what he said about people complimenting him on a record that isn't even released yet. That sucks. I've talked to struggling musicians who's so-called fans say straight to their face that they really enjoy their music but that they didn't pay for it - just got it off someone else or from a P2P site. That sucks and that's not any way to be a fan. I'm not surprised that Geist is feeling the way he is. How long could you possibly put up with that bullshyte before losing it? MEK Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/26/2008 05:03:50 AM: Oh yeah. I agree. Don't get me wrong, the honesty in there is refreshing. The problem, as I see it, for people making a living from music is that it's hard to take that break unless you're very (financially) successful. I guess they are going to have to accept that it's no longer a business and back to a hobby. m -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
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Why should it? One might advocate taking the choice of whether to break the law out of the hands of the individual with technology when it came to say, gun control. But in this case when there's a perfectly legit way to use such gear why should a shop then have to stop selling it because some people (even if the majority) are not using it in a legal and possibly not moral way. They're the ones ripping people off - if that's what they're doing (which doesn't mean to say I don't think they are, I'm just trying not to be involved in that argument while this other bit seems clear cut to me). From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 September 2008 12:29 interestingly this hasn't stopped you from selling serato. On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 6:23 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A very quick interjection from me! We're a record retailer but we also sell DJ and Studio equipment- we currently sell around 10 Serato systems a week and the number has been growing steadily over the last 2 years. Almost without fail the customer will tell us with a big grin on their faces that Serato is great because I don;t need to pay for music anyomore- I just download it for free. It's so short sighted it almost beggars belief- the majority of these people are actually taking pride in getting something for nothing.
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Do you ever take this as a 'teaching moment' and tell them why that is a horrible way to view things? Of course, this just goes to show what everyone's probably noticed: 99% of DJs are complete wankers. Present company excepted off course. On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 5:23 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A very quick interjection from me! We're a record retailer but we also sell DJ and Studio equipment- we currently sell around 10 Serato systems a week and the number has been growing steadily over the last 2 years. Almost without fail the customer will tell us with a big grin on their faces that Serato is great because I don;t need to pay for music anyomore- I just download it for free. It's so short sighted it almost beggars belief- the majority of these people are actually taking pride in getting something for nothing. Jason Rubadub 2008/9/26 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wait a second... how is it _not_ the fans fault for Geist not getting paid for his music when people download via P2P before it's even out? you can't blame the technology - it takes someone to drive that car to get it from A to B P2P/blogs/etc. sites aren't breaking into people's houses and forcing the files on them nobody is holding the fans at gun point and telling them that they MUST share the files with all of their friends they're doing it willingly and not thinking about what it costs the artist - especially the struggling independent artist people are looking to get something for nothing it is the fans fault but they just don't want to admit that their actions are hurting the musicians they claim to love it's a case of sticking their fingers in their ears and yelling I can't hear you! you can say that we're losing the old way of appreciating music but the fact remains that people are still taking the music and the musicians aren't getting paid for it it's pretty black and white - if you want the music you should give something in return that the musician can use most of the time, that something is financial funding if you don't have the money to pay the musician for it then you shouldn't have it - in a world that was good the musicians you wouldn't have people with half a gazillion tunes in their iTunes unless they are millionaires you should be content with having less music shouldn't be treated like a cheap commodity by the fans nor anyone else continuing to blame the technology lets the so-called fans off the hook - they don't have to face the fact that getting Morgan Geist's tracks off a friend hurts Morgan Geist MEK JT Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/26/2008 10:28:05 AM: It's not really the fans' fault. The internet has forced a drastic re-configuration of the music business, that so far has not found any balance, it hasn't really re-configured in a sustainable way yet. MG was right about iPods and the fact that nobody really _listens_ to music anymore. The mp3 formulation flat-out sucks. I don't care what site you uh cite. The artifact and reality of music is ceasing to exist -- like MG says, seeing live music is becoming the only way to have a real music experience now. Technophiles will rant and rave about the freedom and access allowed by ethereal digital objects, but we are losing many of the old ways we marked and appreciated and valued cultural fuel such as music...the digital revolution got ahead of itself. It's not just because we're getting old. I'd go deeper and talk about Western cultural trends and politics and blabla but I'm tired. On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:26 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reason it's not a business is because his fans won't let him make a living at it. You read what he said about people complimenting him on a record that isn't even released yet. That sucks. I've talked to struggling musicians who's so-called fans say straight to their face that they really enjoy their music but that they didn't pay for it - just got it off someone else or from a P2P site. That sucks and that's not any way to be a fan. I'm not surprised that Geist is feeling the way he is. How long could you possibly put up with that bullshyte before losing it? MEK Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/26/2008 05:03:50 AM: Oh yeah. I agree. Don't get me wrong, the honesty in there is refreshing. The problem, as I see it, for people making a living from music is that it's hard to take that break unless you're very (financially) successful. I guess they are going to have to accept that it's no longer a business and back to a hobby. m
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Yeah I think refraining from selling your wares would not be reasonable but I think you could take the opportunity to say your piece about stealing music. Even making a PSA might be frustrating though. On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 7:27 AM, kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you ever take this as a 'teaching moment' and tell them why that is a horrible way to view things? Of course, this just goes to show what everyone's probably noticed: 99% of DJs are complete wankers. Present company excepted off course.
