[AI] web developer in Pune
All: I am seeking the contact info of a web development team in Pune comprised of several blind graduates of the Symbiosis Institute. I was in contact with them a year ago but lost their contact info in a computer crash. Any help appreciated, Jean Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] jaws find command not working
Hi All: Suddently the jaws find command is not working. Any ideas? Jean Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] pune post office problems again
All: I am trying to send Braille and recorded materials to the US from India. The Pune post office keeps saying the free material designation can not be used to send things outside of India. Why is it that we can send our talking books to the US with no problem and they impose this rule? This is the third time I have argued with them about this. Can someone please clarify whether or not free matter can be used to send materials outside of India and if so, please send me the exact citation in the regulations where it is written. Many thanks, Jean Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] mac training
All: Is anyone in India doing either Mac or I phone training? Jean Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile devices on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] pouring oil while cooking
Hi: What I do about that is to remove the oil from the bag when it comes from the shop and put it into a bottle of some kind. Then you can more accurately put the oil where you want it. Hope that helps, Jean Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] pouring oil while cooking
Actually, I find those to be quite messy and hard to control where the oil goes. I'm glad you have used them with success. I could never manage those thus putting it into a bottle instead. Jean -Original Message- From: payal [mailto:payal.thereside...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 8:38 PM To: radiofore...@gmail.com; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: RE: [AI] pouring oil while cooking Alternatively, there are stainless steel oil containers available in the market, different sizes with ladle type spoons which give one an excellent idea of how much oil needs to be used for a particular preparation. These fit very well into the oil containers and aren't messy either. I have used them effectively and with no trouble. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of jean parker Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 9:24 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: [AI] pouring oil while cooking Hi: What I do about that is to remove the oil from the bag when it comes from the shop and put it into a bottle of some kind. Then you can more accurately put the oil where you want it. Hope that helps, Jean Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] cooking
Hi: The electric lighters found on some stoves are good and make the job easier. You just have to remember to change the battery or they won't work. If you don't have one you must use a stove lighter to get the job done. Here is what I found though. I am one who does put the pot on the burner first most of the time so I can get it centered correctly. But if you feel the outside part of the burner there are two types of surfaces where the holes are. One is vertical and the other is beveled. The stoves with the vertical surfaces are much easier to light than those with the beveled surfaces. When the outside of the burner is vertical the holes face directly outward and are easier to hit with the lighter. The beveled one's have the holes facing somewhat inward toward the underneath side of the pot so you have to aim much more carefully wasting gas, time and patience. Just my thoughts, Jean Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] teaching online
Varun: I teach online in the Graduate School of Professional Studies for a US university. I would be happy to speak with you further about your project. You can contact me at: radiofore...@gmail.com Jean Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] care and feeding of the long white cane
Hi: I am glad you like the document and find it helpful. Also, many thanks for the format changes. Jean - Original Message - From: Vamshi. G gvamsh...@gmail.com To: Jean Parker radiofore...@gmail.com; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 5:41 AM Subject: Re: [AI] care and feeding of the long white cane Hi Jean Parker, Seems like a wonderful document on mobility for everyone, especially for people like me who are still hesitating to take up independent mobility. It's only recently that I have realised that white cane is as useful and important as a screen reading software. Hoping to see more white cane users on the road after reading documents like this. The document is in Office 2007 format. Since some of our friends are still using Office 2003, I have converted it and uploaded a doc version at http://www.sendspace.com/file/gmzvlr On 1/14/12, Jean Parker radiofore...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All: Several months ago we had a lengthy discussion about independent mobility. During that discussion I said I would make available a document with detailed explanations of effective cane travel and other related topics. Due to a number of delays the document did not get posted as intended nor was it available at the Trivandrum meeting also as planned. Below, is a dropbox link to the document which was originally written by Tom Bickford but contains extensive notation by me about how the concepts can be applied to those of us living in developing countries, including India. Unfortunately, it has not been formatted correctly for printing but someone can take that on if they wish. The link, which can be pasted into your browser, is below: Jean Parker http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3611922/CARE%20AND%20FEEDING%20OF%20THE%20LONG%20WHITE%20CANE.docx Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in -- G. Vamshi PH Res : +91 877-2243861 Mobile: +91 9949349497 E-mail ID: gvamsh...@gmail.com Skype: gvamshi81 www.retinaindia.org From darkness unto light Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] gw skype
All: I second whoever it was that mentioned GW skype. I tried skype 5 with the scripts and found it quite difficult to use. GW skype on the other hand is totally accessible and interacts with skype. The only thing it doesn't do is send sms messages but I just open up the regular skype 5 for that then close it again. The other thing it doesn't do is any video features of calls for conferencing but they also said updates to GW skype will occur in some time. Jean Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] making speeches
Something else to keep in mind is to have a backup plan in case the audio/visual equipment doesn't work. There is nothing more annoying than to attend a presentation and an unreasonable amount of time is wasted fiddling with the projector, computer or whatever. Even if you do have the time and ability to test out the equipment ahead of time, things still go wrong. Jean Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] problem sending free matter again
Colleagues: Several weeks ago I wrote to this list to inquire whether India's free matter for the blind rules had been changed. I had attempted to send a package containing Braille and recorded material to the US from India. I had tried at both the Kondhwa post office in Pune as well as from the Pune GPO. At that time I was told the free matter rule had been revoked. Earlier this week, a friend attempted to send the box from the Pune GPO and was told by someone claiming authority in such things, that the free matter policy had been revoked for five years. How then is it possible for those of us who receive talking books from the US to continue sending them back and forth to the US with no interference if the rules have been changed? In my original posting, I asked if someone could provide the actual government circular containing the free matter provision so I may show it to the postal authorities in Pune and instruct them in their own rules and policies. The only response I received was an informal one from someone who said they regularly receive materials at home under the free matter provision. Clearly, the Pune postal authorities are unequipped to read and interpret their own rules so someone else must do it for them. I am asking once again for either the actual publications where these rules are outlined or, at the very least, a web site where I may download them myself. Kanchan, Rajesh, someone from NAB? Someone else entirely? Where can the rules be obtained? And, how can I report this matter to the real authorities for resolution? Many thanks for all efforts, Jean Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] problem sending free matter again
Bhawani: Thanks very much for the info. The most recent postal official claimed there was no more surface mail and therefore, the package could not be sent. Does anyone know anything about this claim? Many thanks for all help, Jean - Original Message - From: BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA bsvermad...@gmail.com To: Jean Parker radiofore...@gmail.com; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [AI] problem sending free matter again it is still continued. here is the rule: Concession on Postage for blind literature Blind Literature packets are exempted from payment of postage (both inland and foreign) if sent by surface post. Air-mail charges are to be paid if packets are sent by air. According to the Rule 129 of the Post Office Guide, besides being exempted from the payment of postage, ' Blind Literature' packets are exempted from payment of (I) Registration fee (II) Fee for acknowledgement and (III) Fee for attested copy of the receipt. Rule 130 of the Post Office Guide defines the Contents and Conditions of posting of Blind Literature. According to this rule: Papers of any kind, periodicals and books printed in Braille or other special type for the use of the blind may be transmitted by post as 'Blind Literature' packets provided that they are posted in accordance with the below mentioned conditions. Plates bearing the characters of writing, sound records for the use of the blind, and discs, films, tapes and wires on which spoken message for the blind have been recorded, when sent by, or addressed to, an officially recognised institution for the blind, shall also be treated as 'Blind Literature'. (a) The packets shall consist only of articles specially impressed for the use of the blind, and shall not contain any communication either in writing or printed in ordinary type, except the title and table of contents of the book or periodical and any key to, or instruction for, the use of special type, or any enclosure except a level for the return of the packet. (b) The packet shall bear on the outside the inscription 'Literature for the Blind' and the written or printed name and address of the sender. (c) The packet shall be posted without a cover, or in a cover open at both ends, which can easily be removed for the purpose of examination. (d) No 'Blind Literature' packet may weigh more than 7 kg. (e) 'Blind Literature' packets are subject to the same limits of dimensions as printed papers. Rule 131 of the of the Post Office Guide defines the penalty for breach of condition: Should any of the conditions mentioned above be infringed, the packet (unless it is admissible as an ordinary packet) will be charged on delivery with letter or parcel postage, whichever may be less. The penalty for breach of the conditions in respect of foreign postage is specified under rule 307 of the of the Post Office Guide. It states that: 'Blind Literature' packets which contain any note or document having the character of actual and personal correspondence, or packets that do not allow easy examination of the contents, or which contain postage stamps, form of pre payment whether obliterated or not or paper representing any value, or which infringe any of the foregoing conditions will not be forwarded, but will be returned to the sender and will be charged in on delivery with letter or parcel postage at the internal postage rate whichever is applicable. If the sender wishes to report the article after complying with the necessary conditions, he may do so. It is permissible in such cases to use the original wrapper, but the use of a fresh wrapper is preferable and is recommended. - Original Message - From: Jean Parker radiofore...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 9:40 PM Subject: [AI] problem sending free matter again Colleagues: Several weeks ago I wrote to this list to inquire whether India's free matter for the blind rules had been changed. I had attempted to send a package containing Braille and recorded material to the US from India. I had tried at both the Kondhwa post office in Pune as well as from the Pune GPO. At that time I was told the free matter rule had been revoked. Earlier this week, a friend attempted to send the box from the Pune GPO and was told by someone claiming authority in such things, that the free matter policy had been revoked for five years. How then is it possible for those of us who receive talking books from the US to continue sending them back and forth to the US with no interference if the rules have been changed? In my original posting, I asked if someone could provide the actual government circular containing the free matter provision so I may show it to the postal authorities in Pune and instruct them in their own rules and policies. The only response I received was an informal one from someone who said they regularly
[AI] helping hands
Vanessa and All: Your points are well thought out and extremely relevant. Thank you for sharing them. Jean Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] android presentation
I am also getting dropbox 404 when I try to download the Android presentation. Jean Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] free mater mailing
All: Recently I attempted to send some braille and recorded materials using the Free Matter for the Blind facility. I was told by the people at the GPO in Pune that this facility doesn't exist anymore. Is this true? If it is or it isn't can someone send me the official policy stating that the service exists so I can complain to the postal regulators. Clarification on this issue would be much appreciated. Many thanks in advance, Jean Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] web site developer in pune
All: I am seeking names of reputable web site developers who can work in joomla and word press. Experience with accessibility is an added bonus. Off list replies are fine. Thanks in advance, Jean Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] o t contact details
All: Very sorry to clutter the list but I need to get in touch with Raybann in Delhi. Emails are coming back and I don't have a mobile number. Any help is appreciated. Again, sorry for the clutter but all other attempts to contact him have been unsuccessful. Jean Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] cane travel document
All: I have completed work on the long cane document. Prior to making it available though, it must be formatted and I don't have time just now to do that. If anyone is able to take that on please write to me off list. Jean Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] tips to manage without escort?
