Re: (313) New Mills Album - Sleeper Wakes

[darnistle]

I see on the Axis site that he also has another album out, "The 
Occurrence", which sounds very fun.


Hopefully, I'll be able to pick up one or both of them in a few weeks 
while I'm in Detroit.


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On 5/18/2010 4:55 PM, ja...@iridite.com wrote:

No problem - think it might be one of his Japanese only CD releases
but you can probably get it from Axis (or us!)

cheers

Jason

On 18 May 2010 14:51, darnistle  wrote:

A new Mills album!  How exciting!!

Thanks for posting this!

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On 5/15/2010 10:53 AM, ja...@iridite.com wrote:


Hi everyone - what you all think of the new Mill's album?  Just
listening to it at the moment and it's going down very well indeed -
reminds me of "From the 21st" (my favourite "home listening" Mills
album) in places.  Lot's of incredibly solid, menacing Bass Drums and
hypnotic ticking Hi Hats (why is it when I do a straight 16's Closed
909 Hi Hat it sounds rubbish and when Mills does it, it sounds
hypnotic) and spaced out chords floating about all over the place.

I forgot to mention, in an attempt to out do Anya at Bleep 43, Rubadub
have Jeff Mills playing here in at the Sub Club in Glasgow on my 40th
(July 23rd if you want to send flowers, cards etc) - the venue holds
about 300-400 people and he rarely gets a chance to play in such
intimate surroundings here so we're looking forward to it.  He's
promised to do something pretty special (juggling, kniting??) and is
playing for three hours .  The only downside is that as it's a
Significant Birthday for me it's unlikely I'll be able to remember a
thing the next day so he could be playing a set of Euro Trance Bangers
and I wouldn't know the difference.

The first batch of tickets sold out in three days but there will be a
second batch at the start of July and a small amount kept by on the
door.

As well as my birthday,  it's Rubadub's 18th birthday too (Legal to
drink at last!!) and the launch of our new website too so I'll keep
ya'll informed as things develop.

cheers

Jason

Re: (313) New Mills Album - Sleeper Wakes

[ja...@iridite.com]

No problem - think it might be one of his Japanese only CD releases
but you can probably get it from Axis (or us!)

cheers

Jason

On 18 May 2010 14:51, darnistle  wrote:
> A new Mills album!  How exciting!!
>
> Thanks for posting this!
>
> {}0+>|
>
> On 5/15/2010 10:53 AM, ja...@iridite.com wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone - what you all think of the new Mill's album?  Just
>> listening to it at the moment and it's going down very well indeed -
>> reminds me of "From the 21st" (my favourite "home listening" Mills
>> album) in places.  Lot's of incredibly solid, menacing Bass Drums and
>> hypnotic ticking Hi Hats (why is it when I do a straight 16's Closed
>> 909 Hi Hat it sounds rubbish and when Mills does it, it sounds
>> hypnotic) and spaced out chords floating about all over the place.
>>
>> I forgot to mention, in an attempt to out do Anya at Bleep 43, Rubadub
>> have Jeff Mills playing here in at the Sub Club in Glasgow on my 40th
>> (July 23rd if you want to send flowers, cards etc) - the venue holds
>> about 300-400 people and he rarely gets a chance to play in such
>> intimate surroundings here so we're looking forward to it.  He's
>> promised to do something pretty special (juggling, kniting??) and is
>> playing for three hours .  The only downside is that as it's a
>> Significant Birthday for me it's unlikely I'll be able to remember a
>> thing the next day so he could be playing a set of Euro Trance Bangers
>> and I wouldn't know the difference.
>>
>> The first batch of tickets sold out in three days but there will be a
>> second batch at the start of July and a small amount kept by on the
>> door.
>>
>> As well as my birthday,  it's Rubadub's 18th birthday too (Legal to
>> drink at last!!) and the launch of our new website too so I'll keep
>> ya'll informed as things develop.
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> Jason
>

Re: (313) New Mills Album - Sleeper Wakes

[darnistle]

A new Mills album!  How exciting!!

Thanks for posting this!

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On 5/15/2010 10:53 AM, ja...@iridite.com wrote:

Hi everyone - what you all think of the new Mill's album?  Just
listening to it at the moment and it's going down very well indeed -
reminds me of "From the 21st" (my favourite "home listening" Mills
album) in places.  Lot's of incredibly solid, menacing Bass Drums and
hypnotic ticking Hi Hats (why is it when I do a straight 16's Closed
909 Hi Hat it sounds rubbish and when Mills does it, it sounds
hypnotic) and spaced out chords floating about all over the place.

I forgot to mention, in an attempt to out do Anya at Bleep 43, Rubadub
have Jeff Mills playing here in at the Sub Club in Glasgow on my 40th
(July 23rd if you want to send flowers, cards etc) - the venue holds
about 300-400 people and he rarely gets a chance to play in such
intimate surroundings here so we're looking forward to it.  He's
promised to do something pretty special (juggling, kniting??) and is
playing for three hours .  The only downside is that as it's a
Significant Birthday for me it's unlikely I'll be able to remember a
thing the next day so he could be playing a set of Euro Trance Bangers
and I wouldn't know the difference.

The first batch of tickets sold out in three days but there will be a
second batch at the start of July and a small amount kept by on the
door.

As well as my birthday,  it's Rubadub's 18th birthday too (Legal to
drink at last!!) and the launch of our new website too so I'll keep
ya'll informed as things develop.

cheers

Jason

Re: (313) New Mills cd, etc.

[David Smith]

My freind let me hear the cd, and bought it at hmv.com, but paid alot for 
it--the digital version is tits.




From: Jason Brunton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: David Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: (313) New Mills cd, etc.
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 23:16:45 +

Hey David- where did you manage to track it down?

cheers

Jason
On 1 Nov 2005, at 05:27, David Smith wrote:

This is an excellent CD well worth the extra effort to find--it is  out 
there ;-D






From: Wojtek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: (313) New Mills cd, etc.
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:21:34 -0700

Does anyone have info on this relaease?  http://www.discogs.com/ 
release/544601
Is it availble outside of Japan yet?  The discogs notes say that  it's a 
US release, but it doesn't seem to be available from any  known outlets.


Also, some nice pics of Mills live with a 909 and Scion (does this  mean 
that a new release of theirs is in the works?) performing can  be found 
here http://blog.excite.co.jp/jeff05


wojtek

Re: (313) New Mills cd, etc.

[Benoît Pueyo]

Well I have the tracks on the 9 7" records collection and they are good 
though they sound very classic in the "mills" style.


I guess some of these 7" are still available on the axis shop on the 
website.


--
Benoît.

David Smith a écrit :
This is an excellent CD well worth the extra effort to find--it is out 
there ;-D





From: Wojtek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: (313) New Mills cd, etc.
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:21:34 -0700

Does anyone have info on this relaease?  
http://www.discogs.com/release/544601
Is it availble outside of Japan yet?  The discogs notes say that it's 
a US release, but it doesn't seem to be available from any known outlets.


Also, some nice pics of Mills live with a 909 and Scion (does this 
mean that a new release of theirs is in the works?) performing can be 
found here http://blog.excite.co.jp/jeff05


wojtek

RE: (313) New Mills cd, etc.

[David Smith]

This is an excellent CD well worth the extra effort to find--it is out there 
;-D





From: Wojtek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: (313) New Mills cd, etc.
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:21:34 -0700

Does anyone have info on this relaease?  
http://www.discogs.com/release/544601
Is it availble outside of Japan yet?  The discogs notes say that it's a US 
release, but it doesn't seem to be available from any known outlets.


Also, some nice pics of Mills live with a 909 and Scion (does this mean 
that a new release of theirs is in the works?) performing can be found here 
http://blog.excite.co.jp/jeff05


wojtek

Re: (313) New Mills cd, etc.

[Matt Kane's Brain]

On Oct 24, 2005, at 19:21, Wojtek wrote:
Also, some nice pics of Mills live with a 909 and Scion (does this 
mean that a new release of theirs is in the works?) performing can be 
found here http://blog.excite.co.jp/jeff05


there's some fairly recent remixes from substance (half of scion) out 
in the wild. his remix of mikkel metal on echocord from august is 
pretty nice


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aim -> mkbatwerk || mkbwriu
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Re: (313) new Mills

[DelCimmuto]

also, as my last post on this, and not to attack or argue with tim, as an
"artist" myself, I think people can carry the "artistic integrity" thing too
far.

just because music = art and art = endless subjectivity, does not mean that
people involved in music and conceptualization cannot disappear up their own
arse (love that! hjahahaaha)


-joe

- Original Message - 
From: "Steward, Tim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 1:35 PM
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


> There is no way you can say mills is a lightweight,
> Music production is an art, and art is a form of expression
> if you choose not to buy it that's your choice, but call
> him a lightweight when he is a true artist..It appears to me
> that he is able to continually re-create himself and capture
> his audience. If you take a look around the industry there are
> many people that copy the things he does, for example
> without naming names - who just recently copied his See The Light
> idea...and who will copy the dvd concept next..
> The art of DJing is not easy we all know, but the art of music
> production is not easy either (believe me) In order for the techno
> (electro,house,jungle,trance etc...) scene to survive more people
> have to constantly step out on the edge and try to re-create themselves.
>
> TS-1   (Deep in the 313) Where music evolves from the soul of the city
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 1:27 PM
> To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT)
> Cc: 'Robert Taylor'; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
>
>
> you want a concept? buy a friggen Nation of Ulysses record. Now they had
> f**kin concepts.
>
> Mills is a lightweight.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 8 Apr 2004, Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) wrote:
>
> > Right, right, I see...it's "diss Mills time" again!!
> > At the end of the day, take it or leave it. If that's how HE chooses to
do
> > things, and you don't get it, then don't worry about it!!
> > Take from it what you want.
> > At the end of the day, the concepts don't sell the records to me, at
all -
> > but I certainly wouldn't attempt to belittle the ideas by imposing my
> > opinion on others.
> >
> > Better than conceptualising about drug monkeys in a nightclub anyway -
> > because that is just not challenging, in the slightest.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 08 April 2004 1:12
> > To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
> > Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
> >
> >
> > A concept that is somewhat lacking if it takes a load of highfaluting
> > nonsense to explain it.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:07 AM
> > To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
> > Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
> >
> >
> > That he's composed a piece of music based specifically around an idea, a
> > concept.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 08 April 2004 1:06
> > To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
> > Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
> >
> >
> > My arse exists on more levels than the purely conceptual, Ryan.
> >
> > What do you mean by conceptual?
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:05 AM
> > To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
> > Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
> >
> >
> > No, it's obviously conceptual.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 08 April 2004 1:04
> > To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
> > Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
> >
> >
> > My arse
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:03 AM
> > To: Robert Taylor; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
> > Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
> >
> >
> > To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 08 April 2004 1:02
> > To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
> > Subject: RE: (3

Re: (313) new Mills

[DelCimmuto]

its 4/4 techno for gods sake, not encrypted audio code for
communication with alien civilizations  (although now Im sure someone will
argue with that :)

;)


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From: "Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Robert Taylor'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Andrew"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 7:03 AM
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


> To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 08 April 2004 1:02
> To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
>
>
> But it's just a record
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:58 AM
> To: 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
>
>
> Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-)
>
> "Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the
design
> to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time"
>
> This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation
where
> you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being
> received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment
> other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited
sense
> these things cease to exist.
>
> Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario, actually a very
> interesting situation which highlights certain things about how we
perceive
> and know anything at all.
>
> So there!
>
> Peace,
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
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RE: (313) new Mills

[Logic7]

Jesus Hay-Zeus El Salvador Christ!!!