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Ah, see, my point has nothing to do with morals nor ethics. In my understanding the OP works for a music shop, rubadub if i'm not mistaken, a shop that most likely relies on repeat business by paying customers of music media, not just music gear. Sure, there are going to be people who use it legitimately, but if the OP's point was that most people just steal music, it's ironic at least and really bad business at worst that they're enabling their own lack of repeat business. Dig? After all, even the legitimate users of mp3s are not going to do (much) repeat media business at the shop. They're going to go to traxsource.com or junodownload.com or beatport.com, or any of the many other legitimate online music stores. As far as I can tell rubadub does not yet have an online music shop. So, while I didn't really mean to judge rubadub's decision to sell serato (notice my original post made no judgement other than that it's interesting) you have to admit that it does say something. I'd love to hear what else Jason or anybody in the rubadub crew has to say about their business model in this regard. On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 7:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why should it? One might advocate taking the choice of whether to break the law out of the hands of the individual with technology when it came to say, gun control. But in this case when there's a perfectly legit way to use such gear why should a shop then have to stop selling it because some people (even if the majority) are not using it in a legal and possibly not moral way. They're the ones ripping people off - if that's what they're doing (which doesn't mean to say I don't think they are, I'm just trying not to be involved in that argument while this other bit seems clear cut to me). From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 September 2008 12:29 interestingly this hasn't stopped you from selling serato. On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 6:23 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A very quick interjection from me! We're a record retailer but we also sell DJ and Studio equipment- we currently sell around 10 Serato systems a week and the number has been growing steadily over the last 2 years. Almost without fail the customer will tell us with a big grin on their faces that Serato is great because I don;t need to pay for music anyomore- I just download it for free. It's so short sighted it almost beggars belief- the majority of these people are actually taking pride in getting something for nothing. -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
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I wonder if people regard me as a music thief - I don't buy much music these days as I tend to download DJ mixes that (mostly) friends put up. I stopped buying vinyl years ago as I had to give it up like an alcoholic has to give up booze. I go to parties and regard that as my economic contribution to 'the scene', rightly or wrongly. Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 September 2008 14:58 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview Ah, see, my point has nothing to do with morals nor ethics. In my understanding the OP works for a music shop, rubadub if i'm not mistaken, a shop that most likely relies on repeat business by paying customers of music media, not just music gear. Sure, there are going to be people who use it legitimately, but if the OP's point was that most people just steal music, it's ironic at least and really bad business at worst that they're enabling their own lack of repeat business. Dig? After all, even the legitimate users of mp3s are not going to do (much) repeat media business at the shop. They're going to go to traxsource.com or junodownload.com or beatport.com, or any of the many other legitimate online music stores. As far as I can tell rubadub does not yet have an online music shop. So, while I didn't really mean to judge rubadub's decision to sell serato (notice my original post made no judgement other than that it's interesting) you have to admit that it does say something. I'd love to hear what else Jason or anybody in the rubadub crew has to say about their business model in this regard. On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 7:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why should it? One might advocate taking the choice of whether to break the law out of the hands of the individual with technology when it came to say, gun control. But in this case when there's a perfectly legit way to use such gear why should a shop then have to stop selling it because some people (even if the majority) are not using it in a legal and possibly not moral way. They're the ones ripping people off - if that's what they're doing (which doesn't mean to say I don't think they are, I'm just trying not to be involved in that argument while this other bit seems clear cut to me). From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 September 2008 12:29 interestingly this hasn't stopped you from selling serato. On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 6:23 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A very quick interjection from me! We're a record retailer but we also sell DJ and Studio equipment- we currently sell around 10 Serato systems a week and the number has been growing steadily over the last 2 years. Almost without fail the customer will tell us with a big grin on their faces that Serato is great because I don;t need to pay for music anyomore- I just download it for free. It's so short sighted it almost beggars belief- the majority of these people are actually taking pride in getting something for nothing. -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
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Anybody who lives on a budget will take pride in getting something for nothing. That is how it works. Of course R-a-D will keep selling Serato. It's a good product. Refusing to sell it would be like refusing to sell blank cd's because people use them to burn bootlegs. Please! And R-a-D, like any other music retailer, needs all the sales they can get. They are not in any position to make any significant, broad-reaching change to how the music business works these days, especially since there is no clear way to make it work any better. The business has dug itself into a hole. It panicked about digital music file sharing; it was way too late in noticing the potential of the technology, and when it did it tried to lock it down, and they're still trying to, and it's not ever going to succeed. It is one of the biggest f-ups in the history of the music business. Policing the internet seems like an impossible task, but it will be done more and more, corporate technology will eventually, finally, really tamp out nearly all file sharing...that is my prediction. It's been catching up for the past few years.. On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 6:23 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A very quick interjection from me! We're a record retailer but we also sell DJ and Studio equipment- we currently sell around 10 Serato systems a week and the number has been growing steadily over the last 2 years. Almost without fail the customer will tell us with a big grin on their faces that Serato is great because I don;t need to pay for music anyomore- I just download it for free. It's so short sighted it almost beggars belief- the majority of these people are actually taking pride in getting something for nothing. Jason Rubadub
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On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 11:15 AM, JT Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody who lives on a budget will take pride in getting something for nothing. That is how it works. I should add to this -- digital theft is not a concept that is readily understood by the masses yet. I highly doubt many people who torrent or fileshare think of it as theft, not in any sort of serious way. The goodies are right there for the taking, and nobody seems to notice when you've taken the goodies either. There is so much grey area morality involved. The idea of consequences from the clicks you make while sitting in your home in your underwear and a beer is not a reality for most people yet. That is a reason why the RIAA and MPAA are using scare tactic lawsuits. But they're late, and it amounts to punishing essentially innocent people for their own lateness. It's just a total mess, but I imagine that digital theft will be increasingly policed, and increasingly more ably policed, and the idea of digital theft will be a much more broadly understood crime by the mainstream in the not-too-distant future. It's inevitable.
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morality involved. The idea of consequences from the clicks you make while sitting in your home in your underwear and a beer is not a Yep I get in my undies and sit in my beer.now that's livin.. Oof I'm done
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On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:15 AM, JT Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Policing the internet seems like an impossible task, I think it's impossible to exhaustively police the Internet, but an hour or two a week spent with google and the torrent search sites would at least give you some places to send takedown notices. How do you think your deadbeat fans find stuff? Any of the ironic quotereputable/ironic quote torrent sites will honor takedowns. There's still the problem of private trackers, but at least they're limited to a smaller number of users. And we have to distinguish between the independent record labels and the majors. The major labels have gotten out of the business of releasing and promoting anything besides sh1t, and if they all dropped dead it would be too soon. I think the only rational business model for labels at this point is to focus on digital distribution, and do their best to identify and connect with their paying audience. The success of download sites in the past couple years shows that you can still sell music. I think a positive approach to fans would actually work. Instead of saying We'll hunt you down like the dogs you are, say If you pay us, we'll keep making stuff you like, and by the way here's a double secret link to a new track we're letting you have for free. And when it comes to dance music, you can produce a copy protection dongle that people will buy and cherish -- a vinyl record. It won't keep you off the torrents and newsgroups forever but it's something that has persisted as an object of desire despite all announcements of its death.