Prateek: Excellent list and one we can all learn from and keep in mind. I would add one thing and that is to try to arrive a little early for the event so as to become oriented to the venue in advance. Also, learn the basics about where things are such as toilets, water/food, exhibits or other things that have a fixed location. These can be used as reference points to locate other things. It is important to locate things like toilets BEFORE you need them to avoid distress,. (smile) Jean Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] tips to manage without escort?
Vetri: Indeed you are correct that lack of mobility training is a huge problem in India. However, blind people can not rely on this or that government agency to solve the problem. This will not happen in our lifetime. In some countries mobility and other blindness skills training has been taken on by the consumer organizations. They have established their own training centers run by blind people for blind people. In addition to the teacher/student relationship found in any training program, there is mentoring of blind students by blind people who work at the center or who live in the community. So a newly blind person would be taught mobility and cane travel by another blind person who has undergone a course in how to do such training. These centers do employ sighted people but in very specific areas. In some places, the centers have leveraged funds away from the government agencies. This is because their graduates actually become employed and are successful. Mobility for blind people is not rocket science. The strategies are best learned from another blind person with the occasional assistance of a sighted trainer. It is in this way that someone new to independent mobility can gain confidence in their abilities and make good choices about when to seek assistance. This is a vast country and resources are few. Waiting centuries for the government is not in the best interest of blind people. Establishing some sort of a mentoring program where blind people can impart skills to one another is the most efficient and effective way to address this problem. One or another consumer group could take this on as a part of their regular activities or, if people are tired of those consumer groups another one could be formed for this specific purpose. Jean Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] using a white cane
Kanchan: Of course it can be translated into all the Indian Languages. I have it compiled but just need to know where my notations should be. Would they be more helpful at the beginning of the document or would it be better to put them in the sections to which they apply? I will put it in a dropbox and post the link on Access India. Then anyone who wants it can download it. Jean - Original Message - From: Kanchan Pamnani kanchanpamn...@gmail.com To: Jean Parker radiofore...@gmail.com; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [AI] using a white cane Yes Jean it will be very useful for all of us. We can circulate the word document either through drop box etc and we can give it to participants at the convention in November through pen drives and if its Ok with you then we can get it translated in Marathi braille for the rural readers. I have just heard of this magazine which has about 24000 readers in Maharashtra. Other states can also decide what to do with the document. Once ready it will definitely be very very useful just like your tips have been on this list. Thanks Kanchan Kanchan - Original Message - From: Jean Parker radiofore...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:29 PM Subject: [AI] using a white cane Dear All: In reading the many postings about mobility, sighted guides and canes, it is apparent that many people on this list have never had any formal training in use of the white cane. I am thinking of those who have posted who have become blind in adulthood or are from rural areas where blindness rehabilitation training has not been available. Of course there is no substitute for a structured program in rehab and adjustment to blindness as would be received from a formal rehabilitation center. But there are documents that clearly articulate how a white cane is used and give detailed steps for learning, or improving cane technique. There is one such document on the National Federation of the Blind's web site called The Care and Feeding of the White Cane. It is written for conditions that would be found in developed countries but is very applicable to our conditions in India. It is on their web site as a series of documents by topic. I do not think it is downloadable as a whole document. However, if enough people would find it helpful I am willing to piece it together in word and make it available as a printable document. I could also make notations about variations in described techniques that would apply to our conditions. Again, this would not substitute for formal mobility training, but for people who have lost their vision and just need to get on with life perhaps it would be helpful. Even though I have been a cane traveler for many years I always get something out of it every time I read it. As a printed document it would also be available to reluctant family members and friends who really don't know how blind people manage independent travel. I would like to know if this document is something people would find of benefit? Jean Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] using a white cane
Dear All: In reading the many postings about mobility, sighted guides and canes, it is apparent that many people on this list have never had any formal training in use of the white cane. I am thinking of those who have posted who have become blind in adulthood or are from rural areas where blindness rehabilitation training has not been available. Of course there is no substitute for a structured program in rehab and adjustment to blindness as would be received from a formal rehabilitation center. But there are documents that clearly articulate how a white cane is used and give detailed steps for learning, or improving cane technique. There is one such document on the National Federation of the Blind's web site called The Care and Feeding of the White Cane. It is written for conditions that would be found in developed countries but is very applicable to our conditions in India. It is on their web site as a series of documents by topic. I do not think it is downloadable as a whole document. However, if enough people would find it helpful I am willing to piece it together in word and make it available as a printable document. I could also make notations about variations in described techniques that would apply to our conditions. Again, this would not substitute for formal mobility training, but for people who have lost their vision and just need to get on with life perhaps it would be helpful. Even though I have been a cane traveler for many years I always get something out of it every time I read it. As a printed document it would also be available to reluctant family members and friends who really don't know how blind people manage independent travel. I would like to know if this document is something people would find of benefit? Jean Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] tips to manage without escort?
vamshi: This is a great story and is exactly what is meant by independent mobility. It does not mean going everywhere by yourself. Jean Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] tips to manage without escort?
Mahesh: Thanks for bringing this up. What we know as the independent living movement began in the US and later spread to Europe and elsewhere. It was a way for people with disabilities to reject their identity as medical mistakes and reinvent themselves as a minority group experiencing exclusion based on an artificial social construct. In doing this many of the typical American philosophies of self reliance and individuality became a part of the thinking and actions disabled people took to express their independence. By the way, these values of self sufficiency and so forth are a direct result of how the US was settled and were developed in order to survive. I have crossed the US by road and train many times but I am still astonished at how those people lived in all that opened land with no one to depend on but themselves. These values are still in practice today and became a part of what we know as the independent living movement. As with most social movements the ways in which independence of disabled people was expressed took on the most extreme forms. Part of it was experimentation and some was the realization that things could be a lot better than in the past. I remember working in independent living centers in the late 1980's and there was always this discussion about why immigrants with disabilities did not seek services from these centers. The movement leaders discovered that in most of the world, people, including the disabled, have no desire to live alone in an apartment as Americans did and that people in the rest of the world viewed things in a more interdependent way. As a result of the pressure from immigrant communities telling the centers that living alone ran counter to their cultural values, things have begun to move back to a more workable stance which is a bit more tolerant of diverse views on what independence means and also tolerance for the choices people make in their personal lives. There is still a long way to go to develop an understanding of how interdependence works in different societies. Although many of the most visible and vocal blind groups in the US still hold with the notion of individuality as the ultimate expression of their independence, there are increasing numbers of blind people who are looking for more interdependence in their lives and are looking outside of American culture to find it. The independence philosophies developed in the west are very much applicable in countries like India and can be adapted to work within Indian culture but only with appropriate training and family support. As with anything, look at the menu, take what you want and leave the rest. But do it in a way that maximizes self determination within your particular circumstances and don't assume that something can't or shouldn't be done. It's the absolutes that get us into trouble. Jean Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] tips
Tips on the end of canes that is. For many years I have used a tip called a rolling ball. It is different than the mushroom or marshmallow tips that some people have because the ball is larger in diameter and hollow. The end of the cane is kept on the ground and the ball rolls back and forth in front of you as you walk. The advantages of this tip are that it doesn't get stuck as much as a straight tip and because it is hollow it gives the acoustic information that is missing in both the straight tips and some of the larger solid tips. This tip has worked very well for me for over 20 years I am sure it could be fabricated in India for much less money than I pay for mine that I get from Canada. More cane tips or rather, tips for using canes: It is essential that the movement of your cane covers the entire width of your body. You must ensure that your cane has touched the ground in all the places where you intend to put your feet thus avoiding holes or compensating for uneven ground. If you are right-handed for example, you would hold your cane in your right hand but your hand would be in the center of your body, not to the side. In this way you will be sure to touch everything. When you encounter an obsticle, you would move your cane first to explore where you want to put your feet before actually stepping there. Whether or not your cane should remain on the ground or hit the ground with more of a tapping action is debatable. I leave mine on the ground because I get more information that way and minimize the chance of missing something important. Feeling subtle changes in the ground or floor with my cane first gives me information about where I am. The length of a cane is also important. Most canes in India are to short for maximum effectiveness and present a safety problem. So the cane can be used at its full length so you have time to stop or change course if necessary. This avoids the problem of coming up on a flight of steps for example and not having enough time to react in time to line up properly on the steps. Although having a longer cane is necessary, it is also necessary to shorten the length by moving your hand down below the handle to accomodate our traffic situation and overcrowding found in India and many developing countries. This is just situational management and practice to know how far in front of you the tip of your cane should be in different situations. There are a million strategies like this that people use every day to keep themselves independent and safe. We could have entire discussions and debates on how to ask questions, using compass directions, listening for information, dealing with the public, keeping bags and belongings from getting stolen, traveling on trains and buses, handling money, etc. Jean Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] tips
You are welcome. We are all here to exchange ideas and learn from each other. Jean - Original Message - From: Renuka Warriar eren...@gmail.com To: Jean Parker radiofore...@gmail.com; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [AI] tips Thank you Jean for your tips. This is what I wanted. Thanks a lot again. On 9/24/11, Jean Parker radiofore...@gmail.com wrote: Tips on the end of canes that is. For many years I have used a tip called a rolling ball. It is different than the mushroom or marshmallow tips that some people have because the ball is larger in diameter and hollow. The end of the cane is kept on the ground and the ball rolls back and forth in front of you as you walk. The advantages of this tip are that it doesn't get stuck as much as a straight tip and because it is hollow it gives the acoustic information that is missing in both the straight tips and some of the larger solid tips. This tip has worked very well for me for over 20 years I am sure it could be fabricated in India for much less money than I pay for mine that I get from Canada. More cane tips or rather, tips for using canes: It is essential that the movement of your cane covers the entire width of your body. You must ensure that your cane has touched the ground in all the places where you intend to put your feet thus avoiding holes or compensating for uneven ground. If you are right-handed for example, you would hold your cane in your right hand but your hand would be in the center of your body, not to the side. In this way you will be sure to touch everything. When you encounter an obsticle, you would move your cane first to explore where you want to put your feet before actually stepping there. Whether or not your cane should remain on the ground or hit the ground with more of a tapping action is debatable. I leave mine on the ground because I get more information that way and minimize the chance of missing something important. Feeling subtle changes in the ground or floor with my cane first gives me information about where I am. The length of a cane is also important. Most canes in India are to short for maximum effectiveness and present a safety problem. So the cane can be used at its full length so you have time to stop or change course if necessary. This avoids the problem of coming up on a flight of steps for example and not having enough time to react in time to line up properly on the steps. Although having a longer cane is necessary, it is also necessary to shorten the length by moving your hand down below the handle to accomodate our traffic situation and overcrowding found in India and many developing countries. This is just situational management and practice to know how far in front of you the tip of your cane should be in different situations. There are a million strategies like this that people use every day to keep themselves independent and safe. We could have entire discussions and debates on how to ask questions, using compass directions, listening for information, dealing with the public, keeping bags and belongings from getting stolen, traveling on trains and buses, handling money, etc. Jean Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] travel tips without escort