I knew this whole conversation would degrade to something like this... Well,
either this or something racial (thankfully, it hasn't gone there... Yet).

Bottom line here:

Mills is nice with his and he has a new release. Some will buy it, others
will not. Some like him, others do not. Does anything else really matter?


George Jones - Logic7
http://allways.nu
http://www.geocities.com/labwerx

-Original Message-
From: Steward, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:56 AM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


Let us see you step up to the plate, what's the title of your
latest cut - let me go pick it up and see who the lightweight is...


313   - TS-1

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Re: (313) new Mills

[Stewart Caig]

This whole issue with conceptual records seems so old to me. I mean look at
all the UR stuff, Code Breaker, The Dark Energy EPs, the WPA records, Red
Planet, Drexciya. Even a lot of the old Mills UR stuff like Seawolf. Its all
conceptual to a point. Its not like this is something new Mills is doing.
Ok, he may be taking it to new levels, but some of his most conceptual stuff
has been cool. The Metropolis project, the Rings of Saturn thing. So does
the concept behind these records make the music any better in the moment of
listenjng or dancing to them? Maybe not, but some of the concepts are pretty
damn cool. I certainly think the idea of a race of underwater Drexciyans
adds a certain colour to that particular catalogue of music and I personally
dig it. If Mills has serious artistic aspirations for this music then let
him have them, hes not the only one doing it and I dont see anyone slagging
off Richie for the whole Plastikman thing...then again...oh no
what have I started now!!!

Stewart


- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "john harvey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "313" <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: (313) new Mills


> jeff mills is american- so there =P
>
> On Thu, 8 Apr 2004, john harvey wrote:
>
> > it's colour - color is the american spelling
> >
> >
> > > its' spelled 'color', not 'colour'
> > >
> > >
> > > -wankers  ;)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 8 Apr 2004, john harvey wrote:
> > >
> > > > we all know that white is not a colour but your remark is pedantic
as it
> > > > doesn't relate to or change the argument in any way.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > once again, white is not a colour...white is no colour, black is
all.
> > thats
> > > > the point i think of blue room vs white room
> > > >
> > > > well, your statement seemed to be backing the argument that the
colour
> > white
> > > > was used for a special reason - but i was saying that based on your
> > argument
> > > > this couldn't be true, as you seem to now agree; the uniformity of
white
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> > > > no different from the uniformity of any other colour.
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RE: (313) new Mills

[yussel]

not sure what spw is.

i do kick it with S1W



step!





On Thu, 8 Apr 2004, Steward, Tim wrote:

> And I don't hang out with spw
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 2:12 PM
> To: 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> >hahahahahahahah!
> >
> >have you ever read an NoU booklet?
>
> dont lie to us, man. do you hang out with spw?
>
> tom
>
> 
> andythepooh.com
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RE: (313) new Mills

[Steward, Tim]

And I don't hang out with spw 

-Original Message-
From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 2:12 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


-- Original Message --
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

>hahahahahahahah!
>
>have you ever read an NoU booklet?

dont lie to us, man. do you hang out with spw? 

tom 


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RE: (313) new Mills

[Steward, Tim]

It was for yussel, but I don't think I need to argue about this
anymore, because we each have our own opinions...
But I will read a NoU CD booklet, and my point will still stand
that mills is not a lightweight. And I won't call NoU lightweights
either because I respect what each artist does.

TS-1

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 2:02 PM
To: Steward, Tim
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


easy sparky.

i said when it comes to concepts- mills is a lightweight. read a NoU CD
booklet and see what i'm saying.

On Thu, 8 Apr 2004, Steward, Tim wrote:

> There is no way you can say mills is a lightweight,
> Music production is an art, and art is a form of expression
> if you choose not to buy it that's your choice, but call
> him a lightweight when he is a true artist..It appears to me
> that he is able to continually re-create himself and capture
> his audience. If you take a look around the industry there are
> many people that copy the things he does, for example
> without naming names - who just recently copied his See The Light
> idea...and who will copy the dvd concept next..
> The art of DJing is not easy we all know, but the art of music
> production is not easy either (believe me) In order for the techno
> (electro,house,jungle,trance etc...) scene to survive more people
> have to constantly step out on the edge and try to re-create themselves.
>
> TS-1   (Deep in the 313) Where music evolves from the soul of the city
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 1:27 PM
> To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT)
> Cc: 'Robert Taylor'; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
>
>
> you want a concept? buy a friggen Nation of Ulysses record. Now they had
> f**kin concepts.
>
> Mills is a lightweight.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 8 Apr 2004, Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) wrote:
>
> > Right, right, I see...it's "diss Mills time" again!!
> > At the end of the day, take it or leave it. If that's how HE chooses to
do
> > things, and you don't get it, then don't worry about it!!
> > Take from it what you want.
> > At the end of the day, the concepts don't sell the records to me, at all
-
> > but I certainly wouldn't attempt to belittle the ideas by imposing my
> > opinion on others.
> >
> > Better than conceptualising about drug monkeys in a nightclub anyway -
> > because that is just not challenging, in the slightest.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 08 April 2004 1:12
> > To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
> > Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
> >
> >
> > A concept that is somewhat lacking if it takes a load of highfaluting
> > nonsense to explain it.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:07 AM
> > To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
> > Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
> >
> >
> > That he's composed a piece of music based specifically around an idea, a
> > concept.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 08 April 2004 1:06
> > To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
> > Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
> >
> >
> > My arse exists on more levels than the purely conceptual, Ryan.
> >
> > What do you mean by conceptual?
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-----
> > From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:05 AM
> > To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
> > Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
> >
> >
> > No, it's obviously conceptual.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 08 April 2004 1:04
> > To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
> > Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
> >
> >
> > My arse
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:03 AM
> > To: Robert Taylor; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
> > Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
> >
> >
> > To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: (313) new Mills

[Thomas D. Cox, Jr.]

-- Original Message --
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

>hahahahahahahah!
>
>have you ever read an NoU booklet?

dont lie to us, man. do you hang out with spw? 

tom 


andythepooh.com


 
   

Re: (313) new Mills

[yussel]

jeff mills is american- so there =P

On Thu, 8 Apr 2004, john harvey wrote:

> it's colour - color is the american spelling
>
>
> > its' spelled 'color', not 'colour'
> >
> >
> > -wankers  ;)
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 8 Apr 2004, john harvey wrote:
> >
> > > we all know that white is not a colour but your remark is pedantic as it
> > > doesn't relate to or change the argument in any way.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > once again, white is not a colour...white is no colour, black is all.
> thats
> > > the point i think of blue room vs white room
> > >
> > > well, your statement seemed to be backing the argument that the colour
> white
> > > was used for a special reason - but i was saying that based on your
> argument
> > > this couldn't be true, as you seem to now agree; the uniformity of white
> is
> > > no different from the uniformity of any other colour.
> > >
> > >
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> intended
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>

RE: (313) new Mills

[yussel]

hahahahahahahah!

have you ever read an NoU booklet?



On Thu, 8 Apr 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>
>
>
>
> >you want a concept? buy a friggen Nation of Ulysses record. Now they had
> >f**kin concepts.
>
> yes, go buy a Nation of Ulysses record because their concepts are the best
> concepts in this whole world
> that way once you've bought a Nation of Ulysses record you will never have
> to buy another record by anyone trying to pull ideas together into a
> complete package
> their concepts are more valid than Jeff Mills' concepts so Jeff, if you're
> reading any of this - stop right now because Nation of Ulysses is better
> than you and, even though you are addressing totally different issues and
> with different styles of music, you can't beat them no matter how hard you
> try
>
> same goes for those Underground Resistance guys, that Richie Hawtin
> character, and Kraftwerk - what a bunch of lightweights
>
> MEK
>
>
>

RE: (313) new Mills

[yussel]

easy sparky.

i said when it comes to concepts- mills is a lightweight. read a NoU CD
booklet and see what i'm saying.