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. It's just a total mess, but I imagine that digital theft will be increasingly policed, and increasingly more ably policed, and the idea of digital theft will be a much more broadly understood crime by the mainstream in the not-too-distant future. It's inevitable. They are already writing the software to do this and they will make the ISPs responsible in some way or other - there's too much money at stake for some to not get the blame. The guys at our local ISP know who's doing what and when and put heavy users on what they call the naughty pipe so it's not that impossible to police. m
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Changed the subject line. That is a reason why the RIAA and MPAA are using scare tactic lawsuits. But they're late, and it amounts to punishing essentially innocent people for their own lateness. It's just a total mess, but I imagine that digital theft will be increasingly policed, and increasingly more ably policed, and the idea of digital theft will be a much more broadly understood crime by the mainstream in the not-too-distant future. It's inevitable. When this gets properly nailed down then you can wave good-bye to dj mixes online too. BPI etc consider these to be just as bad as a straight ripped file. robin...
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Well, sorta. Wave goodbye to DJ Mixes that haven't gone through proper channels. It sucks I know. It's sort of a replay of the record industry's response to cassette tapes when they came into popular usage in the early 80's...they really hated mix tapes and tried to kill home cassette recorders. On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 12:07 PM, robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Changed the subject line. That is a reason why the RIAA and MPAA are using scare tactic lawsuits. But they're late, and it amounts to punishing essentially innocent people for their own lateness. It's just a total mess, but I imagine that digital theft will be increasingly policed, and increasingly more ably policed, and the idea of digital theft will be a much more broadly understood crime by the mainstream in the not-too-distant future. It's inevitable. When this gets properly nailed down then you can wave good-bye to dj mixes online too. BPI etc consider these to be just as bad as a straight ripped file. robin...
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I can assure you that as long as I am breathing I will be making unauthorized freely shared promotional DJ mixes with media that I have paid for. When mixtapes are outlawed, only outlaws will make mixtapes. For my archive of such mixes since 1996 please visit http://www.deejaycountzero.com On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 1:00 PM, JT Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, sorta. Wave goodbye to DJ Mixes that haven't gone through proper channels. It sucks I know. It's sort of a replay of the record industry's response to cassette tapes when they came into popular usage in the early 80's...they really hated mix tapes and tried to kill home cassette recorders. On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 12:07 PM, robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Changed the subject line. That is a reason why the RIAA and MPAA are using scare tactic lawsuits. But they're late, and it amounts to punishing essentially innocent people for their own lateness. It's just a total mess, but I imagine that digital theft will be increasingly policed, and increasingly more ably policed, and the idea of digital theft will be a much more broadly understood crime by the mainstream in the not-too-distant future. It's inevitable. When this gets properly nailed down then you can wave good-bye to dj mixes online too. BPI etc consider these to be just as bad as a straight ripped file. robin... -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
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Me too. I only mention it because BPI shut 'a friend' down for providing mixes once. robin... On 29 Sep 2008, at 18:12, Frank Glazer wrote: I can assure you that as long as I am breathing I will be making unauthorized freely shared promotional DJ mixes with media that I have paid for. When mixtapes are outlawed, only outlaws will make mixtapes.
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Listening to music isn't an event anymore unless it's live. No one sits down and just listens. I think entertaining yourself on the go is turning into a huge problem. It's like yogurt tubes versus nice Greek yogurt with honey drizzled on it. -Morgan Geist By my reading of this, he's not saying that he thinks it's best for people to hear his music live. Instead, he sounds to me like he's bemoaning the modern audience's unwillingness or inability to experience listening to recorded music as an event in itself. I'm guessing that when you say that he hasn't dropped a record in 11 years, you are only counting solo full length albums (or CDs?) as a record. By my count, he's been pretty busy releasing music regularly over the past decade, solo, under pseudonyms, and as a part of various groups. Meaningful live representation seems like something that electronic music in particular has struggled with since it started being created. How does one reproduce a field recording, live, or a multitrack recording of painstakingly edited bits, or tape splicing on the fly. Sure, there are ways of representing any of these in a live setting, I suppose, but it is not the same thing as a band playing something together as a band in the studio and then together as a band on stage. It sounds like he wants to focus on creating and capturing his studio work, and he isn't finding the buyers or listeners he was hoping for. He's also begging the question as to whether the type of audience he hopes for even exists. m50 At 2008.09.26 12:00, kate simko wrote: You know, as much as I absolutely love Morgan Geist's music and respect him as an artist, I don't see him as a total victim in his anxiety stroll. A mutual friend of ours in Chicago told me about how he just wants to record music (not play shows) and how he's considering quitting music (same rant as the interview). Well, he says in his interview that Listening to music isn't an event anymore unless it's live. But he's not willing to play live. So, he thinks it's best for people to hear his music live (where they have to pay for the show!!) but he's not willing to give them that opportunity. The whole history of music up until the 20th century was based off of musicians playing for an audience. Only since the advent of recordings was selling a copy of a performance even and option. Ask any successful band or DJ and they will tell you that playing shows is the only viable option for supporting yourself off music right now. I don't think this is totally a bad thing. It should be an honor to play for people who enjoy your music (like Morgan says, he feels lucky that people pay attention to his music). Anyways, my point is Morgan Geist hasn't dropped a record in 11 years and doesn't want to play live- that's the root of his predicament. He has a great new record and *it's up to him* to make more music and play shows to get by financially. Or, as the original post said, take a break. He's a talented, blessed guy, I'm sorry to hear him sound so unhappy. On Sep 26, 2008, at 9:26 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reason it's not a business is because his fans won't let him make a living at it. You read what he said about people complimenting him on a record that isn't even released yet. That sucks. I've talked to struggling musicians who's so-called fans say straight to their face that they really enjoy their music but that they didn't pay for it - just got it off someone else or from a P2P site. That sucks and that's not any way to be a fan. I'm not surprised that Geist is feeling the way he is. How long could you possibly put up with that bullshyte before losing it? MEK Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/26/2008 05:03:50 AM: Oh yeah. I agree. Don't get me wrong, the honesty in there is refreshing. The problem, as I see it, for people making a living from music is that it's hard to take that break unless you're very (financially) successful. I guess they are going to have to accept that it's no longer a business and back to a hobby. m
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robin wrote: He should take a break: http://www.residentadvisor.net/feature-read.aspx?id=96 Oh I don't know Robin, it's a good interview that reflects the times and where his head is at - much better than some pointless back-story PR BS. Here's another one from Mick Harris: http://www.oc-tv.net/scorn,mick-harris.htm Wonderful stuff m
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On 26 Sep 2008, at 10:02, Martin Dust wrote: robin wrote: He should take a break: http://www.residentadvisor.net/feature-read.aspx?id=96 Oh I don't know Robin, it's a good interview that reflects the times and where his head is at - much better than some pointless back- story PR BS. Oh yeah. I agree. Don't get me wrong, the honesty in there is refreshing. The problem, as I see it, for people making a living from music is that it's hard to take that break unless you're very (financially) successful. I've had a few months away from music personally as occasionally you feel the shine going but then I have a day job that isn't music and have that luxury. I just spent my spare time modifying VWs instead. robin...