Srinivasu and all: Contrary to your statement I very much do ask for assistance at conference venues and other places where independent mobility can be a challenge. I then use that information to get myself where I want to go. I synthesize everything I know, hear and experience about a place into a combined mobility strategy. Sometimes it involves independent cane travel, sometimes asking directions and sometimes sighted guide. In a conference or other unfamiliar place it usually involves all three. The strategies I use vary according to what is efficient, cost-effective, or some other factor. Having said that though, when I ask for assistance or utilize a sighted guide I almost always use my white cane as though that person wasn't there. I insist on using sighted guide technique correctly as taking someone's arm allows me to remain physically autonomous and know when there are steps or turns. I never allow someone to grab my arm and will simply refuse to move if they try to do this. Allowing this puts the blind person at a severe disadvantage physically and in a social sense. The sighted guide technique is the way it is for a reason and it is a good reason. I pay attention to the route we take to get somewhere so that I can retrace it later if necessary. As I have said before on this list, where I put my feet is my responsibility and not that of the person walking with me. Therefore, it is my responsibility to use my cane whether or not I have someone walking with me. As I indicated in the recent thread on guide dogs, being independently mobile is more about our internal capacities and confidence and not whether we use a cane or some other strategy. We as blind people have to maintain our personal power in order to remain independent. Once that is compromised then someone else is making decisions for us and the game is over. Often this involves social negotiation as well as negotiating a particular environment. It has to do with who has what information and the personal boundaries we set and observe. Jean Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] mobility
Friends: A few clarifications about sighted guide technique. It's purpose is to enable a blind person to walk beside a sighted person and get information such as steps, turns, or when a space is narrow and the blind person must go behind the sighted person. The blind person holds the arm of the sighted person just above the elbow. This position puts the sighted person a half step ahead of the blind person thus their body movements can be discerned by the blind person and important signals conveyed without all the tedious and distracting chatter about how many steps there are or a curb is being approached. The two people can engage in conversation just like any two people walking along together. If the sighted person holds the arm of the blind person, the blind person is actually ahead of the sighted person. You are pushed along like an object that must be moved somewhere instead of companionably walking with a colleague or guide. No information is conveyed and the sighted person has physical control over where you go. If you decide you don't like this person or they intend some harm it can be difficult to disengage with them whereas if you are holding their arm you just let go. At no time is it appropriate to hold someone's hand if the objective is to be guided easily and safely. Holding someone's hand does not communicate the same information to the blind person and, depending on where you are in the world, can have unintended social consequences. I repeat here the importance of continuing to use your cane while walking with someone using the sighted guide technique. Walking with a sighted person is not a substitute for using your cane. This gives you autonomy and the ability to learn the route of where you are going for the next time you need to go there. A word about escorts at conferences. In North America, escorts are not provided for blind people at conferences or events. If you wanted to bring an escort you would be responsible for that person's expenses and full admission charges. The reasons for this are complicated and have to do partly with cultural factors and with views about independence. Some blind people experience conferences for the disabled less accessible than those involving the general population because things have moved so far in the direction of self-sufficiency that they don't allow for diversity in belief. I don't know if this is changing or not as it has been many years since I attended any meetings there. So you see, things are not necessarily easier in western countries either. Jean Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] educating eye doctors
George: Congratulations on your project of educating eye doctors and other medical people about blindness. I seem to remember that one of the American consumer groups compiled some written materials for this purpose. I wonder if those booklets could be obtained, rewritten for the Indian context and translated into local languages? Sorry but I can't remember if it was the National Federation of the Blind or the American Council of the Blind. Jean Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] e 51 question
All: Which is the Talks key on the e 51? Jean Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] guide dog post clarification
All: I have been asked by several people, both off list and on, to clarify my posting regarding the viability of guide dogs in India. Please read my entire post below, before commenting as this is not a simple question. It is a long post but I don't post that often so I'll make up here for lost time. To have an enlightened discussion about whether or not guide dogs as an aide to independent mobility by blind people is a viable option in the Indian context, some facts about guide dogs and guide dog training must be understood. There are many misnomers perpetuated by popular media, about what guide dogs for the blind can and can't do and how guide dogs and their blind handlers interact. Many people, both blind and sighted, believe that a guide dog is responsible for taking a blind person to their destination rather like a sighted companion. Stories abound of the heroic guide dog who saved its blind owner from some tragedy. In reality, a guide dog responds to commands given by its blind handler such as left, right, forward etc, as part of a progressive set of directions from one place to another. The blind person must always know where he or she is going and must remain oriented to the environment at all times. At no time does a guide dog assume responsibility for taking a blind person from one place to another. It is therefore manditory that the blind handler be trained in and practice good mobility and orientation skills in order to use a dog effectively. Using a dog does not substitute for mobility training, quite the opposite. Anyone contemplating training with a guide dog must have above-average mobility skills before any training can begin. Many people make the mistake of believing that having a dog will make this requirement unnecessary. At present, the cost of training a guide dog is about fifty thousand US dollars, that is within the US economy and taking into account current labor costs etc. The suitability of a particular dog for guide work begins with the breeding process. Genetics, temperment and other profiling are factors in determining whether a dog is right for this work. Although donated dogs are occasionally trained for work as guides, the vast majority are bred at the training schools and given to families to raise. The job of puppy-raising families is to acquaint the dog with typical environments it will encounter throughout its working life. The dog is socialized within the family and local community, taken into public, and must demonstrate certain qualities of temperment and behavior necessary for a guide dog. During this time the pupppies are assessed to ensure they are developing the required skills and behaviors. When they are about eighteen months old they are taken to the training school where they begin learning how to become a guide. During this process they are constantly assessed as to whether they should remain in the program. A substantial number of dogs each year are removed from the program due to one or another reason and they are given to local families where they make excellent pets. Some even become therapy dogs or assume a service that is less stressful or demanding. During the training period the dog is also evaluated to determine what type of person would be the best match for that dog. Careful records are kept on all of these aspects so that the best possible pairing can take place. All of this explanation is to say that as one person correctly said in his posting to the list these are not pets. One does not go to a shop, pick out a dog he likes and have it trained. A person who is qualified to train guide dogs through a recognized school must first complete a two year apprenticeship before applying to be a trainer with that school. They must understand both dogs and people and they must understand how dogs can supplement the independent travel of blind people. It is not enough that someone has been a dog trainer of police dogs, therapy dogs or service dogs such as what paralyzed people have. In fact, many of the attributes desirable in guide dogs are opposite of those required in these other fields. For example, a police dog is trained to obey its owner and show aggression to a criminal or provide protection in the case of security details. Aggression on the part of a guide dog on the other hand is almost always inappropriate and can land the blind owner in a lot of difficulty. But another aspect of guide work which is different than any other work dogs do is known as intelligent disobedience. If you as the blind handler tell your dog to go forward and the dog knows it isn't safe, the dog is trained to disobey that command. In order to do this successfully, a dog must have the right combination of initiative and confidence to disobey its handler yet remain docile enough to be responsive to commands. To what degree the knowledge and skill a
[AI] guide dogs in India
Friends: I had a guide dog for many years in the US. I can tell you that it would be next to impossible to utilize the services of a dog effectively in India for many, many reasons. Training a guide dog is not the same thing as training a police dog and the police dog trainer is correct to refuse to train her dogs as guides for blind people. Jean Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] audio equipment for sale
All: Sorry if this is a bit off topic but I thought some on this list might be interested. All inquiries off-list please. Please pass along to anyone who might be interested. The following items are for sale: All 110 volts, need simple transformer. Prices are negotiable. Serious inquiries only. Contact Jean Parker at: radiofore...@gmail.com One TASCAM Patch Bay PB-32H, rack mountable, rs 5,000 One Realistic Stereo Mixing Console MODEL NO. 32 - 1200C, rs 4,000 One ASHLY Seven Band Parametric Equalizer PQX 571, rack mountable, rs 7,000 Four SONY MD Walkman - Digital Recording Digital MEGA BASS MZ R50 mini-disc recorders, rs 3,000 each One MACKIE 1202 - VLZ PRO 12 Channel Mic/ Line Mixer, rs 10,000 One Marantz PMD 222 pro cassette deck, rs 5,000 One Audio-Technica 813 mono handheld microphone, rs 2,500 Three 8 inch gooseneck tubes for microphone stands, make offer About 150 blank mini-discs with cases, make offer About 100 silver CD's suitable for external program archives with boxes, rs 5,000 One-hundred CD cases, make offer Assorted lapel microphones, make offer Assorted patch cords and mic cables, make offer Eighteen cases for double A batteries, make offer Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] gprs on e 72
All: I can't get my gprs to stay disconnected on my e 72. I have reviewed all the settings I can think of and set them to manually connect but it keeps insisting on connecting automatically costing money and wasting battery life. Any ideas? Jean Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] gprs
Hi: Thanks all for your suggestions. I suspect it is the nokia email which got activated by accident a couple of weeks ago. I have looked in the installed aps but can't find it. Any suggestions about how to disable it? As always, many thanks, Jean Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] windows phones
From an earlier message: The Microsoft chief, who was addressing a developers' meet in Tokyo, also said that the upgraded Windows Phone 7 -- to be announced -- will also have 500 new features. But are any of those features actually things people want? Jean Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] anuradha mohit contact needed
All: I am looking for current contact info for Anuradha Mohit. Email and valid phone number preferred. Thanks, Jean Parker Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] e72 and knfb reader
The following advertisement should put this question to rest once and for all: KNFB Reader Mobile Packaged with Nokia E72 and Screen Reader for $1,395 Over at our sister site, A T Guys offers a KNFB Reader Mobile package with a Nokia E72 cell phone and your choice of Talks or Mobile Speak for $ ... Jean Get numbers right this time, help the census with correct disability info!