On Thu, 8 Apr 2004, Steward, Tim wrote:

> There is no way you can say mills is a lightweight,
> Music production is an art, and art is a form of expression
> if you choose not to buy it that's your choice, but call
> him a lightweight when he is a true artist..It appears to me
> that he is able to continually re-create himself and capture
> his audience. If you take a look around the industry there are
> many people that copy the things he does, for example
> without naming names - who just recently copied his See The Light
> idea...and who will copy the dvd concept next..
> The art of DJing is not easy we all know, but the art of music
> production is not easy either (believe me) In order for the techno
> (electro,house,jungle,trance etc...) scene to survive more people
> have to constantly step out on the edge and try to re-create themselves.
>
> TS-1   (Deep in the 313) Where music evolves from the soul of the city
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 1:27 PM
> To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT)
> Cc: 'Robert Taylor'; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
>
>
> you want a concept? buy a friggen Nation of Ulysses record. Now they had
> f**kin concepts.
>
> Mills is a lightweight.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 8 Apr 2004, Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) wrote:
>
> > Right, right, I see...it's "diss Mills time" again!!
> > At the end of the day, take it or leave it. If that's how HE chooses to do
> > things, and you don't get it, then don't worry about it!!
> > Take from it what you want.
> > At the end of the day, the concepts don't sell the records to me, at all -
> > but I certainly wouldn't attempt to belittle the ideas by imposing my
> > opinion on others.
> >
> > Better than conceptualising about drug monkeys in a nightclub anyway -
> > because that is just not challenging, in the slightest.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 08 April 2004 1:12
> > To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
> > Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
> >
> >
> > A concept that is somewhat lacking if it takes a load of highfaluting
> > nonsense to explain it.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:07 AM
> > To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
> > Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
> >
> >
> > That he's composed a piece of music based specifically around an idea, a
> > concept.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 08 April 2004 1:06
> > To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
> > Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
> >
> >
> > My arse exists on more levels than the purely conceptual, Ryan.
> >
> > What do you mean by conceptual?
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-----
> > From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:05 AM
> > To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
> > Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
> >
> >
> > No, it's obviously conceptual.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 08 April 2004 1:04
> > To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
> > Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
> >
> >
> > My arse
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:03 AM
> > To: Robert Taylor; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
> > Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
> >
> >
> > To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 08 April 2004 1:02
> > To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
> > Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
> >
> >
> > But it's just a record
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:58 AM
> > To: 313@hyperreal.org
> > Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
> >
> >
> > Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-)

Re: (313) new Mills

[john harvey]

it's colour - color is the american spelling


> its' spelled 'color', not 'colour'
>
>
> -wankers  ;)
>
>
>
> On Thu, 8 Apr 2004, john harvey wrote:
>
> > we all know that white is not a colour but your remark is pedantic as it
> > doesn't relate to or change the argument in any way.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > once again, white is not a colour...white is no colour, black is all.
thats
> > the point i think of blue room vs white room
> >
> > well, your statement seemed to be backing the argument that the colour
white
> > was used for a special reason - but i was saying that based on your
argument
> > this couldn't be true, as you seem to now agree; the uniformity of white
is
> > no different from the uniformity of any other colour.
> >
> >
> > The information contained in this e-mail communication is solely
intended
> > for the person/legal person to whom it  has been sent, and as it may
contain
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> > intended recipient should receive or come into possession of this e-mail
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disclose or
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to
> > inform the sender of this e-mail message of this immediately, and to
destroy
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> > subsidiaries accept any liability for incorrect and incomplete
transmission
> > or delayed receipt of this e-mail.
> >
> >
> >
>

RE: (313) new Mills

[Steward, Tim]

Let us see you step up to the plate, what's the title of your
latest cut - let me go pick it up and see who the lightweight is...


313   - TS-1

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 1:45 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills






>you want a concept? buy a friggen Nation of Ulysses record. Now they had
>f**kin concepts.

yes, go buy a Nation of Ulysses record because their concepts are the best
concepts in this whole world
that way once you've bought a Nation of Ulysses record you will never have
to buy another record by anyone trying to pull ideas together into a
complete package
their concepts are more valid than Jeff Mills' concepts so Jeff, if you're
reading any of this - stop right now because Nation of Ulysses is better
than you and, even though you are addressing totally different issues and
with different styles of music, you can't beat them no matter how hard you
try

same goes for those Underground Resistance guys, that Richie Hawtin
character, and Kraftwerk - what a bunch of lightweights

MEK




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RE: (313) new Mills

[yussel]

i don't blame him for trying- its just that he so BAD at it.

worst pontificator ever

On Thu, 8 Apr 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>
>
>
>
> If, say, Phillip Glass, Sun Ra, Holger Czukay, or Brian Eno were to say the
> same thing as Mills is we'd all be going "hmmm, yes, very interesting
> concept"
> but we're not because Jeff Mills is *supposed* to make dance music and "it
> just ain't right" for him to conceptualize or attempt to put some thought
> (even if it's half baked) into his art. That's what it is - his art. And
> yes, it's mass produced for consumers but so are Rembrant's, Warhol's, and
> Rothko's.
> He's crossing pop culture with ideas of high art - he's not the first to do
> this so I'm not sure why everyone gets so upset when he presents a concept.
>
> At least he's not saying "dude I put it on marble green vinyl because it
> looks so f*cking rad man!"
>
> He's also not gluing sandpaper to the vinyl so you can still play it - he's
> trying to put some thought and effort into it while still presenting a
> usable product- you can't blame a man for trying something.
>
> MEK
>
>
>
>   "Robert Taylor"
>   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]To:   "Blackman, Ryan 
> (UKEKT)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>   4.co.uk>  "Andrew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
> <313@hyperreal.org>
>cc:
>   04/08/04 07:12 AMSubject:  RE: (313) new Mills
>
>
>
>
>
>
> A concept that is somewhat lacking if it takes a load of highfaluting
> nonsense to explain it.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:07 AM
> To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
>
>
> That he's composed a piece of music based specifically around an idea, a
> concept.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 08 April 2004 1:06
> To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
>
>
> My arse exists on more levels than the purely conceptual, Ryan.
>
> What do you mean by conceptual?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:05 AM
> To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
>
>
> No, it's obviously conceptual.
>
> -----Original Message-
> From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 08 April 2004 1:04
> To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
>
>
> My arse
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:03 AM
> To: Robert Taylor; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
>
>
> To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 08 April 2004 1:02
> To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
>
>
> But it's just a record
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:58 AM
> To: 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
>
>
> Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-)
>
> "Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design
> to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time"
>
> This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where
> you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being
> received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment
> other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited
> sense
> these things cease to exist.
>
> Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario, actually a very
> interesting situation which highlights certain things about how we perceive
> and know anything at all.
>
> So there!
>
> Peace,
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> #
> Note:
>
> Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily
> represent
> those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless spec

RE: (313) new Mills

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

>you want a concept? buy a friggen Nation of Ulysses record. Now they had
>f**kin concepts.

yes, go buy a Nation of Ulysses record because their concepts are the best
concepts in this whole world
that way once you've bought a Nation of Ulysses record you will never have
to buy another record by anyone trying to pull ideas together into a
complete package
their concepts are more valid than Jeff Mills' concepts so Jeff, if you're
reading any of this - stop right now because Nation of Ulysses is better
than you and, even though you are addressing totally different issues and
with different styles of music, you can't beat them no matter how hard you
try

same goes for those Underground Resistance guys, that Richie Hawtin
character, and Kraftwerk - what a bunch of lightweights

MEK

Re: (313) new Mills

[yussel]

its' spelled 'color', not 'colour'


-wankers  ;)



On Thu, 8 Apr 2004, john harvey wrote:

> we all know that white is not a colour but your remark is pedantic as it
> doesn't relate to or change the argument in any way.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> once again, white is not a colour...white is no colour, black is all. thats
> the point i think of blue room vs white room
>
> well, your statement seemed to be backing the argument that the colour white
> was used for a special reason - but i was saying that based on your argument
> this couldn't be true, as you seem to now agree; the uniformity of white is
> no different from the uniformity of any other colour.
>
>
> The information contained in this e-mail communication is solely intended
> for the person/legal person to whom it  has been sent, and as it may contain
> information of a personal or confidential nature, it may not be made public
> by virtue of law, regulations or agreement. If someone other than the
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> communication, he/she will not be entitled to read, disseminate, disclose or
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> subsidiaries accept any liability for incorrect and incomplete transmission
> or delayed receipt of this e-mail.
>
>
>

RE: (313) new Mills

[yussel]

how can yu love someone as a person if you don't know them?

On Thu, 8 Apr 2004, Peteri, Jochem wrote:

> It´s amazing how much emotion theo and Mills stir with their fans, its 
> powerfull music, so much is sure. Good to see people debate it so furiously. 
> I guess its why i love Mills as a person as well as a musician although i 
> cant really do anything with his theories it at least gets us to think about 
> em.
>
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> the person/legal person to whom it  has been sent, and as it may contain 
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> by virtue of law, regulations or agreement. If someone other than the 
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RE: (313) new Mills

[Steward, Tim]

There is no way you can say mills is a lightweight,
Music production is an art, and art is a form of expression
if you choose not to buy it that's your choice, but call
him a lightweight when he is a true artist..It appears to me
that he is able to continually re-create himself and capture
his audience. If you take a look around the industry there are
many people that copy the things he does, for example
without naming names - who just recently copied his See The Light
idea...and who will copy the dvd concept next.. 
The art of DJing is not easy we all know, but the art of music
production is not easy either (believe me) In order for the techno
(electro,house,jungle,trance etc...) scene to survive more people
have to constantly step out on the edge and try to re-create themselves.

TS-1   (Deep in the 313) Where music evolves from the soul of the city

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 1:27 PM
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT)
Cc: 'Robert Taylor'; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


you want a concept? buy a friggen Nation of Ulysses record. Now they had
f**kin concepts.

Mills is a lightweight.







On Thu, 8 Apr 2004, Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) wrote:

> Right, right, I see...it's "diss Mills time" again!!
> At the end of the day, take it or leave it. If that's how HE chooses to do
> things, and you don't get it, then don't worry about it!!
> Take from it what you want.
> At the end of the day, the concepts don't sell the records to me, at all -
> but I certainly wouldn't attempt to belittle the ideas by imposing my
> opinion on others.
>
> Better than conceptualising about drug monkeys in a nightclub anyway -
> because that is just not challenging, in the slightest.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 08 April 2004 1:12
> To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
>
>
> A concept that is somewhat lacking if it takes a load of highfaluting
> nonsense to explain it.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:07 AM
> To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
>
>
> That he's composed a piece of music based specifically around an idea, a
> concept.
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 08 April 2004 1:06
> To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
>
>
> My arse exists on more levels than the purely conceptual, Ryan.
>
> What do you mean by conceptual?
>
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:05 AM
> To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
>
>
> No, it's obviously conceptual.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 08 April 2004 1:04
> To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
>
>
> My arse
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:03 AM
> To: Robert Taylor; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
>
>
> To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 08 April 2004 1:02
> To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
>
>
> But it's just a record
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:58 AM
> To: 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
>
>
> Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-)
>
> "Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the
design
> to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time"
>
> This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation
where
> you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being
> received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment
> other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited
sense
> these things cease to exist.
>
> Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario, actually a very
> interesting situation which highlights certain things about how we
perceive
> and know anything at all.
>
> So there!
>
> Peace,
>
> And

RE: (313) new Mills

[yussel]

i can honestly say that i wil not buy it

On Thu, 8 Apr 2004, placid wrote:

> Bottom line is.  We will all buy it...
>
> Conceptual, non conceptual...  who cares..if it sounds good..i'll take
> it...
> As long as the white vinyl doesn't make it sound like it was recorded
> inside a huge empty can of baked beans I'm happy...
>
> p
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Peteri, Jochem [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 08 April 2004 12:13
> To: quest pond
> Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
>
> and a 909 is creme
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RE: (313) new Mills

[yussel]

you want a concept? buy a friggen Nation of Ulysses record. Now they had
f**kin concepts.