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Yeah I really enjoyed that interview with Geist. Ace hair cut as well. -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 10:02 AM To: robin Cc: 313 Org Subject: Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview robin wrote: He should take a break: http://www.residentadvisor.net/feature-read.aspx?id=96 Oh I don't know Robin, it's a good interview that reflects the times and where his head is at - much better than some pointless back-story PR BS. Here's another one from Mick Harris: http://www.oc-tv.net/scorn,mick-harris.htm Wonderful stuff m
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I get a better feel for where he's coming from in this interview: http://trickydiscobristol.blogspot.com/2008/09/td-interviews-morgan-geist.html robin... On 26 Sep 2008, at 10:32, Odeluga, Ken wrote: Yeah I really enjoyed that interview with Geist. Ace hair cut as well.
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Oh yeah. I agree. Don't get me wrong, the honesty in there is refreshing. The problem, as I see it, for people making a living from music is that it's hard to take that break unless you're very (financially) successful. I guess they are going to have to accept that it's no longer a business and back to a hobby. m
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that can only be a good thing if you like innovative music - Original Message - From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 Org 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 6:03 AM Subject: Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview Oh yeah. I agree. Don't get me wrong, the honesty in there is refreshing. The problem, as I see it, for people making a living from music is that it's hard to take that break unless you're very (financially) successful. I guess they are going to have to accept that it's no longer a business and back to a hobby. m
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Innovative music is a skam anyway On 26 sep 2008, at 12:43, /0 wrote: that can only be a good thing if you like innovative music - Original Message - From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 Org 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 6:03 AM Subject: Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview Oh yeah. I agree. Don't get me wrong, the honesty in there is refreshing. The problem, as I see it, for people making a living from music is that it's hard to take that break unless you're very (financially) successful. I guess they are going to have to accept that it's no longer a business and back to a hobby. m
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Apparently we were only into it for a laugh anyway, so why miss it now? -Original Message- From: Klaas-Jan Jongsma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 11:51 AM To: /0 Cc: Martin Dust; robin; 313 Org Subject: Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview Innovative music is a skam anyway On 26 sep 2008, at 12:43, /0 wrote: that can only be a good thing if you like innovative music - Original Message - From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 Org 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 6:03 AM Subject: Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview Oh yeah. I agree. Don't get me wrong, the honesty in there is refreshing. The problem, as I see it, for people making a living from music is that it's hard to take that break unless you're very (financially) successful. I guess they are going to have to accept that it's no longer a business and back to a hobby. m
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the interview is fantastic. i hung out with him last december in his studio and we talked about a lot of this stuff...it helps to know that even while he talks about this stuff he is a hilarious goofball. i agree with 99% of it.. On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 6:52 AM, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apparently we were only into it for a laugh anyway, so why miss it now? -Original Message- From: Klaas-Jan Jongsma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 11:51 AM To: /0 Cc: Martin Dust; robin; 313 Org Subject: Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview Innovative music is a skam anyway On 26 sep 2008, at 12:43, /0 wrote: that can only be a good thing if you like innovative music - Original Message - From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 Org 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 6:03 AM Subject: Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview Oh yeah. I agree. Don't get me wrong, the honesty in there is refreshing. The problem, as I see it, for people making a living from music is that it's hard to take that break unless you're very (financially) successful. I guess they are going to have to accept that it's no longer a business and back to a hobby. m
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Reason it's not a business is because his fans won't let him make a living at it. You read what he said about people complimenting him on a record that isn't even released yet. That sucks. I've talked to struggling musicians who's so-called fans say straight to their face that they really enjoy their music but that they didn't pay for it - just got it off someone else or from a P2P site. That sucks and that's not any way to be a fan. I'm not surprised that Geist is feeling the way he is. How long could you possibly put up with that bullshyte before losing it? MEK Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/26/2008 05:03:50 AM: Oh yeah. I agree. Don't get me wrong, the honesty in there is refreshing. The problem, as I see it, for people making a living from music is that it's hard to take that break unless you're very (financially) successful. I guess they are going to have to accept that it's no longer a business and back to a hobby. m
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That mother comment is priceless! On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:17 AM, JT Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the interview is fantastic. i hung out with him last december in his studio and we talked about a lot of this stuff...it helps to know that even while he talks about this stuff he is a hilarious goofball. i agree with 99% of it.. -- Technoir Audio http://www.technoiraudio.com dealing with your imperfect world
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On 26 Sep 2008, at 15:26, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reason it's not a business is because his fans won't let him make a living at it. You read what he said about people complimenting him on a record that isn't even released yet. That sucks. I've talked to struggling musicians who's so-called fans say straight to their face that they really enjoy their music but that they didn't pay for it - just got it off someone else or from a P2P site. That sucks and that's not any way to be a fan. I'm not surprised that Geist is feeling the way he is. How long could you possibly put up with that bullshyte before losing it? I suspect this is especially annoying as MG has made his stuff available on iTunes. I mean you can't get any easier to buy than that. I can proudly say that as a fan I have every one of his records and have gladly paid for them. I'm of a different generation to the fans he talks about though. robin...