[AI] e72
Yes the knfb reader works well with the e72. I don't know about the other phone you mentioned but they have a list of supported phones on their web site. Sometimes it goes out of date though so it's best to email their tech support to ask about a specific phone. They are responsive and they do answer emails unlike some other tech support people I know. Jean
Re: [AI] e72
Hi: I use it every day and it works. Pranav is also using it with e72. If you email knfb directly they will also tell you that it works with e72. Jean - Original Message - From: Ashwani Jassal ashwanijas...@gmail.com To: 'Jean Parker' radiofore...@gmail.com; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 11:37 PM Subject: RE: [AI] e72 Madam I have checked with Mr. Ram Agarwal about the compatibility of e72 with KNFB reader and he gave me negative reply meaning there by knfb reader doesn't work with e72.
[AI] nokia contact
All: Does anyone have a contact at Nokia, preferably at the highest senior level? Many thanks, Jean
Re: [AI] thai airways
Prashant: Thanks for responding. I wasn't sure as there have been problems in the past or so I have heard. I'll keep my fingers crossed. Jean - Original Message - From: Prashant Verma pr_ve...@hotmail.com To: Jean Parker radiofore...@gmail.com; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [AI] thai airways My several trips with this airline has been very pleasant. -- From: Jean Parker radiofore...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 11:58 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: [AI] thai airways Hi: Anyone have recent experience with Thai Airways? I have heard that in the past they have exhibited bad behavior to blind people but don't know if there have been recent adjustments. Jean
[AI] thai airways
Hi: Anyone have recent experience with Thai Airways? I have heard that in the past they have exhibited bad behavior to blind people but don't know if there have been recent adjustments. Jean
[AI] tuk tuk meter fare program
Harish: Do you know if this is accessible? Also, I checked the web site and it only has android version. Is there a separate sym version or does the same version work on all the phones? Jean
[AI] English phonetics
All: Just to clarify, the question is about a specific script known as the English phonetic alphabet. Its purpose is to render a visual representation of sounds in English. I have also encountered this problem in studying for my certification in teaching English as a foreign language. I know some blind linguists who might be able to help so I'll contact them. If anyone else has insight into how this can be made accessible please let us know. Jean To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] radio program
All: Just some thoughts: How will this effort be different from Radio Eyeway? What editing software will they teach the students to use and will it be compatible with what is being used in All India Radio and the commercial FM stations? If they are training students for jobs what efforts are in place to get them hired at existing stations? Jean Parker, Independent Radio Journalist Pune, India To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] ovi maps
All: For anyone who is interested there is a podcast on the blind cool tech site with a demonstration of the new release of mobilespeak with ovi maps. Harish one thing I would like to have is a comparison between the information given by talks 5 and by mobilespeak. That way we would know how much advantage we would have with mobilespeak versus using it with talks. In other words, is using it with talks good enough or is there a substantial improvement using it with mobilespeak. This information would be very helpful. Jean To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] nokia maps
Harish: I need some points clarified. 1. What is the gps application you are using? How much does it cost and where do we download it? 2. How does what you described compare with the news about mobile speak and nokia maps? 3. After all the installations have been done how long does it take for the gps receiver to get the satellite? 4. Is there a look around feature or a where am I option in the software? I am sure there are others I have missed but addressing these points first will help. Jean To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] windows explorer question
Hi: Thanks for the suggestion but I'm not sure how this works. What I want to accomplish is that after I delete or move a file from windows explorer, I want jaws to begin reading the list of files from where I left off instead of beginning at the top of the list. Jean - Original Message - From: Jeevaraj To: Jean Parker ; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [AI] windows explorer question hello i hope, it will help you out press insert S, where you getting problom. set that in to Highlighted. if the problom persist, you can press space bar when its reading continuously. the curser will move to the next item, where you deleted. with best regards Jeeva On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Jean Parker radiofore...@gmail.com wrote: Amar: If I delete something from the desktop jaws does not begin reading from the top. I think it reads from the next item in the row, not the column. Either that or jaws begins reading at some random location within the list, I'm not sure. The point being that it does not resume reading just after the deleted file. I hope that answers your question and again, thanks for any help. Jean - Original Message - From: Amar Jain amarjain2...@gmail.com To: Jean Parker radiofore...@gmail.com; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 10:29 PM Subject: Re: [AI] windows explorer question Jean Mam, Just tell me whether it is also happening with your icons on desktop? -Original Message- From: Jean Parker Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 10:21 PM To: B. P. Mohith ; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] windows explorer question That's very strange because I am also using jaws 11. After deleting an item it begins reading from the top of the list. Of course I can hit the letter of the next thing and resume from there but what if there a lot of items in the list beginning with the same letter or number? It's an annoyance really and has been since the beginning. I would be interested in what settings give you the ability to resume reading where you left off in the list? Jean - Original Message - From: B. P. Mohith ckm.moh...@gmail.com To: Jean Parker radiofore...@gmail.com; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [AI] windows explorer question Hello, I am unclear about your problem, I am using windows xp with jaws 11, after deleting any items in windows explorer/my computer here jaws is not reading whole list rather the focus will be on the next item, but it will not be selected. On 11/12/10, Jean Parker radiofore...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All: Now a question about windows explorer. Let's suppose you are arrowing through a list of files, and you want to delete one or move it or something. After taking that action, jaws begins reading the list from the top. In a list containing dozens or hundreds of files this is very annoying. Is there any way to fix this? Is this a jaws problem or a windows explorer problem? As always, any help much appreciated, Jean To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in -- Strength is life, weakness is death Best Regards Mohith B. P. Personal ID: mohit...@rediffmail.com To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] windows explorer question
That's very strange because I am also using jaws 11. After deleting an item it begins reading from the top of the list. Of course I can hit the letter of the next thing and resume from there but what if there a lot of items in the list beginning with the same letter or number? It's an annoyance really and has been since the beginning. I would be interested in what settings give you the ability to resume reading where you left off in the list? Jean - Original Message - From: B. P. Mohith ckm.moh...@gmail.com To: Jean Parker radiofore...@gmail.com; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [AI] windows explorer question Hello, I am unclear about your problem, I am using windows xp with jaws 11, after deleting any items in windows explorer/my computer here jaws is not reading whole list rather the focus will be on the next item, but it will not be selected. On 11/12/10, Jean Parker radiofore...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All: Now a question about windows explorer. Let's suppose you are arrowing through a list of files, and you want to delete one or move it or something. After taking that action, jaws begins reading the list from the top. In a list containing dozens or hundreds of files this is very annoying. Is there any way to fix this? Is this a jaws problem or a windows explorer problem? As always, any help much appreciated, Jean To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in -- Strength is life, weakness is death Best Regards Mohith B. P. Personal ID: mohit...@rediffmail.com To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] windows explorer question
Amar: If I delete something from the desktop jaws does not begin reading from the top. I think it reads from the next item in the row, not the column. Either that or jaws begins reading at some random location within the list, I'm not sure. The point being that it does not resume reading just after the deleted file. I hope that answers your question and again, thanks for any help. Jean - Original Message - From: Amar Jain amarjain2...@gmail.com To: Jean Parker radiofore...@gmail.com; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 10:29 PM Subject: Re: [AI] windows explorer question Jean Mam, Just tell me whether it is also happening with your icons on desktop? -Original Message- From: Jean Parker Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 10:21 PM To: B. P. Mohith ; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] windows explorer question That's very strange because I am also using jaws 11. After deleting an item it begins reading from the top of the list. Of course I can hit the letter of the next thing and resume from there but what if there a lot of items in the list beginning with the same letter or number? It's an annoyance really and has been since the beginning. I would be interested in what settings give you the ability to resume reading where you left off in the list? Jean - Original Message - From: B. P. Mohith ckm.moh...@gmail.com To: Jean Parker radiofore...@gmail.com; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [AI] windows explorer question Hello, I am unclear about your problem, I am using windows xp with jaws 11, after deleting any items in windows explorer/my computer here jaws is not reading whole list rather the focus will be on the next item, but it will not be selected. On 11/12/10, Jean Parker radiofore...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All: Now a question about windows explorer. Let's suppose you are arrowing through a list of files, and you want to delete one or move it or something. After taking that action, jaws begins reading the list from the top. In a list containing dozens or hundreds of files this is very annoying. Is there any way to fix this? Is this a jaws problem or a windows explorer problem? As always, any help much appreciated, Jean To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in -- Strength is life, weakness is death Best Regards Mohith B. P. Personal ID: mohit...@rediffmail.com To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] jaws and ie 8
All: Ever since I installed internet explorer 8 on my computer, a strange thing is happening when I open the browser. Sometimes a list appears containing web sites or ftp sites I have visited in the past. It blocks all the text on the page and makes it useless. This does not happen all the time but I have not been able to discover any patern to it. I have cleared out the history in internet explorer so that isn't the problem. Are there tool bars I should uncheck or something of the sort to get rid of this problem? Any help will be grately appreciated. Jean To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] jaws and ie 8
Many thanks. Indeed, that seems to have fixed the problem. Jean - Original Message - From: Amar Jain amarjain2...@gmail.com To: Jean Parker radiofore...@gmail.com; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [AI] jaws and ie 8 Respected Madam, Under Internet OptionsSome tabAutocomplete untick the box which says remember web addresses. And actually it’s a list box, so just close the list box. I think that tab is content tab. Regards Amar Jain. -Original Message- From: Jean Parker Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 11:39 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: [AI] jaws and ie 8 All: Ever since I installed internet explorer 8 on my computer, a strange thing is happening when I open the browser. Sometimes a list appears containing web sites or ftp sites I have visited in the past. It blocks all the text on the page and makes it useless. This does not happen all the time but I have not been able to discover any patern to it. I have cleared out the history in internet explorer so that isn't the problem. Are there tool bars I should uncheck or something of the sort to get rid of this problem? Any help will be grately appreciated. Jean To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] windows explorer question
Dear All: Now a question about windows explorer. Let's suppose you are arrowing through a list of files, and you want to delete one or move it or something. After taking that action, jaws begins reading the list from the top. In a list containing dozens or hundreds of files this is very annoying. Is there any way to fix this? Is this a jaws problem or a windows explorer problem? As always, any help much appreciated, Jean To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] signatures
Sorry folks, the standard in the world is that blind people use their signatures. Take a pen and a paper and have someone go over the movements of the pen for your signature until you can replicate on your own. First try it without the signature guide in order to understand how the letters are made. Then make them smaller and smaller until they fit within the signature guide. Blind people who refuse to learn how to sign their names create problems for the rest of us when banks, government agencies and the like make up stupid rules based on the notion that blind people are illiterate. You must learn! Jean To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] additional thoughts on mobility