Mills is a lightweight.







On Thu, 8 Apr 2004, Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) wrote:

> Right, right, I see...it's "diss Mills time" again!!
> At the end of the day, take it or leave it. If that's how HE chooses to do
> things, and you don't get it, then don't worry about it!!
> Take from it what you want.
> At the end of the day, the concepts don't sell the records to me, at all -
> but I certainly wouldn't attempt to belittle the ideas by imposing my
> opinion on others.
>
> Better than conceptualising about drug monkeys in a nightclub anyway -
> because that is just not challenging, in the slightest.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 08 April 2004 1:12
> To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
>
>
> A concept that is somewhat lacking if it takes a load of highfaluting
> nonsense to explain it.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:07 AM
> To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
>
>
> That he's composed a piece of music based specifically around an idea, a
> concept.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 08 April 2004 1:06
> To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
>
>
> My arse exists on more levels than the purely conceptual, Ryan.
>
> What do you mean by conceptual?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:05 AM
> To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
>
>
> No, it's obviously conceptual.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 08 April 2004 1:04
> To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
>
>
> My arse
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:03 AM
> To: Robert Taylor; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
>
>
> To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 08 April 2004 1:02
> To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
>
>
> But it's just a record
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:58 AM
> To: 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
>
>
> Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-)
>
> "Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design
> to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time"
>
> This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where
> you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being
> received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment
> other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense
> these things cease to exist.
>
> Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario, actually a very
> interesting situation which highlights certain things about how we perceive
> and know anything at all.
>
> So there!
>
> Peace,
>
> Andrew
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>
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RE: (313) new Mills

[Peteri, Jochem]

I knew it, im a painter!

-Original Message-
From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: donderdag 8 april 2004 17:36
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


-- Original Message --
From: "Peteri, Jochem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>once again, white is not a colour...white is no colour, black is 
all. thats the point i think of blue room vs white room

im sure this has already been covered but i want to make sure 
everyone knows im clever:

white is no color and black is all color if youre talking about 
paint. if youre talking about light, white light is what is broken 
down into all the colors of the spectrum when it is 
reflected/refracted/etc, black is the absence of color. 

booya

tom 


andythepooh.com


 
   

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RE: (313) new Mills

[Thomas D. Cox, Jr.]

-- Original Message --
From: "Peteri, Jochem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>once again, white is not a colour...white is no colour, black is 
all. thats the point i think of blue room vs white room

im sure this has already been covered but i want to make sure 
everyone knows im clever:

white is no color and black is all color if youre talking about 
paint. if youre talking about light, white light is what is broken 
down into all the colors of the spectrum when it is 
reflected/refracted/etc, black is the absence of color. 

booya

tom 


andythepooh.com


 
   

RE: (313) new Mills

[Robert Taylor]

It's getting very noisy in here :)

-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 3:16 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


so were gonna paint the kitchen no colour? ehm, all colours? ehm, im confused
and what about the attic

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Subject: Re: (313) new Mills






No no Sean - we're talking about what color we're going to paint the
kitchen.

MEK


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RE: (313) new Mills

[Peteri, Jochem]

so were gonna paint the kitchen no colour? ehm, all colours? ehm, im confused
and what about the attic

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No no Sean - we're talking about what color we're going to paint the
kitchen.

MEK


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Re: (313) new Mills

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

No no Sean - we're talking about what color we're going to paint the
kitchen.

MEK



   
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wow! look at that! I rejoin the 313 list yesterday after taking months off
and I find it exactly just as I'd left it. Same topic and everthing! gosh,
thanks guys!! you didnt have to hold the conversation in an unending loop
for little old me! It's almost as if time has stood still.

:^)

sean deason

Re: (313) new Mills

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

What the f*ck is this? An episode of Changing Rooms?!


MEK




  "john harvey" 

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                    Subject:  Re: (313) new Mills   

  04/08/04 09:14 AM 









we all know that white is not a colour but your remark is pedantic as it
doesn't relate to or change the argument in any way.







once again, white is not a colour...white is no colour, black is all. thats
the point i think of blue room vs white room

well, your statement seemed to be backing the argument that the colour
white
was used for a special reason - but i was saying that based on your
argument
this couldn't be true, as you seem to now agree; the uniformity of white is
no different from the uniformity of any other colour.


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RE: (313) new Mills

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

>once again, white is not a colour...white is no colour, black is all

except white - there is no white in black

and there is no "I" in "team"

oh no - here come the nice men again to take me back to my white room

MEK

RE: (313) new Mills

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

If, say, Phillip Glass, Sun Ra, Holger Czukay, or Brian Eno were to say the
same thing as Mills is we'd all be going "hmmm, yes, very interesting
concept"
but we're not because Jeff Mills is *supposed* to make dance music and "it
just ain't right" for him to conceptualize or attempt to put some thought
(even if it's half baked) into his art. That's what it is - his art. And
yes, it's mass produced for consumers but so are Rembrant's, Warhol's, and
Rothko's.
He's crossing pop culture with ideas of high art - he's not the first to do
this so I'm not sure why everyone gets so upset when he presents a concept.

At least he's not saying "dude I put it on marble green vinyl because it
looks so f*cking rad man!"

He's also not gluing sandpaper to the vinyl so you can still play it - he's
trying to put some thought and effort into it while still presenting a
usable product- you can't blame a man for trying something.

MEK



   
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A concept that is somewhat lacking if it takes a load of highfaluting
nonsense to explain it.

-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:07 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


That he's composed a piece of music based specifically around an idea, a
concept.

-----Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:06
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


My arse exists on more levels than the purely conceptual, Ryan.

What do you mean by conceptual?


-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:05 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


No, it's obviously conceptual.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:04
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


My arse

-----Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:03 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:02
To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


But it's just a record

-Original Message-
From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:58 AM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-)

"Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design
to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time"

This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where
you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being
received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment
other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited
sense
these things cease to exist.

Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario, actually a very
interesting situation which highlights certain things about how we perceive
and know anything at all.

So there!

Peace,

Andrew






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(313) New Juan (was Re: (313) new Mills)

[robin]

i thought the remix was good (in a different way to the original), 
cleaner if that makes sense.


can't wait for Juan's other stuff to land based on this.

robin...


Peteri, Jochem wrote:

anyone check the new juan atkins on New religion? its totally great...didnt 
like the rmx but the original is ace

RE: (313) new Mills

[Peteri, Jochem]

anyone check the new juan atkins on New religion? its totally great...didnt 
like the rmx but the original is ace


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RE: (313) new Mills

[iancheshire]

sorry I have to laugh out load here but we have gone from Mills and a film to 
God to Angels and now
colour is it or isn't it...ha ha and I thought my life was complicated :)
 
on a 313 related note I got my Red Planet T-shirt from submerge in 1 week which 
I thought was really quick, I also got my DJ Bone EP's..now that's 
something to rant about I think there very good and I can't wait for the Album.
 
Original Message- 
From: Peteri, Jochem [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thu 08/04/2004 15:04 
To: john harvey 
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org 
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills



once again, white is not a colour...white is no colour, black is all. 
thats the point i think of blue room vs white room

well, your statement seemed to be backing the argument that the colour 
white
was used for a special reason - but i was saying that based on your 
argument
this couldn't be true, as you seem to now agree; the uniformity of 
white is
no different from the uniformity of any other colour.


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RE: (313) new Mills

[Peteri, Jochem]

surprised? 

-Original Message-
From: sean deason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: donderdag 8 april 2004 16:14
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); 'Robert Taylor'; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) new Mills


wow! look at that! I rejoin the 313 list yesterday after taking months off
and I find it exactly just as I'd left it. Same topic and everthing! gosh,
thanks guys!! you didnt have to hold the conversation in an unending loop
for little old me! It's almost as if time has stood still.

:^)

sean deason



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Re: (313) new Mills

[sean deason]

wow! look at that! I rejoin the 313 list yesterday after taking months off
and I find it exactly just as I'd left it. Same topic and everthing! gosh,
thanks guys!! you didnt have to hold the conversation in an unending loop
for little old me! It's almost as if time has stood still.

:^)

sean deason

Re: (313) new Mills

[john harvey]

we all know that white is not a colour but your remark is pedantic as it
doesn't relate to or change the argument in any way.







once again, white is not a colour...white is no colour, black is all. thats
the point i think of blue room vs white room

well, your statement seemed to be backing the argument that the colour white
was used for a special reason - but i was saying that based on your argument
this couldn't be true, as you seem to now agree; the uniformity of white is
no different from the uniformity of any other colour.


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RE: (313) new Mills

[Peteri, Jochem]

Im a one colour at the time kinda guy, multitasking is not my biggest 
talentlike i showed before...

playground, 18.00? at the bikeshed... ; )

-Original Message-
From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: donderdag 8 april 2004 17:17
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) new Mills


8/4/04 2:04 PM Peteri, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> once again, white is not a colour...white is no colour, black is all. thats

Wrong way round fella...see me after class


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Re: (313) new Mills

[Martin Dust]

8/4/04 2:04 PM Peteri, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> once again, white is not a colour...white is no colour, black is all. thats

Wrong way round fella...see me after class

RE: (313) new Mills

[Peteri, Jochem]

once again, white is not a colour...white is no colour, black is all. thats the 
point i think of blue room vs white room

well, your statement seemed to be backing the argument that the colour white
was used for a special reason - but i was saying that based on your argument
this couldn't be true, as you seem to now agree; the uniformity of white is
no different from the uniformity of any other colour.


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Re: (313) new Mills

[john harvey]

> "you would also have no sense of change, and no other information if the
> room was completely black or blue or green or yellow or red or orange."
>
> Absolutely, it's the uniformity that is key. Where did I state otherwise?

well, your statement seemed to be backing the argument that the colour white
was used for a special reason - but i was saying that based on your argument
this couldn't be true, as you seem to now agree; the uniformity of white is
no different from the uniformity of any other colour.