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His stuff is also on Beatport.com and Boomkat.com. Friends don't let friends use ITunes. On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:17 AM, robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect this is especially annoying as MG has made his stuff available on iTunes. I mean you can't get any easier to buy than that.
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It's not really the fans' fault. The internet has forced a drastic re-configuration of the music business, that so far has not found any balance, it hasn't really re-configured in a sustainable way yet. MG was right about iPods and the fact that nobody really _listens_ to music anymore. The mp3 formulation flat-out sucks. I don't care what site you uh cite. The artifact and reality of music is ceasing to exist -- like MG says, seeing live music is becoming the only way to have a real music experience now. Technophiles will rant and rave about the freedom and access allowed by ethereal digital objects, but we are losing many of the old ways we marked and appreciated and valued cultural fuel such as music...the digital revolution got ahead of itself. It's not just because we're getting old. I'd go deeper and talk about Western cultural trends and politics and blabla but I'm tired. On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:26 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reason it's not a business is because his fans won't let him make a living at it. You read what he said about people complimenting him on a record that isn't even released yet. That sucks. I've talked to struggling musicians who's so-called fans say straight to their face that they really enjoy their music but that they didn't pay for it - just got it off someone else or from a P2P site. That sucks and that's not any way to be a fan. I'm not surprised that Geist is feeling the way he is. How long could you possibly put up with that bullshyte before losing it? MEK Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/26/2008 05:03:50 AM: Oh yeah. I agree. Don't get me wrong, the honesty in there is refreshing. The problem, as I see it, for people making a living from music is that it's hard to take that break unless you're very (financially) successful. I guess they are going to have to accept that it's no longer a business and back to a hobby. m
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I think JT is on the right lines ... I appreciate this kind of discussion. And no way am I pessimistic about the music industry - certainly not about the music that we like. I feel some sort of resolutions or homestasis in this newly formed system of appreciating music [including paying for it!] is pretty near, although I'm loathe to pin my mast to the board about it yet Still too much uncertainty. -Original Message- From: JT Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 4:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Martin Dust; 313 Org; robin Subject: Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview It's not really the fans' fault. The internet has forced a drastic re-configuration of the music business, that so far has not found any balance, it hasn't really re-configured in a sustainable way yet. MG was right about iPods and the fact that nobody really _listens_ to music anymore. The mp3 formulation flat-out sucks. I don't care what site you uh cite. The artifact and reality of music is ceasing to exist -- like MG says, seeing live music is becoming the only way to have a real music experience now. Technophiles will rant and rave about the freedom and access allowed by ethereal digital objects, but we are losing many of the old ways we marked and appreciated and valued cultural fuel such as music...the digital revolution got ahead of itself. It's not just because we're getting old. I'd go deeper and talk about Western cultural trends and politics and blabla but I'm tired. On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:26 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reason it's not a business is because his fans won't let him make a living at it. You read what he said about people complimenting him on a record that isn't even released yet. That sucks. I've talked to struggling musicians who's so-called fans say straight to their face that they really enjoy their music but that they didn't pay for it - just got it off someone else or from a P2P site. That sucks and that's not any way to be a fan. I'm not surprised that Geist is feeling the way he is. How long could you possibly put up with that bullshyte before losing it? MEK Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/26/2008 05:03:50 AM: Oh yeah. I agree. Don't get me wrong, the honesty in there is refreshing. The problem, as I see it, for people making a living from music is that it's hard to take that break unless you're very (financially) successful. I guess they are going to have to accept that it's no longer a business and back to a hobby. m
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His stuff is also on Beatport.com and Boomkat.com. Friends don't let friends use ITunes. Indeed. A good vendor: http://www.whatpeopleplay.com/ (the Word and Sound people) Apple have enough cash. (Wasn't my point really but not to worry). Actually for people who want to use digital files for djing iTunes is a bit of a pain to use (convert AAC+ to mp3 then use, I prefer wavs). I personally prefer to record the vinyl but there you go... We're veering into the same old same old arguments now though so I'll shut up. It's Friday! robin...