I am a writer and radio producer. I travel extensively to write stories and interview people. Jean - Original Message - From: Shadab Husain shadab...@gmail.com To: Jean Parker radiofore...@gmail.com; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 12:39 AM Subject: Re: [AI] additional thoughts on mobility Dear Ma'am, Thanks for your emails. You can perhaps write a book on mobility and independence. It would be additionally useful because apart from bestowing light on general mobility, you can also talk from women's point of view. I am afraid I don't know what is your profession, presumably you would have told about it long time before. It would be obliging if you tell us about it, so that people who want to take up a travel-involving job can be inspired and benefited by it. Thanking you, Shadab There is enough light for one who wants to see. Easy tips of improving English at http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/ My contributions to the press http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/2008/10/my-contributions-to-press.html#link Many posts on one page http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00max-results=47 - Original Message - From: Jean Parker radiofore...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 2:31 PM Subject: [AI] additional thoughts on mobility Further to my previous posting, here are some other things to consider. Many of you know that my work requires a lot of travel both inside India and to other parts of the world. The fact is that I could not do my job if I lived in North America. Why? Because there is inadequate transport and I don't drive. America is a country in love with its cars and the transport infrastructure reflects this. Even in the largest cities on the east coast it would be difficult or impossible to do the kind of work I do because there is inadequate transport. America is set up for people who drive. India on the other hand, is set up for people who don't drive. Even with the increase in the amount of vehicles on the roads today, the infrastructure of trains, buses and rickshaws remains intact. There is a culture of public transport. Everyone uses it except the very wealthy. In America most people who use public transport are the poor and those who have lost their driving license because of drunk driving. Although in cities like New York, Boston and Washington this is not as much the case, there is no arguing the fact that America is geared to those who drive. So what does that mean in a practical sense? In America where a blind person can live is limited by the availability of public transport unless they make a choice to ask others for rides all the time. It means a blind person's work location is also limited by the availability of transport unless he wants to depend on co-workers or taxis which are extremely expensive. It also means that a blind person's social life is limited by these same factors unless he is accompanied by a sighted friend or relative. In most places in the US, using public transportation is not a viable option if one is seeking equality in the ability to move about in society. When a blind person in the west encounters some blind person from India or another developing country and that person has an assistant with them, some look upon this with scorn. They observe that the blind person allows the assistant to make decisions for them and is not in control of how the assistant actually empowers that blind person to do his job more effectively. But others look upon this with curiosity and some envy. In America, one can not choose whether or not to travel with an assistant. There are none. One either does the thing himself or it doesn't get done at all. One advantage we have here is that we can choose whether or not to seek assistance and we can govern how that assistance is utilized. We can be very creative about this. Having a personal assistant is part of the culture. It is not at all considered unusual to have one so if you're blind, you can have your driver or your assistant and it's considered normal. Not so in America. If we choose to use it, we have a lot of autonomy here that is not available in the west. If I have an appointment ten kilometers away for example and I either need or want to go there by myself, in India I go outside my building and get a rickshaw and go there. In America I have two choices depending on where the appointment is. I might be able to take several buses in which case I would have to plan ahead, figure out the schedules, find out if the bus goes anywhere close to the place I want to go, and perhaps spend several hours getting there and back. Or, I can get a taxi which would cost an enormous amount of money. Neither choice leads to equality. People ask me all the time why I have remained in India as long
[AI] behavior of superior
I do not have enough information about the particular situation under discussion to make any specific comments. But I do know there is often a double standard among work colleagues. When there is no disability involved group cooperation is known as team work, But when a disability enters the equasion, somehow it's no longer group cooperation but becomes help. How and to what degree the person with the disability contributes to the overall functioning of the group appears to be irrelevant to people who think this way. Jean Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons with disability bill at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/blog.htm To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] pen friend
A lot of people use it for labeling CD collections, books, or other uses where there is a lot of print material on many items. On RNIB's web site there is a list of things people use it for. Jean - Original Message - From: aisha sahani mailtoaishasah...@gmail.com To: Jean Parker radiofore...@gmail.com; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [AI] pen friend hmm, i've heard its a good device. will try to find some information about it, and will contact you off the list for obtaining some information. aisha sahani. On 9/26/10, Jean Parker radiofore...@gmail.com wrote: I have one. You can write to me off list with any questions. I inquired some time ago about availability in India but no one had it. I don't know whether or not this has changed. Jean Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons with disability bill at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/blog.htm To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons with disability bill at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/blog.htm To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] independence and mobility
All: Being independent in one's mobility does not mean never utilizing the assistance of others. Actually, it means quite the opposite. To be independently mobile, one uses one's mobility skills which might include, cane, listening, asking for and using information about one's location, having back-up plans in case the first plan doesn't work, employing strategies to get where you want to go and, at times, requesting and receiving assistance from others. The thing that makes you independent is that you make the decisions about where you will go, when you will go, who else will go, what you will do when you get there, and how you will get there. It doesn't mean, nor has it ever meant, never asking for assistance from others. It does mean gauging one's environment based on what you know about it and employing the mobility skills and available assistance that best fits the situation. But the key is that YOU decide, no one else decides for you. It might interest you to know that while blind people in the United States often pride themselves on using good cane technique and navigating to unknown locations by themselves, this does not mean not asking for and receiving assistance. The environment there is much different than it is here. You should also know, that many blind people in the United States find themselves in the difficult situation of attending large events and having no assistance available to them at times when they really need it. This is both a practical issue and a cultural one. It asks the question of how each person defines independence and how do they implement their beliefs in everyday life. It also raises the question of how we judge each other's mobility skills and/or preferences. This is an ongoing debate among blind people which will probably not be completed in any of our lifetimes. We can not always apply the mobility strategies used in the west here in India or in most other developing countries. But we can adapt much of the philosophy that has emerged in the west and adjust the techniques to meet our individual needs. Finally, having traveled widely in many parts of the world, the strategies I use to get where I want to go are always flexible as to the environment, language, time of day, culture and a million other factors that are beyond the scope of this list. The strategies I use in India are often different than the one's I use in America or Europe but the end result is that I still get where I want to go and I am in control of the process. Jean Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons with disability bill at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/blog.htm To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] additional thoughts on mobility
Further to my previous posting, here are some other things to consider. Many of you know that my work requires a lot of travel both inside India and to other parts of the world. The fact is that I could not do my job if I lived in North America. Why? Because there is inadequate transport and I don't drive. America is a country in love with its cars and the transport infrastructure reflects this. Even in the largest cities on the east coast it would be difficult or impossible to do the kind of work I do because there is inadequate transport. America is set up for people who drive. India on the other hand, is set up for people who don't drive. Even with the increase in the amount of vehicles on the roads today, the infrastructure of trains, buses and rickshaws remains intact. There is a culture of public transport. Everyone uses it except the very wealthy. In America most people who use public transport are the poor and those who have lost their driving license because of drunk driving. Although in cities like New York, Boston and Washington this is not as much the case, there is no arguing the fact that America is geared to those who drive. So what does that mean in a practical sense? In America where a blind person can live is limited by the availability of public transport unless they make a choice to ask others for rides all the time. It means a blind person's work location is also limited by the availability of transport unless he wants to depend on co-workers or taxis which are extremely expensive. It also means that a blind person's social life is limited by these same factors unless he is accompanied by a sighted friend or relative. In most places in the US, using public transportation is not a viable option if one is seeking equality in the ability to move about in society. When a blind person in the west encounters some blind person from India or another developing country and that person has an assistant with them, some look upon this with scorn. They observe that the blind person allows the assistant to make decisions for them and is not in control of how the assistant actually empowers that blind person to do his job more effectively. But others look upon this with curiosity and some envy. In America, one can not choose whether or not to travel with an assistant. There are none. One either does the thing himself or it doesn't get done at all. One advantage we have here is that we can choose whether or not to seek assistance and we can govern how that assistance is utilized. We can be very creative about this. Having a personal assistant is part of the culture. It is not at all considered unusual to have one so if you're blind, you can have your driver or your assistant and it's considered normal. Not so in America. If we choose to use it, we have a lot of autonomy here that is not available in the west. If I have an appointment ten kilometers away for example and I either need or want to go there by myself, in India I go outside my building and get a rickshaw and go there. In America I have two choices depending on where the appointment is. I might be able to take several buses in which case I would have to plan ahead, figure out the schedules, find out if the bus goes anywhere close to the place I want to go, and perhaps spend several hours getting there and back. Or, I can get a taxi which would cost an enormous amount of money. Neither choice leads to equality. People ask me all the time why I have remained in India as long as I have. One of the biggest reasons is transport. There are also significant disadvantages in India that we all know about and there is no need to reiterate them here, perhaps the biggest exclusionary factor we all face is social exclusion and paternalism. This is probably the root cause of most of the difficulties of blind people. In America, things are in general but not always more advanced in this department. There are many other things that are more convenient here that are again, beyond the scope of this list. All I want to say is that the matter is not as simple as it appears. Jean Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons with disability bill at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/blog.htm To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] one more thought
I promise this is the last for a while and I will return to my usual observer status. About asking for assistance, I am a good cane traveler. I have good mobility skills and have taught others. But, each time I cross the road in front of my building I ask for assistance. There is no signal, the road is fast and downhill and I can't always hear the traffic coming. So I ask. It's the safe and practical thing to do. But I do it in a way that keeps me in control, for example, taking the person's arm instead of the other way round, continuing to use my cane and not letting them get the idea they are indispensable, they are not. Jean Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons with disability bill at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/blog.htm To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] independence and mobility