>
> "this is not philosophy."
>
> Please, let me know what is! Knowing philosophy yourself, you'll know that
> simple examples and thought experiments then lead onto the kind of inquiry
> that perhaps you mean by 'philosophy'. I'm guessing - or were you just
> having a dig?

sorry, i was just having a dig - philosophy is too big a subject for this
list!
:]

RE: (313) new Mills

[Peteri, Jochem]

-Original Message-
From: Ken Odeluga [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
154 of course

sorry, had to, can´t stop

as justification of the mail, did anyone check the new Ghostface album? dunno 
what to make of it yet, but it might just be briliant...

Sent: donderdag 8 april 2004 15:43
To: robin; john harvey
Cc: 313
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


You're both wrong, it's 313 of course! Boom boom.

k

>-Original Message-
>From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 2:41 PM
>To: john harvey
>Cc: 313
>Subject: Re: (313) new Mills
>
>
>what are you talking about man!
>
>i say 6
>
>robin...
>
>john harvey wrote:
>>>We are now verging on the 313 equivalent of debating the number of angels
>>>it's possible to fit on the tip of a pinhead!
>>
>>
>> 4!
>>
>>
>
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RE: (313) new Mills

[Ken Odeluga]

You're both wrong, it's 313 of course! Boom boom.

k

>-Original Message-
>From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 2:41 PM
>To: john harvey
>Cc: 313
>Subject: Re: (313) new Mills
>
>
>what are you talking about man!
>
>i say 6
>
>robin...
>
>john harvey wrote:
>>>We are now verging on the 313 equivalent of debating the number of angels
>>>it's possible to fit on the tip of a pinhead!
>>
>>
>> 4!
>>
>>
>
>

Re: (313) new Mills

[robin]

what are you talking about man!

i say 6

robin...

john harvey wrote:

We are now verging on the 313 equivalent of debating the number of angels
it's possible to fit on the tip of a pinhead!



4!

Re: (313) new Mills

[john harvey]

> We are now verging on the 313 equivalent of debating the number of angels
> it's possible to fit on the tip of a pinhead!

4!

RE: (313) new Mills

[Peteri, Jochem]

This one has, but the whole intention beside the point he makes i think of 
Mills is to make us think about music in a different way, which is a good 
thing. The point may be somewhat pretentiously put, but without discussion its 
surely not gonna get any better...

-Original Message-
From: Ken Odeluga [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: donderdag 8 april 2004 15:21
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


Can I suggest that this 'dicussion' has now outlived it's usefulness? :-)

We are now verging on the 313 equivalent of debating the number of angels
it's possible to fit on the tip of a pinhead!

Let's all step back and ask ourselves whether we are acting with enough
perspective. I.e. in the bigger scheme of things, are these matters really
that important? I mean, discuss it yeah, beat an already dead horse and then
when you're done with that, beat up each other verbally, is not the best
idea: just a suggestion!

Just to offer a positive alternative: has anyone got a tracklisting of the
new Transmat cd due for release in Japan? Sorry if I missed it. Also, anyone
heard it? Legally of course, if you downloaded it already from some 'cool'
site, best keep it to yourself imho!

Peace,

k

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RE: (313) new Mills

[Ken Odeluga]

Can I suggest that this 'dicussion' has now outlived it's usefulness? :-)

We are now verging on the 313 equivalent of debating the number of angels
it's possible to fit on the tip of a pinhead!

Let's all step back and ask ourselves whether we are acting with enough
perspective. I.e. in the bigger scheme of things, are these matters really
that important? I mean, discuss it yeah, beat an already dead horse and then
when you're done with that, beat up each other verbally, is not the best
idea: just a suggestion!

Just to offer a positive alternative: has anyone got a tracklisting of the
new Transmat cd due for release in Japan? Sorry if I missed it. Also, anyone
heard it? Legally of course, if you downloaded it already from some 'cool'
site, best keep it to yourself imho!

Peace,

k

RE: (313) new Mills

[Peteri, Jochem]

It´s amazing how much emotion theo and Mills stir with their fans, its 
powerfull music, so much is sure. Good to see people debate it so furiously. I 
guess its why i love Mills as a person as well as a musician although i cant 
really do anything with his theories it at least gets us to think about em.

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RE: (313) new Mills

[Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT)]

Nah.

-Original Message-
From: john harvey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 2:11 
To: 313
Subject: Re: (313) new Mills


you were the one imposing - you're telling me not to comment



- Original Message - 
From: "Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'john harvey'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "313" <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 2:08 PM
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


> State your opinion, don't impose it  - that's my message. And it wasn't
even
> directed at you.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: john harvey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 08 April 2004 1:58
> To: 313
> Subject: Re: (313) new Mills
>
>
>
> > Right, right, I see...it's "diss Mills time" again!!
> > At the end of the day, take it or leave it. If that's how HE chooses to
do
> > things, and you don't get it, then don't worry about it!!
> > Take from it what you want.
> > At the end of the day, the concepts don't sell the records to me, at
all -
> > but I certainly wouldn't attempt to belittle the ideas by imposing my
> > opinion on others.
> >
> > Better than conceptualising about drug monkeys in a nightclub anyway -
> > because that is just not challenging, in the slightest.
>
> don't tell me not to comment, and don't tell me i don't get it, i do, its
> bullsh*t.
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: (313) new Mills

[john harvey]

you were the one imposing - you're telling me not to comment



- Original Message - 
From: "Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'john harvey'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "313" <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 2:08 PM
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


> State your opinion, don't impose it  - that's my message. And it wasn't
even
> directed at you.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: john harvey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 08 April 2004 1:58
> To: 313
> Subject: Re: (313) new Mills
>
>
>
> > Right, right, I see...it's "diss Mills time" again!!
> > At the end of the day, take it or leave it. If that's how HE chooses to
do
> > things, and you don't get it, then don't worry about it!!
> > Take from it what you want.
> > At the end of the day, the concepts don't sell the records to me, at
all -
> > but I certainly wouldn't attempt to belittle the ideas by imposing my
> > opinion on others.
> >
> > Better than conceptualising about drug monkeys in a nightclub anyway -
> > because that is just not challenging, in the slightest.
>
> don't tell me not to comment, and don't tell me i don't get it, i do, its
> bullsh*t.
>
>
>
>
>

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RE: (313) new Mills

[Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT)]

State your opinion, don't impose it  - that's my message. And it wasn't even
directed at you.

-Original Message-
From: john harvey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:58 
To: 313
Subject: Re: (313) new Mills



> Right, right, I see...it's "diss Mills time" again!!
> At the end of the day, take it or leave it. If that's how HE chooses to do
> things, and you don't get it, then don't worry about it!!
> Take from it what you want.
> At the end of the day, the concepts don't sell the records to me, at all -
> but I certainly wouldn't attempt to belittle the ideas by imposing my
> opinion on others.
>
> Better than conceptualising about drug monkeys in a nightclub anyway -
> because that is just not challenging, in the slightest.

don't tell me not to comment, and don't tell me i don't get it, i do, its
bullsh*t.




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RE: (313) new Mills

[Peteri, Jochem]

Strangely enough, in a blue room i would think "hey, blue", then again a white 
or black room would prob make me think about the lighting. I´d think "get me 
outta here!" anyway...

-Original Message-
From: john harvey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: donderdag 8 april 2004 15:04
To: 313
Subject: Re: (313) new Mills



you would, the colour. A white room has no colour so even that is
stripped(smartly hinting back at my earlier mail...)

no you wouldn't have any SENSE OF CHANGE and NO OTHER INFORMATION would be
received by you.
is black more information than white?
do other colours change?











-Original Message-
From: john harvey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: donderdag 8 april 2004 14:53
To: 313
Subject: Re: (313) new Mills



  Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-)

  "Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the
design
  to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time"

  This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation
where
  you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being
  received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment
  other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited
sense
  these things cease to exist.

you would also have no sense of change, and no other information if the room
was completely black or blue or green or yellow or red or orange.

this is not philosophy.



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Re: (313) new Mills

[john harvey]

you would, the colour. A white room has no colour so even that is
stripped(smartly hinting back at my earlier mail...)

no you wouldn't have any SENSE OF CHANGE and NO OTHER INFORMATION would be
received by you.
is black more information than white?
do other colours change?











-Original Message-
From: john harvey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: donderdag 8 april 2004 14:53
To: 313
Subject: Re: (313) new Mills



  Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-)

  "Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the
design
  to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time"

  This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation
where
  you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being
  received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment
  other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited
sense
  these things cease to exist.

you would also have no sense of change, and no other information if the room
was completely black or blue or green or yellow or red or orange.

this is not philosophy.



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Re: (313) new Mills

[john harvey]

> Right, right, I see...it's "diss Mills time" again!!
> At the end of the day, take it or leave it. If that's how HE chooses to do
> things, and you don't get it, then don't worry about it!!
> Take from it what you want.
> At the end of the day, the concepts don't sell the records to me, at all -
> but I certainly wouldn't attempt to belittle the ideas by imposing my
> opinion on others.
>
> Better than conceptualising about drug monkeys in a nightclub anyway -
> because that is just not challenging, in the slightest.

don't tell me not to comment, and don't tell me i don't get it, i do, its
bullsh*t.

RE: (313) new Mills

[Peteri, Jochem]

you would, the colour. A white room has no colour so even that is 
stripped(smartly hinting back at my earlier mail...)

-Original Message-
From: john harvey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: donderdag 8 april 2004 14:53
To: 313
Subject: Re: (313) new Mills



  Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-)

  "Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the
design
  to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time"

  This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation
where
  you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being
  received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment
  other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited
sense
  these things cease to exist.

you would also have no sense of change, and no other information if the room
was completely black or blue or green or yellow or red or orange.

this is not philosophy.



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Re: (313) new Mills

[john harvey]

  Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-)

  "Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the
design
  to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time"

  This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation
where
  you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being
  received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment
  other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited
sense
  these things cease to exist.

you would also have no sense of change, and no other information if the room
was completely black or blue or green or yellow or red or orange.

this is not philosophy.

Re: (313) new Mills

[john harvey]

> everything he does seems to HAVE to have a concept or a reason, and, at
> times it comes across like he makes it all up after he's made the music to
> market it better. (to my un-cultured eyes anyway)

reading the last couple of mails i'd have to agree - does anyone fall for
this bullsh*t?