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Wait a second... how is it _not_ the fans fault for Geist not getting paid for his music when people download via P2P before it's even out? you can't blame the technology - it takes someone to drive that car to get it from A to B P2P/blogs/etc. sites aren't breaking into people's houses and forcing the files on them nobody is holding the fans at gun point and telling them that they MUST share the files with all of their friends they're doing it willingly and not thinking about what it costs the artist - especially the struggling independent artist people are looking to get something for nothing it is the fans fault but they just don't want to admit that their actions are hurting the musicians they claim to love it's a case of sticking their fingers in their ears and yelling I can't hear you! you can say that we're losing the old way of appreciating music but the fact remains that people are still taking the music and the musicians aren't getting paid for it it's pretty black and white - if you want the music you should give something in return that the musician can use most of the time, that something is financial funding if you don't have the money to pay the musician for it then you shouldn't have it - in a world that was good the musicians you wouldn't have people with half a gazillion tunes in their iTunes unless they are millionaires you should be content with having less music shouldn't be treated like a cheap commodity by the fans nor anyone else continuing to blame the technology lets the so-called fans off the hook - they don't have to face the fact that getting Morgan Geist's tracks off a friend hurts Morgan Geist MEK JT Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/26/2008 10:28:05 AM: It's not really the fans' fault. The internet has forced a drastic re-configuration of the music business, that so far has not found any balance, it hasn't really re-configured in a sustainable way yet. MG was right about iPods and the fact that nobody really _listens_ to music anymore. The mp3 formulation flat-out sucks. I don't care what site you uh cite. The artifact and reality of music is ceasing to exist -- like MG says, seeing live music is becoming the only way to have a real music experience now. Technophiles will rant and rave about the freedom and access allowed by ethereal digital objects, but we are losing many of the old ways we marked and appreciated and valued cultural fuel such as music...the digital revolution got ahead of itself. It's not just because we're getting old. I'd go deeper and talk about Western cultural trends and politics and blabla but I'm tired. On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:26 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reason it's not a business is because his fans won't let him make a living at it. You read what he said about people complimenting him on a record that isn't even released yet. That sucks. I've talked to struggling musicians who's so-called fans say straight to their face that they really enjoy their music but that they didn't pay for it - just got it off someone else or from a P2P site. That sucks and that's not any way to be a fan. I'm not surprised that Geist is feeling the way he is. How long could you possibly put up with that bullshyte before losing it? MEK Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/26/2008 05:03:50 AM: Oh yeah. I agree. Don't get me wrong, the honesty in there is refreshing. The problem, as I see it, for people making a living from music is that it's hard to take that break unless you're very (financially) successful. I guess they are going to have to accept that it's no longer a business and back to a hobby. m
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This isn't the place to debate it, obviously, but the fact is that high-bitrate MP3s can't be distinguished from CDs in blind listening tests. You can argue that vinyl is superior to both those formats, but in the majority of listening situations the difference in sound between the formats is swamped by the quality of the playback equipment. And to your second point, as someone who has literally run out of room in my house for vinyl and CDs (and by 'literally' I mean literally literally, and it's not a small house), I am really happy with having my music on hard disk. It's searchable in a way my CDs and vinyl never will be. You have to be paranoid about backing it up, but it's a more manageable way to handle a large collection. And to the third point -- artist compensation -- with a few exceptions, few people make a good living out of music, and that was just as true 100 years ago as now. Technology has upset how musicians make their living over and over again. Some people adapt and do OK, and some people get bitter and complain. Musicians complaining about people not paying for their music shouldn't make the same mistake Software publishers and Major labels do -- every illicit copy does not represent a lost sale. Studies indicate the biggest downloaders are also the biggest spenders when it comes to music. And someone who hears your music, no matter the context, is more likely to purchase it than someone who has never heard it. Even before the bottom fell out of the dance vinyl market, DJs and producers made more money from playing out than vinyl sales. Now, when music is no longer made artificially scarce by being tied to a physical object, it remains true that a live performance is the only irreplaceable, unreproducable thing. It seems to me that isn't a completely bad thing, either. I don't say this to justify something-for-nothing deadbeats that never pay for music, just to point out that it's not a black and white thing. On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:28 AM, JT Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The mp3 formulation flat-out sucks. I don't care what site you uh cite. The artifact and reality of music is ceasing to exist -- like MG says, seeing live music is becoming the only way to have a real music experience now. Technophiles will rant and rave about the freedom and access allowed by ethereal digital objects, but we are losing many of the old ways we marked and appreciated and valued cultural fuel such as music...the digital revolution got ahead of itself. It's not just because we're getting old.
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I agree with you on all of that Kent, except this bit: This isn't the place to debate it, obviously, but the fact is that high-bitrate MP3s can't be distinguished from CDs in blind listening tests. You can argue that vinyl is superior to both those formats, but in the majority of listening situations the difference in sound between the formats is swamped by the quality of the playback equipment. If you come to a club like the one we use and play mp3s, you will soon notice 'The Look' from people out there on the floor. It just becomes bloomin' obvious on a good system when you sling on lossy files. For it to not become obvious *everybody* would have to play mp3s - but then why bother when you can get better quality by using higher-bitrate, albeit having to invest in more storage capacity [I'm not mentioning vinyl, note! ;-)] * NB, I for one have no reluctance to not have this debate every time it comes up. The reason why it keeps coming up is that it's important to us - and I would add before someone picks me up on it, it's well on topic too, imo -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 5:09 PM To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview This isn't the place to debate it, obviously, but the fact is that high-bitrate MP3s can't be distinguished from CDs in blind listening tests. You can argue that vinyl is superior to both those formats, but in the majority of listening situations the difference in sound between the formats is swamped by the quality of the playback equipment. And to your second point, as someone who has literally run out of room in my house for vinyl and CDs (and by 'literally' I mean literally literally, and it's not a small house), I am really happy with having my music on hard disk. It's searchable in a way my CDs and vinyl never will be. You have to be paranoid about backing it up, but it's a more manageable way to handle a large collection. And to the third point -- artist compensation -- with a few exceptions, few people make a good living out of music, and that was just as true 100 years ago as now. Technology has upset how musicians make their living over and over again. Some people adapt and do OK, and some people get bitter and complain. Musicians complaining about people not paying for their music shouldn't make the same mistake Software publishers and Major labels do -- every illicit copy does not represent a lost sale. Studies indicate the biggest downloaders are also the biggest spenders when it comes to music. And someone who hears your music, no matter the context, is more likely to purchase it than someone who has never heard it. Even before the bottom fell out of the dance vinyl market, DJs and producers made more money from playing out than vinyl sales. Now, when music is no longer made artificially scarce by being tied to a physical object, it remains true that a live performance is the only irreplaceable, unreproducable thing. It seems to me that isn't a completely bad thing, either. I don't say this to justify something-for-nothing deadbeats that never pay for music, just to point out that it's not a black and white thing. On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:28 AM, JT Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The mp3 formulation flat-out sucks. I don't care what site you uh cite. The artifact and reality of music is ceasing to exist -- like MG says, seeing live music is becoming the only way to have a real music experience now. Technophiles will rant and rave about the freedom and access allowed by ethereal digital objects, but we are losing many of the old ways we marked and appreciated and valued cultural fuel such as music...the digital revolution got ahead of itself. It's not just because we're getting old.