Well I'm laughing outloud at your comparison! The best would be if we are independent and effective at the same time. Jean - Original Message - From: Vamshi G gvamsh...@gmail.com To: 'Jean Parker' radiofore...@gmail.com; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 6:01 PM Subject: RE: [AI] independence and mobility Hi Jean Parker, Very rightly said. I fully support your opinion. In the 2008 Access India convention, Mr. Vinod Asudani said, if a blind person wants to go out, one escort is enough. But if the prime minister of India wants to go out, atleast 50 escorts should be there. That means PM of India is more dependent than a blind person. He added that being effective is more important than being independent. Ffull marks to your opinion. Regards, Vamshi G M: +91 9949349497 R: +91 877 2243861 Skype: gvamshi81 www.retinaindia.org From darkness unto light -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Jean Parker Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 1:25 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: [AI] independence and mobility All: Being independent in one's mobility does not mean never utilizing the assistance of others. Actually, it means quite the opposite. To be independently mobile, one uses one's mobility skills which might include, cane, listening, asking for and using information about one's location, having back-up plans in case the first plan doesn't work, employing strategies to get where you want to go and, at times, requesting and receiving assistance from others. The thing that makes you independent is that you make the decisions about where you will go, when you will go, who else will go, what you will do when you get there, and how you will get there. It doesn't mean, nor has it ever meant, never asking for assistance from others. It does mean gauging one's environment based on what you know about it and employing the mobility skills and available assistance that best fits the situation. But the key is that YOU decide, no one else decides for you. It might interest you to know that while blind people in the United States often pride themselves on using good cane technique and navigating to unknown locations by themselves, this does not mean not asking for and receiving assistance. The environment there is much different than it is here. You should also know, that many blind people in the United States find themselves in the difficult situation of attending large events and having no assistance available to them at times when they really need it. This is both a practical issue and a cultural one. It asks the question of how each person defines independence and how do they implement their beliefs in everyday life. It also raises the question of how we judge each other's mobility skills and/or preferences. This is an ongoing debate among blind people which will probably not be completed in any of our lifetimes. We can not always apply the mobility strategies used in the west here in India or in most other developing countries. But we can adapt much of the philosophy that has emerged in the west and adjust the techniques to meet our individual needs. Finally, having traveled widely in many parts of the world, the strategies I use to get where I want to go are always flexible as to the environment, language, time of day, culture and a million other factors that are beyond the scope of this list. The strategies I use in India are often different than the one's I use in America or Europe but the end result is that I still get where I want to go and I am in control of the process. Jean Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons with disability bill at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/blog.htm To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons with disability bill at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/blog.htm To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] additional thoughts on mobility
If you take someone's arm to cross a road for example, you are agreeing that for whatever reason, vision is needed to do the task. Having made that decision then, you have chosen to rely on another's judgment for both of your safety. This is a tricky thing because on one hand we are saying we want someone's help but it is vital that we remain in control of our own self as much as possible. If I am using my cane properly and I step in a whole that's my responsibility. If we are using a cane correctly it's not fair to make someone else responsible for the whereabouts of our feet. You are correct that we can not endanger someone else's life due to our own neglegence or inattentiveness. But at the same time I say that, the two times when I have come the closest to being hit by a vehicle were both with sighted people. So ultimately, we have to take responsibility for ourselves. The sighted guide technique of walking with a sighted person has another aspect besides giving us the ability to disengage from that person should it become necessary. If you walk with a person taking their arm, the sighted person is a half step before you. This way you get all sorts of indications about turns, steps, doorways etc. You can easily respond to the subtle signals given by the guide in this way clearing the way for meaningful conversation if desired rather than the all-to-often well-meant but unnecessary verbalization of the obvious which is so often the case when walking with the sighted. The reality of these situations also is that the decisions and actions surrounding them take place in an instant without the luxury of time for contemplation and philosophical debate! Jean Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons with disability bill at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/blog.htm To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] text to mp3 files
That would also be a good question to ask on the Blind Cool Tech mailing list. If you google blind cool tech you will find their web page and subscription info. There are different synthetic voices as well so you don't have to always read with Eloquence which is the voice Jaws uses. Some of them are free and some cost money. Jean Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons with disability bill at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/blog.htm To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] icici bank
Mahendra: Are you using the Money to India site? If so, perhaps you could give me a tutorial via skype or something. I just can't make the thing work. Jean - Original Message - From: mahendra gal...@chello.at To: Jean Parker radiofore...@gmail.com; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [AI] icici web interface well i face no problem transfering funds online internationally as well!! ce At 10:57 AM 9/23/2010, you wrote: Depends on what you want to accomplish. Icici web interface for transferring funds internationally is miserable. Jean Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons with disability bill at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/blog.htm To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in with warm regards Mahendra Galani window's live ID mahendragal...@hotmail.com skype ID chintu3886 phone +4314943149 mobile +4369910366055, address Herbst strasse 101.16.1 Vienna Austria Europe - Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons with disability bill at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/blog.htm To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] boss behavior
Mahesh: While I understand that such attitudes can and do come from ignorance and that personal re-education of the boss may have been in order, I find it difficult to believe this individual made these comments without deliberate and calculated planning. Ok, maybe you could have condiscended to his ignorance and had a one to one discussion with him about the matter, but someone in that kind of a senior position knows better than to make these remarks. I object to the notion that we are here to educate sighted people about what blind people can do at the expense of our careers, relationships, education or whatever it is we are trying to accomplish. A point of interest is that one belief of Martin Luther King and his colleagues during the black civil rights movement was that it was not the responsibility of black people to educate white people. It was white people's responsibility to educate themselves. We could apply this to many different situations as well, not just blindness. When we encounter a person of a different disability than ours or from a different race or religion do we expect them to give us a 101 course in whatever it is they are? I would hope not. If you do choose to pursue something be sure that everything is in writing so a paper trail exists. Jean Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons with disability bill at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/blog.htm To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] icici web interface
Depends on what you want to accomplish. Icici web interface for transferring funds internationally is miserable. Jean Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons with disability bill at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/blog.htm To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] computer training for deaf and dumb
All: Could we please up-date our language? Referring to people as deaf and dumb is not only inaccurate but insulting. Jean Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons with disability bill at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/blog.htm To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Committee to draft new disability law.
Keep dreaming. Jean - Original Message - From: Pamnani kanchanpamn...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Committee to draft new disability law. Rajesh half a decade is 5 years. My bet is 2 years. Lets se when the time comes as to who is right and who is proved wrong. If I am nearly right you will promise to be less pessimestic and less cynical in the future. If I am totally wrong then I will forget about the law for the disabled and join my dharna brothers and sisters. On a more serious note lets hope it is a good law and hopefully the private sector is included and hopefully there is accountability. Kanchan Pamnani Advocate Solicitor 9, Suleman Chambers, Battery Street, Colaba, Mumbai - 400 039. - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Committee to draft new disability law. Okay, but I also know that the process of new committee, drafting and commenting on the statute and finally having a brand new law implies status quo for at least half a decade. Would be glad if proved wrong not verbally but factually. Regards Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create Him. --Arthur C. Clarke (Rajesh Asudani) Assistant General Manager, Reserve Bank of India Nagpur 09420397185 O: 0712 2806676 Res: 0712 2591349 -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 7:53 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Committee to draft new disability law. George I can atleast say that now we know we are going towards a new Law. One barrier broken one step ahead. Let the committee do its best. They have plenty of material to work on. For the last 4 years consultations have been going on and recommendations have been going to the Ministry. If they take a lot of the suggestions in, we will have a good law. Once the draft is ready we will see it on the Ministry's website and we can then criticize it add to it or delete it. If it is not good enough we can restart the process. The disabled world has changed. Many people know their minds and rights and many people have a voice and know how to use it. Hopefully somebody with some sense has chosen the committee. I know that many thought they should be on the committee because they represented the so called National Organisations, its upto the Ministry to decide. Lets give the new committee a chance. Kanchan - Original Message - From: George Abraham geo...@eyeway.org To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Committee to draft new disability law. It is really exciting that a brand new law is to be drafted. I am not however sure if they have got the best team on board to draft the bill. I am not sure if this law will dramatically depart from charity to an inclusive one. Regards, George - Original Message - From: Suhas Karnik suhasvkar...@hotmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 10:53 PM Subject: [AI] Committee to draft new disability law. Dear friends. The ministry of social justice and empowerment, government of Indiahas constituted a committee of experts to draft a new disability law which will replace the existing one. MSSudha Kaul shall be the chairperson. Other members are G. Syamala executive director of A.A.D.I. DR Bhushan Punani, executive director of Blind people's association, MS Jayashree Ravindran of ability foundation Chennai, Shree Karna from Hydrabad, MS merry Baruva, MS Uma Tuli former chief disability commissioner, Shree Rajiv Raturi of Human rights law network New Delhi. MS Punam Natrajan and general Cardozo will be the members of this committee by virtue of their office, that is chairpersons of national trust and rehabilitation council of India respectively. Details awaited. Suhas Karnik. _ Catch the latest in the world of fashion http://lifestyle.in.msn.com/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To
Re: [AI] Seeking techniques for proof reading text
If you go to their web site you will find links to the various email lists. I think it's www.nfb.org. That's where the journalist list is as well as the writers list. Jean - Original Message - From: Subramani L lsubram...@deccanherald.co.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Seeking techniques for proof reading text Could you pl let me know the mailing list for the blind journalists? Subramani -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Jean Parker Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 11:08 AM To: mrmukeshsha...@gmail.com; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Seeking techniques for proof reading text All: The US-based National Federation of the Blind has an email list for their writers division. I know that a number of people in that division work as copy editors. They might have additional info about how they do detailed proofreading. There is also a list for blind journalists on which this question could be posed. Jean - Original Message - From: Mukesh Sharma mrmukeshsha...@gmail.com To: manis...@gmail.com; accessindia@accessindia.org.in; 'Geetha Shamanna' gee...@millernorbert.de Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Seeking techniques for proof reading text Very much possible, Check options Menu Voices Submenu Voice Adjustments ... Upper Case Pitch Change Percent. I prefer the sound option, makes work interesting. Mukesh -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Manish Agrawal Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 6:53 PM To: 'Geetha Shamanna'; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Seeking techniques for proof reading text doesn't using pitch to distinguish caps help you? Back in the day when I used to do a lot of proof reading as an editor for technical documents, I had set up pitch for caps during continuous reading and say cap during word by word and character navigation. I don't necessarily remember how I set it up or if this can be done with the latest versions. Also, the pitch is slightly more distinct with eloquence than with espeak where everything sounds the same to me. -Manish -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Geetha Shamanna Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 1:44 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Seeking techniques for proof reading text Thank you, will try that out. That should make spotting misplaced capital letters a lot easier. Geetha - Original Message - From: Mukesh Sharma mrmukeshsha...@gmail.com To: 'Geetha Shamanna' gee...@millernorbert.de; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Seeking techniques for proof reading text Hello, For cap announcement, you can set to play sound, which will be less irritating. To do that, Go to JAWS Utility Menu configuration manager Set Options Menu Speech and Sound Manager Edit Current Scheme Misc Tab Page, there in the list select cap and then tab to the set of radio choices and select Play Sound. The next button will allow you to select WAVE file to be played. I suggest to create a new sound scheme to be used for proof reading, you can customize many options by using this method. Thanks Mukesh -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Geetha Shamanna Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:00 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Seeking techniques for proof reading text Hi Pranav and all, As a translator, I am expected to proofread translated documents all the time. While the spellcheck feature of Word tracks down most of the spelling errors and spacing inconsistencies, the biggest difficulty I encounter when proofreading with the help of a screen reader relates to tracking down inappropriate/inadvertent capitalisation. Turning on Jaws' capitalisation announcement feature can solve the problem, but this can be grating on the ears. I am yet to find a speech-based solution to this problem. Geetha - Original Message - From: Pranav Lal pranav@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 5:30 PM Subject: [AI] Seeking techniques for proof reading text Hi all, What techniques do you use to proof read text? Do you use audio or Braille? I am in a situation where I need to produce perfect text. I cannot afford even a single error. I use a screen reader namely Jaws for Windows. I do most of my writing in Microsoft Word so use the spelling and grammar checker that comes with Microsoft Office. I also review my documents using speech but I am liable to miss things especially if two words sound