Re: (313) new Mills/let's pray

[jonathan morse]

dear diana,

thank you for  you recent prayer request.

unfortunately, I will be out of the office until sunday.


love, peace and chicken grease,
jc


On 08.04.2004 07:27 , "diana potts"  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> *lets pray*
> 
> dear lord, please shelter my inbox today as 313
> continues to discuss jeff mills. In times of chaos, it
> is my inbox Lord that needs protection and strength
> from the mighty, mighty power of the tongue and
> musically drenched geeked minded emails that are about
> to deluge it on this glorious day. Dear Lord, please
> be on standby in the extreme case that the praise and
> dismissal of R.Hawtin and Carl Craig slip from the
> fingers of those who cyber surround me at this time.
> 
> *AMEN*
> 
> goodmorning.from this side.
> d
> NP:Four Tet..and now ODB...Four Tet remix Radiohead
> 'if  you stop i'll put the killer ants in your pants'

RE: (313) new Mills

[Robert Taylor]

Humbly points out that it wasn't a personal conversation

-Original Message-
From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:42 AM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


I *humbly* refer Robert and Ryan to the discussion a month ago about
personal conversations being taken off list


-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 08 April 2004 13:35
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


Okay Ryan.
I still think you're a fanboy ;)

-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:33 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


I assumed that your reference to my admiration of him suggested that I would
blindly defend him, when I wouldn't.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:32 
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


Eh?
Not sure what you are driving at here

-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:29 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


No, I don't at all - if you read my last mail you'll see that I don't do the
concept thing myself, but I don't impose my opinions on others either. I
mean, you could be cynical about absolutely anything, couldn't you?? 
This could be about football, politics, washing powder, whatever. 

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:25 
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


Nothing wrong with 'dissing' him if you think he's an airbag. Don't feel the
need to defend and justify his every action just because you admire him as
an artist and a DJ, Ryan.

-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:17 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


Right, right, I see...it's "diss Mills time" again!!
At the end of the day, take it or leave it. If that's how HE chooses to do
things, and you don't get it, then don't worry about it!! Take from it what
you want. At the end of the day, the concepts don't sell the records to me,
at all - but I certainly wouldn't attempt to belittle the ideas by imposing
my opinion on others.

Better than conceptualising about drug monkeys in a nightclub anyway -
because that is just not challenging, in the slightest.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:12 
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


A concept that is somewhat lacking if it takes a load of highfaluting
nonsense to explain it.

-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:07 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


That he's composed a piece of music based specifically around an idea, a
concept.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:06 
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


My arse exists on more levels than the purely conceptual, Ryan.

What do you mean by conceptual?


-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:05 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


No, it's obviously conceptual.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:04 
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


My arse

-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:03 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual. 

-Original Message-----
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:02 
To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


But it's just a record

-Original Message-----
From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:58 AM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-)

"Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design
to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time"

This is actually jus

RE: (313) new Mills

[Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT)]

I am - I love Mills - but wouldn't blindly defend him!

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:35 
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


Okay Ryan.
I still think you're a fanboy ;)

-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:33 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


I assumed that your reference to my admiration of him suggested that I would
blindly defend him, when I wouldn't.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:32 
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


Eh?
Not sure what you are driving at here

-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:29 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


No, I don't at all - if you read my last mail you'll see that I don't do the
concept thing myself, but I don't impose my opinions on others either.
I mean, you could be cynical about absolutely anything, couldn't you?? 
This could be about football, politics, washing powder, whatever. 

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:25 
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


Nothing wrong with 'dissing' him if you think he's an airbag.
Don't feel the need to defend and justify his every action just because you
admire him as an artist and a DJ, Ryan.

-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:17 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


Right, right, I see...it's "diss Mills time" again!!
At the end of the day, take it or leave it. If that's how HE chooses to do
things, and you don't get it, then don't worry about it!!
Take from it what you want.
At the end of the day, the concepts don't sell the records to me, at all -
but I certainly wouldn't attempt to belittle the ideas by imposing my
opinion on others.

Better than conceptualising about drug monkeys in a nightclub anyway -
because that is just not challenging, in the slightest.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:12 
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


A concept that is somewhat lacking if it takes a load of highfaluting
nonsense to explain it.

-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:07 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


That he's composed a piece of music based specifically around an idea, a
concept.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:06 
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


My arse exists on more levels than the purely conceptual, Ryan.

What do you mean by conceptual?


-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:05 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


No, it's obviously conceptual.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:04 
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


My arse

-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:03 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual. 

-Original Message-----
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:02 
To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


But it's just a record

-Original Message-----
From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:58 AM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-)

"Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design
to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time"

This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where
you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being
received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment
other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited se

RE: (313) new Mills

[Andrew]

I *humbly* refer Robert and Ryan to the discussion a month ago about
personal conversations being taken off list


-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 08 April 2004 13:35
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


Okay Ryan.
I still think you're a fanboy ;)

-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:33 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


I assumed that your reference to my admiration of him suggested that I would
blindly defend him, when I wouldn't.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:32 
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


Eh?
Not sure what you are driving at here

-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:29 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


No, I don't at all - if you read my last mail you'll see that I don't do the
concept thing myself, but I don't impose my opinions on others either. I
mean, you could be cynical about absolutely anything, couldn't you?? 
This could be about football, politics, washing powder, whatever. 

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:25 
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


Nothing wrong with 'dissing' him if you think he's an airbag. Don't feel the
need to defend and justify his every action just because you admire him as
an artist and a DJ, Ryan.

-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:17 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


Right, right, I see...it's "diss Mills time" again!!
At the end of the day, take it or leave it. If that's how HE chooses to do
things, and you don't get it, then don't worry about it!! Take from it what
you want. At the end of the day, the concepts don't sell the records to me,
at all - but I certainly wouldn't attempt to belittle the ideas by imposing
my opinion on others.

Better than conceptualising about drug monkeys in a nightclub anyway -
because that is just not challenging, in the slightest.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:12 
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


A concept that is somewhat lacking if it takes a load of highfaluting
nonsense to explain it.

-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:07 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


That he's composed a piece of music based specifically around an idea, a
concept.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:06 
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


My arse exists on more levels than the purely conceptual, Ryan.

What do you mean by conceptual?


-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:05 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


No, it's obviously conceptual.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:04 
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


My arse

-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:03 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual. 

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:02 
To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


But it's just a record

-Original Message-----
From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:58 AM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-)

"Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design
to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time"

This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where
you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being
received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment
other than your in

RE: (313) new Mills

[Robert Taylor]

Okay Ryan.
I still think you're a fanboy ;)

-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:33 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


I assumed that your reference to my admiration of him suggested that I would
blindly defend him, when I wouldn't.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:32 
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


Eh?
Not sure what you are driving at here

-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:29 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


No, I don't at all - if you read my last mail you'll see that I don't do the
concept thing myself, but I don't impose my opinions on others either.
I mean, you could be cynical about absolutely anything, couldn't you?? 
This could be about football, politics, washing powder, whatever. 

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:25 
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


Nothing wrong with 'dissing' him if you think he's an airbag.
Don't feel the need to defend and justify his every action just because you
admire him as an artist and a DJ, Ryan.

-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:17 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


Right, right, I see...it's "diss Mills time" again!!
At the end of the day, take it or leave it. If that's how HE chooses to do
things, and you don't get it, then don't worry about it!!
Take from it what you want.
At the end of the day, the concepts don't sell the records to me, at all -
but I certainly wouldn't attempt to belittle the ideas by imposing my
opinion on others.

Better than conceptualising about drug monkeys in a nightclub anyway -
because that is just not challenging, in the slightest.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:12 
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


A concept that is somewhat lacking if it takes a load of highfaluting
nonsense to explain it.

-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:07 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


That he's composed a piece of music based specifically around an idea, a
concept.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:06 
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


My arse exists on more levels than the purely conceptual, Ryan.

What do you mean by conceptual?


-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:05 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


No, it's obviously conceptual.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:04 
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


My arse

-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:03 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual. 

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:02 
To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


But it's just a record

-Original Message-----
From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:58 AM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-)

"Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design
to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time"

This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where
you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being
received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment
other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense
these things cease to exist.

Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario, actually a very
interesting situation which highlights certain things about how we perceive
and know anything at all.

So there!

Peace,

Andrew

RE: (313) new Mills

[Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT)]

I assumed that your reference to my admiration of him suggested that I would
blindly defend him, when I wouldn't.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:32 
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


Eh?
Not sure what you are driving at here

-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:29 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


No, I don't at all - if you read my last mail you'll see that I don't do the
concept thing myself, but I don't impose my opinions on others either.
I mean, you could be cynical about absolutely anything, couldn't you?? 
This could be about football, politics, washing powder, whatever. 

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:25 
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


Nothing wrong with 'dissing' him if you think he's an airbag.
Don't feel the need to defend and justify his every action just because you
admire him as an artist and a DJ, Ryan.

-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:17 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


Right, right, I see...it's "diss Mills time" again!!
At the end of the day, take it or leave it. If that's how HE chooses to do
things, and you don't get it, then don't worry about it!!
Take from it what you want.
At the end of the day, the concepts don't sell the records to me, at all -
but I certainly wouldn't attempt to belittle the ideas by imposing my
opinion on others.

Better than conceptualising about drug monkeys in a nightclub anyway -
because that is just not challenging, in the slightest.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:12 
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


A concept that is somewhat lacking if it takes a load of highfaluting
nonsense to explain it.

-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:07 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


That he's composed a piece of music based specifically around an idea, a
concept.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:06 
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


My arse exists on more levels than the purely conceptual, Ryan.

What do you mean by conceptual?


-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:05 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


No, it's obviously conceptual.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:04 
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


My arse

-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:03 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual. 

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:02 
To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


But it's just a record

-Original Message-
From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:58 AM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-)

"Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design
to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time"

This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where
you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being
received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment
other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense
these things cease to exist.

Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario, actually a very
interesting situation which highlights certain things about how we perceive
and know anything at all.

So there!

Peace,

Andrew





#
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Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily
represent 
those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated.
This email 
and any f

RE: (313) new Mills

[Robert Taylor]

Eh?
Not sure what you are driving at here

-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:29 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


No, I don't at all - if you read my last mail you'll see that I don't do the
concept thing myself, but I don't impose my opinions on others either.
I mean, you could be cynical about absolutely anything, couldn't you?? 
This could be about football, politics, washing powder, whatever. 