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You know, as much as I absolutely love Morgan Geist's music and respect him as an artist, I don't see him as a total victim in his anxiety stroll. A mutual friend of ours in Chicago told me about how he just wants to record music (not play shows) and how he's considering quitting music (same rant as the interview). Well, he says in his interview that Listening to music isn't an event anymore unless it's live. But he's not willing to play live. So, he thinks it's best for people to hear his music live (where they have to pay for the show!!) but he's not willing to give them that opportunity. The whole history of music up until the 20th century was based off of musicians playing for an audience. Only since the advent of recordings was selling a copy of a performance even and option. Ask any successful band or DJ and they will tell you that playing shows is the only viable option for supporting yourself off music right now. I don't think this is totally a bad thing. It should be an honor to play for people who enjoy your music (like Morgan says, he feels lucky that people pay attention to his music). Anyways, my point is Morgan Geist hasn't dropped a record in 11 years and doesn't want to play live- that's the root of his predicament. He has a great new record and *it's up to him* to make more music and play shows to get by financially. Or, as the original post said, take a break. He's a talented, blessed guy, I'm sorry to hear him sound so unhappy. On Sep 26, 2008, at 9:26 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reason it's not a business is because his fans won't let him make a living at it. You read what he said about people complimenting him on a record that isn't even released yet. That sucks. I've talked to struggling musicians who's so-called fans say straight to their face that they really enjoy their music but that they didn't pay for it - just got it off someone else or from a P2P site. That sucks and that's not any way to be a fan. I'm not surprised that Geist is feeling the way he is. How long could you possibly put up with that bullshyte before losing it? MEK Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/26/2008 05:03:50 AM: Oh yeah. I agree. Don't get me wrong, the honesty in there is refreshing. The problem, as I see it, for people making a living from music is that it's hard to take that break unless you're very (financially) successful. I guess they are going to have to accept that it's no longer a business and back to a hobby. m
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This is all true if you are looking at the problem and not the cause. But if you look at the roots of the problem, it is the same issue that has plagued the music business since it's inception. Intellectual property, what it is, and how you market it. That is the music business. Focusing on performance, saying shut up and perform and be a real worker, is an easy way to make irrelevant the last 120 years; I don't see that as a reasonable conclusion, it's purely pragmatic, and a rather outdated approach. It glazes over the intellectual property aspect which is fundamental. For example -- is writing worthless, then? If you can write music but can't perform it, you're just sh*t out of luck in that scenario. Because when music sales fail, when intellectual property can be so easily stolen and appropriated, it subverts other old-fashioned ways of making a living from music such as writing and publishing as well. I appreciate the pragmatic, and that simpler/old-fashioned is better sometimes, but that is not a progressive or entirely relevant position. And blaming the fans/sometimes-customers isn't really a helpful way of figuring out why the market is running into the problems it does. Convenience is impossible to compete with; when something is free, it's ridiculous to expect people to go pay for it anyway. We live in individualistic societies, doing the right thing does not drive markets. I sure wish it did. This is capitalism, and capitalism demands viable products, safeguards that protect that viability, etc (hence we have the RIAA desperately suing people). The internet as we know it may not exist for that much longer. That is the only conclusion I can come to. But I really don't have an answer. If I did I'd be rich and famous.
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It's a tough discussion, and I'm still wrestling with my opinions. On one hand, I respect anyone trying to make a living making music. It's a tough road (especially for electronic music), and having your property stolen (downloaded for free) when you need it to pay bills is a bitter pill to deal with. I want professional artists to be able to earn a living making good music. On the other hand though, It just naturally irks me how much money the top artists make, for doing something most of us have a lot of fun doing for free or very little compensation. That's easy for me to say, though, since no one is offering me thousands of dollars to go play records overseas for a few hours at a time (haha), I'm not running a successful label selling lots of music to people, and I'm not trying to earn a living through music. These aren't new issues, and I think these things obviously depend a lot on what vantage point you are viewing them from. On the rare occasions I've been paid for djing, it instantly felt different than when I'm just goofing off at some house party with other local djs. As soon as money was involved it just felt different. Maybe because I have a career that has nothing to do with music (I'm an Architect), I can have the luxury of keeping music in that 'pure' space where it's not about getting paid. -End Rant- Arturo
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This is a nice selection... I just listened to the samples through about 20 times last night, whatever you think about the album, there's a pretty strong vision there... http://www.juno.co.uk/ppps/products/304896-01.htm -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 4:09 AM To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview This isn't the place to debate it, obviously, but the fact is that high-bitrate MP3s can't be distinguished from CDs in blind listening tests. You can argue that vinyl is superior to both those formats, but in the majority of listening situations the difference in sound between the formats is swamped by the quality of the playback equipment. And to your second point, as someone who has literally run out of room in my house for vinyl and CDs (and by 'literally' I mean literally literally, and it's not a small house), I am really happy with having my music on hard disk. It's searchable in a way my CDs and vinyl never will be. You have to be paranoid about backing it up, but it's a more manageable way to handle a large collection. And to the third point -- artist compensation -- with a few exceptions, few people make a good living out of music, and that was just as true 100 years ago as now. Technology has upset how musicians make their living over and over again. Some people adapt and do OK, and some people get bitter and complain. Musicians complaining about people not paying for their music shouldn't make the same mistake Software publishers and Major labels do -- every illicit copy does not represent a lost sale. Studies indicate the biggest downloaders are also the biggest spenders when it comes to music. And someone who hears your music, no matter the context, is more likely to purchase it than someone who has never heard it. Even before the bottom fell out of the dance vinyl market, DJs and producers made more money from playing out than vinyl sales. Now, when music is no longer made artificially scarce by being tied to a physical object, it remains true that a live performance is the only irreplaceable, unreproducable thing. It seems to me that isn't a completely bad thing, either. I don't say this to justify something-for-nothing deadbeats that never pay for music, just to point out that it's not a black and white thing. On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:28 AM, JT Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The mp3 formulation flat-out sucks. I don't care what site you uh cite. The artifact and reality of music is ceasing to exist -- like MG says, seeing live music is becoming the only way to have a real music experience now. Technophiles will rant and rave about the freedom and access allowed by ethereal digital objects, but we are losing many of the old ways we marked and appreciated and valued cultural fuel such as music...the digital revolution got ahead of itself. It's not just because we're getting old. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.3/1694 - Release Date: 9/26/2008 6:55 PM
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Scorn has been one of my faves through the years and I've loved how much
the music has changed over time, yet the essence of it persists.