Re: [AI] Seeking techniques for proof reading text
All: The US-based National Federation of the Blind has an email list for their writers division. I know that a number of people in that division work as copy editors. They might have additional info about how they do detailed proofreading. There is also a list for blind journalists on which this question could be posed. Jean - Original Message - From: Mukesh Sharma mrmukeshsha...@gmail.com To: manis...@gmail.com; accessindia@accessindia.org.in; 'Geetha Shamanna' gee...@millernorbert.de Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Seeking techniques for proof reading text Very much possible, Check options Menu Voices Submenu Voice Adjustments ... Upper Case Pitch Change Percent. I prefer the sound option, makes work interesting. Mukesh -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Manish Agrawal Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 6:53 PM To: 'Geetha Shamanna'; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Seeking techniques for proof reading text doesn't using pitch to distinguish caps help you? Back in the day when I used to do a lot of proof reading as an editor for technical documents, I had set up pitch for caps during continuous reading and say cap during word by word and character navigation. I don't necessarily remember how I set it up or if this can be done with the latest versions. Also, the pitch is slightly more distinct with eloquence than with espeak where everything sounds the same to me. -Manish -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Geetha Shamanna Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 1:44 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Seeking techniques for proof reading text Thank you, will try that out. That should make spotting misplaced capital letters a lot easier. Geetha - Original Message - From: Mukesh Sharma mrmukeshsha...@gmail.com To: 'Geetha Shamanna' gee...@millernorbert.de; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Seeking techniques for proof reading text Hello, For cap announcement, you can set to play sound, which will be less irritating. To do that, Go to JAWS Utility Menu configuration manager Set Options Menu Speech and Sound Manager Edit Current Scheme Misc Tab Page, there in the list select cap and then tab to the set of radio choices and select Play Sound. The next button will allow you to select WAVE file to be played. I suggest to create a new sound scheme to be used for proof reading, you can customize many options by using this method. Thanks Mukesh -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Geetha Shamanna Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:00 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Seeking techniques for proof reading text Hi Pranav and all, As a translator, I am expected to proofread translated documents all the time. While the spellcheck feature of Word tracks down most of the spelling errors and spacing inconsistencies, the biggest difficulty I encounter when proofreading with the help of a screen reader relates to tracking down inappropriate/inadvertent capitalisation. Turning on Jaws' capitalisation announcement feature can solve the problem, but this can be grating on the ears. I am yet to find a speech-based solution to this problem. Geetha - Original Message - From: Pranav Lal pranav@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 5:30 PM Subject: [AI] Seeking techniques for proof reading text Hi all, What techniques do you use to proof read text? Do you use audio or Braille? I am in a situation where I need to produce perfect text. I cannot afford even a single error. I use a screen reader namely Jaws for Windows. I do most of my writing in Microsoft Word so use the spelling and grammar checker that comes with Microsoft Office. I also review my documents using speech but I am liable to miss things especially if two words sound alike. Pranav To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes,
Re: [AI] Seeking techniques for proof reading text
Send them here as well please. Jean - Original Message - From: Subramani L lsubram...@deccanherald.co.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Seeking techniques for proof reading text You will have to use a different technique to do this. Since I edit (which also includes proof reading), I can share a few tips with you off the list. Subramani -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 10:00 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: [AI] Seeking techniques for proof reading text Hi all, What techniques do you use to proof read text? Do you use audio or Braille? I am in a situation where I need to produce perfect text. I cannot afford even a single error. I use a screen reader namely Jaws for Windows. I do most of my writing in Microsoft Word so use the spelling and grammar checker that comes with Microsoft Office. I also review my documents using speech but I am liable to miss things especially if two words sound alike. Pranav To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] avast
All: I recently upgraded to the latest version of free avast and noticed that the very accessible interface of previous versions has been replaced by a most unfriendly one. I had been considering purchasing the full version but I am having second thoughts now. If anyone has the latest version of the full program, please give some feedback on the accessibility of the interface? This is a most unfortunate development in what otherwise seems to be a good program. I was able to get it set up and working but it was not easy. Jean To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] disability sensus
You said: Caste, religion etc. can't be identified without a certificate, but disability can be identified by the very presence of the person. So, I don't know how and why we want to hide this aspect . What if it is a hidden or invisible disability? The presence of the person would neither confirm or deny the presence of a disability. Jean To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] hidden disabilities
A hidden disability is not one that is hidden from oneself. It is a disability that may or may not be visible to someone else. Disabilities fitting this description can include people with mental disabilities, learning disabilities, some physical disabilities, sometimes a hearing impairment depending on the situation, and those with partial vision who, for whatever reason, don't use a cane. It can also include people with epilepsy, head injuries, etc. Jean To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] netbooks
All: A recent episode of Future Tense described netbooks as under-powered and lacking essential components. They further explain that the typical netbook just doesn't have the ability to perform the tasks needed by the average user in some critical ways. They say that to many compromises have been made to accomodate the small size and low cost. I might still have the mp3 of that show if anyone wants it. I found it quite enlightening as at the time, I was considering purchasing a netbook and decided against it partly due to the information in this program. Instead, I purchased a bluetooth keyboard for my cell phone, and while it certainly doesn't replace what a netbook might be able to do, I find it does most things I need if I am traveling without my laptop. Although my phone is certainly not the latest and greatest, (they become obsolete the day you buy them), anyone considering a netbook could also look at a high-end cell phone that would give even more portability and depending on what you need, just as much functionality. Just my thoughts, Jean To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] netbooks
Hi: Actually, my reference point for purchasing a netbook was based on already having a laptop and not a PC. You are correct though that all the tech is changing so fast it seems like it doesn't matter what we do, next week all the parameters will be different. Jean - Original Message - From: Subramani L lsubram...@deccanherald.co.in To: jean parker radiofore...@gmail.com; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 4:42 PM Subject: RE: [AI] netbooks As a journalist, I need not tell you the way people lobby for or against technologies. I have been a netbook user for the past year or so and I must tell you that it is definitely a fantastic alternative to desktop in many aspects. For instance, you have more than 160 GB hard disk space, which is certainly better than the PC I had purchased five years ago which has just 40 gb. Besides, I have pretty much everything I have on the PC, though we need to revalue if netbook is still a viable option in the post 3G era. Subramani -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of jean parker Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 12:33 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: [AI] netbooks All: A recent episode of Future Tense described netbooks as under-powered and lacking essential components. They further explain that the typical netbook just doesn't have the ability to perform the tasks needed by the average user in some critical ways. They say that to many compromises have been made to accomodate the small size and low cost. I might still have the mp3 of that show if anyone wants it. I found it quite enlightening as at the time, I was considering purchasing a netbook and decided against it partly due to the information in this program. Instead, I purchased a bluetooth keyboard for my cell phone, and while it certainly doesn't replace what a netbook might be able to do, I find it does most things I need if I am traveling without my laptop. Although my phone is certainly not the latest and greatest, (they become obsolete the day you buy them), anyone considering a netbook could also look at a high-end cell phone that would give even more portability and depending on what you need, just as much functionality. Just my thoughts, Jean To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] downloading a map
Rajesh: I don't know if google or nokia maps has this information but my experience is that it is difficult to obtain accurate maps of anything in India whether on paper or not. I understand that some of these maps were produced by the military and are therefore considered as prized possessions by those who have them. The one time when I needed such a map of a rural area, I had to get it from an NGO who had somehow gotten it from the government. Of course it was way out of date but even so I was not allowed to keep it for any period of time which meant I had to have the sighted person who ultimately required the information in the right place and at the right time. I hope things have changed as this was some time back. Jean To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] sound forge 10
I am using version 8 and have used and taught version 10. Shrikanth Bola on this list is using 10, and could perhaps comment. With either version the Snowman scripts help a lot. Jean To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] wayfinder access
So from these comments there is no possibility of this loadstone solution being a viable substitute for Wayfinder. It isn't. So besides signing petitions and so forth, what is being done to attempt preservation of the service in India and elsewhere? According to the man who wrote last week, fifty-six of the petition signers are from India. Are they all on this list? Have any been contacted personally about any plans? Are there any plans? Dipendra, could you weigh in on this please? Jean - Original Message - From: Pranav Lal pranav@gmail.com To: 'jean parker' radiofore...@gmail.com; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 5:51 AM Subject: RE: [AI] wayfinder access Hi Jean, My answers are inline and are prefixed by my initials. snip I find this whole thing most confusing. Are you saying that in order to go anywhere for the first time you have to look it up on the internet? PL] Yes. You need to access the google maps route generator and enter your source and destination and generate the check points file. snip Suppose you are out somewhere and you spontaneously decide you want to go somewhere else you haven't been before. Is there a way to get a route somehow? PL] Yes. You can do the whole route downloading on the phone but it is not easy to do. snip If it incorporates Google Maps, Nokia Maps or whatever, does it also read other information found on these maps? PL] Loadstone does not incorporate google or nokia maps. It just uses these maps to generate output it can use to navigate. snip If a person is standing in a place and wants to know what's around is it possible to get that information? PL] In loadstone yes but it depends on the points you have loaded for that location. snip Is this potentially better than Wayfinder Access because presumably nokia/google maps are more frequently updated? PL] Hard to say. Perhaps yes but things like rerouting are not available using this approach. Pranav To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] knfb reader
Rajesh: There is a setting to get a field of view report before snapping the picture. Also, it takes practice to get good positioning consistently, but you will find with time this becomes easier and faster. I don't have much experience with tables and charts as I don't have to read them that often. Someone on the knfb email list might be better informed about this than I. Also, don't hesitate to give me a call if you want to talk further. I still need to discuss all this gps nonsense with you anyway. Jean Jean To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] wayfinder access