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:25 
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


Nothing wrong with 'dissing' him if you think he's an airbag.
Don't feel the need to defend and justify his every action just because you
admire him as an artist and a DJ, Ryan.

-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:17 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


Right, right, I see...it's "diss Mills time" again!!
At the end of the day, take it or leave it. If that's how HE chooses to do
things, and you don't get it, then don't worry about it!!
Take from it what you want.
At the end of the day, the concepts don't sell the records to me, at all -
but I certainly wouldn't attempt to belittle the ideas by imposing my
opinion on others.

Better than conceptualising about drug monkeys in a nightclub anyway -
because that is just not challenging, in the slightest.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:12 
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


A concept that is somewhat lacking if it takes a load of highfaluting
nonsense to explain it.

-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:07 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


That he's composed a piece of music based specifically around an idea, a
concept.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:06 
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


My arse exists on more levels than the purely conceptual, Ryan.

What do you mean by conceptual?


-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:05 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


No, it's obviously conceptual.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:04 
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


My arse

-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:03 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual. 

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:02 
To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


But it's just a record

-Original Message-
From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:58 AM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-)

"Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design
to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time"

This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where
you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being
received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment
other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense
these things cease to exist.

Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario, actually a very
interesting situation which highlights certain things about how we perceive
and know anything at all.

So there!

Peace,

Andrew





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RE: (313) new Mills

[Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT)]

No, I don't at all - if you read my last mail you'll see that I don't do the
concept thing myself, but I don't impose my opinions on others either.
I mean, you could be cynical about absolutely anything, couldn't you?? 
This could be about football, politics, washing powder, whatever. 

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:25 
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


Nothing wrong with 'dissing' him if you think he's an airbag.
Don't feel the need to defend and justify his every action just because you
admire him as an artist and a DJ, Ryan.

-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:17 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


Right, right, I see...it's "diss Mills time" again!!
At the end of the day, take it or leave it. If that's how HE chooses to do
things, and you don't get it, then don't worry about it!!
Take from it what you want.
At the end of the day, the concepts don't sell the records to me, at all -
but I certainly wouldn't attempt to belittle the ideas by imposing my
opinion on others.

Better than conceptualising about drug monkeys in a nightclub anyway -
because that is just not challenging, in the slightest.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:12 
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


A concept that is somewhat lacking if it takes a load of highfaluting
nonsense to explain it.

-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:07 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


That he's composed a piece of music based specifically around an idea, a
concept.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:06 
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


My arse exists on more levels than the purely conceptual, Ryan.

What do you mean by conceptual?


-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:05 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


No, it's obviously conceptual.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:04 
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


My arse

-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:03 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual. 

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:02 
To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


But it's just a record

-Original Message-
From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:58 AM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-)

"Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design
to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time"

This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where
you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being
received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment
other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense
these things cease to exist.

Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario, actually a very
interesting situation which highlights certain things about how we perceive
and know anything at all.

So there!

Peace,

Andrew





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RE: (313) new Mills/let's pray

[diana potts]

*lets pray*

dear lord, please shelter my inbox today as 313
continues to discuss jeff mills. In times of chaos, it
is my inbox Lord that needs protection and strength
from the mighty, mighty power of the tongue and
musically drenched geeked minded emails that are about
to deluge it on this glorious day. Dear Lord, please
be on standby in the extreme case that the praise and
dismissal of R.Hawtin and Carl Craig slip from the
fingers of those who cyber surround me at this time.

*AMEN*

goodmorning.from this side.
d
NP:Four Tet..and now ODB...Four Tet remix Radiohead
'if  you stop i'll put the killer ants in your pants'

--- "Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT)"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Right, right, I see...it's "diss Mills time" again!!
> At the end of the day, take it or leave it. If
> that's how HE chooses to do
> things, and you don't get it, then don't worry about
> it!!
> Take from it what you want.
> At the end of the day, the concepts don't sell the
> records to me, at all -
> but I certainly wouldn't attempt to belittle the
> ideas by imposing my
> opinion on others.
> 
> Better than conceptualising about drug monkeys in a
> nightclub anyway -
> because that is just not challenging, in the
> slightest.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 08 April 2004 1:12 
> To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew;
> 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
> 
> 
> A concept that is somewhat lacking if it takes a
> load of highfaluting
> nonsense to explain it.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT)
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:07 AM
> To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew;
> 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
> 
> 
> That he's composed a piece of music based
> specifically around an idea, a
> concept.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 08 April 2004 1:06 
> To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew;
> 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
> 
> 
> My arse exists on more levels than the purely
> conceptual, Ryan.
> 
> What do you mean by conceptual?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT)
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:05 AM
> To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew;
> 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
> 
> 
> No, it's obviously conceptual.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 08 April 2004 1:04 
> To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew;
> 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
> 
> 
> My arse
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT)
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:03 AM
> To: Robert Taylor; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
> 
> 
> To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual. 
> 
> -----Original Message-
> From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 08 April 2004 1:02 
> To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
> 
> 
> But it's just a record
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:58 AM
> To: 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: (313) new Mills
> 
> 
> Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming
> into play ;-)
> 
> "Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the
> vinyl colour in the design
> to represent an unknown destination in space and/or
> time"
> 
> This is actually justified conceptually by thinking
> about a situation where
> you are in space which is completely white - no
> other information is being
> received by you. You therefore have no sense of
> change in your environment
> other than your inner sense of space and/or time,
> and so in an limited sense
> these things cease to exist.
> 
> Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario,
> actually a very
> interesting situation which highlights certain
> things about how we perceive
> and know anything at all.
> 
> So there!
> 
> Peace,
> 
> Andrew
> 
> 
> 
> 
>

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RE: (313) new Mills

[Andrew]

I didn't think my explanation was particularly high-falutin!

Perhaps his execution isn't as precise as might be, but I personally don't
mind when any artists tries to articulate their motivation in a concept. Do
we here this kind of slagging off about Sun Ra or John Coltrane?

For me there is an element of intellectual dumbing-down in the club end of
electronic music, and artists like Jeff or UR or Drexciya or Dopplereffekt
or  use concepts to deliver the
music on a different - not higher! - level. And I like it!

And I don't believe there's any such thing as 'just' a record, each one is,
or should be, special. They deserve all the love, care, thought and
attention as any other work of art.

Although I wouldn't want the music to turn into an aural equivalent of Tate
Modern, with little explanations on the sleeves to 'tell' you what you're
listening to, like a lot of avant-garde electronics. Even still, no amount
of explanation can make a whack track a fat track.

And Jeff continually makes fat tracks. Nuff said.

Peace,

Andrew


-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 08 April 2004 12:17
To: 'Robert Taylor'; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


Right, right, I see...it's "diss Mills time" again!!
At the end of the day, take it or leave it. If that's how HE chooses to do
things, and you don't get it, then don't worry about it!! Take from it what
you want. At the end of the day, the concepts don't sell the records to me,
at all - but I certainly wouldn't attempt to belittle the ideas by imposing
my opinion on others.

Better than conceptualising about drug monkeys in a nightclub anyway -
because that is just not challenging, in the slightest.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:12 
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


A concept that is somewhat lacking if it takes a load of highfaluting
nonsense to explain it.

-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:07 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


That he's composed a piece of music based specifically around an idea, a
concept.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:06 
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


My arse exists on more levels than the purely conceptual, Ryan.

What do you mean by conceptual?


-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:05 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


No, it's obviously conceptual.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:04 
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


My arse

-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:03 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual. 

-Original Message-----
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:02 
To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


But it's just a record

-Original Message-----
From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:58 AM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-)

"Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design
to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time"

This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where
you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being
received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment
other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense
these things cease to exist.

Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario, actually a very
interesting situation which highlights certain things about how we perceive
and know anything at all.

So there!

Peace,

Andrew





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RE: (313) new Mills

[Robert Taylor]

Nothing wrong with 'dissing' him if you think he's an airbag.
Don't feel the need to defend and justify his every action just because you 
admire him as an artist and a DJ, Ryan.

-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:17 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


Right, right, I see...it's "diss Mills time" again!!
At the end of the day, take it or leave it. If that's how HE chooses to do
things, and you don't get it, then don't worry about it!!
Take from it what you want.
At the end of the day, the concepts don't sell the records to me, at all -
but I certainly wouldn't attempt to belittle the ideas by imposing my
opinion on others.

Better than conceptualising about drug monkeys in a nightclub anyway -
because that is just not challenging, in the slightest.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:12 
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


A concept that is somewhat lacking if it takes a load of highfaluting
nonsense to explain it.

-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:07 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


That he's composed a piece of music based specifically around an idea, a
concept.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:06 
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


My arse exists on more levels than the purely conceptual, Ryan.

What do you mean by conceptual?


-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:05 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


No, it's obviously conceptual.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:04 
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


My arse

-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:03 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual. 

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:02 
To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


But it's just a record

-Original Message-
From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:58 AM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-)

"Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design
to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time"

This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where
you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being
received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment
other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense
these things cease to exist.

Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario, actually a very
interesting situation which highlights certain things about how we perceive
and know anything at all.

So there!

Peace,

Andrew





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RE: (313) new Mills

[quest pond]

Well if we're going back to the old ways i'm hoping next we might see H&M
hood and mills return one day.

Personally this is some of my favourite stuff from him.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 2:30 AM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: (313) new Mills


just read the following on "littledetroit.net"

there's a new Mills coming, and it's some follow-up to Growth!
now there's a fierce record. I still remember where I was when I first
heard that on a big system.

what a track. conjured up visions of things in my head and all sorts.

he's still talking a load of twaddle though - check the link.

http://www.dancefrontdoor.co.uk/article2836.html

alex
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RE: (313) new Mills

[placid]

Bottom line is.  We will all buy it...

Conceptual, non conceptual...  who cares..if it sounds good..i'll take
it...
As long as the white vinyl doesn't make it sound like it was recorded
inside a huge empty can of baked beans I'm happy...

p

-Original Message-
From: Peteri, Jochem [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 08 April 2004 12:13
To: quest pond
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills

and a 909 is creme

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RE: (313) new Mills

[Peteri, Jochem]

It´s good to be critical, even about "the wizard"

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RE: (313) new Mills

[Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT)]

Right, right, I see...it's "diss Mills time" again!!
At the end of the day, take it or leave it. If that's how HE chooses to do
things, and you don't get it, then don't worry about it!!
Take from it what you want.
At the end of the day, the concepts don't sell the records to me, at all -
but I certainly wouldn't attempt to belittle the ideas by imposing my
opinion on others.