The sound in the video unfortunately was singular and one-dimensional.
You couldn't really hear the backing sounds, which is where his magic
lies. The video didn't even hint at the glories Mick Harris is capable
of bringing to the table.
Regardless, I love that the video included footage of the Swans from a
period when they were still respectable...
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Martin Dust wrote:
Here's another one from Mick Harris:
http://www.oc-tv.net/scorn,mick-harris.htm
Wonderful stuff
m
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my favourite quote: Is your record collection disproportionately vintage? I don’t buy any new shit. james www.jbucknell.com Aidan O'Doherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To 23/11/04 01:36 PM 313@hyperreal.org cc Subject (313) morgan geist interview http://www.stylusmagazine.com/feature.php?ID=1360 thanks, aidan ForwardSourceID:NT00016206
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my favourite quote: Is your record collection disproportionately vintage? I don’t buy any new shit. You know what? I have ENOUGH mates like this. I think they're all backwards. Yeah, I like to dig for my old tracks as much as the next man, and sometimes I have trouble keeping up with them, but I feel an obligation, not to mention the fact that I think there's plenty of exciting new music around. They're all retarded if you ask me, keep the new music economy alive I say. And what you gonna do when you dj? not play anything past 1985? And then try to blag my head you're a cutting edge dj? PAH. And, what makes me laugh even more, Morgan doesn't buy new records, but wants people to buy his!! teeehee. : ) _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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btw, that unclassics cd is dope - I got it for my brithday, I really like it... and, oww, whens that cover of magnifique coming? my mate wanted kylie to do magnifique you know! _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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Hopefully Morgan was joking. yeah, he probably was.. Or was he?? but, thing is, I have at least three mates who aren't joking at all. and DO NOT buy any new records what-so-ever. and I just can't get on it, it seems way way too backward to me. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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totally agree with you, alex. there's always good music, each era has it. e.g. metro area in our days, rite? :) morgan geist's position just reminds me of herbert and his dogma. maybe you just can't stand electronic, sampling music after producing it for so many years, you get tired of it. nevertheless, it's completely backward and i guess morgan knows it: But I disappoint myself in a way because I feel like I’m getting old or something. give the man some new and fresh records... :) c. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hopefully Morgan was joking. yeah, he probably was.. Or was he?? but, thing is, I have at least three mates who aren't joking at all. and DO NOT buy any new records what-so-ever. and I just can't get on it, it seems way way too backward to me. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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Oh god. Why do I feel this is going to backfire on me big time? He just said I don't buy any new records at the minute or something, and I just thought that was a kinda funny lil comment! So, I just thought I'd poke a lil fun and say what, not even yours Morgan? in a kinda joking way. I take your point and that, but I reckon it was just an off the cuff remark - didn't sound like a tirade against modern music to me. *he says, waiting for Morgan to appear shortly* I'm off, before I get myself in any more mither. Alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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-- Original Message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] btw, that unclassics cd is dope - I got it for my brithday, I really like it... it got reviewed in rolling stone this month, got 4 stars. they also mentioned it in the staff picks thing on the back page. weird. morgan and darshan deejayed in pittsburgh a couple weekends ago, it was super hot (lots of good old stuff obviously ;) and they were super cool. i had to trainspot a couple really nice jams off of them. tom andythepooh.com
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-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 November 2004 15:25 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) morgan geist interview Hopefully Morgan was joking. yeah, he probably was.. Or was he?? but, thing is, I have at least three mates who aren't joking at all. and DO NOT buy any new records what-so-ever. and I just can't get on it, it seems way way too backward to me. Agreed 100%, for one reason: Even if stuff never seems to be *new* these day, did it really ever, other than when we hadn't been exposed to most of it? I'm totally happy to be hearing a resurgence in new acid, new mid-'90s Detroit sounds, etc. As if there could ever be too many of these records! Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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any record i've never heard before is new to me. i'm always discovering new sounds and new artists - i've recently discovered patrick adams and peter brown. it may not be new to a lot of people, but it sure as hell is to me and i'm loving the stuff. and anyway, what's so new about the latest release on poker flat or king st, or moods and grooves or by rob hood? i've already got a couple of thousand house and techno records. it's not like there's that much differnce between them. if a track makes my heart sing and makes me wish i was on a dance floor moving my arse then i buy it, regardless of what year it was made. james www.jbucknell.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] com To 24/11/04 09:35 AM 313@hyperreal.org cc Subject Re: (313) morgan geist interview my favourite quote: Is your record collection disproportionately vintage? I don’t buy any new shit. You know what? I have ENOUGH mates like this. I think they're all backwards. Yeah, I like to dig for my old tracks as much as the next man, and sometimes I have trouble keeping up with them, but I feel an obligation, not to mention the fact that I think there's plenty of exciting new music around. They're all retarded if you ask me, keep the new music economy alive I say. And what you gonna do when you dj? not play anything past 1985? And then try to blag my head you're a cutting edge dj? PAH. And, what makes me laugh even more, Morgan doesn't buy new records, but wants people to buy his!! teeehee. : ) _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. ForwardSourceID:NT00016292
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This is one of the best artist interviews I've read in a long time, I thoroughly enjoyed it! Thanks so much for posting. Leslie -Original Message- From: Aidan O'Doherty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 8:36 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) morgan geist interview http://www.stylusmagazine.com/feature.php?ID=1360 thanks, aidan