Hi: I find this whole thing most confusing. Are you saying that in order to go anywhere for the first time you have to look it up on the internet? Suppose you are out somewhere and you spontaneously decide you want to go somewhere else you haven't been before. Is there a way to get a route somehow? If it incorporates Google Maps, Nokia Maps or whatever, does it also read other information found on these maps? If a person is standing in a place and wants to know what's around is it possible to get that information? Is this potentially better than Wayfinder Access because presumably nokia/google maps are more frequently updated? Any and all answers are appreciated. Jean - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: jean parker radiofore...@gmail.com; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 10:14 AM Subject: RE: [AI] wayfinder access Dear All, I have been using loadstone for some time and had not ventured into wayfinder ever. So, I can not comment on relative performance of LS viz-a-viz WF. However, I do say that LS can be used effectively with Google maps and a route planned and have it announced on approaching various checkpoints. For this one must visit: http://groute.loadstone-gps.pl go to English and enter starting and ending address. This can be done either in form of gps co ordinates or by naming places, if they are labeled on GM, of course. I prefer the first alternative at least for starting point which may be the home, or any of the landmarks saved in phone. Anyway, we can always note down the coordinates after visiting any place once. Most of the major locations are also labeled in Google maps. So, after finding the route, one can generate a LS checkpoint file and paste it in checkpoints folder of LS. Thereafter, while navigating, one can load a particular checkpoint file and it will announce various points along with turning and distance directions while approaching them. I have found the tool to be effective and easy to use as well as reliable. One can find the route even while on go by connecting to the site by gprs, it costs a few paisa. However, I could not get any success with nokia maps, as they are not accessible. Loadstone site does have a tool to convert nokia maps lmx files into LS compatible ones, but I could not find a nokia map in lmx format. Would be really glad if anybody can guide about it. Regards Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create Him. --Arthur C. Clarke (Rajesh Asudani) Assistant General Manager, Reserve Bank of India Nagpur 09420397185 O: 0712 2806676 Res: 0712 2591349 -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of jean parker Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 12:17 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: [AI] wayfinder access All: In a discussion with our esteemed and dedicated moderator, it became clear that alternatives to Wayfinder Access are necessary. I am wondering if anyone has tried to access Nokia Maps through Loadstone? If so, I would like to know if this is even possible, and if so, how successful it was. Any and all comments welcomed. Jean To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Bank accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] wayfinder access
All: In a discussion with our esteemed and dedicated moderator, it became clear that alternatives to Wayfinder Access are necessary. I am wondering if anyone has tried to access Nokia Maps through Loadstone? If so, I would like to know if this is even possible, and if so, how successful it was. Any and all comments welcomed. Jean To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] drop box
Ok, one more thing. I sent a friend an audio test file and she says it plays but doesn't download. Thoughts? Jean - Original Message - From: Divyanshu Ganatra dngana...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Cc: jean parker radiofore...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [AI] drop box Hi gean and Rajesh, I'm using drop box without any problems for over 3 months now. Here's step by step instruction. Hope it helps. Step 1: install dropbox. it will show up in your system tray. step 2: access dropbox by pressing insert f11 and hitting enter on open. Now inside this you will find 2 folders. photos and public. Copy and paste any file you wish below 2 gb into the public folder and wait for it to upload. you can chekc the status in the system tray. once it has finished uploading the file it will say all files upto date. now go to the dropbox folder either by hitting enter on the desktop icon or by going to the system tray. go into the public folder and navigate to the file you have uploaded. right click on this file, and go down to dropbox. this will open a submenu, and you will find an option copy public link. Hit enter on this link, and paste it into a text editor, or your mail. this will be the link from where one can download the file. Make sure you dont delete this file from your public folder until the person you want to share it with has finished downloading it. you can also access this file from another computer by going to www.dropbox.com and signing in to your account. Note: you need to be online for the files to be updated on the server. Let me know if you have any other specific problem with drop box. I'll be more than happy to help. Divyanshu On 3/12/10, Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in wrote: Same, here. Why has technology always to be counterintuitive? Or else, our intuitions are misplaced!! Regards Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create Him. --Arthur C. Clarke (Rajesh Asudani) Assistant General Manager, Reserve Bank of India Nagpur 09420397185 O: 0712 2806676 Res: 0712 2591349 -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of jean parker Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 12:22 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: [AI] drop box All: Has anyone actually figured out how to use drop box? I got so frustrated with it that I uninstalled it from my computer. I'm happy to put it back if I can actually make it work. Jean To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Bank accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] drop box
Hi All: Thanks to the many people who have responded to my question about drop box. I really do want to use it for several purposes. All of what has been said so far I understand. However, my experience was that I could never tell for sure whether a file was actually uploading properly to the drop box file on the internet. Is there a way to monitor upload progress? The other thing that was confusing was that the folder names in drop box in the computer and the one's on the internet have the exact same names. At the time, I didn't try to change any of those but I am assuming we can change the names, right? Jean To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] drop box
Got it!!! Finally! Well I tell you sometimes I feel as dumb as a post. Ok, I won't say bad things about dropbox anymore hee hee. Thanks again all. Jean - Original Message - From: Divyanshu Ganatra dngana...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Cc: jean parker radiofore...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [AI] drop box Hi gean and Rajesh, I'm using drop box without any problems for over 3 months now. Here's step by step instruction. Hope it helps. Step 1: install dropbox. it will show up in your system tray. step 2: access dropbox by pressing insert f11 and hitting enter on open. Now inside this you will find 2 folders. photos and public. Copy and paste any file you wish below 2 gb into the public folder and wait for it to upload. you can chekc the status in the system tray. once it has finished uploading the file it will say all files upto date. now go to the dropbox folder either by hitting enter on the desktop icon or by going to the system tray. go into the public folder and navigate to the file you have uploaded. right click on this file, and go down to dropbox. this will open a submenu, and you will find an option copy public link. Hit enter on this link, and paste it into a text editor, or your mail. this will be the link from where one can download the file. Make sure you dont delete this file from your public folder until the person you want to share it with has finished downloading it. you can also access this file from another computer by going to www.dropbox.com and signing in to your account. Note: you need to be online for the files to be updated on the server. Let me know if you have any other specific problem with drop box. I'll be more than happy to help. Divyanshu On 3/12/10, Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in wrote: Same, here. Why has technology always to be counterintuitive? Or else, our intuitions are misplaced!! Regards Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create Him. --Arthur C. Clarke (Rajesh Asudani) Assistant General Manager, Reserve Bank of India Nagpur 09420397185 O: 0712 2806676 Res: 0712 2591349 -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of jean parker Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 12:22 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: [AI] drop box All: Has anyone actually figured out how to use drop box? I got so frustrated with it that I uninstalled it from my computer. I'm happy to put it back if I can actually make it work. Jean To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Bank accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] drop box
All: Has anyone actually figured out how to use drop box? I got so frustrated with it that I uninstalled it from my computer. I'm happy to put it back if I can actually make it work. Jean To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] used cassettes
Dear All: At long last, I am preparing to clear out a lot of material that was recorded on cassette. Does anyone know of anorganization that could use the blank cassettes? If anyone still records books on tapes and can use them, please let me know. Jean To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] talks question
Dear All: My question concerns opening an email message with links in it. How can I go from one link to the next without slogging through all the text between the links? Also, how can I search for particular words or phrases within an email message? All help appreciated, Jean To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] email that won't delete?
Never had this happen before. I'm using outlook express. This morning I got an email with lots of photos as attachments. Now I want to delete it but it won't go away! How can I get rid of it? I have tried moving it to another folder, it won't go. I've tried deleting each attachment individually, they won't go. All suggestions welcome and thanks, Jean To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] email not deleting problem solved
In case this happens to someone else. First, I moved all the emails from the inbox into another folder. Then, I went to the dbx files in outlook express and deleted the inbox file. While I was there, I found a lot of out of date dbx files that were taking up space and deleted those as well. Upon re-opening outlook express, the inbox appeared again as before, but without the offending email message. Now all is working normally. Thanks again to all of those who helped. Jean To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] accessibility of relationships
How does a person teach nonpaternalism? To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] accessibility of relationships
Practical and philosophical. - Original Message - From: Pranav Lal pranav@gmail.com To: jean parker radiofore...@gmail.com; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [AI] accessibility of relationships Is that a philosophical question? On 2/24/10, jean parker radiofore...@gmail.com wrote: How does a person teach nonpaternalism? To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] fashion designer
Holy smokes! That's very cool! I know there is a designer somewhere in California that works in leather I think. I think I remember that she was an immigrant to the US from either Iraq or Iran and she is quite successful. The American Foundation for the Blind should be of help in locating her if consultation on the subject is needed. Jean To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] mobile skype
How does it compare with using fring? Also, here is a potentially foolish question. If you want to reply to a specific subject on the list, how is that done? Jean To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] a note about announcements
Oh that's very interesting! Then it doesn't bother everyone at night. The thing is that whatever we recommend should make use of existing technology, for example the mobile phones most people carry these days. What if the existing announcements were also played on a phone system of sorts that you could call and actually hear them? They are already computerized so it wouldn't take much for a simultaneous audio signal to be made available. And, I wonder how many other people would take advantage of it for other reasons besides not being able to see the screens. Jean - Original Message - From: Subramani L lsubram...@deccanherald.co.in To: jean parker radiofore...@gmail.com; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 4:46 PM Subject: RE: [AI] a note about announcements In addition the idea of announcing the arrival of a station through an internal PA system can be a good idea as well. That is what they do in Shatabhdi. Subramani -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of jean parker Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 10:12 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: [AI] a note about announcements All: Regarding the railways draft, there have been several references to announcements made in train stations. I find these announcements almost impossible to hear in the station and therefore, the information they convey is useless. Mostly, they just add to the noise level. Other ways of getting vital information must be available. Is it possible for there to be a phone number we can call while in the station to an office in that same station to get the same information that is being displayed on various screens or displays? Jean To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n Email secured by TPML Electronics To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] train announcements and related matters
Harish: I know the server has been having problems so I want to make sure an exchange between myself and Sabramanian was noted in the railways draft. The overall discussion was that something could be done using simulcasting of the messages that are currently heard on the platform on mobile phones. An internal phone number inside the station could be called by passengers to get the same information that is available on the various screens and displays. They could also learn if trains are late or if platform designations change for certain trains. In addition, sms, (texting) could be used inside the train to notify about upcoming stops or other relevant information thus sparing other passengers unwanted announcements during the night. Since many stations are not well lighted at night, a system like this would benefit many others in addition to blind people. There might be other items in the exchange but these were some main points. This is not to reiterate but simply to ensure these points made it to the list given recent technical difficulties. Jean To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] a note about announcements
All: Regarding the railways draft, there have been several references to announcements made in train stations. I find these announcements almost impossible to hear in the station and therefore, the information they convey is useless. Mostly, they just add to the noise level. Other ways of getting vital information must be available. Is it possible for there to be a phone number we can call while in the station to an office in that same station to get the same information that is being displayed on various screens or displays? Jean To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] weather ap
Vetri: Thanks for the link to the weather program for mobile phones. It works exactly as reported. Very cool! Jean To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