Better than conceptualising about drug monkeys in a nightclub anyway -
because that is just not challenging, in the slightest.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:12 
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


A concept that is somewhat lacking if it takes a load of highfaluting
nonsense to explain it.

-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:07 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


That he's composed a piece of music based specifically around an idea, a
concept.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:06 
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


My arse exists on more levels than the purely conceptual, Ryan.

What do you mean by conceptual?


-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:05 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


No, it's obviously conceptual.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:04 
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


My arse

-Original Message-
From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:03 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual. 

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:02 
To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


But it's just a record

-Original Message-
From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:58 AM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-)

"Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design
to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time"

This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where
you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being
received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment
other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense
these things cease to exist.

Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario, actually a very
interesting situation which highlights certain things about how we perceive
and know anything at all.

So there!

Peace,

Andrew





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RE: (313) new Mills

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RE: (313) new Mills

[Robert Taylor]

A concept that is somewhat lacking if it takes a load of highfaluting nonsense 
to explain it.

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Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:07 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


That he's composed a piece of music based specifically around an idea, a
concept.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:06 
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


My arse exists on more levels than the purely conceptual, Ryan.

What do you mean by conceptual?


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Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:05 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


No, it's obviously conceptual.

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From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2004 1:04 
To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


My arse

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Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:03 AM
To: Robert Taylor; Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual. 

-Original Message-
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Sent: 08 April 2004 1:02 
To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


But it's just a record

-Original Message-
From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:58 AM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-)

"Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design
to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time"

This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where
you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being
received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment
other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense
these things cease to exist.

Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario, actually a very
interesting situation which highlights certain things about how we perceive
and know anything at all.

So there!

Peace,

Andrew





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RE: (313) new Mills

[Peteri, Jochem]

you think he started doing a tune thinking "this one is going on white vinyl"?
he probably got a discount while pressing or the labels looked ace on white
i dont mind conceptualization but you can find a concept in hindsight in jusyt 
about anything


yes, robert, even your arse. i´ll leave it up to someone else though. sorry


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RE: (313) new Mills

[quest pond]

Maybe this is just because his 909 is white!

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From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-)

"Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design
to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time"

This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where
you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being
received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment
other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense
these things cease to exist.

Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario, actually a very
interesting situation which highlights certain things about how we perceive
and know anything at all.

So there!

Peace,

Andrew

RE: (313) new Mills

[Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT)]

That he's composed a piece of music based specifically around an idea, a
concept.

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My arse exists on more levels than the purely conceptual, Ryan.

What do you mean by conceptual?


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No, it's obviously conceptual.

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My arse

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To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual. 

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But it's just a record

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Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-)

"Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design
to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time"

This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where
you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being
received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment
other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense
these things cease to exist.

Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario, actually a very
interesting situation which highlights certain things about how we perceive
and know anything at all.

So there!

Peace,

Andrew





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RE: (313) new Mills

[Robert Taylor]

My arse exists on more levels than the purely conceptual, Ryan.

What do you mean by conceptual?


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No, it's obviously conceptual.

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My arse

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To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual. 

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But it's just a record

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Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-)

"Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design
to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time"

This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where
you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being
received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment
other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense
these things cease to exist.

Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario, actually a very
interesting situation which highlights certain things about how we perceive
and know anything at all.

So there!

Peace,

Andrew





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RE: (313) new Mills

[Peteri, Jochem]

the "smallest room" scenario...
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My arse



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No, it's obviously conceptual.

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My arse

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To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual. 

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But it's just a record

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Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-)

"Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design
to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time"

This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where
you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being
received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment
other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense
these things cease to exist.

Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario, actually a very
interesting situation which highlights certain things about how we perceive
and know anything at all.

So there!

Peace,

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RE: (313) new Mills

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My arse

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To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual. 

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But it's just a record

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Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-)

"Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design
to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time"

This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where
you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being
received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment
other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense
these things cease to exist.

Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario, actually a very
interesting situation which highlights certain things about how we perceive
and know anything at all.

So there!

Peace,

Andrew





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To you, maybe. To Mills it's obviously conceptual. 

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But it's just a record

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Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-)

"Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design
to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time"

This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where
you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being
received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment
other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense
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interesting situation which highlights certain things about how we perceive
and know anything at all.

So there!

Peace,

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RE: (313) new Mills

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But it's just a record

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Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-)

"Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design
to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time"

This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where
you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being
received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment
other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense
these things cease to exist.

Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario, actually a very
interesting situation which highlights certain things about how we perceive
and know anything at all.

So there!

Peace,

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[Peteri, Jochem]

white is not even a colour.

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To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) new Mills


Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-)

"Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design
to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time"

This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where
you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being
received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment
other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense
these things cease to exist.

Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario, actually a very
interesting situation which highlights certain things about how we perceive
and know anything at all.

So there!

Peace,

Andrew




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RE: (313) new Mills

[Andrew]

Sorry to pile in here...philosophy background coming into play ;-)

"Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design
to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time"

This is actually justified conceptually by thinking about a situation where
you are in space which is completely white - no other information is being
received by you. You therefore have no sense of change in your environment
other than your inner sense of space and/or time, and so in an limited sense
these things cease to exist.

Philosophically I call this a 'white room' scenario, actually a very
interesting situation which highlights certain things about how we perceive
and know anything at all.

So there!

Peace,

Andrew

Re: (313) new Mills

[alex . bond]

>Ha ha - in other words: "we had to turn the level down so it'll be a quiet
>pressing" :)

heh! : )
I like this bit as well

"Mills chose the symbolic colour of white as the vinyl colour in the design
to represent an unknown destination in space and/or time"

oh, right, I see.

didn't just fancy some posh coloured vinyl then Jeff?

alex

p.s. this is not a "I hate Jeff Mills thread" because I don't at all, I
have the upmost respect for him. But, blimey, I can't help feeling
everything he does seems to HAVE to have a concept or a reason, and, at
times it comes across like he makes it all up after he's made the music to
market it better. (to my un-cultured eyes anyway)
suppose I shouldn't poke fun at it really, but, oh well.
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RE: (313) new Mills

[iancheshire]

thanks Ryan :)  
 
BTW the radio was wicked last night
 
Rob its Buster Keaton movie 'The Three Ages' 

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It's in the article, a Buster Keaton movie.

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What film do you speak of, Ian?

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what gets me is his workload, not only is he here there and everywhere 
and
releasing more records than anyone else he is now releasing a score for 
a
film in May!!.I mean is he sponsored by red bull or something :)

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> he's still talking a load of twaddle though - check the link.
>
> http://www.dancefrontdoor.co.uk/article2836.html
   
I love this bit:
   
"We resolved the mastering with references to Classical Music. 
So
by,
lowering the overall level, we were able to conform to the 
format of
vinyl"
   
Ha ha - in other words: "we had to turn the level down so it'll 
be a
quiet
pressing" :)
   
   
   





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RE: (313) new Mills

[Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT)]

It's in the article, a Buster Keaton movie.

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Sent: 08 April 2004 12:15 
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What film do you speak of, Ian?

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what gets me is his workload, not only is he here there and everywhere and
releasing more records than anyone else he is now releasing a score for a
film in May!!.I mean is he sponsored by red bull or something :)

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> he's still talking a load of twaddle though - check the link.
>
> http://www.dancefrontdoor.co.uk/article2836.html

I love this bit:

"We resolved the mastering with references to Classical Music. So
by,
lowering the overall level, we were able to conform to the format of
vinyl"

Ha ha - in other words: "we had to turn the level down so it'll be a
quiet
pressing" :)







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RE: (313) new Mills

[Robert Taylor]

What film do you speak of, Ian?

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Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:10 AM
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what gets me is his workload, not only is he here there and everywhere and 
releasing more records than anyone else he is now releasing a score for a film 
in May!!.I mean is he sponsored by red bull or something :)

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Churchill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thu 08/04/2004 11:02 
To: Alex Bond; 313 
Cc: 
Subject: Re: (313) new Mills



> he's still talking a load of twaddle though - check the link.
>
> http://www.dancefrontdoor.co.uk/article2836.html

I love this bit:

"We resolved the mastering with references to Classical Music. So by,
lowering the overall level, we were able to conform to the format of 
vinyl"

Ha ha - in other words: "we had to turn the level down so it'll be a 
quiet
pressing" :)






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RE: (313) new Mills

[iancheshire]

what gets me is his workload, not only is he here there and everywhere and 
releasing more records than anyone else he is now releasing a score for a film 
in May!!.I mean is he sponsored by red bull or something :)

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Churchill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thu 08/04/2004 11:02 
To: Alex Bond; 313 
Cc: 
Subject: Re: (313) new Mills



> he's still talking a load of twaddle though - check the link.
>
> http://www.dancefrontdoor.co.uk/article2836.html

I love this bit:

"We resolved the mastering with references to Classical Music. So by,
lowering the overall level, we were able to conform to the format of 
vinyl"

Ha ha - in other words: "we had to turn the level down so it'll be a 
quiet
pressing" :)

Re: (313) new Mills

[Tom Churchill]

> he's still talking a load of twaddle though - check the link.
> 
> http://www.dancefrontdoor.co.uk/article2836.html

I love this bit:

"We resolved the mastering with references to Classical Music. So by,
lowering the overall level, we were able to conform to the format of vinyl"

Ha ha - in other words: "we had to turn the level down so it'll be a quiet
pressing" :)

Re: [313] New Mills, Hood, Craig, Shake, 430 West...

[Cyclone Wehner]

These are just the previously unreleased tracks.

>MILLS, JEFF: The Art of Connecting CD (NEXTERA). New compilation of Jeff 
>Mills material, only released in the Czech Republic and Australia

I thought Sweden was mentioned too? Also Poland?? Don't quote me on that. 

'Deckard' 
>(unreleased), 

This is a cool, cinematic track composed as an imaginary film score. Would
suit a time lapse photography type scenario.

'Pacific State Of Mind' 
>(unreleased),

Playful and sexy - sounds like a Millsian Nude Photo! Has this girl laughing
on it.

 'UFO' 
>(unreleased)

More dramatic, quite hard and driving.

I am sure 4 Art was on another compilation?